Not So Fast: A Smarter Approach to Intermittent Fasting Benefits That Last

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Intermittent fasting is like exercise.
They're both hormetic stressors, meaning they stress the body
in a way that promotesbeneficial adaptations on a
cellular level, and when youdon't push it too hard and don't
stress the body too much, youwill always get benefits from it
.
So they're in the same class ofintervention and therapy.

(00:20):
Exercise in intermittentfasting, many others as well,
like infrared therapy or coldplunges or cryotherapy, or even
antioxidants and certain plantcompounds.
They stress the body slightlyso that you get these beneficial
reactions that promote a better, thriving human.
So, drawing all thesecorrelations between exercise

(00:42):
and fasting, I'm like no wonderfasting can help you with your
brain, your mental health, yourenergy and mental clarity.
It can even help you preservelean muscle tissue and amplify
the effects of your workout.
So I started to really see that, without a doubt, you can
achieve some of the benefits ofa keto diet or some of the

(01:02):
benefits of exercise, which haveboth been proven therapies for
ADHD, and you can do that withintermittent fasting instead or
in addition to those othertherapies, and that's what we
need.
Adhd folks or anyone looking toovercome brain fog, we need
more options.
We need more things toexperiment with, because we

(01:23):
sometimes feel like we've triedit all and that we're like
helpless.
But really there are so manyways that we can improve the way
our body functions in this likeincredible cascade of chemical
reactions that we can, you know,initiate through something like
fasting.

Speaker 2 (01:40):
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(02:04):
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I am your host, jean Collins,and I invite you to become
inspired by this week's guest.
Welcome to the House of Germarpodcast where wellness starts
within.
I'm your host, jean Collins,and today's guest.
We are going to talk aboutsomething I am so passionate
about health, wellness andintermittent fasting.

(02:25):
Today's guest is Marisa aboutsomething I am so passionate
about health, wellness andintermittent fasting.
Today's guest is Marisa Moon.
I am so excited to have her onthe show.
I normally don't read people'sbios, but I don't want to get
this wrong because this is soimpressive, so give me a moment
to read a little bit aboutMarisa.
So she's a National BoardCertified Health and Wellness
Coach, a primal health coach andadvanced expert in intermittent
fasting.
She's an expert atmarissamooncom.

(02:48):
Get this guys.
She's ranked by Google searchas the number one intermittent
fasting coach since 2018.
She recently published a numberone new release in Amazon
bestseller in 2024, titled Notso Fast the Smarter, more
Gradual Approach to IntermittentFasting Benefits that Last Guys
.
That is a very impressive list.
Number one on Amazon.

(03:08):
Hard Marisa, welcome to theshow.

Speaker 1 (03:11):
Thank you so much.
Wow, you're really giving methis glow that I need to come in
strong.
Thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
Well, when I was doing some research and I have
bought your book, so, by the way, everybody, this, this is the
book, this is no joke.
It's 450 pages aboutintermittent fasting I was a
little scared at first, becauseI do fast.
So I was like, wow, there'sthat much that I don't know, was
the first thing that I thoughtis there's a lot that I don't
know if it's in the 450 pages.
But also, while I was doingsome research about you before

(03:42):
this show, I was like, wow,you're interested in so many
things just from a healthperspective, a nutrition
perspective, gut health,understanding our bodies,
understanding where we came fromand taking it back to basics
that I thought, wow, I'm goingto have a hard time keeping this
under an hour, guys, becausethere's so much that I could
talk to her about, but I'm goingto do my best.

(04:03):
So, to kick it off, I love toshare how people got to where
they are.
So how did you get interestedin health and nutrition and your
own personal wellness?

Speaker 1 (04:15):
Yes, I was struggling with IBS.
It was undiagnosed irritablebowel syndrome.
I had all these embarrassingsymptoms around the age 28 in a
relationship, dating my nowhusband and he's a physician and
I was like really embarrassedto talk to him about this.
But I was like, hey, do youknow why I'm having all these

(04:38):
issues?
It was embarrassing because wewere dating and I was having
like gas that clears the roomand, like you know, I didn't
want to be intimate, I didn'tknow if I was gonna have to go
to the bathroom or not.
Like it was like an urgentsituation.
It was awful and it makes youfeel gross and not pretty and
you start to really like hateyour body.
It was just a horribleexperience and I was already

(05:00):
into like holistic health alittle bit just out of my
personal curiosity and interest,but I decided he didn't know,
he was like I have no idea, likeI cannot even begin to help you
and because of my interest infood and and health and stuff, I
just kind of decided I'm gonnasearch to see if there's like a
podcast about IBS or abouthealth that I can learn

(05:24):
something about how your dietaffects your digestive tract and
at the time, like gut healthand all that wasn't really like
a topic this is a long time ago.
So luckily I found these superawesome holistic nutritionists
that were introducing to me tothe gut microbiome and how we're
developing a lot more foodsensitivities these days and

(05:47):
through a series of episodes andlistener calls I realized I
could possibly have a foodsensitivity, primarily concerned
about gluten and dairy, whichwere the most common
intolerances that people werecalling about.
With the symptoms that I had, Idid not like the idea of giving
up either of those foods,whatsoever.

(06:10):
I mean, I'm a foodie, I lovefood and it's a big part of my
life always has been and I waslike I can't even believe I'm
entertaining this idea.
But I was desperate.
So I decided to try goinggluten-free and I said I'll just
try it for two weeks.
Nobody has to know, except formy boyfriend, and I will just
see what happens.
If it doesn't work, then fine,I don't have to tell anyone.

(06:30):
It was immediately relieving mysymptoms.
It was so impactful.
It was scary too, because I waslike, oh my God, does this mean
I can never have gluten again?
I have a pretty severeintolerance.
Luckily, I only had to get ridof dairy for a short time.

(06:51):
I have an absolutely healthytolerance and zero sensitivities
to it now, but I had a leakygut.
That's usually what's at theroot of a lot of food
intolerances or autoimmuneissues and gut problems, and so
I had some healing to do, and itled me to the paleo diet, the

(07:11):
primal blueprint and that wholefield of ancestral health, and I
decided to become a healthcoach.
I was a career bartender at thetime and I knew that wasn't
going to last much longer, youknow the hours Interesting
dichotomy there.

Speaker 2 (07:25):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 (07:28):
And I was like I know I want something else in my
life, but I find bartending sofun and the money so great.
It was hard to leave.
And then, when I becamepassionate about nutrition, this
idea of a health coach cameabout.
It was like 2013 or so, so Iwas a food blogger, blogging
about my gluten-free recipes andmy experience, so that kind of

(07:49):
paved the way for me to share mythoughts and ideas about food
and nutrition in a veryroundabout way.
That has landed me here.

