Desert Joy, Real Acceptance, True Self | Wisdom Dialogues @ Sedona | October 13, 2025 - Hope Johnson's Wisdom Dialogues

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SPEAKER_03 (00:05):
Aloha and welcome to Wisdom Dialogues with Hope
Johnson coming to you fromSedona, Arizona.
Yeah.
Wisdom in the desert.

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Wherever I go, it's basicallywisdom dialogues because there's
not much of an interest in theactual particulars of the world,
except that they pertain toawakening.
And that makes them all so muchmore fun, anyways.

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It's like anything, any kind ofcircumstance can be taken in
joy.
And you know, if it's not takenin joy, too, that's to be
experienced.
You know, it's not like anythinghas gone wrong.
I mean, in a sense, you can say,yes, something went wrong

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because you listened to thewrong voice that got you there
to not feeling joyful.
Right?
You listen to the wrong voice.
And, you know, one of the thingsthe wrong voice might tell you
is that it's not good or it'snot spiritual to get a feeling
like you don't like something.

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Yeah.
And really, you know, that's notthe kind of acceptance that's
being called for.

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So I don't take that as meaningthat beans are somehow bad or
that people shouldn't be eatingbeans.
You know, it's it's all it's alljust witnessing what it is

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that's arising without ajudgment about it.
Right?
It's not like people who likebeans are somehow bad.
You know, of course, you couldturn that into something like
beans are bad, but noticing whatyou seem to not like and

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accepting yourself in thepresent moment as you are in the
present moment is what actuallylets changes affectuate through
you.
See, so it's not making youresistant to the experience by

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saying that you have to likethis experience.
Like let's say it's a job, likeyou're saying you have to like
this job, or let's say it's arelationship dynamic, and it's
like saying you have to likethis relationship dynamic.

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No, it's not saying that, that'snot the kind of acceptance.
Accepting yourself as you arewith the apparent dislike
actually lets you feel that sothat change can effectuate
through you.

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See, you don't have to try to beyour true self.
You've probably heard from me,and you've probably uh heard it
other places too, that your trueself doesn't have likes or
dislikes, and that is stilltrue.

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That's the truth.
Your true self does not havelikes or dislikes, and truly
neither the neither do you,because you are your true self.
It's just that when likes anddislikes arise, it tends to be
confusing, especially thedislikes, they tend to be

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confusing because there's as ifyou're supposed to change that
instead of just experience it,experience that dislike without
following thoughts that tell youthat it's about that situation.

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That situation can still change,whatever it may be, and probably
will, but through your awarenessthat it never had any power over
you in the first place.

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See, otherwise, you just replaythe same situations, you might
get another job, and it justreplays the same situations, and
it gives you that idea in yourmind like it's all just the
same, it's all just the samesituation, the same sad
situation.
Doesn't everyone hate their job?
And then you get friends whoalso say the same thing, and
everyone gets around and doesthat.

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It's not saying, you know,accept that this is just the way
it is, because this is not theway it is, the way it is is
projected.
You are who you are in thepresent moment, just being
present to whatever it is that'sarising within you, you're being

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helpful.
This is the true mind'svocation.
There's really no other reasonfor even manifesting in form.
You know it's all based onbelief.

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So as long as you believe thatyou need this job, let's say, or
need this partnership, let'ssay, as long as you believe that
you need those things, you'regonna manifest evidence that
your belief is true.

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It's like they need you for thestatus you gave them.
You prop them up like that.
Well, when you look ateverything as relationship,
let's say whether it's a job orit's a some kind of dynamic,
like a romantic dynamic orparent, child, or sibling or

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something like that, all of itis really for seeing more truth
about ourselves.
That's all it's for.
So instead of putting theseother conditions on relating,
noticing what it's for, and youknow, a big part of that is

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seeing the sinlessness withineach other.
And you know, the more you getto know a person, the more you
hang around with them, the morelikely it is that you see mirror
reflections of yourself, partsthat you don't like.
You know, that's not uhsomething to be ignored.

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You just notice, oh, look howthat feels.
That's something that feels likeuh it's judgment or something
like that.
And then the thought itself willleave you alone.
The feeling will soften up andthe whole thing will kind of
leave you alone.

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Because it needs uh it needs anemotional dynamic coming from
you to keep it going, to keepthe train of thought going.

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Otherwise, it's just seen asmeaninglessness, nothingness,
not something to fight, notsomething to argue against, but
just something to smile at andgo, oh, that's not true.

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Okay, let's see.
What are we saying here?
I believe I need to have a roofover my dad and a plan to have a
roof over my head.
Okay, what fun! Well, that'sawesome.
Look how powerful you are tomake that appear like it's true,

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right?
You're saying I believe I needthis.
That's awesome.
Recognizing that and feel theeffects of that belief because
the fat the belief has feelingeffects, and you know, the
belief itself is uh it'schallenging.

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Let's say it's challenging theidea uh that you're sustained by
the love of God and your dad'ssustained by the love of God,
and that you don't have toconcern yourself with this
stuff.
But when you really believe thatyou do have to concern yourself
with this stuff, that's whathappens.

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So you don't have to try tochange that all of a sudden.
You just you keep on bringingthese things to the truth as you
find yourself going through yourapparent life, as you find
yourself doing the working, andthe thought occurs to you.
It's it's like hypnosis.

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Notice that.
It occurs over and over again.
It's like a spiral, it'sspiraling around.
So when it comes back around,when it keeps on coming around
like that, notice you can startdispelling it slowly but surely
in a gentle way, allowing somegentleness for yourself.

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See, these are not gentlethoughts that are saying this,
that are putting any kind ofpressure on you.
Um, so bringing it to the truth,simply, simple truth.
I am sustained by the love ofGod.
That can only always be thetruth, and they are sustained by
the love of God.

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So, in noticing that's absolutetruth and letting that apparent
truth just be what it is.
Accept yourself in thatperception, in that
interpretation that you'remaking of the energy.

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Now, do I are you saying no, doI dispel it?
I don't know what you're saying.
How do I dispel it, maybe?
Yeah, you dispel it by denyingmeaning or truth to the actual
thoughts, but you're feeling theeffect of the belief.

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Feel the effect of it.
It goes like this belief,feeling effects, thoughts.
An outer manifestation.
The body's made of thought,everything's made of thought.

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So by feeling, by opening up,okay, how, yeah.
By opening up to the feelingeffect of the belief, you're
intersecting awareness into thepresent moment.
It's like you're bringingawareness into the present

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moment.
Every time that thought crossesyour mind, there's a feeling,
there's a particular feeling.
Every thought has a a feelingand a breath pattern as well.

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So notice how it feels.
Feel the effect of that belief,and that's how you dispel the
belief.
The thoughts, a thought thatsays, This, I have to do
something.
You, you know, one of thelessons in a course in miracles,

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one of my favorite ones, youneed do nothing.
It's only when you areidentified as an ego where it
seems like you need to dosomething.
You need do nothing.
All things that you seem to doare only being done
automatically through you,according to the balance of love

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and fear choices that led up tothe moment.
It's so fun.
Right, just letting yourselfhave whatever experience it,
whatever experience you seem tobe having, and accepting it as

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it is, the way you're reactingto the experience, not the
external circumstance.
You actually don't need toaccept the external circumstance
because it's just changeful,anyways.
Just accept that you're, youknow, you're getting a sense

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that you don't like it.
That's awesome.
That's not going to be a problemfor you unless you also believe
that you can't change it.
Everything is changeful.
The whole thing is changeful.
You can't change it by controlor force.

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But you command everythingthrough love, and that's a
that's what changes everything.
You're not gonna force anotherperson to be a certain way that
you think you want them to be.
It's not like that.

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But you know, you can feelunified with them.
You can feel unified witheveryone, even if they don't
want to walk forward in truth.
And you can feel it in a waythat they can feel it too.

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Even if they don't accept itright away, it's like they know
that you love them, and youwould be uplifting toward them
because you see them as theircreated.
When you're willing to seeyourself as your created, that

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means you're just allowingeverything to be as it is.
You automatically extend that topeople when you're intolerant of
yourself, you automaticallyproject intolerance onto other
people, and they can feel that.

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I know some of you are probablysaying to yourself, there are no
other people.
That's true, there's only one ofus.
We're rediscovering our glorythrough relating with one
another.

SPEAKER_00 (17:14):
That's a picture of holy relationship.

SPEAKER_03 (17:16):
That's a picture of holy relationship, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (17:19):
What do you mean?
Hearing about others and uhaccepting yourself, your own
feelings about the situation,and accepting that's that's holy
relationship.
It's a relationship witheverything, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (17:31):
In one holy relationship with everything.
That's what Thomas was talkingabout.
So it's like the perception thatwe're having is what we're
relating with.
The perception we're having iswhat we're relating with as
consciousness, like we're we'reas consciousness in this dream,

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relating with thought andthought forms which are thought,
and largely we're relating withthoughts that have gone astray
from source, right?

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They're based on a thought ofseparation, the way Jesus put it
in one of the clarifications inA Course in Miracles, I think it
was called What is the World?
And it was about the ego'sworld.
What is the world?
He was saying that the wholeworld is based on error.

