Tropical Text Message: PT-109 and JFK

The story of how a future president became an unlikely war hero starts with a wooden boat cut in half by a Japanese destroyer in the pitch-black waters of the South Pacific. Despite having a bad back that should have kept him out of service altogether, Lieutenant John F. Kennedy found himself commanding PT-109 in the dangerous waters of the Solomon Islands during World War II.

When disaster struck in the early morning hours of August 2, 1943, Kennedy's leadership abilities truly emerged. After his boat was rammed and split in two, he personally swam miles through shark-infested waters with an injured crewman's life vest strap between his teeth, island-hopped across treacherous stretches of ocean, and ultimately carved an SOS message into a coconut husk that would save his men. For six grueling days, Kennedy and his surviving crew members endured dehydration, starvation, and constant fear of Japanese patrols while stranded on tiny Pacific islands.

The most remarkable part of this harrowing survival tale involves two brave Solomon Islanders, Biuku Gasa and Eroni Kumana, who risked their lives paddling Kennedy's coconut message 35 miles through enemy waters to reach Allied forces. Without their courage, Kennedy and his men might never have made it home. This coconut would later sit on Kennedy's desk in the Oval Office, a humble reminder of where his journey to leadership truly began.

What makes this story so compelling is Kennedy's modest response when later asked how he became a war hero: "It was involuntary. They sank my boat." The experience revealed the true character of the man who would become America's 35th president—not through political calculation but through raw courage and unwavering commitment to his fellow sailors. This incredible chapter of Kennedy's life demonstrates how leadership emerges not from privilege but from how one responds when everything goes catastrophically wrong.

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John F. Kennedy and PT-109

https://www.jfklibrary.org/learn/about-jfk/jfk-in-history/john-f-kennedy-and-pt-109

John F. Kennedy and PT Boat 59 by hparkins,

https://prologue.blogs.archives.gov/2012/09/24/john-f-kennedy-and-pt-boat-59/

The Solomon Islanders who saved JFK By Rob Brown BBC World Service

https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-28644830

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:23):
I would be okay if you never did that again Into
the microphone.
You can do it, did that againInto the microphone.
You can do it elsewhere, justnot into the microphone and
we're off.
Oh hey there.
Oh, hey, there, How's it going,kate.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
Good, I was just told I can't whistle anymore.

Speaker 1 (00:40):
I didn't say you couldn't whistle, just not into
the microphone.
Hey, we're the history buffoonsand I'm kate the whistler I'm
bradley the non the non whistlerno, the annoyed, it's like an
old-timey like you read me in abook brad the Annoyed.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
I've been the terrible and Bradley the Annoyed
.

Speaker 1 (01:05):
Yeah, exactly, both had a Never mind.
How's it going today?

Speaker 2 (01:12):
It's going well, excellent, yeah, it was actually
a pretty good week for me onthe massage end of things.

Speaker 1 (01:21):
Oh, that's good.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
Yeah, saw some good people, did some good work, I
think.

Speaker 1 (01:28):
Well, if anyone needs to think it, it's at least you.
Yeah, because it doesn't reallymatter what everyone else
thinks at that point, I guessnot.

Speaker 2 (01:38):
Unless they don't come back.

Speaker 1 (01:39):
Well, I don't know.
From what you tell me, you seemto get people to sign up quite
often.
I mean often.
You know what I mean by that.
Yeah, but they seem to be.
You have a lot of repeatclients.

Speaker 2 (01:55):
I love my clients.
They're all so great, for sure,yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:58):
Weed out the bad ones , keep the good ones.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
I'm not going to say I've never done that, and moving
on.

Speaker 1 (02:05):
So, I'd like to report that my job is good.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
Okay, so I did not come up with a question for
today's episode.
So, you're going to talk aboutthe drinks that we have, and I'm
going to come up with aquestion for you.

Speaker 1 (02:20):
Okay, well, let me reach.
So we are doing something alittle different.
I hope I don't regret this, butwe are going to drink a
Cutwater, tiki Rum, Mai Tai, andthe whole reason why we're
drinking this is because it'sgot flavors of coconut in it,
which I was told I requested.
There's coconut in the story.

Speaker 2 (02:42):
Yes, there is a coconut.

Speaker 1 (02:43):
I do like coconut.
It's not that I'm not a fan.
Just don't know if I'm gonnaenjoy this beverage well, it is
a seltzer right that's what Idon't think.
This is a seltzer tiki rum mytype.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
Oh, it's a 12.5.

Speaker 1 (02:59):
Yeah it's got holy shnikes.
It's got some.
Holy shnikes, it's got someballs to it.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
It's made with a real two plus shots of real rum, yep
, but it's gluten-free Fuckingthank.

Speaker 1 (03:11):
God For my celiac friends.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
Okay, an Island Escape real rum featuring a
blend of our award-winning rumswith notes of pineapple, coconut
and citrus, garnished with apineapple wedge to tap into tiki
.
I didn't buy pineapple for this, but it was made in San Diego

(03:35):
that's what it said.
I guess, it doesn't matter,let's open this up.
Can I tell?

Speaker 1 (03:42):
you a quick story.
Can I open it up?
I was expecting you to while Itold you a quick story.
Can I open it up?
I was expecting you to while Itold you this.
Okay, great, I guess I don'thave to.

Speaker 2 (03:49):
No, tell me.

Speaker 1 (03:50):
I was working at a grocery store a long time ago
and a lady came up to me andasked me where the glutton free
aisle was.
I said it was right next tosloth.

Speaker 2 (04:04):
Okay, cheers.
So okay, this is what thebottle or the can looks like.
Okay, so cut water.
Tiki rum, mai Tai with coconutoh, I can smell it.

Speaker 1 (04:16):
I can.
It's not very coconutty.

Speaker 2 (04:22):
That's tasty.

Speaker 1 (04:22):
It's not bad.

Speaker 2 (04:23):
For a canned mixed beverage.

Speaker 1 (04:25):
I was going into it thinking it was a seltzer.

Speaker 2 (04:27):
That was same part of my problem.

Speaker 1 (04:28):
It's not a seltzer, it's definitely not a seltzer,
thank god, because I just Idon't like seltzers I'm not a
seltzer person.

Speaker 2 (04:34):
Okay, that wasn't bad .
No, not at all.

Speaker 1 (04:36):
I like tonic, I don't like seltzer, but anyways so I
still don't have a question foryou you were supposed to come up
with that while I was talkingabout it, and then you
commandeered my conversationwith the camera.
You are distracting.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
What yeah?
Never yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:52):
First time.

Speaker 2 (04:52):
Yeah, no, what you said, yeah first.

Speaker 1 (04:54):
Sucker.

Speaker 2 (04:56):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (04:57):
What.

Speaker 2 (04:57):
Has your dad ever bailed you out of anything Like
a bad grade or not making a team?

Speaker 1 (05:10):
or failing something.
Did he ever bail you out onanything?

Speaker 2 (05:11):
not in that aspect?
Is there another aspect that hewould have bailed you out?

Speaker 1 (05:14):
yeah, jail, I'm just kidding, but it worked, didn't
it?
Um my, my last marriage.

Speaker 2 (05:26):
He bailed you out of your last marriage.
Yeah, Basically.

Speaker 1 (05:29):
Yeah yeah, he helped me get through that monetarily.
Yeah yeah, my parents bailed meout.

Speaker 2 (05:34):
My my parents helped bail me out um over over COVID
um in order for us to, theyhelped us buy a house.

Speaker 1 (05:41):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:42):
Yeah, yeah.
So we're going to talk aboutJackie boy.

Speaker 1 (05:46):
Jackie boy.

Speaker 2 (05:47):
Jackie boy.
Do tell about Jackie boy Jack,he is the rip the rookie skipper
.
Jack the rookie skipper.
Jackie boy the rookie skipper.

Speaker 1 (05:56):
Why is it so close to Jack the ripper?

Speaker 2 (05:59):
It was unplanned.
Unintentional was unplanned,unintentional, unintentional,
okay, okay, let's talk aboutjackie boy.
Jackie boy was born may 29th1917 near boston mass, boston,
massachusetts I don't know howthey speak not like.

Speaker 1 (06:16):
It's not like that my apologies um he was?
He was one of nine fucking kidsthat is a lot of kids and, yeah
, that's probably how they gotthe nine.
They were fucking.

Speaker 2 (06:29):
Nine kids, hell of no , no thanks.

Speaker 1 (06:31):
I mean two was I jokingly tell Vesper that I was
good with one and I love mydaughter.
But nine holy balls, that's alot, that is way too many yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:42):
Yeah.
So Jackie boy had some majorback problems as a kid.
He had scoliosis that soundsterrible.
He had football injuries etcetera, and he wanted to join
the US in the war.

Speaker 1 (06:56):
Okay, so in the World War IIs, mm-hmm.

Speaker 2 (07:00):
Okay.
So he was able to join the USNavy through the help of Captain
Alan Kirk, who is the directorof the Office of Naval
Intelligence.

Speaker 1 (07:10):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (07:12):
And he had been the naval attaché in London.

Speaker 1 (07:16):
What's an attaché?

Speaker 2 (07:18):
Assistant.

Speaker 1 (07:20):
Is that really what it is?
I don't know.
You're making shit up, is thatreally?

Speaker 2 (07:23):
what it is.
I don't know, you're makingshit up.
He was the naval attache inLondon when Jackie Boy's father
was the ambassador.