Speaker 2 (07:58):
Wow, that is so great .
And you do still have a blogand you still have recipes.
What made you go from like,okay, I'm going to do this for
myself, because I need to learn.
I need to learn how to cook, Ineed to learn how to eat
differently to.
I want to become a coach andhelp other people, cause that is
, that's a leap.

Speaker 1 (08:18):
Yeah, I mean, I've always been in the service
business, service industry orhospitality or something along
those lines.
Working with people is like ano brainer for me.
It's like yes, absolutely, andI'm also, you know, very
compassionate and curious person.
I like to understand allperspectives, and so it was not

(08:39):
even really a question as towhether I would like to coach
someone.
It was just is that a thing,and will people pay for it?
Of course that was a concern itdidn't exist before, you know,
this really started to emerge inthe industry.
So I was like my husbandactually, who was my boyfriend
at the time was like, hey,you're already reading about all
this stuff for fun.

(08:59):
So you know, why not just takethe certification course?
Because it was by Mark Sisson,the Primal Blueprint author, and
I was already like readingeverything he wrote and he
founded the Primal Health CoachInstitute.
And so, Eric, my husband's like, why don't you just go for the
certification?
If you never do anything withit?
You're not really losinganything, it's already something

(09:21):
you're passionate about, so youmight as well do it.
And I'm so glad he put it thatway, because I was like getting
flashbacks to college and like Idropped out of college three
times, Like I was like, oh no,the school thing, I can't do it,
you know.
But it was.
He was right, it was somethingI was like naturally driven to
do and you know, I didn't haveto take all these prerequisite

(09:41):
courses.
It was just like, hey, let'slearn more about something you
already love.

Speaker 2 (09:45):
It makes such a difference, doesn't it, when you
can do something you love.
Now, when did intermittentfasting come onto the scene for
you?

Speaker 1 (10:01):
Oh gosh.
So I was intermittent fastingpersonally because I wanted to
figure out how to have betterbrain power and performance.
Trying to build a business orblog.
I was struggling with my ADHDbrain.
Right around the same time Ihad IBS problems.
I had discovered I have ADHD,which explained why I dropped
out of college three times.
Nobody knew that's what wasgoing on.
So intermittent fasting helpedme have better mental clarity so

(10:24):
that I could actually show upfor myself and my goals and like
follow through and deliver onsome of these ideas that I have.
I'm just an endlessly creative,idea-oriented person but you
know, action and follow throughit can be really challenging for
me and other individuals withour brains, our individuals with
our brains.
So intermittent fasting wasimmediately rewarding.

(10:45):
I was like, oh my God, this islike second nature already.
I didn't overthink it.
I didn't even feel like Ineeded to learn much about it.
Once I learned about it from aprimal perspective because it
was in my education from thePrimal Health Coach Institute
and it's in the primal blueprintand all that I was like, okay,
that makes sense.
But I wasn't interested yetbecause I was like I love food.

(11:07):
I love eating, I don't want toskip meals.
That sounds like it sucks.
But then, once I made theconnection to my brain, I was
like, okay, my brain needs allthis blood flow, oxygen and
resources and it's verydemanding when I'm working.
But if I'm digesting food, allthis blood flow and oxygen and
resources going into my GI tractand my stomach, and so no
wonder, after I eat I'm likechecked out.
I don't want to do my work, I'mdone Like I'm just done.

(11:36):
I cannot force myself to do it.
So intermittent fasting wasappealing to me, finally,
because I wanted to help my ADDand it worked.
So I eventually startedteaching it because I was
actually going into coachingwith a specialty in gut health.
But my plans were derailed bysome businessman who called me
and said I found you on thehealth coach directory and I

(11:57):
want you to help me build thisbig business that's going to be
financial wellness and healthand wellness combined and you
can be our head health coach.
And I was just like, oh my God,this is amazing.
I was like a new health coachat the time.
I felt so excited.
But he turned out to be amental health case.

(12:19):
He warned me that he had issues, but I didn't know that they
were going to be that severe.
Like I'm not even kidding, itwas like so traumatic he made a
suicide video on Facebook live.

Speaker 2 (12:32):
Oh no, and one of the fellow coaches that was in our.

Speaker 1 (12:36):
you know our organization said you need to go
on Facebook live right now.
I'm seriously concerned and youknow the police came and
everything during the Facebooklive.
I reported it.
It was like so traumatizing forme because I had wasted like
four months in the like ideasphase trying to like build this
business with this person andyou know I felt like I wasted

(12:59):
time and I was an idiot forfalling for all of the sales and
idea you know, tactics he used.
But the reason I'm telling allthat drama is because if it
wasn't for that, I never wouldhave decided to be an
intermittent fasting coach.
I would have been trying to bea gut health coach, which is
really broad, honestly, and verychallenging to do.

(13:20):
And so at that time, when I wasreally down in the dumps after
the whole video and everything,I was like I need to start over.
And so at that time, when I wasreally down in the dumps after
the whole video and everything,I was like I need to start over.
And I had already done apresentation on my step-by-step
approach to intermittent fastingand people gave me a lot of
response for that.
For the first time out of any ofthe presentations I had done,
they were like are you recordingit?

(13:40):
When are you going to do itagain?
And I was like what?
I mean?
This was a long time ago.
I don't nobody knew aboutintermittent fasting.
I was shocked that anybody evencared.
So that was a sign to me.
I was like I already have likethis step-by-step system.
Let me just put it into Kajabiand make it an online course and
see what happens.
And I called myself anintermittent fasting coach and
that's how I became the numberone ranked Google search for

(14:04):
intermittent fasting coach since2018.
It was because at that time,nobody was an intermittent
fasting coach, nobody wascalling themselves that, and I
was the first one to establishmyself with that title.
It's amazing.

Speaker 2 (14:18):
I love it, but it shows like, outside of you being
a coach and an intermittentfasting person, from an
entrepreneur perspective, itshows you just stepping into who
you really are and what you'repassionate about and stepping
into that role, instead ofwaiting for someone to sort of
crown you with that role.
Stepping into that roleentrepreneurs and we often talk

(14:42):
about jumping before you'reready and don't wait until you
feel like you have every boxchecked to put yourself out into
the world with your experienceand your expertise, and so your
story aligns with thatbeautifully.
Oh, I'm so glad you shared thatpart.
Wow, and it gives you a nichetoo, which is very in the world

(15:03):
of holistic health and nutrition.
I mean, there are a lot ofthose like you mentioned gut
know in the world of holistichealth and nutrition.
I mean there are a lot of thoselike you mentioned gut health.
There's a lot of that.
This gives you a very specificniche by being an expert in
intermittent fasting.

Speaker 1 (15:13):
Yeah, and trust me, I was like how much could there
really be to learn or to coachabout intermittent fasting and
my mind?

Speaker 2 (15:21):
was continuously blown.

