Defenseless Joy | Wisdom Dialogues @ Bullhead City | November 15, 2025 - Hope Johnson's Wisdom Dialogues

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SPEAKER_00 (00:06):
Aloha and welcome to Wisdom Dialogues with Hope
Johnson coming to you fromBullhead City, Arizona.
And if you're watching thisvideo, this uh the photo in the
background is a good depictionof Bullhead City, Arizona for

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me.
River and casinos.
There's also beautiful mountainsand clouds, apparently.
A lot of my family lives here.
My mom lives here, and herhusband, and my aunt, my mom's
sister, and my little sisterFelicia.

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And then I have some otherfamily that's close by in Las
Vegas.
So I've been having lots of funwith them.
I even got to attend a Biblestudy of my mom's, which was
just really sweet.
You know, it's like there's asense that there's a lot of

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dogma because there's defendinga book, basically, the Bible.
And uh something in the Biblesays something about if you add
one word to this, uh I don'tknow the exact quote, but if you
add one word to this, somethingbad is gonna happen.

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So that was the reflection thatI got.
And what I can see in that whenI recognize uh like defense of
any kind, any form, any form atall, is noticing where we tend
to become defensive aboutanything that seems to uphold

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our self-image, and that'sreally what defense is all
about.
We're trying to protect aself-image, it's never about uh
getting to the truth becauseit's coming from fear,
defensiveness is always comingfrom fear.
That's why it's awesome to beable to check in with the body's

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energy field and notice where uhthis is calling for love.
Let's say calling forforgiveness.
So if I were to get to getoffended and become defensive,
too, of you could say my book,let's say it was a course in
miracles, because a course inmiracles has been a major uh

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spiritual practice for me, andit's something that I teach and
stuff like that.
So if you have two people indefense, two people defending
their own beliefs or their ownform of what they think is
right, there can't be anycommunion.
But it just takes one person tobe in communion.

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You could say to be in holyrelationship, and that's just
embracing your own experience.
Like when you get theperception, oh, someone's
defending a concepts, a concept,and you're aware of your body's
energy field, you know you don'tneed to get defensive to.
It's obvious that that is notgoing to be helpful, but when

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you're unaware, the knee-jerkreaction is to become defensive,
even become defensive, you know,to uh someone saying that what
you're doing is actuallyharmful, right?
It's actually uh leading astray,you can say.
Um, it's not really uh it's notreally the highest spiritual

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thing that there is, you know,like anything like that.
Um you know, and our spiritualpractice, our spirituality, our
relationship, you could say ourrelationship as God with the
self of form, which is basicallyeverything that we made,
including the images of thepeople in our life and

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everything like that, being inrelationship with them really
means being in being inrelationship between God and the
created.
See, because in this illusion,you are as consciousness
relating with form, so you haveall the power of God relating

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with form to not get involvedand embroiled into any kind of
conflict with the sons of God,anyone in the sonship.
There's just no reason to getinto any conflict.
So, what it came down to in theBible study, you know, one thing
that there was a total agreementon, and the way it ended too,

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was whatever it is that allowsus to release our burdens,
that's perfect.
Whatever it is, and you know,there's different stages as far
as stages of learning, too, andno one's really ahead or behind.
It's not like that, it's justone movement in consciousness,
it's really just one movement ofawakening and consciousness, and

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it's always changing andtransforming, but always giving
us exactly what we need to seethrough the illusion.
So any kind of thoughts thatarise that say, this is wrong, I
don't want it, I didn't make itlike this, you know, I had the
perception uh of wow, my momdoesn't even see what I'm

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sharing.
Like, wow, she doesn't even seewhat I'm sharing.
And, you know, to me and to thepeople that uh uh that they get
what I'm you could say, get whatI'm sharing, pick up what I'm
laying down, you can say, it'svery, very clear.
The message is very clear andvery simple, and it leads to

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freedom in an instant.
So when it comes to any thoughtlike that, what like why don't
they, you know, why don't whydon't they show me it's
irrelevant?
It's actually irrelevant, it'snot about that, it's about how
you it would experience that.

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Would you experience it as asmall self that needs someone to
transform in order you for youto feel better?
Or would you experience it asthe creator, which you're not
separate from the creator?
So even if you still perceiveyourself as separate from the
creator, that's okay.

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Um, and it and really that'sokay.
You just look at it like thisthe creator gave you the power
to create just like him.
You could say that.
So if you see yourself as alimited individual, that's a
misperception.

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The creator gave you the powerto create just like him, which
involves a relationship injoining with the truth.
So when we join with the truth,we can see and we can help
everyone else to see too thatthe relaxation is really what's
called for here.

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It's not like some kind ofbattle of philosophies, you
know.
That doesn't matter.
Uh it doesn't, it doesn't reallymatter even if someone believes
that they're going to hell.
Let's say someone believes thatthey're going to hell, okay?
Uh, because they did so much badstuff.
Uh, and and here's the thingthat happens in the unconscious,

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unwatched mind.
Thinking that there is a place,hell, where you are sent if you
do wrong is an indication thatin your unwatched mind there's a
fear of going there in yourself.
And that's the whole reason whythere's projections of people

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who are apparently bad or sinfulor wicked.
Wicked was the word that Iheard.
Yeah.
And it's true, the ego, youcould say the ego is wicked, and
at the same time, it's also uhnot anything that has power over
anyone.

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So even to perceive the ego'swickedness, which is like
strategies to try to getsomething for itself, judgment,
murderous thoughts, all of that,to see that and recognize that
it has no power at all is to seeit truly.
And then it just looks kind offunny.

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It just looks kind of bizarrethat the ego would uh think that
you would actually be able togain anything by following that
train of thought.
See, so it goes back torecognizing everyone's
inestimable value, everyone'sinestimable, inestimable value

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in terms of awakening.
Because when we're recognizingthat, we're actually able to
extend what's true.
So it's kind of like we have tosee past first.
This is why forgiveness is soimportant, because forgiveness
helps us see past the illusionthat someone is attacking us.

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Okay, any illusion that uh thatuh someone is attacking us.
So oftentimes when we interactwith our family members, we get
the sense that we are beingattacked.
And that's because it's a habitto do that.
Okay, there's perceivingsomething that's familiar and it

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for and it triggers a memory ofa bad feeling.
And so it's our habit to dothat.
It's not because, oh, they'rejust shitty, that's just the way
that they are, and that's theway they're always gonna be, and
everything like that.
No, one thing that my mom sharesand shared in her Bible study is
that hope lives this.

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You know, my mom says, hopelives this, what we're talking
about in the Bible.
She actually lives it from dayto day.
At the same time, some of whathope says is there's a real
there's a real split there.
There's a some of what hope saysis wrong, you can say, just to

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put it in a short, uh, shortway.
That's the that's the perceptionI get.
Some of the stuff I say is wrongand even kind of crazy and uh,
you know, off the rocker.
And there was even some uh somemention of some higher-ups
actually controlling theinformation that I'm getting and
sharing with everyone.
So uh so there's there's likeyou notice that there's a split

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there because there's thisrecognition that I actually live
the Bible, but apparently I'mtalking something that's not uh
really true.
So that that's fun becausethat's usually the opposite.
Usually you're talking and notliving it.
So, you know, that's fun.
Um, having also having thatinterpretation, you know.

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And um yeah, I can't reallythink of anything that anything
in particular that would giveher that impression except
demonstration through uh justliving that there's no blame,
you know, there's no there's noblaming anyone.
Um, there's no uh there's noshame, there's no second

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guessing, there's noself-consciousness, right?
Self-consciousness meaning likeconscious of the way uh you look
in a way that's like I don'twant people to see me, they
might think this or somethinglike that.
Um, and that's something thatyou know is uh seems to be
present in my family tree.

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Um yeah, and you know,forgiveness is a thing because
there's been some things thatyou know, from my mom's point of
view, that that that would bevery hard to forgive.
But she saw that forgiveness isreally just no problem, it's not
a burden at all, it's a release,it's a relief that I don't have

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to hold that.
It's a relief that I don't haveto hang on to any idea that
someone in the family didsomething to me.
Yeah, and it's a relief to be beable to uplift.
One thing is, you know, just uhbeing present to whenever anyone
is ex exhibiting, you can say,exhibiting or experiencing

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suffering, you know, lettingthem know, just pointing to the
truth, like with my mom is thekind of thing that she can
handle, which would probably beokay for anyone, is you know,
you don't really need to doanything, but be your happy,
joyful self, and everything elseis taken care of.
Everything in the world is takencare of.