Speaker 1 (07:30):
So they were born in London, or that's just where
they were stationed.

Speaker 2 (07:34):
His father was an ambassador in London, but he was
born and raised in the UnitedStates.
But his father was just anambassador.
Where was he born?

Speaker 1 (07:43):
in the United States, boston.
Oh, that's right.
Yeah, I'm sorry, I mixed thatup in my brain.
That's okay, it happens.

Speaker 2 (07:49):
Yeah, you do it a lot , so we're talking a lot of a
bit of nepotism here.
There's some nepotism.

Speaker 1 (07:57):
So he was a nepo baby .

Speaker 2 (07:59):
Jackie boy was a 4F.
So he couldn't he wasn'tallowed to be in, so he's like
Steve Rogers, yeah, steve Rogers.
From.

Speaker 1 (08:08):
Captain.

Speaker 2 (08:09):
America.

Speaker 1 (08:10):
The first Avenger.

Speaker 2 (08:11):
He was denied entry into the US Navy until his
father got involved.

Speaker 1 (08:15):
Oh, dear, seems like.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
And it's because of his back injuries and his
scoliosis.

Speaker 1 (08:19):
Well, I mean, can you blame him for not accepting him
for that?

Speaker 2 (08:22):
Yeah, so so in 1942, Jack wanted to command a fast,
flashy PT boat.

Speaker 1 (08:30):
So he would have been 25 at this point.
Yes, he's young.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
A PT boat is a patrol torpedo boat, correct, but his
back was an absolute mess andthe Navy wasn't exactly thrilled
that he was going to becommanding, but daddy pulled
some more strings.
Well, you know Is that he wasgoing to be commanding, but
Daddy pulled some more strings.

Speaker 1 (08:48):
Well, you know Is that an idiom to pull strings?
I believe it is.
Yeah, Hold please, Sip, sip.
This is way better than Ithought it would be Same, and
the fact that it's 12 and a halfis holy balls.

Speaker 2 (09:01):
Holy balls.
I even have a backup a freshcoast from three sheeps.

Speaker 1 (09:05):
I have a backup.
Uh, Sierra Nevada, rad littlething.
Yeah, I'm excited for that.

Speaker 2 (09:11):
Okay, so Papa edited, fabricated, lied, bluffed,
hoodwinked Jack's medical workrecords bamboozled, bamboozled I
love that word.
Um jack passed training inchicago and rhode island and
then he got his first pt boat,commanded the first pt boat pt
101 well, it sounds like acourse in college.

(09:33):
Yes, um, and that was in late1942 okay but it was stuck in
the panama canal, which reallydidn't have any action, and that
that's where Jackie Boy wantedto be.
He wanted to be in the action.

Speaker 1 (09:47):
Oh, okay, I thought you meant he wanted to be where
there is none.

Speaker 2 (09:51):
Gotcha Jack called in some more favors.

Speaker 1 (09:53):
Oh Jesus.

Speaker 2 (09:54):
Christ, this time from a senator.
And voila, he was shipped tothe South Pacific, where things
would get a little bit moreexciting and potentially fatal.

Speaker 1 (10:03):
Did he come across the Sullivan brothers?

Speaker 2 (10:07):
Six months ago or before.
It was either six months beforeor six months after.
I looked it up and I don'tremember.

Speaker 1 (10:15):
High quality podcasting right there.

Speaker 2 (10:16):
I know, but they were six months apart.
Okay, Okay.
So Jack finally gets into theaction in April 1943.

Speaker 1 (10:23):
Right.

Speaker 2 (10:23):
Heading to the Solomon Islands to command PT
Boat 109.

Speaker 1 (10:28):
Oh Okay.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
It was a fast wooden boat, wooden Wooden, with a crew
of 12.

Speaker 1 (10:36):
That's not very many.

Speaker 2 (10:37):
It's a widow.

Speaker 1 (10:37):
So 12, including Jack Jacky boy.

Speaker 2 (10:40):
Yeah, no, I think yes , he's number 12.
Okay, yeah.
So, jackie boy?
Yeah, no, I think yes, he'snumber 12.
Okay, yeah.
So what the heck is it?
Is it deep?

Speaker 1 (10:50):
I think she's having a seizure.
Folks, we might have to pausefor some medical assistance.
Holy shit, what was that?

Speaker 2 (10:58):
Wow, what exactly is a PT boat?

Speaker 1 (11:02):
I think I did have a stroke, oh my God, I think I had
have a stroke.
Oh my God, I think I had one.
Watching that, I think I mighthave to put a trigger warning on
this video.

Speaker 2 (11:11):
Holy land.
Okay, pt boat, speedboat withan attitude, a wooden speedboat
with an attitude.
Pt stands for patrol torpedo.
They are about 80 feet long,made of wood and can hit about
40 plus miles an hour.

Speaker 1 (11:27):
All right.
So if PT stands for patroltorpedo, what does boat stand
for?
Boat?
Okay, carry on.
Every time I think of a woodboat, I think of Indiana Jones,
where they get chopped up andthis random wooden boat explodes
between two others.
How did a wooden boat explode?
But anyways.

Speaker 2 (11:46):
I mean, it is not fire retardant.

Speaker 1 (11:50):
I was told you didn't like that word.
I couldn't pass that up,anyways.

Speaker 2 (11:58):
Anyway.
So they were armed withtorpedoes, machine guns.

Speaker 1 (12:04):
Did they have tubes?

Speaker 2 (12:06):
And depth charges.

Speaker 1 (12:08):
Yes, which I've.
We've gone over that yes,actually twice.

Speaker 2 (12:13):
Depth charges.
Yeah, so it's meant to harasslarger enemy ships like
destroyers and cruisers?
Okay, it's built for speed,sneak attacks and hit and run
missions.

Speaker 1 (12:26):
Um, not for like comfort or durability is that
part of the reason why they werewood?
Because they were lessdetectable?

Speaker 2 (12:32):
yeah, they, they actually called it the mosquito
fleet I was gonna say that wereyou.

Speaker 1 (12:37):
Yes, I didn't even know that that's so cool.
Were you?
Because I'm like, because yousaid they were made to annoy.

Speaker 2 (12:43):
Basically, I'm like it's like a fucking mosquito.
Yes, it's called a mosquitoface small test and annoying as
hell that's so funny.

Speaker 1 (12:49):
Yes, look at me, go look at you, I got something
right without even knowing, huhimagine that mark calendars.

Speaker 2 (12:54):
First time for everything so the solomon
islands were.
So if, if you recall a mapnorth of australia, yes, if
you've got a map and you're innorth of Australia, I do now.
Is Papua New Guinea.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
The Solomon Islands are just to the east of Papua
New Guinea, right Near Mama NewGuinea.
I'm just kidding, keep going.

Speaker 2 (13:13):
Kiddo, New Guinea actually.
Uncle New Guinea and in 1943,it looked like paradise out
there oh I bet Lush jungles,white sandy beaches, crystal
clear water.
But no, it wasn't.
It wasn't great.
It was a mirage For alliedtroops.
It was humid oh I bet it wasdisease ridden nightmare

(13:35):
swarming with mosquitoes and mud.
Yeah, and Japanese patrols.

Speaker 1 (13:40):
Oh, those are the worst kind of bugs.

Speaker 2 (13:41):
Yes, the islands were a key battleground in the
Pacific.
Oh, those are the worst kind ofbugs.
Yes, the islands were a keybattleground in the Pacific,
with constant naval squirmishes,squirmishes again, air raids
Not skirmishes.
And jungle fighting.
I'm just going to keep going.

Speaker 1 (13:54):
Please tell me you did that on purpose.
Skirmishes.
You didn't do that on purpose,did you?

Speaker 2 (14:00):
Okay, so the Solomon Islands were a gold mine?
Oh, so they had gold in them.
Hills, oh Jesus.
If Japanese controlled them,they could threaten Australia,
which was one of our key allies.
They could disrupt alliedshipping routes between the US
and the South Pacific and itcould build air raids to launch

(14:22):
more attacks deeper into Alliedterritory.

Speaker 1 (14:24):
Right.

Speaker 2 (14:26):
If we want, if the Allies want the Solomon Islands,
it would let the US push Japanback towards the home islands.

Speaker 1 (14:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (14:33):
Secure island hopping towards Japan Ooh.

Speaker 1 (14:36):
I like island hopping .

Speaker 2 (14:38):
And protect Australia and New.
Zealand.

Speaker 1 (14:40):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (14:41):
Okay, so we fought for the Solomons, because
whomever held them control thePacific chessboard right.

Speaker 1 (14:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (14:49):
And Jack, you boy.
He ended up smack dab in themiddle of it.

Speaker 1 (14:54):
I'm so glad you caught that.

Speaker 2 (14:55):
In a boat made of plywood.

Speaker 1 (14:57):
This is second episode in a row you had smack
dab, Smack dabble by August.

Speaker 2 (15:04):
Jack and his crew are patrolling the pitch black
waters to stop Japanese ships.

Speaker 1 (15:09):
Okay, okay.

Speaker 2 (15:10):
The PT-109 missions were usually at night, okay, in
near total darkness, trying toambush these Japanese ships
Right and sneaking throughnarrow straits.

Speaker 1 (15:22):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (15:22):
Okay, the big problem is with these pt boats.
The torpedoes were garbage ohreally, how come I don't know
that seems like a misstep okayso early world war two torpedoes
ran too deep right missedentirely or straight up, just

(15:45):
failed to detonate like it wasjust just a poor design, yeah
that would suck.

