November 14, 2025 • 36 mins
We discuss part two of the Real Housewives of Orange County reunion from our BravoCon hotel room in Las Vegas!(Season 19 - Reunion Part 2)
Tamra and Jenn try to work through their issues, only for Jenn and Katie to end up in their own tense back-and-forth about the end of their friendship. Gina offers Heather a sincere apology, while Gretchen stands firm and denies any wrongdoing. But the real fireworks begin when Matt joins the stage and confronts both Jenn and Gretchen—proving he’s not afraid to come in hot.---------------------------This has been a production of Husbands Watching Media, LLC(really, still a hobby gone out of control)---------------------------Theme song "Hullaballoo" by Tiger GangLicensed through Soundstripe, Inc.RKSN3RRSNS7PJZECRKSN3RRSNS7PJZEC---------------------------Find us on Social MediaTikTok: @HusbandsWatchinInstagram: @HusbandsWatchingHousewivesFacebook: Husbands Watching Housewives---------------------------Visit our website https://www.HusbandsWatchingHousewives.com
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The welcome to the episode of Husbands Watching Housewives.
I'm Scott. And I'm Jeff.
And we just watched episode of The Real Housewives Orange
County from Las Vegas. Vegas.
Vegas, baby, we're here in. Las Vegas for Bravo Con Yes.
Yes, and we're very happy that we caught that episode tonight
on at 7:30 Vegas TIME. Yeah, so we're like, oh, oh,
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see, let's go up and watch it. It'll be on at 8.
No, it was not on at 8:00. Do we just take it for granted
that it's on at 8 everywhere? Like you would think.
It has to be some weird Vegas hotel like satellite dish.
Stuff, I think there's a time itwas like kind of like it was
loading at one point. So I think it's, yeah.
It's just off kilter. Yeah, Yeah.
But we're very fortunate one that we're here at Bravo Con and
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that too, we got to catch the the episode tonight.
Otherwise we'd have to we'd oh, Boo Hoo us.
We'd have to go to Las Vegas, enjoy Bravo Con for three days
and then go home and watch Orange County after the fact.
We're so put upon. Oh my gosh, like just problems
problems. Problems.
Problems. So I didn't have problems and I
was seeing it in one of them, yeah.
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Yes. So if any of you watch this and
you are here here at Bravocon, please if you see us during the
course of the the convention, please stop us, say hi.
We'd love to talk to you. If you're not here at Bravocon
and you just want to talk to us,you can always e-mail us.
Scott or Jeff at Husbands Watching housewives.com and
that's Jeff GEOF. F It's fancy.
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Or is the front desk person likedidn't even dare to say it?
She was about to say G off. I've gotten G off for 46 years
in my life. It's OK.
It's all right. Yeah, you.
Just are you OK with that now? Or no, not really, I just
accepted it. What if everyone, what if it's
like our fans call you Gee off? Would that be OK?
I'd be great to have fans so, but no, do not call me.
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I have a friend from high schoolthat will like every year on
Facebook because I'm still on Facebook because I'm old.
We'll say, you know, happy birthday, Gee off because that's
what she you know, when she'll spell it out like Gee, it's
fine. Got it, Got it.
Yeah, I experienced recently andwe'll get to the show, we
promise. I experienced recently someone
asking if my name was Scott withdouble OS.
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Yeah, and I had no, I normally I'd say no, that's the word
scooch. That's not Scott at all.
But I get how people get there. I get it the same way you get
why people end up with G off, but still.
Or like, it's not my name is it's AJ, but no Scoot and Scott
that's just no one. His name's Scoot.
You could be Scooter but you're douchebag who did Taylor Swift
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wrong and we don't like we. Don't like that at all so.
Or was it? Was it Skeeter?
Was it Scooter the Muppet the back that?
There was Scooter and then Skeeter was the Muppet baby
sister. Right.
Then we forgot about Muppet Baby.
Scooter was though. He's like the what's the he's
the backstander. Yes, I love Scooter.
His green jacket. Yeah, it was good.
It was good. Yeah.
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You know, I always was partial to Scooter myself until I
realized I was Beaker. Which would make me Doctor
Honeydew. Yeah, Bunsen Honeydew.
Bunsen. Honeydew.
Honeydew, right? We should do that for Halloween
sometime then. We should.
We're not putting on green makeup, though.
We just don't do Halloween is the problem.
No, we're not those gays. We're we're Christmas gays.
Christmas. Gays, we do.
True. Yes, Maybe one day, if we ever
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have children, we'll, we'll, we'll do it like be gonzo.
And that could be concept. We'll find another.
We're a scooter. Oh, that's true.
So cute. So anyway, yes, if you're here,
Bravacon, say hi. If you're not at Bravacon,
follow us at all of our social media.
We're going to be posting thingsthroughout the weekend.
Not as much as we intend to. We really want to do a lot, but
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you know, best way to plan. But also like, just like be in
the moment and not, you know, right.
Yeah, because who knows? And we'll go to another Bravo
con and and do VIP and all the things and it's just it's a lot,
you know, money wise. I.
Really hope tomorrow we can likedo like a, a split screen flip
screen thing where you're like jumping around like daffy like
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woo Hoo woo Hoo, bravo con. And you're just like like
enjoying every moment of it. Because right now, if you're
downplaying it, you're kind of like, oh, OK, it'll be nice.
Right. I'm really, you know, I don't
know why it was like just, you know, travelling and like
shooting stuff out. So I have a normal schedule, but
I was telling you I was very anxious today and I just, I
don't know why, you know, like it should be like great.
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Like, you know, you have to workfor two days and you're going to
Vegas and you're going to see like rubber celebrities.
You're going to be with your husband.
It's going to be like, you know,delightful.
And I was just like super anxious.
But now I'm like settled down a bit, getting a bit more like a
little bit. It's just being tomorrow.
I think once we're there and, you know, doing all the things
and seeing everybody and so. We'll be in the moment.
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Yeah, I'll be. I'm excited to see my two
favorite OC people, Katie and Tamara, tomorrow.
We're our first. See all of them?
Oh for sure, but like, that's our first photo op.
That's why I bring that up. Yeah, no, he asked me a really
good question earlier, dear listeners, he dear.
Listeners, dear Lias. Who now?
I'm thinking, now Bridgeton. Like, Oh dear, listeners.
This this dear. Reader no.
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Like what will we say to them when we, you know, meet them?
But you know, pretty much I'll say you're fantastic and we, you
know, love you on the show. We, you know, love what you're
doing. Yes, Also like the sort of thing
is like, you know, I I would like to meet somebody who's
gonna walk up and be like, you're the worst.
That'd be so awful if someone. Did that.
Why would you? Why would you?
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There are people. There must be people that
they're. Gonna waste their photo op just
to go say shit to Tamara Judge. Yeah, I think they're gonna make
whatever Tamara grudge. Yeah.
I'm like, I'm this is for Shannon.
Yeah, they're like, no, you know, let's say throw spaghetti
at her. I don't know.
Why throw spaghetti like a? Harmless thing?
Yeah, we were talking about noodles.
Really. Yeah.
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So anyway, we should get on to the reunion.
Yes, while I'm here giving bloodon this table.
I got to say like it didn't really get good until the end.
Like only when it they started talking about Katie and Jen and
and then when Matt came out. Well, but we can start from the
beginning. Well, there was a whole stretch
in the middle where they were just like, lack a better term,
like just blowing smoke up each other's ass.
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Like, oh, you're so great, Ha ha, wasn't it funny?
And they were talking. About things that happened like
10 years ago. Well, that they're always
because ever since fucking it's fine.
Ever since Gretchen came back, it's all been about what
happened 15 years ago and I'm sotired of it.
But no, the beginning episode itwas just what happened maybe 10
years ago with the fatty photo. I am so done with this fatty
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photo that Gina made a thing when she used fatty photo like
she coined the term. Tamara didn't.
Was she being a shady Yes, as she admits to was it.
I know what we knew what she wassaying like Jen changed herself
possibly to like fit into OC. You know part of it.
It's like to be whatever. And like, I do think she might
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have had, you know, gumption to be on the show, which isn't a
bad thing, but it's just, you know.
As Andy points out, yeah, you know, I, I, we when we watched
it originally and she showed thephoto, it was definitely like a
moment of like, oh, is she trying to body shame her?
Which I think there's a hint of it.