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You don't really have to doanything because there's a sense
of burden that comes through alot of people, um, especially
our family members, I'm sure alot of you can relate, will be
uh quick to let you know aboutwhat's burdening them because
they're close to you.
So your just awareness that whatthey think is burdening them is

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actually their choice, and theexperience of it is perfect for
them.
And from there, you can beguided on what to say.
That's the thing, just allowingthe words to come, uh, you know,
for the first time you do it,it's probably like, oh, I hope

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what comes out is okay.
But you don't even have to dothat, just watch what comes out
and embrace whatever feelingarises around that.
When you embrace that feeling,that teaches you number one,
it's okay.
You're learning, you can behappy about this, however, it
goes.
Uh, you're learning how to joinwith someone so you can

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experience together the love ofGod.
That's what we want all thetime.
We want to join and experiencethe love of God.
See, and no one has to agree todo that, no one has to agree to
join with you in experiencingthe love of God.
They've actually already agreedwhen they agreed to be created.

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You can say it's an agreement,you can look at it like that.
The creator created a son, youcan say, to know himself.
So when you're created, when youagree to be created, you agree
to know God.
That's the purpose of yourcreation, and that's your

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perfect happiness.
So once you made the thought ofseparation into a reality for
you, now your world is peopledwith all these people that are
reflecting separation.
So the way to bring them back towholeness within yourself is to

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recognize the truth aboutyourself, and that's all and and
that that also entailsrecognizing the truth about
them, you see, because there'sonly one of us.
The separation is something thatwe made.
So if we can't see the truthabout them, we can't see the

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truth about ourselves, andthat's like God punishing us.
It is, it appears like Godpunishing us.
Now, I noticed that what peopletake as guidance from God is
guidance on what to do in theworld all the time.
Okay.
But what to do in the world isactually just arising from your

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willingness to relax.
So if you seem to not do thatthing that you seem to get a
message message about to do,that's only because you were not
willing to relax.
It's not because you were notwilling to strive, okay?
Because the ego is alwaysstriving, like to get it right,

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knowing that you can't get itwrong because even your
expression is the means forundoing the thought of
separation, even yourexpression.
So that means even reactions,let's say negative reactions,
even if you do tend to lash outat someone, let's say, that's

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still your experience.
You made it, it's perfect foryou, it's perfect for everyone.
No one can get an experience ofyou that they didn't call forth.
Okay, so it's never up to you totry to change your own behavior,

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it's always up to you to seedifferently.
And in seeing differently, andpart of seeing differently, is
that all of your behavior andeverything you say is perfectly
helpful 100% of the time, it'sthe truth because no one that's

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perceiving you can get theperception that they got of you
without that coming from them,without it being a manifestation
of what they thought to be trueabout themselves.
Now, if you look at it and yougo, I would like to embody more

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grace.
Okay, good to know.
Actually, that's known by youbefore you even put any words to
it.
Before you even put any words toit.
I would like to embody moregrace.
So when you see that, you justnotice, oh, good to know.
That means that's a trajectory.

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This is going according to howmuch I'm willing to relax.
The more I'm willing to relax,the more it is going toward uh
being more graceful in myperception.
In my perception, see, includinguh all of my actions, all of my

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words, right?
In my perception, because that'sthe experience that I'm having.
Now let's talk about perceptionbecause you know sometimes
people uh mistake like what whatis what is this perceiving,
right?
And perceiving is all of thethoughts that you projected

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outward based on separation,reflected back to you.
That's what perceiving is now.

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See, so much of experience isoverlaid with an with a
narrative that equals falseperception.
So then the feelings can't beembraced because the narrative
is taken as something that'smeaningful.
It's as if we need to listen.
We need to stop and listen tothe ego's narrative.

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And if we're not listening tothe ego narrative, that's where
it allows some space for truthto come in.
And not listening doesn't meanpush it away.
That's the thing.
It's not like we want to push itaway, we're looking at the ego's
narrative and noticing what it'sdoing, the habitual strategy to

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try to keep us hooked in thegame.
In that instant, when you'reaware that it is strategy, it's
having no power over you.
See that you can remember tolaugh, laugh at the ego

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strategies because it's justtrying to live.
The ego's just trying to live,and you know, one reason you're
laughing, it's not because theego's dying.
We're not killing the ego, it'snot like that.
There never was an ego to kill.

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Ego is really an energy that'sset in motion, energy of
thought, and that's set inmotion, it's a thought of
separation.
So all thought tries to live, itgoes forward and tries to live.
So it's not evil or bad, and infact, ego uh what underlines ego

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is love, it is perfect love.
The energy that comes to sustainthe ego is perfect love.
So, what happens to that energythat goes to sustain the ego
back to perfect love?
So the ego really doesn't exist.

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It, what we set in motion like aprogram, is trying to keep its
existence, always fearful, andyou know it's always fearful of
you knowing what's true becauseyou will have no use for the
ego.
That's truly what it's fearfulof.
That's why the ego is fearful oflove, fearful of loving like

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God.
God loves past all of theillusions, all of the behavior,
all of the uh the constellationof bodies that are drawn
together and drawn apart and uhorchestrated in these ways for
maximal healing benefit.
Even the reasons you think youleave anyone, let's say uh leave

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a job, leave a relationship,leave a town, anything like
that, even the reasons you thinkyou do that are not true
reasons.
This is orchestrated.
You're only being orchestratedin relationship, in interactions

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with those who are the mostbeneficial for awakening the
entire sonship for for you, forthem, and to all, because it's
all consciousness.
That's the reason why.
At the core of all of us, we'reexactly as God created us, and

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the core is the reality.
What we have circling, theseparticles circling around, the
beams of light that we are, areprojected particles, and we're
in relationship with theprojected particles, so we can

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relate with all particles nomatter what kind of relationship
a person seems to want to havewith us.
We can relate with allparticles, doesn't mean we have
to uh be in relationship.
The way I look at it is I'mgonna be in relationship.
Uh you know, I'm I'm inrelationship with all, of

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course.
Uh, but in the world, you canonly interact with so many
people.
So I'm gonna be interacting withthe ones that are of most
benefit to the awakening.
And that's how it is for you,too.
It can't be another way, even ifyou think, no, I don't want to
interact with them, I'd ratherinteract with this person.

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So, whatever your resistance is,uh, your resistance to
interacting with that particularperson will be taking you onto
other interactions for releasingyour resistance to that kind of
energy more and more until youcan interact like that.
You can interact with that kindof energy.

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There's no energies that need tobe pushed away.
You know, I've heard some uhpretty outlandish things, you
know, uh just listening towhatever it is that's on
people's hearts, you know.
A lot of times they're gonna saysome outlandish things, like
there's evil spirits, you know,like there's um bad people in

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the world trying to get you,right?
And to me, that's outlandishbecause of knowing that all
things that are being perceivedare coming from the perceiver.
So it seems insane to me to makeanything that I perceive out to

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be any kind of threat since Imade it.
Since I made everything, I'm theauthor of my experience.
The way I'm authoring it at thispoint in time is anything that I
see that seems to be a threat,is a misperception, it's an

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effect of thinking thatsomething real, my being, could
be threatened.
So then it manifests a body thatseems to be uh subject to the
world, but even the body, eventhe physical form, can only be
subject to the voice of spirit,which gives us all of the uh

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energy, and you can say uhhealth that we need, all of the
sustenance, all of the means todo the will of God, which is
aligned with our perfecthappiness.
Notice when what you know it'sit goes back and forth, doesn't
it?
It fluctuates according tocertain perceptions.

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You know, if your mind drifts tosome event or circumstance in
the world or in someone else'slife or as in your own life,
whenever it wanders like that,it comes with an upset feeling.
That's an indication right therethat that thought that you're

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thinking, that thought thatyou're following, does not have
your best interest in mind.
Look, if it doesn't have theirbest interest in mind, it
doesn't have your best interestin mind either.
Notice when you're upset with aperson, the ego will throw out
thoughts, how uh they're leadingthemselves to doom.

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They're leading themselves tosome kind of destruction.
Whatever they're doing is gonnahave effects.
Nothing we do can have anyeffect, it's only thinking.
The thoughts that we take astruth manifest as form.

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They come as circumstances, theycome as events, they come as
people, they come as feelings.
These are the messengers.
So being grateful for themessengers, gratitude to the
messengers.
So there's an idea that the egoloves that you need to get

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better at something.
Maybe you hear this message andyou go, everyone needs to know
about this.
I gotta do something about it.
Anytime you have a burden onyour heart, you just need to be
released from that.
Let the doer the doership, thedoing take place from a state of

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relaxation.
Whatever it is you seem to do.
And remember, even all of yourreactions, all of your
interactions, all of your words,let them be used as proof that
you're beyond them.