Speaker 1 (15:24):
Yes, I was like, oh my God, I never thought I would
still be interested in the topicnow or that I would still want
to coach the same thing, but itis.
It's so incredibly nuanced andunique to each person's
circumstances that are alwayschanging, because we're always
changing, and that's how itturned into a book of that size.
First, I will say that Iformatted it for the ADHD brain,

(15:44):
so I took a lot of that size.
First, I will say that Iformatted it for the ADHD brain,
so I took a lot of liberties inthe formatting that were a
trade-off.
Instead of having a shorterbook, I sacrificed that appeal,
that visual appeal of a shorterbook, so that I could have
double spacing between everysingle paragraph, so I could
have tons of bulleted lists, soI could have lots of subtitles

(16:05):
and bolded font and things thatmake it easier to read and grasp
this dense content.
And I achieved that.
And so, even though it can beintimidating at first, I mean,
hey, if you look at the reviews,they tell you too it is so easy
to read.
And I did it like thatintentionally and it ended up
being really what I hoped itwould be.

(16:25):
So I'm proud to say that ithappened especially with ADHD.
I wrote a book what the heck.

Speaker 2 (16:33):
Anything is possible, folks.
Well, and it's funny that youmentioned that, because I don't
have ADHD but when I started toread your book and we talked
about this before we startedrecording I was like at first,
you know, like, oh, my goodness,there's so much.
But before we started recording, I was like at first, you know,
like, oh, my goodness, there'sso much.
But when you look through thetable of contents and the
different chapters, I was like,okay, this starts to make sense.
You kept the chapters reallyshort and I even said to you
like you have lots of bold soit's really easy to find, like

(16:55):
the key points of the pages.
You have lots of bullet points,lots of steps, like it's very,
very easy to read.
You have pictures, diagrams, soit's really easy to follow on a
subject of nutrition which canbe very scientifically dense,
and you have definitely broughtit down to like the lay person's

(17:16):
terms, which I commend you forthat, which is amazing.
So I want to talk about twothings, because you mentioned
something in the beginning and Inever would have thought of
this.
So I really, out of my ownpersonal curiosity, you
mentioned trying intermittentfasting for your brain health
and I started intermittentfasting for my waist and for

(17:37):
losing weight.
Know who does it does it forthat reason also.
So would you mind spending acouple of minutes talking about
the brain component, because Ithink that's really fascinating
and something I had never heardof.

Speaker 1 (17:52):
Yeah, I mean, it really is a fact that most
people come to intermittentfasting because they want to
lose weight.
But I just started piecingtogether, like I said, what I
know about what my brain needsand what I know about my demands
for digestion and how theywould be competing, and so I was

(18:14):
teaching flexible intermittentfasting because it worked better
for my ADHD and because I couldleverage it to get more done at
times that I actually needed itand that allowed me to create a
very flexible intermittentfasting, step-by-step protocol,
which differentiated me in myindustry.
And it also was really pivotalbecause I was finally coming out

(18:37):
about ADHD.
I was never talking about itbefore.
So then it turned into thiswhole thing, like people want
more information.
I'm speaking on ADHD summitsand I'm coaching ADHD clients
specifically who are coming tome because I'm finally
disclosing my struggles withADHD.
So in that process I started toresearch a lot more about things

(18:59):
that could potentially supportthis theory and I also had a
brain scan done it's called EEGbrain mapping because I was like
, hey, I'm writing this theory.
And I also had a brain scandone it's called EEG brain
mapping because I was like, hey,I'm writing this book I would
like to sort of validate mytheory if I could.
And I found a guy in Chicago,dr Sam Afara from Synapse
Chicago, and he did two brainmapping sessions on me in a row

(19:22):
and I was fasted for the firstone on no ADHD medication, and
then I ate a salad that I madehomemade dressing, all the good
nutrition and ingredients inthere, and then 30 minutes after
I ate he did another brainmapping session to compare and
he was quite shocked that it wasvery clear my ADHD was far

(19:45):
exacerbated and my ability toconcentrate, my irritability
levels, my likelihood of feelingdepressed and unmotivated all
of that was so greatly impactedjust because I ate, had this
instinct that that's what wasgoing on.

(20:06):
But it kind of goes against alot of the things that we learn
about your brain needing foodand lots of snacks and you know
you getting energy from that andyou can't focus because maybe
you didn't eat enough.
Like it just was reallycontradicting to me and I'm so
glad that I did that and tooklike just sort of had the
courage to like see where ittook me, because then I really
connected the dots and it's likewe already have all of the

(20:27):
evidence that this is good forthe brain.
I mean, intermittent fasting islike exercise.
They're both hormetic stressors, meaning they stress the body
in a way that promotesbeneficial adaptations on a
cellular level, and when youdon't push it too hard and don't
stress the body too much, youwill always get benefits from it

(20:47):
.
So they're in the same class ofintervention and therapy.
Exercise and intermittentfasting.
Many others as well, likeinfrared therapy or cold plunges
or cryotherapy, or evenantioxidants and certain plant
compounds.
They stress the body slightlyso that you get these beneficial

(21:07):
reactions that promote a better, thriving human.
So I'm drawing all thesecorrelations between exercise
and fasting.
I'm like no wonder fasting canhelp you with your brain, your
mental health, you know, yourenergy and mental clarity.
It can even help you preservelean muscle tissue and amplify

(21:29):
the effects of your workout.
So I started to really see that,without a doubt, you can
achieve some of the benefits ofa keto diet or some of the
benefits of exercise, which haveboth been proven therapies for
ADHD, and you can do that withintermittent fasting instead or
in addition to those othertherapies, and that's what we

(21:50):
need.
Adhd folks or anyone looking toovercome brain fog, we need
more options, we need morethings to experiment with,
because we sometimes feel likewe've tried it all and that
we're like helpless.
But really there are so manyways that we can improve
helpless.
But really there are so manyways that we can improve the way
our body functions in this likeincredible cascade of chemical

(22:10):
reactions that we can, you know,initiate through something like
fasting.
And it doesn't have to be hard,like the internet makes it
sound.
You don't have to, you know,just drink water or fast 18
hours, or you know there's somany different ways you can make
it your own 18 hours or youknow, there's so many different
ways you can make it your own,so fascinating.

Speaker 2 (22:31):
And you do talk about how to make it easy.
So let's talk about your.
Reset is the acronym that youhave in your book.
So talk about RESET and kind ofthe steps that you recommend
people take and consider if theywant to start becoming curious
about intermittent fasting.

Speaker 1 (22:43):
Yeah, reset is an evolution from the original
step-by-step method I wasteaching.
It's how anyone can safelystart or restart with
intermittent fasting with thegreatest likelihood of turning
it into a long-term lifestyle.
And the reason that it's safefor anyone to try is because it
starts with 12 hours and thenyou are gradually introducing

(23:06):
other elements of the resetmethod to determine what is
working for you and how tocustomize it for your needs.
The reset method in the manual,by the way, anybody can get on
my website.
I'm sure you're going to givethem that link and it is the
backbone of this book.
I mean, that's where the entirebook came from is the RESET
method.
Reset's an acronym.

