September 2, 2025 • 53 mins
Howling at the Moon episode #9
Two healers. Two parallel journeys. One shared mission.
In this inspiring conversation, Heatherleigh Strom welcomes Vivien Chapra, award-winning teacher, author, and founder of CrystalHealingTechnique.com , to explore the art and science of crystal healing, the courage to follow your soul’s guidance, and the planetary mission of spiritual healers.
From life-changing visions and international moves, to co-creating a textbook on crystal surgery, Vivien shares how crystals like white apophyllite and crazy lace agate can profoundly shift our energy. Together, she and Heatherleigh discuss the parallels between their awakening journeys, the discipline of staying in your lane, and the collaborative power of crystals and spirit guides in healing work.
🌀 You’ll learn:
• The healing frequencies of white apophyllite & crazy lace agate
• How to discern and trust intuitive guidance
• Why spirit guides sometimes “make you work” for answers
• How to bring spiritual healing into the mainstream with professionalism and integrity
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More about Vivien Chapra:
Recorded Live June 2024
We're diving into a colorful conversation today with the brilliant Vivien Chapra, a crystal expert who's all about helping us follow our genuine paths! Vivien shares her journey of spiritual awakening and how she harnesses the power of crystals to elevate our energy and well-being. We chat about the magic of white apophyllite, a high-frequency crystal that can raise our vibrations and bring a sense of balance when life feels a bit off-kilter. Plus, we explore how listening to our inner guidance can lead to amazing transformations and a deeper connection with our true selves. So grab your favorite crystal, get comfy, and let’s embark on this enlightening adventure together!
Join Heather Leigh Strom and crystal expert Vivien Chapra as they embark on a fascinating exploration of spiritual awakening and the power of crystals in our lives. Vivien, who has a rich background in energy healing and education, shares her incredible story of transformation and the creation of her schools focused on healing arts. Throughout this lively episode, Heather Leigh and Vivien discuss how to navigate the often tumultuous waters of self-discovery while using crystals to enhance one's journey. They emphasize the importance of community, the courage to take risks, and the joy
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Welcome, beautiful souls.
I have an incredible interviewto share with you today.
I'm joining forces with agreat friend and an incredible crystal
mentor.
And we're going to be sharinga lot today about how to follow your
genuine path, listening toyour core essence, and using the
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power of crystals to assist inyour journey from an incredible crystal
expert.
So stay with me.
I'll be right back.
Welcome to Howling at theMoon, where the mystical meets the
practical and the caninespirit guides lead the way.
I'm your host, Heather lee Strom.
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In 2022, I experienced asudden, life changing spiritual awakening
after a lifetime of strugglingwith who am I and why am I here?
For five decades, the worldfelt cold and confusing.
Now I see the patterns, thepurpose and the bigger magical picture.
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My mission, to help you findyour way through your own awakening
journey.
Here you'll discover limitlesspath possibilities for spiritual
growth, powerful healingfrequencies, and extraordinary energetic
professionals, each designedto guide you into deeper healing
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and remembrance.
Some episodes featureenlightening wisdom from spiritually
evolved guest healers,visionaries and authors.
Others are led by themultidimensional canine spirit guides
themselves, sharing theirunique intergalactic wisdom and frequency.
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If you've been craving deepertruth, multidimensional healing and
a little cosmic magic, you'vejust found your pack.
Listen and watch on Spotify orYouTube and bring the magic back
into your life.
So today I have a very specialguest, Vivian Chopra, who is an award
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winning teacher, an author andenergy healing, energy healer practitioner.
She has founded three schools,the Alexander Technique of Cincinnati,
Four Winds Academy for theHealing Arts and Sciences, and CrystalHealingTechnique.com
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which is for trainingpractitioners of crystal surgery.
Vivian is also the author ofseveral books including Everyday
Magic, which is an account ofher personal story, and the Complete
Guide to Crystal Surgery, ahuge textbook, which is beautiful.
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A step by step textbook forher students in her program.
Currently, Vivian also runsher private practice, writes a column
for the Relatable Voicemagazine, and is a radio show host
for the chakra show onhealthylife.net really excited to
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introduce her to you, Vivian.
Welcome to Howling at the Moonwith the canine Guides.
I'm so excited to share youwith the world on my podcast.
Welcome.
Thank you, thank you, thank you.
Heather Lee.
I'm excited too because, youknow, it feels like an honor.
Out of all the people thatI've interviewed, you just rose to
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the top as being someone extrainteresting, extra exciting and extra
important and significant, youknow, and so it just feels like an
honor for you to interview mealso and to give me this opportunity.
I'm so thrilled.
I really admire your work.
And so I feel good.
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I feel good to be here.
Thank you.
And that.
And that is how we met.
I wanted to kind of share that story.
My publicist put us togetherlast year for an interview on your
show.
And the whole time I wastalking with you, it wasn't video,
it was only audio.
So I couldn't see.
You see people, you know, toconnect visually with people.
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And it was so hard for me tojust connect on the phone.
But the whole time we weretalking, the canine guides are like
shouting in my ear.
You've got to get to know thisperson better.
She's very important to.
With her mission that she's providing.
And it also sort of integrate.
Integrates with my mission aswell, which we'll talk about a little
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bit, too.
But.
There'S a lot of parallelsbetween us.
And that's one of the thingsthat really struck me because I've
also been downloadinginformation from other were from
the crystals and from spiritguides and so on, and so are you.
And we've been selected by theother side, and I think they try
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to get other people to.
But we heard them and weresponded and we were willing to
write and so on.
So it's not as if we're theonly ones selected, but we are the
ones who responded.
And that was what struck mewhen talking to you, Heatherly, is
that you in a very similarposition to me.
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And we both were probablygoing, what?
What now?
You know.
Are you serious?
Because certainly I was in that.
In that position.
Sorry to interrupt, but I. I couldn't.
I can't help.
I'm so enthusiastic about theparallels between us.
It feels good.
It does feel good.
And it's very.
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There are so many of us thathave a similar story.
And that's what's so excitingright now, is that so many people
are answering the call.
And that's a scary place whenyou don't know where you're going.
You're just following step bystep by step by step.
It takes tremendous amount oftrust and faith.
And so those of us.
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And dedication.
Yes.
And.
And a willingness to take a risk.
Yes.
To step outside of who wethought we were, you know, and discover
who we actually are and who wecan be.
So.
And Heather Lee, can I justadd that what's very important to
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me on my show is that we haveregular people, not celebrities who've
got, like, a PR machine behindthem, but regular people such as
ourselves, who've taken therisk and have put in all that extra
hard work to get the messages out.
And there's no machine or hugeteam of people behind us.
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We have what we have, and wehave the other side.
And that's where I'm hopingthat every single person realizes
they've got something specialto offer, too.
They just need to hear andtake some risks.
And that's very important tome because every single person has
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this potential.
In my understanding.
Yes, that's my understandingas well.
And that's kind of where bothof our journeys collide and meet
and mesh is because my work isso similar to yours and.
And waking people up andgetting them connected to that part
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of themselves so they can hearand they can take action and understand
what they're here to fulfill.
Yes.
Yes.
So with no further ado, let'shear a little bit more about your
journey.
What brought you to this pointin your life and what your actual
mission is and your knowledgeof crystals?
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Well, my journey is very interesting.
So interesting that I alsowrote a book, and that's this one,
Everyday Magic.
And it's.
I guess you could call it amemoir, but I think that it's more
a case study.
And it's written in a way thatpeople will be able to relate to
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it as themselves they can, because.
And many people write to meafter reading the book, and they
say, I feel like my story andyour story is so similar.
And I think that is the truth.
We all actually have similarparallel stories, just like you and
me.
We have these similar parallelstories, but so does everybody else.
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The spirit guides are theretrying to contact and connect with
everybody.
And those who hear them, willtheir lives change, as we know.
And when I wrote the book, myintention was just to talk about
my story after I'd written it.
And it did take me six draftsin seven years.
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And after I wrote it, Inoticed something really interesting.
In every single chapter, thespirit guides appeared.
And that wasn't a consciousthing for me until I reread my own
book.
And then I realized, hey, thisisn't a book about me.
This is a book about how thespirit guides interact with us to
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steer our lives.
So that's one of the thingsthat's in this book.
That's one of the themes.
It's also the.
Another theme is about teachers.
And that was.
It was a book by Dan Millman,the Way of the Peaceful Warrior.
And I read that book, and Ithought, wow, I wish I had a teacher
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like that.
I read that book as a child.
Yeah.
Yes.
I was a teenager and Ithought, well, I couldn't have been
a teenager.
I was in my 20s probably, and,or maybe I was in my 30s.
But I, I read the book and Ithought, I wish I had a teacher like
that.
And then I went, no, but thatis a synthesis, that's a synthesis
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of multiple teachers.
And then later I read in theforward that that truly was the case.
And I went, I have had themost extraordinary teachers in my
life.
And this is a book aboutteachers as well.
It's very similar in thatregard to the Way of the Peaceful
warriors because it shows howI got guided into these different
things.
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So there's a little bit aboutthat and that's more sort of about
the book.
But I, I, I just had some,there are some amazing stories that
I can't believe in the bookabout how I got communicated with
and steered.
And it was really a matter oftaking some leaps of faith and just
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following the guidance.
And the guidance came to, tome in various ways.
There was also a book, GodSpeaks to Us through Other People,
you know, and there wasdefinitely that element where I had
to hear what other people weresaying to me and there'd be a theme.
And I'll give an example.
We very much wanted toimmigrate to the United States of
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America.
And, you know, it's not aneasy thing to do.
You know, we weren't going tojust try and run across the border
or something.
And it was not at all easy.
And then a strange thingstarted to happen.