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You're actually beyond all thesethings, and any experience is an
experience that's right for you.
From time to time I've hadpeople share with me that some

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experiences shouldn't happen.
Like I shouldn't have to gothrough bankruptcy, let's say.
The system is rigged.
Yeah, it looks like that to metoo.
It looks like the system isrigged, but it's more like the

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system is rigged.
Yay! The whole system is rigged.
It's a reflection.
We're not meant to win at theego's game.
We're not meant to even play theego's game.

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And you know, we do that in ourmind when we believe that things
are uh truly there affecting us.
That's playing the ego's game.
So it's constantly trying tomanage these different things
that could occur for safety.
Notice that it's all for safetyaround this body, and our safety

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is truly in our beingdefenseless to the world, not in
trying to defend ourselves.
This is a mental movement, it'snot in the behavior.
A lot of the times people hearme say this and think that they
should leave their doorsunlocked or something.

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None of that stuff reallymatters, it's just an effect.
What you want to do is see thatwhen you are locking a door,
this is just a symbol.
My true safety is in mydefenselessness, being
defenseless to the things thatseem to be threatening in the

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world.
And the reason for that, thereason for the defenselessness
is that your sight getstransformed and you see nothing
as a threat anymore.
When you're recognizing thatyou're the author of all of your
experience, then nothing's athreat anymore.

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Whatever the ego talks, thenarrative that's about the
story, you don't have to pursueany of those thoughts.
You could just see that theydon't mean anything.
You're here for the visceralexperience.
Let's say it's shame orembarrassment or something like
that.
Ah, let it come.

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Many times people just picture amemory, and that memory will
bring on a certain feeling.
This is very common.
Picturing a memory, and a memorybrings on a certain feeling, and
immediately what the ego does,if you're not aware of it, you
just get taken by this, kind oflike a train.

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The ego goes, Oh no, no, I don'twant to feel that.
And tries to distract.
And and a big part of thedistraction is you go on to a
thought train about thatcircumstance, situation, memory,
person trying to work it out.

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Trying to avoid that feeling.

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They just come out.
And it's not like I'm notinteracting with that person in
anymore.
I'm not interacting in that wayanymore.
I'm not interested in playingthat dynamic anymore.
That's not a dynamic to for me.
So as long as that person wantsto play that dynamic, that's not

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that I'm not being called to.

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Uh the term spiritual familycame up for me.
The term spiritual family.
Um, and that's like, where arewe sharing frequencies that work
that bring in light?
Ah, that's beautiful.

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Let's interact more like that.
See, it's beautiful, and we cancome together like that.
And it's not a matter ofexcluding any any of the other
frequencies, and we don't reallyneed to be interacting with all
frequencies.
See, uh, because it's one thing.

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So what we see together, whenwe're hanging out together and
we're uh we're in a similarfrequency, we're constantly uh,
it's almost like we're climbingin consciousness, soaring in
consciousness, receiving thegoods for the whole world.
There's nothing that we have todo to go out and spread this

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message.
It's a matter of coming into theknowing again and again through
this relationship that we'rehaving.
So the reason why I mentionedthis is because I notice
self-sacrifice being a thing onthe spiritual path.
And I even noticed this in myown self before, where, you

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know, I've gotten a messagethat, you know, you're done with
this dynamic, you have you'veseen through this dynamic, but
then there's a thought thatsays, this person needs me for
their spiritual growth.
So anytime you see where thereis a sense of sacrifice for

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someone else's spiritual growth,that's not it.
And I noticed just from goingthrough that again and again,
okay, that this is why thedynamic is continuing.
You know, even after I saw, oh,this is the this dynamic, it's
not really uh it's not reallycalling me.

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Let's say it's not reallycalling me.
Um, but what's calling me isthis idea that this person needs
me for their spiritual growth.
And, you know, each dynamic likethis is unique.
So it's always a sense of thisdeep listening.

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What is the most fruitful?
So for me, going through,continuing to relate with a
person, you know, for the mainapparent reason because they
need me spiritually.
Once I saw through that belief,the interaction stopped
completely.

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Because that particular thoughtwas reflecting an idea that love
includes sacrifice.
So when that idea was no longernecessary, that form of
interacting was no longernecessary either.
And it was just dropped.

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It was just like the obviousnext step.
Okay, so it's like whenever youseem to be in a dynamic and
you're not sure what's going on,you keep on interacting with
this person.
You're going, this doesn'treally feel good, real feel
good.
Interacting with this persondoesn't leave me feeling

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uplifted.
Right.
Um, and you know, that's alwaysthat's always coming from you
too.
Whether you're interacting withthis person is leaving you
feeling uplifted.
Let's look at that, okay?
Because whether whether you itwhen you interact with someone
and it doesn't leave you feelinguplifted, it's because you're

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not seeing something and notbeing authentic with yourself.
See, I would find myself even uhverbalizing to another friend, I
know it's like this in thisdynamic, but he needs me, so I'm

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going.
And when it was recognized, theHoly Spirit's got him, there's
no need, all of a sudden, thewhole need for the dynamic fell
away.
And that's that's uh kind oflike a picture, like a microcosm
about how the whole world fallsaway, about how all interactions

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that aren't reflecting yourperfectly loving heart.
See that interactions are notnecessary, they become
unnecessary.
Interactions that are notreflecting your perfectly loving
heart become unnecessary onceyou see through the underlying

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cause of these dynamics.
So the people are allorchestrated just to show you
where you have something thatyou believe is unmet, and you
allow that to be met by the loveof God.
Also trying to get approval.

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I notice that I notice thataction in my mind, especially uh
being around my mom, you know,noticing I don't have her full
approval.
That's what the apparentappearance is, anyways, that I
don't have her for her fullapproval.
You know, uh, even a comment wasmade that I'm good at speaking,

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so it's easier for you knowpeople to be led astray by me.
So, you know, the having aperception and watching the mind
try to go for that approval.
And it's like, oh, I don't needher approval, all I need is to
rest in the acceptance thateveryone's experiences are

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perfect for them, and then uhnon-approval, approval really
are the same thing, right?
They're really the same thing,they're really just showing you
a reflection of your ownthoughts.
It's like, where do you uhbelieve that you need approval?

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Let's say that.
Where do you believe that youneed approval?
You need more approval.
You're already approved of byGod, you are already created in
the image of God, like God tocreate.
What other approval do you need?

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Also, the movement in the mindto try to uh separate, make it
as if something's wrong.
Someone, in this case, a familymember is really is great timing
for this because Thanksgiving'snext week.

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A lot of people are gonna behanging out with their family,
I'm sure.
It's as if that person isattacking.
That's really the sense that isthat that the energy field
reflects.
It's like that person isattacking.
So whenever I get the sense thatperson is attacking, I know

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their self-attack, theirself-talk.
It's making it so that I can'thave fun, so that I can't play
with that.
It's like, oh, mmm, they don'tapprove.

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Diana made a comment here.
Master in love.
Uh, last time we were on an ACIMdeep dive, we were doing the
mastery of love.
All needs are being met.
So even by the perception ofnon-approval by a family member,
all your needs are met.
So a quiet thank you withinyourself so that you can

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recognize your reaction.
Notice your reaction.
I like to notice my reaction injust a really playful way
because I don't identify with itat all.
I get the perception that Idon't have full approval.
I have a lot of approval,apparently.
Uh, I just don't have fullapproval.

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So I get the perception I don'thave full approval.
I'm recognizing where myapproval, even beyond approval
isn't even the word, um, wherethe perfect love for me actually
comes from.
It doesn't come from my family,it doesn't come from anything
I've projected.

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The only love is the love ofGod.
So when there's an upsetfeeling, I get the perception
I'm not fully approved of.
That's my opportunity to seethat that person is helping me
know to accept the love of Godright now.

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It's a call for love from ourown mind to accept the love of
God right now.
So then it's like, oh, okay.
Isn't that like, well, if youdon't approve of me, if you're
gonna make it like I'm uhharming people and leading them
astray, then that means this.

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See, the ego just wants to takeeverything, err.
Wind it all up, stir it up, makeit into someone's doing
something to you.
But no, I just reflect back,just like with my kids.
That's okay.
Sometimes uh sometimes you seemto be really sweet to me, and

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other times it seems like you'repissed at me.
It doesn't change anything forme, it's the same for me.
I love you.
Does it mean we might be hangingout less?
Yes, it does.