I think you can't avoid it. But I really think that, like,
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the overall point she was tryingto make was she's changed a lot
and she's changed herself to look more like Tamara.
And as Andy pointed out, the quintessential Orange County
woman, right? That's that's not who she was
when she she went. From the Midwest and she was
with Will and you know, now. Now, I don't think there's any
way you can get to that point without going by way of also
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she, you know, has a noticeable body change.
But I don't think that's what Tamara was going for.
No, I think she. Thought twice about trying to go
where she was going, realizing that it would go past.
Body I wouldn't have gone with asingle white female thing
because you just don't have enough people in the eye on your
side to support that. And it's also just dumb and.
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It's dumb because like it's trueeven you back in the day like we
just watched an episode it came on right after the reunion of
like I think seeing season 3 Tamara she looked like a the
quintessential OC housewife. So it's not she wasn't trying to
be Tamara. Who cares they lived on the same
street. I can't support Tamara that I
don't care if she lived on the same St. as you.
She wasn't trying to single white female e-mail you.
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I just think she had a glow up. Yeah.
And for whatever reasons she's happy with how she looks and who
she is right now and who she is with and you know, trying to
have a good Co parenting thing with Will.
So I'm not shitting on Jen for any of that.
I'm shitting, I'll shit on Jen for other things.
When you get to the gadium at all.
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Right, right. Really not shit on her.
That's a harsh way of saying it,but.
I'll save that for only fans, OK?
All right. You know, OK, so now so I don't
have, I don't have beef with Jenin any of those, so.
My problem, one of my problems is, is that like Jen proved a
number of points of like, you didn't even live on that street
when I lived near that street. So why are you bringing it up?
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You know, all these different things that like, we're clearly
a stretch for Tamra to have likeconnected the dots in the way
that she did. And like, I and much rather
Tamara have not just gone there.Like she could have proven the
point in 20 other different ways.
But like, she seemed very desperate to like, glue it all
together, something to hang her.Hat on all that I think just say
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you just don't like her and you know she bugs you and and.
It was clearly a moment of self of production where she was
trying to produce things like even the whole, you know.
Here's such. A thing like watching it back,
it was really, really was kind of, I don't know when Tamara was
like she had it put in. No, having extensions put in is
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an ordeal. It's a process.
And they've both admitted to thefact that, like, it was just
like, oh, these are Tamaras. And they stuck it in like, real
quick. Right.
They're like clicked on. It wasn't like a sewn into her
head like. She made an appointment and was
like, hey. Give me the Tamara.
I have these old my friend who Ireally like.
I have her hair extensions. Could you put them in my head
because. I don't like to buy any new
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ones. Right, because that's what it's
what Tamara makes, makes it sound like.
And so it's one thing for Tamarato be like, OK, yeah, you're
right after the fact, but it just was stupid to go there in
the 1st place. And it makes Tamara look thirsty
and desperate in a way that I don't think she truly needs to
be. No, like there's other things to
criticize Jen for. Her lack of a backbone, her flip
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flopping, her not being a good friend, her obvious lying, her
pretend amnesia. Many things.
Single white female is not one of them.
So I think I'm glad she apologized.
Let's move on, let's bring it upagain, whatever, whatever.
So that was. And then there was like, let's
high drinks and fun stuff that the housewives did together.
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And I'm like, I don't care aboutany of that.
I don't care about Shannon almost falling off of a bike.
I don't care about Shannon needsa bathroom break.
I don't care about Shannon like he's eating shredded chicken.
I don't care. Yeah, like that.
Like, there's. So there's really nothing here
until we get to the Katie and Jenna.
But even before all that happens, what was going on
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during the break? What was with, oh talking about
Nicole or some other person? Nicole is the wife or partner or
wherever of the friend of Ryan'sthat went to jail, I think for
the bookkeeping, yes, not bookkeeping.
Bookkeeping. Yes, the book making.
Yes, that was, that was kind of funny when Jen was like, I guess
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she was driving him to prison. Yeah, prison.
If we she's even like Shannon said, are going to bring it up
and she didn't bring it up unless we see it in Part 3.
I imagine we will see it in partthree.
Yeah, although it seems like most of the Katy stuff they're
done with by the end of this episode, like in the next
episode. It's all about that Tamara thing
and the Gretchen thing and Gretchen afraid crying and
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Tamara like flipping out becauseof this Blogger accusation.
And then next week we'll also have Emily and Tam Tamara going
out a. Little bit which I can't wait
for that I really. Can't wait.
I want to know what's behind allthat.
I want to just, I feel like Tamara feels let down by Emily.
And so she's being petty about the whole you're so sucked.
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And we had to like, you know, save it by putting in our
channel, like helping you out, right?
So I think that's what she's doing.
That's unfortunate, I'd again, I'd much rather much rather
Tamara like make her point with legitimate things than going for
the low hanging. Well, but was she witty fruit?
But when they but it's fun though.
But but I think also they tried to they went there and they
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talked about the whole I don't trust you thing.
And Limley made valid points. So yeah.
So it. Was the only valid points you
mean? Katie and Jen of it all.
Matt comes out really right. Well, it's versus Katie and Jen
to begin with that I feel that Katie and they were real
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friends. And you know, Katie squirted the
shit out of Jen last season and Jen didn't give her that.
Jen wants to fit in with the other girls, right?
So as soon as like everyone flipped on Katie, she's like,
well, I can't touch that. That's just.
And then my new best friend Gretchen, you know, I can't, I
got to toe the line because theywere toeing that line.
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Don't. Even give me start on toe the
line because I fast word I thinkthat Gretchen is hanging her hat
on. We didn't actually say total and
those are your words because shesaid it numerous times while
everyone was. Screaming, I believe, I believe
Slate did I just whatever. Really, really really.
Cannot. But yeah, I just think, yeah,
I'd going back. I just think Chin just wasn't a
good friend to her and let her Hangouts drive.
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And like, I'm questioning things, Katie.
I'm questioning who you are. I don't know who you are or
like, if I do miss you and some question is, do you miss her or
not? No, you don't miss her because
she doesn't serve your purpose anymore, right?
So I will. Say, I will say something Katie
said was a little bit suss and it was, I don't know the exact
words, but it was along the lines of I back.
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I agree, agreed with you becausethat's what friends do.
But she was kind of saying it asthough I agreed with you, even
though I knew what you're sayingwasn't true.
So it was kind of the thing thatSalt Lake had gotten into a
little bit when bad weather started having like a little
rift a few seasons ago of like, I expected you to back me up
even though you knew I was lying.
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Because that's what friends do. Because that's.
What friends do. Which is not true.
I don't believe that friends do that.
Friends call you out on your shit and tell you no.
You're fucking lying. So in that regard, I do worry
that maybe Katie may have been expecting Jen to just go along
with a handful of things she said that maybe not have been
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true. But I still think overall Katie
was telling more of the truth and was saying more of the gist
of things, maybe how she was getting there because of the
convoluted nature of she was trying to still support Jen or
Gretchen at the time and not throw Gretchen into the bus like
it would have been. It would have been easier to get
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where they were going had Jen just agreed with Katie.
And they might have all gotten to a place where Gretchen turned
out smelling like a rose. All three of them smelled like a
rose. But because Jen didn't go ahead
and support this one departure, you know what I'm saying?
I think it had gone down to thatlike Katie was collateral damage
and the two of them, the four ofthem, Jen, Katie, sorry, Jen,
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Ryan, Gretchen Slade were like, we're on this team now.
Everyone else is already pissed at Katie for talking to
bloggers. Let's her hang out to dry.
And so, you know, screw her basically.
And I think, you know, Jen was like, that's what I'm being
told. I'm, you know, I want to stay on
the show and you know, whatever,So I just don't think she's a
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good friend. Although I don't, I see what
Katie was saying, skipping up tothe end a little bit about, you
know, you screwed me out of a paycheck, but I wouldn't have
said it because it's everyone screwed you.
Yeah, that's immediately where everyone went too, because
apparently Emily started shouting some stuff out of it.
Made it seem like Katie was in front to her about it too.
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So. I mean, yeah, it's it's, you
know, had Jen stuck by Katie, would there have been more of a
place for her? Possibly.
But everyone was just so on thisteam of she's a liar.
The lie detector approved it like she's the worst that ever
could worse. You know she's recording people
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and you know we have to be done with her.
But that is the point that Katiewas making, is that had you just
agreed with me on one point, I might have been able to stick
around. And so that does come off whole
desperate sounding on Katie's behalf.