Speaker 1 (15:53):
I can see, especially depending on what they were
launched from, how they could gotoo deep yeah which makes sense
.
Obviously, if they don'tdetonate, that's a huge fucking
problem, because that's justkind of floats down in the water
, um.
But yeah, so how on a, on a p?
I don't know if you came acrossthis at all on a pt boat then

(16:15):
how did they have liketraditional torpedo tubes that
they shot them out of?
I mean, how did they do that ona wooden boat?

Speaker 2 (16:20):
I don't know if they had torpedo tubes torpedo tubes
that keeps coming back I'll havea picture of a pt boat but I
didn't go into like the designof the boat for this story.

Speaker 1 (16:33):
Yeah, I mean it would have been helpful, but that's
okay, I'm kidding I'll get hernext time.

Speaker 2 (16:39):
oh, we're learning folks.
So PT-1 and I was one of 15small fast PT boats sent out to
mess with the Tokyo Express, thenickname the US gave the
Japanese regular nighttimesupply runs to troops rather
than farther up the island, sothat's what they called it the

(17:01):
Tokyo Express.
You got there up the island.
So that's what they called it,the torpedo or, excuse me, the
tokyo express you got.
so the goal was to ambush theconvoy, blow up some ships,
maybe delay the the japaneseresupply missions okay but when
the pt boats actually ran intothe tokyo express, three
japanese destroyers loaded withsupplies and an escort, things

(17:23):
didn't quite go as planned.
Sure, the us boats, the 15 ofthem, yeah launched 30 torpedoes
and hit nada, oh my god theydidn't hit a single thing, not
even a scratch they're in quitea cold streak, like in baseball
uh, they need to shave theirmustache off all uh
ortiz tell people who ortiz, ishe's our?

Speaker 1 (17:48):
oh, I think he mostly plays shortstop now right, joey
ortiz yeah, joey ortiz, right,yeah, now I'm second guessing
myself.
He plays for the burrs yeah,shortstop for the burrs.

Speaker 2 (17:59):
He's he, he looks, he's a good looking guy I'm kind
of I'm kind of glad he got ridof the mustache when he doesn't
have the mustache, but he's agood looking guy.

Speaker 1 (18:05):
I'm kind of glad he got rid of the mustache.
When he doesn't have themustache he's a better looking
guy, because that was a littlegoofy.

Speaker 2 (18:09):
Apparently he shaved his mustache because he wasn't
doing well, and it was all asuperstition thing.

Speaker 1 (18:13):
Yeah, I went to the game on Wednesday and his
picture up on the board stillhas the mustache.
It's kind of funny, but anyways.

Speaker 2 (18:21):
Okay.
So once the 15 boats torpedoeswere spent, some of the boats
were sent home.

Speaker 1 (18:29):
Okay, I suppose I mean, what use are they?
Yeah, if they don't have anymore A few of them, like the
PT-109.

Speaker 2 (18:34):
Yeah, jackie, boys.

Speaker 1 (18:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:36):
Stuck around in the dark hoping for another shot.
Okay, Okay, so August 1stthrough the 2nd 1943.
Okay, the PT-109 is creepingalong.
Oh, super slow.
I was like yeah that was alittle fast, super slow, to
avoid detection, right, oh, allright.

(18:58):
The research I found this fromsaid it's basically ghost
boating.

Speaker 1 (19:08):
It's like silent running, like in a submarine.

Speaker 2 (19:11):
Silent running.

Speaker 1 (19:12):
You've never heard that term before.
Uh-uh, is that?

Speaker 2 (19:14):
an idiom.

Speaker 1 (19:15):
They're rigged for no , it's a thing.
They're rigged for silentrunning.

Speaker 2 (19:20):
They say it in Star Trek too.
I don't know Star Trek verywell.

Speaker 1 (19:23):
I'll say you did, it's okay.
It was Star Trek 4, 6.
The Undiscovered Country Goodmovie.

Speaker 2 (19:33):
I watched the first one and wish I hadn't.

Speaker 1 (19:35):
The very first like original one.
Uh-huh, that one's terrible.

Speaker 2 (19:38):
I know.

Speaker 1 (19:39):
If you're going to watch the original series, watch
the even numbers.

Speaker 2 (19:43):
That's what I've been .
I think you told me that.
Actually, I think I've seenwrath of khan and then I've I
watched the reboot, but anyway,anywho.
So right after 2 am, a massiveshadow looms over the pt boat.
2 am okay august 2nd.

Speaker 1 (20:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:02):
The Japanese destroyer Amagiri comes
barreling through the darknessand bam.

Speaker 1 (20:10):
Ran into it yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:12):
The Amagiri slams into PT-109 at full speed oh
shit and cuts it in half in like10 seconds.
Well, yeah.
Get this.
The destroyer's so big itdidn't even realize it hit a
boat I'm sure it didn't.
It was like literally hitting amosquito yeah, the japanese
captain was probably like did wejust hit a log?
And jackie boy's like um hey,that was me where's the other

(20:37):
half of my ship?
So the destroyer smashed intopt 109 near the front torpedo
tube.
Hey, there's a tube.

Speaker 1 (20:46):
So there is one.

Speaker 2 (20:47):
There is a tube.
I wrote it on a tube.

Speaker 1 (20:49):
Because I mean, I know there's ways of launching
torpedoes without a tube.
I don't know what those are offthe top of my head, but besides
, oh dear, that was loud.
Pretty sure I had that silenced, but okay.

Speaker 2 (21:05):
Brandon says rock on.
Brandon, yeah, Brandon, yes yougave us the rock on symbol.
Thanks.

Speaker 1 (21:11):
Brandon.

Speaker 2 (21:13):
Okay.
So the destroyer smashed intoPT-109 near the front of the
torpedo tube on the right side,tearing off a huge chunk of the
boat.

Speaker 1 (21:22):
I bet.

Speaker 2 (21:23):
The impact flung Jackie Boy around the cockpit
like a freaking rag doll andmost of the crew got tossed then
into the water.
Sure, below deck engineerPatrick McMahon, who comes in a
little bit later, somehowsurvives the explosion, but he
was badly burned by ignitionfuel, like 70% of his body.

Speaker 1 (21:45):
Oh shit, yeah, all right.

Speaker 2 (21:47):
So worried that the boat was about to explode,
explode.

Speaker 1 (21:53):
Explode, that is so great.

Speaker 2 (21:57):
Jack told the guy still on the wreck to abandon
ship Right.
So the destroyers wake, so thewaves that the ship makes
afterwards.
I had to look that up, you hadto look up what a wake was yeah,
I mean, I've heard it plenty oftimes and I thought I knew what
it was, but I had to confirm,and I did right before we
pressed record and did.

Speaker 1 (22:16):
Did you know that?
Well, you're correct.

Speaker 2 (22:18):
Yeah, okay, yeah yeah um but the destroyer's wake
helped spread out the burningfuel.

Speaker 1 (22:24):
Sure Makes sense.

Speaker 2 (22:25):
And when the flame started to die down, Jack called
the crew back to the floatinghunk of boat.

Speaker 1 (22:30):
Okay, okay.

Speaker 2 (22:32):
So from there, he and his crewmates tried to figure
out where the rest of the menwere.

Speaker 1 (22:37):
And there's 12.

Speaker 2 (22:39):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (22:40):
I feel like I could put the claps in there.

Speaker 2 (22:43):
There it is, um.
So from there he and hiscrewmates tried to figure out
where the rest of the men were.
Some did manage to swim back ontheir own, Okay, but Jack
personally swam out to rescueMcMahon who was 70% of his body
was burned and he towed him byhis life vest with a strap in

(23:12):
his teeth, oh god and swam backon his own, so he's like pulling
him by a strap that'simpressive by the skin of his
teeth.
That's an idiom.

Speaker 1 (23:17):
I know it's on the list.
You already gave it to me lookat me go so from.
There um.

Speaker 2 (23:27):
So he regrouped on the wreckage, he did a head
count.
Two men were gone, probablykilled on impact.

Speaker 1 (23:33):
I would imagine, yeah , I mean the fact that no one
would have been killed on impactwould have been fucking
impressive.
Yeah, with a fucking destroyer,was it?

Speaker 2 (23:41):
yeah, it was a destroyer.
Yeah, that went With thislittle plywood boat.

Speaker 1 (23:45):
Yeah, exactly.
No, I'm surprised they onlylost two people, to be honest.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
So the rest were beat up, burned, sick from fuel
flames, running on adrenaline,desperation I get tongue
twisters.
Okay, no, but there were nosigns of rescue.
There was a big enoughexplosion that other pt boats
were like they assumed it wasgone yeah, they're like there's

(24:13):
no survivors with that one right, which was not true.
Well, you know, but also theydidn't want to like you can't
fault them for thinking that,though no, the explosion and
everything you're.

Speaker 1 (24:24):
You're probably like, well, they're fucked, let's uh
move along and save our own skin, kind of thing and they can't
like light off a flare becausethey're in japanese territory
essentially because you'regiving your your position away
then.

Speaker 2 (24:37):
So yeah, yeah so 12 hours adrift, by morning of
august 2nd, pt 109 was stillfloating, but barely so we're,
so this must have happenedaugust 1st into august 2nd.
Okay, my bad gotcha, um, but itfinally rolled over and
capsized okay, okay the crewknew they had the move.