(23:27):
The R in RESET is reduce yourcarbs, e is eat nourishing foods
, s is start with 12 hours, thenext E is extend your fasts and
the T is thoughtfully adapt.
And so when you're firststarting simultaneously, while
you're starting with 12 hours,you're reducing your carbs

(23:49):
little by little and you're notlike going on a keto diet from
the start.
That's going to automaticallymake it unpleasant for you,
rewarding so that you want tokeep doing it and you want to
make it into a lifestyle.
So you're gradually trainingyour body to depend less on

(24:12):
carbohydrates, a little at atime, while you learn to eat
more nourishing foods that's thefirst E while you're fasting 12
hours.
So all these things worktogether to make fasting more
effortless, to make carbreduction more effortless and to
make your body respond morefavorably to the intervention of
intermittent fasting.
Because if you try to just doit without reducing your carbs
or without eating nourishingfoods, you might find yourself

(24:33):
tired, starving, overeating whenit's time to eat again,
miserable and wanting to quit.
You might have headaches,nausea, all sorts of sugar
withdrawal symptoms, keto fluthe way that I teach it.
Nobody experiences that.
That's not going to happen.

Speaker 2 (24:51):
Yeah, it was interesting because you, I want
to say you, say to start with a21 day goal of reducing your
carbs and at first I was like,wow, that's a long time,
especially given our culture ofwanting an immediate response
and wanting to see an immediategratification for effort in.

(25:14):
So how, when your clients cometo you and that's part of the
process how do you handle thatsocietal norm that we all have
now, like everybody just wantsto go take a pill, they want to
take Ozempic and lose 20 poundsin two weeks.
How do you deal with that?
Because that must be achallenge as a health
professional.

Speaker 1 (25:33):
I am not like literally telling them what to
do Right, Because I just respectthat they have their own idea
of what and how they're going todo something.
But they usually come to me ata point, almost like a
crossroads, where they're likeI've tried this, I've tried that
or this has been happening.

Speaker 2 (25:51):
They need help.

Speaker 1 (25:52):
Yeah, and so they're open at that time to do
something different.
It was just last week or thisweek Monday, when I had a new
client who is going to the gymfive times a week and not really
aggressive workouts, but fiveworkouts a week and working full
time and sleeping five to sixhours a night and intermittent

(26:15):
fasting 16 to 19 hours a day andwondering why she's not losing
weight.
And I said what if I told youto stop fasting?
I'm like we need to address yoursleep.
That is no matter what ifyou're not sleeping.
It doesn't matter what diet yougo on or what workout routine

(26:37):
you do.
Unless you are like 23 yearsold or a man under 30, I should
say it is very unlikely that youwill be able to achieve any
progress with thoseinterventions until you get
better sleep.

Speaker 2 (26:53):
And I loved that in your book that you have chapters
about sleep and I just thought,when it comes to my point of
view on holistic wellness, aftermy life crashed for myself when
I was 50, sleep becamesomething that I started to
prioritize.
Where up until then I neverprioritized sleep.
I'd get up at five o'clock inthe morning, I'd work till one
in the morning, midnight,whatever.

(27:14):
I would sacrifice the sleep inexchange for getting up and
working out and being like Ineed to get the exercise in and
I don't get the sleep and I madethis massive shift and part of
it's because I'm older and Ijust need more sleep.
But I love that in your bookyou talk about the importance of
sleep and I think you even sayin there like if you don't add
this as part of the equation, itwill not work.

(27:41):
Think about when you're sleepdeprived.
Your body is now craving allthese other things and you start
to crave sugar and I was likemyself.
I'm like you know, if I get abad night's sleep, I definitely
eat worse that next day becausemy body feels like it needs
something and I'm trying tosatisfy that with not good food
choices and even in my world notgood food choices are actually

(28:04):
pretty good food choicescompared to most of society.
But it's still those sugars,it's those fast carb rushes to
try to get your energy back up.
It was so fascinating.

Speaker 1 (28:17):
Oh my gosh.
There's so many direct andindirect ways that lack of sleep
is messing up any of yourhealth pursuits, even your
career pursuits.
I mean it is so imperative thatyou get enough sleep so that
you can have enough brain energy.
One of the most shockingdiscoveries I learned in the
scientific literature is thatthe human brain, the mind,

(28:41):
cannot conceive of how sleepdeprived or impaired it is when
it is deprived and impaired.
So over and over in humanstudies they will ask people to
take some tests and then theywill be sleep deprived and they
will ask them to take a testagain and they'll say how do you
think you did?
How well do you think you'll do?
Do you think you need moresleep?
And they always are wrong abouttheir guess and they

(29:04):
underperform compared to whatthey think they're going to do
and they like under emphasizehow much that lack of sleep has
affected them because the braincan literally not conceive of it
.
You know, one of the questionsyou asked me was about
intermittent fasting and itseffect on the brain, and we have
to understand that asproductive adults with jobs and

(29:27):
working on complex thingsthroughout the day, we rely on
the most advanced region of thebrain In the front.
It's called the prefrontalcortex, and that region is one
of the areas that is mostimpaired in the ADHD brain, but
it is also the biggest energyhog in the entire brain, and so
that is where the mostmitochondria are densely packed

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in the body.
Mitochondria are where energyis made inside every cell.
There are thousands per cell inthese brain cells, but hundreds
per cell everywhere elsebesides the ovaries, and the
reason I'm bringing this up isbecause when your body's short
on energy because you didn'tsleep enough or you didn't get
any quality sleep, the firstplace it's going to cut off

(30:12):
energy and resources is theprefrontal cortex and your
ovaries.
Those are the most demanding andlike densely resourced energy
centers that the body's like hey, we got to cut some of our
expenses, here we're running onempty.
We got to do what we can tomake sure that this human's

(30:33):
going to be able to have a heartbeating and eyes open, maybe if
we're lucky.
So we think about that and goback to the studies showing us
that we can't conceive of ourimpairment.
It makes so much sense whypeople who are sleep deprived
really fight this idea that theyneed more sleep.
It's like they are in completedenial and incapable of having a

(30:55):
vantage point that is reality,quite frankly.

Speaker 2 (30:58):
Of even seeing that they, yes, yes.
Well, you also talk aboutstress, which we all know.
Stress is bad for us, but Ithink a lot of times people just
go along with that.
You know, we all have stressright, like it's just kind of a
part of life.
But you have, I want to say youhave a whole chapter that talks
about stress and the if not two, that talk about stress and the

(31:20):
importance with it.
Stress plays in this overallholistic.
You know how do you fast?
Stress plays in this overallholistic you know how do you
fast?

