What If You’ve Never Done Anything And Love Does It All? | Wisdom Dialogues @ Sedona | October 20, 2025 - Hope Johnson's Wisdom Dialogues

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SPEAKER_00 (00:05):
Yay.
Aloha.
And welcome to Wisdom Dialogueswith Hope Johnson.
Oh, I'm so happy to be with youguys.
I'm coming to you from Sedona,Arizona today.
Um, yes, there's been a uh achange of events for me.

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Um, my roommate moved out.
I came here and I was stayingwith such a sweetie uh for the
past seven weeks.
What an adventure! Oh mygoodness.
And he just took off yesterday,so I have three more weeks in
his place, just kind of likemaking my own little cave.
And I'm just so stoked aboutthat.

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I love how things just keep onuh keep on changing in the outer
world.
Um, kind of keeps me on my toes,you know.
Uh things don't get stagnantvery easily, don't get in any
kind of um steady routines forvery long, that's for sure.
So we had an amazing seven weekstogether.

(01:13):
Of course, it was just allguided by spirit.
You know, he told me I can cometo Sedona.
This would be a good time for meto come to Sedona.
Um, he told me I can have theapartment originally, that he
would just be back and forthwith his partner and stuff like
that.
Turned out he ended up spendingthe whole seven weeks with me in

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this one bedroom apartment.
And uh yeah, there wereinstances where I was like, what
the fuck have I got myself into?
You know, I I'm used to havingmore of a cave kind of space.
Even when I lived in Hawaii backthere with my husband, I'm just
used to having more of a cavekind of space.

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And now there's uh two people inthis space and two people who
seem to live very differentlytoo, as far as like how much
stuff is on the counters andstuff like that.
Uh, I definitely have a lot ofstuff on the counter in the
bathroom.
That's that's where I do it alot.

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Um, but you know, just sinkinginto the truth behind all
appearances.
And the truth behind allappearances is that there's only
one of us.
There's only this union, there'sone heart, one mind that we

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share.
So uh being certain about thatand also blessing the
perception, whatever it seems tobe.
Okay, this is this perception,whatever it is, is the means to
more unfolding.
And what I found was a reallysweet, deep connection.

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Um, lots of studying.
We were studying every day.
Um, first thing in the morning,we're studying and uh we're
basically reading.
I think we were just the wholetime reading a course in love.
We're reading out of a course inlove, but taking it really slow
and looking at the meaningbehind things and uh seeing how

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we can um bring everything tothe truth and not let anything
be an obstacle.
So basically, an obstacle is uhan obstacle to peace.
That's the only kind of obstaclethere is.
It's an obstacle to peace.
So an obstacle is not a problem,that's not the same thing as a

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problem.
An obstacle to peace, you'rejust noticing there's something
that it's occupying your mindthat's disturbing your peace.
It's never the circumstance, youcannot blame it on the
circumstance.
And you know, that was one thingthat I demonstrated to my mind
here.
You know, where I'm where I'msleeping in the room where I'm
sleeping, it has a desk where myhost slash roommate um works at

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the desk.
And the desk is not very tidy.
Okay, so so bed's right next tothat, right?
So one morning, maybe like thesecond or third morning, I woke
up and I go, I see thesethoughts just swirling in my
mind.
I can't do this, I can't sleepnext to something like this.
This is going to disturb myenergy and all kinds of things

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like this.
And you know, I just smiled atit.
I just go, hmm, is that reallytrue?
Am I really that vulnerable thatI would be disturbed by my
sleeping would be disturbed byclutter on a desk?
I don't think so.
I don't think so.

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So, anyways, it was funnybecause I I ended up getting a
lot of sleep, just noticeablymore sleep since I've been here.
So that was uh just aninteresting observation because
I'm like, that can't be a thing.
There's no way that somethinglike that could keep me up, and
then I just experience moresleep than I normally do.

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And you know, I'm not lookingfor that outcome.
I'm looking what I'm looking foris my way back to peace in the
moment, because basically thesethoughts that arise and say
something is wrong, those arethe obstacles to peace.
The feeling of discomfort,that's not an obstacle to peace.

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That's just for experiencing,that's just for embracing the
thoughts about the situation,those are obstacles to peace.
And that that means they're notproblems, they're just to be
recognized as being obstacles.

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That's what they are.
So when you notice that thoseare just obstacles, they can be

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embraced.
Let's say clutter on the desk.
Okay, that's easier to embracethan a thought that says uh he's
a horrible unconscious personbecause he doesn't have a tidy

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desk, let's say.
In that case, it actually takesrecognizing that that thought is
not personal, it's aboutyourself.
There's something that you arejudging about yourself, and you

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don't want to see that you'rejudging yourself about it, so
you project it out to someoneelse.
So when you recognize that, thenyou get the person out of the
equation.

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So here are some of the thingsThomas wrote me a really long
review um about the seven weeks.
We didn't realize this was gonnahappen, but um early on, maybe
about week two or three or so,um, I told him this is something
I actually offer is uhtransformation, uh

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transformational bridging.
And he said, Okay, well, I wantto do it.
I'm in.
Yeah, I'm totally in.
I was like, oh, okay, cool,let's do it.
So we had a seven-week ofbasically Hope Johnson live in
transformation.
So he wrote a review and helisted out the points really
clearly.
I'll just go over them a littlebit for you.
So he said, I'm not takingthings personal anymore.

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The world has receded, situationand peep and people don't rattle
him in the same way.
Instead of instead of reacting,he's resting more so he can
relate with God.
Okay, so he's uh uh he's he'ssharing how he has had
transformation through ourrelating.

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And you know, that's what reallywhat relating is for, you know,
it's what relating is for.
So he's saying, and also he'ssaying lack is no longer a real
concept.
He's talking about a radicalshift and how he could perceives
not having enough.
Uh, he's expanded from frugalityto deliciousness, from dry to

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juicy.
That's what he said.
There is a lot of that, justjuiciness in the experience.
You know, it's like it's like uhas we're uh as we're in
relationship with everything,there's no reason why it can't
be sensual, like everythingbeing sensual.

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So some things were changed,like uh just like eating dry
foods to eating foods that havemore uh moisture and fats, too.
That's another thing.
That's fun.
Let's see, I got all these tabsopen right now.

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Reputation.
So early on when we first uhwhen I did my first wisdom
dialogues here, there was he hada strong reaction to me bringing
something up that he was tryingto cover, some guilt.
So this mask fell away, thismask of reputation, reputation,

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um striving for others to thinka certain way about us.
Okay, and then recognizing thatall that matters is the
relationship with God.
So uh he's saying his sexualityhas been redefined.
It's about loving, ecstaticconnection.
It's not role, it's not form,it's not trying to get anything

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out of bodies.
Uh guilt not running as lifeanymore.
Discipline and integrity gotreclaimed.
Well, discipline and integrity,you know, they don't uh they
don't really uh they're notreally needed after a certain
point.
Like in you can think ofintegrity like this integrity of

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spirit.
You know, an integrity of spiritis recognizing two things.
Uh one is unity of all, there'sonly one of us.
Two is the form is perfect toserve the awakening.
Okay, and then uh and then inthat way you're in integrity

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with spirit, it doesn't have todo with worldly things, you
know.
That's something that getsworked on for a little while.
That's something that has to beworked on for a little while a
lot of the times, becausethere's this idea that we have
we need to discipline ourselvesand live in integrity in a form,

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but we only need to be inintegrity with love.
The form takes care of itself.
He's saying his self, his healthhas become sacred.
Instead of being, you know,here's what I see that people
are doing with health.
It's like running around withthese concepts that say, here's
what you're supposed to do forhealth, here's how you be a good

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boy or girl, right?
Um, so you know, now he's nothaving Diet Coke.
Apparently, Diet Coke is uh isuh conventionally a good thing
to drink.
Uh he also uh got rid of the Pamspray.
You guys might know from thefrom the 80s, he says that was

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pretty uh brutal.
And he also said goodbye toCliff Bars.
Okay, so now he loves ghee andhigh fat and whole milk and
heavy heavy cream.
Um yeah, and and alsocompression therapy, that's
another one.
And we had real non-dualconversations, deep recognizing

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of the self that we all share.
And you know, for me, I feelthat the way it gets the most,
uh the way we get the mosttransformation is just by being
this, what I'm talking about.

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That's how we get the mosttransformation.
We don't have to try to doanything.
So it wasn't like, okay, all ofa sudden I have a job because
you know, I'm going, oh well, Ido, you know, I offer
transformational bridging.
It's one of the services that Ioffer on my website.
Um, you know, when I do that,I'm I'm not having a job.

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I'm I'm basically just beingmyself around you.
Like in your house, in yourlife, in whatever struggles you
seem to be going through.
And over weeks and over time,not only does you it does it uh

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it just transfer, I call ittransformational bridging
because from witnessing someonewho's doing it, who's living
like this and who's been seeinglike this for a long time, you
can uh you can allow yourself tojump in.
That's what I noticed.
Like, oh, she's been doing itfor a long time.
You know, uh uh at first my hostwas like uh was like I can't eat

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all that fat.
And then when I told him, I'vebeen doing that for 20 years,
and he felt like way morecomfortable.
He's like, oh, you've been doingit for 20 years, and you know,
you know, you don't seem to haveany problems with it.
I'm like, yeah, well, you know,eating cliff bars for 20 years,

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I might actually not have thekind of the kind of uh illusions
you're looking for, actually.
The spirit can run the dream waybetter than the ego.
And anything that says you haveto do something about something,

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that's the ego.
You never have to do anythingabout anything.
One of the best teachings in aCourse in Miracles, one of my
favorites, anyways, is you needdo nothing.
I keep going back to that onebecause it really seems like
everyone needs to do something.
That is certainly, certainly allof the reflections I get from

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people.
And you know, when I talk topeople about you don't do
anything, they kind of trip out.
Yeah, I had two people last weekafter my, I think it was wisdom
dialogue.
No, it wasn't.
It was ACIM Deep Diver.
We went over a part, and I justcasually um mentioned because it

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was relevant to what we weregoing over, that you do not do
anything, you have to see pastthe idea that you do things at a
certain point, and that's areally big one to pass.
That's a huge one to pass.
People get super defensive aboutit because they they look at it

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through the eyes of the ego.
Like, if I don't do anything,then I won't do anything.
It's like you have never doneanything, is the reality.
You have actually never doneanything.
But when you think you dothings, then you also seem to
fuck them up.
That's how that works.