(24:59):
Obviously they have nothing tohold on to.
Yeah, after weighing theiroptions idiom, weighing their
options I know they decided toswim for a tiny islet about 3.5
miles away.
No food, no water, no idea whatthey'd find, just hope, and
Jack's busted up back leadingthe way.

(25:21):
Okay, so Jack finds this islandis a deserted island and it's
called Plum Pudding Island andit is on the map I looked.
It is called Plum Pudding.

Speaker 1 (25:34):
Plum Pudding Island.
Who the fuck named an island,plum Pudding Island?

Speaker 2 (25:51):
island.
But despite jack's injuries, heagain takes mcmahon's strap,
towed him for five hours, oh mygod, as the crew kicks and
paddles alongside towards theisland.
So they're all swimming this3.5 miles and he's towing this
guy by his teeth.

Speaker 1 (25:59):
That's impressive like I am not a strong swimmer
by any stretch of theimagination.
I didn't learn how to swimuntil I was, I think, 11,
actually by this guy we went toschool with.
He was my oldest brother'sfriend.
He taught us at Pewaukee Lake,but I am a weak fucking swimmer.
I am too.
I could not tow somebody fiveminutes, let alone five fucking

(26:22):
miles.
I mean holy shit, that'simpressive, yeah, especially
with a fucked up back.
I mean, I got a fucked up back,but that's from age, not from
scoliosis or whatever.

Speaker 2 (26:30):
Yeah, so holy shit yeah, so the men called plum
pudding island bird islandbecause of the guano that coated
all the bushes.
Bat guano, yeah, no, bird guanois that the same thing?

Speaker 1 (26:45):
yeah, is that what you call?
I mean bird droppings.
I guess I've never heard scrap,scrap, scrap, scrap, kitty cat
poop, poop.
What is happening right now?

Speaker 2 (26:57):
the island was about 100 meters wide.
Nope, 100 yards wide.
300 feet, 100 yards wide, solike a football field, uh-huh
holy shit, teeny tiny.

Speaker 1 (27:08):
That is a tiny fucking island it was teeny,
tiny, cheers exhausted.

Speaker 2 (27:12):
Jackie boy had to be helped up to the beach by the
man he had towed.
Oh, I bet he's like thanks fortelling me.

Speaker 1 (27:18):
Let me help you well, I mean, he's asking for very
little at this point from whathe just did.

Speaker 2 (27:23):
And he collapsed and completely exhausted.

Speaker 1 (27:26):
Well, can you blame him?
No, I mean, he's got a shittyback.
He just swam five fucking mileswith this dude with a strap in
his mouth, towing this guy, andthat was a great face 12.5%.
Cheers to that.
I got through mine.
Now I'm on a seven percenter.
Anywho, that would be.

(27:47):
Yeah, he's gonna be fuckingexhausted, especially just
you're waiting out in water.
For how long?
Until you even got?
To the 12 hours before youstarted swimming and five miles
and swimming, that's not likeit's a five-minute fucking swim
either.
So, yeah, he's going to fuckingcollapse.

Speaker 2 (28:05):
So he spotted Jackie.
Boy spotted a Japanese bargecruising uncomfortably close and
Jack made the decision that hewould swim out to Ferguson
Passage.
Now, this passageway was abouttwo and a half to three and a
half miles wide.
Nope.

Speaker 1 (28:24):
How did they know?
How did they know the way?

Speaker 2 (28:25):
okay, um, this is all after the fact the names are
all after the fact.
I'm joking but it was about twoand a half to three and a half
miles away from the island thatthey got to so he had to swim
back another three he swam a lot.
Holy shit, no kidding so umthis, the so the route that
American PT boats took thisstraight, this passageway, and

(28:48):
so Jackie boy was hoping to goout there and wave down an
American ship.

Speaker 1 (28:52):
He's like the fucking Michael Phelps of World War II.
Yes, jesus Christ, yes.

Speaker 2 (28:58):
So there's a couple little islands here that jack is
um near, so he swam from islandto island cleaning to reefs um
until he reached the fergusonpassage.
Wow okay, that's impressivethere he treaded water for over
an hour hoping to spot anamerican pt boat, but there was
no dice, okay, and it was likelythat they were fighting

(29:21):
somewhere else.
So he swam, swam back, and thatswim nearly killed him Right.
There were strong currentstossing him around like a cork
in a blender.

Speaker 1 (29:33):
I've never heard that .
I don't think that's an idiomeither.

Speaker 2 (29:36):
I made it up.

Speaker 1 (29:37):
I think you did.
I made it up Cork in a blender.

Speaker 2 (29:39):
And it was spinning him out into the blackett strait
, which?
So if the island is here, theferguson passage is here, the
straight is here and it goes inbetween islands.
Okay, um so, um, then it keptlike dragging him back from the
straight into the fergusonpassage and and the island was

(30:02):
to the left and there was just,the straits were just, or,
excuse me, the, the currentswere just super strong and it
just, it nearly killed him.
Exhausted, he stopped at leorarva.
Oh, there's a new arrival forbradley on netflix can you stop
reading my notifications?

Speaker 1 (30:21):
jesus christ, can you hit the mute button on there?

Speaker 2 (30:25):
I don't know, can I?

Speaker 1 (30:26):
No, nope, all right, hold please, jesus Christ.

Speaker 2 (30:36):
Okay, so he stopped at Leorava Island.
Yeah, leorava Island.

Speaker 1 (30:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (30:44):
Just southeast of Bird Island where he crashed and
slept off the near drowning.
I can really feel this alcohol.

Speaker 1 (30:53):
I can tell you can feel this alcohol.

Speaker 2 (30:55):
He eventually made it back to Bird Island and
collapsed again, vomitingseawater before passing out.

Speaker 1 (31:03):
Wasn't this P island.

Speaker 2 (31:04):
Bird island is plum pudding island yeah, what they
call it.

Speaker 1 (31:06):
They call the bird island because they didn't know,
right, yeah why would they?
Yeah who again?
Who names an island?
Plum pudding, fucking island sojackie boy made his crewman
george ross yeah promised to trythat same route the next night
so to try to find an americanwas gonna do the same thing, yes

(31:27):
, yes okay makes sense.
I mean if they know thatamerican boats patrol there,
whatever, go through across.
Whatever you want to say, Imean, yeah, stick to the plan,
kind of thing.

Speaker 2 (31:41):
So okay, makes sense so ross did give it a shot, but,
like Jack, he saw zero PT boats, just a lot of ocean and a lot
of disappointment.
Okay, right, so by now thecrew's morale is pretty low.
Some men are praying, othersare bickering.

Speaker 1 (31:58):
They're what Bickering.
There it is.
It sounded like you saidbrickering, brickering.
I thought you said bickering,but I just wanted to confirm.

Speaker 2 (32:05):
But Jack refused to give up and he's like I'm going
to think this out.

Speaker 1 (32:10):
Did he call Daddy?

Speaker 2 (32:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (32:12):
Just kidding.

Speaker 2 (32:14):
I mean, I see why you got that I mean that's where he
got that.

Speaker 1 (32:16):
I see why you got that Dad, daddy, help me.

Speaker 2 (32:32):
so, dad, so there's a larger island nearby called
olasana.
Olasana, okay, and he's likewell, maybe there's, there's
food and less chance of enemypatrols there.
Right, the island isn't thebiggest around, like based on
the map.
Because, like, I was superconfused when I'm looking at the
map because I like a visual oflike where everything takes
place there is a really largeisland nearby, but they choose

(33:17):
not to go to the larger islandbecause this old asana that they
saw was closer to the fergusonpassage, which is where the us
boats were.

Speaker 1 (33:25):
Oh yeah, that makes sense, because at least they
don't have to swim as far out,kind of thing.
Yes, exactly, that makes senseso jack moves his crew.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
They swam against a strong current and once again
jackie boy told, told mcmahon byhis laugh, laugh, laugh, that's
fucking a life that's life vest.

Speaker 1 (33:42):
Fucking A Life vest.
That's just insane that hekeeps doing this.
Seriously, it's like how I knowit.
I could not fucking do that.
I mean think of the strain onhis teeth.
Hopefully he had a good dentist.

Speaker 2 (34:03):
So Olasana Island turned out to be a little bit of
a let down of course so muchdifferent between the fresh
coast and the Mai Tai.

Speaker 1 (34:17):
Holy crap, but it's delicious that was again a lot
better than I anticipated samewe got a four pack and I'm
pretty sure we're gonna wellwe'll drink that off.
This is um again.
I've never had this particularsan nevada, so I'm pretty
excited about it.
It's pretty fucking good.
Good, yeah, it's.
It's a west coast hazy, so alittle, a little different than

(34:39):
normal, but I like it awesome.

Speaker 2 (34:42):
I like my fresh coast , but I've had that before on
this channel, but that's alsowhy you're feeling a little
different than Modelo's.

Speaker 1 (34:47):
for a change, I was.
It was good.

Speaker 2 (34:49):
So, olisana?
Yeah, there were some coconutshere, oh my God the coconuts are
in the story.
But eating too many of themmade them, some guys, kind of
sick.

Speaker 1 (35:05):
Well, because it's like a lubricant for the system,
if you will in a way.
Yeah, yeah, no fresh water onthis island.

