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SPEAKER_01 (00:00):
Hello and welcome to the I'm Hormonal podcast.
I'm your host, Bridget Walton, awomen's hormone coach helping
busy, ambitious women throughpersonalized coaching and
science-backed solutions.
If you have troubles with yourhormones, if you were trying to
figure out what is going on withyour period, you are in the
right place, my friend.
(00:21):
Today's episode is going to bepart two of a conversation that
I had with our girl Jen Trape.
You can listen to the first partof our conversation on the
earlier episode that came outthis week.
Would really encourage you tocheck that out first.
It will make the second halfmake a whole lot more sense.
If you haven't yet checked thatout, then you'll want to know
(00:42):
that Jen is a health coach.
She's also a podcaster, and shejust wrote a book called
Uncomplicating Wellness, reallydiving into how you can make
your wellness journeypersonalized to you.
How can you make it work foryou?
What are the strategies to makeit successful?
It's not a step-by-step plan.
(01:03):
She's really clear about that.
It's not a you should do this,you should do that.
It's more of a holistic view athow you can figure out what is
going to work for you and whatis the right mindset that will
also best serve you.
So I hope that you loved thefirst part of this conversation.
Let's just go ahead and jumpright into this second part, and
(01:25):
I will see you on the otherside.
I wanted to assign somesuperlatives to different
wellness trends too, right?
So maybe going from overhyped,that'll be a good segue into um
what wellness trend or habitwould you assign to the
superlative of the hardestwellness trend to kill?
SPEAKER_00 (01:51):
Calories.
Just counting calories.
Eat less, move more, countcalories, calories.
SPEAKER_01 (02:00):
It is easy to do and not actually that helpful for
real life.
It's not how the body works.
Full stop.
Yeah, where did this whole thingstart?
Who decided that they were gonnatell everybody it's calories in,
calories out?
SPEAKER_00 (02:16):
Our doctors.
Um because when you don't thinkabout nutrients and you just
think about um energy, right?
Technically, calorie is a unitof measure of energy.
The part that all of thatignores in eat less move uh move
(02:39):
more is the quality of thecalories matters.
And so the old thinking was ifwe tell people to watch the
calories, they will go towardthe things that are more
nutrient dense versuscalorically dense, but then you
(03:01):
end up in our world of processedfood and every diet fat.
And exactly.
So I, you know, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (03:09):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (03:09):
Calories.
SPEAKER_01 (03:10):
My pick for this one, mine was similar because it
plays in a lot to people tryingto achieve low calorie intake
throughout the day is low fat.
I just, this is one I couldreally shop from the rooftops.
Like we're not gonna be able todo that.
SPEAKER_00 (03:27):
Just that like fat, eating fat means fat on your
body.
It does not.
SPEAKER_01 (03:33):
Does who can we write a letter to so we can like
change the word fat?
One of those words fat, they'resame three letters, two
different things that we'retalking about.
Yeah.
I'll find out who we can write aletter to to get a lot of
different things.
SPEAKER_00 (03:45):
Well, there was so the whole thing about fat
creating cholesterol, you know,was part of, you know, fat is
bad for you.
Was one study that was neverable to be replicated.
And in fact, the same people whodid the study debunked the
study.
SPEAKER_01 (04:01):
Yeah.
What's that book?
Or for anybody listening who'slike, this has just gone against
everything their mom has evertold them.
Um, is it called The Big FatLie?
Did you read that?
SPEAKER_00 (04:11):
No, but that sounds right.
And then um I'll have to thinkof it too.
But there's a I'm like lookingat my bookcase.
I'm like, is it here?
No.
Um.
But that I think that they dotalk about it in the Big Fat Lie
also.
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (04:28):
Yeah.
Regardless, there are resourcesout there to learn more.
But overall hardness, wellness,trends to kill um counting
calories and low fat.
All right.
What for this next one?
Like, what is the gateway drugto wellness?
Like, what is the trend or habitthat you feel like a lot of
people start with and that endsup like getting them right into,
(04:52):
you know, other trends for goodor for, you know, bad.
But anyway, what's what's thegateway drug to wellness?
SPEAKER_00 (05:00):
I actually think it's group fitness.
Are you a group fitness gal?
I am.
Same.
Um, but the reason why I say, doyou remember the movie, or did
you ever see the movie BritneyRuns a Marathon?
No.
So highly recommend.
Everybody go watch Britney Runsa Marathon.
But essentially, she decides totrain for this marathon.
(05:23):
And inevitably, what happensover time is that then she's
like, wait, I get a better runwhen I don't stay up late.
I have a better run when I don'tdrink as much.
But I feel better when.
And it snowballs into all ofthese other things.
Um and I think it's a piece thatpeople feel more accessible.