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Nothing we think we see there isactually there.
It's based on an error calledseparation, and it didn't
happen, the separation didn'thappen.
Of course, uh, when you join meon Wednesday, you're gonna see
where it says in A Course inMiracles, it's the separation

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did happen.
It's fun how it's like thatbecause later on in A Course in
Miracles, it's the separationdidn't happen.
It's uh not in the words, it'scertainly not in the words, they

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can only be used as pointers.
So uh Kalama, if you have anyquestions about dispelling these
illusions, an illusion thatdenies the foundational law that

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you're sustained by the love ofGod.
Thoughts that deny that law,that truth.
You know, first we believed inscarcity, and then we made a

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world that seems to have lack.
Now that we made a world thatseems to have lack, we have a
choice.
We don't have to believe thatwhat we perceive as far as lack
is actually there.

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Because reason would tell us,reason would tell us that we
just made that up.
Look, I'll say it again.
Just because we can makeillusions of lack out of belief

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that scarcity is real does notmean that the lack is actually
there.
Is it actually there to us?
Yes.
If we're getting a perception oflack, it seems real.
We can't afford such and such orwhatever the story is.

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It seems really real.
Do you want to dispel that?
If you do, yay, let's do it.
So when it comes up that there'sany kind of lack, look, notice
how you feel.
That's the effect of believingscarcity is real.

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It's not really the circumstancethat you're perceiving in the
world that's making you feelthis sense of lack.
It's actually the belief thatscarcity is real.
And then that gives you thoughtsabout something in the field
that seems like it's provingthat it's true.

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Like you're like, yeah, I justdon't have enough money for
rent.
So uh this doesn't mean that youshould quit your job or
something.
This doesn't even, you don'teven have a choice in that.
It doesn't really matter.
It's nothing to be afraid of.
This is nothing to be afraid of.
Let me just say that.

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If you find yourself going towork, you're like, man, if I
didn't believe that I neededthis money, I wouldn't fucking
be going to work.
I can see that.
That's belief in scarcity.
See, it makes you do, it makesyou express like that.
That's what it does.
So to dispel it, it's always inthe present moment.

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It's whenever it's coming up.
It says something like, oh myGod, I have to support such and
such, myself or other people, orsomething like that.
That's exactly where you bringawareness.
Recognize that you're you'remaking an illusion true.

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You're only getting theperception that there's any kind
of pressure on you,responsibility, uh, obligation,
right?
Even the obligation to take careof yourself, right?
You're only projecting any ofthose kinds of things on
yourself based on an underlyingbelief, kind of like a secret

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belief that scarcity is real.
So if you allow yourself to getrelieved of that delusional idea
and allow yourself to feel thepeace underneath it, that's
dispelling the thought.
She got it.

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Yay! I am sustained by the loveof God.
Yes.
Okay, did I answer yourquestion?
She says, after after we notice,then what?
Yes, dispel.
Because, you know, if you lookat it like this, like every word
is a spell, whether it'sthought, just thought in your
mind or spoken out of yourmouth, or anyone else anytime

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you hear a word, it's a spell,right?
It's a it's like a for a lot ofus, it's a hypnosis that we just
repeat over and over and overagain.
And it just keeps us lulled intothis idea that time is passing,
we're all getting old, right?

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Even songs.
It's a really good Stevie Nicksong.
Everyone's getting older, andI'm getting older too.

SPEAKER_02 (24:41):
Fuck, we're just hypnotizing ourselves all day.

SPEAKER_01 (24:46):
Yeah, climbed the mountain and turned around.

SPEAKER_03 (24:56):
It's ridiculous.

SPEAKER_01 (24:58):
She saw her reflection.

SPEAKER_03 (25:01):
Yeah, so so look, it doesn't matter what you see in
the mirror, what you see inother people.
You get the sense people areaging, you're aging, all that
other stuff.
It's a matter of to just spellthis whole aging thing.
It's a matter of looking at it,knowing that it is an

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unreasonable thought.
And very important, feeling theeffects of it.
So you know it's a thought youdon't want.
Recognizing how you actuallywant to feel is super helpful in
watching your mind, because thenyou can know this thought

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doesn't give me what I want tofeel.
This is not bitching.
This is not a bitching thought,must not be true, right?
Um, but you're not denying thefeeling, it's moment in the sun,
you can say, you can say it'smoment of the sun in the sun,
actually dispels its cause,right?

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You don't want to try to changeyour feelings, you want to
dispel the ones that are causedby fear, and anything less than
gratitude caused by fear.
Yay! That's good to know.
So it's like it's like this likeI can dislike beans as a food

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that I want to eat and stillfeel gratitude for the beans.

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But knowing that I dislike thatin a dream, see, that's the
thing, it's in a dream, it's nota big deal.
It's not to be run from either.
Knowing that I dislike that,it's automatically moves my
experience closer to that whichis most enjoyable.

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And the other part that Inoticed too is there's way less
disliking in the first place.
In fact, when I was in Mexicoand I was out at a really nice
restaurant, and I asked for nobeans.
So the chef came out and hesaid, You don't like my beans?

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And I'm like, Don't take itpersonally.
I don't like any beans.
Beans are just not my thing.
So then the sweetie I was therewith goes, I want to try your
beans.
Bring out a side of beans.
So they came out and I go, Igotta try this fucker's beans.
I never saw someone, I never sawsomeone so passionate about

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their beans that they'd come outto your table when you asked for
no beans on your plate and askyou what your problem is with
their beans.
So for one, I asked him what hecooks them in, and he said lard.
And I said, Oh, well, Idefinitely appreciate that.
You know, I love it whenrestaurants cook in lard or palm

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oil or anything like that.
Um, so I tasted them and I waslike, oh my goodness, these are
so good.
I started eating the beans, Ijust started eating the cup of
beans.
I can't, I'm like, I can'tbelieve it.
I am eating beans, it's amazing.
Um, but it showed me there's noreal truth to anything that

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we're perceiving.
You know, I didn't go out andstart eating a bunch of beans
after that, but I just noticedwow, it's just all a game, it's
just all for play.
And we just enjoy, we can justenjoy.
We don't have to make any kindof rules or anything, like, oh,

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I'm always gonna hate beansbecause I didn't like them
before or something like that.
Let's see, someone who's tryingto develop a spiritual persona,
which you know, it's it happens,but it's like a really hard way
to go.

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Uh someone so who's trying todevelop a personal, uh, like a
personal spiritual person isgonna be looking at these
things, gonna likely be lookingat these things like I have to
be in acceptance.
I have to.
Like everything.
Right.

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It's actually quite contrary tothat because you're getting a
sense of the contrast, theliking and not liking, and being
able to in the present momenttrust how it is that you feel.
You know, it's like after I hadsome more experiences about the
beans in that restaurant, Istarted to feel open to beans.

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You know, it's like when you'reand when you're present to the
moment, basically, that whatthat means is that you're open
in your body's energy field tofeeling your experience and not
in a state of resistance.
See?
So when you're present and openin the moment, you can always

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trust how you feel.
That's the direction to go.
It's like, oh, now I feel liketasting his beans since he's so
passionate about them.
Okay, I got a question here.

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Would the opportunity to use theholy instant as another way to
dispel discomfort?
Okay, so what you're not whatyou're trying to do, it's not
what you're trying to do, dispeldiscomfort.
What you're dispelling is thebelief, the underlying belief.

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It's a belief made of thought,something saying that there's
scarcity, that scarcity is true.
While there's a discomfortarising, let that be.
You know, one way I like todescribe it, and Thomas was
bringing this up just the otherday, is holy fire.

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It's like you just stand in it,you just stay in it, feel what
that feels like, notice whatthoughts are arising that are
trying to be true, and denymeaning to those thoughts.
Those thoughts are not true,they're just perpetuating this
feeling, giving it an apparentreason why it's justified.

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It's not really justified byanything because it's not
justified by anything real, butto see what appears to be the
justification is to undo it.

SPEAKER_01 (32:39):
The purification is feeling the sensations of the
thought.

SPEAKER_03 (32:44):
Yes, you you might say, Diana just said the
purification is feeling thesensations of the thought.
You might have heard somemasters talk about uh going
through your own suffering, likegoing through a period of uh of
where you just see what you'rewhat's causing you to suffer,

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and you let that be released,right?
You just you just notice, okay,here's another opportunity,
something's coming up, showingme I'm believing in this thing,
so it's causing some suffering.
It's so nice.
Because every upset feeling thatcomes up, you're like, yeah,

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instead of, no, I don't want it.
You got all this purpose now,and it's not this purpose to
change anything, not to changeanything about the world, not to
change anything about yourself.

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That's what really gives you theability to hold a space of
peace, right?
Holding a space of peace is justa matter of being at peace
within your mind, no matter whatis arising.

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A part of your mind is alreadythere, so it's really awareness
of it.
It's awareness that that's howit is.
You just stay in peace, youcontinue on the lap of God, you
continue staying on uh the lapof love, you could say, no

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matter what seems to be arising.
Someone brought up tired theother day.
They said they're so tired,right?
And tired is just only right onthe surface.
What's observing tired, what'switnessing it, what's
experiencing it, is never tired.

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The fact it's taking a lot ofenergy just to make the
appearance of tired.
See, the appearance of energizedis actually closer to the truth,
so it takes less energy to makethat illusion than it does to

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make the appearance that you'retired.
You have to believe in thingsabout yourself to make yourself
have the appearance of tired andbe upholding those beliefs.
A lot of the times what peoplewill do is their mind will go
back on the day, the nightbefore.