Speaker 1 (31:26):
If there's like a single book or article that
you're reading that doesn'tmention stress but it's about
intermittent fasting, get rid ofit, because intermittent
fasting is a stressor.
Remember, in the beginning Imentioned that it's a hormetic
stressor.
It stimulates hormesis.
So is exercise, so is saunatherapy and cold therapy, all
those other things I mentionedthe keto diet, ketosis, another

(31:48):
form of stressor, but when youdo it right, it's a beneficial
stressor that helps you comeback stronger, smarter, faster,
more resilient all these things.
And so if somebody is talkingabout intermittent fasting
either how to troubleshoot, howto increase your success or
decrease plateaus and setbacksthey have to talk about stress.
It's impossible not to,especially it's 2025.

(32:10):
And everybody is stressed morethan usual, and it's like we're
kidding ourselves if we don'tthink that's part of the
conversation.
It's essential because we allhave a threshold, a stress
tolerance, and your body has adifferent idea of what that
threshold is than you do in yourmind, and so we're often going

(32:31):
to hit a wall, a plateau, asetback, whenever you're trying
to add more of these beneficialstressors on top of the stresses
you already have talking about.
You know what's your familylife and home life, like you
know.
Do you have any big burdens onyour time and energy right now?
Do you like your job?
Do you feel like you work toomany hours?

(32:52):
All of those things are tellingme more information about
somebody's stress tolerance.

Speaker 2 (32:58):
Yes, interesting.
All right, can we switch gearsand talk about sugar burners
versus fat burners?

Speaker 1 (33:05):
Yeah, absolutely.
Sugar burners and fat burnersare just some playful
terminology that I use todescribe when somebody is either
metabolically flexible, whichis what you want to be, which
intermittent fasting helps youachieve.
It means that your body can useany fuel that you give it or go
without fuel for a while andstill meet all of its needs,

(33:27):
whereas a sugar burner which iswhat most of our society is,
that is someone who is relianton frequent feedings and
carbohydrates for energy and sothat if they go long enough
between meals or don't get theirsugar fix or their carb fix,
they're going to be hangry,irritable, might have headaches.
You know, no energy and can'tcheck in fix.
They're going to be hangry,irritable, might have headaches,
no energy and can't check in onwhat they're trying to do, and

(33:51):
so it sucks.
First of all, being a sugarburner I've lived it, of course,
a majority of my life, and wewere sort of led and trained to
believe and turn into thesetypes of eaters because our food
pyramid, for instance, turninto these types of eaters.
Because our food pyramid, forinstance, is grains on the
bottom, you know, telling usthat we need to have all these

(34:13):
really carb heavy foods, andthen our food industry is set up
so that that is the cheapest toproduce and it's also the most
addicting for us in our braincenters.
It's highly rewarding when wehave high carbohydrate foods,
and so it becomes this likeautomatic reward behavior to
reach for the food and thenreceive that reward and then
need it again.
And because carbohydrates areso quick burning, the body needs

(34:35):
it again, and again and againmore frequently and you become
reliant on it.
And that sucks, becausesometimes you're not going to be
able to get something to eatand sometimes you're not going
to want to stop and getsomething that's sweet or you're
trying to lose weight, but youhave all these intense cravings
and dependence on carbohydrates.
So the way that I teachintermittent fasting, the reset

(34:55):
method, helps you graduallytrain your body away from carb
dependence and into metabolicflexibility, because you could
do it the hard way and go 18hour fast because that's the
internet told you to do or starta keto diet and right now never
exceed 20 grams of carbs perday and you're gonna be
miserable for a short period oftime, yes, but you know, for

(35:19):
like a good week you could haveterrible headaches and hate
everything and everyone and bestarving and exhausted, but
that's not how it should be.
Like right, you can train yourbody for this, and that's
headaches and hate everythingand everyone and be starving and
exhausted.
But that's not how it should be.
Like you can train your bodyfor this, and that's exactly
what we're doing.
So once you train your body tostart depending less on
carbohydrates, gradually overtime it starts to look for

(35:39):
energy in your fat cells and westore fat to an endless capacity
.
We can't store carbohydrates toan endless capacity, so the
body converts excess carbs tofat.
So, no matter who you are, evenif you're thin, if you've been
a sugar burner your whole life,you have fat in your liver.
You have fat in all sorts ofplaces that can be converted

(36:00):
into ketones for energy, andthat is the really initial step
into becoming metabolicallyflexible and finding food
freedom.
I mean, how great is it to likenot have to eat if you're at
the airport or you forgot to getsomething, or if there's
nothing there that's going to behealthy for you and you don't

(36:20):
have any good options?
Like, how cool is it that youdon't have to eat or that you
can stop eating when you're fulland don't feel like you know
food is on your mind 24 seven.

Speaker 2 (36:30):
That was freeing for me I know it is, and you talked
about that.
I remember reading about thatin your book this concept that
you're no longer constantlythinking about your next meal
and what you're going to eat.
And I used to be one of thosepeople who was like I have to
eat every two hours.
If I don't eat every two hours,I get a headache and I'm cranky
and I don't have any energy.
And it was so interesting to meto see an evolution after I

(36:55):
started doing intermittentfasting and started changing my
diet.
And you talk in the book aboutoatmeal and how so many of us
had oatmeal and I was like, oh,my hands raised, like I used to
have oatmeal for breakfast everyday, you know with fruit and
you know vanilla, almond milk,maybe fruit juice Right.
I didn't really eat, I didn'treally right Orange juice.
I used to have orange juice forbreakfast every day, like
that's what we were raised tohave.

(37:16):
Was you know, orange juice in abowl of cereal?
I mean it couldn't be lessnutrient dense.
I mean it doesn't have anynutrients in it at all, and
that's what we were raised toeat as kids.
And so I found it so interestingover time, like you're right,
and it was interesting when youstarted to talk about oatmeal
and I was like I used to do thatuntil I changed how I ate or

(37:38):
how I thought about the foodsthat I was eating, because, even
though they are consideredhealthy, looking at them through
the lens of what's theircarbohydrate content and you
talk a lot you have a couple ofchapters in there about
understanding how to understandyour carbohydrate consumption,
because you also talk about like.
There's this concept of like,okay, carbs are bad, okay, but

(38:01):
yeah, you shouldn't have a bowlof pasta with every meal, that's
true, but you do need somecarbohydrates in certain formats
.
So I think it's an interestingmindset around identifying good
carbohydrates.