I was an Alexander teacher inCape Town, and there were only a
few of us that had qualifiedas Alexander technique teachers in
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South Africa.
And I kept getting calls from Johannesburg.
And after the third call, Ithought, I wonder what's going on.
I really wonder what's goingon here.
And I better make a list andtake the phone numbers of these people.
Because the first person, Isaid, sorry, you know, there's no
Alexander teachers in Johannesburg.
The second person called thatsame week, I said, sorry, no, there's
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no Alexander teachers in South Africa.
Third person called and Iwent, I think I should be, I think
I better be recording thesenames and phone numbers now.
I'm talking in the 1980s inCape Town, South Africa.
And then sure enough, thefollowing week, I got a whole bunch
more calls.
And I went, there really issomething going on.
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I need to go, I'm being calledto Johannesburg.
I need to go there now.
The logistics were anightmare, but my son aiden was only
18 months old and I'm not oneto Go driving around in strange cities
and so on.
So Neil and I both went up to Johannesburg.
We took Aiden with us.
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Our second son wasn't bornyet, and it was a logistic nightmare.
We had to find somewhere tostay where we could also work.
And at the last minute, thiswhole beautiful home became available
and everything started to fallinto place.
And we sent our car up by railto Johannesburg, as well as some
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of our Alexander techniqueequipment, and we were incredibly
successful.
I where there was a group ofmeditation people, and they all wanted
Alexander lessons becausethey'd heard that this would help
them with a more upright spine.
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And that's what the AlexanderTechnique is, I should say.
It's about retraining posturaland habitual patterns.
And so people wanted formeditation so that their spine can
be correctly aligned for theenergy to move correctly.
And so then that's whatappealed to them.
And so that whole group of 10people was wanting lessons.
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And then there were somestragglers who heard we were coming.
But by the end of the week, wehad a full book.
I was seeing 12 people a day,and Neil was seeing 10 people a day,
and the phone was ringing offthe hook.
This was the days before cellphones and so on, because we're talking
the 1980s, and it was actuallyEaster, and it was full moon, and
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I was staring out the windowand I went into a trance, and the
clouds were drifting acrossthe moon.
You know, it was iconic.
There was the tree branchacross the moon and the clouds.
There wasn't an owl hooting,but it was as if there was an owl
hooting.
And I fell into this tranceand this whole vision came to me.
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I saw the city of Cincinnatiin Ohio rolling out a red carpet
to me and inviting me acrossthe ocean to go to the usa.
Wow.
And Owen.
Oh.
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Because Johannesburg is builton seven hills and Cincinnati is
built on seven hills.
Both are landlocked.
There are similarities, Thereare parallels between those two cities.
And once I was inJohannesburg, I was able to get the
vision of how to get into theUnited States, how to get our green
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cards and get access to theUnited States of America.
And so then it unfolded fromthere, and.
And it was successful.
And it was by answering thecall, because I'm telling you, Heatherly,
everybody said, why are yougoing to Johannesburg?
I mean, I didn't understandthe concept when I was young.
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I mean, at that time, I was young.
I was in my early 30s.
And I just qualified as anAlexander teacher when I turned 28
years old.
And then I became very Popular.
And I didn't realize it, butit's what we call now trending.
I was trending in the country.
Even though I was in CapeTown, in all the magazines like Cosmopolitan
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and everything like newspapers.
Everybody was making thisgrand fuss and all the celebrities
were coming to me and I was just.
But I. I was naive and I wasinnocent and I didn't really understand
what was happening.
But I was so busy.
I was seeing 73 appointmentsper week.
These were half hour appointments.
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It was grueling and it waslike people were saying, but why
are you going to Johannesburg?
Because I didn't need to go toJohannesburg to earn money, but there
was a reason.
And I said, I don't know.
I don't know why I'm going toJohannesburg, but I'm being called
there.
You followed?
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Yeah.
You listened and I will findout when I get there why I'm supposed
to go.
And when I was in Johannesburgon that weekend, I figured out how
to get green cards and getinto the United States of America.
And I'm not.
Where do I live?
In Cincinnati, Ohio, usa, perthe vision.
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We followed the vision and itall worked out.
It was amazing.
And how long have you beenthere now?
33 years.
Wow.
Quite a nice number, isn't it?
So, yes.
Yeah.
So I started.
My very first desire was to bea teacher and then also naturally
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a writer.
That's sort of my natural giftis writing.
It's like my natural talent,which is really interesting to have
a natural talent because it'sso different from the ones where
you plod through to learn theskills and so on.
So I rather like that.
Writing is a natural talentfor me and I'm grateful for it.
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And then I wanted to be ateacher, but I realized I didn't
want to be a teacher in institutions.
I couldn't bear the thought oflistening to the school bell ringing
for the rest of my life andthis whole syllabus thing, being
told what to do and stuff like that.
So you know, I thought, well, what?
Whatever.
And then When I was 11 yearsold, my teacher said to me, there's
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an article on clinicalpsychology in that magazine.
It was a career magazine for.
For children.
You might want to take a lookat it.
And I just looked at her and Iwent, that's what I'm going to become,
a clinical psychologist.
And she just looked at me.
And it was because I had thisthing inside me which I do talk about
in everyday Magic, where abell would ring when I heard a truth,
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like a little bell ringing.
Inside.
And you know, I didn't realizeit, but of course that's intuition.
And I was naturally intuitiveand also a very logical person.
So, you know, things gethidden from you when you're kind
of on the cusp of logicalintuition and those kind of faculties,
then you don't really realizeand you don't really understand what's
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going on with other people.
But I'm right there in the middle.
You know, if you do Myers,Briggs or one of those personality
tests, I'm always coming upright in the middle of all those
different functions.
So anyway, I've decided at theage of 11 to become a clinical psychologist.
But I got blocked and I gotblocked because there was a professor
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who was not a good person andI kind of reported him, I kind of
told on him and that was a badpolitical move.
And so I got continuing withclinical psychology.
Now he later got booted outbecause other people got on to the
fact that he was actually, youknow, not a good egg.
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But, but it was, but, but Iwas actually just being steered another
direction.
And that was the Alexander technique.
And when I was working as anAlexander teacher and seeing all
those people, I had this oneexperience where this Greek guy,
he was a martial artist karateinstructor, he came and right after
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him came this beautiful youngwoman who was a cellist and she was
literally dressed in whitelike an angel.
So here this big Greek martialartist guy is leaving my appointment
room and in comes this amazingyoung woman who's a cellist and like
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an angel and a fairy and, youknow, all that kind of stuff.
Even dressed down, down tobeing dressed in white.
And the energy shift, the yinyang energy shift was so strong.
And I wasn't into this, youknow, new age woo woo stuff.
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It was what happened.
It was an experience for me.
And this energy yin yangenergy shift from the extreme yang
to the extremian spun mearound and made me dizzy so that
I landed sort of flopping intothe chair and I was dizzy and I had
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to collect myself.
And I was like, it was such aclear experience.
And so that started tointerest me in the energy field.
And as I kind of discoveredit, I discovered it.
I mean, one and I discoveredthe intuition and I discovered mental
telepathy.
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I mean, I had one client lyingon the table and he said.
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He.
Said I can't really do thisand relax.
Is that taking him through ameditation for the chakra colors?
I knew a little bit aboutenergy work and a new little bit
about the, about the chakrasbecause obviously that was going
to be interesting to me, but Ididn't know a lot.
Yeah.
And I said, well, let's do ameditation through the.
The chakra colors.
I was doing a guidedmeditation, and I told him to think
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of the colors.
And then I said, but not in sostripes, like a color palette.
I said, you know, you got tolet them be swirly.
And he got very upset, and heglared at me and he said, are you
reading my mind?
And I went, oh.
Because I was.
But I didn't realize it.
I was just seeing the picturesof what he was seeing in his mind.
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I was so innocent about it all.
And, you know, anyway, sothat, you know, there's these stories.
I mean, there was one guy, Iwas holding his head, and I couldn't
feel his feet.
And, you know, the whole thingfor an Alexander teacher is that
you can literally feel throughsomebody else's systems and you can
feel their physical being, andyou can feel what's going on with
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them.
And, you know, so it's anexcellent platform for.
For energy healing work.
And that's what I use in myprivate practice now.
I use all three of thesedifferent things that I'm able to
do and more than that.
And so I'm holding his headand I go, why can't I feel your feet
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and your legs below yourknees, huh?
And he says, because when Iwas five years old, they were going
to amputate my legs just belowthe knees.
And my uncle carried me out ofthe hospital on his back.
And they came the story.
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And I'm like, wow, how weirdis that that I could feel that and
know that.
Anyway, it kind of built upover time.
And back in South Africa, Istuck purely with the Alexander technique.
But once I came here to theUnited States, the crystals kidnapped
me.
I'd heard about crystal healing.
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I was in awe and admiration.
I love crystals.
I tell the stories about that.
It's all, you know, it's allhere in the book.
And I was very, extremelyattracted to crystals.
And I had a few.
And they were on an attache,you know, shelf, you know, with glass.
And it was decor in my.
In.
In our school room and.
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Which was also my.
In my studio for giving sessions.
Nice big rooms, you know, Ialways like a nice big room to work
in.
And the crystals called meover, and this.
The woman on the table, shewas actually the mother Superior
of her orders.
None.
And she was actually themother Superior.
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And a crystal calls me overand says, I want to work on her.
Oh, I don't know.
What's going on?
I didn't know what was going on.
I thought, what.
So anyway, I'd get.
Pick up the crystal.
And it was a crystal we'dbought in a junk store in a town
called Kna.
It's a resort town on theGarden Route in the.
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In the Cape.
In the Cape Province.
It was the Cape Province.
And I don't know what.
It's all.