But at the same time, where I where I ultimately land, and I
think a lot of the fans do. And I think what makes this so
unsettling is that I think it's just very obvious from a common
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sense sort of way that Katie is right.
Katie is telling the truth. She may not have always told the
truth about everything, but about this she is.
And people can tell in their bones that she is.
And so the other problem having is Andy could have been a lot
more decisive about this and done a lot more to he.
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Could have stepped in like he, Yeah.
I mean he could have just come in and said like this is
bullshit. This is my opinion, but he's
trying to play both. Sides do that.
He can't do that. Which is.
Which is so dumb though, becausehe's the executive producer of
the show. Right, but he can't totally do
that. But no, he can't.
He has to like he can't pick a side like he definitely can be
like, you know, give a face and like throw some trade here, IE
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Slay doesn't straight away from the camera.
But he can't just come out and say like, I don't think this is
right, this is bullshit. He can and he does all the time.
And so I think, I think he couldin this case if he really
wanted. To I believe he may not want to.
I think they may be done with Katie Which?
Is an HR violation. No, I think he's just done.
I think they may all just be done with Katie, which really
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pisses me off because she's a very interesting person and I
want to know more about her life.
I want to go to with her to Korea to meet family members.
I think she has something that is just a great, I don't know.
I think she yeah, yeah, I'm just.
Gonna say qua. Just, I don't know, I just
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really like her and I just and in her vibe and I think she's
gotten definitely made things asmuddier than they should have
been. But I think, you know, given
another season, another chance, she could do much better.
And I think she is showing another point of view.
And also, you know, I'm not saying she's be there because
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she's a minority, but it's nice having a woman of color.
Yeah. On this white girl cast.
Yeah. I'm sorry.
Like OC is the whitest, whitest show.
And I know that reflects OC, youknow the place, but there are
people of color there. Well, there's, I mean, a lot of
parts of Orange County are like Irvine has a very heavy, I think
it's an Indian population. I might have the specific
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national incorrect, but yeah, I mean.
But why do you take so long to have an Asian cast member?
Like, it's just they're out there.
They're people of color. Like Tamara tried to get, you
know, a purse. A black woman on the show.
And she was great, the real estate agent.
No, no, she wasn't an age. No, that was like the party.
Yeah, yeah, the party planner you're.
Right, you're right. There's an agent.
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There's no I think she was trying to get off and she was
also at their their watch party that Katie and Tamara.
Oh yeah. Yeah, yeah, very tall black
lady. Anyway, you know, it's
disappointing to say the least. Yeah, so that's just like that.
But yeah, I think, you know, Kitty got muddied up with the
Gretchen of it all in the Slade and the toe to lion.
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So which brings us to Matt. I think I'm glad he came out
there. I'm glad he defended his wife.
He actually, you know, stood, asthey say, 10 toes down for her.
Was he a little sharp with ladies?
Yeah, but I was. When, when Shannon said, oh,
he's shaking, just let him talk so he can get out of there.
He's shaking because he's so pissed off, because you're like,
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because Stretch is trying to like screw with him.
It's his first time at a reunion, right?
Was he there last year? No.
Yeah, I didn't think so. No, sorry.
Summer reunion. He's there.
He's trying to defend. I get shaking.
I think it's smart. And and this is where people,
this whole like Shannon's clueless and hapless and
doddering. I don't, I don't buy it at all.
Because she was so right to turnto Gretchen and say don't argue.
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The the less you engage with them, the sooner this will all
be over. He'll be out here and you don't
have to even address or give hima chance, let's say.
Gretchen can't help herself. The second he came out there,
you could tell she was worried. She was scared.
She's breathing heavy. Yeah, she looked.
Concerned, she looked was givinghim her full, undivided
attention so that if he said something, she could pounce on
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it immediately. With her Slade talking points
that they rehearsed, maybe had an earpiece.
And, and this whole thing about Slade not being there, like
thinking about it after seeing that had Slade been there, then
it would have given Matt and Slade the opportunity to go at
each other dirty. Whereas I'm sure Slade said if I
don't go there, Matt can't come at you the way he would come at
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me. Right, exactly.
And also he's the only man, a real woman.
And so the second he made that remark about her being sorry,
I'm sorry on the cast, the second he made that remark about
her being the 4th wife, everyone's like, so it's a whole
like, how do you talk to a womanlike that?
When a woman's coming at you andsaying gleefully, you're the
first one you said that. You said that, you know, you
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thought that Eddie was gay, was gay.
And you said, like, how do you react to that?
He was so frustrated. That's why he was shaking it
Shannon. Like he was shaking with anger.
Because this is bullshit. Here's my thing.
Like I understand why I met I fully.
But that came in hot. He came in hot.
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But I also, I, I don't, I wouldn't be surprised if Matt
was like, Oh yeah, the first time I met Eddie, he seemed
really gay, like, and he would say it and throw it away and not
even think twice about it. Whatever.
I'm not, I'm not bent out of shape about it.
I wish that we were at a point where being gay wasn't an insult
or like any sort of like derogatory connotation to it.
Right. I wish the Gretchen Eddie used
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it as used it as a deflection, because that's what she clearly
was doing because it derailed the conversation.
Even Andy was like, you're aboutto land the plane when you get
back to that. And he was like, pissed about
like, are we really going back to like, calling when gay,
right? Like this is so 2012.
I would have really, really, really been OK had Matt said
yeah. I said that because when I met.
Him. I don't think he said that.
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Even if he did. I don't believe it.
I don't believe a fucking word that comes out of Gretchen's
mouth, I think. He did, I think he I think he
said it because he did follow upand try to defend right.
I because you just told me that you walked in on him having sex
with another man sometime. Or someone said that or some
bullshit. So still I don't.
Believe. I think it's totally stupid.
It's dumb that it even came up but.
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She used it as a flexion, right?That's all we need to say.
And I think had Matt said So what?
What's that? Happening.
I don't even worry about that. That's bullshit.
I don't care about it. Yeah, I don't care because she's
using it as a flexion. And she's just because she knows
that he knows the truth, right? That this is the conversation
they had with him as Slate. And so there was there was many
text messages and that's many phone calls.
That's the other part and we mentioned earlier, I mentioned
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earlier is that they're also hanging their hat on.
We never said hold the line. That's your thing.
And so they're going to do this whole damn legalese thing.
If we'd ever said that, it's like, no, you may have not said
the words hold the line, but everything about your message
was back Gretchen up. Don't stray from the story that
we've already been spinning. And that's what gets Gretchen
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the ability to say we never saidthat.
And as long as long as that exists on reality TV where
that's where Andy could step in and say, did you say anything
like that did and ask the questions like you may not have
said those. Any did say like if this had
happened, you would have been saying it everywhere, that that
Tamara drugged you. You would not want to be on a
(24:28):
cast with someone who drugged you, he started.
Defending her that's. That's what's well he makes.
It's a valid point. She would say that, but that's
why what it didn't happen. She was not drugged.
She'd not go to the hospital. But yes, she said it to Katie
and Matt 100%. And I still I.
That's what he should have discerned.
Like you would have gone and like said from here to heaven
(24:50):
would have called the police. The Tamra judge struck me.
It didn't happen. But you wanted to throw this out
there for some suspicion to turnKatie and Matt against Tamra and
your campaign to get on the show.
So it'll be the three of them against and they would get
everyone else in. And finally, Gretchen would have
a revenge that she's been waiting for since 2015, like
(25:12):
actually earlier to have. Yeah, no, I you're.
Right. Shit.
Yeah. I, I, Yeah, I, I have no follow
up with that. Yeah.
So it's it's just really just bugged me and how she wouldn't
kept interrupting him and wouldn't let him, you know,
actually say this is what happened.
I was there. You weren't on the phone with
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Slade. I was there.
I am telling the truth here. I am not a liar.
Like I hate said some snarky things, but I am not a liar.
So I believe Matt, I believe Katie in this respect.
I am so over that entire freaking couch from Jen to Emily
to Shannon to Gretchen. They could just go scratch.
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Like it's just so bugs me. Like that's really the three.
You just bugged me. Like I just, I'm irritated.
Yeah, I, I wish Tamara had handled things differently
throughout the course season. I think she was performing a
little too hard trying to keep her orange or you know.
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I think it was a support. I think she was spinning out and
she just didn't have a hold of herself and like was just being
really too irrational and neededto get a hold of herself.