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Because naturally, I'm drawn tothose who are in my spiritual,
uh, my spiritual family for themost part.
There are times when I interactwith different frequencies, but
for the most part, I'minteracting with those who are
members of my spiritual family,you could say.

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And that's always changing.
And you know, I I say that as away of pointing because really
everyone is in our spiritualfamily.
We're just one mind, we'rereally just one mind.
Like I said, in the world,there's only so many people we
can interact with within theillusion of time, there's only

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so many.
So it's like taking care of theconnection.
Let's say taking care of theconnection to source, your
awareness of truth, yourawareness of who you are, taking

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care of that.
Opening up, we don't chooseanything in the world, even who
we're gonna interact at interactwith, but opening up to pure
freedom.
So I had a sister share with methat she really doesn't like her

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partner, and I go, Well, youknow, you don't have to stay
with your partner, you know,because that's a thought that
you have to, and she said, Idon't I know, I just don't like
to see him cry.
I think it's been many years inthe illusion of time, maybe like

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10 years, of not wanting to seesomeone cry.
So continue to hang around withthem.
I can relate, I can totallyrelate.
We're making that a factor.
I'm gonna keep on interactingbecause I don't want to see them

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cry.
So it's as if there's somesacrifice in love.
And see, it's not a matter ofwhether you should or should not
leave a such a situation or aperson.
It's what concepts are holdingyou prisoner?

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What concepts are denying yourfreedom to join in truth?
What concepts are making it asif you have to do something that
depletes you.

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That depletes your energy, let'ssay.
Not that you can really doanything that depletes your
energy.
But it's the idea I really don'tlike being with this person.
Yet I have to because I don'twant to see them cry.

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See, and that could that couldbe anything.
I really don't want to go onthat trip, but if I don't,
people are gonna think like thisabout me.
See your reasons, they denyperfect freedom right now.
What is perfect freedom though?

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That's joining in truth, that'srecognizing the truth of who we
are, the truth that we allshare.
And that's receiving the love ofGod right now.
That's what joining in truth is.
You know, when you get a uh aperception of pain, someone

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reflects that they're in pain,emotional or physical pain.
The way to join in truth is notto make them wrong.
What the ego will rush to do ismake them wrong.
Or make them a victim ofsomething like uh like genetics
or um make them a victim of theworld, or make it just you know,

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just make it as they've donesomething wrong.
They haven't taken proper careof themselves, let's say.
They went out uh and interactedwith a bunch of people that
seemed to be sick at the time,and they shouldn't have done
that, for instance.

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Even agreeing that contagion isreal, even in your mind.
Oh, they caught that over there,they caught that disease over
there.
But recognizing the mind is allpower and giving all power back
to the mind allows seeing ourpower.

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Really, we need to see our powerand recognize our power to
create our experience, andthat's what we've been doing.
We've been, and this is such anew age thing to say, too.
It's just that it's not reallyrecognized as a practice that
you apply through theparticulars of your life, you

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create your own experience.
The same goes in heaven as onearth, which you know, earth is
basically what we call earth, umis basically like an overlay,
it's concepts superimposed overheaven, so we can't see heaven.

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It's like our mind is taken upby these concepts.
So to acknowledge heaven is tobe willing to see it, the truth
of who we are, through theillusions that seem to be.

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So the way that looks, like youknow, in my experience, I had a
family member just this week uhsay that they're sick and having
a thermometer right next to themand checking their temperature
all the time to see, you know,I'm sick, uh I'm okay, I'm still
sick, it's still thistemperature.
And it was so fun because, youknow, at one point I took it.
I wanted to see what mytemperature was.

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The first temperature reading,it was like a hundred and one.
It was like, whoa, 101.
And then each time I use it, Iget a different number, a
different number come up, youknow, and you know, just
playfully just noticing this isreflecting mind.
It's all it all it is isreflecting mind, just reflecting
concepts.
And I love that for me, it's soplayful.

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First thing is I got a fever,apparently.
101 is kind of a fever.
Um didn't get any other kind ofsense that it was a fever, but
uh that seemed to be the case.
But it's simply, you know, Ididn't tell her anything about
uh her being uh her sicknessreally being a defense against
the truth or something likethat, you know.

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Which, you know, that's that'sthe thing when you're ready to
see it.
Um, that that sickness is adefense against the truth.
It doesn't mean you're wrong,and that includes pain,
emotional pain, and physicalpain.
It doesn't mean you're wrong.
Uh and that's the ego's trick totell you look, this is proof
that you defend against thetruth, right?

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Well, you're not really capableof defending against the truth,
you're dreaming of defendingagainst the truth.
Maybe that'll give you like alittle bit of distance from what
the ego's speaking to you,right?
Uh, you're not really capable ofthinking against the truth, but
you wanted that to be the case.
So it seems like you can dothat, right?

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So nothing's wrong.
Uh, it's just reflecting backthrough my own mind, not through
trying to make my interactionsanything, but through my own
mind that the sickness is adefense against the truth.
And it's okay.
This too shall pass, right?
And just in my recognizing thatit is a defense against the

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truth and it has no roots inreality, it actually helps
loosen it up.
It actually helps loosen it upfor the person because you're
not agreeing with them that theycaught it somewhere in the
world.
You're actually returning allpower to their own mind.
So they don't have to be afraidof sickness.
Um, and you know, when I get thesense of any symptoms, which I

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haven't had a sense of anysymptoms, well, actually, there
is a fleeting sense of somethingscratchy going on, uh, maybe
like about a month or two ago.
And immediately it's justrecognizing, I was just
recognizing that's what I'mprojecting right now.
It has no cause in reality, andthen it was gone right away.

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So, what I've seen a lot of thiswhere the the apparent sickness
will lose its roots, it'll justlose its roots because in me, it
has no uh it gets no nutrition,let's say.
And the nutrition is makingcauses in the world, justifying

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sickness as if it has any causein the world.
And in fact, one thing a Coursein Miracles talks about, and
which I love too, even ourthoughts do not have power as
sinful as the thoughts may be,and you're listening.
This means listening to the egothoughts.
When I say your thoughts, it'sthe same in the Course in

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Miracles too.
When it's talking about your ownthoughts, it's talking about the
ego thoughts that you habituallylisten to.
Okay.
So even if your thoughts aren'tin tune with the spirit and are
attacking yourself, the effectin the imagination, what we can

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we can perceive effects, theperceived effects are not real
effects.
They're only real to theperceiver.
So even sinful thoughts,listening to ego thoughts that
attack your worthiness,basically, result in fearful
manifestations.

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Those things have no truth ormeaning in reality.
So that gives us the power tosee past any illusion that says
this person's negative thinkingcaused this symptom.

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You see how that's a guiltyprojection.
Because to be able to perceive,to even perceive, to even have
someone tell you that they'resick or they have a sickness,
that's gotta be coming from you.
You can't get the perceptionthat anyone else is sick or

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anyone else is in pain unlessthat's coming from you.
So it's in your recognizing thatthey don't really have the power
to hurt themselves, even withlistening to ego-driven
thoughts.
That really doesn't have thepower to hurt them, it's only

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just believing in the truth ofit that will allow us to have
any kind of perception likethat.
That can be wiped awayinstantly, and even if they
don't perceive that theirsymptoms have changed, the gift
is still available to them intheir mind.

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It's automatically extended tothem the knowledge that they're
all powerful and they're makingthis illusion just so that they
can see and undo an underlyingself-judgment that they want to
be released from.

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Ah, Akahi, thank you forjoining.
I'm so glad you're here.
Thank you for sending me lovefrom Hawaii.
I love that.
Thank you.
Glenn says checking body temp istricky.
Apparently, the bum is the bestspot to check.
That's how you know if you havea hot ass.

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Okay, Glenn.
Yes, there was some conversationabout that as well.
Oh, there was.
So, in the event that there's anexperience of some kind of
sickness that entails takingrest, allow that too.

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Just be embracing the thoughts,the feelings, the sensation, and
recognizing that they're comingfrom you.
Embracing is different thanpursuing an ego thought, isn't
it?
Look, one ego thought, you gotthis because you ran yourself

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ragged.
You worked too hard.
If you believe that, you makeyourself more vulnerable.
If you simply embrace that thisis the thought being presented
right now, then you canrecognize right away that's not

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a meaningful thought.
That thought has no realeffects, and the more we see
that no thought has realeffects, the more we cannot
tolerate illusions.
Our mind doesn't tolerateillusions, and this is in a
positive way.

