How Overhyped Protein, Online Bullying, And Kind Coaching Actually Shape Health

A walking pad hums, soda cans crack, and the jokes fly—but what sticks is a grounded approach to health that actually fits a full life. We hang out with Edin from Evidence Nutrition to unpack how he coaches everyday people and athletes without the noise: simpler plans, less moral panic around food, and real talk about what sustainable change looks like when you work a 9–5 and still want to perform.

We get into the weeds on protein myths and athlete fueling, including why obsessing over sky-high protein can starve your carbs and wreck endurance. We compare sport nutrition vs everyday nutrition, and draw a clear line between bodybuilding aesthetics and health-focused training. We also talk coaching fit—why a good coach refers out when a client needs a different skill set or lived experience—and how relatability and ethics matter more than shiny marketing.

The conversation turns to online culture: fat-shaming, “bullying works” nonsense, and the weird overlap of moral posturing and comment-section cruelty. We break down how algorithms reward outrage, how lighting and PEDs warp body expectations, and why skill in the gym should be treated like skill in tennis: it takes time, reps, and patience. Along the way, you’ll hear practical content-creator tactics (batch filming, editing at 1.5–1.7 mph on a walking pad), plus the kind of candid behind-the-scenes that demystifies people with big followings.

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Episode Transcript

SPEAKER_07 (00:18):
Welcome back to Mike in Moderation, where every week
we replace one of the hosts withMike because stuff's going on
and yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (00:27):
What's up, Mike?
I I was gonna just pretend to beLiam, not say anything,
introduce myself as Liam.
I just act as Liam.
What's up, Liam?
I'm doing all of them.
What's up, Liam?
Uh anyway, would you happen toknow the uh street that I grew
up on and my mother's maidenname?
The street you grew up on was Mychildhood dog.

SPEAKER_07 (00:47):
Uh I know this.
I know this.
Come on.
Uh sorry, I forgot.
It's just not coming to me.

SPEAKER_03 (00:52):
Are you trying to come up with a stripper name or
banking uh security questions?

SPEAKER_06 (00:57):
I just I I can't figure out how to get into my
banking details.
That you know, it is what it is.
The answer is cottage cheese.

SPEAKER_03 (01:03):
I've got cottage cheese.

SPEAKER_07 (01:05):
I've got your social insurance number written down
over here.
I'll send it to you later.

SPEAKER_03 (01:09):
Oh, perfect, thank you.
Yeah, it'll actually be in thedescription of this video.
Everyone else is a good idea.

SPEAKER_07 (01:13):
He's got a man to pretend to be uh no one.
I mean Liam conveniently draggedsomebody in off the street.

SPEAKER_06 (01:19):
I did quite I absolutely did, and it's uh I
doubt that he would ever feelthe need to pretend to be
someone else because he's socool on his own.
Edin Sohovic, hello.

SPEAKER_03 (01:28):
Hello, hello.
Thank you so much for the warmwelcome.
That is the welcome that Ideserve.
By the way, if you notice, ifyou guys are watching this, I
don't know if you can hear thedifference, but if you're
watching this, uh my head andMike's heads are bobbing up and
down.
And before we started recording,I realized Mike was walking on a
walking pad, and I felt likeguilty for not walking on my

(01:50):
walking pad, and my steps werereally, really low.
So significantly lower.
Yeah, I would I put it this way,all I'm gonna say is I'm less
than 30% of Mike's steps for theday, so I felt obligated to at
least walk slowly.

SPEAKER_07 (02:06):
I I do just being like, screw that, I'm gonna sit.
Dude, he's balling.
He's in comfort mode.

SPEAKER_06 (02:12):
All my clients coaching calls, everything I do
on this walking pad standing.
So I'm getting like 20 to 30,000steps a day.

SPEAKER_03 (02:21):
Grinded.
I actually don't doubt that.
Like, what are you walking at?
Like a 1.7 to 2.0 all day, oreven faster?

SPEAKER_06 (02:28):
Uh 2.6 right now.

SPEAKER_03 (02:30):
That's pretty fast.
Well, okay.
So if you were typing though,you slow down a bit, no?

SPEAKER_06 (02:34):
Oh yeah.
If I'm if I'm typing, like if Ihave to write because I take all
my notes, um pen and paper, Isometimes I'll step off to do
that.
Right.
But otherwise, the oldside-to-side.
Yep, where we just drive to getreally short.

SPEAKER_03 (02:49):
Fair play.
I was gonna say, I'm I'm morelike if I'm editing a video and
walking pad, uh, that's actuallythe saving grace for my steps.
Because for a lot of people thatdon't know this, I batch record
a lot of my videos.
So what that means is I'll tryto record a few quote unquote
evergreen videos or videos thatdon't really matter what day I

(03:10):
post them on, just so that I Ibecause I try to post every
single day.
And so um I'll also do somereaction videos, uh, but usually
I'll post like I'll take twodays out of the week to record
like seven or eight videos, um,if not more, if I can.
And then the rest of the days,if there's something pertinent

(03:31):
that comes up, like today, I'llrecord a reaction, I'll record a
response to a question, thingslike that, and then edit that on
the fly.
But because I work full-time, itit helped and then coaching as
well.
So it helps me to be there everysingle day.
But, anyways, when I'm editing,I like to have like 1.5 speed
because I can't type any faster.