I think it's still the CapeProvince in South Africa.
They changed some of the names when.
In the 1990s, when the ANCcame in and the apartheid system
ended, you know, so.
And.
But we'd already left.
We left South Africa in 1991,the end of 1991.
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So anyway, this crystal, itkind of dragged me around the table.
You know how a dog can pull you?
Well, you'll know how a dogcan put you on a lead.
Well, there it was.
The crystal was just like acanine spirit guide pulling me on
the lead and.
Wow.
And I just like, went over herbody and I did stuff.
And we were both completely silent.
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Now, this mother's superior, this.
This woman, she's no longerwith us, but she had the most extraordinary,
extraordinary healing capacities.
We would do healing circlesthat she would lead, and you could
feel the etheric energy formpillars, actual pillars in the room,
and she could heal people ofcancer and all kinds of.
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There were a few stories wherepeople arrived for their surgery
and the doctor would say, letme check one more time before I actually
cut you.
And you'd go, I don't knowwhat happened, but it's gone.
Yeah, true stories.
Anyway, she.
She.
And here's.
It's a word of caution.
She was not trained as ahealer, and she was using her own
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energy, which some of theshaman do, do that.
And it uses you up, and it iswhat happened to you.
You know, if you want to dohealing, you.
It's better to have skill setsthat you use than to use yourself
as the.
As the healing convert.
Because it.
It can be.
It can be debilitating, and itcan even be toxic.
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You do have to be carefulabout it.
And it is one of the reasonsthat I started Four Winds Academy
for the Healing Arts and Sciences.
And how that came about wasthat we had the Alexander schoolroom
and we had all the tables andwe had the space and everything.
And then I got a message inthe way that we get messages where
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we don't know if it's an ideaof our own or if it's something that
came in from outside.
And I'm with that.
But boom.
I was told you must use thisspace 247 or if not 24 7, 12, 7.
You've got all this equipment,you need another school.
There's a school for traininghealers because healing needs to
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become a full on professionduring the 21st century.
And in order for it to becomea full on profession there needs
to be schools and properprofessional training.
And that's why I establishedForeign Academy for the Healing Arts
and Sciences.
Did I need more work?
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No.
I had a young family, I wasway into martial arts, doing taekwondo,
I was playing racquetball, Iwas, I had a full on busy private
practice.
I already had an AlexanderTechnik training course.
So it was busy, busy, busy.
And here comes another.
Never convenient.
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We did it.
And that school, that schoolwas shown to me and it was my job
to bring it into the school.
And actually the presentationthat we're going to do on July 13th
is technically a Four WindsAcademy presentation.
And it's because Mitch, she'salso someone who's working to establish
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healing the healingprofessions in a more mainstreamly
acceptable way.
And I think that her work isvery, very, very important for establishing
energy healing as a viableprofession in our society.
And you know, it's.
And, and that's why I, Iwanted her to also speak in that
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free call because I thinkanyone who's committed to energy
healing in which, whichevermodality, but if they committed to
it and want to see it grow andbe more accessible for people and
more respected and to be ableto reach more then we need to become
a little bit more mainstreamand we need to be able to show yes,
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we truly are professionals.
And so that's why I was soexcited when I met Mid.
I was so excited when I metyou, Heather Lee.
And I was so excited to, whenI met Mitch Murphy.
And that's why we're going todo that presentation together because
I think it's going to be, Ithink it's going to be an amazing
thing for us to do as a teamtogether because we committed to
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that professionalism eventhough what we're doing is hardly
regarded as mainstream yet.
But there we are, we have todo it.
We're messengers and we'rementors and we're being guided and
all the things that I do, andI'm not one to wing it, but all the
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things that we do, it's fromguidance, isn't it?
Yeah, yeah it is.
And I, I'm, I'm like you, I'ma very systematic, logical person
and for me to just throw thatall out the window and follow my
gut is really hard.
Absolutely.
And that's what was so hardfor me with the crystal surgery and
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the crystals was.
It was like I was.
It felt like I was making itup as I go along, and it's not my
style.
My style is to go and get aproper training, to have textbooks
and so on.
And so, you know, long storyshort, because, you know, what am
I going to do?
There's just too much to say.
I ended up researching crystalsurgery for 25 years and then turned
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it into this textbook becausethat's one way you can become more
mainstream.
Let me just get this.
That is a beautiful book.
Oh, my goodness.
That book just speaks to me.
There's so much frequencycoming off of that book, Vivian.
It's amazing.
Amazing.
Thank you.
Thank you.
You know, it's 25 years ofresearch and development, and then,
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of course, the writing of thebook and the photography and everything,
it just, you know, it's.
It's.
It's been wonderful.
And you know what?
We've only got four copiesleft from this print run.
Oh, my goodness.
It's basically, we.
It's sold out, and we're aboutto reprint in paperback.
And it's kind of exciting thatpeople are responding this well.
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And I feel like the nameCrystal Surgery is getting out there
and people are.
I know that other CrystalHealing authors and developers are
in respect of this book.
And it feels good.
It feels good.
But I cannot claim it as mywork because in this book, in this
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book, it's 100 years worth ofwork that it represents.
I mean, there's over 100techniques and procedures, and they're
well researched and documented.
And it's designed so that ifyou follow the procedures and the
steps correctly, you'll getthe same results as I do.
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It's not from personal gift orskill or talent.
It's from technical accuracyas well as intention and what is
in your heart.
You can never take that out ofanything we do.
People want to call it placebo.
Intention and what is in your heart.
Yes, it's just as important,but that must be married to technique
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and procedure and accuracy and respect.
Yes.
Respect for what is and why it is.
And that's the only way we canget the changes we want.
You know, so there is a hugeamount in here, and.
But it's a download.
There's no way a human beingcan do that on her own.
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There's just no way.
So between the crystals andthe teamwork from the Crystals.
And the crystals telling mewhat to do.
The spirit guides helping mehave some very, very powerful spirit
guides that come through in.
Yes, you do.
Very, very clear man.
And they used to speak to mein riddles.
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And then I have this amazing intuitive.
She came to me, she wanted todo an exchange with me.
And she, she.
She died.
She's lying on my table.
She says, why do your spiritguides talk to you in riddles?
I said, I don't know, but makethem stop because I can't stand it.
You know, when I wasestablishing Four Winds Academy,
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they.
I needed a name.
And they.
All they would tell me was,the name is under your nose.
Thank you, but you need tohelp me.
And they.
And I said, but what is thename of this academy you want me
to establish?
I said, the name is under your nose.
So one day I'm standing in mykitchen and I'm looking at the mail
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and there's the address.
We live on Four Winds Drive.
And I look up and then.
And the name is under my nose because.
Because I'm looking and I lookacross the road and there's our street
sign, Four Winds Drive.
And I go, four Winds Academy.
And it's been a wonderful name.
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It's been the right name.
And it's like the name wasunder my nose.
But why couldn't they justtell me.
That'S what some people don'tunderstand about spirit guides is
that they're not always correct.
They have a sense of humor andsometimes they're not just going
to hand it to you.
They want you to.
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To meet them halfway andfigure they want you to work.
They want to.
You have to show your commitment.
And yeah, the other thingabout spirit guides, at the least,
they don't understand money.
I've had to give them lectures.
They don't understand time either.
They don't understand time.
They don't understand lecture money.
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So I, I said to them, this alltakes money.
We've got this thing calledmoney here on earth.
Yeah.
And so the next time, the sameintuitive that had asked about the
riddles, but this was aboutfive years later, she said, I just
got a message from the guidesthat I must pay.
I must make a donation.
She did tithing.
I must make my donation to thewinds and the only wins and those
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four winds.
So I had complained to thespirit guides what we need money.
And they ran off to that samein children and said, give the wins
money.
She got the message.
And then her husband at thattime, he used to send this check
every month.
A donation to Four Winds Academy.
And he'd send it with a joke,like a Far side joke or something
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like that.
And then she went off to livein Sedona.
And so then she wasn't inCincinnati anymore.
So there's some, there's some,you know, once you open your, your
mind and your heart to this guidance.
There are such wonderfulinspirational stories, aren't there?
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It's just so extraordinary.
Yeah, yeah.
When you can finally hear and connect.
Yes.
And then you have tounderstand how to interpret.
Sometimes like you just.
Oh, I know, I know.
Because you can go on a wildgoose chase and I've seen that with
other people, but I'm really,really careful.
I've got a three time rule.
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They want me to do something,tell me three times, then I know
it is you show me, give me the signs.
I, I, we, we contract forscience so that I can get a, I can
just be confirmed because Ihave seen people that are in highly
intuitive and are connected tospirit guides.
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Psychology can cut acrossthat, fear can cut across that and
ego can cut across that.
And I have seen them go onwild goose chases.
And I, I don't want to be partof that because I haven't got time
for a while.
I haven't got energy.
That's my story.
I haven't got the time and the energy.
So for me to commit time andenergy to something, I need it confirmed
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and I need to feel that support.
Yeah, I'm not getting the support.
I can't proceed.
Yeah.
So that's always more, youknow, more of a sign, you know, so,
you know, so it's like I said,you know, I can't proceed without
money.
So the money came in.
Yeah.
And, and when you have thattwo way communication, I think it's
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important for people tounderstand that we're not just in
receiving mode, but we alsohave the capacity to ask for what
we need to fulfill what we'rebeing told to do.
Yes.
We're a team.
We're part of a team and, andthen we, we must, there must be a
back and forth, there mustgive, be a give and take.
So yeah, absolutely, yes.
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Science is a big thing and I'man empiricist.
I'm not one for, you know,these very limited scientific experiments
that yield no information.
I mean I studied a softscience psychology and the nonsense
that they would make usresearch like, oh, children need
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love.