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It goes back and forth betweenpride and shame.
That's a word I hear a lot frompeople.
Like people want to be proud,they want to be proud of
themselves, they like to beproud of other people.
But you know, it's always it,it's always just the opposite of
shame.
There's nothing to be proudabout.

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That's that's for the ego.
Pride is separation, there'snothing to be proud about.
I mean, if you were gonna beproud, but then it wouldn't
probably fit the definition ofproud.
You would be proud for everyonethat they are the truth, that
they are perfect innocence, beproud about that, maybe.

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But then that would defeat thedefinition, I think, because you
there's no comparison, there'sno there's nothing to compare it
to.
You're just proud of everyone.
Good job.

SPEAKER_01 (17:18):
You're the light of the world.

SPEAKER_00 (17:27):
I mean, just by having a life experience, by
having an experience in themoment, you are fulfilling the
plan.
You're fulfilling the plan oflove already.
So it's just where you don'trecognize that you're actually
fulfilling the plan of love, youthink that something else needs
to be done.

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Right?
Notice when someone's mood getsirritated, you know, and it
seems like the ego wants to jumpand try to fix something, try to
make someone feel better so thatyou can feel better.
You know, just let people havetheir space to have their mood
and go about your ownadventures.

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Let them have their mood withoutmaking it about you.
How about that?
And bless all your brothers.
You want to view all of yourbrothers and relate with all of
your brothers with brotherlylove.
Brotherly love.

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That's where you're notdemanding anything of them,
you're meeting all of your upsetfeelings that seem to be about
them.
It's very, very common when weget amorous feelings toward

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anyone for us to get theopposite feelings and to pay
attention to those feelings andnotice what are the thoughts.
That's why I could live likeThomas and I didn't have any
fights.
My host, Thomas.
We didn't have any fights.
We just live in peace andharmony because the thoughts

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that come up that seem to beabout the other are not about
the other.
So it doesn't get to any kind onany kind of roll.
You don't let things build upabout them.
Oh, that's their personality orsomething like that.
Let them be new in every moment,you be new in every moment.

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We want to join together inseeing perfect innocence.
That's all we want to dotogether.
We don't need we don't needanything from each other to uh
get by in life or anything likethat.
There is no life except as aneffect.

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Say there's no life inillusions, it's just the effect.
Like you are the life, you arethe eternal life, and so is your
brother.
So picture it.
Picture it like this theillusion that we're perceiving
is not outside of our mind, thewhole thing, including our body,

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all the brothers, too.
They're all projected from ourmind, just so that we could be
in relationship with everything,and help each other undo the
illusion that we're guilty.

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The only purpose of having timeand perceiving in time is so
that we can undo that guiltythought and see ourselves in
perfect oneness, in perfectinnocence.
So then every relating becomesdifferent, you know.
I don't I don't look at my lifethe same way people look at a

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life, you know, it's like Idon't have anywhere to really
go.
I just show up wherever peopleare uh are welcoming to me.
They're uh they're welcoming thewisdom I share, they're giving
me a place to stay.
Uh I just go there.
And people ask me, are youlooking for you know a place to
stay or you know, stay longer oranything like that?

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I'm like, no, I don't, I don't,I don't need anything.
Did you come over here to getsome more followers?
No, I don't even want anyfollowers.
You know, it just in the moment,whatever the spirit is asking of

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me, I know that the wholepurpose of it, the purpose of me
going anywhere and meetingpeople is for awakening the
mind.
I don't have to do anythingspecial though, like I'm not
trying to do anything, I'm justbeing wherever I'm being with
the perspective that I have.

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Right?
With the awareness that we'reone, with the awareness that
everything I perceive is comingfrom me, it's in my field.
So last night, oh, by the way, Itook up smoking again.
I don't know if I told you guys,but for the three months I was
in Mexico, I wasn't smoking atall.
Um, in case you don't know, Istill smoke spliffs.

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That's weed and tobaccotogether.
Some people say ganja andtobacco.
Um, and so when I was in Mexico,I didn't have any, I didn't do
any smoking at all.
It just wasn't like it wasn'tguided.
I mean, I guess you could saythat.
I just wasn't guided.
I know when things are guided.

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So then I get back over here anduh and I'm over here in Sedona,
and then I'm out one night, andThomas goes, Do you want to stop
by the store?
I want to get some cigarettes.
And I was like, Oh, okay.
So then he smokes one, and thenuh you want to smoke?
And I was like, I'll take alittle bit.
I don't really like it likethat.
I like it better with weed init.
Oh, well, let's get you someweed in it.

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So it just kind of like unfoldslike that.
The next thing you know, I gotsplips going again.
Um, so, anyways, uh, I that wasa whole lead up to I go out.
There's a smoking table here,and uh, and I love that.
I'm in an apartment complex,it's kind of like a little tribe
around here, it's really cute.
Um, there's a smoking table,it's got a little tiny thing in

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the middle, it's got like alittle barbecue-looking thing in
there.
Weed is totally legal here inArizona.
Um, and I and I go out there,and last night I get I have two
friends out there.
Well, one of the friends istalking about some heavy stuff.
It was like some heavy energiesgoing through.

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He sees this spiritual warfareand apparently is uh is
experiencing being attacked bydemons.
Yeah.
So I'm like, oh, this is aninteresting perception I'm
having.
And I'm like, and I'm I justlike check in.
I was like, show me how to behelpful here, you know.

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It's like this is like all theway to the point of not taking
any responsibility for theperception at all, just totally
believing, holy shit, there is awar, I'm on the side of the one
that's right, you know.
So I find myself sharing withhim.

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Uh I go, I can tell you justhave a very gentle and kind
heart.
And he's like, I do, I do, youknow, and uh and I told him, and
I'm sure love can overcomeanything that comes your way.
And you know, I saw him likevisibly calm down, just kind of

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like, because there's thisenergy, like, you don't know,
you don't know my life, and it'sso fucked up, and you know, this
kind of stuff.
And I saw him visibly just it'slike, oh, he can relate with
that.
Love overcomes all fearfulthings.
There's no reason to um make thethings bigger than the love that

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you are.
Love totally overcomes anything,it doesn't matter what it is.
You know, apparently there's uhthere's ideas that there's
portals out here and there'sdemons out here, and they come
into your uh place at night.
But then, you know, he also toldme that there's uh demons over

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in Pahoa where I came from.
And there's no uh I neverexperienced anything like that.
It was just always really sweet.
It was always really sweetpeople everywhere.
Um, but you know, I don't havetolerance for demons.
You know what I mean by that isI don't think of anything that I

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perceive as ever being separatefrom me.
So if a demon arises, that's thesame thing.
It's just about embracing itwith love.
And you know, you could say thatsomeone who's in a negative
mindset and getting reallyagitative, you could say that's
demonic energy right there, andand that's really uh all that a

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demon is, it's just like thatkind of demonic kind of thinking
all wrapped up, but everyone attheir core is a perfectly
loving, sinless being.
So how would it matter ifthey're embodied or not?

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You know, when you stay in theawareness that it's all unity,
it's all coming from you, andalso the awareness that the
perception, whatever's arising,be it demons or whatever, is a
hundred percent helpful, thennothing's a problem.

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And you know, this is what acourse in miracles talks about
with invulnerability.
You're not vulnerable toillusions, all things that you
perceive, those are illusions.
Your experience of the illusionis informative, that informs
your mind.

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You're the way you experiencethe illusion informs your mind.
You know, if you're having aperception of fear, a fearful
perception, and you embrace thatfearful feeling, noticing that

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the thoughts themselves are notone bit true, then you're back
to love.
That's how it works.
You just you're just willing tofeel the feeling and recognize
that the thoughts about this arenot true.
Let's say it's demons, you know.
People go through this.

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Let's say some kind of demon,some kind of disembodied,
whatever, you know, yourperception, perception's very
real to you.
I'm not gonna tell you there'snot demons because that's your
perception.
There's not anything you'reperceiving really, but they all
seem real to you.
So let's say it's demons.

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So if you believe in demons andyou get this, you perceive a
demon, you can't perceive whatyou didn't project either.
That's the fun thing.
You're projecting a demon.
You gotta laugh at yourselfabout that one.
So so let's say it's a demon,and then you get scared of it

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because you take it to be real.
So now you get scared of it.
It's it's as if this thing canhurt you.
So the feeling of fear, that'snot the obstacle, it's the
thought that says that youdidn't just project this demon.
You gotta realize that you haveyou have projected, you cannot

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perceive a single thing, not inthe spirit world, not in the
material world, that you didn'tproject.
Yay.
That that and that always works.
It it works in creation too.
In creation, it's extension,it's called extension.

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Because there's no projecting,because there's no falsehood,
there's no guilt.
But it still comes from yourmind.
There's no one else.
So let's apply this toheartbreak.

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Hooray!

SPEAKER_01 (30:28):
Something nobody knows about.
Yay! Yay.

SPEAKER_00 (30:34):
Ah well, I got to have a recent experience of
heartbreak, and I still havelittle remnants of it running
around in my psyche.
So this is a really good time toshare with you guys.
Right?
So gosh, I hadn't experiencedanything like that in maybe like

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30 some years.
It had to be it been 30 someyears, where I actually got the
experience like there washeartbreak.
That's the only way I can reallydescribe it.
I think that's what people callit.
Where you're you know, you'rethinking about the person a lot,
and um, when you think about it,it's kind of good, but it kind

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of hurts.