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That it doesn't tolerateillusions because eventually
we'll see right past anysickness and alleviate all kinds
of pain, whatever pain peopleare projecting.
The only way to do that is tosee that the projection, what
we're perceiving, is projectedfrom our energy field.

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And it's not up to you toalleviate their pain or their
sickness.
It's up to you to remember thetruth.
When you remember what's true,pain and sickness is alleviated
in your mind, making it lesslikely, less possible that it be

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projected from your mind evenonto another person.
So people can be healed just bybeing in your presence in that
way.
Because you wouldn't make theirsickness true.
You wouldn't join them inattacking yourself in attacking

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themselves, knowing that that'struly an attack on yourself.
There's no other way.

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One uh family member asked me uhif Hitler was on his deathbed
and he asked God forforgiveness, do I think God
would forgive him?
And I said that would be up tohim to accept the truth.

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God's judgment of us is alwaysperfect.
We're the perfect holy son ofGod, totally loving and totally
lovable.
There's nothing you canapparently do in the world to
change that, but your mind isvery powerful to believe that
you don't deserve it.

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It can do that, it can believein that thought, in that
meaningless thought.
It can't really think thatthought.
That's why it's a projectedthought.
Your mind can believe that it'spowerless and make that its
illusion.
Make it the truth for the mind.

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Because illusions are true tothe mind that believes it's
separate.
For instance, my neck pain, mydiabetes, right?
My liver disease, whatever itis.
You know, you get to start inthe first place.

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Your body isn't here as it seemslike it's here.
It's perceived.
That means that your mind ismaking a whole body that has
biological functions, reactions,apparent needs, apparent

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tendencies.
Right.
And it could be very useful.
It's meant to be very useful.
Whenever we get the perceptionthat our body isn't quite good
enough to serve our function,which is extending love, we

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close down.
Our energy field closes down.
The body is always perfect forserving for true service.

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Letting you could say lettingthe Holy Spirit use it.
However he sees fit.
Instead of you deciding what youwant to do with it, what you
want to get with it, forinstance.

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So Akasha has a comment here.
Thank you.
B Lie B E L I E is coded in theword believe.
I love it.
It's the opposite of knowledgeand wisdom, and she the way she
writes that is wise dome.

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I love it.
So we've been taught to regardlies as truth and the truth as
untrue.

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It's like I'm entitled tojudgment.
I'm entitled to keep myjudgments.
Because God would judge thisguy, let's say over here,
Hitler.
God would definitely judge him.
God would withhold forgiveness.

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See, he he was expecting ananswer that said God would
withhold forgiveness becausethat's what uh he feels like of
course God wouldn't forgive allthose murders, but God doesn't
see like a human like that.
God doesn't see any murders.

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All God sees is his perfectcreation having gone astray,
gone on a trip of separation,and is experiencing terrifying
things.

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God, whose will is perfecthappiness for his son, does not
withhold forgiveness fromanyone.
And when we withhold forgivenessfrom anyone, we automatically
believe that we're guilty and wefear punishment.

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That's why the mind made of aplace called hell.
It's a way to avoid that fear bysending other people there,
people who are worse than you.
You know, inside the ego'srejoicing.

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Because the ego's been guiltingyou the whole time for your own
behavior all this time.
But thank goodness there's a guylike Hitler in history, he can
go to hell for me.
That way I don't have to go.

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She says, exactly, poor Eve,quote unquote Eve, believed what
the serpent ego said, thateating the apple could ever be a
source of guilt or shame.
Remember, after she ate theapple, the certain serpent was
like, Oh, now you did it.

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God is pissed at you.
Now you're in trouble.
You better hide.
Because God's pissed now.
That now you know the differencebetween good and evil.
But the thing is, good and evil,knowing the difference between
good and evil, that's falseknowledge.

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And you can say Eve is stilleating the apple.
False knowledge.
That was confusing to thatparticular family member that
God would be forgiving ofHitler.
And it was kind of like, well,no God that would forgive Hitler

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is my God.
I know God's judgmental.
And you know, and and it's funnybecause the words are it's not
judgment.
The words that are coming out,they're saying it's not
judgment.

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God just does these things topeople.
God just does these bad thingsto people because he's helping
them.
But it's the ego that's saying,you have crossed God, you have

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destroyed the Garden of Eden.
Now God wants to kill you, andthen there's all kinds of
evidence, apparently, if Godcreated the world of separation,
for one, there's death in it,there's murder.

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Eternal life.
And there's no break in yourcreation.
You keep creating, even whileyou're perceiving a world of
separation and making illusionsover your perfect creation, your
creation is still ongoing.

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It's just that you don't see it.
So that's why uh bringingillusions to the truth, seeing
that your illusions are nottrue, is the way to true seeing.
You're not really changinganything because what we
perceive to be here that isn'tas God created it is not here.

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It's not in existing, it's notas in existence, it's a
misperception.
So when there seems to be amisperception, what all we want
is our perception to be cleaned.

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But even just thinking thatanything is actually there is an
opportunity for cleaning theperception.
I'll give you another examplebecause one of my friends, I was
doing a radio show with afriend.
I have been doing two radioshows actually.

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I've done uh two weeks in a row,and I have another one coming up
on Sunday.
It'll be Sunday at 10 a.m.
Hawaii time or 1 p.m.
Uh Arizona time.
I guess Pacific time is noonnow, um, on Sunday.
And on the first one, there wasat the end of it a prayer for a

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blanket of peace over Gaza.
Okay.
So I noticed that.
And first thing I noticed, I waslike, wow, that really doesn't
resonate with me.
I'm not feeling resonant withthis to do a prayer for peace
over Gaza, specifically.

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You know, um, it's one thing ifI feel called or I feel a nudge
from the Holy Spirit tospecifically pray.
Uh, but even in a prayer, thetrue prayer would be to help me
see, help me see thisdifferently.
Why am I getting the perceptionright now that Gaza is not at
peace?

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It must be my projection, itmust be my interpretation.
So, all prayer would be to seethings truly.
Asking for a blanket of peaceover Gaza is already to assume
that the suffering that youperceive, how do you perceive
that suffering?

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You probably watch the news.
I don't know.
I don't watch the news.
I have no idea what isapparently going on over there,
which there's no there's noplace or anything like that.
It's all coming from me.
So the prayer in my mind is tosee clearly, is to recognize the

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value in everything.
So then we had a conversationabout that later, and um, you
know, my first thing was um,yeah, we don't choose our own
miracles, we don't decide wherethe miracles need to be given.

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I perceive them not being atpeace, so I want them to be at
peace.
Uh, the miracle being calledalways is to see things
differently, and the true prayeris for this true seeing, this
Christ vision.

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That's what changes everything.
Not deciding, let's make amiracle for Gaza right now.
Miracles are meant to beinvoluntary, they're an effect,
they're an effect of forgivingillusions.
So, as we're not forgiving ourillusions, say, uh, you know,

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maybe you watch the news.
I don't know.
You watch the news, you read thenew news online or something
like that, and it sayssomething's going on over in
Gaza.
And you get the sense, oh shit,something's wrong.
That's where the practice comesinto play.
That's where you're recognizingthat what I've made of this uh

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apparent place called Gaza,which I'm projecting as if all
these people are suffering.
What are they doing over there?
Killing each other or something?
What is the story?
That comes from me.
So I want to see it differently.
See, no one's suffering inreality.

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They may have the experiencethat they're suffering.
People, people in Gaza areeverywhere, really.
It doesn't really matter wherethey seem to be.
Um, people get the experiencethat they're suffering.
Always.
How do you help them?

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Use forgiveness to remove theblocks to love, the blocks to
your knowing the love of God, soyou're not adding to the
suffering.
Whenever you get released fromsuffering, that releases the
world.
Whatever release from sufferingyou get, you're releasing the
world.
So it's like, okay, okay, that'sthe way it is.

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All right, I see that.
And then the next thing, uh hesees something.
I think it's in a course inmiracles, it says pray without
ceasing.
That's also in the Bible, too.
Pray without ceasing.
But in the Bible and in a coursein miracles, Jesus teaches us

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how to pray.
He already knows that the HolySpirit, God, already know our
apparent needs.
The Holy Spirit knows what wethink we need.
We don't need to pay for prayfor our needs to be met.
That's the minutiae that'sautomatically taken care of when
we find ourselves in trueprayer, which is the prayer to

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see things truly, to seerightly.
And you know, big part of seeingrightly is just in recognizing
that what you're perceiving,you're projecting.
And for me, I'm I'm not tryingto correct anyone's mind.