(03:52):
But even that 1.5 to or 1.7-ishis what I'm averaging.
Miles per hour is the speed.
It's very slow walk.
You'd almost feel like, oh,that's nothing, dude.
When you're editing for like twoto three hours, you end up
getting at like over 10k stepseasily, and it's like painfully
slow.

SPEAKER_07 (04:10):
That's all interesting and stuff, but who
the fuck are you?

SPEAKER_03 (04:14):
So for those of you that don't know me, this isn't
my first time on this show.
Um, I'm just some diabetic guythat they pulled off the street.
They saw me taking a needle andthey thought, that sounds
interesting.
So they brought me in.
And Mike was like, dude, thisguy looks like uh a lot of fun.
No, but uh I go by EvidenceNutrition.
Dude, you never told me therewas a Snickers bar.

(04:35):
I would have ran faster.
Um, the they uh Yeah, no, myname's Edin.
Um I make videos on a pagecalled Evidence Nutrition.
I have a background in nutritionand dietetics, similar to Liam,
I guess.
Um and uh yeah, so I make videosdebunking and you know,
debunking misinformation,educating, hopefully,

(04:56):
simplifying nutrition ishopefully the goal, nutrition
fitness, those kind of things.
I just don't make cool repliesand cooking videos and stuff
like that because I just I'm notcool.
It's not that I'm lacking thevideos, I'm just not cool.
That's all.

SPEAKER_07 (05:11):
So we know who you are.
Yes.
Now we can go back to talkingabout how Mike gets way too many
steps in a day.

SPEAKER_06 (05:19):
This is Rob, are you taking a cue from me and my
critique that we don't everintroduce who we're talking to?
Nor do you introduce you.

SPEAKER_07 (05:27):
No, the the we what was it?
Way back on like episode nine,um, one of the comments on one
of the videos was um that wedon't introduce.

SPEAKER_03 (05:38):
It took you 30 minutes to introduce someone.

SPEAKER_07 (05:41):
And so after that point, we were just like, okay,
guests introduce themselves.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (05:47):
I kind of like that though.
It's way more informal, it's waymore uh listen.
I mean, the podcasts I listen towhen I'm in the car or whatever,
they're very conversational, andI think that's a little bit
easier to follow becausesometimes you just want people
talking in your ear aboutnothing too stressful, you know?
So that's what we do.
I like it.
Nothing too stressful.

SPEAKER_06 (06:08):
Nothing substantial.

SPEAKER_07 (06:10):
Nothing substantial except the DeLorean fund.

SPEAKER_06 (06:13):
Except the DeLorean fund.
Oh, we're raising money for anot an old DeLorean, but a new
DeLorean.
What's the ones?
They they've made like a secondgeneration DeLorean.
It's the DeLorean Motoristican.
Yes.
And it's it's got the endorsessame thing.

SPEAKER_03 (06:29):
I did hear of this, but I have not actively I am
currently looking it up as wespeak.

SPEAKER_06 (06:34):
What you'll find there, probably listed fairly
prominently, is the price forthe new DeLorean.
And that's kind of the hurdleright now.

SPEAKER_03 (06:43):
That's just our first hurdle that we're facing.
So is it the first hurdle?
The Alpha 5?
Is that what you're looking at?
I it's that what it's called?

SPEAKER_06 (06:56):
Why the f why is this like the spec is ass?

SPEAKER_03 (07:00):
Like it looks cool.
Don't get don't get me wrong.
But like performance-wise, thisthing is ass.

SPEAKER_06 (07:06):
What the fuck?
The original DeLorean was alsoass.
It wasn't a cool looking car.

SPEAKER_03 (07:12):
Yeah, yeah.
To be fair, this is a massiveimprovement.
This is kind of what theDeLorean thought it was at the
time, I feel like.
It's got a nice rear end, I willsay.
Rear profiles, cool, gulblingdoors, cool.
It's electric ass.
It does, yeah, exactly.
We're on par here.

SPEAKER_06 (07:29):
It's like somebody blasting a gram and a half a
trend.
They look real great on theoutside, but their insides are
melting.
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (07:37):
Yes.
And they're made of batteriesalso.
Um batteries.
I presume this is electric, butI can't really see anything.

SPEAKER_06 (07:45):
Yes, EV.
And but here's the reason whyLiam wants this car, and and I
support him.
So I'm a big Back to the Futurefan.

unknown (07:54):
Right?

SPEAKER_06 (07:54):
I've got, in fact, right here, uh, pieces of the
original DeLorean time machinescreen used.
Oh, wow.
So yeah, I'm serious about thisthing.
Liam has never seen the film.
Now, the reason he wants theDeLorean is when people ask him,
Well, are you a fan of Back tothe Future?
He wants to be able to say no.
I've never seen it.