You know, it's like, dudes,can we just move to what's actually
groundbreaking and important?
So that's people like us,Heather, lead that are willing to
take the risk.
But we still do our researchand we are still using our logical
faculties and we still have tobe grounded and we still have to
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have an integrated body ofknowledge that actually makes both
internal and external sense.
And this is why I respect yourwork so much, because you're clearly
on that same track.
Yes, I'm going to talk aboutsomething that people are going to
say is woo, woo.
But I am going to make itexternal accessible because I do
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commit to a scientific method and.
And then I was studying a softscience and they make you do research.
And those are all the thingsthat set me up and caused that.
The, the spirit guides to askme to be the download for crystal
surgery.
These are all these different elements.
The fact that I could be awriter, the fact that I was intuitive
and willing to listen to them,the fact that I had studied the scientific
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method and all those differentelements showed why it would be me
that would be have thepleasure of doing this.
But I just want to say thatI've been interviewing a lot of different
people, Heatherly, and youjust inspired me so much and I just
felt like we were on paralleltracks and I wanted my community
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to get to meet you because ofcourse people love dogs and that
dogs are so important.
And I have a lot of peoplethat are animal communicators and
animal healing for animals andso on, and I want them to meet you.
And that's why I wanted tohave you on the call as well, because
I think that your work is verysignificant and also very accessible.
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You know, the moment that wehear, oh, there's such a thing as
canine spirit guides, we go,yeah, I did know that.
And then given us the.
You've given us the next.
I don't know if it's 3 to 10,I don't know how many levels up you've
taken it, but it's.
You're giving us somethingthat we don't.
Didn't have before.
And that is phenomenal.
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Phenomenal.
It definitely is a whole new level.
Yes.
And because of that, theywon't let me do the other stuff.
Like I'm like, why can't Icommunicate with dogs?
I'm doing all this work.
Why.
Why can't I hear what the dogsare saying?
No, no, because they don'twant me to spend time there.
They're like, there's too manypeople doing that.
You need to stay in your lanewhere we put you.
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I know, I know it's the samebecause I wanted to Write a general
book about crystal healing.
And they said, vicki, theyalways tell me, anyone can do that.
Stay with what only you.
The part only you can do.
So you're saying, stay in your lane.
And they're just saying there is.
Because I said, well, why do Ihave to write for an ever smaller
target market?
And they said, because you canand because you're not after fame.
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And this is not about your ego.
This is about service.
And so.
And you're willing to do that,and you have to.
That growing tip is just thesmallest point of a taproot, is the
growing tip.
And it has to push down intothe earth and get there.
And then all the other routes,root hairs have to come off that
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taproot.
And we are the tip of thetaproot, just extending, you know,
we're the radicals.
We are.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Oh, I've always been a radical.
I have never conformed toanything in my life.
But we're radicals in a good way.
We're radical for building,you know, not.
Not, you know, we're nottrying to tear anything down.
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And we just were.
We're thought leaders.
Yeah.
So I was hoping you'd give alittle light to a couple of crystals
that one of the canine spiritguides loves to use in her healing
sessions.
And that is the number onecrystal she loves is apophilite.
And I didn't even.
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I didn't know this crystal existed.
I knew nothing about it untilI got on a call with you and you
could kind of shared with mewhat the capacity of this crystal
is all about.
And then I finally began tounderstand why she was using it so
much.
Would you like to share withus what this crystal is and what
it does?
Sure, sure.
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So Y. Aphelite.
I have a very nice cluster here.
I'll just hold it up.
Well, that's a big piece.
Wow.
Okay.
So.
And it comes in these points.
They call them pyramids.
It's got a flat base, and thepoints are.
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Then this is a cluster ofthose pyramid points.
You can see that one there.
So that's a white apothegate.
Now, I use this a lot.
I use it in almost every session.
And I will explain.
Explain how.
Now, the thing with whiteapophyllite is it's got very high
frequency.
It's the highest frequencytool that I use.
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The Phenakite has a higher.
Has a higher frequency thanwhite apophila, but it's too high
for me.
It gives me an instant headache.
And.
But this is the high frequencyfor sophenakite's going to take you
up into the ether.
So when I'm doing healingwork, I really want people to be
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doing well here on planet Earth.
I'm really wanting to gettheir physical being, their physiological
being, their mental being,their emotional being, as well as
their spirit in an integrationand a coordination.
And this is the highestfrequency I would want to use because
I needed to be able to relateto the.
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The physical andphysiological, not only the spiritual
soul aspects.
And so for me, Phoenix is justtoo high a vibration.
Now, the thing with whiteapophyllitis, that the novice will
mistake it for quartz, quartzis more gray in its appearance, whereas.
So this is a beautiful quartzcrystal in a beautiful formation.
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But it is.
You might be able to seeespecially close to where my baby
finger is there.
It's kind of gray compared tothe white apophyllite.
White apophyllite is silvery.
And it's that silver vibrationthat's very high and speaks to the
spirit and the soul.
And so it's really.
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It's really lovely.
And it really brings.
Raises vibrational frequencies.
So when we're not well or wedepressed or we exhausted, our vibrational
frequency starts to drop.
And then in crystal surgery,we have what we call a white light
infusion.
And so we infuse the whitelight into the person to raise the
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vibrational frequency to bringthem back into feeling well and balanced
and energized.
And that's what I specificallyuse white apophyllite for.
So, and I do it in two ways.
I have a white apophilite bed,so that's another cluster.
And then I take the proxy crystals.
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So I've attuned this to the client.
So this is for remote sessions.
And then I'll literally justhave to adjust this.
See, let me do it this way.
And then I actually lay theproxy crystal on the apophyllite
bed.
So I call this an apophyllite bed.
And I lay the crystal on, andthen I also infuse from the top.
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So I connect in.
So I need three hands here.
And I connect in.
And I also infuse from the topby using both these stones.
And so it's literally puttingthe person in a white apophyllite
sandwich.
And I love white apophyllite.
You'll never see a big whiteapophyllite crystal like this.
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White apophylite crystal isabout that size.
This is.
And they come bigger thanthis, but not a lot bigger.
And they come in theseclusters like.
So this is like a Stalactite.
You can see it's got a core toit and it's just, this is Indian
material, it comes from India,and it's just an amazing, amazing
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stone.
And this other stone here,this is still bite.
And then, you know, it occurstogether, they grow together and
still bites also.
Obviously got wonderfulproperties, but white apophyllite
is just, it's, it's a very,very high vibrational frequency and
it invites you to a highervibrational frequency.
I always like to use the wordinvite or you don't want to manipulate
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people's energy.
You want to invite the energyto start to shift and to change and
you don't want to be forcefulin any way.
And white apophyllite is notforceful, whereas I found the phenakite
is a little bit too forceful,even though it's got a high vibration.
It's also very expensive,whereas this is not such an expensive
stone and it's readily available.
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This is, this is importantwhen you're talking about crystals
and crystal healing is you canrun up incredible expense and so
on.
And so the fact that Anthea,who I see is also a cheetah, one
of my power animals, incidentally.
Oh, yeah.
Not that I usually share aboutmy power animals, but I have a big
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relationship with cats and thecat kingdom.
I myself am a Leo.
Astrologically, cheetahs arereally, really important to me.
And people say, you know, whatare you?
I say, I'm a cheetah.
I, I, I work in quick sprintsand get stuff done, but then after
that I have to rest.
And so, you know, I think ofmy energy as cheetah like and so
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on.
So it's very interesting to me.
And I love white apophila too,and it, and it's one of the important
stones in crystal surgery.
So this is a crystal surgery wand.
What is a crystal surgery wand?
It's a wand that has certainstones in combination.
So white apophylite andmetamorphosis quartz.
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And I believe that these aresurgical tools of the future.
They already do do lasersurgery, which is a combination of
ruby and copper tubing andcareful design.
So that's from the 1960s.
And they put crystals inphysical therapy tools.
Of course, the pacemaker hasgot quartz in it to maintain the
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beat and so on.
So I think that these are alsoprecursors to surgical tools of the
future.
And I'm using them in crystalsurgery and white apophyllites.
Very, very, very important incrystal surgery.
I had no idea how that happens.
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Just beautiful.
Roads lead to Rome.
You know, we're.
We're.
You know, Heather Lee, we'redealing with the truth.
Truth.
I'm looking at truths.
You're looking at truth.
That's why I like you so much.
You know, just to say itperfectly, frankly, is I'm not listening
to you and going channeled stuff.
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I'm looking at you like, oh,I'm in the presence of truth.
It makes a big, big, bigdifference to me because, you know,
we're not doing this just for fun.
We're doing it because it'sthe truth.
It's the truth, and it's whathumanity requires to move us forward.
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That's what's so beautiful.
You know that's right.
It's a planetary mission.
Although Anthea usesapophyllite just like a plant medicine.
It's incredible.
It is.
It is.
And the way that I usecrystals and crystal surgery, it's
got a homeopathic aspect to itas well.
And, you know, we did alsomention previously crazy lace agate.
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Oh, yes, I did want to show.
I have a personal piece ofcrazy lace agate.
And you can see it's got.
It's.
It's amazing.
The color of this one is unusual.
It's sort of green, kind of agreeny khaki color, but.
And then usually there's apink and red lines in crazy lace
agate.
This doesn't have it, but thisis a personal piece, and it is really
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for helping the mind tocoordinate because it just shows
that kind of network that hasto be going on in the nervous system
in order to yield informationand be able to access.
This is a personal meditationpiece for me that's very calming
and very soothing, but it'salso invigorating and activating
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for the nervous system.
So, you know, I did want toshare since I brought it along, and
it didn't want to be left out.
Oh, okay.
That's the thing.
They also sentient beings, andthe crystals like to show off.