OK, Yeah, that makes sense. Because I think had she been a
little bit more I think herself and a little less producey and I
think just a little bit more, you know, just sticking to the
truth and the facts without trying to like Gil de Lily, so
(26:38):
to speak, and embellish everything.
I think she would have proven her points much better.
And instead she's like gotten caught up in this muck, admire
of, you know, the whole single white femaling of Jen and all
these different elements that she's trying to like.
And the quitting of all and whatnot.
If it's like Kylie said, if Gretchen it's coming clean and
(26:58):
not relying on stuff from the past.
If Tamara just ignored Gretchen,you know, if if she had just
been like, whatever, Jen, yeah, she just it wasn't her best
moments, but were not for for Tamara and Katie.
What will the season have been about?
Had Gretch had Katie, sorry, hadTamara actually quit in New
(27:18):
Orleans, what will the season have been about?
What would they have done? Yeah.
Like. I mean, I'm sure they would have
found something boring to talk about.
There's no drama. Like, I mean when they flipped
on Shannon and they're like had an intervention they would have
gotten to. The Prov with Heather.
They would have gotten improv with Heather and Heather.
It would be like a whole like, let's try improv and shoot.
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Yeah. And she's like, oh, that whole
sorry, going back we forgot about Heather and Gina having
her like let's from now on take because it did happen and it is
real. Heather had a career, has a
career. She's an actually working
actress. Stop making fun of it.
It's not cool. Let's move on.
I saw the Clorox commercial withher, her and Brittany.
(28:00):
Brittany Cartwright. Yeah.
That was that was definitely some acting.
The what we're forgetting about is next episode must they must
bring up the whole social media posts of Gretchen's.
It's that and also it's Tamra allegedly talking to bloggers
and leaking the entire season ofAnd then I went to a lunch with
(28:21):
Katie and then I went to here with there.
Yeah, I just all. The leaks that came out.
There comes a point with me where I just, obviously, I just
don't. I just don't.
I'm tired of people defending Gretchen.
I don't. It's indefensible.
I don't want her on the show. I don't want to hear she's been
good to me. Fuck off.
Yeah, the whole idea, the whole idea of like, and it just
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permeates society today in general is just like, I don't
have any problem with like this,that or the other group.
They've never done anything bad to me.
And it's like, I, we shouldn't be, we shouldn't be putting
people's, you know, character orthey're just existence in the
balance of they've never done anything bad to me.
Because that's all about you, and not like the actual person
(29:05):
who's been harmed by the person who was your friend.
Right. And so it's like the whole idea
of like, oh, you know, he, you know, he's gay.
Gay guys like us like, oh, well,they're, they're, you know,
they're not this type of gay or that type of gay and they've
never done anything bad to me. It's like that shouldn't even be
part of the conversation. It should just be like they we
all have a right to exist. So when it gets down to this
(29:27):
whole thing of Gretchen, I don'twant to it's indefensible.
And I just don't think, especially for a show like now,
I get that like Orange County housewives, the show, there's a
conservative element to it and it's supposed to appeal to that.
But Bravo as a whole is a very liberal network and so like for
(29:47):
them to be Co signing this. We have this conversation,
though. It's not that they're liberal.
They focus on people who might be liberal, but they don't.
Bravo doesn't get into politics.It's very rare.
No period. They don't do it.
Like it only happens like once. The blue moon, IE Carol making
it her whole story that one season when Hillary was running
for president. I get it production wise they
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don't, but the whole like tilt of their network.
Right, but focusing on gay people doesn't make you liberal.
Now I get that. So just because you have shows
where there are prominent gay people doesn't, yes, you are
progressive, but you don't want to lose your entire audience.
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That's why we're not pointing out who's who's Republican and
who's Democrat. You know, they're not focusing
on that because they want everyone to just hate someone or
like someone for who they are, not for who they voted for.
We only get into these details online, right?
Were like taking me like I know so and so is a registered
Democrat. They have now brought that into
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Orange County with this whole Gretchen thing and so.
Right, but it depends on what they do with it.
If Gretchen's back, then they don't give a crap about politics
next season and she could come back next season.
She better not come back. I would be really upset if she
comes. Back I really hope.
I was upset that she was coming back period from the day one
(31:11):
they announced. This you used to not even want
to mention her name out last. Exactly because she was like
Beetlejuice. Don't bring her up and she won't
come out. Or shut Candyman.
Both. Slade is Candyman, she is
Beetlejuice and they brought, we've said them their names many
a time and now here. I, I tend to believe that they
won't bring her back only because I think they brought
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Alexis one season, I think they brought Gretchen one season.
I think for season 20, they're gonna bring Vicki back now.
And I think they're gonna make that happen and see if that
sticks. And I think that'll just be the,
you know, kind of we've gone down memory lane and now we're
done with it. We're going to move on from.
There like aside from the whole the the posts on social media, I
(31:55):
think just the fact that Gretchen didn't bring anything
new. It was focusing on things from
years ago. Old beef just shows she's not
evolving with this show. Why we're not doing season 6 of
OC? It's season 20 of OC.
But it's the same way Alexis wasreally, really beating the whole
John Jansen thing to death. Or at least.
That's right, she also did it for herself.
(32:15):
I loved Alexis but she did herself no favors.
She also has her own worst enemy.
Feel like someone come back to the show and they just don't
know how to like navigate the show right, you know, and it
just. Because they wanted to.
They'd probably feel like it's riding a bike.
And they're like, well, the bikeof his riding was this bike from
15 years ago. And it just makes it a hard
(32:37):
thing to do. Yeah.
It's interesting. Yeah, I think over Alexis had
she just said I'm not going there, Shannon, that's between
you and John. Like I'm not.
Please don't talk about my my fiance, not fiance, my
boyfriend. You know I love him.
I'm sorry I didn't work out withyou, but she was just like, I'm
going to defend like she's goingto the mat for John in a way
(32:58):
that was like, no, you make now.It's all about John and nothing
about you and how you are currently interacting with these
women. And you're also beating up on,
not really, but the island seizure is beating up on someone
who is down and had a DUI and gonna kill people and you know.
Well, that'll be the same thing.I'm sure next season they're
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good. They have to be bringing Vicki
back. They might have even been like,
hey Tamara, can you do some social media that makes it look
like this is all happening in real life?
You know, I think that's that's not the network.
That's Tamara saying I want Vicki back.
I want Shannon out. They're not here.
They're not getting rid of Shannon, especially next.
Not next year, right? Maybe the year out.
I mean, I, I think that they're going to have a good 20th
(33:42):
anniversary and make it all, youknow.
Cool, you're actually you're probably right because they want
now that there's been the Teresa*** keep flipping sides about
who they like. So that would be interesting to
see them all back. And so, yes.
Especially if Vicky comes up next year with her, you know,
lips stuck to Tamara's ass. Then Shannon can be like, why
(34:03):
are you being like this? Why, you know, and this, you
know, can be completely freaked out about it.
So it's something. Shannon's completely freaked
about if I freaked out about lighting a life, Yeah.
Yeah, Oh God. So I keep looking behind me to
see like we talk about old ladies, but we don't have them
behind. It I know we should have like.
The sphere. I think so.
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We didn't really get much. Emily didn't talk much,
thankfully. No, I was just really annoyed by
her last week. Yeah, just how she treated
Katie. Gina did the Heather thing that
was like, whatever. It's all Heather really had.
Shanna didn't have much. Tamara didn't have to like, tell
her to shut up 10 times. So yeah, I was mainly it was,
but it was Katie and Tamara and Jen and Gretchen.
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So if you're in the middle of the couch, we don't want to hear
a friend yet. Something to say next week?
Maybe so. Well, they will when this all
this, yeah. Yeah.
All right, so we have a full dayof Bravo condoms.
We got it there like 9:00 AM. Well 9:30 DJ Meredith goes on
with her set and then. I mean, you got to, you got to
(35:10):
bet we'll be dancing. It's 9:30 in the morning and
we're, we're big dancers, right?Totally.
Look at me dancing. Look at me, I am raising the
roof. So yeah, big old day tomorrow,
we'll maybe we'll pop on some sort of live or something, I
don't know, but. We'll put some content out
(35:30):
there. Yeah, we'll throw some content
and maybe we'll even do like we'll do.
Maybe we'll come back here afterwards, do a recap if we
have time at some. Pass of the day, yeah.