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Uh, you know, I've had a lot ofpractice with that because I've
had a lot of times where mysleeping is like sometimes two
hours a night, sometimes fourhours a night.
It's been uh it's been like thatmany times.
It's not like that right now.
I'm sleeping a lot right now,which is pretty unusual for the
moment, but who knows?
Maybe a trend is starting.

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But, anyways, the ego would popin and go, You're tired because
you slept two hours or somethinglike that.
And you know, that's the perfectkind of thought to use right
there.
There it is, right there.
It's always just giving you it'sso easy.
There, there's the ego rightthere.

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Sure, it seems like there was alast night that's affecting
right now, but that's not reallytrue.
You know, just this gentlenoticing of that.
You guys see that?
We just keep on undoing theirtheir uh power that we gave to

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them.
Some of that power is taken backevery time.
There's just noticing.
Oh, I'm making this up.
There is no last night, there'sno reason for me to be tired
right now, except that I'mbelieving thoughts that make me
into an illusion.
They take the power God gave meaway, they say that I am not as

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God created me.
Right, Glenn?
And that's the only thing thatmakes us get the sense that
we're tired.
That's not to say that's a badthing to get the sense that
you're tired.
I mean, I I love that feeling atnight where it's like, oh, oh

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yeah, I feel like laying down ina bed and just yeah, that sounds
good.
And that feeling of like uhheaviness and all that.
Love it up, fucking enjoy it.

SPEAKER_01 (37:49):
How much we resist laying down when we just need to
lay down.

SPEAKER_03 (37:52):
How yeah, Diana's saying how much there's
resistance to laying down whenyou could just be laying down.
All right, who said you had tobe up?

SPEAKER_01 (38:11):
Who told you?
You're supposed to be talkingabout this.
I was also reflecting on thatawareness of excitement and fear
just being similar energy, andhow much of the conditioning is
to resist excitement too.

SPEAKER_03 (38:25):
Resist excitement too, yes.
Yes.
So so Diana's saying she'snoticing how excitement and fear
are really similar energies, andyou know, that brings up uh a
memory in myself with KundaliniYoga.
Uh, one of the teachers wouldoften say that fear is really

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excitement without the breath.
Well, I guess he would often saythat because I would play the
same C D again and again.

SPEAKER_02 (39:00):
Your own inner C D.

SPEAKER_03 (39:03):
Yeah, that was in the CD era, that was a while
ago, but, anyways, uh fear isexcitement without the breath,
and there's fear of excitementtoo, like it's gonna be too
much.
Like, oh, this is too much, andpeople are always thinking about

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the future.
It's like fuck, there is nofuture except for what we're
making right now, right?

SPEAKER_01 (39:38):
Like, you're it seems so formidable.

SPEAKER_03 (39:41):
I know it's like you're having fun.
Let's say you're having fun withthe person, you're dating them,
you're fucking having a greattime and everything, and then
your mind goes to 10 yearslater, and it's like, how is
this gonna be 10 years later?
It's like, who gives a fuck?
How is it right now?
Like, what are you what are wetalking about here?
What do you mean what what kindof stories are we making?

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Who knows what's going on in 10years?
This could last six months orsix minutes.
You better enjoy it, Fucca.
All right, let's see what I havewhat do I have here?

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Such as illnesses.
Okay, what do you mean, Durga?
Tell me what you mean.
Welcome, lovelies.
Thank you for joining.
I love you.
Yeah, ill all illness is adefensiveness, it's a sign of
defensiveness.
So it's not a bad thing.

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Perceiving illness, it's not abad thing, just like any other
experience.
You want to get the full feelingeffect of it.
You know, all it is really isdefensiveness.
It's being defensive against thetruth.
That's what sickness is.
You know, it's uh not beingtruthful with yourself about

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your feelings, not beingaccepting of your feelings,
tolerant of your own feelings.
It's like you could look at itlike this, too, just to
depersonalize it.
You know, I'm I'm referencingyour own feelings.

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These aren't really, they're notreally your feelings, they're
kind of your feelings in a waythat you're projecting them onto
yourself.
And when you're present to yourown feelings, these feelings
that you're projecting ontoyourself, you're aware of
direction.

(41:56):
You could be aware of directionthat way.
Oh, that doesn't no, thatdoesn't feel like what I'm being
called to do, what I'm beingcalled to eat, what I'm being
called to drink.
It's easy like that.
Not going into the concepts, theworldly concepts about things.

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Should I, someone was asking me,should I stay with this person
or not?
Should I trust them?
I go, don't fucking trust aperson like that.
That is not how.
That's not true trust.
Right?
True trust is whatever thatperson seems to do, even if they
seem to tell you a million lies,they're bringing a gift.

(42:46):
That's true trust.
I totally trust all of mybrothers who are one with me.
She's like, should I trust himand keep going in this
relationship?
Man, you don't have to make anyof those, even even it make any
of those decisions.
And you don't make thosedecisions.

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That's a that's a thing to see.
You don't make those decisions.

SPEAKER_01 (43:11):
And I'm hearing you need to trust yourself to feel
what you need to feel.

SPEAKER_03 (43:16):
Trust yourself, Diana's saying she's hearing
that you need to trust yourselfto feel what you want to feel.
You know, this is this, yeah,it's trusting, and it's being an
uh uh uh uh an example foryourself that it's okay to feel
anything.

(43:37):
It's totally okay.
It's it's and and not only that,if you're not feeling it, if
you're resisting the feeling,really what you're doing is
you're resisting life.
So what happens is things seemstuck in that case.

SPEAKER_01 (43:54):
Something that helped me recently was talking
about it in a conflict way, isthat you don't let the senses
basically identify and interpretthe story of the emotion, but
merge with the emotion, youknow.
So it really is just anger.

SPEAKER_03 (44:14):
Anger, yes.
So it's helpful when it arises,yeah, because it's a doorway,
anger, fear, whatever.
What if it's helpful?

SPEAKER_01 (44:24):
Look at it like that, and it changes that I've
got disassociating for uhresistance, it's now turning
into love of resistance in myown film, love of resistance,
turning into love of resistance.

SPEAKER_03 (44:42):
Yeah, that's the way to embrace it.
There's resistance, notice it,there's tension.

SPEAKER_01 (44:50):
Good, there's something here.

SPEAKER_03 (44:56):
Notice it, notice the resistance, it's tension.
Also, notice this all aging iscaused by resistance, right?
So to soften is the direction togo in.
Just keep softening, softenright around the resistance,

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love it up.
Okay, the examples of witnessingtiredness is this the same
process as witnessing illness.
Okay, let's see.
Witnessing tiredness.
So you get the sense thatthere's tired, like, oh, just
like ah, relax.
Yeah.
So witnessing illness.

(45:37):
Okay, there's something aboutwitnessing illness that I
noticed that goes on, and it's athought that says, this is just
gonna get worse, for instance.
It's downhill from here.
Let me plan for the worstsickness I've ever fucking seen.
I hope I don't get sick.
Same thing.

(46:00):
So, yeah, there's there's thatkind of stuff to watch out for
with illness.
It's funny like that because youknow, it'll start planning and
noticing wow, that symptom is adefense against the truth.
Whenever I just notice any kindof symptom of sickness, that's

(46:21):
symptom, all it is, is it's adefense against the truth, it's
not anything that it seems tobe.
And I don't know, I have noticednot getting the sense that I'm
sick for I don't know how manyyears.
But then on the other hand,whenever I'm called to hibernate

(46:44):
and just stay still and bestill, I seem to do that without
resistance, without going, I'mtoo busy for that.
So it's like when the HolySpirit is calling me to have
some alone time and be in alistening phase, I don't need to

(47:06):
get the perception that I'm sickin order for that to happen.
That's also a great big part ofit.
You know, if it if it seems likewe're too busy to take time for
the spirit, we'll automaticallymanifest some kind of an

(47:29):
illusion that'll make it be likenow you don't have a choice,
you're gonna make time for thespirit.
I mean, I've certainlymanifested things like that for
myself many times, you know, andand and I was gentle with
myself, I didn't make it likethere was something wrong with

(47:51):
me for manifesting sickness orfor instance manifesting falling
off a cliff, right?
I didn't make it like somethingwas wrong with me.
Let's go.
It's manifesting a defenseagainst the truth.
Let me see.
Uh well, all I want throughevery experience is to see more

(48:13):
clearly, you know, and restdeeper, knowing the truth more.
So it doesn't need to go anyparticular way for me.
I'm gonna be happy no matterwhat.
I'm happy even when it seemslike I don't like something.

(48:41):
Same thing if it seems like youdon't like a person.
It's not them, it's not aboutthem.
It doesn't mean you need to tryto go to lunch with them.
I might do that just because I'mcurious.
I think it's weird when I don'tlike a person.

SPEAKER_02 (49:06):
It seems like I don't like a person.
I'm like, let me see how I canget around them and check this
shit out.
What is this?

SPEAKER_01 (49:15):
What are all these dislikes?

SPEAKER_03 (49:17):
Yeah.
Hey, you seem like you want touse me, abuse me, and then throw
me to the side.
Let me check this out just for alittle while.

SPEAKER_01 (49:34):
That's a good point because many people do end up
kind of allowing it'sself-abuse.
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (49:43):
Well, you know, if you it Diana's saying, you know,
it's a good point because somepeople are allowing this kind of
self-abuse.
And you know, it's awesome ifyou know that you're the one
doing it, right?
Because then you can be way moreplayful with it.
It's like, okay, well, I'm gonnasay no to this at a certain

(50:07):
point, but right now I'mchecking it out.
Like you know, you're gonnaautomatically say no to it at a
certain point, you're gonna getyour feel of it, whether it's in
this lifetime or not.