So, yeah, who am I to arguewith the crystal?
So.
And Anthea has recently started.
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I picked up a crazy lace agateat a show recently, and I didn't
know why.
It just drew me to it.
Beautiful piece.
I should have brought it toshow, but right away in that next
session I did with Anthea, shebrought in the crazy lace agate in
that session, and she uses itdifferently than she does the apophyllite.
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So I found that very fascinating.
And I keep asking, do I needto learn crystal surgery?
Do I need to know what allthese crystals are and how to use
them.
They say, no, no, no.
Let them do it.
Let them do it.
And.
And the crystals.
And you can have it foryourself and see what comes out of
it.
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But you don't have to.
As soon as you said I waslike, don't again, do stay in your
lane.
Yeah, yeah.
For yourself.
Yes.
You can explore them.
Yeah.
Well, thank you so much, Vivian.
Love you dearly, my friend.
Thank you.
Love you, too.
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Love you all.
Thanks so much for watching,like, share and follow and let's
take this journey together.
Bye.
Welcome, beautiful souls.
I have an incredible interviewto share with you today.
I'm joining forces with agreat friend and an incredible crystal
mentor.
And we're going to be sharinga lot today about how to follow your
genuine path, listening toyour core essence, and using the
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power of crystals to assist inyour journey from an incredible crystal
expert.
So stay with me.
I'll be right back.
Welcome to Howling at theMoon, where the mystical meets the
practical and the caninespirit guides lead the way.
I'm your host, Heather lee Strom.
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In 2022, I experienced asudden, life changing spiritual awakening
after a lifetime of strugglingwith who am I and why am I here?
For five decades, the worldfelt cold and confusing.
Now I see the patterns, thepurpose and the bigger magical picture.
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My mission, to help you findyour way through your own awakening
journey.
Here you'll discover limitlesspath possibilities for spiritual
growth, powerful healingfrequencies, and extraordinary energetic
professionals, each designedto guide you into deeper healing
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and remembrance.
Some episodes featureenlightening wisdom from spiritually
evolved guest healers,visionaries and authors.
Others are led by themultidimensional canine spirit guides
themselves, sharing theirunique intergalactic wisdom and frequency.
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If you've been craving deepertruth, multidimensional healing and
a little cosmic magic, you'vejust found your pack.
Listen and watch on Spotify orYouTube and bring the magic back
into your life.
So today I have a very specialguest, Vivian Chopra, who is an award
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winning teacher, an author andenergy healing, energy healer practitioner.
She has founded three schools,the Alexander Technique of Cincinnati,
Four Winds Academy for theHealing Arts and Sciences, and CrystalHealingTechnique.com
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which is for trainingpractitioners of crystal surgery.
Vivian is also the author ofseveral books including Everyday
Magic, which is an account ofher personal story, and the Complete
Guide to Crystal Surgery, ahuge textbook, which is beautiful.
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A step by step textbook forher students in her program.
Currently, Vivian also runsher private practice, writes a column
for the Relatable Voicemagazine, and is a radio show host
for the chakra show onhealthylife.net really excited to
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introduce her to you, Vivian.
Welcome to Howling at the Moonwith the canine Guides.
I'm so excited to share youwith the world on my podcast.
Welcome.
Thank you, thank you, thank you.
Heather Lee.
I'm excited too because, youknow, it feels like an honor.
Out of all the people thatI've interviewed, you just rose to
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the top as being someone extrainteresting, extra exciting and extra
important and significant, youknow, and so it just feels like an
honor for you to interview mealso and to give me this opportunity.
I'm so thrilled.
I really admire your work.
And so I feel good.
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I feel good to be here.
Thank you.
And that.
And that is how we met.
I wanted to kind of share that story.
My publicist put us togetherlast year for an interview on your
show.
And the whole time I wastalking with you, it wasn't video,
it was only audio.
So I couldn't see.
You see people, you know, toconnect visually with people.
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And it was so hard for me tojust connect on the phone.
But the whole time we weretalking, the canine guides are like
shouting in my ear.
You've got to get to know thisperson better.
She's very important to.
With her mission that she's providing.
And it also sort of integrate.
Integrates with my mission aswell, which we'll talk about a little
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bit, too.
But.
There'S a lot of parallelsbetween us.
And that's one of the thingsthat really struck me because I've
also been downloadinginformation from other were from
the crystals and from spiritguides and so on, and so are you.
And we've been selected by theother side, and I think they try
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to get other people to.
But we heard them and weresponded and we were willing to
write and so on.
So it's not as if we're theonly ones selected, but we are the
ones who responded.
And that was what struck mewhen talking to you, Heatherly, is
that you in a very similarposition to me.
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And we both were probablygoing, what?
What now?
You know.
Are you serious?
Because certainly I was in that.
In that position.
Sorry to interrupt, but I. I couldn't.
I can't help.
I'm so enthusiastic about theparallels between us.
It feels good.
It does feel good.
And it's very.
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There are so many of us thathave a similar story.
And that's what's so excitingright now, is that so many people
are answering the call.
And that's a scary place whenyou don't know where you're going.
You're just following step bystep by step by step.
It takes tremendous amount oftrust and faith.
And so those of us.
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And dedication.
Yes.
And.
And a willingness to take a risk.
Yes.
To step outside of who wethought we were, you know, and discover
who we actually are and who wecan be.
So.
And Heather Lee, can I justadd that what's very important to
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me on my show is that we haveregular people, not celebrities who've
got, like, a PR machine behindthem, but regular people such as
ourselves, who've taken therisk and have put in all that extra
hard work to get the messages out.
And there's no machine or hugeteam of people behind us.
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We have what we have, and wehave the other side.
And that's where I'm hopingthat every single person realizes
they've got something specialto offer, too.
They just need to hear andtake some risks.
And that's very important tome because every single person has
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this potential.
In my understanding.
Yes, that's my understandingas well.
And that's kind of where bothof our journeys collide and meet
and mesh is because my work isso similar to yours and.
And waking people up andgetting them connected to that part
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of themselves so they can hearand they can take action and understand
what they're here to fulfill.
Yes.
Yes.
So with no further ado, let'shear a little bit more about your
journey.
What brought you to this pointin your life and what your actual
mission is and your knowledgeof crystals?
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Well, my journey is very interesting.
So interesting that I alsowrote a book, and that's this one,
Everyday Magic.
And it's.
I guess you could call it amemoir, but I think that it's more
a case study.
And it's written in a way thatpeople will be able to relate to
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it as themselves they can, because.
And many people write to meafter reading the book, and they
say, I feel like my story andyour story is so similar.
And I think that is the truth.
We all actually have similarparallel stories, just like you and
me.
We have these similar parallelstories, but so does everybody else.
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The spirit guides are theretrying to contact and connect with
everybody.
And those who hear them, willtheir lives change, as we know.
And when I wrote the book, myintention was just to talk about
my story after I'd written it.
And it did take me six draftsin seven years.
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And after I wrote it, Inoticed something really interesting.
In every single chapter, thespirit guides appeared.
And that wasn't a consciousthing for me until I reread my own
book.
And then I realized, hey, thisisn't a book about me.
This is a book about how thespirit guides interact with us to
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steer our lives.
So that's one of the thingsthat's in this book.
That's one of the themes.
It's also the.
Another theme is about teachers.
And that was.
It was a book by Dan Millman,the Way of the Peaceful Warrior.
And I read that book, and Ithought, wow, I wish I had a teacher
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like that.
I read that book as a child.
Yeah.
Yes.
I was a teenager and Ithought, well, I couldn't have been
a teenager.
I was in my 20s probably, and,or maybe I was in my 30s.
But I, I read the book and Ithought, I wish I had a teacher like
that.
And then I went, no, but thatis a synthesis, that's a synthesis
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of multiple teachers.
And then later I read in theforward that that truly was the case.
And I went, I have had themost extraordinary teachers in my
life.
And this is a book aboutteachers as well.
It's very similar in thatregard to the Way of the Peaceful
warriors because it shows howI got guided into these different
things.
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So there's a little bit aboutthat and that's more sort of about
the book.
But I, I, I just had some,there are some amazing stories that
I can't believe in the bookabout how I got communicated with
and steered.
And it was really a matter oftaking some leaps of faith and just
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following the guidance.
And the guidance came to, tome in various ways.
There was also a book, GodSpeaks to Us through Other People,
you know, and there wasdefinitely that element where I had
to hear what other people weresaying to me and there'd be a theme.
And I'll give an example.
We very much wanted toimmigrate to the United States of
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America.
And, you know, it's not aneasy thing to do.
You know, we weren't going tojust try and run across the border
or something.
And it was not at all easy.
And then a strange thingstarted to happen.
I was an Alexander teacher inCape Town, and there were only a
few of us that had qualifiedas Alexander technique teachers in
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South Africa.
And I kept getting calls from Johannesburg.
And after the third call, Ithought, I wonder what's going on.
I really wonder what's goingon here.
And I better make a list andtake the phone numbers of these people.
Because the first person, Isaid, sorry, you know, there's no
Alexander teachers in Johannesburg.
The second person called thatsame week, I said, sorry, no, there's
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no Alexander teachers in South Africa.
Third person called and Iwent, I think I should be, I think
I better be recording thesenames and phone numbers now.
I'm talking in the 1980s inCape Town, South Africa.
And then sure enough, thefollowing week, I got a whole bunch
more calls.
And I went, there really issomething going on.
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I need to go, I'm being calledto Johannesburg.
I need to go there now.
The logistics were anightmare, but my son aiden was only
18 months old and I'm not oneto Go driving around in strange cities
and so on.
So Neil and I both went up to Johannesburg.
We took Aiden with us.
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Our second son wasn't bornyet, and it was a logistic nightmare.