And we'll talk about it next time.
Till next time.
The welcome to the episode of Husbands Watching Housewives.
I'm Scott. And I'm Jeff.
And we just watched episode of The Real Housewives Orange
County from Las Vegas. Vegas.
Vegas, baby, we're here in. Las Vegas for Bravo Con Yes.
Yes, and we're very happy that we caught that episode tonight
on at 7:30 Vegas TIME. Yeah, so we're like, oh, oh,
(00:34):
see, let's go up and watch it. It'll be on at 8.
No, it was not on at 8:00. Do we just take it for granted
that it's on at 8 everywhere? Like you would think.
It has to be some weird Vegas hotel like satellite dish.
Stuff, I think there's a time itwas like kind of like it was
loading at one point. So I think it's, yeah.
It's just off kilter. Yeah, Yeah.
But we're very fortunate one that we're here at Bravo Con and
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that too, we got to catch the the episode tonight.
Otherwise we'd have to we'd oh, Boo Hoo us.
We'd have to go to Las Vegas, enjoy Bravo Con for three days
and then go home and watch Orange County after the fact.
We're so put upon. Oh my gosh, like just problems
problems. Problems.
Problems. So I didn't have problems and I
was seeing it in one of them, yeah.
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Yes. So if any of you watch this and
you are here here at Bravocon, please if you see us during the
course of the the convention, please stop us, say hi.
We'd love to talk to you. If you're not here at Bravocon
and you just want to talk to us,you can always e-mail us.
Scott or Jeff at Husbands Watching housewives.com and
that's Jeff GEOF. F It's fancy.
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Or is the front desk person likedidn't even dare to say it?
She was about to say G off. I've gotten G off for 46 years
in my life. It's OK.
It's all right. Yeah, you.
Just are you OK with that now? Or no, not really, I just
accepted it. What if everyone, what if it's
like our fans call you Gee off? Would that be OK?
I'd be great to have fans so, but no, do not call me.
(02:04):
I have a friend from high schoolthat will like every year on
Facebook because I'm still on Facebook because I'm old.
We'll say, you know, happy birthday, Gee off because that's
what she you know, when she'll spell it out like Gee, it's
fine. Got it, Got it.
Yeah, I experienced recently andwe'll get to the show, we
promise. I experienced recently someone
asking if my name was Scott withdouble OS.
(02:25):
Yeah, and I had no, I normally I'd say no, that's the word
scooch. That's not Scott at all.
But I get how people get there. I get it the same way you get
why people end up with G off, but still.
Or like, it's not my name is it's AJ, but no Scoot and Scott
that's just no one. His name's Scoot.
You could be Scooter but you're douchebag who did Taylor Swift
(02:47):
wrong and we don't like we. Don't like that at all so.
Or was it? Was it Skeeter?
Was it Scooter the Muppet the back that?
There was Scooter and then Skeeter was the Muppet baby
sister. Right.
Then we forgot about Muppet Baby.
Scooter was though. He's like the what's the he's
the backstander. Yes, I love Scooter.
His green jacket. Yeah, it was good.
It was good. Yeah.
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You know, I always was partial to Scooter myself until I
realized I was Beaker. Which would make me Doctor
Honeydew. Yeah, Bunsen Honeydew.
Bunsen. Honeydew.
Honeydew, right? We should do that for Halloween
sometime then. We should.
We're not putting on green makeup, though.
We just don't do Halloween is the problem.
No, we're not those gays. We're we're Christmas gays.
Christmas. Gays, we do.
True. Yes, Maybe one day, if we ever
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have children, we'll, we'll, we'll do it like be gonzo.
And that could be concept. We'll find another.
We're a scooter. Oh, that's true.
So cute. So anyway, yes, if you're here,
Bravacon, say hi. If you're not at Bravacon,
follow us at all of our social media.
We're going to be posting thingsthroughout the weekend.
Not as much as we intend to. We really want to do a lot, but
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you know, best way to plan. But also like, just like be in
the moment and not, you know, right.
Yeah, because who knows? And we'll go to another Bravo
con and and do VIP and all the things and it's just it's a lot,
you know, money wise. I.
Really hope tomorrow we can likedo like a, a split screen flip
screen thing where you're like jumping around like daffy like
(04:13):
woo Hoo woo Hoo, bravo con. And you're just like like
enjoying every moment of it. Because right now, if you're
downplaying it, you're kind of like, oh, OK, it'll be nice.
Right. I'm really, you know, I don't
know why it was like just, you know, travelling and like
shooting stuff out. So I have a normal schedule, but
I was telling you I was very anxious today and I just, I
don't know why, you know, like it should be like great.
(04:34):
Like, you know, you have to workfor two days and you're going to
Vegas and you're going to see like rubber celebrities.
You're going to be with your husband.
It's going to be like, you know,delightful.
And I was just like super anxious.
But now I'm like settled down a bit, getting a bit more like a
little bit. It's just being tomorrow.
I think once we're there and, you know, doing all the things
and seeing everybody and so. We'll be in the moment.
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Yeah, I'll be. I'm excited to see my two
favorite OC people, Katie and Tamara, tomorrow.
We're our first. See all of them?
Oh for sure, but like, that's our first photo op.
That's why I bring that up. Yeah, no, he asked me a really
good question earlier, dear listeners, he dear.
Listeners, dear Lias. Who now?
I'm thinking, now Bridgeton. Like, Oh dear, listeners.
This this dear. Reader no.
(05:16):
Like what will we say to them when we, you know, meet them?
But you know, pretty much I'll say you're fantastic and we, you
know, love you on the show. We, you know, love what you're
doing. Yes, Also like the sort of thing
is like, you know, I I would like to meet somebody who's
gonna walk up and be like, you're the worst.
That'd be so awful if someone. Did that.
Why would you? Why would you?
(05:36):
There are people. There must be people that
they're. Gonna waste their photo op just
to go say shit to Tamara Judge. Yeah, I think they're gonna make
whatever Tamara grudge. Yeah.
I'm like, I'm this is for Shannon.
Yeah, they're like, no, you know, let's say throw spaghetti
at her. I don't know.
Why throw spaghetti like a? Harmless thing?
Yeah, we were talking about noodles.
Really. Yeah.
(05:57):
So anyway, we should get on to the reunion.
Yes, while I'm here giving bloodon this table.
I got to say like it didn't really get good until the end.
Like only when it they started talking about Katie and Jen and
and then when Matt came out. Well, but we can start from the
beginning. Well, there was a whole stretch
in the middle where they were just like, lack a better term,
like just blowing smoke up each other's ass.
(06:19):
Like, oh, you're so great, Ha ha, wasn't it funny?
And they were talking. About things that happened like
10 years ago. Well, that they're always
because ever since fucking it's fine.
Ever since Gretchen came back, it's all been about what
happened 15 years ago and I'm sotired of it.
But no, the beginning episode itwas just what happened maybe 10
years ago with the fatty photo. I am so done with this fatty
(06:41):
photo that Gina made a thing when she used fatty photo like
she coined the term. Tamara didn't.
Was she being a shady Yes, as she admits to was it.
I know what we knew what she wassaying like Jen changed herself
possibly to like fit into OC. You know part of it.
It's like to be whatever. And like, I do think she might
(07:04):
have had, you know, gumption to be on the show, which isn't a
bad thing, but it's just, you know.
As Andy points out, yeah, you know, I, I, we when we watched
it originally and she showed thephoto, it was definitely like a
moment of like, oh, is she trying to body shame her?
Which I think there's a hint of it.
I think you can't avoid it. But I really think that, like,
(07:27):
the overall point she was tryingto make was she's changed a lot
and she's changed herself to look more like Tamara.
And as Andy pointed out, the quintessential Orange County
woman, right? That's that's not who she was
when she she went. From the Midwest and she was
with Will and you know, now. Now, I don't think there's any
way you can get to that point without going by way of also
(07:50):
she, you know, has a noticeable body change.
But I don't think that's what Tamara was going for.
No, I think she. Thought twice about trying to go
where she was going, realizing that it would go past.
Body I wouldn't have gone with asingle white female thing
because you just don't have enough people in the eye on your
side to support that. And it's also just dumb and.
(08:11):
It's dumb because like it's trueeven you back in the day like we
just watched an episode it came on right after the reunion of
like I think seeing season 3 Tamara she looked like a the
quintessential OC housewife. So it's not she wasn't trying to
be Tamara. Who cares they lived on the same
street. I can't support Tamara that I
don't care if she lived on the same St. as you.