Speaker 2 (35:09):
Oh, that's also a bad thing.
Yeah, and even worse.
Everyone was a little bit toospooked to be um they're too
spooked to be square they're toospooked to potentially be um I
believe in you.
Words are hard they were toospooked by japanese patrols

(35:29):
right to explore beyond.
No like a like a small junkpatch of jungle on this island
they're like yeah, we're notgonna they don't.

Speaker 1 (35:38):
They don't want to give their position away.
They don't, obviously, becausethey're literally trapped on
this fucking island.
They don't know what's aroundthem.
They can't contact anybody fromour side there could be
japanese um right axes on the onthe island as patrol.
They have no idea.
They have no idea.
So no, I get it.
They don't want to give theirposition away, so they're kind

(35:58):
of keeping to a small,tight-knit area.
At least it's not like theThunder Punch, it's blowing up
everywhere.

Speaker 2 (36:07):
They just filled it so full they're like we're going
to give you your money's worth.

Speaker 1 (36:11):
We had some extra ones.
I did take care of them, all ofthem.
There was two.
I had to catch up.
You've had a lot more ThunderPunch in your life than I have.

Speaker 2 (36:24):
Not much to be honest .

Speaker 1 (36:26):
Definitely more than two cans.

Speaker 2 (36:27):
By the time I was able to drink at 21,.
I was moving out of Nebraska at22.

Speaker 1 (36:33):
Yeah, I know.
So let that math sink in.
She drank before she was 21.

Speaker 2 (36:39):
No, I said 20.
I was actually 20, probablywhen I I was.
I was a pretty good kid wasthat before 21?
Okay was my statement correcton the night of august 4th it
brought cold rain and just jackdecided they'd try to move again
the next day were they tryingto go to a different island or

(37:01):
on the same island?
Another island closer to theFerguson Strait, God how many
fucking islands are there aroundthis?

Speaker 1 (37:08):
There's a lot.
Is there really there's?

Speaker 2 (37:09):
actually quite a few.
Oh wow, yeah, I would say 15plus.
Holy shit really.
Yeah there's a lot of islands,quite a cluster, the ones that
they are on.
There's three different onesthat they have, and Jackie Boy
probably has a fourth one, maybea fifth one.
And why did he go with jackieboy?
Oh, I'll tell you later.

Speaker 1 (37:27):
Okay, good, because I'm really fucking curious as to
why that is his, his name,nickname are you sure it's his
nickname or his actual?
Name.
I mean, I have three last names, so whatever maybe it's spelled
b-o-y-E, it's not.
I know.

Speaker 2 (37:43):
So Jack decided they'd move again, this time to
the final island in the chain.
Okay, so we've got Plum Pudding, then we've got Olasana and
then we've got Also aka Bird.
Yes, and then we got NauruIsland.

Speaker 1 (38:02):
Nauru N-A-R-U.

Speaker 2 (38:03):
And that is the island that overlooks the
Ferguson Passage where all thepotential American PT boats come
through.

Speaker 1 (38:11):
Nauru is the closest they can get to the Ferguson
Passage.
Yes, Okay gotcha.
So he and George Ross, hisother crewmate, made landfall a
little afternoon on August 5thTo me it just really seems weird
that they're swimming and theymade landfall a little afternoon
on August 5th.
To me it just really seemsweird that they're swimming and
they made landfall.
I feel like you have to be in aboat or a ship to do that, okay
.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
I get you Okay, so they're creeping, and so I creep
, they're creeping into the bush, and then they keep their heads
low.
They're worried about runninginto enemy patrols.
You know groundhog style.

Speaker 1 (38:44):
I kind of thought it was like a periscope.
I mean, it's a little morefitting for what we're talking
about.

Speaker 2 (38:48):
but either way, but instead of trouble they found a
wrecked Japanese boat on a reef.

Speaker 1 (38:55):
Did they get to duel with people?

Speaker 2 (38:56):
Well, better yet.

Speaker 1 (38:57):
Oh shit, Was there food?

Speaker 2 (38:59):
There was a small box labeled in Japanese sitting on
the beach.

Speaker 1 (39:03):
Did they know how to read Japanese?

Speaker 2 (39:05):
They cracked it open, oh shit, without reading it.

Speaker 1 (39:08):
Why wouldn't?
There could have been a plaguein there.
Japanese candy oh fucking A.
What kind of candy?

Speaker 2 (39:14):
I don't know, bradley , jesus Christ.

Speaker 1 (39:18):
Superstar.

Speaker 2 (39:20):
Japanese candy.
Oh my, that is a welcome sight.
I don't care how hungry you are.

Speaker 1 (39:26):
It doesn't matter.
It doesn't fucking matter.
It could be molasses cookiesfrosted.
It could be candy.

Speaker 2 (39:35):
Molasses cookies with frosting from festival is
chef's kiss.
Did you say festival Festivalthere it is Chef's kiss.
I might have to edit Festivalthere it is Chef's kiss.

Speaker 1 (39:44):
I might have to edit some of that.
Not a paid endorsement, no,they're fucking delicious,
anyways.

Speaker 2 (39:56):
Japanese candy.
Okay, so they were onlydrinking coconuts and vomiting
seawater at this point.

Speaker 1 (40:05):
So they're like Japanese candy.
Let's do it.
If they're drinking coconuts,weren't they getting water from
that?
That would be fresh water.

Speaker 2 (40:11):
It's like coconut water.
It's not true water.

Speaker 1 (40:15):
I understand, but that's better than seawater,
it's not enough.

Speaker 2 (40:18):
It's also not enough.
It's still better than seawaterWell yeah, they're not drinking
seawater.

Speaker 1 (40:33):
They're vomiting seawater because they
accidentally swallow it whenthey're swimming.

Speaker 2 (40:36):
Why are you having so many strokes today?
Do we need to call thephysician?
Like I said, 12.5% and it'sempty.

Speaker 1 (40:40):
Why are you bringing up the past?
It's already done.
No, it doesn't sound empty,jesus.
That's already done.
No, it doesn't sound empty,jesus, that's a short.
Did you spill too, good Lord?

Speaker 2 (40:58):
Oh my gosh, do you know what a what are you?

Speaker 1 (41:01):
doing I'm cleaning myself.
Oh my God, there's a time and aplace, kate.
Okay, do you know what thepirate's favorite letter is?

Speaker 2 (41:11):
The C.
You told me this one before.
Yes, it's not R, it's the.

Speaker 1 (41:17):
C R.
You might think so, but it'sreally the C Anyways.

Speaker 2 (41:24):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (41:26):
I got to stop telling you jokes, so you don't ruin it
, okay.

Speaker 2 (41:30):
On-a-roo.

Speaker 1 (41:32):
On-a-roo, na-roo, on-a-roo Okay, I got it.
Space, yeah, on-a-roo.

Speaker 2 (41:39):
Spaces are important Japanese candy.
Yes, Spaces are importantJapanese candy.
Just up the beach theydiscovered a tin of drinking
water and a one-man canoe tuckedinto the bushes.

Speaker 1 (41:49):
How do they know it was one man?
You couldn't fit two people inthere.
Are you sure?

Speaker 2 (41:55):
I mean, if they're freaking tiny maybe.

Speaker 1 (41:59):
They're Japanese.
What kind of question is that Avalid one.

Speaker 2 (42:02):
Are you sure?

Speaker 1 (42:03):
I'm pretty positive.

Speaker 2 (42:07):
Hmm, after a After, after grabbing a drink of that
precious 12.5%.
Precious water.

Speaker 1 (42:17):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (42:19):
Jack and Ross are headed back to the beach when
they spotted two islanders nearthe wrecked Japanese boat.
Yes, I said it Two islanders,pacific Islanders yes, my buddy,
al, is a Pacific IslanderHeritage.

Speaker 1 (42:37):
Oh, yeah, yeah, where at Shout out.

Speaker 2 (42:38):
Al Solomon Islands, pacific Islands, I don't fucking
know Marshall.
Island, bird Island, al.

Speaker 1 (42:40):
Solomon Islands, pacific Islands, I don't fucking
know.

Speaker 2 (42:43):
Marshall Islands.

Speaker 1 (42:46):
Bird Island Plum Pudding.
Maybe.
Maybe Al's descendants are fromPlum Pudding Al.
Let me know.
Yeah, Inquiring minds want toknow.

Speaker 2 (42:54):
So these two men were just digging out canoes through
enemy waters, they werebarefoot, they were dodging
patrol boats Right Doing casualwar hero stuff and jack called
out and he's like the, the, the,the, the, the, the, the can you
say that one more time?
Holy shit jack called out andthe islanders were like is he

(43:21):
friend or is he foe?
We don't know.
Well, how would they?
Let's be real, we're going tobail.
Everyone looks sketchy.
We're just going to bolt rightFull paddle, full paddle, full
paddle.

Speaker 1 (43:36):
Is it like full throttle?

Speaker 2 (43:39):
Okay, that night Jack took the canoe, the one-man
canoe, and made yet another soloattempt through the.
Ferguson Passage looking for anAmerican PT boat.
Still no luck, of course.
So he decided to head back toOlisana Island, so not Nauru,
where Ross is, where theIslanders were.

Speaker 1 (44:00):
It's just him and Ross with the Islanders.
And the rest are still back atAnaru.

Speaker 2 (44:07):
No, anaru.
I know it is confusing becausethere's a lot of islands.
All the crew is back on Olisana.