SPEAKER_01 (31:27):
You got you got mad thoughts in there, you got sad
thoughts in there, you gotloving thoughts in there, you
got sexy thoughts in there.

SPEAKER_00 (31:39):
Anyways, okay.
So noticing going through heartrate, some of the thoughts are
saying you're not gonna be okay,you're never gonna have that
kind of connection again.
Um, maybe something like that.
Uh it might even bring bebringing age into the uh
equation.

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Um, thoughts that want to try toprotect you from ever having to
go through that again.
I'm never gonna date this kindof person again, I'm never gonna
do this again, I'm never gonnado this again.
Those are ego thoughts.
When seen through, you can justsimply feel the feeling.

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Now, uh heartbreak, the otherside of heartbreak is feeling
like you're in love, right?
So that comes first where youfeel like you're in love, and
then the heartbreak part comesbecause it seems like the love
that you uh where your love waslanding that got taken away.
So noticing that love cannot betaken away because it came from

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you.
Sometimes when I say that,people go, What?
What?
What do you mean that otherperson came up and they were so
fun and they hung out with meand they played with me and then
they went and I was so happy andthen they went away.
Right?
Yeah, everything that arises inthe dream, remember, is
projected.

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So you project it, you projectthe scenario just so that you
can get over to the heartbreak.
Because it's the heartbreak thathelps you to know the love that

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you are.
So every time, look at this whenyou get the sense that you fall
in love with someone, you'reactually seeing qualities in
them that you're not as aware ofwithin yourself.
So it seems like they completeyou.
That's the seeming, right?

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So then when it doesn't work outand none of them work out
forever, people even seem to dieto get out of these things.

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Got taken away.
It didn't get taken away, it'sstill within you.
And now, with the heartbreak,with the feeling of heartbreak,
you could actually use that torecognize more of the love
within you.
Because what you really want andwhat you're looking for through
all of this stuff is arelationship with the all.

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Okay, a relationship, you'realready in relationship with
all, but let's say a harmoniousrelationship with the all.
That's every, that's everyone,that's every son of God, you can
say.

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To have that together.
Uh, it's like the the self thatwe are, the boundaryless self
that we are, this is how wecontinue to join with another
with one another to undo thethought of separation, even when
we're no longer in communicationor temporarily not in

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communication, whatever the casemay be.
It's like we're helping eachother and helping the entire
sonship by allowing the thoughtsthat arise about each other to
be brought to the truth.
Right?
It's like any any thoughtsarise, like, oh, this person,
you know, thought like thisperson did something to me.

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This person is this.
It's like, no, I only want tosee my brother whole.
So it's like we're using our allof our relationships for
demonstrating to our mind thatwe only want to see wholeness,
we don't want to see thesefragments anymore, and so that
changes the projector, thatchanges what's being projected.

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I was delighted to um havesomeone studying with me and
really getting deep intodialogue together.
That's the first time I've hadan experience where I live with
someone in close relationshipwhere we study every day and

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engage in dialogue togetherbecause we could see so much
that way.
And every time I saw him have anaha moment, it was like, oh, it
sinks in deeper for me.
I see why it's so important tohave dialogues together.
And I also see that there'snothing for me to do about it,
it's just gonna unfold that way.

(38:41):
That's just how it goes.
You know, I'm open for that.
It's like normally um whatpeople talk about is what's
known, what the known world,right?
Like, you know, a lot of thetimes when I go out to the
smoking table, I hear all kindsof stuff about what aliens are

(39:03):
doing and what um people in thegovernment are doing.
I hear all kinds of stories.
Um, well, you know, people aresaying them and they're being
projected by me, obviously,because I'm perceiving them.
So, you know, I I I don't Idon't hold anything against
them.
I'm like, I'm just kind of like,hmm, that's interesting.

(39:25):
Usually I'll just crack jokesfive places in there to chat the
to crack jokes here and there.
And you know, it's not aboutrejecting things like that, it's
not about rejecting umconversation about what's known
about the world, which is uhreally empty.
You know, it's it's reallyempty, but it's the love

(39:47):
underneath, it's the it's thelove behind everything, which is
what we're truly sharing, nomatter what the subject matter
is of the conversation.
Um, so I just stay inrecognition of that and let it
come through however it comesthrough, because I don't have,
again, anything to do.

(40:08):
It's funny, it's like I'm calledhere and I'm on a ministry, and
it's like, what do you do foryour ministry?
And I'm like, I'm just here.
Yeah, yeah.
Um I'm just here and and oh,what do you do for a living?
I'm like, this is it, this iswhat I do.
Yeah, people are really sweet tome.

(40:30):
They give me donations to do myliving expenses, apparently, um,
so that I can continue to dothis, uh, to just be in uh in
relationship.
Not that you can't be inrelationship having a job too,
um, but it's just not the thingfor me right now.
It's not the thing I'm called toright now.

(40:50):
I'm being in relationship andjust um chilling.
I'm good at chilling too.
I don't have to be that busy.
Right?
It's like it's not like I don'twork, so therefore I'm doing a
bunch of shit all day.
Right.
I noticed that when I came thefirst two weeks when I came here
to Sedona, my host said, Okay, Iwant you to spend the first two

(41:11):
weeks with me.
And um, I want you to do all myshit with me.
I'm like, cool, I'm I'm in, youknow.
Uh I'm I can do that for acouple weeks.
I was like, holy shit, thisguy's scheduled packed.
There's no way I'm doing thislonger than two weeks.
And and that's a person thatdoesn't have a job, but they

(41:31):
just filled the whole thing upwith all this stuff, right?
And and it's a lot of spiritualstuff and a lot of taking care,
like working out and stuff likethat.
Um, here's the thing about themind, though, and this is this
is what you know you you pick upon when you go any any ways down
a path of spirituality, is thatthe spirit wants your mind

(41:54):
still, not going from group togroup, reading a fucking book
and talking about it all daylong, right?
It doesn't the spirit wants yourmind still, like just quiet.
Like, what about just quiet?
You know, it's like like the thebusy mind wants to go in the

(42:17):
house, put on some music, andthen go in the car and put in
some music in there, and then inbetween, it's like doing all
this shit, you know, and for me,I just spend a lot of time
without anything.
There's no music playing,there's just you know, there's a

(42:38):
there's really a lot to see inthe unconscious mind, which is
always arising.
There's a lot to look at, andthat's what Jesus is talking
about in the recent ACIM deepdives about how the problem you
guys are having is that you'renot being quiet and listening.
You know, you're listening toyour own thoughts all day long

(43:00):
about what you got to do in theworld and what that person
thought and all this other stuffall day long, even the spiritual
study.
Uh, you know, observing thethoughts.
What Jesus was really clearabout, you guys are not
observing your unconscious mind.
You're you're you're keepingyourself busy, you're keeping

(43:22):
yourself too busy and toooccupied to even observe the
unconscious mind.
So, one thing I brought overhere to my host is block
therapy, right?
I always love block therapy.
I do not get paid by blocktherapy, I just love it.
Um, as I've seen it help peoplewho are having a busy mind and a

(43:43):
busy kind of uh day to justchill out and pay attention to
releasing fascia.
And, you know, he got into it.
He's like, I'm gonna do it.
I'm gonna do that for at leastan hour every day because you
know, you can feel it, you canfeel the benefits of it, right?

(44:04):
Um, and someone asked me theother day about that too.
But um like, why am I gonnacompress the fascia in the body
if the pain isn't even real, theadhesions aren't even real, and
all that other stuff.
Well, here's the thing about thebody is uh kind of like a

(44:26):
reservoir that you made whereyou put all of your attack
thoughts that you're holding upright now in the moment, and you
can feel the effects of thatright now.
And when you're noticing andyou're using that tool like
that, and recognizing, oh, thisis what I'm holding up right

(44:47):
now, and you're putting thepressure on it and you're
breathing with it, you'reactually demonstrating to your
mind that you don't need thatthought that's propping up that
pain right now that you got ablock on.
It's all illusory, but it feelsvery real to you.

(45:09):
And what I notice people doingum when they try to um try to
just ignore their health, andthat's very common for people
who are non-duality and a coursein miracles people to ignore

(45:29):
their health.
Jesus never said anything aboutignoring it, right?
He is saying to leave it to thespirit, let the spirit be the
guide.
You know, it's like with blocktherapy, I've got a schedule,
you know.
I got you could say Virgo energyif you wanted to uh do it that

(45:51):
way.
Virgo energy, right?
I have got I've got these listsof block therapy uh videos that
I want to get to.
And I cycle them around.
But when it comes to the, let'ssay the apparent decision
whether I'm gonna do blocktherapy or not, that's always in

(46:12):
the moment.
I'm checking in with my feeling.
You know what I mean by myfeeling?
It's a feeling of oneness, it'sa feeling of unity, it's a
feeling of innocence, of beingcompletely taken care of.
I check in with that feeling,and I'll know what to do because

(46:33):
I because my uh my intention andmy my direction, you could say
my focus, is staying in thatfeeling of union, of oneness.
So I don't do anything on myown.
When I was having a conversationwith a friend about not doing

(46:55):
anything, you know, he heard mesay it last week on Wednesday,
and he said, I just don't agreewith that.
I had I, you know what I didwhen I heard that?
I went and took care ofsomething that I needed to take
care of.
I didn't agree with that, and Iwent and I took care of
something that I needed to takecare of.

(47:19):
And the thing that is not easilygrasped is even that decision to
take care of the thing that youneed to take care of is program.
It's a program thought.

(47:41):
It's playing out on its own.
You know what's not a programthought when you recognize that
it's a program.