She wasn't trying to single white female e-mail you.
(08:33):
I just think she had a glow up. Yeah.
And for whatever reasons she's happy with how she looks and who
she is right now and who she is with and you know, trying to
have a good Co parenting thing with Will.
So I'm not shitting on Jen for any of that.
I'm shitting, I'll shit on Jen for other things.
When you get to the gadium at all.
(08:53):
Right, right. Really not shit on her.
That's a harsh way of saying it,but.
I'll save that for only fans, OK?
All right. You know, OK, so now so I don't
have, I don't have beef with Jenin any of those, so.
My problem, one of my problems is, is that like Jen proved a
number of points of like, you didn't even live on that street
when I lived near that street. So why are you bringing it up?
(09:15):
You know, all these different things that like, we're clearly
a stretch for Tamra to have likeconnected the dots in the way
that she did. And like, I and much rather
Tamara have not just gone there.Like she could have proven the
point in 20 other different ways.
But like, she seemed very desperate to like, glue it all
together, something to hang her.Hat on all that I think just say
(09:36):
you just don't like her and you know she bugs you and and.
It was clearly a moment of self of production where she was
trying to produce things like even the whole, you know.
Here's such. A thing like watching it back,
it was really, really was kind of, I don't know when Tamara was
like she had it put in. No, having extensions put in is
(10:00):
an ordeal. It's a process.
And they've both admitted to thefact that, like, it was just
like, oh, these are Tamaras. And they stuck it in like, real
quick. Right.
They're like clicked on. It wasn't like a sewn into her
head like. She made an appointment and was
like, hey. Give me the Tamara.
I have these old my friend who Ireally like.
I have her hair extensions. Could you put them in my head
because. I don't like to buy any new
(10:20):
ones. Right, because that's what it's
what Tamara makes, makes it sound like.
And so it's one thing for Tamarato be like, OK, yeah, you're
right after the fact, but it just was stupid to go there in
the 1st place. And it makes Tamara look thirsty
and desperate in a way that I don't think she truly needs to
be. No, like there's other things to
criticize Jen for. Her lack of a backbone, her flip
(10:43):
flopping, her not being a good friend, her obvious lying, her
pretend amnesia. Many things.
Single white female is not one of them.
So I think I'm glad she apologized.
Let's move on, let's bring it upagain, whatever, whatever.
So that was. And then there was like, let's
high drinks and fun stuff that the housewives did together.
(11:04):
And I'm like, I don't care aboutany of that.
I don't care about Shannon almost falling off of a bike.
I don't care about Shannon needsa bathroom break.
I don't care about Shannon like he's eating shredded chicken.
I don't care. Yeah, like that.
Like, there's. So there's really nothing here
until we get to the Katie and Jenna.
But even before all that happens, what was going on
(11:24):
during the break? What was with, oh talking about
Nicole or some other person? Nicole is the wife or partner or
wherever of the friend of Ryan'sthat went to jail, I think for
the bookkeeping, yes, not bookkeeping.
Bookkeeping. Yes, the book making.
Yes, that was, that was kind of funny when Jen was like, I guess
(11:44):
she was driving him to prison. Yeah, prison.
If we she's even like Shannon said, are going to bring it up
and she didn't bring it up unless we see it in Part 3.
I imagine we will see it in partthree.
Yeah, although it seems like most of the Katy stuff they're
done with by the end of this episode, like in the next
episode. It's all about that Tamara thing
and the Gretchen thing and Gretchen afraid crying and
(12:07):
Tamara like flipping out becauseof this Blogger accusation.
And then next week we'll also have Emily and Tam Tamara going
out a. Little bit which I can't wait
for that I really. Can't wait.
I want to know what's behind allthat.
I want to just, I feel like Tamara feels let down by Emily.
And so she's being petty about the whole you're so sucked.
(12:31):
And we had to like, you know, save it by putting in our
channel, like helping you out, right?
So I think that's what she's doing.
That's unfortunate, I'd again, I'd much rather much rather
Tamara like make her point with legitimate things than going for
the low hanging. Well, but was she witty fruit?
But when they but it's fun though.
But but I think also they tried to they went there and they
(12:54):
talked about the whole I don't trust you thing.
And Limley made valid points. So yeah.
So it. Was the only valid points you
mean? Katie and Jen of it all.
Matt comes out really right. Well, it's versus Katie and Jen
to begin with that I feel that Katie and they were real
(13:14):
friends. And you know, Katie squirted the
shit out of Jen last season and Jen didn't give her that.
Jen wants to fit in with the other girls, right?
So as soon as like everyone flipped on Katie, she's like,
well, I can't touch that. That's just.
And then my new best friend Gretchen, you know, I can't, I
got to toe the line because theywere toeing that line.
(13:36):
Don't. Even give me start on toe the
line because I fast word I thinkthat Gretchen is hanging her hat
on. We didn't actually say total and
those are your words because shesaid it numerous times while
everyone was. Screaming, I believe, I believe
Slate did I just whatever. Really, really really.
Cannot. But yeah, I just think, yeah,
I'd going back. I just think Chin just wasn't a
good friend to her and let her Hangouts drive.
(13:59):
And like, I'm questioning things, Katie.
I'm questioning who you are. I don't know who you are or
like, if I do miss you and some question is, do you miss her or
not? No, you don't miss her because
she doesn't serve your purpose anymore, right?
So I will. Say, I will say something Katie
said was a little bit suss and it was, I don't know the exact
words, but it was along the lines of I back.
(14:21):
I agree, agreed with you becausethat's what friends do.
But she was kind of saying it asthough I agreed with you, even
though I knew what you're sayingwasn't true.
So it was kind of the thing thatSalt Lake had gotten into a
little bit when bad weather started having like a little
rift a few seasons ago of like, I expected you to back me up
even though you knew I was lying.
(14:42):
Because that's what friends do. Because that's.
What friends do. Which is not true.
I don't believe that friends do that.
Friends call you out on your shit and tell you no.
You're fucking lying. So in that regard, I do worry
that maybe Katie may have been expecting Jen to just go along
with a handful of things she said that maybe not have been
(15:03):
true. But I still think overall Katie
was telling more of the truth and was saying more of the gist
of things, maybe how she was getting there because of the
convoluted nature of she was trying to still support Jen or
Gretchen at the time and not throw Gretchen into the bus like
it would have been. It would have been easier to get
(15:25):
where they were going had Jen just agreed with Katie.
And they might have all gotten to a place where Gretchen turned
out smelling like a rose. All three of them smelled like a
rose. But because Jen didn't go ahead
and support this one departure, you know what I'm saying?
I think it had gone down to thatlike Katie was collateral damage
and the two of them, the four ofthem, Jen, Katie, sorry, Jen,
(15:48):
Ryan, Gretchen Slade were like, we're on this team now.
Everyone else is already pissed at Katie for talking to
bloggers. Let's her hang out to dry.
And so, you know, screw her basically.
And I think, you know, Jen was like, that's what I'm being
told. I'm, you know, I want to stay on
the show and you know, whatever,So I just don't think she's a
(16:09):
good friend. Although I don't, I see what
Katie was saying, skipping up tothe end a little bit about, you
know, you screwed me out of a paycheck, but I wouldn't have
said it because it's everyone screwed you.
Yeah, that's immediately where everyone went too, because
apparently Emily started shouting some stuff out of it.
Made it seem like Katie was in front to her about it too.
(16:29):
So. I mean, yeah, it's it's, you
know, had Jen stuck by Katie, would there have been more of a
place for her? Possibly.
But everyone was just so on thisteam of she's a liar.
The lie detector approved it like she's the worst that ever
could worse. You know she's recording people
(16:50):
and you know we have to be done with her.
But that is the point that Katiewas making, is that had you just
agreed with me on one point, I might have been able to stick
around. And so that does come off whole
desperate sounding on Katie's behalf.
But at the same time, where I where I ultimately land, and I
think a lot of the fans do. And I think what makes this so
unsettling is that I think it's just very obvious from a common
(17:14):
sense sort of way that Katie is right.
Katie is telling the truth. She may not have always told the
truth about everything, but about this she is.
And people can tell in their bones that she is.
And so the other problem having is Andy could have been a lot
more decisive about this and done a lot more to he.