SPEAKER_03 (08:16):
That's that's like Yeah, that feels on brand.

SPEAKER_06 (08:19):
So that that's that's where we're at.

SPEAKER_03 (08:21):
Well, I'm a big car guy, so I I support that.
I think um I think if anyonelikes any cars, and cars are an
interesting piece of kit becausethey can start a conversation.
Doesn't matter how big of apiece of junk it is or how
incredibly expensive it is, andlike anywhere in between, if you
have like a cool, unique car, Ifeel like it just starts a

(08:42):
conversation and that works youunintentionally.

SPEAKER_07 (08:46):
So today on Inmoderation, screw talking
about health and fitness.
We're talking about cars.
Just side side tangent.
Sorry.

SPEAKER_03 (08:53):
Sorry, but you could have like, you know, an 80s
truck, an 80s truck, and if yourestore it, or even if you
don't, it's a good conversationpiece or a quarter million
dollar DeLorean.

SPEAKER_06 (09:03):
I've I've got a 98 Toyota Corolla, pristine
condition.
This thing doesn't have to be agood one.

SPEAKER_03 (09:08):
Oh, you got a Corolls Royce?
A Corolls Royce.
Yeah, dude, those things arerunning forever.
That is pure luxury.

SPEAKER_06 (09:17):
It's about to hit 400,000 miles in risk of getting
a cyber truck.

SPEAKER_03 (09:21):
And then he's getting a fridge.
Wow, that's crazy.
What an upgrade.

SPEAKER_06 (09:25):
So tell us what you're doing in the fitness
space.
Who do you help?

SPEAKER_03 (09:28):
Why do you help them?
So currently, I help a widevariety of people, but I work
with some athletes in the space,uh, and I work with a lot of
general pop now.
Um, we've relaunched thecoaching, and we're working with
them on really quite simplysimplifying their nutrition.

(09:48):
Um, so for some folks, that maybe just giving them a plan to
stick to, whether that'snutrition or fitness or both.
Uh, and then for other folks,that's creating uh an idea
around nutrition that helpsthem, you know, separate.
Really, it's helping themimprove their improve their

(10:09):
relationship with food.
But uh for a lot of folks, Idon't want them to think about
even that there is arelationship.
Even though there is arelationship with food, a lot of
people like get so tied down tolike, oh my god, like food is
ruining me.
And so it's like trying toseparate them from food being
this thing that they thinkthey're addicted to or might
actually be addicted to, or youknow, there's all of these

(10:32):
different preconceived notionsaround it.
So again, just trying to helpthem see what quote unquote
eating healthy can look like anddemystifying that for them.
So anyway, we work with we, asin me, I have do I do have some
help with trying to organize mytime, but otherwise, it's just
me in the coaching side, um, andtrying to get them, you know,

(10:52):
demystifying their fitness andnutrition, really trying to make
it not so granular.
While yes, there's a lot ofresearch, and I do a lot of
reading every week, um, but justtrying to make the the average
Joe who works a day job, nottrying to be a bodybuilder, you
know, that works whether they'rethere's some C-suite execs,

(11:14):
there's some folks that workjust a nine to five job in a
corporate building, they don'twant to be bodybuilders.
And I don't want to work withbodybuilders, to be quite honest
with you.
Um, I have done that work in thepast, not hated those
experiences, but it's just notfor me because I don't want to
teach you to be on stage becauseI don't want to be on stage.

(11:34):
So that's kind of the gist ofit.

SPEAKER_06 (11:36):
Yeah, health and fitness are very different from
bodybuilding performances,extremely different.

SPEAKER_03 (11:42):
Anybody, and even sport from health and fitness
are very different.
You know, talking to some of myclients who are involved in
sport compared to just talkingto people who want to learn
about exercise and nutrition.
So I actually will talk aboutexercise nutrition separately
from sport nutrition.
They're very different.
Um, one of them, timing mattersa lot, one of them timing

(12:05):
matters a lot less.
So um, yeah, it's it's reallycomplicated.
And then if I put a video outfor sport nutrition, I'm gonna
get all the people that followme for exercise nutrition like,
what?
Like the freaking out.
Because the guidance guidanceshould be different.
So yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (12:24):
So, how do you feel about the uh social media
pushing 200 grams of protein aday on just the average Joe?

SPEAKER_03 (12:33):
Here's the thing.
Um, uh one of my clients who isan athlete, I recently had to
walk them off the ledge of thegram per pound of protein.
Because, you know, when youequate calories and then also
take most of their calorieseffectively, or almost half, and

(12:53):
put them towards protein.
And then a lot of that,obviously, if they're eating
protein, they they eat meat.
So a lot of them they would alsobe consuming a high amount of
fat in conjunction with that.
You've got nothing left on thecarbs.
The carbs end up being like 100,and this person was on average,
I think it was 150, 160 grams ofcarbs per day.
They're an endurance athlete.
They had nothing, effectively,nothing left for carbohydrates.