We had to find somewhere tostay where we could also work.
And at the last minute, thiswhole beautiful home became available
and everything started to fallinto place.
And we sent our car up by railto Johannesburg, as well as some
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of our Alexander techniqueequipment, and we were incredibly
successful.
I where there was a group ofmeditation people, and they all wanted
Alexander lessons becausethey'd heard that this would help
them with a more upright spine.
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And that's what the AlexanderTechnique is, I should say.
It's about retraining posturaland habitual patterns.
And so people wanted formeditation so that their spine can
be correctly aligned for theenergy to move correctly.
And so then that's whatappealed to them.
And so that whole group of 10people was wanting lessons.
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And then there were somestragglers who heard we were coming.
But by the end of the week, wehad a full book.
I was seeing 12 people a day,and Neil was seeing 10 people a day,
and the phone was ringing offthe hook.
This was the days before cellphones and so on, because we're talking
the 1980s, and it was actuallyEaster, and it was full moon, and
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I was staring out the windowand I went into a trance, and the
clouds were drifting acrossthe moon.
You know, it was iconic.
There was the tree branchacross the moon and the clouds.
There wasn't an owl hooting,but it was as if there was an owl
hooting.
And I fell into this tranceand this whole vision came to me.
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I saw the city of Cincinnatiin Ohio rolling out a red carpet
to me and inviting me acrossthe ocean to go to the usa.
Wow.
And Owen.
Oh.
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Because Johannesburg is builton seven hills and Cincinnati is
built on seven hills.
Both are landlocked.
There are similarities, Thereare parallels between those two cities.
And once I was inJohannesburg, I was able to get the
vision of how to get into theUnited States, how to get our green
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cards and get access to theUnited States of America.
And so then it unfolded fromthere, and.
And it was successful.
And it was by answering thecall, because I'm telling you, Heatherly,
everybody said, why are yougoing to Johannesburg?
I mean, I didn't understandthe concept when I was young.
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I mean, at that time, I was young.
I was in my early 30s.
And I just qualified as anAlexander teacher when I turned 28
years old.
And then I became very Popular.
And I didn't realize it, butit's what we call now trending.
I was trending in the country.
Even though I was in CapeTown, in all the magazines like Cosmopolitan
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and everything like newspapers.
Everybody was making thisgrand fuss and all the celebrities
were coming to me and I was just.
But I. I was naive and I wasinnocent and I didn't really understand
what was happening.
But I was so busy.
I was seeing 73 appointmentsper week.
These were half hour appointments.
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It was grueling and it waslike people were saying, but why
are you going to Johannesburg?
Because I didn't need to go toJohannesburg to earn money, but there
was a reason.
And I said, I don't know.
I don't know why I'm going toJohannesburg, but I'm being called
there.
You followed?
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Yeah.
You listened and I will findout when I get there why I'm supposed
to go.
And when I was in Johannesburgon that weekend, I figured out how
to get green cards and getinto the United States of America.
And I'm not.
Where do I live?
In Cincinnati, Ohio, usa, perthe vision.
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We followed the vision and itall worked out.
It was amazing.
And how long have you beenthere now?
33 years.
Wow.
Quite a nice number, isn't it?
So, yes.
Yeah.
So I started.
My very first desire was to bea teacher and then also naturally
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a writer.
That's sort of my natural giftis writing.
It's like my natural talent,which is really interesting to have
a natural talent because it'sso different from the ones where
you plod through to learn theskills and so on.
So I rather like that.
Writing is a natural talentfor me and I'm grateful for it.
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And then I wanted to be ateacher, but I realized I didn't
want to be a teacher in institutions.
I couldn't bear the thought oflistening to the school bell ringing
for the rest of my life andthis whole syllabus thing, being
told what to do and stuff like that.
So you know, I thought, well, what?
Whatever.
And then When I was 11 yearsold, my teacher said to me, there's
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an article on clinicalpsychology in that magazine.
It was a career magazine for.
For children.
You might want to take a lookat it.
And I just looked at her and Iwent, that's what I'm going to become,
a clinical psychologist.
And she just looked at me.
And it was because I had thisthing inside me which I do talk about
in everyday Magic, where abell would ring when I heard a truth,
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like a little bell ringing.
Inside.
And you know, I didn't realizeit, but of course that's intuition.
And I was naturally intuitiveand also a very logical person.
So, you know, things gethidden from you when you're kind
of on the cusp of logicalintuition and those kind of faculties,
then you don't really realizeand you don't really understand what's
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going on with other people.
But I'm right there in the middle.
You know, if you do Myers,Briggs or one of those personality
tests, I'm always coming upright in the middle of all those
different functions.
So anyway, I've decided at theage of 11 to become a clinical psychologist.
But I got blocked and I gotblocked because there was a professor
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who was not a good person andI kind of reported him, I kind of
told on him and that was a badpolitical move.
And so I got continuing withclinical psychology.
Now he later got booted outbecause other people got on to the
fact that he was actually, youknow, not a good egg.
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But, but it was, but, but Iwas actually just being steered another
direction.
And that was the Alexander technique.
And when I was working as anAlexander teacher and seeing all
those people, I had this oneexperience where this Greek guy,
he was a martial artist karateinstructor, he came and right after
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him came this beautiful youngwoman who was a cellist and she was
literally dressed in whitelike an angel.
So here this big Greek martialartist guy is leaving my appointment
room and in comes this amazingyoung woman who's a cellist and like
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an angel and a fairy and, youknow, all that kind of stuff.
Even dressed down, down tobeing dressed in white.
And the energy shift, the yinyang energy shift was so strong.
And I wasn't into this, youknow, new age woo woo stuff.
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It was what happened.
It was an experience for me.
And this energy yin yangenergy shift from the extreme yang
to the extremian spun mearound and made me dizzy so that
I landed sort of flopping intothe chair and I was dizzy and I had
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to collect myself.
And I was like, it was such aclear experience.
And so that started tointerest me in the energy field.
And as I kind of discoveredit, I discovered it.
I mean, one and I discoveredthe intuition and I discovered mental
telepathy.
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I mean, I had one client lyingon the table and he said.
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He.
Said I can't really do thisand relax.
Is that taking him through ameditation for the chakra colors?
I knew a little bit aboutenergy work and a new little bit
about the, about the chakrasbecause obviously that was going
to be interesting to me, but Ididn't know a lot.
Yeah.
And I said, well, let's do ameditation through the.
The chakra colors.
I was doing a guidedmeditation, and I told him to think
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of the colors.
And then I said, but not in sostripes, like a color palette.
I said, you know, you got tolet them be swirly.
And he got very upset, and heglared at me and he said, are you
reading my mind?
And I went, oh.
Because I was.
But I didn't realize it.
I was just seeing the picturesof what he was seeing in his mind.
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I was so innocent about it all.
And, you know, anyway, sothat, you know, there's these stories.
I mean, there was one guy, Iwas holding his head, and I couldn't
feel his feet.
And, you know, the whole thingfor an Alexander teacher is that
you can literally feel throughsomebody else's systems and you can
feel their physical being, andyou can feel what's going on with
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them.
And, you know, so it's anexcellent platform for.
For energy healing work.
And that's what I use in myprivate practice now.
I use all three of thesedifferent things that I'm able to
do and more than that.
And so I'm holding his headand I go, why can't I feel your feet
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and your legs below yourknees, huh?
And he says, because when Iwas five years old, they were going
to amputate my legs just belowthe knees.
And my uncle carried me out ofthe hospital on his back.
And they came the story.
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And I'm like, wow, how weirdis that that I could feel that and
know that.
Anyway, it kind of built upover time.
And back in South Africa, Istuck purely with the Alexander technique.
But once I came here to theUnited States, the crystals kidnapped
me.
I'd heard about crystal healing.
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I was in awe and admiration.
I love crystals.
I tell the stories about that.
It's all, you know, it's allhere in the book.
And I was very, extremelyattracted to crystals.
And I had a few.
And they were on an attache,you know, shelf, you know, with glass.
And it was decor in my.
In.
In our school room and.
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Which was also my.
In my studio for giving sessions.
Nice big rooms, you know, Ialways like a nice big room to work
in.
And the crystals called meover, and this.
The woman on the table, shewas actually the mother Superior
of her orders.
None.
And she was actually themother Superior.
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And a crystal calls me overand says, I want to work on her.
Oh, I don't know.
What's going on?
I didn't know what was going on.
I thought, what.
So anyway, I'd get.
Pick up the crystal.
And it was a crystal we'dbought in a junk store in a town
called Kna.
It's a resort town on theGarden Route in the.
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In the Cape.
In the Cape Province.
It was the Cape Province.
And I don't know what.
It's all.
I think it's still the CapeProvince in South Africa.
They changed some of the names when.
In the 1990s, when the ANCcame in and the apartheid system
ended, you know, so.
And.
But we'd already left.
We left South Africa in 1991,the end of 1991.
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So anyway, this crystal, itkind of dragged me around the table.
You know how a dog can pull you?
Well, you'll know how a dogcan put you on a lead.
Well, there it was.
The crystal was just like acanine spirit guide pulling me on
the lead and.
Wow.
And I just like, went over herbody and I did stuff.
And we were both completely silent.
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Now, this mother's superior, this.
This woman, she's no longerwith us, but she had the most extraordinary,
extraordinary healing capacities.
We would do healing circlesthat she would lead, and you could
feel the etheric energy formpillars, actual pillars in the room,
and she could heal people ofcancer and all kinds of.
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There were a few stories wherepeople arrived for their surgery
and the doctor would say, letme check one more time before I actually
cut you.
And you'd go, I don't knowwhat happened, but it's gone.
Yeah, true stories.
Anyway, she.
