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May 13, 2025 63 mins

This week, we talk to Joe Kennedy, the Director of Athletics and Sports Leadership at the Obama Presidential Center. Joe is a lifelong basketball player, coach, and civics leader. He coached in the NBA. He worked directly with President Obama and First Lady Michelle Obama on initiatives like the Let's Move Campaign. He launched All Vote No Play — a movement focused on increasing student-athlete voter participation. In other words, he’s kind of a dude.


In this episode, Joe talks about:

  • What he learned from time with President Obama
  • His team’s magical run at March Madness
  • What democracy can learn from sports



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