Speaker 1 (38:14):
Yeah, and it's not like saying you can't have them.
I think that's like I don'tknow.
You probably saw, but in thebook it said something like it
really pains me to say that thisis a diet book or that it's in
the diet books category and Inever wanted to be a weight loss
coach.
Like, honestly, this all justhappened because that is what
society is going through and Iam completely compassionate

(38:35):
about that and want to helppeople.
It's just I'm so passionateabout health.
I wish other people werepassionate about health and like
one of the first things I sayin the book is you might come
here hoping to lose weight andthen get healthier, but that's
not the way this is going towork.
You're going to start livinghealthier and making healthier
choices and because you gethealthier, you're going to lose
weight, and that's what I teach.
So when it comes tocarbohydrate reduction, we're

(39:00):
not just addressing it so thatyou can lose weight.
We are addressing it in thisholistic framework that is
helping you understand what youare doing to yourself and it's
not your fault.
It's just a wake-up call, like,hey, we've all been led down
this path.
Here you are at a fork in theroad.
You can decide.

(39:21):
Do you want to start takingcare of your body the way it was
designed, or do you want tojust keep being like the blind
passenger in the car that youknow the car monster is driving?
Really, nobody likes thatfeeling of being out of control
around food or feeling like allof your efforts to get in better

(39:41):
shape or better health arefruitless, and so this is a
holistic framework for thatreason.
That's why there's a wholesection on sleep.
There's a lot on hormones, alot on stress, and it really
comes down to crafting it foryou, and that might change.
So the reset method is not justfor people who are just starting

(40:02):
.
It's for people who wanna returnto a healthier lifestyle after
they've fallen off the wagon ordeviated long enough.
For people who are just starting, it's for people who want to
return to a healthier lifestyleafter they've fallen off the
wagon or deviated long enough.
Because maybe you used to fast18 hours a day and you felt
amazing and everything was goinggreat, but then you got married
and this happened, and thishappened and it has been eight
months since you had beenfasting and you're like, oh man,

(40:25):
I already gained 15 pounds.
I'm not fitting in my favoritepants anymore, so I want to
start fasting again.
So your mind tells you well, 18hours a day is what worked for
me before, so that's what Ishould do now.
And now you try to go right to18 hours and you find yourself
constantly obsessing aboutbreaking the fast binging when
the window opens, or beingexhausted or tired or

(40:48):
discouraged and not wanting todo it anymore.
Thinking fasting doesn't workfor me, but it's because you
need to retrain your body andretrain your metabolism to
become a fat burner and becomemetabolically flexible.

Speaker 2 (41:01):
Yeah, it's a process, it's ongoing.
We are evolving humans.
Yeah, it's a process, it'songoing, we are evolving humans.
So let me ask you a questionabout fasting in terms of what
meal to miss.
So you know, like is it?
And you talk a bunch about thisin the book, this, there's this
whole social perception ofeveryone needs breakfast, you

(41:21):
must have breakfast.
Breakfast should never be themeal that you miss, right?
And so is it breakfast that,ideally, you should miss.
Is it dinner that you shouldmiss?
How do you determine foryourself, recognizing that
everyone is different, what isthe right meal to potentially
miss in your 12 hours?

Speaker 1 (41:40):
Well, the right meal to miss is the one that works
best for your lifestyle and yourcircumstances.
First of all, from a healthperspective, we have tons of
research that proves it's betterto stop eating before the sun
goes down, or at least by thetime the sun goes down, because,
metabolically speaking, we justdon't handle food, especially

(42:02):
carbohydrates, very well afterthe sun goes down.
This is all related to ourinternal clock called the
circadian rhythm.
The circadian rhythm, whetheryou like it or not, is
controlling a lot of things yourenergy, your hormones, your
alertness, your ability to fallasleep and wake up in the
morning, and your hunger andyour appetite and so many other

(42:23):
things.
And so we can say definitivelythat, for every human in general
, it's better to stop eating atnight.
But that doesn't matter.
If that's too hard for you andit doesn't work for your
lifestyle, it doesn't matter,it's irrelevant.

Speaker 2 (42:42):
It's what's right for you.

Speaker 1 (42:43):
You need to figure out how intermittent fasting
fits in your life, and 90% ofpeople want to fast in the
morning, and that is because ourhunger hormones are the lowest
in the morning, so we naturallyare not hungry when we first
wake up.
We also have coffee or tea mostof us in the morning, which
again is another appetitesuppressant, or at least

(43:03):
something to look forward tobesides food.
And we also have things wegotta do.
We gotta get out the door.
There's too much commotion,there's a lot to manage in the
morning, and so getting rid ofone more thing to manage, like
making a meal, is a reallypleasant idea to some people and
it just comes easier.
But if you are lucky enough towhere your lifestyle makes it

(43:24):
easier to skip dinner, by allmeans do that, because you may
get better results by doing it.

Speaker 2 (43:30):
Interesting, all right.
So you mentioned coffee and tea.
Let's talk about what can youhave or what is acceptable.
I'm going to put this in airquotes, right?
What is acceptable to consumeother than water and still have
it count as a fast?

Speaker 1 (43:47):
You're asking me, so I'm going to tell you what I
think.
Yeah right, Exactly yeah.
Yeah, yeah Right In yourexperience, and how you help
people what you know.

Speaker 2 (43:54):
That's why I put it in air quotes as like acceptable
.

Speaker 1 (43:56):
Yeah right, Exactly Because there are no, like rules
, are rules right?

Speaker 2 (43:58):
Whatever, everybody has a different rule.

Speaker 1 (43:59):
Yeah, it's not like I want to go toe to toe with some
other fasting expert about whatbreaks a fast.

Speaker 2 (44:04):
Based on your experience, what do you think?

Speaker 1 (44:07):
Yeah, this is about what I have seen work on,
hundreds personally andthousands passively that you
have to make it something thatis rewarding to you.
So, however we can make yourcoffee taste amazing and
rewarding to you is what we'regoing to do.
Right, and the only thing we'renot going to do is add creamers

(44:30):
or sweeteners that areunnecessary and containing carbs
and protein.
So it's generally agreed uponacross the board that anything
contained carbs or protein,especially net carbs, meaning
it's not fiber or sugar,alcohols, anything that contains
carbohydrates or proteins inthe serving size that you

(44:53):
consume, is going to technicallybreak a fast.
Now it depends on so many otherfactors, like how far into your
fast you are, what you ate thenight before, how low carb of a
diet you're on, just yourmetabolic state, because we can
still actually eat a little bitof protein or carbs, which we

(45:13):
have plenty of research on fromthe fasting mimicking diet that
we won't disrupt fastingpathways in the body, we won't
turn off those fastingmechanisms because the nutrient
sensors in your body are goingto say that's not enough to meet
the needs and so we're going tokeep fasting.
Because I still need ketones, Istill need to make resources

(45:36):
from the other cells and I'm notgoing to depend on this measly
one gram of protein or measlyone gram of carbs that this
person just gave me.
And so, when it comes to, youknow, making this your own, I
give you plenty of ideas in thebook, depending how deep you
want to dive into it, likethere's four.
What breaks a fast list Neverbreaks.

(45:57):
A fast list Probably breaks.