(05:50):
Like I think there's tooconfusing of information around
nutrition that I don't thinkthat's where people start and
have it snowball in the same waythat somebody who starts with um
group fitness ends upgravitating toward the people
that they work out with and thenall the other things.
SPEAKER_01 (06:09):
Yeah, I love that.
I had a similar train ofthought, um, but mine was
cutting out alcohol.
I think once you like minimizeor eliminate alcohol and you're
like, wow, I can like feelbetter just by doing nothing, by
sleep, I have more time tosleep.
I can go do all of these things.
You're changing your, you know,pattern throughout the day.
(06:29):
I think that's a good, you know,gateway to getting into all the
other good things that are outthere.
What is the one habit or trendor wellness thing that you would
uh consider to be your desertisland essential?
You're on a desert island, youcan bring like one thing.
What is it?
(06:49):
I mean, I'm like food.
Is that yeah?
It is like, are we trying tosurvive here or are we trying to
like bring there's no wronganswers.
What's your favorite food?
What food do you want to bringin?
SPEAKER_00 (07:00):
Oh man.
Well, my podcast is called saladwith a side of fries.
I almost called it French friesand cookie dough because those
are two foods that I will nevergive up.
Um I'm also a total peanutbutter junkie.
I I mean, there's a lot inthere.
But there's a lot?
(07:21):
Yeah.
But then I was thinking too, wasthis question about a wellness
trend I want to send to a desertisland or what I'm getting with
me to a desert island?
SPEAKER_01 (07:31):
You know, there literally are no rules here, so
we can do both.
If you have one top of mind thatyou want to send to an island
and never let it come back, thenlet us know.
SPEAKER_00 (07:40):
So the reason why I thought about it, because that
was my thing or fat is theenemy.
Send that to a desert island,never to come back.
SPEAKER_01 (07:48):
It's gone.
Out of here.
Out of here.
Um, this will be the fourth andfinal superlative, but what like
wellness trend or habit?
Wait, what's your desert island?
Oh, yeah, I didn't even say it.
I, you know, I was thinking likemagnesium.
I thought, oh, if I'm on anisland, I'm probably gonna be a
little bit stressed out.
(08:09):
I probably want to sleep better.
I don't know.
I just thought I love magnesium.
I think I'm taking magnesium.
Maybe if I can sneak in amultivitamin.
SPEAKER_00 (08:18):
I'm with you.
I'm with you.
SPEAKER_01 (08:19):
Yeah.
I don't know if I'm gonna beeating a lot of fruits on this
random island.
But okay.
So then look at the biggestglow-up.
What's top of mind for you?
SPEAKER_00 (08:30):
Well, I'm conflicted because if it's a glow-up I'm on
board with, or a glow up that'sjust there that like Oh gosh.
SPEAKER_01 (08:40):
Okay, let's start with the one that's just there
that you're not enthusiasticabout.
Fasting.
SPEAKER_00 (08:46):
Yeah.
And I say that with a caveat.
Um I'm not the biggest fan ofintermittent fasting for women
or for those with metabolichealth challenges.
Um I like it better for men thanwomen, blah, blah, blah.
Also, 100% fasting is what a lotof people just decide to call
(09:10):
when they forget to eat, andthey're like, oh, well, I'll
just call it fasting.
That's not how this works.
Um if somebody is reallyinterested in the cellular
health benefits of fasting andsome of those kinds of things.
I'm a fan of like a three-dayfast a couple times a year.
Um, but even with that, whatfrustrates me is that it's
(09:32):
people are on board with itfeeling like it's going to be
this miracle and this cure-alland this thing that you know is
the answer to everything.
And it's just not.
You cannot bio Yeah, and youcannot biohack your way out of
(09:53):
your everyday life.
SPEAKER_01 (09:56):
I like that one.
I I don't know if I feel aspassionately about it as you do,
but it I definitely I get a lotof questions about that.
And it and it is something whereif you're not feeling very well,
yeah, then you need to reallytalk to somebody or I don't
know, find the smart side ofyour AI tool to really like
(10:17):
think of the pros and cons andhow this applies to you.
So love that.
What is the good glow-up thatyou've that you want to shout
out?
SPEAKER_00 (10:27):
So I think it's menopause, perimenopause.
There and there's pros and consto all of it, right?
Like there's never been moreconversation about it than now,
which is the part that I love.
And sometimes that's also evenmore confusing for people.
(10:47):
But I do think there's a glow upthere in terms of understanding
and prioritizing understandingthis phase of life.
And an extension to that thatI'm hoping for is around birth
control.
Yeah.
(11:08):
Um, and I believe, like I'm amillennial, I think we are all
experiencing perimenopausesymptoms even earlier because of
how much time many of us spenton birth control.
That's my theory.
That's not proper research.
That's me.
Like, I have a lot of my owntheory.
I mean, I'm big intounderstanding.
(11:28):
And I will tell you whensomething is my own theory.
That's my own theory.