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It's just I'm recognizing thatthis is not true prayer.
This is not how I pray.
Because to say that you wantpeace for anyone is already to

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say that they're not at peace,and you cannot hang on to that
illusion that they're thatthey're not at peace and somehow
make them at peace.
You already made them not atpeace.

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It's not true, they're justkidding.
They're playing a game.
Everyone's playing a game, it'slike a video game.
We're like characters in a videogame.
They're reflecting to you.

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They're suffering.
Oh, this is so bad.
Someone in your own experiencemight reflect to you.
Gosh, since uh, I don't know, Idid everyone get their EBT?
I heard something about peopleweren't gonna get their EBT, but
let's say they didn't.
Oh gosh, things are so bad nowthat I didn't get my EBT.

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I don't have anything to eat.
So in recognizing, they're justkidding.
They're sustained by the love ofGod.
They're just kidding.
They may be fooling themselvestoo.
But you're not getting fooled bythis.

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You're recognizing that they'realways sustained by the love of
God.
This doesn't mean you wouldn'thelp them, even hand them some
money in the dream.
It doesn't mean that.
It's whatever you're whateveryou're inspired, whatever the
Holy Spirit would have you do.
That's what you're gonna findyourself doing.

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Recognizing the truth in ourbrothers isn't meant to be used
as a reason to not help them inthe perception, it's not used as
a reason to not offer help.
It's not like that.

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If you're called to offerphysical help in a physical
form, money, food, whatever,make them dinner, teach them a
skill, I don't know.
Whatever is called, that canjust be done without judgment,
without the idea of sacrifice,the kind of giving that uplifts,

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the kind of giving thatdemonstrates we're equal, we're
equal in our value to God.
See, it's not giving out a pity,it's not giving out of
self-righteousness, it's givingout a joy, is really the only
true giving, even if you seem tobe giving something material.

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It's the thought behind it.
If you give out of pity, it'slike killing them because it's
adding to their idea that theyhave no true sustenance, that
they've been cut off from theirfather, that they've been cut

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off from sustainability, fromabundance, and that makes you
feel cut off.
It's as if all these people haveto be fixed before you're
feeling okay.

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As usual, I really appreciateit.
Thank you, Glenn.
He said, Why do Adam and Eve useAndroid to play video games?
Because Eve violated the Appleterms and conditions.

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A fun game, like children stillin the garden.
We haven't left the garden.
We've just made it look likesomething else.
We've made it look like theopposite to the garden.
We've made it look like thisworld where we go to die.
We're on a death sentence,apparently.

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And let's try to make our world,let's try to decorate our world
and control all the people inthe world to make it all right
for us as we're going on ourdeath sentence.
And this is how we undo evendeath.

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Death may be uh one of the lastillusions or the last illusion.
Who knows?
But we're undoing this idea.
Death is an idea that we made.
We're undoing this illusion,this idea, by recognizing that
the effects that we perceive ofthat idea are not really there,

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and the idea itself actuallydoesn't mean anything.
I take the idea, well,everyone's got to die.
I don't know.
We seem to have an example ofeternal life.
You know, one through even let'ssay you don't even believe in

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Jesus.
And you know, I don't believe inJesus in that way either, that's
silly.
Like a uh, like, like justgoing, you have to believe,
otherwise you're going toheaven.
So you believe or going to hell,so then you believe out of fear.
What Jesus represents is acertain consciousness that's

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accessible within all of us.
You could say he represents tome, and may or may not represent
that to you, Christ'sconsciousness.
I told my mom and it kind oftripped her out.
Apparently, I said, I am Jesus.

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She just kind of looked at me.
I go, Yeah, we all ask Jesusinto our heart in the in in
Christianity.
We asked Jesus into our heart.
Seems like the rest of the timeit's just coming back to the
knowing that you did make thatdecision to let Jesus decide.

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Let for one way to say it.
Let Jesus decide.
This consciousness is withineveryone.
Let Jesus, you can say, letJesus decide for me.
That's an act of an aspect ofmyself that I can act that I can
access.

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She just kind of looked at melike, hmm, she's straight face,
fucking telling me she's Jesusright now.
Yeah, I wrote all the books.
We're the author of ourexperience.
I wrote all the books that Iseem to read and not read.
I wrote the Bible.

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I wrote a course in miracles.
I wrote a course of love.
I wrote the whole scene.
I even wrote the scene uh with amom that seems to not be
approving of me completely.
And I also wrote the scene whereI have a mom that's saying, you

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actually live the scriptures.
I have a mom apparently saying,I've never met anyone who lives
the scriptures like you.
See?
All meaningless.
Because it's something I wrote,it's something I authored.

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And when we when we setourselves up so that we need
validation, we think we needvalidation.
Oh, good, that's a win.
Whew.
That's a win.
Then we get the opposite.
We keep going back and forth.
Oh, the couple points for me,couple points taken away from
me, couple points for me, couplepoints taken away from me,

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right?
Uh for me, I just get so muchjoy in expressing the authentic
truth.
This is what's this is what'strue to me.
I am Jesus.
There's nowhere I can accessJesus except in my own mind.
Where else could I access Jesus?

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Where else could I access anyconsciousness?
Jesus is basically uhrepresenting that name Jesus and
the image of a man who livedabout two thousand years ago is

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representing a certainconsciousness that heals, and
that consciousness is notseparate from us.
I found myself lately justnoticing, um, and I've shared

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with you guys a lot, I think,about how my self-talk would be
over many years.
And um, it would be show me whatto do, show me what to say,
thank you, thank you, Jesus,thank you, Holy Spirit, thank
you, God, thanking, gratitudeall the time.
Well, the past couple weeks, Inotice in my mind going to

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thankfulness, thankfulness, evengoing to what should I do, and
recognizing so clearly, I'masking myself.
No answer needed.
I'm asking myself.
So through the course ofcontinuing to be grateful,

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continuing to um, you know, givemy body the form, the self that
I made over for just being trulyhelpful.
All I want is to be trulyhelpful over the course of that.
Eventually, it just became soclear to me there's no
separation.
And, you know, each time we havea realization like that, it's

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like um we access moreconsciousness, we access more of
our power.
And we go to, it's like we gothrough another door in our
consciousness leading back home.
Once we've gone through thatdoor, it's like I cannot see

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myself as separate.
I cannot even see myself asbeing separate from the one I'm
asking to help me see.
It's like, holy shit, that's me.
Who else can let me see?
Who else can really do that?

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All right, and then Akasha has acomment, and then propping up
those external identitypersonalities, which we cling
to, becomes a full-time job.
Yes, that's right.
It's like the ego that we madethat we identify with while
we're identifying as an ego,wants to protect itself.

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So all this energy is going topropping.
Up the identity, getting thecorrect validation that reflects
how I want to see myself.
It occurred to me that a lot ofpeople get into spirituality, in

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fact, because they want otherpeople to think they're cool.
It's like, wow, people thinkthese spiritual people are
pretty cool.
I want people to think I'm cool.
Once people reflect back to methat I'm cool because I'm so
spiritual, I made it.

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And as that fluctuates, I getthe sense that I didn't make it.
But in always being here, alwaysbeing present to my experience
and recognizing myself as theauthor of all experience, I can

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allow my mind to be led by theaspect of my mind that knows the
truth.
It doesn't have to stay focusedon the circumstances of the
world to justify non-truth, tojustify judgment.

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These are involuntary.
Miracles are involuntary.
That means you don't decide whogets the miracle.
What's more guided is when youneed to see a brother as

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yourself.
When you need to see a brotherin uh in their perfect creation
as God created them.
When you don't see someone likethat, when you see someone is
less than, when you haveestimated their value, your mind

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is also estimating your ownvalue.
And you don't want that.
You'd rather see them truly.
So that becomes uh what youwould do with all situations and
circumstances and people whoseem to be upsetting to you, who

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seem to be weak, who seem to besickly, who seem to be mean.
Yes, the watched mind.
That's right.

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We were studying in chapter twoof a Course in Miracles about
the unwatched mind.
So um what Jesus was inspiringus to do through that is watch
our mind, watch our unconsciousmind.
Once it becomes watched, then wecan bring those illusions to the

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truth.
But in order to even watch ourmind, we have to be willing to
forgive our illusions.
The things that pop up andtrigger upset feelings, those
are our illusions that need tobe forgiven.
And it's not about forgiving thephysical thing, it's not like
that.

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As in I forgive you for slappingme, for instance.
True forgiveness is what Ithought happened didn't really
happen.
Someone might go, oh gosh, well,what are you saying?
Like, let's put this in thepractical terms.
You're at a party, someonedecides they don't like you.