SPEAKER_02 (50:23):
And then you're gonna go, okay, that was fun.
Thank you for playing.
That's enough.

SPEAKER_03 (50:33):
But when you get caught up blaming, like you just
didn't call forth that dynamicwith that person, then there's
no gratitude.
How could there be gratitudewithout knowing that you called
it forth?
If it seems like it's somethingthat you didn't want, like

(50:53):
something uh happened, theytreated you or they were away,
or whatever that you didn'twant.
What's gonna happen there isself-judgment unless there's
awareness that you're callingforth that person to play that
dynamic for you, and they'redeserving of nothing less than

(51:18):
your gratitude.
They're loving you, whateverthey seem to be doing.
And when that happens in yourmind, that transformation occurs

(51:39):
in your mind that whatever seemsthey seem to have done, whatever
they seem to have said, youknow, this could be a parent or
anything was uh was hurtful, wastraumatic for you, or anything
like that.
Extending love to them reallyhelps you see willingness to

(52:04):
recognize their sinlessness inthe whole thing really helps you
to see yourself.
You want to see yourself assinless, and you're given all
these opportunities byperceiving people, mirror
reflections of yourself asopportunities to extend what's

(52:31):
true, extend the sinlessnessthat we all are whenever it
seems like you can't do thattoo, it comes back to accept

(52:52):
yourself.
Recognize I keep holding on tothis resistance about this
person, it's not really aboutthis person, that's another
thing to recognize, and it'sperfectly great.

(53:17):
Let me see what gifts comethrough this experience.
There's no moment where you haveto go to sleep in your
illusions.
You go to sleep, you getnightmares.
Kind of like a Freddie Kruegermovie, but it's not that

(53:39):
violent, probably.
You go to sleep, you getnightmares.
You don't need to do that.
Stay awake to the truth, even ifyou seem to be withholding love,
that needs to be met with youracceptance.

(54:05):
Okay, that's what it is.
I'm withholding love.
Be honest.
Who am I holding who am Iwithholding love from?
Myself.
I'm withholding love frommyself.
I'm telling myself there's aperson out there who's unworthy
of love.
And then be in acceptance ofthat.

(54:28):
It's not gonna last.
That's something you can do aslong as you want.
You can uphold illusions andmake yourself feel like you're
less.
Some people like to do itsporadically, just every once in

(54:50):
a while, to remind themselvesthat they are less.
Okay, it's time for me to runthat program again because I'm
getting too holy over here.
I need to let myself know thatI'm less again.
Run a program.

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You're so unlimited that you canmake yourself appear limited to
yourself.
Take that as the truth and thenmake examples of it.
So now you take those examplesthat you made and you deny
meaning to them because they'remeaningless examples.

(55:37):
Because they're made on ameaningless spot, it's a
meaningless example.
People present to me, they'relike, hey, hope, look, uh, look
around.
Isn't everyone getting older?
It's like, apparently,apparently, we're upholding a
belief that says that this isinevitable, and we keep on
hypnotizing each other with it,and we keep on pointing to the

(56:00):
evidence that's really evidenceof nothing.
It's really evidence of ameaningless thought.

SPEAKER_01 (56:09):
Okay, I got one.

SPEAKER_03 (56:10):
You got a meaningless thought?
Yeah, what is it?

SPEAKER_01 (56:13):
I need some help with.
Okay, I've been thinking abouthow much the Catholic Church
gave me that conditioning, oryou know, I decided to, I guess
I uh I wanted to see the effectsof belief in unworthy or sin in

(56:36):
the Catholic paradigm.

SPEAKER_03 (56:38):
You were conditioned in the Catholic Church, is what
you're saying.
Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_01 (56:42):
And I kind of resisted the word God for a
long, long time.

SPEAKER_03 (56:47):
She resisted the word God for a long time.
That's fun.

SPEAKER_01 (56:51):
And now I'm realizing oh, there's still this
hidden effect of you're arrogantif you say you're God.

SPEAKER_03 (56:58):
Oh, fun.
Okay, that's fun.
So she's saying you're arrogantif you say that you are God.
All right, awesome.

SPEAKER_01 (57:09):
It's just a thought.
Thank you.

SPEAKER_02 (57:12):
That's all you do.
You want he wanted that to airon wisdom dialogue.

SPEAKER_03 (57:18):
Yeah, love it.
No, I'm just playing with you,it's perfect.
Uh, so she's saying she's noteven talking about she's saying
she was conditioned to to thisGod that's like probably in

(57:38):
Catholicism, it's a terribleGod, he's all frightening and
punishing and everything likethat.
So then she's been resistant tohearing the word God and what
loving God.

SPEAKER_01 (57:52):
Well, I would say that was probably 20 years of
like God.

SPEAKER_03 (57:56):
Oh, yeah, not even wanting to hear the word God.

SPEAKER_01 (58:00):
Yeah, and then it was like going into the Hindu
God, God, God, God, there's God,yeah, there's God, there's God,
yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (58:09):
Well, you know, you also don't want to let the ego
get a hold of the thought, I amGod, right?
Yeah, yeah, that's that's athing.
Oh, good, okay.
So that's so that's where we'regoing with that.
I love it.
So, yes, so the ego loves thatthought, I am God as well.
So, one thing that puts it intoperspective is God is the

(58:32):
creator, and you are created,created, see that?
So now your all of your might,all of your strength, all of
your sustenance, it comes fromyour creator.
Nothing that you make isactually true because your

(58:54):
creator created you.
So the self that you made is nota reality, right?
So that's how to see it in thisperspective.
I am God.
It's kind of like God is thesun, and I'm a ray of the sun.
I'm a distinct abstraction, uh,created eternal as a thought of

(59:17):
God.

SPEAKER_01 (59:19):
It's interesting, like there feels like it's
conceptual.
That's that's probably what I'mtrying to say.

SPEAKER_03 (59:32):
It's conceptual.
You don't feel like you're a uhcreation.
Is that what you're saying?

SPEAKER_01 (59:45):
It's like you know, you are a drop in the ocean, you
know, all those uh creation.

SPEAKER_03 (59:49):
Yeah, so you don't really feel that.

SPEAKER_01 (59:52):
Yeah.
Yeah, that's very interesting.

SPEAKER_03 (59:56):
Yeah, so forgiveness helps you to feel that more and
more.
Forgiveness totally helps you tofeel that.
You know how to do forgiveness.

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:07):
Well, maybe you want to tell me the form or
something.

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:11):
It's different every time I say it.
You know, you just have to kindof like get a knack for it,
right?

SPEAKER_04 (01:00:16):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:17):
Yeah.
It's just it's exactly whatwe've been talking about this
whole time where you feel theeffects of the belief, right?
But you don't make the beliefinto a true thing.
So, for instance, let's say youget what do you want to use?

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:35):
God is out there.

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:37):
God is out there.
Okay, so let's say you get thesense God is out there.
God is not in here.
What does that feel like?
Notice it in the body's energyfield.

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:53):
I think it's just showing up as resistance.

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:56):
Yeah, so she's saying it's showing up as
resistance.
So it's she's noticing now whatit feels like in the body's
energy field to think thethought God is out there.
Right now, see if you can get adifferent interpretation.
Ask sincerely for a differentinterpretation and see what

(01:01:17):
feeling arises.
Look for feeling.
She's laughing.
Exactly.
That's what I'm saying.
That's it.
Right.
Yeah.
So that's it.
That's forgiveness.

(01:01:39):
If you did it right, you'll belaughing.
So just keep doing it.
Yes.
Yeah, keep doing it until youget it right.
You're laughing, you got itright.
Right?
So, so see how see how simplethat is?
There's a thought, and thatthought's coming from an
underlying belief that you'reseparate from God, right?

(01:02:00):
And then there's this, there's asense in the body's energy
field.
You noticing that you do notlike that feeling lets you ask
for a different interpretation,a feeling that you like.
And this is dispelling illusion,or you can call it forgiveness.
It's the way to healing.
It's a it is the way to healing.

SPEAKER_01 (01:02:22):
Uh, forgiveness, feeling a way to healing.

SPEAKER_03 (01:02:25):
Yeah, feeling and healing.
So, so forgiveness inducesmiracles.
Miracles establish in your mindthat you're dreaming a dream and
none of it's true.
And that's just like boom.
Yeah.
I love miracles.
I love to have them go on allday long.
That's my favorite.

SPEAKER_01 (01:02:43):
And then I just see why you're looking for what will
disturb you.

SPEAKER_02 (01:02:52):
Do not Diana said she sees why I'm looking for
something to disturb me.

SPEAKER_03 (01:03:00):
What can disturb?
Let me see.
Let me go on Facebook and see ifanyone's saying anything
disturbing over there.
Sometimes I can get somethinggoing.

SPEAKER_02 (01:03:16):
Get a disturbance going.

SPEAKER_03 (01:03:23):
Right.
If you know that every upsetfeeling is going to be a doorway
to a deeper sense of clarity andpeace, wouldn't you be excited
about it too?
Right?
You just get excited about this.
Oh, the thought that God is outthere and I don't feel God.
And then all of a sudden she'slaughing.
That's your that's how you knowshe now she's feeling God.

(01:03:46):
That's it.

SPEAKER_01 (01:03:48):
Well, and I'm I'm transferring that into the
purifying fire, too, is theyeah, seeing that as the
resistance turns into thepurifying fire of the emotions,
like wow.