SPEAKER_01 (11:32):
Yeah.
No, that will be interesting tosee what happens, what studies
come out X number of years fromnow about it.
Um I think we could probably dolike an entire podcast series
about birth control.
SPEAKER_00 (11:45):
I did a two-part series a couple years ago on it.
Uh, everybody go back and listento that.
It's yeah, the more I learn, themore frustrated I am.
SPEAKER_01 (11:58):
I'll put a link to it in the show notes so they can
find it real easy.
Let's just transition into a uhthis Kiss Mary Kill sequence.
Um, no wrong answers.
We'll just hear like what areyour thoughts on it?
So um, for this first one, wehave the medical system, the
insurance system, and mediaportrayal of wellness.
(12:21):
Oh I know, yeah.
It's uh it's not the dreamlineup, but I'm interested to
hear like how you I amdefinitely killing insurance.
SPEAKER_00 (12:35):
Dead.
Consider it dead.
I will kiss the medical systembecause I think that there is
tremendous like what we've beenable to learn and discover and
treat and cure is miraculous.
Um and I will marry the mediabecause of those, it's the
(13:03):
easiest to change theconversation.
SPEAKER_01 (13:05):
Hmm, okay.
I love that because that, well,from a second, uh, a separate
game section, I wanted to askyou, and maybe I'll just do it
quickly, like, because in yourbook you mentioned that you know
the diet industry is what, like70 billion plus?
I forgot I didn't write it downexactly.
Uh but billions of dollars.
So many, you can buy so manyChipotle breatables with that.
(13:27):
Um so I wanted to ask you, like,do you think, are you optimistic
or pessimistic?
Do you think that the mainstreamlike diet or wellness or health
industry can improve to be whatpeople actually need to support
their best health?
Or do you think it'll always bemore like really profit first
(13:48):
and not be able to evolve towhere we as human beings need
it?
SPEAKER_00 (13:53):
So it's interesting you asked this question because
I was thinking about thisearlier for a social media thing
that, you know, I feel like Ineed to rant about this.
So forgive me for a hot second.
No, it's just um I am acapitalist.
I went to business school and Ithink the capitalistic piece is
what will save this.
(14:16):
The the issue is in how we havethe carrots and the sticks.
So right now, like I love howmuch attention there is on food
additives.
And the amount of time, effort,and energy it took to get one
(14:38):
food additive removed from ourfood system, we will not live
long enough to fix our foodsupply in that way.
So to me, if we go back tounderstanding profit and
capitalism, then what we need todo, we are one of the handful of
(15:00):
countries in the world where thehealthy foods are the expensive
foods.
We need to subsidize thehealthful foods.
We need to make it easier andless expensive.
We need to tax the highlyprocessed foods.
We need to tax every sugar andsugar substitute that you put in
something.
We need to add fees for everyingredient that you want to put
(15:20):
in there for more for everydegree it comes from nature,
right?
If it's further away fromnature, it is more expensive.
We need to completely overhaulhow our meat is processed such
that it is less expensive to doless to the food.
So that so to me, it's theanswer is what everybody thinks
(15:45):
is the problem.
And that's part of why we arenot making the progress that we
need.
SPEAKER_01 (15:51):
Okay, you've really inspired me because my answer to
this that I have me pessimistic.
But now I'm feeling a little bitbetter.
You know, I never thought about,you know, taxing a certain, I
don't know how me, hormonecoach, I don't know how that
would work in real life in thegovernment, but that is a really
interesting thought of yeah, howprocessed or not is something.
(16:13):
And like, how do we make thatmore or less accessible from
that and the subsidiesperspective?
I really think.
SPEAKER_00 (16:20):
Yeah, and the reason why all the food companies are
drawn to all of these wildingredients is because they're
less expensive.
They make the food last longer,they achieve all of these
objectives that they arerewarded for.
We have to switch that rewardsystem.
Interesting.
SPEAKER_01 (16:36):
Okay.
All right.
I'm glad that that was alreadyon your mind.
I really liked hearing that.
I might have to ask you for thatclip, Sylvie.
Let's um come back to the muchuh less consequential uh next
kiss, Mary, kill of love it.
Cold plunges, food guilt, andcheat meals.
SPEAKER_00 (16:57):
Oh I'm gonna marry a cold plunge.
I do love it.
I'm just gonna say there'snuance to that also for all my
ladies.
There's nuance to the coldplunge, and you will not cold
plunge your way to health.
It has its place.
I love them, but it is not goingto undo every other piece of our
(17:19):
lives.
Um so I love me the cold plunge.
We're gonna get married.
What were my other two?
SPEAKER_01 (17:24):
Perfect.
You um have the opportunity tokiss or kill food guilt and
cheat meals.
Which kind of go hand in handnow that I'm saying them out
loud to you, but anyway.
SPEAKER_00 (17:40):
I really want to kill them both.