Speaker 2 (45:59):
A fast list you never breaks a fast list probably
breaks a fast, likely breaks afast list, you know.

Speaker 1 (46:01):
And then there's also the Varying degrees, yeah, and
there's also nuance within eachlist, like well, it depends what
are your goals or what are yourchallenges right now, because
we might want to.
For instance, all of mybeginners used to start with
bulletproof coffee during eventheir 12-hour fasting window.
Bulletproof Coffee during eventheir 12-hour fasting window.

(46:23):
Bulletproof Coffee is a fattycoffee that has no carbs or
protein in it, but it'slow-toxin coffee blended in a
blender with unsalted butter andMCT oil.
There's lots of variations ofthat, but it helps actually
accelerate fat burning.
It helps make the fastingwindow really satisfying, gives
you something to look forward toand it's encouraging, so that

(46:43):
you're encouraged to go 13 hoursand eventually go 14 hours and
you find fasting quite easy andenjoyable.
And I've had plenty of peoplelose lots of pounds because they
do bulletproof fasting.
So that's why all of thisnonsense in the fasting
community about how strict wehave to be is frustrating to me,
because it's like what are wereally trying to prove?
Aren't we trying to prove thatwe can help our clients get to

(47:06):
their desired outcome, no matterhow we get there?
If we can help them get thereand they feel healthier and are
healthier, isn't that our goal?
And so we were able to achievethat with many variations of
coffee, you just want to becareful which sweeteners you use
and which creamers you use.
So if you're not blending yourcoffee and doing it the

(47:27):
bulletproof style, then the onlyapproved plant-based creamer
that I recommend and know of isNut Pods.
So Nut Podser you can get inthe United States on Amazon.
You can get it at Whole Foods,market and lots of other places.
Do not get the oat milk variety.
I don't recommend anyone drinkoat milk unless you just want it

(47:50):
.
You know, once a week at brunchwith your girlfriends, you love
oat milk.
Fine, but do not think that itis a health food and do not
think that you can fast with oatmilk, because you cannot.
There's a lot of starch inthere and a lot of toxins.
But nut pods original creamersin any flavor.
They're unsweetened and theyhave a nice richness to them,
without carbs or protein.

(48:12):
So even if you're using like aquarter cup in your coffee in
the morning, it's not going tobreak a fast, and I've coached
hundreds of people through thismethod with nut pods as well.
So that's one way to get thisflavored coffee.
You want hazelnut?
You want caramel?
Nut pods has all these flavors.
It's pretty awesome.
And the second way is withstevia drops.
So liquid stevia doesn't haveany of the junk fillers that a

(48:34):
lot of powdered stevias now have.
They're sneaking in dextroseand maltodextrin and other
things that would technicallybreak a fast because they will
trigger insulin in your body.
We're trying to go through afasted state by avoiding any
insulin, and so your body seesthat as a sign that it needs to
make more ketones and keep youin a fasted state.

(48:54):
So stevia drops, or Pure Via,is one of the brands that
actually added dextrose, sowatch out for that.
Stevia in the Raw is one of thebrands that added dextrose.
So you got to read theingredient list on those Stevia
packets.
Unfortunately, that's whatStarbucks has and that's what a
lot of the big coffee companiesare using for Stevia.

(49:15):
But Truvia is an acceptable one.
That's another big brand thatyou can get.
But yeah, just look at theingredient list and make sure
there is nothing that's going tobreak your fast.
Sugar alcohols are fine, right.

Speaker 2 (49:27):
Well, and I think, just speaking from my own
experience, I think what peoplefind when they start to get into
this, when you start to reducethe amount of sugar that your
body is consuming, you learn tolike things that are less sweet
and you learn your taste buds doadapt, especially when you

(49:47):
start to feel better and youfeel healthier and you don't
feel the spikes and the ups andthe downs.
Then your body starts to cravestuff a little bit more.
I started drinking matcha teajust made with water, a year ago
and in the beginning I was likethis is so gross, this is like
grass, this is so disgusting.
I cannot believe I'm doing this, but I did it because I made it

(50:11):
part of a morning ritual, partof my journaling.
I did it because mynutritionist was like let me
tell you how good this is foryour body.
So my brain was like this isgood for you, this is good for
you, this is good for you.
It tastes like grass, but thisis good.
Keep doing it.
Keep doing it.
Try different brands, you know,make sure you're getting really
good.
And over time it has gotten tothe point where if I go out and
I get it with a milk like analmond milk or something in it.

(50:33):
I actually don't like itbecause I have adapted to liking
it the way it is.
And does it still taste likegrass?
Yeah, a little bit it does.
But if I don't have it in themorning, I now crave that
because it's also part of mymorning routine, it's part of my
journaling, it's part of theroutine.
I know it's really good for me.
I know it's a really good wayto start my body and it allows

(50:53):
me to continue the fast also,while not just drinking water
with electrolytes or with lemon,it gives me something else, and
part of that is the routinesthat we all have.
I'm like I want to hold the mugRight.
I want that whole experience,and so it's trying to find new
ways to achieve that.

(51:13):
But over time I will just sayfrom personal experience, you
can wean your body off of thosethings, especially if you do it
in your way, in a slow way andin a healthy way, where it isn't
like this is so terrible.
I'm so freaking hungry.
Why suffer?
We don't need to suffer.
It's a concept that we have tosuffer, exactly.
Okay, I've taken up so much ofyour time, so I have two more

(51:36):
questions, even though I couldtalk to you for hours.
Okay, two more questions.
One I am sure the listenerswant to know what is a day in
your life like.
What do you eat, what do you do, what are your routines in your
life?

Speaker 1 (51:49):
Well, I don't have a routine.
Okay, it's not that I neverhave, Of course, when I was
writing the book I had a routineand stuff but I don't have a
routine fasting time.
I have found, like most peoplehave an office job or like if
you have kids, you only havelike a certain window of time
that you can eat every day, andit's pretty routine, and so

(52:11):
you're.
You obviously want your fastingto work around that, but it
hasn't been like that.
My life is not like that andthat's how I.
One of the ways that I came upwith this flexible intermittent
fasting strategy is because,really, the more you make your
body guess, the more you'regoing to get beneficial
adaptations, as long as it's nottoo stressed already.
So you sometimes need moreroutine when you're first

(52:34):
starting out and you sometimesneed more routine when you're
older or you have other hormonalor metabolic dysfunction going
on.
Then you will benefit from moreroutine.
Any digestive impairments whichwe all get as we age.
We need more routine.
But for me it's literally likeyou know I'm not eating in the
morning.
I already know that that's agiven and I'm going to have nut

(52:57):
pods in my coffee most of thetime and I'm going to eat when I
have a break and it sounds likea good idea, or when I have too
much food in my fridge and Ineed to get rid of some of it.
Or I love to cook and sometimesI cook too much and I've got
all these leftovers and I'm goodat freezing stuff and whatever.