SPEAKER_03 (01:04:02):
Yeah, you can see how you just set it up like a
wall of thought.
You can see how it feels, right?
And so what the ego would haveyou do is run around on the
surface trying to find out howto break through that wall of
thought.
But really, all you need to seeis that you can have a different
interpretation right now.
You don't have to be sittingthere uh reacting to a thought

(01:04:26):
that says God is out there,right?
It's like now, uh possibly nowfrom now on, or after you've
seen this a few more times,however many more times, when
that thought arises in yourawareness occasionally, you're
just gonna smile at it.
It's not gonna have any charge,right?

(01:04:48):
It only has the charge you gaveto it.
That's how you know.
Oh, this is something that's upto be dismantled right now,
actually.
And not in a hard way.
All I have to do is be easy.
Look how easy that was.
You're just like, give me adifferent interpretation.

SPEAKER_02 (01:05:07):
There you go, there's God.

SPEAKER_03 (01:05:17):
I told my aunt once who uh doesn't want to hear
anything along the lines ofwisdom dialogue.
It's a little bit much for her,you know.
Um, but she's it she wasexpressing to me how she felt so
distant from Jesus because ofall the pain she was in, you
know.
And and I go, well, you know,Jesus has not left you, Jesus is

(01:05:39):
right behind you right now.
All you have to do is fall backinto his arms energetically.
You don't really have to fallback, like as in your body
falls, but let yourselfenergetically just fall back
into his arms.
He's got you.
You could say he's constantlycradling you.

(01:06:01):
It's so sweet.
So anyone can understand that.
Anyone can certainly do that.
You don't have to struggle, youdon't have to learn through
pain, there's no need for it.
It's all self-inflicted, anykind of pain, only your thoughts

(01:06:24):
can hurt you, and that isn'teven really hurting you, it's
hurting you in a dream.
But that's why only yourthoughts can hurt you, and that
doesn't mean like let's say uhlet's say someone's being mean
to you in your dream.
You're having a relationshipdynamic with with someone where

(01:06:45):
it seems like they're being meanto you, they're talking mean to
you and stuff like that.
So this doesn't mean that you'resupposed to accept that
circumstance as it is that theperson is talking mean to you.
That's like not for accepting.
What's accepting that you don'tlike that?

(01:07:07):
That's what you're accepting.
You don't like that kind oftreatment, you don't like that
kind of behavior, that's whatyou get accepting of.
And then you're not projectingit.
See, it's not like uh it's notlike anything has to change on

(01:07:28):
the surface for you to feel okaybecause you just recognize, hey,
I don't like that behavior.
That's awesome.
Let's see what happens next.
Let's see where this goes.

(01:07:50):
Right, not being tied to anyparticular outcome, just
allowing the spirit to workthrough you to be an expression
of truth.
It's not trying to gloss overillusions or trying to be
acceptable, accepting of thingsthat are unacceptable to you in

(01:08:13):
your dream.
Accepting of yourself.
You made the dream and thenyou're reacting to the dream
that you made.
Being in acceptance of that.

(01:08:34):
And then the way you make thedream, even the way you make the
dream starts to change.
It even talks about this in theBible.
It's like so it's it's like kindof like a secret that everyone
has been given the answer, butjust act like we don't have the

(01:08:56):
answer.
No one's gonna fly down here andsave you.
You know, you could you couldliken that uh second coming of
Jesus, which Christians arewaiting for, to uh waiting for

(01:09:22):
that ideal romantic relationshipto show up.
The one where the twin flamecomes and everything is perfect,
they like to study with you,they like to have awesome sex
with you, they like to whateveryour thing is that that would
make them the perfect partner.

(01:09:43):
It's kind of like the samething, that's really common,
like this idea that someone'sgonna come along and they're
gonna be all those things forus, and this idea that that it
that relationship or Jesuscoming back is gonna heal all of
our despair suddenly.

(01:10:06):
But really, those aredistractions, similar
distractions, actually.
It's some kind of salvation thatcomes from outside of ourselves.
And I love how it says soclearly in A Course in Miracles,
my salvation is up to me.

(01:10:26):
So I can't be waiting forsomething to occur in the field,
otherwise I'm making it justprolong.
It just keeps on prolonging.
And you know, you could get likea fun relationship that lasts.

(01:10:50):
Who knows how long you bothbelieve in death together, so
then you end up dying in therelationship.
Only to find out that wasn't iteither.

(01:11:17):
To let yourself be saved now,along with everyone else.

SPEAKER_01 (01:11:27):
My favorite teaching of Jesus is you can do this and
more.

SPEAKER_03 (01:11:31):
You can do this and more.

SPEAKER_01 (01:11:34):
Yeah.
You know, I guess I'm kind ofeven contemplating there's still
some separation or out theresort of conceptual Jesus for me,
too.

SPEAKER_03 (01:11:46):
There's a conceptual Jesus for you.

SPEAKER_01 (01:11:50):
Yeah.
I'm wondering how the course,you know, you know, we're not
wanting Jesus to save, but we'resaving ourselves from our
misperceptions.

SPEAKER_03 (01:12:00):
Yes, and Jesus is a guide.
Yeah, he presents himself as aguide, an older brother, kind of
like an older brother has goneahead of you on the path.
He's always there for you,Master.
Always there for you, always.
Yes, he's with everyone all thetime.

(01:12:20):
Yeah, yep, he's yeah, he's he'sin charge of the way he puts it
through a course in miracles andis uh in that channeling through
a course in miracles is he's incharge of the atonement.
The atonement is basicallyrecognition that you're as God
created you, you haven't madeyourself, you haven't created

(01:12:43):
yourself.

SPEAKER_01 (01:12:44):
I often think of the atonement as being the hollow
bone, you know, just knowingthat everything comes and goes,
and yeah, it's a transparentexperience.

SPEAKER_03 (01:12:55):
Everything in illusions comes and goes,
everything in reality is createdeternal, and where we are is
actually in reality, so there'sno satisfaction for us to be
found in anything that dies.
That's everything here.

(01:13:16):
We cannot find satisfactions,find satisfaction in status or
jobs, or our body, or anotherperson's body, for instance,
food, nothing's gonna besatisfying.
My son recognized that I wasdoing unschooling with my kids,

(01:13:37):
so my kids were allowed to dowhatever they wanted, and my son
was probably about nine or ten,and he I think he posted it on
Facebook how it was interestingthat anything you do gets boring
after a while.
Yeah, he was only a young dudebecause he was just able to do
whatever he wanted, so he couldhave those kinds of insights,

(01:13:59):
you know.
He's like, wow, no matter whatit is, it just gets boring after
a while.
Yeah, it's not it's not forfinding satisfaction here.
And you know what people do isthey try to get like uh more
excitement, more excitementthen.
Okay, that's boring.
Let's try to get more even moreexciting, even more exciting.
But once you find your purpose,and your purpose is extending

(01:14:23):
love, then it's beyond exciting.
Then becomes kind of like acanvas almost.
It's like you're doing art,creation, creation, creativity
is really artful.
Right, just listening, watching,noticing how things feel,

(01:14:52):
noticing where you can extendlove, noticing where you need a
different interpretation becauseyou feel scared.
That's all.
The illusion of the life that'sjust unfolding.
There's nothing to be concernedabout here.
You seem to have a job, it'sstill the same, no matter what

(01:15:17):
you seem to be doing in thefield, it's just all the same.
You're witnessing a mindawakening, awakening to the
truth of who we all are, and youknow, your awakening could go
really slow if you would ratherbear witness to illusions.

(01:15:40):
Because your mind isn'tavailable to be used like that.
It's like your mind can beavailable to be used for undoing
these illusions rather than justyou know getting your personal
relief over and over again,which isn't bad.
You should be relieved, youshould be relieved.

(01:16:01):
There's a point though where yougo, okay, I'm just gonna stay in
release.
And let's see what kind ofpatterns I can undo.
So for me, it's like every day Ilove how I just get these
opportunities to undo differentpatterns because I'm not feeling

(01:16:22):
upset about them.
It's like a thought occurs thatsomething uh looks wrong, looks
out of place, anything likethat.
I know that's for me to undocommon misperceptions in the

(01:16:43):
mind.
It's not something that you geta job doing in the world where
they pay you to do it.
But it's actually the mosthelpful thing for everyone
because it's helping undo thefear that causes these imaginary
lifetimes.

(01:17:05):
Everyone has a buried sense oflonging for their actual life,
for their created reality.
Everyone has that.
All longing in the world is onlysymbolic of that longing to be
back where we are, to know thatwe are where we are in the

(01:17:25):
created reality.
So it's helpful to everyone tobring that back, and that's why
it's so creative, too, becauseit's like you don't know how the
spirit's going to expressthrough you, you're just aware
that whatever it is that denieswhat's true in spirit is not

(01:17:52):
going to be given uh any kind ofreality here.
It's not gonna be given realityin my mind.
So it's like, yeah, uh question,if you get the sense that

(01:18:14):
someone is uh being mean to you,that's certain certainly a
common thing.
Uh you get the sense thatsomeone's being mean to you.
How do you know whether to keepon interacting with them?
Well, I don't know.

(01:18:35):
I don't know.
It is a good question.
I don't know how if I'm gonnakeep interacting with them.
I'm gonna find out.
I'm watching the show just likeeveryone else, the show of Hope
Johnson playing here.