This is very difficult.
I don't know.
I'm gonna tell you my rationaleand then you can tell me which
one fits for which, okay?
Perfect.
My answer to how to cheat is toremove the word from your
vocabulary.
The more you identify with acheat meal or a cheat day or any
(18:01):
of those things, it is the sameon, off, good, bad, black, white
of food.
Full stop.
Guilt is not an ingredient.
I believe guilt shows up when wedon't keep the commitments that
we make to ourselves.
(18:23):
So by that token, maybe I amkilling the cheat meal and
kissing the guilt because Ithink we can learn more from the
guilt and learn to transform itand not have it be part of our
life than the cheat meal.
SPEAKER_01 (18:42):
I like it.
I think um yes, and based onyour rationale, I think that
makes sense.
Okay.
Getting rid of the guilt is alsolike a byproduct, I guess, of
killing the cheat meals.
So that is a little two birds,one stone kind of option.
SPEAKER_00 (18:56):
Yes.
unknown (18:57):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (18:58):
Next, kiss mary kill.
You've got the carnivore diet, avegan diet, or a keto diet.
I can't kill them all.
No, no, unfortunately, just one.
But which one is which one doyou think is like the least
worthy of consideration?
SPEAKER_00 (19:17):
Carnivore diet, I'm killing.
100%.
Keto diet, I will kiss becauseshort periods of time,
occasionally, it serves apurpose.
Please don't marry keto and tryto live in that forever.
Um, I will marry vegan, althoughit depends what your vegan looks
(19:40):
like.
But I think there is morebenefit from more plants than
from any of those other options.
SPEAKER_01 (19:50):
Beautiful.
I would do the same thing.
I would do the same thing.
I think um I talked about thisrecently too, actually, on an
episode about carnivore diet.
But I think people love the ideaof it because you can get rid of
inflammation, you can like feelbetter sooner, but it's not a
long-term game.
SPEAKER_00 (20:11):
Or if there's similar to keto, where like for
a finite period of time, itcarnivores essentially an
elimination diet.
If you start to put it in thatcategory, then it has its place.
And we maybe do this for aperiod of time for a specific
reason, not till the end oftime, not forever.
SPEAKER_01 (20:31):
Perfect.
Okay.
We are well aligned.
We are well aligned there.
What is the one health topic orrule like that all of your
friends, all of your family knowyou for that you'll you can't
help but bring it up?
And they're like, Yeah, yeah,Jen, we got it.
What's that one thing for youwith your people?
SPEAKER_00 (20:48):
Protein and fiber at every meal makes removing fat,
no big deal.
I say it all the time in mypodcast, everywhere.
It's become the thing thatpeople know me for.
Protein and fiber at every mealmakes removing fat, no big deal.
SPEAKER_01 (21:00):
Perfect.
I'm gonna get that bumpersticker.
SPEAKER_00 (21:02):
I will uh I'll send you one once I've gone.
I do have a magnet in my merchstore that says protein and
fiber.
So, you know.
SPEAKER_01 (21:09):
Perfect.
Perfect.
That was actually one of the oneof the games I put together was
uh rental car bumper stickersthat you would least prefer to
have, but we'll have to savethat for, you know, round two, I
guess.
I love that.
Um, this has been really fun.
This was a lot longer than weexpected, but this is really fun
talking through things.
I hope this is helpful for thelisteners to just hear different
(21:30):
ways to think through certainaspects of wellness and health.
And um, yeah, how can folksconnect with you from here?
SPEAKER_00 (21:37):
Absolutely.
Um, all social media.
I am at Jet and Trapic,J-E-N-N-T-R-E-P-E-C-K.
Website is a salad with the sideof fries.com.
Pick your platform, send me amessage.
I truly love hearing from you onmy website.
I have a free download for youcalled It's Not What to Eat,
it's how to eat.
And the book, UncomplicatingWellness, is available wherever
(21:59):
books are sold.
Of course, you could also go tothe website and click through
there to find it too.
SPEAKER_01 (22:04):
All right, my friend, that is it for this
episode, where I just finishedup my conversation with Jen.
I hope that you loved listeningto this conversation.
I hope you had some interestinginsights.
I hope that it challenged you tothink about, you know, how you
would rank certain priorities orcertain uh decisions that you
(22:25):
make about your health.
So if this episode resonatedwith you, if you liked listening
to it, share it with a friend.
Check out Jen's book.
You'll see all the links so youcan connect with her and learn
more about uncomplicatingwellness in the show notes.
And that's it.
That's what I've got for youtoday.
I want to say thank you so muchfor listening.
(22:46):
I really love doing theseinterviews and putting together
these episodes for you all.
And of course, it wouldn'treally be so joyous for me if
nobody was listening.
So thank you for being here,especially for those of you who
have stayed and listened all theway through the end.