(48:05):
But there's there's thisresistance to it, and it's
funny.
It's amazing because you know,there's like repeating it,
repeating it, repeating it overand over again in a course in
love and a course in miraclesthat you never have done
anything.

(48:29):
And last week on Wednesday, Igot two people, both dudes,
which is pretty funny, going, Idisagree with you.
We have to make choices here.
You know, so many times in ACourse in Miracles, it's like

(48:51):
Jesus is trying to get you tosee that you only have the
choice between truth andillusion.
He's saying you could take allthose roads, it doesn't matter
what road you go, all these allthese decisions, they're totally
meaningless.
Why would you fight for them?

(49:12):
Anyways, my friend ended upcoming around uh the next day,
just kind of like letting himsee it on its own.
Letting him just see it, youknow, see it for himself.
It's funny because when some ofthese concept uh for me, when
some of these concepts uhtrigger people, I'm like, what?

(49:38):
How could that possibly triggerfor you?
It says here, here, here, here,here, here, here, here.
Like pretty much everything youfucking read in that thing,
you've been studying fordecades.
Says the same fucking thing.
All I'm doing is applying it tosomething practical in your
life.
That's the thing.

(49:59):
If it doesn't get real lifeapplication, it's not doing
anything.
None of your study is doinganything.
You guys on uh you guys on Zoom,feel free to raise your hand if
you want to ask me any questionsor just type in the chat.
I got you.
I also take uh QA if you want touse QA.
I love you.

(50:20):
So, anyways, uh I found myselfgetting frustrated for a moment
because I was just kind of like,what the fuck?
And then underneath that, I waslike, holy shit, there's a sense
of loneliness.
It is it's it's robust.
There's this sense ofloneliness, like no one fucking

(50:41):
gets it.
And you know what's funny?
That's also projected, andthat's something that I've been
doing since I was a kid.
That's how that's how it seemedwith my parents, like felt
lonely.
Like, what is wrong with thesepeople?
They don't get it, right?
So remembering perception isprojection, so then we don't

(51:02):
have to wallow in lone inloneliness, right?
It's not, it's there's it's notlonely because we've never left
God.
Of course, it seems lonelybecause it's all these mirrors
of an unconscious mind that'sgetting purified by looking at
it this way, by engaging in thisdialogue here with me.

(51:23):
See, as we recognize over timeagain and again and again, so it
gives us the time, gives usthese cycles so they can keep
rolling around, so we can seethese things more and more, and

(51:44):
recognize that we're not subjectto any of these illusions that
are arising in our experience.
There's nothing that needs to uhmake us lose our connection with
peace, with perfect peace.
And it's really simple, it'sjust noticing okay, I'm in

(52:04):
relationship with everything inthe field.
I'm in relationship witheverything in the field, and I'm
also in relationship with union.
So when I remember that that'sthe case, everything is
peaceful.
When I forget, there's a sense,like I say, a sense of

(52:26):
frustration.
That's always for me acelebration.
I'm seeing something, I'm seeingwhere I'm hooked.
And I can get unhooked that way.
See, I'm not something thatneeds to be purified.
I don't need to get better oranything like that.
Neither are you.
You're created perfect.

(52:48):
What needs to be seen is thatthis, what you made, is not
created.
You actually did not create it.
You're only perceiving it.
You're perceiving a projection.
It does not need to be rejected,it needs to be embraced.
You could say the self that youmade, the individual self, is

(53:12):
sort of like a receptacle foryour love or condemnation.
If you condemn it, it actscondemned.
It's all up to you.
It acts condemned, and itmanifests people and situations
to seem condemning toward it.
When you embrace it, it extendslove, and then it manifests

(53:41):
sweetie's sweetness.
Okay, it's fun.
Uh, you know, I'll getperceptions sometimes of people
being bitchy or catty toward me.
You know, sometimes uh uhsometimes women seem to act like

(54:01):
that way, kind of like bitchy orcatty or catty toward me.
You know what?
I just don't play into that.
So over time, if they'reexperiencing me over time, they
just automatically turn and theybecome more loving.
They can't help it.
The only way for them to keepthe cattiness, if they want to

(54:24):
keep the cattiness about me, isto just stay away from me so
they can keep on running thosestories without me interfering,
without me being interferingwith my expression.
And here's the thing about Idon't buy into it.
What it means is I don't give itany meaning.

(54:45):
It's my perception, so it mustbe my projection.
All I do is extend love.
All I don't try to get one up onanybody, right?
That is the last thing from mymind.
Like I'm gonna try to one up aperson.
That's how people get into thesethings.
It's kind of like a competition.

(55:08):
Like, no, I like, I just letthem have whatever
interpretation they want tohave, uh, not try to change it,
but also not join in that kindof thing, try to join in that
projecting thing as if there'ssome kind of a competition here.

(55:31):
And, you know, that allows me tospeak whatever the Holy Spirit
would have me speak because I'mnot afraid of anyone's cattiness
either.
I like to play with it, I thinkit's fun actually.

(55:51):
It's like, let's see what'sgonna happen here.
Probably this person reallywants to connect with me.
And you know, the other thing isI don't intentionally try to get
in their space either.
That's something I learned manyyears ago.
Having a person acting like thattoward me and getting a sense

(56:13):
like I need to change theirmind.
So what do I do?
I book their retreat.
So I'm like, I'm sure if they'rearound me, they're gonna I need
them to like me.
Next thing you know, I don'teven I can't even stay at the

(56:33):
retreat.
I'm just barfing like crazy.
That taught me something almostmany years ago.
I was like, oh, what a relief.
I don't have to chase anyone.
Where did I even get that ideathat it was good for me to have

(56:53):
that chick around, anyways?
How would I fucking know?
Glad I moved past that.
That was probably like 15 yearsago or something, way before
Course in Miracles for me.

(57:20):
I thought I had a mission backthen, 15 years ago.
I thought I had a mission whereI was gonna help everyone.
Um, and you know what I what Iperceived was mostly most people
were annoyed by it.
No one even wanted any of theaction.
Right?
So over time I just kept onlearning, okay, it's not like

(57:45):
that.
I don't have to get anyone tosee, I don't have to change
anyone's mind.
Really, I just have to be itbecause I'm really only
demonstrating it to my own mind,anyways, and showing by my
example there's another way tobe, there's another way to see

(58:06):
things, but but not by trying tobe that example.
You know, often I'll check inand just ask, show me how I
could be helpful.
And you know, it's funny when itcomes to praying and talking to
someone like that, it's like Iknow it's only me.
I know there's not anyone else.
I mean, even Jesus is in me.

(58:28):
Jesus, God, all the angels,everyone.
I know it's all in me.
So when I'm asking, show me howto be the most helpful.
You could say I'm asking myhighest self, is one way of
saying it.
I don't know, this sounds weird,but let's say it's the part of
self without any um ego, and thepart of self that knows itself

(58:53):
as union.
So it's kind of like a, and youknow, this has been called
wisdom dialogues for like 15years, and it's coming more
clear to me now why it's calledwisdom dialogues.
It's because there's always thisdialogue going on with the self
that's united with all and theimaginary self that you made,

(59:19):
but they're really one self,they're really one self.
There's nowhere to go.
There is only one self.
So letting this dialogue andletting this arise within you
too, letting this constantdialogue that's going back and
forth rather than the dialogueof the ego.

(59:41):
Look at what the dialogue, Iguess you would call it a
monologue, I don't know, of theego that's constantly talking
about your life, narratingthings, having hopes and dreams
and ideas about what to do, whento do them, things like that.
See, being carefree andspiritual.
Spirit, you can probably imaginethis.

(01:00:03):
It's like you just allow thespirit to let you know what
needs to be done at any time.
And putting all your cares onthe spirit.
It's in that moment.
And you know that the spiritdoesn't tell you what to do
either.
So let's have a caveat there.
Because it doesn't, the spiritdoesn't specifically tell you

(01:00:25):
what to specifically do.
There's just a um there's onething that feels the most
joyful, that feels like your,you know, your peace is not
being disturbed in that moment.
And don't worry, those thingsthat you seem to have to do that
seem to destroy uh disturb yourpeace.

(01:00:47):
Let's say you have uh an emailto do to someone where you're
apologizing to them forsomething or whatever your story
is.
Wait for the spirit to give youthe signal.
The signal is peace.
The signal is just peace.
It's like, oh, it feels peacefulnow.

(01:01:08):
You don't have to pushenergetically.
See, uh, it's not talking, we'rereally not talking about things
on the external world.
We're really talking about wherethe mind is at.
Is the mind looking at things?
Is your mind looking at thingsas if they're separate from you
and you have to do them?

(01:01:29):
Then your mind can use someredirection so you could be more
at peace.
Because when it seems like youhave things that you have to
take care of that spirit's notjust gonna do for you, that's
what people tell me.
Oh, the spirit's just not gonnado that stuff.
It's like the spirit doeseverything for you.
What the fuck are you talkingabout?

(01:01:52):
The spirit has never not doneeverything, there's no other
doer, it's all spirit.
So when you're when you're awarethat it's all spirit, then you
don't have to imagine that youhave things to do.
It's like, oh, you could be morecurious, you could be more like

(01:02:14):
a child, carefree.
Let's see how spirit takes careof this one.
Of course, it seems like you'redoing the things, it's an
illusion.
That's how it is.
Of course, it's gonna seem likeyou're actually doing things,
but you know what?
It's totally different when youdo it knowing that the spirit is
doing it and you're not doingit.