(13:17):
And carbohydrates, I don't carewhat carnivore keto douchebag
you want to be, that's great.
But even keto researchers, whichI'm friends with a solid amount
of them, will tell you that lowcarb is great unless you want to
be an athlete.
Then it's not.
So, um, so you know, it's tryingto unlearn these behaviors or

(13:42):
unlearn these preconceivednotions that a lot of these
folks have.
Sometimes I'm lucky and theclient is very receptive to it.
Other times I'm not lucky andthey just start looking for the
next person who's going to tellthem what they want to hear.
That's life.
Right.
That's the industry that we livein, I think.
And I think honestly, that'simportant to talk about too,
because um I feel like a lot ofcoaches want to be like, yeah, I

(14:06):
can help everyone.
No, you can't.
You can't.
And it's not because you'reuneducated.
I try to comment this to somepeople, maybe like quite
literally on their commentsection.
Like, everyone wants to be like,yo, sign up for my coaching,
this and that.
Cool, I get it.
You have a business, but likeyou can't help everyone.
And if you think you can, you'regonna get absolutely railed by

(14:27):
life quickly.
It'll humble you.
So um, in instances like this,you're gonna be heartbroken,
right?
Because I think people that arecoaches, there's a lot of them,
whether nutrition coaches,dietitians, fitness coaches,
whatever, they get heartbrokenwhen they can't help people
because they get into theindustry to help people.
So uh I I think I feel like Ilearned that maybe not so early

(14:51):
on, but early enough that Idon't get upset about it.
I just try to find someone thatcan maybe guide the person back
to reality if I can't, or thatcan use what they you know.
So I just try to find somebodyelse that might be able to help
them that I know, uh, and thenpush them over to them.
Which happens a lot more thanyou think.

(15:12):
I actually don't take on a lotof clients.

SPEAKER_06 (15:15):
I send people to other people all the time.
Yeah, they'll come to me andthey'll like I'm not
particularly a personal trainer.
I deal with people who are moreso my ideal client is someone
who has been trying to lose 50plus pounds for five plus years
and has really been strugglingwith it.
They've tried everything.
Uh they're probably an emotionalleader, somebody who has lost

(15:35):
weight successfully before butgained it back.
Just people who have a arelationship with their weight.
They're not just like, hmm,maybe I'm I'm gonna try to lose
some weight right now.
Like I'm gonna do it.
Yeah, it's almost like anidentity, right?
Yeah.
Yeah, I'm not just gonna begiven calories and macros, and
here's how to move.
Like, we're we're gonna get intoyour childhood kind of shit.

SPEAKER_03 (15:56):
Yeah.
Yeah.
You know, and and in fairness,there's a distinction to I hate
to be that guy that's bringingit back to me, but I just want
to make it clear for I guesssomeone whoever's listening to
this conversation.
No, no, I thought I was justMike today.
That's why I was walking.
Oh, that's right.
You're Mike.
Mike is the um, I'm me.
Exactly.
That's why I'm wearing the hatto hide the blonde, you know.

(16:17):
Um, but that was a controversiallike my clientele.
My clientele, for example, wouldvery rarely like, yes, I get a
lot of fat loss clients.
Absolutely.
There's no shortage of that uhin my history with coaching, but
my clientele will never besomeone, not because I don't
want them, but because I justfeel like I will push them to a

(16:40):
friend of mine who maybe hasmore experience in that, whether
more education or quiteliterally the experience of it.
People that are trying to lose100 plus pounds are not my
people.
And it's not because I don'tlove them.
Quite the opposite.
It's just because I feel likethey won't get the value from me
that they will get from someoneelse paying the same price, or
maybe more sometimes, dependingon the person.

(17:03):
But I think relatability is abig thing as well, you know?
And I have not lost a hundredplus pounds or 50 plus pounds.
And not that that is the onlything.
You guys know me well enough toknow that I don't preach on my
page like you have to haveexperienced this to know what
the fuck you're talking about.
No, um, but I do think it plays,it's it's important, uh
especially when you're puttingyour money behind something and

(17:25):
you really want to like believein a product or a service.
I think it is important.
I think it's valuable to be ableto relate to the people because
you need to have a connectionwith the client, and sometimes
that connection is the rerelatability.
Absolutely.
Just the same that somebodythat's perhaps lower income, it
doesn't really make sense tocollaborate with, although

(17:49):
that's a whole separate talkingpoint.
It doesn't really make sense tohire a coach that's like living
in a mansion with, you know,Lamborghinis, Bugattis,
whatever.
They still do it sometimes, youknow, but it doesn't, it just
doesn't make sense, right?
So um because they kind of don'tbreathe the same air, they don't
live the same life, they don'tknow the little hacks that we
can, you know, save them moneyin their goal or in their

(18:12):
pursuit of whatever theirendeavor is.

SPEAKER_06 (18:14):
If anybody here's looking for fat loss coaching, I
am broke as shit.
I'm sorry.
If anyone here's looking for fatloss coaching, anyone listening
right now, I'm broke as shit.
Don't worry about me living in amansion anytime soon.
It won't happen.