And I will see you on the nextone real soon.
Hello and welcome to the I'm Hormonal podcast.
I'm your host, Bridget Walton, awomen's hormone coach helping
busy, ambitious women throughpersonalized coaching and
science-backed solutions.
If you have troubles with yourhormones, if you were trying to
figure out what is going on withyour period, you are in the
right place, my friend.
(00:21):
Today's episode is going to bepart two of a conversation that
I had with our girl Jen Trape.
You can listen to the first partof our conversation on the
earlier episode that came outthis week.
Would really encourage you tocheck that out first.
It will make the second halfmake a whole lot more sense.
If you haven't yet checked thatout, then you'll want to know
(00:42):
that Jen is a health coach.
She's also a podcaster, and shejust wrote a book called
Uncomplicating Wellness, reallydiving into how you can make
your wellness journeypersonalized to you.
How can you make it work foryou?
What are the strategies to makeit successful?
It's not a step-by-step plan.
(01:03):
She's really clear about that.
It's not a you should do this,you should do that.
It's more of a holistic view athow you can figure out what is
going to work for you and whatis the right mindset that will
also best serve you.
So I hope that you loved thefirst part of this conversation.
Let's just go ahead and jumpright into this second part, and
(01:25):
I will see you on the otherside.
I wanted to assign somesuperlatives to different
wellness trends too, right?
So maybe going from overhyped,that'll be a good segue into um
what wellness trend or habitwould you assign to the
superlative of the hardestwellness trend to kill?
SPEAKER_00 (01:51):
Calories.
Just counting calories.
Eat less, move more, countcalories, calories.
SPEAKER_01 (02:00):
It is easy to do and not actually that helpful for
real life.
It's not how the body works.
Full stop.
Yeah, where did this whole thingstart?
Who decided that they were gonnatell everybody it's calories in,
calories out?
SPEAKER_00 (02:16):
Our doctors.
Um because when you don't thinkabout nutrients and you just
think about um energy, right?
Technically, calorie is a unitof measure of energy.
The part that all of thatignores in eat less move uh move
(02:39):
more is the quality of thecalories matters.
And so the old thinking was ifwe tell people to watch the
calories, they will go towardthe things that are more
nutrient dense versuscalorically dense, but then you
(03:01):
end up in our world of processedfood and every diet fat.
And exactly.
So I, you know, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (03:09):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (03:09):
Calories.
SPEAKER_01 (03:10):
My pick for this one, mine was similar because it
plays in a lot to people tryingto achieve low calorie intake
throughout the day is low fat.
I just, this is one I couldreally shop from the rooftops.
Like we're not gonna be able todo that.
SPEAKER_00 (03:27):
Just that like fat, eating fat means fat on your
body.
It does not.
SPEAKER_01 (03:33):
Does who can we write a letter to so we can like
change the word fat?
One of those words fat, they'resame three letters, two
different things that we'retalking about.
Yeah.
I'll find out who we can write aletter to to get a lot of
different things.
SPEAKER_00 (03:45):
Well, there was so the whole thing about fat
creating cholesterol, you know,was part of, you know, fat is
bad for you.
Was one study that was neverable to be replicated.
And in fact, the same people whodid the study debunked the
study.
SPEAKER_01 (04:01):
Yeah.
What's that book?
Or for anybody listening who'slike, this has just gone against
everything their mom has evertold them.
Um, is it called The Big FatLie?
Did you read that?
SPEAKER_00 (04:11):
No, but that sounds right.
And then um I'll have to thinkof it too.
But there's a I'm like lookingat my bookcase.
I'm like, is it here?
No.
Um.
But that I think that they dotalk about it in the Big Fat Lie
also.
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (04:28):
Yeah.
Regardless, there are resourcesout there to learn more.
But overall hardness, wellness,trends to kill um counting
calories and low fat.
All right.
What for this next one?
Like, what is the gateway drugto wellness?
Like, what is the trend or habitthat you feel like a lot of
people start with and that endsup like getting them right into,
(04:52):
you know, other trends for goodor for, you know, bad.
But anyway, what's what's thegateway drug to wellness?
SPEAKER_00 (05:00):
I actually think it's group fitness.
Are you a group fitness gal?
I am.
Same.
Um, but the reason why I say, doyou remember the movie, or did
you ever see the movie BritneyRuns a Marathon?
No.
So highly recommend.
Everybody go watch Britney Runsa Marathon.
But essentially, she decides totrain for this marathon.
(05:23):
And inevitably, what happensover time is that then she's
like, wait, I get a better runwhen I don't stay up late.
I have a better run when I don'tdrink as much.
But I feel better when.
And it snowballs into all ofthese other things.
Um and I think it's a piece thatpeople feel more accessible.
(05:50):
Like I think there's tooconfusing of information around
nutrition that I don't thinkthat's where people start and
have it snowball in the same waythat somebody who starts with um
group fitness ends upgravitating toward the people
that they work out with and thenall the other things.