(17:39):
Could have stepped in like he, Yeah.
I mean he could have just come in and said like this is
bullshit. This is my opinion, but he's
trying to play both. Sides do that.
He can't do that. Which is.
Which is so dumb though, becausehe's the executive producer of
the show. Right, but he can't totally do
that. But no, he can't.
He has to like he can't pick a side like he definitely can be
like, you know, give a face and like throw some trade here, IE
(18:01):
Slay doesn't straight away from the camera.
But he can't just come out and say like, I don't think this is
right, this is bullshit. He can and he does all the time.
And so I think, I think he couldin this case if he really
wanted. To I believe he may not want to.
I think they may be done with Katie Which?
Is an HR violation. No, I think he's just done.
I think they may all just be done with Katie, which really
(18:22):
pisses me off because she's a very interesting person and I
want to know more about her life.
I want to go to with her to Korea to meet family members.
I think she has something that is just a great, I don't know.
I think she yeah, yeah, I'm just.
Gonna say qua. Just, I don't know, I just
(18:43):
really like her and I just and in her vibe and I think she's
gotten definitely made things asmuddier than they should have
been. But I think, you know, given
another season, another chance, she could do much better.
And I think she is showing another point of view.
And also, you know, I'm not saying she's be there because
(19:03):
she's a minority, but it's nice having a woman of color.
Yeah. On this white girl cast.
Yeah. I'm sorry.
Like OC is the whitest, whitest show.
And I know that reflects OC, youknow the place, but there are
people of color there. Well, there's, I mean, a lot of
parts of Orange County are like Irvine has a very heavy, I think
it's an Indian population. I might have the specific
(19:26):
national incorrect, but yeah, I mean.
But why do you take so long to have an Asian cast member?
Like, it's just they're out there.
They're people of color. Like Tamara tried to get, you
know, a purse. A black woman on the show.
And she was great, the real estate agent.
No, no, she wasn't an age. No, that was like the party.
Yeah, yeah, the party planner you're.
Right, you're right. There's an agent.
(19:47):
There's no I think she was trying to get off and she was
also at their their watch party that Katie and Tamara.
Oh yeah. Yeah, yeah, very tall black
lady. Anyway, you know, it's
disappointing to say the least. Yeah, so that's just like that.
But yeah, I think, you know, Kitty got muddied up with the
Gretchen of it all in the Slade and the toe to lion.
(20:08):
So which brings us to Matt. I think I'm glad he came out
there. I'm glad he defended his wife.
He actually, you know, stood, asthey say, 10 toes down for her.
Was he a little sharp with ladies?
Yeah, but I was. When, when Shannon said, oh,
he's shaking, just let him talk so he can get out of there.
He's shaking because he's so pissed off, because you're like,
(20:29):
because Stretch is trying to like screw with him.
It's his first time at a reunion, right?
Was he there last year? No.
Yeah, I didn't think so. No, sorry.
Summer reunion. He's there.
He's trying to defend. I get shaking.
I think it's smart. And and this is where people,
this whole like Shannon's clueless and hapless and
doddering. I don't, I don't buy it at all.
Because she was so right to turnto Gretchen and say don't argue.
(20:54):
The the less you engage with them, the sooner this will all
be over. He'll be out here and you don't
have to even address or give hima chance, let's say.
Gretchen can't help herself. The second he came out there,
you could tell she was worried. She was scared.
She's breathing heavy. Yeah, she looked.
Concerned, she looked was givinghim her full, undivided
attention so that if he said something, she could pounce on
(21:15):
it immediately. With her Slade talking points
that they rehearsed, maybe had an earpiece.
And, and this whole thing about Slade not being there, like
thinking about it after seeing that had Slade been there, then
it would have given Matt and Slade the opportunity to go at
each other dirty. Whereas I'm sure Slade said if I
don't go there, Matt can't come at you the way he would come at
(21:37):
me. Right, exactly.
And also he's the only man, a real woman.
And so the second he made that remark about her being sorry,
I'm sorry on the cast, the second he made that remark about
her being the 4th wife, everyone's like, so it's a whole
like, how do you talk to a womanlike that?
When a woman's coming at you andsaying gleefully, you're the
first one you said that. You said that, you know, you
(21:57):
thought that Eddie was gay, was gay.
And you said, like, how do you react to that?
He was so frustrated. That's why he was shaking it
Shannon. Like he was shaking with anger.
Because this is bullshit. Here's my thing.
Like I understand why I met I fully.
But that came in hot. He came in hot.
(22:17):
But I also, I, I don't, I wouldn't be surprised if Matt
was like, Oh yeah, the first time I met Eddie, he seemed
really gay, like, and he would say it and throw it away and not
even think twice about it. Whatever.
I'm not, I'm not bent out of shape about it.
I wish that we were at a point where being gay wasn't an insult
or like any sort of like derogatory connotation to it.
Right. I wish the Gretchen Eddie used
(22:38):
it as used it as a deflection, because that's what she clearly
was doing because it derailed the conversation.
Even Andy was like, you're aboutto land the plane when you get
back to that. And he was like, pissed about
like, are we really going back to like, calling when gay,
right? Like this is so 2012.
I would have really, really, really been OK had Matt said
yeah. I said that because when I met.
Him. I don't think he said that.
(22:58):
Even if he did. I don't believe it.
I don't believe a fucking word that comes out of Gretchen's
mouth, I think. He did, I think he I think he
said it because he did follow upand try to defend right.
I because you just told me that you walked in on him having sex
with another man sometime. Or someone said that or some
bullshit. So still I don't.
Believe. I think it's totally stupid.
It's dumb that it even came up but.
(23:20):
She used it as a flexion, right?That's all we need to say.
And I think had Matt said So what?
What's that? Happening.
I don't even worry about that. That's bullshit.
I don't care about it. Yeah, I don't care because she's
using it as a flexion. And she's just because she knows
that he knows the truth, right? That this is the conversation
they had with him as Slate. And so there was there was many
text messages and that's many phone calls.
That's the other part and we mentioned earlier, I mentioned
(23:42):
earlier is that they're also hanging their hat on.
We never said hold the line. That's your thing.
And so they're going to do this whole damn legalese thing.
If we'd ever said that, it's like, no, you may have not said
the words hold the line, but everything about your message
was back Gretchen up. Don't stray from the story that
we've already been spinning. And that's what gets Gretchen
(24:06):
the ability to say we never saidthat.
And as long as long as that exists on reality TV where
that's where Andy could step in and say, did you say anything
like that did and ask the questions like you may not have
said those. Any did say like if this had
happened, you would have been saying it everywhere, that that
Tamara drugged you. You would not want to be on a
(24:28):
cast with someone who drugged you, he started.
Defending her that's. That's what's well he makes.
It's a valid point. She would say that, but that's
why what it didn't happen. She was not drugged.
She'd not go to the hospital. But yes, she said it to Katie
and Matt 100%. And I still I.
That's what he should have discerned.
Like you would have gone and like said from here to heaven
(24:50):
would have called the police. The Tamra judge struck me.
It didn't happen. But you wanted to throw this out
there for some suspicion to turnKatie and Matt against Tamra and
your campaign to get on the show.
So it'll be the three of them against and they would get
everyone else in. And finally, Gretchen would have
a revenge that she's been waiting for since 2015, like
(25:12):
actually earlier to have. Yeah, no, I you're.
Right. Shit.
Yeah. I, I, Yeah, I, I have no follow
up with that. Yeah.
So it's it's just really just bugged me and how she wouldn't
kept interrupting him and wouldn't let him, you know,
actually say this is what happened.
I was there. You weren't on the phone with
(25:32):
Slade. I was there.
I am telling the truth here. I am not a liar.
Like I hate said some snarky things, but I am not a liar.
So I believe Matt, I believe Katie in this respect.
I am so over that entire freaking couch from Jen to Emily
to Shannon to Gretchen. They could just go scratch.
(25:54):
Like it's just so bugs me. Like that's really the three.
You just bugged me. Like I just, I'm irritated.
Yeah, I, I wish Tamara had handled things differently
throughout the course season. I think she was performing a
little too hard trying to keep her orange or you know.
(26:15):
I think it was a support. I think she was spinning out and
she just didn't have a hold of herself and like was just being
really too irrational and neededto get a hold of herself.
OK, Yeah, that makes sense. Because I think had she been a
little bit more I think herself and a little less producey and I
think just a little bit more, you know, just sticking to the
truth and the facts without trying to like Gil de Lily, so
(26:38):
to speak, and embellish everything.