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Maybe they think you're someoneelse, and they just walk up and
slap you.
What do you do?
If you don't already see itclearly that you orchestrated
it, that was your hand that didthe slapping, ask to see

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clearly.
Okay, I need to see thisclearly.
Help me see, even help me seethis clearly.
Because, you know, even ifyou're not aware that your
higher self is the one self iswho you are, you could say your
higher self or God is actuallywho you are.
Asking for that, asking for truevision is something that you can

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be given because you want it,because it's naturally who you
are.
You naturally do see clearly.
So when you seem to not beseeing clearly and you actually
want it, you get it.
Biblically, that would go to averse that says, Ask and it will
be given you.

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Because it's already there, it'salready something that's yours.
The truth is yours.
Awareness of what is true isalready yours.
So what do you do on thesurface?
Who knows?
Leave that to let's say, leavethat to nature to play out.

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You pay attention to the mind.
What isn't what is the mindmaking of this?
Is the mind making of it thatsomeone just came out of left
field and slapped you?
Or is the mind recognizing Iauthored this?

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Right?
Nothing saying that you can'tslap them back.
It's a dream, it's a movie.
Be curious about whatmanifestation's gonna come out
of you instead of trying tomanage it.

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Instead of trying to manage anyoutcome.
Let the illusion be totally uhbeneficial.
When you look at it asbeneficial, then it's
beneficial.
Oh, thank goodness that personslapped me.

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I needed that.
I can't get a slap I don't need.
Let's say an insult that I don'tneed, right?
Turn the other cheek and get allslapped around, right?

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Akahi.
That's it.
And you know, when Jesus saidturn the other cheek, he was not
saying to give them the othercheek so they could slap that
cheek.
Okay, he was actually sayingturn the other cheek to show
them that you're not affected,that you're perfectly whole.

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Instead of showing them yourwound, look what you did to me.
Like that.
It's demonstrating, it's a wayof pointing to, demonstrating
you're invulnerable in truth.
You can't be threatened, youcan't really be attacked.

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It's not the same as an ego wayof asking for another slap on
the other side of your face.
It's not asking for more slaps.
It's actually asking for moreslaps, ironically.
Is that irony?
I don't know.
Ironically, it's asking for moreslaps when you make it as if you

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didn't cause it.
Because then that's sayingyou're vulnerable.
Glenn says, atonement, what Ibelieve happened, never actually
happened.
Hooray.
Yes, hooray.

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It's not the same as the ego'sway of looking at it saying,
Slap me again.
If they think you owe them somemoney, give it to them.

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It's not gonna hurt you.
There's no uh there's noinjustice, there's no
unfairness.
You know, and when I say give itto them, it's not like you can
make that actual choice in thefield.
You could just make a choice tolook internally.

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What does it feel like to justgive it to them and not be
concerned about it?
But they just here you go, andthen not even be dis not even be
concerned.
It doesn't matter if youactually perceive yourself
giving it to them or not, it'sjust in noticing, wow, just

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being unconcerned about theworld, I could just extend love
in whatever way feels amazing.
Feels like perfect happiness.

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You know how it's not yes, atone mint, yes, yeah.
You know how it's not in theaction itself, the giving, but
in the feeling behind it.
So if you're paying someone whatthey think they owe you just to
get them off your back, forinstance, that's a different

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energy, that's a fearful energy.
But when you're extending tothem, you know, you're making
this a symbol.
This money that I'm paying youis a symbol.
Let this be a symbol of ourshared holiness, let's say.

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Let this be a symbolic of what asymbolic gesture of what's true,
a symbolic gesture that we'retotally valuable to God, and
that I'm sustained by the loveof God, and you're sustained by

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the love of God.
So this pushing around of money,it doesn't really mean anything.
So I don't mind if you think Iowe you a hundred or a thousand
dollars.
If it seems to be at mydisposal, and that's the way I
can in this instance expressthrough a symbol what it means

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to be loving, that's okay.
It can go like that.
I give my spirit free reign touse my body and my apparent
resources in whatever way is themost beneficial, and whatever

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way it does manifest is the mostbeneficial because of that.
It's always the most beneficial,anyways.
But when your intention is forit to be beneficial, you can see
it that way, and when you see itthat way, it is that way for

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you, and miracles are flowingthrough in an involuntary way.
A lot of miracles you may noteven know that you make, that
you allow, let's say.
The miracle is so natural, it'syour natural state of being.
It's only the blocks to thatthat prevent the miracle from

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occurring.
And remember what it means for amiracle to occur.
That's where you're recognizingthat this is a dream, you're
establishing that.
This is a dream, and none of itscontents are true.
That's the miracle because eachtime it's in the it's in the

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midst of there's real stuffhere.
The mind's constantly thinkingpast thoughts, which are
identifying things in the worldand what they mean, and all of
that.
So in each moment where there'sa recognition and establishing
in your mind that you'redreaming a dream, and none of

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this content has any meaning ortruth to it, that's a miracle.
See how they're not specific,they're so involuntary because
you're just recognizing thatthat thing has no meaning.

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And through recognizing thatthat particular thing, so it's
something small, right?
It's a little thing in yourlife, let's say, could be big to
you.
That refrigerator not workingtoday has no meaning.
This is what opens your mind,opens the way for miracles where
you perceive uh and youunderstand and know that this is

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a dream.
And that's from instant toinstant that changes.
So it's coming into this knowingconstantly by removing the
blocks to love.
Because as long as we'reperceiving a world where there
seems to be a sun outside ofourselves, I'm talking about the
one that hangs in the sky,apparently.
There seems to be a sun outsideof ourselves, we are perceiving

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past thoughts.
And those need to be brought tothe truth, recognized as
illusion.
This is very simple.
It's meant, it's it's justseparating what's created from
what is made.

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What's made is not eternal.
So, what's eternal from what'spassing away?
Everything that's passing awayis an illusion.
That's a feeling is also anillusion that's passing away.
But what's eternal, which wedon't see anything eternal here,
do we?
Everything's passing away.

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They say the sun is also passingaway.
After so many millions of years,it's gonna burn out, apparently.
The cosmos are passing away,everything's passing away that
we perceive here.
So, what's not passing away isawareness.
What's not passing away is yourability to experience and be the

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author of your experience.
That's the same in earth as itis in heaven, which is actually
again the same place.
One's just overlaid withillusion, but the same rule
still applies.
You can only see in in heaven,it's see it's seeing its true
sight, or perceive in illusionsthe effects of your thinking.

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In heaven, the reason why you'reseeing and it's true sight,
because these are your truethoughts.
Your true thoughts are not bornin separation, so the creations
that come from your truethoughts are eternal, they don't

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need to pass away becausethere's nothing wrong with them,
and your creations are love.
See, there can never be anythingwrong in creation,

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manifestation, on the otherhand, is proof of misperception,
and when you're embracing yourexperiences because you authored
them, because you wanted them,and you're using them to see

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through the illusion ofseparation, then you're
experiencing holiness, andthat's heaven, that's bringing
heaven to earth.
You see that?
Experiencing holiness isbringing heaven to earth.

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It's what they say, bringingheaven to earth.
It's actually making heaven morevisible through the layers of
illusion that has been overlaid,been superimposed on top of
reality.
Yes.
Heaven is a place on earth.

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Heaven can only be now.
One of the ego's biggest tricksis to make us believe that
heaven's coming after we die.
So that has us both afraid ofdeath and pursuing death at the

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same time.
That's how the ego works.
Has us pursuing what we don'twant.
Thinking that we want it.
And another ego thought arounddeath is that that's when you
get your rest.
Ah, thank goodness I don't haveto run in the world anymore.
I can die now.

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But the running doesn't stop.
That's why it's a trick.
The running doesn't stoppost-death.
No one's resting post-death.
It's not like that.
There's an illusion of heaventhat occurs based on your
beliefs.
That's how you see what youbelieved about the afterlife.

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There's an illusion that heavenoccurs, but it doesn't take too
long.
It doesn't take too long beforethe ego starts chasing again.
The ego chases you beyond deathand has you manifest more lives
so that the ego can continue tokill you as long as you would

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allow that.
As long as you would allow theuh world to be real for you.
As long as you would think it'sa good idea to keep both worlds,
keep the illusory world and keepheaven.

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What happens is you end upkeeping the illusory world as a
superimposition over heaven.
You keep having perceptions inthe world and not realizing that
they're coming from you.

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I think that's hilarious.
From some people, I hear uhwhat's what a great job our
president is doing, thepresident of the United States.
And from some people, I hearwhat a woman hater he is.