SPEAKER_01 (06:09):
Yeah, I love that.
I had a similar train ofthought, um, but mine was
cutting out alcohol.
I think once you like minimizeor eliminate alcohol and you're
like, wow, I can like feelbetter just by doing nothing, by
sleep, I have more time tosleep.
I can go do all of these things.
You're changing your, you know,pattern throughout the day.
(06:29):
I think that's a good, you know,gateway to getting into all the
other good things that are outthere.
What is the one habit or trendor wellness thing that you would
uh consider to be your desertisland essential?
You're on a desert island, youcan bring like one thing.
What is it?
(06:49):
I mean, I'm like food.
Is that yeah?
It is like, are we trying tosurvive here or are we trying to
like bring there's no wronganswers.
What's your favorite food?
What food do you want to bringin?
SPEAKER_00 (07:00):
Oh man.
Well, my podcast is called saladwith a side of fries.
I almost called it French friesand cookie dough because those
are two foods that I will nevergive up.
Um I'm also a total peanutbutter junkie.
I I mean, there's a lot inthere.
But there's a lot?
(07:21):
Yeah.
But then I was thinking too, wasthis question about a wellness
trend I want to send to a desertisland or what I'm getting with
me to a desert island?
SPEAKER_01 (07:31):
You know, there literally are no rules here, so
we can do both.
If you have one top of mind thatyou want to send to an island
and never let it come back, thenlet us know.
SPEAKER_00 (07:40):
So the reason why I thought about it, because that
was my thing or fat is theenemy.
Send that to a desert island,never to come back.
SPEAKER_01 (07:48):
It's gone.
Out of here.
Out of here.
Um, this will be the fourth andfinal superlative, but what like
wellness trend or habit?
Wait, what's your desert island?
Oh, yeah, I didn't even say it.
I, you know, I was thinking likemagnesium.
I thought, oh, if I'm on anisland, I'm probably gonna be a
little bit stressed out.
(08:09):
I probably want to sleep better.
I don't know.
I just thought I love magnesium.
I think I'm taking magnesium.
Maybe if I can sneak in amultivitamin.
SPEAKER_00 (08:18):
I'm with you.
I'm with you.
SPEAKER_01 (08:19):
Yeah.
I don't know if I'm gonna beeating a lot of fruits on this
random island.
But okay.
So then look at the biggestglow-up.
What's top of mind for you?
SPEAKER_00 (08:30):
Well, I'm conflicted because if it's a glow-up I'm on
board with, or a glow up that'sjust there that like Oh gosh.
SPEAKER_01 (08:40):
Okay, let's start with the one that's just there
that you're not enthusiasticabout.
Fasting.
SPEAKER_00 (08:46):
Yeah.
And I say that with a caveat.
Um I'm not the biggest fan ofintermittent fasting for women
or for those with metabolichealth challenges.
Um I like it better for men thanwomen, blah, blah, blah.
Also, 100% fasting is what a lotof people just decide to call
(09:10):
when they forget to eat, andthey're like, oh, well, I'll
just call it fasting.
That's not how this works.
Um if somebody is reallyinterested in the cellular
health benefits of fasting andsome of those kinds of things.
I'm a fan of like a three-dayfast a couple times a year.
Um, but even with that, whatfrustrates me is that it's
(09:32):
people are on board with itfeeling like it's going to be
this miracle and this cure-alland this thing that you know is
the answer to everything.
And it's just not.
You cannot bio Yeah, and youcannot biohack your way out of
(09:53):
your everyday life.
SPEAKER_01 (09:56):
I like that one.
I I don't know if I feel aspassionately about it as you do,
but it I definitely I get a lotof questions about that.
And it and it is something whereif you're not feeling very well,
yeah, then you need to reallytalk to somebody or I don't
know, find the smart side ofyour AI tool to really like
(10:17):
think of the pros and cons andhow this applies to you.
So love that.
What is the good glow-up thatyou've that you want to shout
out?
SPEAKER_00 (10:27):
So I think it's menopause, perimenopause.
There and there's pros and consto all of it, right?
Like there's never been moreconversation about it than now,
which is the part that I love.
And sometimes that's also evenmore confusing for people.
(10:47):
But I do think there's a glow upthere in terms of understanding
and prioritizing understandingthis phase of life.
And an extension to that thatI'm hoping for is around birth
control.
Yeah.
(11:08):
Um, and I believe, like I'm amillennial, I think we are all
experiencing perimenopausesymptoms even earlier because of
how much time many of us spenton birth control.
That's my theory.
That's not proper research.
That's me.
Like, I have a lot of my owntheory.
I mean, I'm big intounderstanding.
(11:28):
And I will tell you whensomething is my own theory.
That's my own theory.