(01:02:35):
When it seems like you're doingit on your own, you're actually
having a certain kind of energythat's projecting what you don't
want to project into the world.
You're projecting an idea thatyou're separate, you're
projecting that you have thingsto do, and you're actually
making it so that uh otherpeople can be uh thinking in the

(01:03:00):
same way.
Like whatever thought you'reyou're projecting, you're
strengthening for the all.
You're actually strengthening itfor for the all.
So you want to strengthen thethoughts of truth.
That's what you really want todo.
These thoughts cannot come fromthe ego, they're not programmed

(01:03:20):
thoughts.
You want to strengthen thethoughts of truth, the thoughts
that say that I am not a doer,I'm a being.
You guys have probably seen thaton Facebook before.
It's so cliche.
You're not a human doing, you'rea human being.
Well, uh you're not even a humanbeing.
That is not true at all.

(01:03:42):
Uh, a human being, you know,when you say a human being, it
seems like you're saying yourmind is in your body, but your
mind is not in your body.
Your body and the whole world isin your mind.
You know, with the thought ofseparation in your mind, there's
only all you could perceive isthis world or the void, which is

(01:04:05):
apparently really scary.
I apparently went there before.

SPEAKER_01 (01:04:13):
Yeah, I was like, get me back to the illusion,
fast, fuck this place, fuck thisvoid.
Oh Jesus.

SPEAKER_00 (01:04:27):
Yeah, it was like there's this choice, you can
either stay here in the void andbe nothing, be totally nothing,
um, at least in yourimagination, or you can go into
this spinning world and besomething.

(01:04:48):
But even the void is just a gapthat you made up with a thought
of separation.
And there's no way you can doanything in the void either.
There's as far as, well, now I'mnot now I'm probably confusing
you because I'm saying, youknow, there's stuff something
for you to do here.
It's not stuff in the world,it's not things in the world.
The things in the world, they'replaying out like a ticker tape,

(01:05:09):
it's like a movie that you'rewatching.
But the doing that you do is youextend truth through your
relationships.
Okay.
So you can only do that whenyou're not in the void.
You see that?
You can only do it while you'rerelating with form.
So it's important that yourelate with form.

(01:05:30):
Don't worry, you don't have todo anything about this.
You don't have to go out more,nothing like that, because
you're constantly relating withform as you're perceiving.
So it's important that you'rerelating with form because
through that relating, that'swhere you see that there is no
separation.
That's where you see yourwholeness, that's where you see

(01:05:50):
your your innocence, and that'swhere you help literally
millions, maybe billions ofother people see too.
So that's why there's a choicefor a world with all these
different roles and things.
And when you see that that'swhat the roles are for, then

(01:06:12):
you're not, you're, you're,you're not taking them so
seriously.
Nothing is a big deal.
Nothing is, oh no.
Wish that didn't happen.
Everything that happens isperfect because it's not really
happening.

(01:06:32):
It's only unfolding so that wecan see.

(01:07:24):
Mercedes-Benz camper,apparently.
And he heard my wisdom dialoguesthat I did a couple weeks ago
where I was talking aboutcamping, and he says, I got you
covered.
I got you luxury camping.
And I'm like, cool.Anywhere I gowith anyone, wherever, wherever

(01:07:44):
I go with anyone, it's gonna belike this.
It's gonna be like sometransformational shit because
I'm not relating for the purposepeople are relating for.
I don't have anything to attain.
I don't have any kind of umgoal.

(01:08:04):
I'm the I'm just strictly, I'vegiven my body strictly over to
uh being a bridge, just being abridge for this mind to uh find
its way back to sanity.
That's all it's really valuableto me for.
So uh sure.
Mercedes-Benz, um, camping,that's fine with me wherever it

(01:08:29):
could take place, wherever itcould unfold.
Um, also, if you want to checkit out, you can go over to my
website.
It's at hopejohnson.org.
It's one of the services that Ioffer.
Um, yeah, let me know.
Also, there's a price on there,but I do it by donation.
So everything's negotiable.
You just um just ask me.
It's you know, if I'm a if I'mavailable, then I'll go.

(01:08:52):
If I'm available, let's say ifI'm available um and the Holy
Spirit is calling me to do it,that's gonna make me available.
Yeah.
I know that if I just um shareclosely, that's the other thing
too.

(01:09:12):
I know that if I just shareclosely, even with one person,
it's it makes huge changes.
You know, now my host has adifferent point of view.
Uh, as he's going around andmeeting people and interacting
with everyone, you know, thatjust keeps on um rippling.

(01:09:33):
It keeps rippling more and more.
People see more peace, peoplesee more freedom, and realize,
oh, I can have that too.
I don't have to keep playingsmall like this.
I don't have to keep playinglike I'm vulnerable, like I'm
guilty, like I know what to do.

(01:09:53):
You know, just go back to, Idon't know what any of this shit
means.
That's why I'm just gonna listento the Holy Spirit on what to
do.
I'm gonna listen to the HolySpirit on what to say, right?
So sometimes there's an ideathat there's a deadline of some

(01:10:16):
sort.
So maybe you put something onyour calendar, right?
That's also programmed.
It's not saying it's bad to putthings on your calendar.
And notice how it always getstaken to the external, it's
like, yeah, but look, I need toput this on my calendar.

(01:10:39):
I'm like, that's not evenrelevant to what we're talking
about right now.
That can go on your calendar.
This truth is true.
It's still the truth.
This is a dream.
It's a dream calendar, it's adream obligation.
Another thing people like to getinto is agreement with each

(01:11:03):
other.
Fuck that.
Agreements that you make in theworld, you don't think they're
taken care of by spirit?
They're totally taken care of byspirit.
You don't have anything to doabout that.
Irrespective of any agreementthat you made with any human,

(01:11:26):
the true agreement is youragreement to be listening for
the guidance in the moment.
You're totally breaking youragreement and being
irresponsible when you allow uhthinking against yourself to go
unchecked.
When you allow any delusionalthoughts to go unchecked, that

(01:11:52):
is breaking your agreement.
Look at it that way.
Instead of breaking youragreement with people, that
doesn't mean anything.
It's actually a show.
So just like the Holy Spirit cantake care of all the things, the
minutiae, of course in miracles,called it minutia.

(01:12:13):
I think the cameo is called, uh,I'm not sure what it's called.
It has something to do withusing the higher shopping
service.
Jesus was talking to Helen andBill about using the higher
shopping service to find acertain coat that Helen wanted.
Jesus was saying she wasted toomuch of her energy looking for

(01:12:36):
that coat when the Holy Spiritcould just bring it to her.
And the reason Jesus is tellingher that is because he wants all
of our minds available and notcaught up with the minutiae,
meaning the things that we seemto have to do in the world.
So just seeing if we can releasemore and more of this minutiae,

(01:13:00):
the apparent things we need todo in the world, to the spirit.
This would mean writingsomething down on a calendar or
something like that uh is not aproblem.
It's the way you think about itand ruminate about things over
and over and over again.
Okay, what am I doing tomorrow?

(01:13:21):
Again and again and again.
Okay, what do I okay?
Uh I'm gonna get back on mydiet, I'm gonna get back on my
exercise program, that kind oftalk, right?
I grew up with that kind oftalk.
My parents were doing that.
It would be like Sunday night,and they just got all these
cakes or candy bars or whatever,and they're just scarfing out

(01:13:44):
and the way they're eating, too,I'm watching them eat, and
they're getting no joy out of itat all, right?
I'm like a little kid and going,what the fuck is wrong with
these people?
They're just like scarfing someshit down and they're talking
about starting their diet in themorning, right?
I think this is still a thingfor people.
I'm not sure.
Um, but one thing that taught meis I don't have to have any kind

(01:14:05):
of concern about stuff likethat.
You know, uh my host asked me,do you ever cut back?
Like on eating, do you ever cutback?
And I go, you know, it's justnaturally cutting back and then
ramping up all the time.
I'm not in charge of that.
You know, it could be on a dailycycle, or you know, one day I

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might not eat that much in themorning and more in the evening,
or flipping around a differentway.
Um, it's always just in themoment, what feels at ease?
What feels at peace?
This also means not tempting theego.
Let's like let's say you havethis strong belief, and you know

(01:14:50):
you have a strong belief if youuh seem to be gluten intolerant,
okay?
That you've got the strongbelief that bread's bad for you,
gluten's bad for you.
That means you don't need totempt the ego.
It's not you like youpersonally, you you uh
specifically think about I'mgonna eat some bread and prove

(01:15:10):
whatever.
It's not like that.
It's what's the most peaceful.
You don't have anything to provethrough your eating, it's what's
ever the most peaceful andjoyful for you.
And that's one of the thingsthat I was sharing and extending
with my host over here.
Um, you know, just noticing theway he was eating.
And I was saying, the way you'reeating, it just doesn't look

(01:15:31):
that good.
It doesn't look that fun.
Uh oh, why?
Oh, well, it seems veryconceptual, like you're getting
your macros right now.
And and also low fat.
What's the deal with low fat?
Right?
What's the deal?
What's it that's from the 80s orsomething where they told us to
eat low fat.

SPEAKER_01 (01:15:51):
I think it was a psyop.
It's like eat like this and youwon't get fat.
And then it's like the opposite.

SPEAKER_00 (01:16:10):
So I go, hey, how about if you do this?
How about okay, you got a uhlet's say, let's see, you got um
no fat in this meal.
I'm looking at, let's say, forinstance, a chicken breast, uh,
a dry ass chicken breast, andthen there's some maybe a salad
that people love that one.

(01:16:31):
The chicken, that's not thatthat's not that's not so to me,
but still uh yeah.
What you know, one thing I justlike go, hey, what about eating
dark meat, dark meat chicken?
And it's kind of like, what?
Oh, that's a thing, right?
Because it's like we gotprogrammed in the especially if

(01:16:53):
you're around the 80s to eat allwhite meat, right?
And it's like devoid of fat,right?
I'm like, yeah, how about likeuh you eat?
He's like, oh, I can do that.
Oh, he's like, dang, this isjust like, you know, it feels
like almost like a kid, youknow, like going, getting
permission to eat some stuffthat's like when you're eating,

(01:17:15):
you're like, mmm, mmm, that'show I like to eat.