Speaker 1 (44:15):
Okay, ross and Jackie Boy went to Anaru, and that's
where they found the twoIslanders who bolted.
Okay, okay, okay, I got it.
Jackie Boy then went into theFerguson Passage, didn't see
anything.

Speaker 2 (44:24):
Went to Nauru and that's where they found the two
islanders who bolted.
Okay, okay, okay, I got it,jackie Boy, then went into the
Ferguson Passage, didn't seeanything.
Then he went back to Olasana,where the crew is.

Speaker 1 (44:31):
So did he just leave Ross on.

Speaker 2 (44:33):
He did.

Speaker 1 (44:34):
Why.

Speaker 2 (44:35):
It was all like Planned it was all well and good
yeah.

Speaker 1 (44:39):
That still seems kind of like a dicky thing to do.

Speaker 2 (44:41):
But on the way he went to Nuru he grabbed the can,
he grabbed the water stash andhe brought all of that to the
crew Did he bring the candy.
And Olasana yes.

Speaker 1 (44:51):
What kind of candy was it?

Speaker 2 (44:53):
I don't know, so much island hopping.
So when Drac got back toOlasana, surprise these two
islanders were there.

Speaker 1 (45:05):
How'd they get there without their one-man canoe?

Speaker 2 (45:08):
How did the two islanders get there?
So there was a canoe on theisland that Jackie Boy had Stole
.

Speaker 1 (45:14):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (45:15):
He stole it.
The islanders had their own.

Speaker 1 (45:23):
So it wasn't their canoe.

Speaker 2 (45:24):
Correct.
So the Islanders bolted, whichmakes sense because Jackie Boy
stole a one-person canoe.

Speaker 1 (45:30):
There was two of them .

Speaker 2 (45:31):
Yes, couldn't be theirs, so they had their own
Sheer numbers.
So the two Islanders went toOlisana because they were
looking for coconuts.
They wanted food, and JackieBoy was like I'm going to pick
up all this candy and this freshfruit and I'm going to move
from Nauru to Olisana.
And that's where they all metagain.

(45:53):
Turns out, the two islanderswere cool Byuku Byuku, byuku
Gasa.
Byuku Gasauku Gasa age 20 oh,pretty young and Aroni Kumanana,
ku Kum Kuman Kumana Kumana,there we go don't these sound

(46:15):
like very Hawaiian-ish names?

Speaker 1 (46:16):
they kind of do.
I mean, I'm not like trying tobe like weird about it yeah,
they kind of do they remind meof Byuku Gasa and trying to be
like weird about it.

Speaker 2 (46:23):
Yeah, they kind of do .
They remind me of biuku gazagaza and erone kumana, who is
age 18 so 2018.
They were native scouts workingfor the allies.
No shit, yes.
So kumana himself recalledyears later, at um the moment,
that he met the survivors, thecrew.
Yeah, he said, quote some ofthem cried, some of them came

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and shook our hands.
When Jack saw us, he ran andembraced us.

Speaker 1 (46:53):
How did they learn that they were allies, though
Did they speak English?

Speaker 2 (46:58):
Not, I mean maybe a little bit.

Speaker 1 (47:00):
Okay, but not a whole lot Enough to communicate
something.

Speaker 2 (47:04):
Yeah, something.

Speaker 1 (47:05):
Because they were obviously able to communicate.

Speaker 2 (47:07):
Yes, yes, but it wasn't a lot of English.
I can tell you that.

Speaker 1 (47:11):
Believe you me.

Speaker 2 (47:11):
So the two fled Nauru quickly from Jack and Ross and
stopped at Olasana because theywere worn out and thirsty and
they stopped for coconuts andthat's when they ran into the
rest of the crew.

Speaker 1 (47:23):
Gotcha.

Speaker 2 (47:24):
So they're like hey, these people aren't japanese,
they're very tired, verysunburned and very american very
white yeah, very white, verywhite, but sunburned, yeah.
So the next morning, on august6th, jack returned to naru with
gaza, gaza and Kumana, andbummed into Ross who happened to

(47:47):
be swimming back to OlisanaHoly fuck, I know he was like
I'm sick of like staying here bymyself.

Speaker 1 (47:54):
I don't want to wait no more, I'm going to go back.

Speaker 2 (47:57):
Holy shit.
So they like picked him up andthey're like hold on, dude, dude
, we got you.

Speaker 1 (48:01):
Because holy fuck so much swimming.

Speaker 2 (48:03):
Yes, there's a lot of swimming, oh my God.
So Jack didn't know how to geta message out.
Sure, but Gaza had an idea.
Okay, okay, he's the20-year-old.
Scratch it into a green CanCoconut.

Speaker 1 (48:18):
Oh, why a green one?

Speaker 2 (48:22):
I don't know, because that?
Why a green one?
I don't know, because that'swhat's available.
There was no brown onesavailable.
Why?
Why the questions hey?

Speaker 1 (48:35):
I'm here to ask well, what do they say on?
Like new, we asked the toughquestions.
Fucking local news commercialsare the worst Fucking dumb.
Okay, anyways.

Speaker 2 (48:47):
So Jack decided yes, green coconut.

Speaker 1 (48:50):
Green coconut.

Speaker 2 (48:52):
First tropical text message ever.

Speaker 1 (48:56):
Tropical text message and do you have exactly what it
said?
Yes, okay, thank God.

Speaker 2 (49:02):
It says Nauru ISL, so Nauru Island Can't hear.
Commander Native knows.

Speaker 1 (49:12):
Native knows.

Speaker 2 (49:13):
Yeah, let me just say it from start to finish here.

Speaker 1 (49:14):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (49:16):
Nauru ISL Commander Native knows, post it.
He can pilot 11 alive.
Needs small boat jack.
That's what it said.
Why didn't it?
Say jackie boy so naru island,where we are.
We're on the island of naru gotthat commander, this is for a

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commanding officer, someone incharge, this, this is for you.
Sure, native knows post-it.
The island excuse me, theislanders know our exact
location.

Speaker 1 (49:52):
That's what that means those two do.

Speaker 2 (49:54):
but are they exactly islanders?
He can pilot.

Speaker 1 (49:58):
Who can?

Speaker 2 (49:59):
That was the message.
He can pilot, meaning islanderscan guide a rescue boat here.
Okay 11 alive.
There are 11 survivals totalWith Jackie.
Boy, number 12.
Need small boat.
I thought two died, 12 were onthis island.

Speaker 1 (50:22):
Because you got the two other guys that showed up.

Speaker 2 (50:24):
Yeah, yeah neat small boat, send some, aka send
something small to pick us up.
Big ships can't get through thereefs because these islands are
actually full of reefs aroundthem.
They're super close, super yeah, if you look on google maps oh,
I'm good right now you can seelike how much shallow the waters

(50:47):
are up to a point, the depth inthe water and then Jack sign,
Jack okay that was his message.

Speaker 1 (50:59):
I feel like he should have been dad send help.

Speaker 2 (51:03):
I need your help, daddy.
Okay, so then Gassa and Kumanapaddled 35 miles 35?
, holy fuck Acrossshark-infested Japanese
patrolled waters in a dugoutcanoe with nothing but guts,
paddles and coconut mail.

Speaker 1 (51:23):
How many knots were they going?

Speaker 2 (51:26):
Bradley Kate.
Okay, we're talking about 35miles in a wooden canoe during
wartime.

Speaker 1 (51:36):
That's fucking insane .

Speaker 2 (51:38):
And they're working for the Allies.

Speaker 1 (51:39):
I don't want to go 3.5 miles, let alone 35 miles in
a canoe Holy balls.
Although I would, let alone 35miles in a canoe Holy balls.
Although I would like to takeXavier in a canoe, that'd be fun
.

Speaker 2 (51:49):
So the Japanese were notorious for using the locals
as target practice, because thatwas rude.
That was rude, and if they hadbeen caught with such a message
on the coconut, it could havebeen a death sentence,
essentially.

Speaker 1 (52:02):
Right.

Speaker 2 (52:03):
So, still desperate for rescue, jaguar insisted on
taking Ross back into theFerguson Passage in their
rickety two-man canoe.
But rough seas kind of did themin.
The canoe got swamped and thetwo were beaten up by the waves.
And they barely made it back toNauru Island, which is the one

(52:24):
closest to the straight thepassage bail, bail out of the
canoe, or did they make it backwith the canoe?
they made it back with the canoe, but they bailed with the canoe
, sure no, I get it so the nextmorning, august 7th, august 7th
yes, eight islanders showed upon Nauru just after Jackie Boy

(52:46):
and Ross woke up.

Speaker 1 (52:49):
Okay friendly or foe friendly, friendly, friendly.

Speaker 2 (52:53):
They came with food and a message from Lieutenant A
Reginald Evans.
Reginald Evans okay an alliedcoast watcher that was hidden
nearby who had received thecoconut message.
So how close nearby was he hewas in a very large island, but

(53:14):
still small comparatively so letme get this straight though
they carve all this into acoconut and they just go here
water no, they.
They sent it off with gaza andkumanu.
Oh, and gaza and kumanu.
I didn't put that together forsome reason oh, okay, okay okay

(53:35):
I guess now that you bring thatup.

Speaker 1 (53:36):
Yes, you did say that on my apologies, because it's
like message in a bottle.

Speaker 2 (53:41):
Where's it gonna end up?