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All of this is coming from amind that believes in
separation, whether you knowit's he's doing anything that is
helping anyone in that kind ofcapacity like that, or hurting
anyone, he's not helping orhurting anyone.

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Whatever way anyone seems tomanifest is a hundred percent
helpful for us.
But when we don't see it ashealth helpful, we see it as a
problem.

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I see it as a call for lovewhenever it seems like anyone is
uh doing anything, or that mywell-being depends on anything
they do.
Let's put it that way.
It's thinking that ourwell-being or anyone's
well-being depends on what someperson in government is doing.

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And it's fun, it's it's funwitnessing how some people
believe the same person is likea savior to the country, the
savior to the United States ofAmerica.
Another group of people arebasically and relating to me so
I can see it too.
That's what makes it so fun.

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I love it.
It's it's my author.
I authored it like this, so Icould see, so I could see that
it's an illusion.
I apparently experience peopletelling me that he's so bad, and
in a way that they just expectme to believe and agree with

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that.
That's what I notice.
That's so fun, too, because Ilove it when it seems like
there's expectations on me.
I love that.
I love being able to demonstrateto my own own mind that I don't
need to give in to any of theseexpectations.

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I don't need to even pretendlike I agree with an idea of
what effect this person has onpeople.
It's my thinking that made himup and also the people telling

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me about him.
So they all are calls for love.
Will you look upon me truly?
And it's coming from my ownmind.

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Will you look upon me truly?
That's perfect for them,whatever they believe.
Whatever they're choosing tobelieve right now, that's
perfect for them.
That's the experience they'rehaving.
It's not one bit true.

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There's no one outside the mindof God.
There's not there's no one who'snot perfectly cared for for and
perfectly innocent.
A lot of people are in themental space of what should I

(01:55:02):
believe?
What's the most spiritual tobelieve?
That's why in spiritual circles,there's a lot of group think.
And I notice from going aroundto different spiritual
communities, it's totallyacceptable to be bashing the
president.

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Even though everything thatwe're studying and everything
that we're reading, andeverything like that when we're
reading together is saying theopposite.
It's saying everyone is the holyson of God.
And not recognizing how it hurtsour mind to assume that

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something that we perceiveoutside of ourselves is actually
out there making effects outsideof our mind.
See how when we recognize this,all these things like government
and all that kind of stuff, theway it's set up, the way we set
it up, becomes unnecessary.

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For me, I don't, I just don'tget the the sense that I'm
affected by it at all.
Since I authored it.
All the effects, all the seemingeffects are also coming from me.
It seems like, let's say, itseems like he made this law, and

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I don't know about anything likethis, anyways.
Uh, it seems to me he made thislaw, which makes it so that it's
really hard for me to get amassage.
He made massages illegal.
Jeez.

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I would just see that has nopower over me.
Even laws of the world, theyjust have no power over me.
I follow the law of God, andeverything works out.
The law of God is what?
Jesus left two commandments andsay them perfectly.
Love thy neighbor as thyself,and love the Lord thy God with

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all thy heart, all thy mind, andall thy spirit, and that these
two laws are the same.
These are one and the same.
So loving God is the same asloving your brother, or you can
say your neighbor, however, youwant to say it.
And loving God has to do withreceiving the love of God.

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See, that's the relationship.
God created you to bestow hislove on you so that you can
reflect that back to him.
That's the perfect happiness.
God bestows his love on you, andyou reflect it back to him in
gratitude.
That's creation.
That's why you've never stoppedcreating.

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And there's a whole world that'screated for you based on this
relationship.
God bestowing love on you, notbecause you've done anything to
make yourself worthy, butbecause you're his son.
You're his extension, you cansay.
There's no worthiness here.
It doesn't even make any sense.

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The whole purpose God createdyou was to bestow his love on
you so you would reflect it backto him and he could know himself
through this relationship.
There's no separation betweenyou and God.
In this dream, you are God'sessence.
Your awareness is it inrelationship with yourself.

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Your create to create like Godis to bestow love upon the Son
of God without having them earnit or prove to you that they're
even worthy of it.
And that all has to do with aninternal movement that is
seeing.

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That's seeing it, seeing pastthe illusions that we made.
That's how we bestow the love ofGod on each other.
And so we can feel the gratitudereflected back to us.
And it, you know, it doesn'tnecessarily originally come in
form.
Originally, when I startedpracticing this, I was not
getting reflections of gratitudeback from the form.

(01:59:31):
It did not look like that, but Icould feel the love of God.
I could feel the gratitudecoming straight from God to me,
right?
For the love that's extended tohis sons.
Now, God and me and the sons areall one mind.

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That's why it's creation.
Why it's divine reciprocity.
Whatever we give, we receiveinstantly.
If we give shame, we feelshameful.
If we give hatred, we feelhatred.
If we give truth, we're awarethat we are the truth.

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And that feels like perfecthappiness, and it makes dreaming
this dream so much fun.
If you're not having fun,there's something for you to see
in the unconscious, unwashedmind.
Because this is meant to be fun,like children playing and
enjoying the moment.

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Wayne said, I and my father areone.
I tattooed this on my shoulderto remember this.
Great.
Great.
I mean, a tattoo isn't exactlypracticing it, but it, you know,
it could be like a uh reminderif you look at your shoulder

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often.
Or is that for other people tosee?
I don't know.
But it's a matter of rememberingthis from moment to moment that
I and my father are one.
And all my father wants and allI want are exactly the same
thing.

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That's to extend love.
That's what makes me happy, andthat's what fulfills God's plan.
So, hooray, everyone! Thank youfor joining Wisdom Dialogues.
I'm so happy to be back withyou.
I love you.
Um, I'm gonna be back tomorrowinstead of Wednesday.
I'm gonna be back tomorrow, andthat's when I'm gonna do the

(02:01:47):
ACIM deep dive.
I might change it to an hourlater just because one of my
hosts seems to be working atthat time.
She forgot California time isdifferent from Arizona time now.
So I'll let you know over Zoomif I change that.
And of course, on Substack, I'lljust set it up for whatever time
it is.

(02:02:07):
So I'm gonna do uh just thisweek and next week while I'm
here in Bullhead City.
And then I'm going to probablytake a couple weeks off.
I'm gonna travel to Washington.
I'm gonna be in Bellingham,Washington.
I'm probably gonna go visitbrothers and sisters over in Las
Vegas, which I'm probably gonnahave a lot more stories after

(02:02:28):
that.
It's so fun.
Um, and then once I'm settled inBellingham, it looks like I
might be there for a littlewhile, maybe like six months,
maybe like five or six months.
And I'll get on a roll there andI'll start I'll start doing my
events twice a week.
One of them is gonna be onSunday.
One of my friends requestedSundays who's in that area.
And you know, I'm reallyflexible.

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Um, I don't have a big schedule.
Um just scheduling my wisdomtalks, basically, radio shows
that I might do.
I'm doing an event here whileI'm in Bullhead City.
I'm gonna um do it at this placecalled Venus Energy Center.
I'll record that and put it onpodcast.
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(02:03:10):
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extending it out more as theresources continue to come in.

(02:03:33):
Uh, you know, I justautomatically get inspired and
go, oh, I could do this with it.
I could do this, I can uh makethis uh make make these posts
now and and just kind of likeadd to it.
You know, I already have a lotof content.
It also occurred to me lastnight, gosh, I could just like
uh disappear from the publicview at any time.

(02:03:55):
I mean, I have a whole body ofwork that's just totally um
available on my website.
It's not like it's necessary forme to continue unless the
inspiration is there, and I justkind of like rested in that.
Hmm, how does that feel to justdrop from public and go

(02:04:20):
internal?
It really wouldn't make adifference, it's really no
difference.
If I'm listening to the HolySpirit, it's perfect, so I'm
always just leaving myself opento stuff like that, too.
It's really fun.
Yay! All right, Aikahi, thankyou so much for sharing your
selfless love and wisdom.

(02:04:40):
Oh, I appreciate you.
Oh, you haven't told me thatlately.
That's because I haven't beenaround you.
I love you.
Ah, thank you for all the love.
Hooray, Caitlin.
That was incredible as ever.
Perfect reminders of truth.
I love you.
I love you too.
And Wayne is giving a link tohis show, Let's Create Miracles,

(02:05:03):
on Sunday.
Um, that's Sunday, 10 a.m.
uh Hawaii time, and that goeslive on kkcr.org.
So you can click on kkcr.org tolisten in on that show when it
goes live.
So thank you very much,everyone.

(02:05:24):
I love you.
And until tomorrow, mahalo,aloha, and a hoo-e-hour.

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