I think she would have proven her points much better.
And instead she's like gotten caught up in this muck, admire
of, you know, the whole single white femaling of Jen and all
these different elements that she's trying to like.
And the quitting of all and whatnot.
If it's like Kylie said, if Gretchen it's coming clean and
(26:58):
not relying on stuff from the past.
If Tamara just ignored Gretchen,you know, if if she had just
been like, whatever, Jen, yeah, she just it wasn't her best
moments, but were not for for Tamara and Katie.
What will the season have been about?
Had Gretch had Katie, sorry, hadTamara actually quit in New
(27:18):
Orleans, what will the season have been about?
What would they have done? Yeah.
Like. I mean, I'm sure they would have
found something boring to talk about.
There's no drama. Like, I mean when they flipped
on Shannon and they're like had an intervention they would have
gotten to. The Prov with Heather.
They would have gotten improv with Heather and Heather.
It would be like a whole like, let's try improv and shoot.
(27:39):
Yeah. And she's like, oh, that whole
sorry, going back we forgot about Heather and Gina having
her like let's from now on take because it did happen and it is
real. Heather had a career, has a
career. She's an actually working
actress. Stop making fun of it.
It's not cool. Let's move on.
I saw the Clorox commercial withher, her and Brittany.
(28:00):
Brittany Cartwright. Yeah.
That was that was definitely some acting.
The what we're forgetting about is next episode must they must
bring up the whole social media posts of Gretchen's.
It's that and also it's Tamra allegedly talking to bloggers
and leaking the entire season ofAnd then I went to a lunch with
(28:21):
Katie and then I went to here with there.
Yeah, I just all. The leaks that came out.
There comes a point with me where I just, obviously, I just
don't. I just don't.
I'm tired of people defending Gretchen.
I don't. It's indefensible.
I don't want her on the show. I don't want to hear she's been
good to me. Fuck off.
Yeah, the whole idea, the whole idea of like, and it just
(28:43):
permeates society today in general is just like, I don't
have any problem with like this,that or the other group.
They've never done anything bad to me.
And it's like, I, we shouldn't be, we shouldn't be putting
people's, you know, character orthey're just existence in the
balance of they've never done anything bad to me.
Because that's all about you, and not like the actual person
(29:05):
who's been harmed by the person who was your friend.
Right. And so it's like the whole idea
of like, oh, you know, he, you know, he's gay.
Gay guys like us like, oh, well,they're, they're, you know,
they're not this type of gay or that type of gay and they've
never done anything bad to me. It's like that shouldn't even be
part of the conversation. It should just be like they we
all have a right to exist. So when it gets down to this
(29:27):
whole thing of Gretchen, I don'twant to it's indefensible.
And I just don't think, especially for a show like now,
I get that like Orange County housewives, the show, there's a
conservative element to it and it's supposed to appeal to that.
But Bravo as a whole is a very liberal network and so like for
(29:47):
them to be Co signing this. We have this conversation,
though. It's not that they're liberal.
They focus on people who might be liberal, but they don't.
Bravo doesn't get into politics.It's very rare.
No period. They don't do it.
Like it only happens like once. The blue moon, IE Carol making
it her whole story that one season when Hillary was running
for president. I get it production wise they
(30:08):
don't, but the whole like tilt of their network.
Right, but focusing on gay people doesn't make you liberal.
Now I get that. So just because you have shows
where there are prominent gay people doesn't, yes, you are
progressive, but you don't want to lose your entire audience.
(30:28):
That's why we're not pointing out who's who's Republican and
who's Democrat. You know, they're not focusing
on that because they want everyone to just hate someone or
like someone for who they are, not for who they voted for.
We only get into these details online, right?
Were like taking me like I know so and so is a registered
Democrat. They have now brought that into
(30:49):
Orange County with this whole Gretchen thing and so.
Right, but it depends on what they do with it.
If Gretchen's back, then they don't give a crap about politics
next season and she could come back next season.
She better not come back. I would be really upset if she
comes. Back I really hope.
I was upset that she was coming back period from the day one
(31:11):
they announced. This you used to not even want
to mention her name out last. Exactly because she was like
Beetlejuice. Don't bring her up and she won't
come out. Or shut Candyman.
Both. Slade is Candyman, she is
Beetlejuice and they brought, we've said them their names many
a time and now here. I, I tend to believe that they
won't bring her back only because I think they brought
(31:34):
Alexis one season, I think they brought Gretchen one season.
I think for season 20, they're gonna bring Vicki back now.
And I think they're gonna make that happen and see if that
sticks. And I think that'll just be the,
you know, kind of we've gone down memory lane and now we're
done with it. We're going to move on from.
There like aside from the whole the the posts on social media, I
(31:55):
think just the fact that Gretchen didn't bring anything
new. It was focusing on things from
years ago. Old beef just shows she's not
evolving with this show. Why we're not doing season 6 of
OC? It's season 20 of OC.
But it's the same way Alexis wasreally, really beating the whole
John Jansen thing to death. Or at least.
That's right, she also did it for herself.
(32:15):
I loved Alexis but she did herself no favors.
She also has her own worst enemy.
Feel like someone come back to the show and they just don't
know how to like navigate the show right, you know, and it
just. Because they wanted to.
They'd probably feel like it's riding a bike.
And they're like, well, the bikeof his riding was this bike from
15 years ago. And it just makes it a hard
(32:37):
thing to do. Yeah.
It's interesting. Yeah, I think over Alexis had
she just said I'm not going there, Shannon, that's between
you and John. Like I'm not.
Please don't talk about my my fiance, not fiance, my
boyfriend. You know I love him.
I'm sorry I didn't work out withyou, but she was just like, I'm
going to defend like she's goingto the mat for John in a way
(32:58):
that was like, no, you make now.It's all about John and nothing
about you and how you are currently interacting with these
women. And you're also beating up on,
not really, but the island seizure is beating up on someone
who is down and had a DUI and gonna kill people and you know.
Well, that'll be the same thing.I'm sure next season they're
(33:19):
good. They have to be bringing Vicki
back. They might have even been like,
hey Tamara, can you do some social media that makes it look
like this is all happening in real life?
You know, I think that's that's not the network.
That's Tamara saying I want Vicki back.
I want Shannon out. They're not here.
They're not getting rid of Shannon, especially next.
Not next year, right? Maybe the year out.
I mean, I, I think that they're going to have a good 20th
(33:42):
anniversary and make it all, youknow.
Cool, you're actually you're probably right because they want
now that there's been the Teresa*** keep flipping sides about
who they like. So that would be interesting to
see them all back. And so, yes.
Especially if Vicky comes up next year with her, you know,
lips stuck to Tamara's ass. Then Shannon can be like, why
(34:03):
are you being like this? Why, you know, and this, you
know, can be completely freaked out about it.
So it's something. Shannon's completely freaked
about if I freaked out about lighting a life, Yeah.
Yeah, Oh God. So I keep looking behind me to
see like we talk about old ladies, but we don't have them
behind. It I know we should have like.
The sphere. I think so.
(34:24):
We didn't really get much. Emily didn't talk much,
thankfully. No, I was just really annoyed by
her last week. Yeah, just how she treated
Katie. Gina did the Heather thing that
was like, whatever. It's all Heather really had.
Shanna didn't have much. Tamara didn't have to like, tell
her to shut up 10 times. So yeah, I was mainly it was,
but it was Katie and Tamara and Jen and Gretchen.
(34:48):
So if you're in the middle of the couch, we don't want to hear
a friend yet. Something to say next week?
Maybe so. Well, they will when this all
this, yeah. Yeah.
All right, so we have a full dayof Bravo condoms.
We got it there like 9:00 AM. Well 9:30 DJ Meredith goes on
with her set and then. I mean, you got to, you got to
(35:10):
bet we'll be dancing. It's 9:30 in the morning and
we're, we're big dancers, right?Totally.
Look at me dancing. Look at me, I am raising the
roof. So yeah, big old day tomorrow,
we'll maybe we'll pop on some sort of live or something, I
don't know, but. We'll put some content out
(35:30):
there. Yeah, we'll throw some content
and maybe we'll even do like we'll do.
Maybe we'll come back here afterwards, do a recap if we
have time at some. Pass of the day, yeah.
And we'll talk about it next time.
Till next time.
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