SPEAKER_03 (18:27):
Dude's the most relatable guy ever, except
except for the fact that he'sgot more steps than you.
Regardless of what you think, hewill have more steps than you.

SPEAKER_06 (18:36):
Oh, this I wanted to talk about this before.
I So anytime I do a live stream,I'm walking.

SPEAKER_03 (18:42):
Sorry, sorry, I do my sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry.
Just need to interrupt for asecond.
I know you didn't hear it, butthat was the sound of a
sugar-free beverage beingopened.

SPEAKER_06 (18:52):
Oh, we heard it.
We heard it.
You know, I'm gonna go get oneand then you guys start talking
about that afterwards.

SPEAKER_03 (18:58):
Okay, perfect.
Um Did these have I think theseare aspartame?
Yeah.
Aspartame and accessifamepotassium, or ace K, as my
American friends like to callit.
I've never heard a Canadian saythat, so I'll just, you know,
but feels just like a lazy wayout.
How many steps have I taken?
This is this has been a lot.

SPEAKER_07 (19:17):
I don't think I've ever heard a Canadian say that
aside of you, maybe.
But then again, 90% of thepeople I know are American.

SPEAKER_03 (19:24):
Yeah, dude.
I what's so funny is likeactually what all a lot of there
we go.
Join the club.
What what do we got there?
By the way, mine was a fresca.
What is that?
This is an X W0 reason I've gotthis.

SPEAKER_07 (19:37):
Now I feel bad for opening mine before we started.

SPEAKER_03 (19:41):
Oh, that's okay.
Yes.
Okay, that that's all.
We don't drink calories here.
Listen, he's in a he needed todrink that in a timely fashion.
It's highly caffeinated.
Mine could have been consumedwhenever.

SPEAKER_06 (19:56):
I love a Sprite Zero.
I love a diet squirt.
Uh, but this right here, whichyou guys, you Canadians don't
have.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But this right here, this leavesuh for those of you not on the
visual medium, this is an AWZero sugar root beer.
This satiates me in a way thatthe other ones don't.

SPEAKER_07 (20:15):
It leaves AW is a different company than your AW.

SPEAKER_03 (20:19):
Yeah.
I feel like attacked with that.
We do have AW root beer, and thediet variety is just different.

SPEAKER_07 (20:25):
Yeah, you've got the but you don't have when I went
to the U.S.
No, we don't have Diet Square.
I tried, but I wish we did.
A and W Root Beer Zero, and Iwas like, I don't know.
This kind of tastes just likeour diet root beer up here.

SPEAKER_03 (20:38):
It's yeah, this feels like a like a tax loophole
for some reason.
You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_06 (20:44):
We get 300 different flavors of zero Dr.
Pepper, you guys get healthcare.
That's the trade-off.

SPEAKER_03 (20:49):
But also your AWS.

SPEAKER_07 (20:52):
Sorry, what?
The AW burgers in the U.S.
look like shit.

SPEAKER_03 (20:55):
Dude, can we talk about this for a second?
Rob, have you ever been to aMcDonald's in the U.S.?

SPEAKER_07 (21:01):
I didn't.
I meant to go when I was downthere.
I did go to a McDonald's whenI'm down there.

SPEAKER_03 (21:05):
Like, I feel like you need to go just to
experience it.
But every McDonald's in the USthat I've ever been to has been
like really disappointing.
Whereas, really, forgive me, uh,but Mike, we don't have fast
food like you guys got it.
But okay, Rob, correct me if I'mwrong, but like McDonald's is
kind of the cornerstone of fastfood here, no?
McDonald's and AW, yeah.

(21:27):
They hold it down.
All right, fair enough.
I'll take that.
They hold it down.
So whenever I go to the US andI'm like, oh God, I got like no
other option.
And then there's McDonald'saround, every single time,
disappointed.
I'm disappointed every singletime.
It's like not the same standard.
The fries always suck, which islike, whoa, come on, they're

(21:47):
French fries.
And it must be because they'renot fried in tallow.
That must be what it is.
Must be it.

SPEAKER_07 (21:54):
That must be it.
Yeah, Mike, you're gonna have totake me up to McDonald's while
I'm down there.

SPEAKER_06 (21:58):
Yeah, I want to see a Canadian's reaction.
Rob's coming here next week.
I look, I as somebody who usedto be at McDonald's three times
a day for a long time.
I I wasn't going there becauseit was satisfying.
That that wasn't.

SPEAKER_03 (22:12):
But it's also not cheap, dude.
It's not cheap anymore either.

SPEAKER_06 (22:16):
Not anymore.

SPEAKER_03 (22:17):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (22:18):
Now I would have been having to take out loans or
something.

SPEAKER_03 (22:22):
Dude, a mortgage for a fucking Big Mac, dude.
Forgive my language.

SPEAKER_06 (22:26):
Back then I could get in and out for uh like five
dollars, you know, but yeah, nowit's uh three times that easily.

SPEAKER_03 (22:32):
To confirm you're talking about go in and then
leave the location, or are youtalking about in and out is in
the loc the restaurant?