SPEAKER_01 (01:17:19):
Mmm, ah that's how you know you're absorbing some
nutrients really well.

SPEAKER_00 (01:17:35):
It's like when you're eating conceptually
something that you, you know,you're not having an experience,
you're not having like a juicy,uh, salivating experience with.
You're having a a mentalconceptual experience with your
food.
It sucks.
And it's meant to be like that.

(01:17:57):
Okay, so it's meant to glorifythe ego.
The ego knows how much youshould eat.
Okay, check.
I did that much protein, I didthat much fat.
I ate this much vegetables.
Okay, I've been a good boy.
I could sleep without floggingmyself tonight.

SPEAKER_01 (01:18:18):
I don't have to beat myself up.

SPEAKER_00 (01:18:22):
At one point, it's like the end of the week, right?
It's like the end of the week,and there's this idea that uh to
have a good week, it means thismuch time spent at the gym and
this much time doing this otherthing.
And so it's the weekend, it'sSaturday, and and I hear, okay,
I did all my workouts.

(01:18:43):
It's like almost like you havepermission to rest because you
did all of your workouts.
I go, loosen that shit up.
Loosen that.
That's something that you knowis right to get loosened up.
That needs to be unraveled.
Let me see what I'm using hereto make myself small, and also

(01:19:05):
giving myself a very monotonousfucking lifestyle here.
I'm not gonna feel okay unless Ido these things that take up my
whole fucking week.
And then on Saturday, I could belike, oh, I've accomplished so
much.
There's nothing to beaccomplishing.

(01:19:26):
There's there's nothing.
There's actually nothing.
What you want to do is get intothe juicy groove.
It's a juicy groove.
You know, the the spirit, uh,the self who's united with all
feels like a peace, a reallyjuicy flow.

(01:19:48):
That's not uh that that's notattacked by anything, it's not
threatened by anything.
It's just this willingness toenjoy.
You can enjoy when you're caughtup with concepts that tell you
what enjoyment means.
It's like something for later tothe ego.
Joy is always something in thefuture to the ego.

(01:20:14):
That's how it stays empowered.
And it's it's funny because whenI'm sharing something like this
um with someone in closerelationship, it's kind of like,
are you sure I'm gonna be okay?

(01:20:37):
Like, are you sure?
And I go, you can't go wronglistening to the spirit.
And you know, from my point ofview, uh I just go, I'm not
gonna mind whatever seems to uhappear about my body because I'm
not attributing anymore.

(01:20:59):
This is what I want to get outof at the time.
It was like, this is what I wantto get out of.
I want to get out of attributingany kind of uh effects to food.
I want to stop attributing thatbecause everyone's doing that.
They're talking about uh eatingcake makes you fat.
Um uh, oh, you you ate thatmuch, you're gonna die of

(01:21:24):
diabetes or something like that.
You know, I just said I'm notgonna care what occurs to the
form.
And I'm just going to do thisexperiment.
Life is like this.
It's good for experiments.
I'm gonna do this experiment.
I'm gonna eat as guided by theHoly Spirit, and I'm not gonna

(01:21:48):
give any weight to thoughts thattell me that I'm being affected
by the food, good or bad.
I spent a lot of my life doingthat because of the way I grew
up, which you know I shared withyou more recently uh or earlier
about how my family would go ondiets, my parents, right?
So I had this mindset aboutfood, like I was going to figure

(01:22:13):
it out.
I was going to make sure I ateeverything that I was supposed
to eat.
And you know what the funnything is, I could do the
experiment, the experimentperfect, because I have
ridiculous willpower.
Right?
So I could really do theexperiment.
I'm not the chick at the endgoing, man, I didn't, if I only

(01:22:36):
would have eaten a little bitmore protein and less fat or
something like that.
I'm not you know that chick atthe end.
No, I did it.
I'm like, I've done it.
Uh exactly perfect.
I didn't even miss one thing.
So I'd experiment like that andnoticed none of it worked.

(01:22:57):
None of it really works.
The only thing that works islistening to the spirit.
That's the only thing thatactually works.
Seem to have a really uh uh areally great body right now.
And I'm and I didn't doanything.

SPEAKER_02 (01:23:15):
Hundreds of hours of blocking.

SPEAKER_01 (01:23:18):
Oh yeah, hundreds of hours of blocking.

SPEAKER_00 (01:23:21):
She's saying hundreds of hours of blocking.
Yeah, that doesn't count though,because I'm still not doing
anything hundreds of hours,probably thousands of hours of
block therapy.
Yeah, it's been three and a halfyears, and I've been doing

(01:23:42):
probably on average, if Iaverage it all out, about three
hours a day, every day for threeand a half years.
I I freaking love it.
I love getting, I love gettingthese releases.
It's fucking amazing.
And you know, it's like the HolySpirit knows I love it, and it's
just like always a yes.

(01:24:04):
And and like I said before, theHoly Spirit isn't telling you
specifically what to do.
When you're when you're askingthe Holy Spirit to help you see,
it's like the Holy Spirit justhelps you see what is the best
reflection of being at peace,enjoy, and joy.
A zoom user said hundreds ofhours of laughter.

(01:24:26):
Yes, there's that too.
Yes, that's good for it too.
Yeah, just giving it to the HolySpirit to take care of.
Right?
And when I was in Mexico, therewas a sense like, oh my God, I
might not have my blocks for afew days because I was having
someone make blocks in Mexico.
And I go, oh my God, I noticedthe most attachment to those

(01:24:47):
blocks, more attachment to thoseblocks than I even notice to any
person.
Even the person that I seem tobe in love with right now, I I
would say, fuck that guy, giveme my blocks.

SPEAKER_01 (01:25:07):
So I just need a little forgiveness around that.

SPEAKER_00 (01:25:12):
Knowing that the Holy Spirit will make sure I
have my blocks if I need them.
All right, Edame, you're on.
Hello, aloha.

SPEAKER_02 (01:25:22):
Hey, so this conversation about food, one of
my um I love coffee.
Yeah.
And I know I'm it's not, I can'tdo it all the time.
Like I'm like a sporadic coffeedrinker.

SPEAKER_00 (01:25:36):
Why can't you do it all the time?

SPEAKER_02 (01:25:38):
Well, here's the thing.
If I don't, if I okay, if I doit for like a week or two, if I
get into it, actually it couldbe any caffeine, matcha tea,
green tea, anything withcaffeine.
Okay, um, I will get a killerheadache that will last for
about 20 hours.
Okay, if you do it too much.
If I if I do it and then I getoff, like if I if I do it and

(01:26:01):
then I have a day where I don'tdo it.
Okay.
It's the worst.
And somebody, I I like, I likewould love to be able to like
occasionally do that, but thenit throws me off.
Like physically, I just don'tfeel well when I don't do it.
And so I get off of it for along time.

(01:26:22):
And my husband drinks coffeeevery morning in my kitchen.
And so on the weekends, I'mlike, oh, I'm gonna have a cup
of coffee.
And then it starts a littlepattern sometimes.
And then I'm like, oh, I can'tstop drinking coffee today
because I can't have a headachetoday.
You know, like all this.

SPEAKER_00 (01:26:38):
Okay, so these are just ego thoughts.
It's not, it's really, it's notwhat it seems.
So so if you want to work withthis, this is a perfect thing.
This is a perfect thing to workwith because you know, you you
believe I could tell that youbelieve that this coffee is
doing this, like it has to dowith the coffee at all.

SPEAKER_02 (01:26:57):
Yes, see, that's what I'm hearing from you.
Like, yeah, this is it, it's notthe coffee's not giving me the
headache, is what you're saying.
That's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_00 (01:27:06):
Yeah, yeah.
You see, you are you areautomatically, because of the
way the circumstances are setup, you're automatically
believing what you're seeing.
But remember that perception isprojection.
You already wanted to see thatsomething had an effect on you.
So you so so now you'rebelieving it, you're believing
the projection.

(01:27:26):
See, so so now you justdisbelieve the projection.
The all of the evidence issaying that this is what coffee
does to you.
You deny that that evidence isone bit true.
That's all you have to do.
Because even the story onwhether you drink coffee, even

(01:27:46):
the thought that occurs to you,and here's here's where you
could work it too.
Notice the thought occurs toyou, hmm, coffee sounds good
right now.
And then you get another uhthought telling you, oh no,
don't drink coffee, you knowwhat it does to you.
Okay, and then you just go, HolySpirit, show me what to do and

(01:28:10):
go with the ease.
It could be either way, youcould be drinking coffee, you
could be not drinking coffee.
But the main thing is wheneveryou do get the effects, the
seeming effects of coffee, yourecognize that you're projecting
your effects right now.
They're not caused by coffee.
Okay.
Now I find myself like uh likewhen I was in Mexico, I didn't I

(01:28:35):
didn't find myself drinkingcoffee every day.
I didn't feel to make it.
I didn't, you know, same thingwith spliffs.
It's just like I don't even goout and get the components for
it, you know, like no need.
So uh so I would I would go outjust about every day, not and
not every day, and I wouldn'tnotice if I didn't do it, but

(01:28:56):
maybe around 12, one o'clock, goget a cappuccino from a cute
little cafe, right?
Um, and then I came over here,and my host is drinking coffee
every day, and I'm like, okay,I'll just I'll just do that for
now.
So I'll just like changedepending on whatever it is, uh,
whatever it is that's the mostuh uplifting, let's say

(01:29:19):
peaceful, right?
And so and so I train my mind tosee I'm just doing whatever's
the most peaceful, and anythingthat um anything that arises
like any kind of uh of effect, Iwould deny any reality to that.
I wouldn't make anything have aneffect on me, just in my mind.

(01:29:43):
Do you see that?
Is that pretty easy to do?