(53:18):
But if my husband's likeworking every day and he's not
going through the food in thefridge, I'll be like, okay, I
need to eat at least twice today.
So, cause, we got to getthrough this food that's in the
fridge.
You know when you're inmaintenance mode.
That's what it's going to looklike Like.
It's so freeing because I canliterally I can be on and eat
once a day.
I can be home and eat two,three times a day.

(53:39):
I can eat every three hours, itdoesn't matter Like I'm going
to snap right back into what ishealthy.
And so, essentially, to answeryour question, I don't have a
routine, but I mostly eat foodsthat I make for myself homemade
foods.
It's cold weather now so I'meating a lot of soups and stews
and hot foods.
I do love salads in the summer.

(54:00):
I always have animal protein atevery meal.
I'm a huge, huge advocate asanimal protein as part of a
nutritious diet.
There's sections in the bookdevoted to that, because we just
cannot meet our nutrientrequirements nearly as
efficiently with plant proteinsor as safely as we can with
animal proteins.

(54:20):
So I understand the animalpractices and farming methods
are a disgrace in this country,but there are regenerative farms
and really admirable old schoolmethods for raising healthy
animals.
That yields healthy meat andseafood for us and to achieve
your goals, especially weightloss and health-related goals,

(54:43):
you will want to stronglyconsider incorporating those.
So it's always in mind andvariety is hugely important to
me, so I always have lots ofvariety in my diet.
That is of utmost importance,which you can also learn about
in the book.

Speaker 2 (54:57):
That's true, keeps it interesting.

Speaker 1 (54:58):
Well, not just so it keeps it interesting.
I mean, it's like so essential,like people will be like I
don't know why I stopped losingweight, I don't know why I
plateaued, and it's becausethey're eating chicken and rice
and your chicken and quinoa andbroccoli.
Chicken and quinoa and broccolithe same things all the time.
You absolutely need variety,because your microbiome depends
on that, and the diversity inyour microbiome is what enhances

(55:20):
a healthy metabolism, healthybrain function, healthy immunity
, and without it, you willdefinitely see plateaus and
symptoms develop over time.

Speaker 2 (55:29):
Sure Well, and also eat the seasons.
I've talked to a lot ofspecialists to talk about eat
the seasons.
And we're lucky, we live inplaces that we have seasons and
so embrace those seasons.
Like you mentioned, it's winter, embrace that, it's soup season
, embrace that it's the winterseason and embrace the fruits
and vegetables that are part ofthat season and then when you

(55:50):
move into the next season, thenyou're moving on to that
season's produce and thatseason's recipes, which helps
keep the variety.
A season's only three months,folks.
It's not that long beforeyou're moving on to something
else.
At least here in Connecticut thetomatoes are gross right now.
It's like there's so manythings that I eat all summer
long, but right now it's so hardto get them and have them be

(56:13):
good, so we move on to differentthings.
Okay, so before we go, lastquestion for you.
I always ask my guests torecommend a book that has
influenced them personally andprofessionally, other than their
own, because obviously yourbook will be in all the show
notes and everything.
So what book would you like torecommend to our audience that
they should read?

Speaker 1 (56:30):
Well, it's hard for me to choose one, but I
understand that I have that sameproblem.
I think one that had some ofthe biggest impact on me is
Beyond Mars and Venus by JohnGray, so it's the second book of
his famous.
You know, men are from Mars,women are from Venus.

Speaker 2 (56:51):
But the second one.

Speaker 1 (56:53):
Beyond Mars and Venus is about the way that we
actually are today, like it'snot that old, conventional,
stale.
You know hetero relationshipand male and female roles in the
household.
This is progressive and it'ssaying okay, if we're changing
roles and our lifestyle ischanging because we're
modernized humans, how does thataffect our relationships, our

(57:16):
hormones and our health?
And it was so essential for meto learn what was in that book
because I struggled with prettyterrible PMS my whole life and
even though I still havechallenges, it is not every
month like it used to be.
And one of the hugest wake-upcalls is really like part of the

(57:40):
inspiration of my book titleNot so Fast.
It's like that week leading upto when you expect to bleed,
when a woman's approaching herperiod.
That seven to 10 days is whenyou are either going to inhibit
the storm of PMS from brewing oryou are going to promote the

(58:01):
storm of BMS PMS.
And so I learned that byoverscheduling myself, by re
overcommitting um, by planningtoo many things for me to do or
for me to, for others to expectof me, was making my PMS worse.
And that book beyond Mars andhelps you understand why and
it's also something I break downin my book about the interplay

(58:24):
between hormones and women andhormones in men, with fasting.
So just by literally on mycalendar every single month.
My digital calendar will sayluteal phase with the little
blood drop emoji Like hey girl,your period's approaching, no
plans and I say no plans,because I will always make some

(58:45):
plans.
Like it's almost impossible forseven days a month not to make
plans.
But I just know when I look atthat, like can we pick another
date?
Like when someone's asking me,or if I'm making plans to clean,
do some big project around thehouse, I'm like it's not going
to be that week, not that week,no, and that helps so much.
I have far less PMS symptomswhen I do that.

Speaker 2 (59:05):
That's fascinating, yeah, yeah, and we could spend
another 20 minutes talking aboutit.
We could spend another 20minutes talking about all of
that.

Speaker 1 (59:14):
But that's really the main reason Like your
relationships and your health,like that book is such an
eye-opener, so I highlyrecommend it.

Speaker 2 (59:21):
Oh, that's a great one, thank you.
No one's recommended that one,so thank you, marisa.
It has been so much fun to talkto you.
I look so forward to thisepisode coming out and getting
to talk about your book onInstagram.
I will promote it.
I will have all the links below.
Thank everyone.
Please buy her book, buy it onamazon, write a review, rate it.
That is how we all stay inbusiness and reach out to her.

(59:43):
If you want some coaching, help, um, and I will put all of that
in the show notes it'll be onaudible soon too.

Speaker 1 (59:49):
So it's not on audible yet, but I'm recording.
Yeah, I'm in like a third ofthe way through the recordings
and it should be completely doneby the end of February 2025.

Speaker 2 (01:00:04):
So hopefully you'll see it by this spring on Audible
.
I love it.
Good for you, and good for youfor recording it yourself.
That's something to be proud of, in addition to writing the
book.
Thank you, yeah, it's kind of alot.
It is fun.
Oh, it is great to hear yourown voice too, and to hear how
you would think about yoursubject.
I think it's great.
I love listening to books wherepeople are there, read the
books themselves.
So, thank you, marisa.
Have a wonderful day.
Thank you so much for theeducation I learned so much.

(01:00:26):
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Thank you for joining us foranother episode of the House of
Germar podcast, where wellnessstarts within.
We appreciate you being a partof our community and hope you
felt inspired and motivated byour guest.
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