SPEAKER_06 (22:38):
In and out is disgusting, and I will die on
that hill.

SPEAKER_03 (22:41):
You know, I I agree normally.
Oh, forgive me, all of thiswalking has triggered my blood
glucose to drop dramatically.
Okay.

SPEAKER_05 (22:51):
Yeah, let's not have that happen.

SPEAKER_03 (22:53):
Walking.

SPEAKER_05 (22:54):
Yes.
Yeah, I'm diabetic.

SPEAKER_03 (22:55):
Do you fun fact.
Do you have a I'm gonna stopwalking.
Like uh while I do have food.
Um I'll this is not a sponsoredpromo.
I'm just gonna have somecreatine gummies that uh that I
had here for a video yesterday.
Not a sponsored promo, but theydo have some carbs, and if it
gets bad, I'll walk away forlike two seconds.

SPEAKER_06 (23:15):
Yeah, if you just have to walk away real quick.
Go and get some get a snack realquick and then come back.
We will we will hold it down, asthe kids say.
Hold it down, yeah.
Hold it down.
What else do I do?
They they say that I'm choppedand also unk.
You're Sigma.
I haven't been called unk yet.

SPEAKER_03 (23:32):
No?
How old are you?
You can tell my TikTok views arein the toilet because I haven't
been called Unk yet.
One moment.

SPEAKER_07 (23:40):
Wait, are really are people really saying unk these
days?
Yeah, well, it's mostlychildren, but yes.
Really?
See, that's um that's a thingyou s you see a lot on uh uh
from the native population hereis um they'll call each other
uncle and stuff.
I don't know if you're gonna beable to do ever seen somebody
with a profile picture, but Isee that happen a lot.

(24:03):
So it's weird to be thinkingthat young people are suddenly
going unk.

SPEAKER_06 (24:09):
It's it happened fairly recently, and it's always
somebody with like an animeprofile picture.
And if you were to click ontheir thing, it'll tell the
it'll say, like, I'm graduatinghigh school in 2029.
Like, okay.
Well, this person's opinion doesnot matter.
Like, it doesn't are we alreadypressed.
Oh, way past that.
I haven't seen that in a while.

(24:30):
That that feels ancient now.

SPEAKER_03 (24:32):
Um I I never actually saw it.
Does that make me a bad person?
Um, yes.

SPEAKER_07 (24:38):
The skibbity, get off the podcast.

SPEAKER_03 (24:40):
Fair play.
To make me an even worse person,I have this.
This was so disappointing.
Uh by the way, I'm holding up araspberry lemonade ginger ale.
It was disappointing for tworeasons.
One, because I thought I grabbeda zero sugar variant.
It was not.
It is full sugar, hence why I'mdrinking it now.
Um also flavor was like mid.

SPEAKER_06 (25:00):
It's when you need it, you need it.
I am I I don't, I'm not adiabetic, but I do suffer with
low blood sugar and low bloodpressure and everything.
I've I've got a whole bunch ofshit wrong with my body.
I am 23 recessive traitsmasquerading as a human being in
a trench coat.
But yeah, it's like I've got alittle bag of salt in my glove
box, and I had to find thecoarsest grain salt I could in

(25:22):
case I ever got pulled over andthey found it so that it looked
like salt.

SPEAKER_03 (25:26):
Yeah, so that they weren't like, the fuck are you
doing?
Yeah, it's either Chipotle.

SPEAKER_06 (25:32):
Yeah, well that too.

unknown (25:33):
Oh man.

SPEAKER_01 (25:33):
Not you're not the guy within that.

SPEAKER_00 (25:36):
The seed oils at Chipotle.

SPEAKER_07 (25:39):
My body's doing amazing.
It's my mind that's going.

SPEAKER_03 (25:42):
Yeah.
Yeah, I feel that.
My my mind is definitely.
I mean, I can't, I'm not gonnaspeak to whatever it is that you
were gonna get dive into,hopefully, Rob, but I feel that.
Oh, I wasn't gonna dive intoanything I was just saying.
My my body's also cooked.

SPEAKER_06 (25:57):
How are you kind of?
We're gonna be the most jackedguys at the retirement home.
Honestly, dude, just put me outat that point.
Be flexing in the mirror, andthe nurse is like, yeah, you
look exactly like C Bum.

SPEAKER_03 (26:08):
Who is that?
Who is he talking about?
That's how they know I'm gettinglike put away for dementia or
whatever.
Like he keeps mentioning thisC-bum guy.
Never heard of him.

SPEAKER_04 (26:17):
Sam Sulek?
Back in my day, Sam Sulek.
He drank chocolate milk and gothuge.
Yeah.
Give me my chocolate milk.
You just don't understand.

SPEAKER_03 (26:29):
Put the walker down.
Put the walker down.
Anyways, I have no idea what wewere talking about.
Lots of different things.
Abuse and replace.
Yeah.
Um, so what did I interrupt, bythe way?
You guys did uh call me out ontothe pod.
I feel like I commandeered thispod for no reason, and I'm so

(26:49):
sorry.