SPEAKER_02 (01:29:46):
Yeah, you know, this is the part that I have a hard
time with with the Course inMiracles, just like just the
physical reality part, yeah, andthat it's an illusion.
Like I'm just like, well, it'sbe and it's because time and
again I experience the samething, you know, and it's just

(01:30:09):
like, I don't know.
That's the part, that's like oneof my little parts that I
struggle with.

SPEAKER_00 (01:30:14):
Yeah, well, that's very common for people,
actually.
Yeah, because it seems like theeffects are are the effects.
It's just, you know, and andthis is and and because this is
up for you too, this is a hugetransformation being offered to
you right here.
This is like really huge for youto recognize that these things

(01:30:35):
are only having seeming effects,it's your mind making the
effects.
This unhooks you from victimhoodof all kinds.

SPEAKER_02 (01:30:45):
Yeah, yeah, I love it.
I want to learn this, and and soI have an opportunity right now.
Yeah, I had coffee tomorrow.
I would love not to have coffee,but I can't get a headache
tomorrow, right?
So this is all like I'm justwrapped up in it and I I see it
and I'm like, okay.

SPEAKER_00 (01:31:04):
Yeah, so so all of those, so all those thoughts are
meaningless.
Yeah, you're just all you'regonna do is listening, listen to
the Holy Spirit and see what'smost peaceful in the moment.

SPEAKER_02 (01:31:16):
I love it.
Isn't that easy?
Yeah, it it is.
You make it so easy, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:31:24):
You don't have to figure it out at all.
Yeah.
Well, you know, I had to I I hadto make it easy for myself
because it's like I have to dothis.
I have to do this.
It was just like it was givenme.
There's no other um uh morepeaceful thing I can do than
this.
This is what I have to do.
So I just I I just startapplying it to everything, and

(01:31:46):
you know, I even apply it tothings like cold, like when I'm
feeling cold, right?
Which is kind of common for me.
But you know, that's an illusionI'm also gonna see through at
some point because I'm on it.
Right?
I I'm not uh I'm not mentallyblaming the weather for making

(01:32:10):
me cold.
I am the fucking weather and thecold, right?
So it's retraining your mind tosee what's actually happening.
Yeah.
Because we're not seeing what'sactually happening, we're seeing
an effect of what we wanted tobelieve about ourselves, which
was that we're separate andwe're vulnerable to things.

(01:32:32):
And that's not gonna say I'm notgonna get help if I'm cold.
That's gonna be automatic.
Like, I'm like, holy shit, Ineed to go get something warmer
on, right?
I'm gonna find myself justhaving that thought and probably
walking over to my house, areverence stain.
Get something warmer on to becomfortable and juicy and warm.

(01:32:56):
It's just that I'm not blamingthe weather for making me cold
because I'm aware that I makethe weather and the cold.

SPEAKER_02 (01:33:05):
I like it.
I like it too.

SPEAKER_01 (01:33:08):
I love you.
Thank you.
Thank you.

SPEAKER_00 (01:33:17):
All right, yay, yes, hundreds of hours of laughter,
orgasmic laughter.
That's the thing.
It's like the spirit is supersensual, and that what that's
what comes through form, and itcan include all of your

(01:33:37):
movements, everything.
Uh going to the bank, right?
Not something I find myselfdoing very often, but I know
some of you do this.
Um, what else?
Going grocery shopping, uh,contacting technical support.

(01:33:58):
All of it can be super juicy.
There's no need for thisdrudging.
Watch your posture.
Notice how you're walkingaround.
There's no, you don't need totrudge around, right?
I'll notice my posture sometimesfirst thing in the morning, you
know.
Um, just the way I'm walking outof my bed, and I'll let myself

(01:34:21):
have the juicy posture, justlike a ah, an upright, because
what the ego wants to do is kindof like get out of bed in a
weird way.
It wants to like crunch yourshoulders over and get your arms
behind you in a weird way.
And I start noticing that, and Igo, I'm not walking around my
house like that just because noone's here.

(01:34:43):
I'm not walking around like anego that's got a bunch of things
to do that no one cares about,and it's got to count up all its
macronutrients and make sure itgets its day worth of food.
Make sure it gets the day worthof food right.

(01:35:04):
You know, the ego sense ofproductivity, the ego sense of
productivity is it goes over allthe shit oh you've done today,
the worldly shit that you'vedone, and count that as
productivity.
It's not productivity, it'snothing, it's not bad, it's not
good, it's just nothing.

(01:35:25):
It was the form, it was themeans through which love extends
through you.
That's what all of that apparentproductivity was for, so that
love could extend through you,and that's truly what's
productive.
And you can feel totally at easegoing to bed every night because

(01:35:51):
you've been a hundred percentproductive.
Your apparent life is how Godexperiences and how this whole
thing unwinds, and how everyonecomes back to the truth.
You're a hundred percentproductive every day just by
experiencing, you don't need todo anything else.

(01:36:14):
That's even if you don't bringyour illusions to truth.
That's if you don't forgive,that's if you don't perceive
yourself extending love.

Because, see, here's the thing: you're not even capable of not (01:36:24):
undefined
extending love the whole timeyou're experiencing, you're
always extending love.
There's nothing but that.
It's just that do you extendlove into your dream?
If you do that, then you're atpeace.
See, so you can you you're 100%productive no matter what.

(01:36:45):
Are you actually resting inpeace?
Thank you, Alexia.
I love that.
Are you actually resting inpeace?
That's letting you know whetheryou're seeing needs to be
corrected, but that doesn't makeyou any less productive.

(01:37:06):
There's really uh no measureabout it.
So this is a this is a reallyfun mind practice, too.
Notice when you are going to bedat night.
What's going on with your mind?
Is it going over your day to seewhere you've been productive?
That's okay.

(01:37:27):
You don't need to push thosethoughts away.
Just recognize those thoughtsare meaningless thoughts.
Those thoughts are irrelevant.
Kind of like what Edmae wastalking about with these
thoughts that say, I I I don'twant to drink coffee tomorrow,
but if I don't drink coffee, I'mgonna get a headache.
Those are meaningless thoughts.

(01:37:48):
Leave it up to the Holy Spiritin the moment, and deny all
effects, nothing can harm you,nothing can even make any
changes to you.
So funny.
So um in Mexico and also here inSedona, I've been experimenting

(01:38:09):
with laser services.
Um, that's where they use alaser to address skin.
Um wrinkles, stretch marks,birthmarks, uh what, freckles,
all kinds of different thingslike that.
So I've been playing around withthat stuff.

(01:38:30):
It's fascinating because thewoman who does the laser is
partners with this man who knowsquantum physics really well.
And he's telling her, okay,these lasers have certain
frequencies, but he can also seethat no thing can affect another

(01:38:51):
thing.
Only love affects anything.
So he shares that with uh hispartner, who is the woman who
owns this.
Uh, I think she owns it.
I don't know.
Maybe it's a franchise.
It's called Laser Girl.
Laser Girl, it's like asuperhero thing.
Um, so she knows we're having aconversation about this.

(01:39:13):
So she knows that technicallythe laser is not doing anything
to your skin, it's not doinganything to anyone.
It nothing has any effects.
And when you're looking at it interms of laser, you know, and in
one of them, I got somethingdone where it was like Christmas
lights.
Like there's um there's there'sred and blue lights kind of like

(01:39:37):
twirling around my skin anddoesn't feel like anything, it's
like nothing, and and that's andthat's interesting because
that's how everything is.
It's really not doing anything.
Uh with lasers, it seems likeit's more obvious that this
isn't really doing what it seemsto be doing, it's actually the

(01:39:59):
intention, it's actually the thefocused attention, and so her
partner tells her it's only lovethat changes these appearances,
even the appearance of the skin.
So he tells her, you know, bekind to them, connect with them.
Um, and that's what helps, andthat's really the truth.

(01:40:23):
There's nothing that can makeyou uh sick or energized,
there's nothing that can makeyou uh more beautiful or more
ugly.
And one thing I noticed too, uh,if I put any uh any kind of
reality into the lasertreatments that I get, then that

(01:40:46):
same reality also goes over tothe spliffs.
See?
So then it's like that thing isgood for me and that other thing
is bad for me.
One thing is really aging, andin fact, if you ask AI uh about
smoking specifically uh tobaccoand weed, it's like the most

(01:41:07):
aging thing you can do.
So I'm looking at that and I'mlaughing about it because I'm
going, oh my goodness, we justcannot be giving reality.
We cannot be giving cause toanything to be able to affect

(01:41:28):
our body.
That's what Jesus was talkingabout.
How giving cause to anything toaffect the body is what's
killing bodies.
Because you automatically, ifyou make something healthy or if
you make something good for you,you automatically project that
the other thing is bad for you.

(01:41:49):
So in recognizing that your mindis holding them all up, and
there's not some kind of balancethat you need to strike either.
Okay, if I do this much goodstuff, then I can do this much
bad stuff.
It's not like that either.
It's just a matter ofrecognizing that illusions
cannot affect what is true.

(01:42:09):
We can we can use them aspermission slips.
We can use these things aspermission slips.
Like you can go, okay, I'm uhI'm gonna engage in this laser
to make my skin more firm, let'ssay.
Um, but I know I'm only using itas a permission slip, right?

(01:42:30):
And then when you're engaged insomething like smoking, you
don't have any uh intention forit to make you uh aged, let's
say.
It's like I'm using this smokeright now to tune into the
spirit, right?
I'm just using it to tune intothe spirit.

(01:42:50):
You don't have to use it for umbeing bad for you or hating it,
or I know I shouldn't be doingthis.
That's not a very juicy way tobe smoking.
Now you want to do your smokingin a really juicy way, just do
everything like that, right?
Stop making up a purpose like,oh, this is uh really bad for

(01:43:13):
me.
All you're doing is givingyourself permission slips.
Why would you give yourself apermission slip to make
something bad for you?
That doesn't make any sense.
See that?
So I don't intentionally try toeat canola oil or vegetable
oils, right?
I I don't intentionally try todo that.