Speaker 1 (53:42):
yeah, that's what I was just gonna say message in a
bottle, but it's like they tookit straight to some like an
allied base where they knew so,because those two knew the area
better than, obviously, thesurvivors of the pt boat.
Take this with you.
Yes, find what you can.
Yes, ally.
Yes so thank you for helping us.

(54:03):
Okay, yes, yes, yes, I got you.

Speaker 2 (54:05):
So the message was received by Lieutenant Reginald
Evans.

Speaker 1 (54:10):
Right.

Speaker 2 (54:10):
He was an allied coast watcher nearby in a larger
island Right Off the BlackettStrait.
Blackett Strait.

Speaker 1 (54:18):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (54:19):
And he coordinated a rescue.
So after a quick stop onOlasana, so like the middle.
So there was a Plum Island,Olasana, and then Nauru, so
Olasana is the middle one wherethe crew is.

Speaker 1 (54:31):
Let's not cut down Plum Pudding Island.
You called it Plum.
Let's get its full name.
It deserves to be shouted fromthe rooftops Plum Pudding.

Speaker 2 (54:40):
So after a quick stop at lasagna to deliver crew for
the rest, or deliver food to therest of the crew.
Yes, the islanders hid jackieboy under the pile, a pile of
palms why, like a covert all opand paddled him across the
blackett straight to gamu islandgamu now yes I looked up gamu

(55:02):
island, okay, and the onlyreference I could find was that
it was in anime.

Speaker 1 (55:08):
Like Japanese anime yeah.

Speaker 2 (55:11):
So it is not.
It doesn't have.
There's no island in theSolomon Islands called Gamu uh
Gomu Island.

Speaker 1 (55:19):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (55:20):
But upon further research, it's just like this
little, tiny blip of an islandthat's not even named on google
earth.

Speaker 1 (55:28):
Gotcha, it's not even named, okay so maybe it was uh
just given that name once new asgamu island, or either way,
yeah, that's fine so, after sixdays after PT-109 was sunk, jack
finally set foot on GAMU tomeet with Lieutenant Evans.

(55:50):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (55:50):
Okay, the rescue still had to be arranged, but at
least the worst is overessentially it was in process.

Speaker 1 (55:59):
Basically, yeah, okay , yeah.

Speaker 2 (56:02):
So Lieutenant Evans had already reported the
survival of the PT-109 crew tohis commander, who planned to
send a rescue team directly toOlisana Island.

Speaker 1 (56:11):
Right.

Speaker 2 (56:13):
But Jack wanted to be picked up first and help guide
their way to Olisana.

Speaker 1 (56:18):
He wanted to be part of the rescue mission, or did he
just want to be picked up firstI'm just saying I'm kidding to
be part of the rescue mission,or did he just want to be picked
up first?
I'm just saying I'm kidding.

Speaker 2 (56:24):
So late on the night of august 7th, pt-157 and pt-171
arrived at the rendezvous point.
They were supposed to exchangea signal for gunshots.
Jackie boy's revolver only hadthree bullets left, so he
literally had to borrow a riflefrom evans.

Speaker 1 (56:47):
I mean jesus christ, that's give me another one, give
me another one shit.
I said four, I need another gun.

Speaker 2 (56:53):
Stat so he got this um rifle from evans for the
fourth shot, but he wasn'texpecting the kickback and he
like fell into like, fell intothe ocean.

Speaker 1 (57:03):
He fell into the ocean.

Speaker 2 (57:04):
He fell into the ocean.
He was fucking annoyed andirritated, can?

Speaker 1 (57:09):
you blame him.
Holy shit, that's funny.

Speaker 2 (57:12):
But he finally boarded the PT-157 to approach
Olasana in the early hours ofAugust 8th.
Okay, okay so.
Pt-109, early hours of august8th.
They're all asleep.
Jack started yelling to wakethem up yeah and they didn't

(57:33):
exactly thrill the rescue teambecause they're like no shit,
jack, shut the fuck up.
There's Japanese around.
Stop yelling.

Speaker 1 (57:43):
I just thought, oh, I'm tired man, don't wake us up.

Speaker 2 (57:47):
So luckily, the rescue went off Without a hitch.
By 5.30am the men were safelyback At the US base On Rendova
Island, which is approximately37 miles southeast Of where they
were At Olisana Island.
Wow, okay, so it's an evenbigger island.

Speaker 1 (58:06):
Like I said, many a lot, a lot of islands, obviously
some small, some bigger, ofcourse, island chain if you yes,
yes, exactly, okay, did youhave a question?
No, without a hitch idiom yesall right, let's do it good job,
not right now, but yeah, let'sdo it so what happened to jackie
boy after the rescue?

(58:27):
I'm curious to find out,because you're you promised I
would know why his name isjackie boy he didn't go home he
didn't cash in.

Speaker 2 (58:36):
He got patched up, grabbed a fresh boat and went
back out on patrol good for him,him Back and all.
And that was just who Jack was.

Speaker 1 (58:47):
He just wanted to be, he was the American man.
He wanted to be something forhis country and even though he
had some issues that technicallyshould have held him back, he's
like fuck that man no, he's ahero well, I mean, yeah, he was
a little battered, a littlebruised he was scoliosis kind of
held together with stubbornnessand seawater and band-aids

(59:09):
either way, yeah but he was likeI'm still kicking.

Speaker 2 (59:11):
I got this, bro, let's keep fighting yeah yeah,
yeah, and that's exactly whathappened, um, but his body
actually gave out before hiswill did, oh dear.
He was sent back to the us,where his back pain became a
lifelong battle well, I mean,seemed to be already lifelong,
but yeah, okay and his story ofthe coconut carving crew saving

(59:36):
island hopping.
You know, marathon Swimmingepic Started to take on a line
of its own Life of its own, nota line of its own.

Speaker 1 (59:47):
How many fucking miles did he?

Speaker 2 (59:49):
swim, jesus Christ.
That's just impressive.

Speaker 1 (59:53):
Seriously, I mean, I applaud you, jackie boy.
I could not even fucking fathom, holy shit.

Speaker 2 (01:00:02):
So a journalist from the Reader's Digest?

Speaker 1 (01:00:06):
Not the Reader's.

Speaker 2 (01:00:07):
John Hershey wrote it up.

Speaker 1 (01:00:09):
Was he from Pennsylvania?
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
I know Hershey chocolate.
Jack was awarded the Navy andMarine Corps Medal for his
courage and leadership and apurple heart for his injuries
and leadership that a boy,Jackie boy, and a Purple Heart
for his injuries.
Well.

Speaker 1 (01:00:24):
I mean his back was already injured, Additional
injuries.
Jesus Christ, Calm down.

Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
But he was also somewhat a little
self-deprecating because peoplecalled him a hero Right and
people would ask him how did youbecome a war hero?
And his response would alwaysbe quote it was involuntary,
they sank my boat end.
Quote he's not brilliant, he'snot wrong, it was involuntary,

(01:00:52):
they sank my boat.

Speaker 1 (01:00:53):
He didn't.
I mean I'm not saying he didn'twant to become a hero, he was
doing what he was supposed to doand that's what he's saying
there, which is pretty fantastic, because there's a lot of
people that'd be like yes.

Speaker 2 (01:01:04):
I did this.

Speaker 1 (01:01:05):
Look at me and my heroism Right, but he just was
doing what he was supposed to doand he adapted to what happened
to him, and so on.

Speaker 2 (01:01:14):
And Jackie Boy never bragged about it but his crew
bragged about him.

Speaker 1 (01:01:19):
Which is awesome.
Yes, and that shows you a signof actually a good leader, right
leadership when no one isfucking watching.
Yeah that's who jackie boy washe did what he was supposed to
do, even though, again, he wasnot supposed to fucking be there
.
And, yes, he got help fromdaddy he.
He proved that he should havebeen there.
Yes, by his actions.

Speaker 2 (01:01:42):
So who was Jackie Boy ?

Speaker 1 (01:01:44):
He was the captain of PT-109.

Speaker 2 (01:01:49):
Score John F Kennedy.

Speaker 1 (01:01:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:01:53):
You knew that I knew it.
You fucker, you fucker, are youfucking kidding me?

Speaker 1 (01:02:01):
Nope.

Speaker 2 (01:02:02):
That's so fucking rude.
I thought I had you the wholetime.

Speaker 1 (01:02:06):
No, so it took me a minute.

Speaker 2 (01:02:10):
How?
What gave it away?

Speaker 1 (01:02:12):
I knew he was marooned or whatever you want to
fucking call it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:17):
I had no idea he was marooned.

Speaker 1 (01:02:19):
You never knew that about him.

Speaker 2 (01:02:20):
No, want to fucking call it.
I had no idea he was marooned.
You never knew that about him.
No, recently I read the kennedymen or something yeah, because
we did.
We had mentioned that.
Oh so fucking rude.
We did the uh.

Speaker 1 (01:02:32):
Fake it next time, will you we did the rosemary
kennedy lobotomy a while backand you wanted you had mentioned
how you wanted to basicallylisten, to read up on whatever
you want to call it.
Uh, more, more of them, becausesome of them were, well, quite
douchey oh my gosh, his fatheris douchey joe, right joe is so

(01:02:53):
douchey.
Um, but no that, john, jackieboy, I'm so upset that you knew.
It took me a minute.
I thought I did well, no, youdid very good, and the more you
went on about it, I'm like WorldWar II, jackie.

(01:03:15):
I'm like, yeah, I'm pretty sureI know what this is.

Speaker 2 (01:03:20):
Son of a bitch.