SPEAKER_02 (01:18:54):
One minute you can think he can interact or yeah,
who knows what this thing isgonna do.

SPEAKER_03 (01:19:01):
Yeah, who knows what this thing is gonna do?
But I was I was in onerelationship some months back,
and you know, I told the dude, Igo, you know what, this is not
gonna go on very long.
And the guy goes, What?
You're always gonna love me.
I'm like, that's true, but youknow this thing, that's not

(01:19:21):
gonna go on very long.
Why?
I don't fucking like that, whatyou're doing.
Right now I'm getting the sensethat I'm putting up with it
because there's other thingsthat I do like, but that's not
gonna keep, I don't know howlong it's gonna be, but I'll

(01:19:42):
tell you, that's not gonna keepon going on, and you know, it's
it's because I'm willing to feelthat and be at ease within
myself, going, I don't likethat, I don't like that,
whatever that is, whatever thatgame is, where it's like that,
it's like this kind of energy.
I don't know, I don't like it,you know, and and that's that's

(01:20:04):
the thing, is like spiritualpeople are like, oh my god, I'm
supposed to like everything.

SPEAKER_01 (01:20:11):
But you're not saying I don't like you, I don't
like this pattern, I don't likethis behavior, right?

SPEAKER_03 (01:20:18):
I don't like the feelings that are yeah, yeah.
Basically, I'm not asking theperson to change at all.
It's just like it's just like,hey, this is where this is
going.
Like, I could see thepremonition because it's like,
man, if I don't like it, it'snot things are changing.
That's just how it is.
If I'm getting a sense I don'tlike it, shit is changing.

(01:20:40):
So I can I can be confidentabout that.
So it's not a matter ofaccepting, oh, I this is just
the way it is, this is the wayguys are.
I guess if I want to keepgetting late, I better stick it
out.
Right?

SPEAKER_01 (01:20:59):
Thank God you don't believe that.

SPEAKER_03 (01:21:00):
No, it's it's that I accept myself in the situation,
and I know also that I'm uh, youknow, I'm deserving of perfect
happiness just like anyone else.
That's God's will for us.
That's why I know that's God'swill for me, is my perfect
happiness.
So if there's a sense of, oh,I'm not liking that kind of

(01:21:21):
energy, that thing's changing inone way or another.
Either that person's going, oh,I don't want that energy, I
don't want to do that energywith you.
I'd rather do this.
Well, that's how it was with myuh my husband Tony.
Uh, the very first year I waswith him, he kept on doing this
with these different weirdenergies.

(01:21:42):
One of them was uh, I was gonnasay chivalry, but no, it wasn't
chivalry, it was something else.
Chauvinist, that's what it was.
There was chauvinism, and I'mlike, fuck no, fuck no.
He's like, I'm telling you, I donot want to be like that either.
I'm gonna not do that.

(01:22:03):
I'm like, really?
He's like, yes, and then he'slike, in fact, I'm gonna go.
Oh, I told him.
I was like, I don't care ifyou're not gonna do it again.
You did it in front of all myfriends.
My friends look up to me.
There's no fucking way they'regonna see me with you again.
You know, I was like 21 orsomething.

(01:22:24):
And he's like, What if Iapologize to all your friends
who were there?
And I'm like, You would do that?
That's amazing.
That's why I was still with him30 years later.
He did it, he did it.
Yeah, and I remember one of myfriends, one of my friends goes,

(01:22:46):
You're lucky hope took you back.
And he's like, What?
He's like, Normally when hopesays it's over, it's over.
You're really lucky.
Took you back.

SPEAKER_02 (01:22:58):
Yeah, I know I had all kinds of experience.
I know at 21, this is my rec myreputation.
That's hilarious.
Oh my gosh.
She knows when she's done.

SPEAKER_03 (01:23:12):
Yeah, she knows when she's done.
That's right.
Well, you don't usually havethem.
That that that was kind of rare,I think.
Um, you know, it's all differentdepending on what you need, but
it seemed kind of rare that youwould get someone who would like
understand that and go, fuck,there is no way I'm gonna be
with this chick unless I dosomething drastic here, right?

SPEAKER_01 (01:23:35):
And particularly in that apparent time, yeah,
probably 80s or something.

SPEAKER_03 (01:23:41):
Uh yeah, well, the early 90s, early 90s, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:23:49):
Chauvinism was a righteous tool.

SPEAKER_03 (01:23:52):
Yeah.
He got he got chauvinist infront in front of all my
friends, apparently.
Uh, but normally, uh, seeminglynormally, uh people are just
gonna go, oh, okay, well, that'sthe way I am, and you're moving
on, and you're moving on fairlyquickly.

(01:24:12):
You know, it's like like Icalled attention to one friend.
I'm like, hey, you're usingmanipulation.
Look at here's six ways you justuse manipulation in that one
text to me.
And it's like, hey, what's upwith that?
And then that person justdecided to just completely step
back from the relationship.

SPEAKER_01 (01:24:33):
Didn't look at all that.

SPEAKER_03 (01:24:35):
He would he he saw it and he goes, Shit, you're
right, I gotta do some work.
No, he was really sweet aboutit.
He was, you know, but but therewasn't that sense like, oh fuck,
I don't want to be manipulatedwith you.
Let's look at that, or somethinglike that, you know.
It's just kind of like there's asense like, well, that's the way

(01:24:56):
I am, and that's the way it'sgonna be, and I'm not and and
I'm not worthy.
That's a common thing, too.
I'm not worthy because I am thismanipulative.
And and the thing is, it's likeyou are worthy, it's just a
matter if you want to keep beingmanipulative, if you want to
strategize your relationshipslike that, you can, you're gonna

(01:25:18):
have some interestingrelationships that way.
Like, who else wants tostrategize relationships like
that that you're gonna behanging out with?
Right?
It's like when when you can seethe manipulation and bring it to
light, that's where theopportunity is right there.

(01:25:39):
That's where it's like, okay,well, here's this manipulation
going on right here, and thenit's like, oh shit, I see that
too.
I don't want to do that.
You want to help?
Yeah, let's let's look at that.
I don't want to be manipulatingyou, right?
But then when there's a senselike, oh my god, I'm so stupid,

(01:25:59):
I'm such a manipulator.
Oh, well, I guess I'm not worthyof you.
It's just it's just a lot ofself punishment and self-doubt
being played out, right?

(01:26:20):
And it's like people getcomfortable in their
self-punishment and self-doubtand playing that out, and they
are looking for someone to playit out with, and it's not then
it doesn't need to be you.

SPEAKER_01 (01:26:32):
But I see that the that's where kind of the loop of
things comes in because shame isin there too.
Shame is in there, right?
And uh once to me, it's likeonce shame gets triggered, it's
like oh, contract and you know,pull away sort of behavior,
contract and pull away whenthere's shame, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:26:53):
Yeah, yeah, kind of like a sense like you want to
run away from things, yeah,yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:27:01):
I think it's just kind of the instinct of the
system in some ways.

SPEAKER_02 (01:27:06):
Yeah, yeah, us humans.

SPEAKER_03 (01:27:09):
Well, for one thing, she's talking about instinct of
the system.
For one thing, when you'regetting close together for to
revealing deeper truths, deeperand deeper truths, it's like
this sense of fear, likesomething's wrong with the
relationship.
It's like shit, thisrelationship is potent.

(01:27:31):
Right?
It's on fire.
But then it's like the ego, oncethe ego comes in with
strategies, it's like, oh, Igotta call that out.
Whether or not the person thatI'm relating with wants to look
at the strategizing and go,shit, how do I undo that is
another story.
Sometimes they want to stay withthat, they just want to hang out

(01:27:57):
with people who will just letthem play their strategies for a
while.
But that's why in the long term,relationships tend to turn sour
because those strategies keep ongetting played out and they're
mean, they're mean spirited.
So people don't feel taken careof by ego strategies when that's

(01:28:20):
what the ego strategy is reallymeant to do.
It's meant to try to control thesituation, it's meant to try to
get what you want out of thesituation, you know, even if
that's closeness.

SPEAKER_01 (01:28:35):
Yeah, it's interesting because I'm kind of
going through like there'splaces where I'm like, ah,
that's just the way it is, butI'm also going like there's
places where like, oh, thisain't going on.

SPEAKER_03 (01:28:45):
Yeah, and and see, Diana's talking about there's
places in her mind where it'slike, ah, that's just the way it
is.
Notice that.

SPEAKER_01 (01:28:53):
That isn't about the relationship and the dynamic.
Yeah.
Is like I have no charge aboutwanting change.
Yeah, know that I'm not gettingcertain needs met, or you know,
are not gonna look for thoseneeds to get met there.

SPEAKER_03 (01:29:11):
You're not gonna look for certain needs to get
met from a per certain person.

SPEAKER_01 (01:29:16):
Well, then in terms of the manipulation dynamics,
because it's so uh I guess my myperception is that it's it's
like the common makeup it's acommon makeup in in relation
dynamics, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:29:36):
Yeah, because that's what you've seen.
Yeah, yeah.
So that that that thing about ifthat's just the way it is, you
know, that's always the ego.
Cause it because this thing iscompletely changeable and it's
under your command.
Like all of it is made of love,so it's under your command.

SPEAKER_01 (01:29:53):
Well, and I'm not, I'm just looking at is it's easy
to have love and acceptance foryou know, I'm not gonna change
this.
I'm you know, this is what theircapacity, you know, is.
Um kind of like it's not aseparate experience, but the
ones that I'm charged about,yeah, it becomes some because
I'm having emotions that arebeing brought up from dynamic.