(01:43:35):
I don't go buy it, I don't putit in my house.
Um, but if I seem to eat it, Iseem to be out somewhere and
they cook their stuff in cornoil.
Usually that's how they do it.
And I seem to be eatingsomething, I do not give it
effects.
That's the difference betweenwhat I do and my mom and dad did
when I was a kid.

(01:43:56):
They would give strong effectsto a candy bar, to the point
where if they ate one candy bar,they would need to eat 10 of
them.
They would feel like they needto be eating 10 of them now so
that they could start somethingthe next day where they reject
candy bars.
I don't have any way of remoterejecting anything.

(01:44:18):
I could find myself eatinganything and I don't feel guilty
about it.
That's the difference from howit was when I grew up.
For many years, I would go overat night, and you know you guys
might go over if you're beingproductive.
I would go over what I ate andsee if it was if I did okay this

(01:44:39):
day.
And I would try to have moredays where I did good and didn't
mess it up.
But from practicing this formany years, it's not even a
thought.
My friend asked me if I cutback.
I was like, I don't even havethat concept at all.
I don't get the sense, I don'teven hear the thought that says

(01:45:00):
I need to cut back on somethingbecause it just doesn't make any
sense.
I eat as much as it's juicy tome.
Right?
So I can't go wrong.
And whatever the body seems todo, uh uh seemingly caused by
that, it cannot be caused bythat.
But whatever the body seems todo, I'm gonna be in acceptance

(01:45:22):
of it.
I'm not gonna stop listening tothe spirit so I could try to
save my body.
What would I be saving it for ifnot listening to the spirit?
Right?
The reason for listening to thespirit until you're aware that
you just are the spirit.
The reason for listening to thespirit is you could be at peace

(01:45:45):
and you could be at ease.
So the idea of taking care of myeating apart from spirit really
makes no sense if it means beingin dis-ease.
See, the the kind of ease theego puts out for you is this

(01:46:08):
ease of thinking that you knowhow to do it and that you did it
right.
That is not true ease.
Look how threatened it is.
Tomorrow you got another day tofuck it up.
And you will eventually.

(01:46:59):
When I go to a restaurant, I'lllook at the menu and I'll just
see what seemed to make my mouthwater the most.
Isn't that nice?
I'm not looking at the calories,I'm not looking at uh what it's
even cooked in.
I don't care.
It's whatever makes my mouthwater the most.

(01:47:21):
Well, sometimes I do care.
When it's fried food, I usuallyask them, what oil are you
using?
And then I'll just I'll justnotice I'll probably usually eat
much less of that.
It's just automatic.
I don't have a uh a judgmentabout it or anything, even the

(01:47:44):
thought to ask them what oil isit in.
I just let that unfold.
Any of my preferences, I justlet any of that unfold.
It's like, oh, well, if you hadtold me you made it in lard, I
would have been eating the shitout of it.
So no, not really.

(01:48:06):
I just eat until it tastesamazing, you know, and and then
it goes, and then it goes down,it goes, uh, it goes, it'll go
up to this really aw, so juicy,and then it'll get to the point
where it's not that juicy, andthen you just ease off of it,
maybe start taking smallerbites.

(01:48:29):
Simple, joyful eating.
Someone told me that they wouldlove it if I did a um workshop
here in Sedona to help peopleeat joyfully.
So I have three weeks left.
We'll see if that unfolds.
But it it would be uh reallynice for people, I know, to have

(01:48:52):
that pressure off because whatpeople seem to do is either, and
I've done it myself, that's whyI know, is either go, okay, I'm
on a strict diet, or I'm justcheating.
So you can let yourself off thehook from either one of those
for being by being in the middlepath, which is I'm just
listening to the spirit andhaving a really juicy good time,

(01:49:15):
uh saliva flowing, beautifulexperience with my food.
I also tend to, I don't have anyissue with fasting because I
don't have any idea about when Ishould eat or how long I should
go without eating or anythinglike that.
I could just tell when it's timeto.

(01:49:38):
That's just what feels the best.
So, you know, I might findmyself uh in a car on a trip,
and the only place to stop is7-Eleven, and then it'll be
like, hmm, do I feel like eatinganything?
Do I want to eat that?
Does that feel good?
And just feel into it.
Let yourself feel.

(01:50:00):
Like I'll go into the 7-Elevenin the circle K and I'll look at
the things that they have andI'll get a sense.
How does that feel?
How does that feel?
How does that feel?
What I'll normally find myself,uh, usually find myself doing is
just walking out of therewithout eating anything and just
kind of like, I'll just waituntil something that feels

(01:50:21):
really awesome comes up.

unknown (01:50:23):
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (01:50:24):
And that's not a rule.
It could be that I'm, you know,one day it could be like, oh
yeah, I'm having Circle K nachostoday.
Do they make nachos?
I don't know.
7-Eleven definitely does, but itmight be like, okay, this is
what I'm doing.
I'm having, and and it's gonnabe it's gonna be amazing.
That's the thing.
The whole experience of eatingthose nachos, even if it seems

(01:50:47):
to come from 7-Eleven orwhatever, is going to be deep.
It's gonna be beautiful, it'snot gonna be a guilty thing
where I'm hogging down a bunchof food.
Each bite is gonna be met withjoy, it's gonna be infused with
enjoyment.
Yay! All right, you guys.

(01:51:08):
Thank you for joining.
I love you.
Please let me know if you haveany questions right now.
I'm winding down.
I got about eight minutes left.
So I'll be back on Wednesdaywith ACIM, a Course in Miracles
deep dive.
We are just moving along thebook uh through the book,

(01:51:29):
chapter two.
We're in chapter two right now.
It gets really deep.
I like to get um deep with thoseconcepts so we could see exactly
what Jesus is saying because theego likes to twist these
concepts around and make it sothat we can change what he's

(01:51:52):
saying.
So I like to get that reallyclear because the clarity helps
you to see how to train yourmind.
This is mind training.
See the different tips I giveyou about okay, here's where you
could put it in.
You know, you could always askme questions like that, like
I've got this thing going on,and it seems like I'm hooked

(01:52:12):
into this particular pattern.
What would you do in thissituation?
How would you train your mind inthis situation?
Feel free to ask me anythinglike that.
I'm available for it.
And and you know, people ask mestuff like that all the time.
Like, how do I just see thisdifferently?
How do I see, for instance, thesituation where it seems like I

(01:52:36):
don't have enough money?
That is the one that goes on allthe time.
Enough money for what?
What do you want enough moneyfor?
Oh, I want to do this thing, Iwant to have a big house, I want
to do uh trips and stuff likethat.
Okay, so what did you actuallyuh come into this dream for?

(01:52:58):
What did you come here for?
Did you come here to get a bighouse?
Did you come here?
No, I don't I don't think Ireally came here for that stuff,
but it would sure just make itnice.
Right?
Sure, just make the dream nice.
Okay, so we make the dream niceright now.
Really, right now.
It seems like to the ego, thisisn't gonna give me what I want.

(01:53:19):
But what you want is peace.
So we make it nice right now.
The the the sweetest thing, themost peaceful thing is to be
without want.
Really, to be without want.
That doesn't mean having all ofyour apparent wants in the world
given to you.
Being without want is being thefulfillment of desire, not just

(01:53:43):
the desire.
You're the desire, you're alsothe fulfillment of desire.
So to be the fulfillment ofdesire is right now.
Desire is only arising out ofdesire to know your wholeness.
That's the desire.
So you be the fulfillment ofthat desire in this moment where

(01:54:07):
you're focused only on knowingyour wholeness.
It's as if, from the ego'sperspective, getting that house,
getting that vacation is gonnalet you know your wholeness.
But if you really look at itfrom right here and go, will I
know my wholeness or will therejust be another want?

(01:54:28):
Will just lead to yet anotherwant.
Well, I don't want anything whenI'm knowing that I'm the desire
and the fulfillment.
The fulfillment is now, it's notin the future.
Even just having a desire forsomething in the world, it's not
for something in the world, it'sfor wholeness.

(01:54:51):
It's a trick, as if it's in theworld, it's a trick.
Nothing and everything cannotexist together.
Thank you, Glenn.
I love how you pay attention tothose ACIM deep dives.
That's great.
That's exactly what we weretalking about.

(01:55:14):
Nothing and everything cannotexist for every together.
So when we're talking aboutabundance, if you believe that
you do want something in theworld, that's settling for
nothing.

(01:55:35):
When you recognize that thatwant actually came from wanting
wholeness and that you are thefulfillment of that desire right
now, just by recognizing thatthat want is an illusion.
That's how you're fulfillingyour desire.
You're recognizing that thatwant is actually a trick telling

(01:55:58):
you that you want this over herebecause you really want
wholeness, which only you canfulfill right now.
See that?
Isn't that fun?
Yay, thank you.
I love you.
So I'll be back on Wednesday, asI said.
And in the meantime, go tohopejohnson.org for anything

(01:56:19):
hope johnson.
I do one-to-ones over there.
Um, also, please feel free todonate.
I love it when uh people donate.
It's such a joy for me to seethat they uh they appreciate the
sharing that I'm doing and theyappreciate me uh just floating
around being a fairy of love andlight.

(01:56:44):
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I really appreciate you.
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Wasn't that easy for my friendthe other day?
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(01:57:08):
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Um, so I encourage people goahead and do it like that, or
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They allow that too.
So there's also my book onthere, Unschooling for Parents.

(01:57:31):
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Thank you, everyone.
Oh, and I'm gonna be on a radioshow with Wayne next month.
He's got a radio show going inHawaii, and I'm planning on

(01:58:56):
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