She.
And here's.
It's a word of caution.
She was not trained as ahealer, and she was using her own
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energy, which some of theshaman do, do that.
And it uses you up, and it iswhat happened to you.
You know, if you want to dohealing, you.
It's better to have skill setsthat you use than to use yourself
as the.
As the healing convert.
Because it.
It can be.
It can be debilitating, and itcan even be toxic.
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You do have to be carefulabout it.
And it is one of the reasonsthat I started Four Winds Academy
for the Healing Arts and Sciences.
And how that came about wasthat we had the Alexander schoolroom
and we had all the tables andwe had the space and everything.
And then I got a message inthe way that we get messages where
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we don't know if it's an ideaof our own or if it's something that
came in from outside.
And I'm with that.
But boom.
I was told you must use thisspace 247 or if not 24 7, 12, 7.
You've got all this equipment,you need another school.
There's a school for traininghealers because healing needs to
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become a full on professionduring the 21st century.
And in order for it to becomea full on profession there needs
to be schools and properprofessional training.
And that's why I establishedForeign Academy for the Healing Arts
and Sciences.
Did I need more work?
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No.
I had a young family, I wasway into martial arts, doing taekwondo,
I was playing racquetball, Iwas, I had a full on busy private
practice.
I already had an AlexanderTechnik training course.
So it was busy, busy, busy.
And here comes another.
Never convenient.
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We did it.
And that school, that schoolwas shown to me and it was my job
to bring it into the school.
And actually the presentationthat we're going to do on July 13th
is technically a Four WindsAcademy presentation.
And it's because Mitch, she'salso someone who's working to establish
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healing the healingprofessions in a more mainstreamly
acceptable way.
And I think that her work isvery, very, very important for establishing
energy healing as a viableprofession in our society.
And you know, it's.
And, and that's why I, Iwanted her to also speak in that
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free call because I thinkanyone who's committed to energy
healing in which, whichevermodality, but if they committed to
it and want to see it grow andbe more accessible for people and
more respected and to be ableto reach more then we need to become
a little bit more mainstreamand we need to be able to show yes,
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we truly are professionals.
And so that's why I was soexcited when I met Mid.
I was so excited when I metyou, Heather Lee.
And I was so excited to, whenI met Mitch Murphy.
And that's why we're going todo that presentation together because
I think it's going to be, Ithink it's going to be an amazing
thing for us to do as a teamtogether because we committed to
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that professionalism eventhough what we're doing is hardly
regarded as mainstream yet.
But there we are, we have todo it.
We're messengers and we'rementors and we're being guided and
all the things that I do, andI'm not one to wing it, but all the
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things that we do, it's fromguidance, isn't it?
Yeah, yeah it is.
And I, I'm, I'm like you, I'ma very systematic, logical person
and for me to just throw thatall out the window and follow my
gut is really hard.
Absolutely.
And that's what was so hardfor me with the crystal surgery and
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the crystals was.
It was like I was.
It felt like I was making itup as I go along, and it's not my
style.
My style is to go and get aproper training, to have textbooks
and so on.
And so, you know, long storyshort, because, you know, what am
I going to do?
There's just too much to say.
I ended up researching crystalsurgery for 25 years and then turned
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it into this textbook becausethat's one way you can become more
mainstream.
Let me just get this.
That is a beautiful book.
Oh, my goodness.
That book just speaks to me.
There's so much frequencycoming off of that book, Vivian.
It's amazing.
Amazing.
Thank you.
Thank you.
You know, it's 25 years ofresearch and development, and then,
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of course, the writing of thebook and the photography and everything,
it just, you know, it's.
It's.
It's been wonderful.
And you know what?
We've only got four copiesleft from this print run.
Oh, my goodness.
It's basically, we.
It's sold out, and we're aboutto reprint in paperback.
And it's kind of exciting thatpeople are responding this well.
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And I feel like the nameCrystal Surgery is getting out there
and people are.
I know that other CrystalHealing authors and developers are
in respect of this book.
And it feels good.
It feels good.
But I cannot claim it as mywork because in this book, in this
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book, it's 100 years worth ofwork that it represents.
I mean, there's over 100techniques and procedures, and they're
well researched and documented.
And it's designed so that ifyou follow the procedures and the
steps correctly, you'll getthe same results as I do.
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It's not from personal gift orskill or talent.
It's from technical accuracyas well as intention and what is
in your heart.
You can never take that out ofanything we do.
People want to call it placebo.
Intention and what is in your heart.
Yes, it's just as important,but that must be married to technique
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and procedure and accuracy and respect.
Yes.
Respect for what is and why it is.
And that's the only way we canget the changes we want.
You know, so there is a hugeamount in here, and.
But it's a download.
There's no way a human beingcan do that on her own.
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There's just no way.
So between the crystals andthe teamwork from the Crystals.
And the crystals telling mewhat to do.
The spirit guides helping mehave some very, very powerful spirit
guides that come through in.
Yes, you do.
Very, very clear man.
And they used to speak to mein riddles.
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And then I have this amazing intuitive.
She came to me, she wanted todo an exchange with me.
And she, she.
She died.
She's lying on my table.
She says, why do your spiritguides talk to you in riddles?
I said, I don't know, but makethem stop because I can't stand it.
You know, when I wasestablishing Four Winds Academy,
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they.
I needed a name.
And they.
All they would tell me was,the name is under your nose.
Thank you, but you need tohelp me.
And they.
And I said, but what is thename of this academy you want me
to establish?
I said, the name is under your nose.
So one day I'm standing in mykitchen and I'm looking at the mail
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and there's the address.
We live on Four Winds Drive.
And I look up and then.
And the name is under my nose because.
Because I'm looking and I lookacross the road and there's our street
sign, Four Winds Drive.
And I go, four Winds Academy.
And it's been a wonderful name.
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It's been the right name.
And it's like the name wasunder my nose.
But why couldn't they justtell me.
That'S what some people don'tunderstand about spirit guides is
that they're not always correct.
They have a sense of humor andsometimes they're not just going
to hand it to you.
They want you to.
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To meet them halfway andfigure they want you to work.
They want to.
You have to show your commitment.
And yeah, the other thingabout spirit guides, at the least,
they don't understand money.
I've had to give them lectures.
They don't understand time either.
They don't understand time.
They don't understand lecture money.
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So I, I said to them, this alltakes money.
We've got this thing calledmoney here on earth.
Yeah.
And so the next time, the sameintuitive that had asked about the
riddles, but this was aboutfive years later, she said, I just
got a message from the guidesthat I must pay.
I must make a donation.
She did tithing.
I must make my donation to thewinds and the only wins and those
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four winds.
So I had complained to thespirit guides what we need money.
And they ran off to that samein children and said, give the wins
money.
She got the message.
And then her husband at thattime, he used to send this check
every month.
A donation to Four Winds Academy.
And he'd send it with a joke,like a Far side joke or something
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like that.
And then she went off to livein Sedona.
And so then she wasn't inCincinnati anymore.
So there's some, there's some,you know, once you open your, your
mind and your heart to this guidance.
There are such wonderfulinspirational stories, aren't there?
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It's just so extraordinary.
Yeah, yeah.
When you can finally hear and connect.
Yes.
And then you have tounderstand how to interpret.
Sometimes like you just.
Oh, I know, I know.
Because you can go on a wildgoose chase and I've seen that with
other people, but I'm really,really careful.
I've got a three time rule.
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They want me to do something,tell me three times, then I know
it is you show me, give me the signs.
I, I, we, we contract forscience so that I can get a, I can
just be confirmed because Ihave seen people that are in highly
intuitive and are connected tospirit guides.
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Psychology can cut acrossthat, fear can cut across that and
ego can cut across that.
And I have seen them go onwild goose chases.
And I, I don't want to be partof that because I haven't got time
for a while.
I haven't got energy.
That's my story.
I haven't got the time and the energy.
So for me to commit time andenergy to something, I need it confirmed
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and I need to feel that support.
Yeah, I'm not getting the support.
I can't proceed.
Yeah.
So that's always more, youknow, more of a sign, you know, so,
you know, so it's like I said,you know, I can't proceed without
money.
So the money came in.
Yeah.
And, and when you have thattwo way communication, I think it's
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important for people tounderstand that we're not just in
receiving mode, but we alsohave the capacity to ask for what
we need to fulfill what we'rebeing told to do.
Yes.
We're a team.
We're part of a team and, andthen we, we must, there must be a
back and forth, there mustgive, be a give and take.
So yeah, absolutely, yes.
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Science is a big thing and I'man empiricist.
I'm not one for, you know,these very limited scientific experiments
that yield no information.
I mean I studied a softscience psychology and the nonsense
that they would make usresearch like, oh, children need
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love.
You know, it's like, dudes,can we just move to what's actually
groundbreaking and important?
So that's people like us,Heather, lead that are willing to
take the risk.
But we still do our researchand we are still using our logical
faculties and we still have tobe grounded and we still have to
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have an integrated body ofknowledge that actually makes both
internal and external sense.
And this is why I respect yourwork so much, because you're clearly
on that same track.
Yes, I'm going to talk aboutsomething that people are going to
say is woo, woo.
But I am going to make itexternal accessible because I do
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commit to a scientific method and.
And then I was studying a softscience and they make you do research.
And those are all the thingsthat set me up and caused that.
The, the spirit guides to askme to be the download for crystal
surgery.
These are all these different elements.
The fact that I could be awriter, the fact that I was intuitive
and willing to listen to them,the fact that I had studied the scientific
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method and all those differentelements showed why it would be me
that would be have thepleasure of doing this.
But I just want to say thatI've been interviewing a lot of different
people, Heatherly, and youjust inspired me so much and I just
felt like we were on paralleltracks and I wanted my community
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to get to meet you because ofcourse people love dogs and that
dogs are so important.