SPEAKER_03 (01:30:17):
From the dynamic, yeah.
So it's so it seems to be comingfrom the dynamic, but it's
actually coming from a belief.
All of your emotions, yeah.
All of your emotions and yourfeeling fluctuations are coming
from belief.
And then the thoughts about thedynamic are meant to justify the
feeling.
But they don't really they'renot they don't really come from

(01:30:39):
that.
They're not from it.
So even people can change.
Like I always leave the dooropen for people to change
because and change drasticallytoo because there's they're just
based on thought and we'repurifying thought here.

(01:31:02):
So as we're purifying thoughtand people aren't feeling like
they need to be validated byother people they can be more in
their truth.
They can be more in their ownfeelings.
I hold that for everyone and andyou know don't make it as if
they need to die and come backagain reincarnated to do it.

(01:31:23):
I hold that opening for everyoneyou can you can contemplate
anyone's return to peace andsanity.
You could see that on their faceyou know you could see that in
your mind's eye that they neverleft the truth.
And then that helps you seeyourself more like that.

(01:31:46):
It's totally connected like howyou see others to how you see
yourself.
That is totally connected for meI just get a sense of a a little
bit of complaining about aperson and I know it's just
about myself.
And so you know it's like nowit's so rare that I get any

(01:32:08):
sense of any kind of complaintabout anything that a person is
doing.
Any kind of sound they're makingyou know uh irritation doesn't
have to add up to where it'slike oh can you just stop doing
that thing you know when you'reaware of your feelings it just

(01:32:29):
it's sweet the way things comeup they don't come out of
irritation it's more likecooperation and we can't do that

(01:32:51):
by trying to manage ourselves ortrying to strategize our words
to make it sound like it's notlike we're not in conflict.
People try to do that with thatnonviolent communication right
there's ways to phrase things tomake it sound like you're not in

(01:33:11):
conflict but it doesn't workbecause when you're in conflict
about something in the fieldit's because you haven't
embraced your own feeling sayingthings in a certain way isn't
going to help with that becausethere's this belief that the way
you're feeling is being causedby what's going on in the field

(01:33:36):
maybe what someone else is doingor something like that.
And with that belief firmly setin place like that you don't
want to keep on feeling thisfeeling over and over again it's
not doing anything because thebelief is set in place.
And it's the same way it's likeif you're not willing for the

(01:33:59):
belief to be undone this isgoing to keep on cycling around
like this but the underunderlying belief has to be
undone and what I mean byunderlying belief it's one of
them is a belief that there canbe scarcity okay the ultimate

(01:34:19):
underlying belief is the beliefthat you separated from creation
so then there's belief in lackthere's belief in sin there's
belief in abandonment all of oursongs are even like that it is

(01:34:41):
so funny.
Well not all of them but most ofthem it's just constant hypnosis
it's as if we could be lonely asif we could be alone as if we
can be without resource a brokenheart's your destiny a broken
heart is your destiny Deannasays if you listen to all the

(01:35:04):
romantic songs all the romanticsongs I know I know it's so wild
there's no love but God's loveso all romantic love it's just
like a substitute it's just likea substitute there's only God's

(01:35:29):
love even all love that comesfrom anywhere for me you know
what I'll notice uh other peopleapparently other people saying I
love you to one another walkingtogether laughing together all
of that is me I'll notice thosethings and be like thank you

(01:35:52):
thank there's God's love there'sGod's love again there's God's
love in that form what fun andso I don't have to try to hang
on to God's love in any formthat it arises for me or seek it
out in any way because I amactually the fulfillment God is

(01:36:15):
all loving and looking for uhand and looking to love us.
So it's a matter of would you bewilling to receive the love of
God and knowing that that's thereason I'm created is to receive
the love of God, I receive it.

(01:36:37):
I don't turn it away so when itseems like I don't like
something I know I'm well takencare of about that I know this

(01:36:58):
thing is changing for one ifthere's something that it seems
like I don't like it this eitherthis thing is changing or it's
naturally changing to go ohnever mind I actually like it
but it's not about making myselflike it see that so it's it's

(01:37:25):
kind of a subtle difference thatI'm explaining to you here about
the way most people are doing uhacceptance spiritual people are
doing and teaching acceptance isnot really the way that
acceptance occurs for us trulyagain it's not about accepting

(01:37:46):
anything external it's acceptingthe internal state the reaction
the sense of not liking itthat's what allows peace you can
have a sense of not likingsomething and peace at the same

(01:38:08):
time you can see that whenyou're not identified as the one
who doesn't like or the one thatdoesn't have to do changes the
one that has to do some changeswork them out figure them out
you stay identified as peacewithin the sense of not liking
something see that wholegovernments can change like this

(01:38:31):
it's just that people don'trecognize what's going on you
know people want abortions tostop one guy commented on one of
my posts about how millions ofabortions are so bad and you
know it's like well if we wantabortions to stop then we got to

(01:38:52):
look at our reaction reallythat's where it comes down to
look at our reaction theunderlying belief look at the
judgment of it you know ofcourse no one wants killing to
be happening no one really wantskilling to be happening and it

(01:39:13):
can't really happen because it'snot created by God.
Whatever God didn't create can'treally happen.
So when we get the the senseabortions are happening and we
feel intolerant to abortionswe're actually making more
abortions but if we get in touchwith ourselves and how we feel

(01:39:40):
and noticing that there's nothought to justify how we feel
there's no thought we need adifferent interpretation being
intolerant to behavior makesthat behavior perpetuate.
In fact it makes us act it outourselves it's so funny you know

(01:40:08):
abortion it's symbolic it's likea a sense like oops I didn't
want that that's not what I wasgoing for whatever it is whether
it's legal or anything like thatit's all perfectly situated

(01:40:32):
whether a person can seeminglychoose it or not it's all
perfectly situated so that wecan see through the illusion
itself I mean if it takes abunch of dead babies to do it
then that's that's how we do itdead babies on a screen of

(01:40:58):
consciousness you know justrecognizing that we're making
these illusions and thesesymbols up to help us see the
truth not to punish us aninteresting thing too about

(01:41:24):
abortion when you look at choiceno one has a choice in what they
seem to choose for themselves inthe dream everyone only has a
choice between love and fear sowhen someone apparently makes a

(01:41:51):
choice for having an abortionthat choice is the most helpful
choice that can be made it'shelpful across the board for the

(01:42:11):
person that seems to have madethe choice for everyone in their
life um even for the fetusbelieve it or not even for the
fetus it is the most helpfulchoice in this dream there seems
like an awful lot of sufferingeven in the animal kingdom
everyone's eating each other theplants are eating animals

(01:42:34):
underneath little tinymicroscopic animals underneath
the soil they're totallycarnivorous you know people
thought that plants werevegetarian everything's eating
everything everything's killingeverything apparently um even

(01:42:58):
even like breath someone wasexplaining to me how breath even
breath itself is like searingsomething it's eating something
away that's the apparent worldthat's the world we made that's
the world we don't want to keepthat's the world we don't want
to keep perpetuating over andover again so when we see what

(01:43:26):
it's truly for we stopparticipating in that going
around killing everything youknow it might manifest in your
experience I know I've hadexperience with abortions I've
been pregnant eight timesactually and I seem to have
three kids so count them upcouple of them were miscarriage

(01:43:53):
I can't remember how many whatwhat okay but I I know from
experience that when I went forabortions I think there were two
of them I went for an abortionthese two times there was a
sense of being afraid ofmanifestation the manifestation

(01:44:15):
of a child once I was beyondthat being afraid of
manifestation it was like sureoh that's what seems to be
rising okay like this just ohwhatever the manifestation
whatever it's giving it's givingto me great I'm not saying

(01:44:35):
that's right or wrong I'm notsaying that's right or wrong I
mean uh you could be guided tohave an abortion too because
when it comes to the Holy Spiritguidance there's no rules on it
that's for sure okay let's seehow to bring acceptance to deep

(01:44:55):
longings of the soul are thelongings an illusion okay so the
deep longing of the soul is toknow yourself as you are that's
the deepest longing of the souland all other longings stem from
that you could say another wayto say it is to know the peace
of God and to and to rest in thepeace of God forever.

(01:45:18):
Let's say that's your deepestlonging.
Yes are these longings anillusion yes they are because
everything is an illusionhowever that longing for truth
that's given you by God becauseit's who you are.

