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April 1, 2025 63 mins

Our guest today is Sir John James Patrick Kirwan, aka JK. He is renowned as a mental health advocate, former rugby union and rugby league player, and former rugby union coach.


JK was part of the New Zealand All Blacks team that won the first Rugby World Cup in 1987. He's also written two books, "All Blacks Don't Cry" and "Stand by Me". 


We talk about the myth of balance. You'll find out why he believes balance is bullshit. 


We talk about whether the same mental health principles that he teaches to corporate managers also apply if you're an All Black trying to win the World Cup.


We talk about the concept of performance care and why he believes you cannot be successful without it. 


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