SPEAKER_06 (26:50):
There's never a structure on these shows.
We just bring in people that wewant to have chats with, and we
get to have chats with them.
It's a good excuse to hang outwith friends.

SPEAKER_07 (26:59):
There is zero structure to this.
Wow.
We just talk, we're justchilling.
That's some of the feedback thatway.

SPEAKER_03 (27:07):
Yeah, what's some of the feedback you guys get on
these pods?
I feel like that would be like afun little uh topic of
conversation right now.
I'd love to dive into that.

SPEAKER_06 (27:14):
Do we have the comments?
Can we like read some fancomments?

SPEAKER_07 (27:18):
Um when we started out, there was some comments
about how uh, you know, it'd bebetter if we had the questions
prepared ahead of time and um ofcourse introduce the guests
better.

SPEAKER_06 (27:32):
Well, I don't want to hear the dumb comments, I
want to hear the good ones.

SPEAKER_03 (27:36):
By the way, guys, that's my favorite part of
social media is the comments.
Oh god.
Um, well, for better or forworse.

SPEAKER_07 (27:44):
We did that uh we wanted to keep it very loose,
very unscripted, very casual.
And so we were like, well,there's like five million
podcasts you can listen to ifyou want the scripted thing
where we just lay out somequestions and go through them.
We don't want that.
We want the we want the guest tocome on here and feel casual and

(28:09):
talk about whatever they want.
We want the listener to feellike they're just kicking back,
having uh listening to usconverse.
I've gotten some comments thatlike um absolutely people feel
comfortable listening to this.
Like they're just sitting therelistening to a friend talking.
That's what we want.

SPEAKER_06 (28:29):
I I I feel like it demystifies us too, because to
some people we're just like ayou know an internet presence
and we've got these bigfollowings, and it's like, well,
is this person mortal like me?
Not to say that like anyoneidolizes us, but there are
people I'm sure you both getvery nice comments in your DMs
from people that said, like, youknow, thank you for sharing

(28:50):
this, thank you for saying this.
Like I I think this also servesto them as like, hey, we're just
like you.
Like, I talk about my struggleson here all the time.
You know, I talk about thethings that I went through on my
journey to try to let peopleknow, hey, it's I'm not perfect
now nor then.
And it's I I think that's kindof that.

SPEAKER_07 (29:08):
That's just one of the uh the I've mentioned before
that I love that we do is thatwe just keep in our fuck ups.
It's like, hey, we fucked up, wedo it, everybody does it.
I've completely messed up anopening sequence before, and we
were just like, screw it, keepit.
Like it was right at thebeginning.
We could have easily reshot it,but it was like, no, I fucked

(29:29):
up.
Yeah, just who cares?
Let's go.

SPEAKER_03 (29:31):
See, the funny thing about that is I think if I
actually don't know if peoplewould respect me more or less if
they knew how much I edited myvideos.
And what I mean by that is likeit's not like I'm not like
changing the way I look.
I'm not put I've never once puton a beauty filter.
I mean, maybe by accident, butlike okay, never intentionally
put on a beauty filter.
My videos don't have filters onthem.

(29:51):
All right.
So I never color grade myvideos.
I never intentionally shoot withlike, I mean, unless there's a
blinding light, like that'sreally distracting.
I don't even look for goodlighting.
Nothing.
I mean, granted, I have prettysolid lighting in here, but
that's just because it would bepitch black otherwise.
So with that all that said, I doedit my videos in the sense that
I I grew up with a stutter.

(30:14):
Like, not a bad one, but Istutter a lot because call it
ADHD.
Or whatever.
I'm trying to word vomiteverything.
I get really excited, and then Itry to get all the words out of
me half the time.
And I repeated the same sentence18 times today.
No joke.
The 18th take was the perfectone.
It's always the last one.
The 18th take of a sentence.

(30:34):
And now it's like I've done thiswhere I make videos a lot, and
people are like, oh man, you'relike the compliment I get that
makes me so happy is like, man,you're so good with your words.
And I go, ha ha, you have noidea how bad that is incorrect.
You're so good with howincorrect that is.
You think I'm good with mywords?

(30:56):
No, no, I'm good with myclicking and my fingers and
cutting it and editing ittogether.
Exactly.
Um I am the same way.

SPEAKER_06 (31:04):
I've been doing this two and a half years, and I'm
still not any more comfortablein front of a camera.
I still stutter and freak outevery time I try to record
something.
I've already I usually have astutter, like it's something
I've had to fight.
Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (31:16):
Yeah.
It's weird, eh?
Is uh ooh, the A, the Canadiancame out.
Um it's weird though that but itis weird that like if it you put
the phone, it's a lot lessintimidating than a than a
camera.
And it's not that different, youknow what I mean?
It like if I put you know thisup, it's like ooh, versus if I
put this up, and it's kind ofrecording the same thing, you
know what I mean?