(01:45:39):
So yeah it's an illusion becauseonce the illusory world fades
away you won't have that longingbecause you know your own
fulfillment in fact you can youdon't you know instead of
bringing acceptance to thesedeep longings of the soul you
can actually have fulfillment ofthese longings that's what you

(01:46:01):
want you want them you want themto be fulfilled and you can
actually have fulfillment ofthese longings in the moment
that's the thing when you'rerecognizing that all apparent
longings are really the samelonging and then you just allow
yourself to receive you actuallyexpress and live life as both

(01:46:27):
that longing or desire you mightsay it and the fulfillment of it
you are you are the fulfillmentof that longing you so it's
acceptance of yourself in themoment that fulfills that
longing so yeah you want to keepit you want to keep the longing

(01:46:50):
uh for the whole time you're inthe illusion and you will get to
keep it and you want to use ityeah you because it's because
it's guiding you back.
So it's got it's guiding youback to the clarity that you
need to be able to see creation.
So you want it you want to keepit and also let it be fulfilled

(01:47:12):
recognizing you are thefulfillment in fact every desire
and every longing that everyonehas in the world you are the
fulfillment you are so it's likerecognizing that it's your peace
it's your union with God thatfulfills every desire and that's

(01:47:36):
just a matter of you acceptingwhat is there's nowhere to go
about it there's nothing to doabout it.
I mean depending on how studiedyou are there may be a period
where you'd need to learnsomething right if so I remember
I I recommend a course inmiracles and then I also

(01:47:56):
recommend a course of love.
I love that one that one'sfreaking good in fact I'm on day
day eight of a course of lovethere's 40 days I'm like wow
this is already deep I feel likeI'm fully enlightened already
and there's more days right it'salready fuck there's what is

(01:48:17):
what else is there to do you'regonna give me 32 more days I
can't believe this but but yeahit's a it's a really good
explanate explanation so far dayeight out of 40 um that depicts
puts into words what I've beenon to for many years kind of

(01:48:43):
without those kind of words likethey're expressing in a course
in love just kind of seeing umhow to do I guess you could say
how to do my function which isforgiveness how to see things
you know it talks about in thereit talks about accepting
yourself and that is one thingthat I notice uh wow I'm really

(01:49:07):
willing to accept myself I'mreally willing to let myself off
the hook even if I have any kindof emotional breakdown or
anything like that.
I'm really willing to do thatI've I found myself driving
around in the car in a car onetime and it seemed like oh my
God I really fucked up now.
Oh my God this is the worst ohmy god oh my god and it's like

(01:49:27):
the practice just comes right init's like no I do not accept
that as being anything validthat is not meaningful that um
anything even happened backthere that doesn't make any
sense right and just acceptingthe love of God and receiving
the love of God that's reallywhat it is that's what you're

(01:49:49):
longing for to know that to havethat connection so strongly that
it doesn't matter what shows upyou can always rely on that
connection to see you through toshow you the truth aloha thank
you for joining I love howpeople just go in and out
whenever they like I I love it.
Thank you.

(01:50:09):
Feel free to ask me anyquestions that you want I love
it.

SPEAKER_02 (01:50:24):
Yeah you can probably imagine I mean this is
the way I go around anyways uhlike I'm just the fulfillment of
every desire you know and it'snot as a body it's nothing like
that um what everyone desires isunion and that's what I have I

(01:50:48):
have that in my mind I'm awareof union in my mind and so
that's what I have to share witheveryone yeah that's what I have
to share with everyone I don'tknow how it's gonna come out I
don't know how it's gonna look II know I don't need to convince
anyone of anything right I don'teven have to have conversations

(01:51:09):
that aren't fucking fun likereally fun right I don't I don't
get I don't get taken out bysomeone's negativity I freaking
have a party with it I thinkit's funny right I was telling
Thomas about the guy about thewoman in the smoke shop right

(01:51:31):
she's like down on Sedona she'slike yeah piece of shit or
something like that I don't knowshe's like down on Sedona she
was talking shit on all kinds ofpeople right and I was just like
laughing the dispensary story Iwas cracking up I was cracking
up and then and then you know Ijust like started to join in the
energy I'm like yeah fuck thoseguys you know you know it's it's

(01:51:59):
all energy it's not even in thewords at all it's just all
energy so it's like whensomeone's bringing a bunch of
what looks like a lot ofnegativity just talking shit on
these different people uh forone the whole town and then
about the people at the at thedispensary this the dispensary

(01:52:20):
and what they're doing overthere um and and then she
started getting really down onAI when I mentioned something
about AI and it was so funnybecause um because I started
talking about oh well you shouldask that to my AI because she's
like what is AI gonna do andthis and this oh you should

(01:52:40):
totally ask that to my AI andshe's like why would I do that?

SPEAKER_03 (01:52:45):
Because then you'd see what it would say.
Why do I care what it would saybecause it reflects my own mind.
She's like really she goes wouldit reflect my mind too even if
it's like totally off kilter Igo totally and she goes and so
I'm walking out she's like okayI hear you I'm opening up to AI

(01:53:06):
which it's not like AI is goodor bad.

SPEAKER_02 (01:53:09):
It's not like I'm trying to get people to open up
to AI or anything like that.

SPEAKER_03 (01:53:14):
It's just that when I when I have a when I have a a
a purpose a function with itwithin ever within everything
it's not like I'm trying toteach anyone anything.
All I'm doing is I'm findingcomfort within myself by going
through any uncomfort and I'vehad so much experience with this
now it doesn't even trigger anyuncomfort in me to perceive

(01:53:38):
someone uh being negative I justfind it playful right away
there's nothing even to forgiveabout it because there's no
reaction to it I just right awayfind it playful it's like I'm
like oh they got some passionabout their illusions it's fun
it's fun to play with and thenthen the Holy Spirit can use me

(01:53:59):
in any way that needs to be usedand people just see things
without us trying to do anythingyou're welcome my love thank you
for the question I love it ohthank you edime thanks for
joining the conversation feelfree to ask any questions you
want oh I only have five minutesleft how exciting I love doing

(01:54:29):
this with you guys I really dojust waiting just waiting on the
spirit to supply whatever wordsare needed to express the
spirit's gratitude for you foreach of you for joining or
listening later whatever happensto be going on uh to you know

(01:54:53):
there's so much appreciation foreveryone who listens to the
truth there's so muchappreciation for that and
support behind it there's lotsand lots of support behind it
the more you want to spend yourtime listening to the truth the

(01:55:13):
more support there is behind itand even if you seem to have a
busy job let's say you have abusy job where you're it's
making your mind busy becauseyou're thinking about all this
different stuff um you can restin the peace of God while at
your job even if you have tothink of a lot of things this is

(01:55:36):
just an it's just a movement ofyour mind it's just a
willingness to be resting in thepeace of God no matter what it
is that you you seem to be goingthrough see if you can get a
sense of detachment like you'rewatching yourself engaged in
your life and you're justaccepting every little thing you

(01:55:57):
seem to do and say and everythought that even crosses your
mind you're welcoming it.
You may be denying any realityto some of those thoughts and
maybe just smiling at them andgoing, oh thank goodness that's
not real but still you're notpushing anything away and this
is something you could feel inyour body's energy field when

(01:56:18):
you open up to your experiencelook at it as a gift that you're
receiving whatever theexperience is and let everything
that's apparently negative evenbe transformed in the light of
truth I love the way they'redoing it over in Bullhead City
actually it's just one womanwho's doing it this this way and

(01:56:40):
who knows uh anyways she sagespeople when they come in and she
thanks all of the energies shethanks all of the energies for
being there and for theirservice and going you can go now
thank you for your service justsuper light and gentle like that

(01:57:00):
fighting anything does not needto be it only allows things to
persist that's making thempersist there's nothing to be
fought with about uh about herejust embracing yourself exactly
as you are embracing all of thedifferent uh emotions the
different feelings that arearising you don't have to take

(01:57:24):
that out on other people ifyou're present you won't look if
you lose presence and you dohave to happen to take it out on
other people be forgiving aboutit how do you be forgiving about
it yeah how do you be forgivingabout it you recognize that
didn't happen you're perfectlyunaffected by any lack of love

(01:57:46):
even if it seems to be comingfrom you to another person that
did not happen all the effectsof it the seeming effects of
something that didn't happendisappear when you're willing to
recognize it didn't happen.
What I've done before is thankpeople like thank you for
playing I told my husband beforewhen I was uh seemed to be mad

(01:58:10):
at him for two days because hewas not appreciating me um
whatever it was that was goingon and I was uh kind of like
bitching him out for a coupledays this is I think 2019 and at
the end of the two days I saidthe whole two days have been
completely about me none of thatstuff is even true there's

(01:58:32):
nothing for you to even do aboutit thank you for playing the
relief of his face I can see therelease yeah I can see the
relief but there's also fearthat I was gonna do it again I
never did it again that was thething it was an inner

(01:58:53):
transformation within myselfbecause I go shit that was all
about me because I didn't carryit forward because I didn't I
could see that there was noreason to carry any of those
thoughts forward that said thathim changing would be helpful
him doing something differenthim changing would be helpful.
I don't want him to change Iwant him to be authentic
authentic is what I'm gettingautomatically this is it even if

(01:59:17):
it's inauthentic up those thingsthat you couldn't do yourself.
I wanted him yes yay I love youguys thank you so much for
joining I love you all thank youto you guys over on Substack too
and on Zoom oh oh go tohopejohnson.org if you would
like to book a one-on-one withme read my blog post these are

(01:59:39):
being blog posted so you couldprobably get the whole two hour
talk in a 10 minute read if youwanted because AI just takes all
the points that I'm all theimportant points that I'm
pointing out and puts it into ablog post and really easy to
read.
It's a really good uh blog posttoo.
Um if you just like theentertainment and you like my
voice You'd like to take a longtime to get to the point.

(02:00:04):
Watch the videos.
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watch the videos.
You can go to hopejohnson.org todonate to me.
Uh, love it when you makedonations.
Also, you can do monthlydonations now.

(02:00:25):
You can set those up monthly.
If you have any trouble with it,just reach out to me.
I could take even monthlydonations.
I have an easy way to do that.
Um, so thank you, everyone.
I love you.
And I'll be back in two days fora beautiful and deep ACIM deep
dive.
Come back at 3 p.m.
on Wednesday.

(02:00:46):
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