Speaker 1 (01:03:20):
It's a great story, nonetheless.

Speaker 2 (01:03:23):
But great job knowing yeah, because I wouldn't have.
I did not know this was a thinguntil I read that book, so you
never heard that he wasbasically stranded before Never
Okay.
Yeah, so good on you.
That's fantastic, but yes,jackie Boy is future president
John F Kennedy.
Yep, he was the Fantastic, butyes, jackie Boy is president,
future president John F Kennedy.
He was the 35th president ofthe United States, once paddled

(01:03:46):
under a canoe.
On a canoe, under palm ate,half-rotten coconuts carved an
SOS message into a green coconuthusk to save his men.
I never knew he had scoliosisbefore he actually men.
I never knew he had scoliosisbefore he actually.
Yes, so he had scoliosis.
He also had addison's disease,but when he was playing football

(01:04:09):
in like high school, I believeit was, he was either high
school or college he injured hisback even more so it what's the
word I'm looking for?

Speaker 1 (01:04:19):
it expanded his injury it escalated, so that
coconut is it in a museum?

Speaker 2 (01:04:28):
yes, it was cased in resin oh really and the
underside of it is cased in wood, so it's like wood with resin
over the coconut, and it sat onhis oval office desk did it
really?
The entire time he waspresident?

Speaker 1 (01:04:42):
oh, that's cool.
Yeah, he should have beenpresident for four more years
until some ci operative orwhatever conspiracy you want to
go with shot him so yep, yepyeah it's honestly probably one
of the wildest how I got herestories.
Oh my god yeah, because I mean,obviously, after that he went
into politics and you know hewasn't just I'm going to go for

(01:05:03):
president.
He was things prior to that.

Speaker 2 (01:05:06):
He was conditioned to do that by his father.

Speaker 1 (01:05:08):
Well, joe, he wanted his children to have a political
career, obviously, and hesteered him in that direction.
I guess you would say but no,steered him in that direction.
I guess we'll say but um, no,he I mean again, I am not well
versed on all the presidents ofthe united states of america,

(01:05:29):
but I think he was a pretty goodpresident from what I remember
and what I've read and I'm notagain, I'm not extensive on his,
what, everything he did, butyou know, it's really too bad.
It would have been nice to seewhat he could have done with
another four years butsupposedly a lot of people
didn't like that, so so byukugaza and aroni kumana

Speaker 2 (01:05:49):
yeah they were actually invited to jfk's
inauguration, oh really.
But some fucking britishofficial was like you don't
speak enough english, oh fuckyou, fuck you To go British.

Speaker 1 (01:06:02):
What the?

Speaker 2 (01:06:02):
fuck.
So they didn't get to go.

Speaker 1 (01:06:04):
Why did a British official get to fucking
determine that I don't know whatthe fuck, what's his name?

Speaker 2 (01:06:12):
I know you didn't know Jackass In 2002.

Speaker 1 (01:06:17):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (01:06:18):
Max Kennedy, son of Robert Kennedy and nephew of JFK
, traveled to the SolomonIslands and met both Gaza and
Kumana.

Speaker 1 (01:06:31):
They were still alive .

Speaker 2 (01:06:32):
They were still alive .

Speaker 1 (01:06:33):
What year was this?

Speaker 2 (01:06:33):
Nearly 60 years later .

Speaker 1 (01:06:36):
Oh, so early 2000.

Speaker 2 (01:06:38):
It was 2002 when they went 2002.

Speaker 1 (01:06:39):
Shit.

Speaker 2 (01:06:40):
When Gaza and Kumanaana saw max, they broke
down into tears.

Speaker 1 (01:06:44):
It's they're very open islanders.

Speaker 2 (01:06:47):
They're very like emotional and they broke down
into tears and they all just hadlike no speeches, they were
just hugs and emotion.
That's so cool, I know, andalmost a little bit like closure
for these men.

Speaker 1 (01:07:03):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:07:03):
But Byuku Gaza passed away on November 23rd 2005.
At the age of 82, just one dayafter the 42nd anniversary of
JFK's assassination, I was goingto say that's very close, so
okay.
And Aronu Kumana died on August2nd 2014 at the age of 93 at

(01:07:28):
his home in Western Province ofthe Solomon Islands.

Speaker 1 (01:07:31):
Before I forget, there's nothing to do with this
story.

Speaker 2 (01:07:34):
Can I end the story?

Speaker 1 (01:07:36):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (01:07:37):
That is the story of Jackie Boy and JFK and the PT
one on nine.
Okay, now you can go.

Speaker 1 (01:07:44):
Congratulations, jackie boy.
You did good, good things, goodthings, yeah, I don't remember
so being this a world war twostory.

Speaker 2 (01:07:56):
Yes.
I can't resist sometimes.

Speaker 1 (01:08:00):
No, and that's fine, I like them.

Speaker 2 (01:08:04):
I just don't want every story to be world war ii,
that's all I'm saying I know Iwent.

Speaker 1 (01:08:08):
I mentioned earlier that I went to the brewers game
on wednesday yes there was.
They like to bring up amilitary person and honor them
yeah world war ii guy.
Yeah, he just celebrated his100th birthday, not that long
before.
Amazing, so he would have been,if I remember right, because
well, 100 years ago, 25 he was18.

(01:08:30):
I don't remember his ah, damnit, I don't remember his rank
anymore, but um, but yeah, sothey honored a world war ii guy
at the brewers game on Wednesday.

Speaker 2 (01:08:39):
That's awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:08:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:08:41):
So we actually read a book.
I listened to a book.
You listened to the book, yeahit was super fucking good.
Yeah, and it's a World War IInovel.

Speaker 1 (01:08:58):
They characterized it as a narrative nonfiction novel
.
So it's real, but real, but asread, as a story kind of fashion
.

Speaker 2 (01:09:03):
It's so good, so I do want to give a shout out to
this.
It's called tailspin and it isby John Armbruster.

Speaker 1 (01:09:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:09:11):
And um, on Goodreads it's a 4.7 out of five and on
Amazon it's a 4.8 out of five.

Speaker 1 (01:09:20):
And the cool.

Speaker 2 (01:09:20):
Thing is Great, great book.

Speaker 1 (01:09:22):
It was a great book, it was a good listen, honestly.
Well, you had told me about it.
You had already started it.
Like, hey, I started this book,you might like it too.
So I started it and I'm like,with what I do for work, I am
able to listen to podcasts andbooks and stuff all the time.
So she told me about it.
I started it on a Monday andshe's like, how are you liking

(01:09:44):
the book?
I'm like, oh, really good,where are you at Chapter 14.
Like, holy shit, I'm only onseven.
So like I blew past her on it,but I get to listen to it more
often than she can with what she?
Does.
But one of the cool things Imean I'm born and raised.
Kate lives here now but thecool thing is is the author's
from Wisconsin.
The the person he wrote itafter is from Wisconsin.

(01:10:05):
There's other people that hemet throughout this journey that
are from Wisconsin that arementioned.
So it was.
It was really well written.
It was really cool.
Um, I rather enjoyed that book.

Speaker 2 (01:10:16):
That was one of the better books I've.

Speaker 1 (01:10:18):
I've listened to read whatever you want to call it in
the in the recent past.
It was really, really, reallygood.

Speaker 2 (01:10:24):
And um me coming up with this um story about JFK and
being marooned on this Islandcame from the book the Kennedy
men 1901 to 1963.
So it's literally about Joe JoeJr, jfk Ted.

Speaker 1 (01:10:42):
Was it a little bit of Robert?

Speaker 2 (01:10:44):
Robert, it's about all of them.
I don't think I actuallyfinished it because it started
getting boring.
No offense, but I first heardabout this story through that
book, so it was by.
I closed it down before I evensaid lawrence lemur l-e-a-m-e-r

(01:11:07):
lawrence lemur that was the bookwell, yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (01:11:11):
I like the story good .
I'm sorry that I did guess itwas it's okay.

Speaker 2 (01:11:17):
I guarantee you some of our listeners will not know
until the end.

Speaker 1 (01:11:20):
Well, good old Jackie boy, Jackie boy Spelled B-O-Y-E
.

Speaker 2 (01:11:25):
Boy, what's up?
Boy, I just came up with that.
I was like, how can I just notmake it just Jack?

Speaker 1 (01:11:34):
Yeah, that was weak I was going to say.
But no, that book Tailspin,give it a listen, Read if you
are so inclined.
Oh my gosh it's so great it waswritten very well for a
first-time author.
Yeah, he goes over that in thebook.

Speaker 2 (01:11:49):
He's a history teacher in high school in rural
Wisconsin and he really did notget out of the park with that
book he did fantastic.
Hey look, another idiom not getout of the park with that boat.

Speaker 1 (01:12:02):
He did fantastic hey look another idiom not get out
of the park.
Hey, hi-yo, it's very baseballrelated.
Yeah, go Brewers.

Speaker 2 (01:12:07):
You too.

Speaker 1 (01:12:08):
Yeah, so, anyways, hope you guys enjoyed the
episode.
Yeah, well, I suppose.
All right, buffoons, that's itfor today's episode.

Speaker 2 (01:12:21):
Buckle up, because we've got another historical
adventure waiting for you.
Next time Feeling hungry formore buffoonery, or maybe you
have a burning question or awild historical theory for us to
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Speaker 2 (01:12:51):
Remember, the buffoonery never stops.
I'm going to go to bed.