SPEAKER_01 (11:32):
Yeah.
No, that will be interesting tosee what happens, what studies
come out X number of years fromnow about it.
Um I think we could probably dolike an entire podcast series
about birth control.
SPEAKER_00 (11:45):
I did a two-part series a couple years ago on it.
Uh, everybody go back and listento that.
It's yeah, the more I learn, themore frustrated I am.
SPEAKER_01 (11:58):
I'll put a link to it in the show notes so they can
find it real easy.
Let's just transition into a uhthis Kiss Mary Kill sequence.
Um, no wrong answers.
We'll just hear like what areyour thoughts on it?
So um, for this first one, wehave the medical system, the
insurance system, and mediaportrayal of wellness.
(12:21):
Oh I know, yeah.
It's uh it's not the dreamlineup, but I'm interested to
hear like how you I amdefinitely killing insurance.
SPEAKER_00 (12:35):
Dead.
Consider it dead.
I will kiss the medical systembecause I think that there is
tremendous like what we've beenable to learn and discover and
treat and cure is miraculous.
Um and I will marry the mediabecause of those, it's the
(13:03):
easiest to change theconversation.
SPEAKER_01 (13:05):
Hmm, okay.
I love that because that, well,from a second, uh, a separate
game section, I wanted to askyou, and maybe I'll just do it
quickly, like, because in yourbook you mentioned that you know
the diet industry is what, like70 billion plus?
I forgot I didn't write it downexactly.
Uh but billions of dollars.
So many, you can buy so manyChipotle breatables with that.
(13:27):
Um so I wanted to ask you, like,do you think, are you optimistic
or pessimistic?
Do you think that the mainstreamlike diet or wellness or health
industry can improve to be whatpeople actually need to support
their best health?
Or do you think it'll always bemore like really profit first
(13:48):
and not be able to evolve towhere we as human beings need
it?
SPEAKER_00 (13:53):
So it's interesting you asked this question because
I was thinking about thisearlier for a social media thing
that, you know, I feel like Ineed to rant about this.
So forgive me for a hot second.
No, it's just um I am acapitalist.
I went to business school and Ithink the capitalistic piece is
what will save this.
(14:16):
The the issue is in how we havethe carrots and the sticks.
So right now, like I love howmuch attention there is on food
additives.
And the amount of time, effort,and energy it took to get one
(14:38):
food additive removed from ourfood system, we will not live
long enough to fix our foodsupply in that way.
So to me, if we go back tounderstanding profit and
capitalism, then what we need todo, we are one of the handful of
(15:00):
countries in the world where thehealthy foods are the expensive
foods.
We need to subsidize thehealthful foods.
We need to make it easier andless expensive.
We need to tax the highlyprocessed foods.
We need to tax every sugar andsugar substitute that you put in
something.
We need to add fees for everyingredient that you want to put
(15:20):
in there for more for everydegree it comes from nature,
right?
If it's further away fromnature, it is more expensive.
We need to completely overhaulhow our meat is processed such
that it is less expensive to doless to the food.
So that so to me, it's theanswer is what everybody thinks
(15:45):
is the problem.
And that's part of why we arenot making the progress that we
need.
SPEAKER_01 (15:51):
Okay, you've really inspired me because my answer to
this that I have me pessimistic.
But now I'm feeling a little bitbetter.
You know, I never thought about,you know, taxing a certain, I
don't know how me, hormonecoach, I don't know how that
would work in real life in thegovernment, but that is a really
interesting thought of yeah, howprocessed or not is something.
(16:13):
And like, how do we make thatmore or less accessible from
that and the subsidiesperspective?
I really think.
SPEAKER_00 (16:20):
Yeah, and the reason why all the food companies are
drawn to all of these wildingredients is because they're
less expensive.
They make the food last longer,they achieve all of these
objectives that they arerewarded for.
We have to switch that rewardsystem.
Interesting.
SPEAKER_01 (16:36):
Okay.
All right.
I'm glad that that was alreadyon your mind.
I really liked hearing that.
I might have to ask you for thatclip, Sylvie.
Let's um come back to the muchuh less consequential uh next
kiss, Mary, kill of love it.
Cold plunges, food guilt, andcheat meals.
SPEAKER_00 (16:57):
Oh I'm gonna marry a cold plunge.
I do love it.
I'm just gonna say there'snuance to that also for all my
ladies.
There's nuance to the coldplunge, and you will not cold
plunge your way to health.
It has its place.
I love them, but it is not goingto undo every other piece of our
(17:19):
lives.
Um so I love me the cold plunge.
We're gonna get married.
What were my other two?
SPEAKER_01 (17:24):
Perfect.
You um have the opportunity tokiss or kill food guilt and
cheat meals.
Which kind of go hand in handnow that I'm saying them out
loud to you, but anyway.
SPEAKER_00 (17:40):
I really want to kill them both.