And I have a lot of peoplethat are animal communicators and
animal healing for animals andso on, and I want them to meet you.
And that's why I wanted tohave you on the call as well, because
I think that your work is verysignificant and also very accessible.
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You know, the moment that wehear, oh, there's such a thing as
canine spirit guides, we go,yeah, I did know that.
And then given us the.
You've given us the next.
I don't know if it's 3 to 10,I don't know how many levels up you've
taken it, but it's.
You're giving us somethingthat we don't.
Didn't have before.
And that is phenomenal.
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Phenomenal.
It definitely is a whole new level.
Yes.
And because of that, theywon't let me do the other stuff.
Like I'm like, why can't Icommunicate with dogs?
I'm doing all this work.
Why.
Why can't I hear what the dogsare saying?
No, no, because they don'twant me to spend time there.
They're like, there's too manypeople doing that.
You need to stay in your lanewhere we put you.
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I know, I know it's the samebecause I wanted to Write a general
book about crystal healing.
And they said, vicki, theyalways tell me, anyone can do that.
Stay with what only you.
The part only you can do.
So you're saying, stay in your lane.
And they're just saying there is.
Because I said, well, why do Ihave to write for an ever smaller
target market?
And they said, because you canand because you're not after fame.
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And this is not about your ego.
This is about service.
And so.
And you're willing to do that,and you have to.
That growing tip is just thesmallest point of a taproot, is the
growing tip.
And it has to push down intothe earth and get there.
And then all the other routes,root hairs have to come off that
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taproot.
And we are the tip of thetaproot, just extending, you know,
we're the radicals.
We are.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Oh, I've always been a radical.
I have never conformed toanything in my life.
But we're radicals in a good way.
We're radical for building,you know, not.
Not, you know, we're nottrying to tear anything down.
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And we just were.
We're thought leaders.
Yeah.
So I was hoping you'd give alittle light to a couple of crystals
that one of the canine spiritguides loves to use in her healing
sessions.
And that is the number onecrystal she loves is apophilite.
And I didn't even.
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I didn't know this crystal existed.
I knew nothing about it untilI got on a call with you and you
could kind of shared with mewhat the capacity of this crystal
is all about.
And then I finally began tounderstand why she was using it so
much.
Would you like to share withus what this crystal is and what
it does?
Sure, sure.
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So Y. Aphelite.
I have a very nice cluster here.
I'll just hold it up.
Well, that's a big piece.
Wow.
Okay.
So.
And it comes in these points.
They call them pyramids.
It's got a flat base, and thepoints are.
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Then this is a cluster ofthose pyramid points.
You can see that one there.
So that's a white apothegate.
Now, I use this a lot.
I use it in almost every session.
And I will explain.
Explain how.
Now, the thing with whiteapophyllite is it's got very high
frequency.
It's the highest frequencytool that I use.
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The Phenakite has a higher.
Has a higher frequency thanwhite apophila, but it's too high
for me.
It gives me an instant headache.
And.
But this is the high frequencyfor sophenakite's going to take you
up into the ether.
So when I'm doing healingwork, I really want people to be
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doing well here on planet Earth.
I'm really wanting to gettheir physical being, their physiological
being, their mental being,their emotional being, as well as
their spirit in an integrationand a coordination.
And this is the highestfrequency I would want to use because
I needed to be able to relateto the.
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The physical andphysiological, not only the spiritual
soul aspects.
And so for me, Phoenix is justtoo high a vibration.
Now, the thing with whiteapophyllitis, that the novice will
mistake it for quartz, quartzis more gray in its appearance, whereas.
So this is a beautiful quartzcrystal in a beautiful formation.
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But it is.
You might be able to seeespecially close to where my baby
finger is there.
It's kind of gray compared tothe white apophyllite.
White apophyllite is silvery.
And it's that silver vibrationthat's very high and speaks to the
spirit and the soul.
And so it's really.
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It's really lovely.
And it really brings.
Raises vibrational frequencies.
So when we're not well or wedepressed or we exhausted, our vibrational
frequency starts to drop.
And then in crystal surgery,we have what we call a white light
infusion.
And so we infuse the whitelight into the person to raise the
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vibrational frequency to bringthem back into feeling well and balanced
and energized.
And that's what I specificallyuse white apophyllite for.
So, and I do it in two ways.
I have a white apophilite bed,so that's another cluster.
And then I take the proxy crystals.
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So I've attuned this to the client.
So this is for remote sessions.
And then I'll literally justhave to adjust this.
See, let me do it this way.
And then I actually lay theproxy crystal on the apophyllite
bed.
So I call this an apophyllite bed.
And I lay the crystal on, andthen I also infuse from the top.
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So I connect in.
So I need three hands here.
And I connect in.
And I also infuse from the topby using both these stones.
And so it's literally puttingthe person in a white apophyllite
sandwich.
And I love white apophyllite.
You'll never see a big whiteapophyllite crystal like this.
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White apophylite crystal isabout that size.
This is.
And they come bigger thanthis, but not a lot bigger.
And they come in theseclusters like.
So this is like a Stalactite.
You can see it's got a core toit and it's just, this is Indian
material, it comes from India,and it's just an amazing, amazing
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stone.
And this other stone here,this is still bite.
And then, you know, it occurstogether, they grow together and
still bites also.
Obviously got wonderfulproperties, but white apophyllite
is just, it's, it's a very,very high vibrational frequency and
it invites you to a highervibrational frequency.
I always like to use the wordinvite or you don't want to manipulate
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people's energy.
You want to invite the energyto start to shift and to change and
you don't want to be forcefulin any way.
And white apophyllite is notforceful, whereas I found the phenakite
is a little bit too forceful,even though it's got a high vibration.
It's also very expensive,whereas this is not such an expensive
stone and it's readily available.
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This is, this is importantwhen you're talking about crystals
and crystal healing is you canrun up incredible expense and so
on.
And so the fact that Anthea,who I see is also a cheetah, one
of my power animals, incidentally.
Oh, yeah.
Not that I usually share aboutmy power animals, but I have a big
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relationship with cats and thecat kingdom.
I myself am a Leo.
Astrologically, cheetahs arereally, really important to me.
And people say, you know, whatare you?
I say, I'm a cheetah.
I, I, I work in quick sprintsand get stuff done, but then after
that I have to rest.
And so, you know, I think ofmy energy as cheetah like and so
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on.
So it's very interesting to me.
And I love white apophila too,and it, and it's one of the important
stones in crystal surgery.
So this is a crystal surgery wand.
What is a crystal surgery wand?
It's a wand that has certainstones in combination.
So white apophylite andmetamorphosis quartz.
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And I believe that these aresurgical tools of the future.
They already do do lasersurgery, which is a combination of
ruby and copper tubing andcareful design.
So that's from the 1960s.
And they put crystals inphysical therapy tools.
Of course, the pacemaker hasgot quartz in it to maintain the
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beat and so on.
So I think that these are alsoprecursors to surgical tools of the
future.
And I'm using them in crystalsurgery and white apophyllites.
Very, very, very important incrystal surgery.
I had no idea how that happens.
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Just beautiful.
Roads lead to Rome.
You know, we're.
We're.
You know, Heather Lee, we'redealing with the truth.
Truth.
I'm looking at truths.
You're looking at truth.
That's why I like you so much.
You know, just to say itperfectly, frankly, is I'm not listening
to you and going channeled stuff.
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I'm looking at you like, oh,I'm in the presence of truth.
It makes a big, big, bigdifference to me because, you know,
we're not doing this just for fun.
We're doing it because it'sthe truth.
It's the truth, and it's whathumanity requires to move us forward.
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That's what's so beautiful.
You know that's right.
It's a planetary mission.
Although Anthea usesapophyllite just like a plant medicine.
It's incredible.
It is.
It is.
And the way that I usecrystals and crystal surgery, it's
got a homeopathic aspect to itas well.
And, you know, we did alsomention previously crazy lace agate.
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Oh, yes, I did want to show.
I have a personal piece ofcrazy lace agate.
And you can see it's got.
It's.
It's amazing.
The color of this one is unusual.
It's sort of green, kind of agreeny khaki color, but.
And then usually there's apink and red lines in crazy lace
agate.
This doesn't have it, but thisis a personal piece, and it is really
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for helping the mind tocoordinate because it just shows
that kind of network that hasto be going on in the nervous system
in order to yield informationand be able to access.
This is a personal meditationpiece for me that's very calming
and very soothing, but it'salso invigorating and activating
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for the nervous system.
So, you know, I did want toshare since I brought it along, and
it didn't want to be left out.
Oh, okay.
That's the thing.
They also sentient beings, andthe crystals like to show off.
So, yeah, who am I to arguewith the crystal?
So.
And Anthea has recently started.
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I picked up a crazy lace agateat a show recently, and I didn't
know why.
It just drew me to it.
Beautiful piece.
I should have brought it toshow, but right away in that next
session I did with Anthea, shebrought in the crazy lace agate in
that session, and she uses itdifferently than she does the apophyllite.
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So I found that very fascinating.
And I keep asking, do I needto learn crystal surgery?
Do I need to know what allthese crystals are and how to use
them.
They say, no, no, no.
Let them do it.
Let them do it.
And.
And the crystals.
And you can have it foryourself and see what comes out of
it.
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But you don't have to.
As soon as you said I waslike, don't again, do stay in your
lane.
Yeah, yeah.
For yourself.
Yes.
You can explore them.
Yeah.
Well, thank you so much, Vivian.
Love you dearly, my friend.
Thank you.
Love you, too.
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Love you all.
Thanks so much for watching,like, share and follow and let's
take this journey together.
Bye.
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