This is very difficult.
I don't know.
I'm gonna tell you my rationaleand then you can tell me which
one fits for which, okay?
Perfect.
My answer to how to cheat is toremove the word from your
vocabulary.
The more you identify with acheat meal or a cheat day or any
(18:01):
of those things, it is the sameon, off, good, bad, black, white
of food.
Full stop.
Guilt is not an ingredient.
I believe guilt shows up when wedon't keep the commitments that
we make to ourselves.
(18:23):
So by that token, maybe I amkilling the cheat meal and
kissing the guilt because Ithink we can learn more from the
guilt and learn to transform itand not have it be part of our
life than the cheat meal.
SPEAKER_01 (18:42):
I like it.
I think um yes, and based onyour rationale, I think that
makes sense.
Okay.
Getting rid of the guilt is alsolike a byproduct, I guess, of
killing the cheat meals.
So that is a little two birds,one stone kind of option.
SPEAKER_00 (18:56):
Yes.
unknown (18:57):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (18:58):
Next, kiss mary kill.
You've got the carnivore diet, avegan diet, or a keto diet.
I can't kill them all.
No, no, unfortunately, just one.
But which one is which one doyou think is like the least
worthy of consideration?
SPEAKER_00 (19:17):
Carnivore diet, I'm killing.
100%.
Keto diet, I will kiss becauseshort periods of time,
occasionally, it serves apurpose.
Please don't marry keto and tryto live in that forever.
Um, I will marry vegan, althoughit depends what your vegan looks
(19:40):
like.
But I think there is morebenefit from more plants than
from any of those other options.
SPEAKER_01 (19:50):
Beautiful.
I would do the same thing.
I would do the same thing.
I think um I talked about thisrecently too, actually, on an
episode about carnivore diet.
But I think people love the ideaof it because you can get rid of
inflammation, you can like feelbetter sooner, but it's not a
long-term game.
SPEAKER_00 (20:11):
Or if there's similar to keto, where like for
a finite period of time, itcarnivores essentially an
elimination diet.
If you start to put it in thatcategory, then it has its place.
And we maybe do this for aperiod of time for a specific
reason, not till the end oftime, not forever.
SPEAKER_01 (20:31):
Perfect.
Okay.
We are well aligned.
We are well aligned there.
What is the one health topic orrule like that all of your
friends, all of your family knowyou for that you'll you can't
help but bring it up?
And they're like, Yeah, yeah,Jen, we got it.
What's that one thing for youwith your people?
SPEAKER_00 (20:48):
Protein and fiber at every meal makes removing fat,
no big deal.
I say it all the time in mypodcast, everywhere.
It's become the thing thatpeople know me for.
Protein and fiber at every mealmakes removing fat, no big deal.
SPEAKER_01 (21:00):
Perfect.
I'm gonna get that bumpersticker.
SPEAKER_00 (21:02):
I will uh I'll send you one once I've gone.
I do have a magnet in my merchstore that says protein and
fiber.
So, you know.
SPEAKER_01 (21:09):
Perfect.
Perfect.
That was actually one of the oneof the games I put together was
uh rental car bumper stickersthat you would least prefer to
have, but we'll have to savethat for, you know, round two, I
guess.
I love that.
Um, this has been really fun.
This was a lot longer than weexpected, but this is really fun
talking through things.
I hope this is helpful for thelisteners to just hear different
(21:30):
ways to think through certainaspects of wellness and health.
And um, yeah, how can folksconnect with you from here?
SPEAKER_00 (21:37):
Absolutely.
Um, all social media.
I am at Jet and Trapic,J-E-N-N-T-R-E-P-E-C-K.
Website is a salad with the sideof fries.com.
Pick your platform, send me amessage.
I truly love hearing from you onmy website.
I have a free download for youcalled It's Not What to Eat,
it's how to eat.
And the book, UncomplicatingWellness, is available wherever
(21:59):
books are sold.
Of course, you could also go tothe website and click through
there to find it too.
SPEAKER_01 (22:04):
All right, my friend, that is it for this
episode, where I just finishedup my conversation with Jen.
I hope that you loved listeningto this conversation.
I hope you had some interestinginsights.
I hope that it challenged you tothink about, you know, how you
would rank certain priorities orcertain uh decisions that you
(22:25):
make about your health.
So if this episode resonatedwith you, if you liked listening
to it, share it with a friend.
Check out Jen's book.
You'll see all the links so youcan connect with her and learn
more about uncomplicatingwellness in the show notes.
And that's it.
That's what I've got for youtoday.
I want to say thank you so muchfor listening.
(22:46):
I really love doing theseinterviews and putting together
these episodes for you all.
And of course, it wouldn'treally be so joyous for me if
nobody was listening.
So thank you for being here,especially for those of you who
have stayed and listened all theway through the end.
And I will see you on the nextone real soon.
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