(31:37):
Like, but for some reason it'sit does make it physically makes
me sweat.
That's a fun fact for anyonethat I am literally drenched in
sweat after every recordingsession, which is another reason
why I batch produce contentbecause then I'm sweating only
twice in a week instead of everysingle day, but they still see
me every single day.

(31:58):
So there's a fun fact.

SPEAKER_06 (32:01):
Uh let's let's run a poll right here.
Do we prefer Ed to be wet or notwet?

SPEAKER_03 (32:06):
If we get those in order to know where that's gonna
go.

SPEAKER_06 (32:08):
What if we improve like the Nielsen rating on your
videos?

SPEAKER_07 (32:11):
By you know, people prefer slightly more moist,
nice, nice damp pit stains anduh some gray t-shirts.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (32:21):
Hey, I uh I'm wearing one that shows sweat
pretty well here.
Look, see, look, you see this?
There we go.
No joke.
I mean, I was also walking.
Take that with a grain of salt.
But if anybody's watching this,they can see my Viore shirt,
shout out Viore.
Damn.
They are uh showing some sweat.
I I granted I was walking, but Iwould probably sweat just the

(32:43):
same at some point during thispodcast.
It just would have taken alittle bit longer to get there.
The low blood sugar also helped.
But uh, but yeah, that's that'ssomething that maybe people
didn't want to know that theynow know about me.
And what I will say, by the way,that I really appreciate you
bringing um this to my attentionwhen I asked about the comments,
uh, Rob, the I don't rememberwhat we talked about the last

(33:06):
time I was on the podcast, butrandomly somebody like people
will come out and DM me and saythings like, Man, I like I feel
like I learned a lot about youin that podcast.
And I go, that I guess it'scrazy.
I just go, Well, that's soweird, but how could you have
learned anything about me?
You know, like what did I talkabout that's any different?
I feel like you see me everyday, but then you forget that

(33:28):
people only see what you post.
And even though I think I'mposting everything and I think
I'm being as transparent as Ican, and I think people know me
perfectly.
That the one compliment I gotwas only like two or three weeks
ago, actually.
They watched the podcast laterand they said, I didn't like, I
didn't see your humor being thatway.
And I go, how the how the fuckhave you ever read my comment

(33:50):
section?
Like, like what?

SPEAKER_07 (33:52):
Okay, everybody, everybody watching this, go
ahead to his comment section andjust write Pittsdains at
evidence.

SPEAKER_03 (33:59):
Comment pit stains and I'll know exactly where this
came from.
Pit stains.
On any video, whatever you'rewatching.

SPEAKER_06 (34:06):
I'm not particularly funny in my videos.
I'm educated, I'm in educationmode.
I'm teaching, I'm sharing, I'mdoing something uh emotional,
you know.
So when I get onto thesepodcasts and people find out
that I have a sense of humor,they're uh well, I guess the
ones who tell me that they'redelighted are delighted.
Maybe there are some that go, myheavens, and clutch their pearls

(34:27):
and unfollow me.

SPEAKER_03 (34:28):
But yeah, I do get a few of those, and you get some
unsavory comments from someonewith a Bible quote, you know.
It's like um look, it's noteveryone with a Bible quote.

SPEAKER_07 (34:39):
Exactly why we keep it unscripted.

SPEAKER_03 (34:41):
Yeah, I was gonna say it's not every single one
with a Bible quote, but somehowthe cunty comments always do
also have a Bible quote in the Iran a series earlier uh through
the summer that I understood.
Yes, bring it back, dude.
That was fucking hilarious.
That series was so good.
I think I commented on everyvideo.
It was unreal.

(35:02):
So you've seen it.
Okay.
Yeah, everybody wants me to doit again.
For for those who haven't,please continue to explain it.

SPEAKER_06 (35:09):
How long will it take to find a bully in the
comments with a Bible quote intheir bio?
It's uh I was basically I wouldfind a person bullying, and then
I would go to their profile, seeif they had a Bible quote in
their bio, and I'd see how longit would take me to find that
person.
It was always like 10 seconds.

SPEAKER_03 (35:24):
Yeah.
And then I would read the quote,and it's yeah.
It was always like top threecomments.
But sometimes it would throw youfor a whirl, and you had to go
through a couple profiles.
It wasn't always immediate, butusually it was pretty fucking
close.

SPEAKER_06 (35:36):
I've so I'll I'll give an in-moderation podcast
exclusive.
I've got like a second season ofit I'm working on where I'm
gonna change it up a little bit.
I'm trying to figure out how toformat it, but basically, I want
to take quotes from people withBible quotes in their bios and
attribute those bad comments toJesus.

(35:58):
Like the people, especiallyright now with the snap
benefits.
Yeah, where it's uh the peoplewho are are speaking up against
snap benefits or people that arelike, I'm a big fan of Jesus.
Like, I want to take thosecomments and then put them under
a picture of Jesus.
And there are people that aregonna get immediately upset
about that.
Meanwhile, of course, they'rewilling to say that while they
are representing the religion.

(36:18):
And it's uh but by the way, toanybody here who's listening, I
do not hate religion.
I am a friend of Jesus myself,which I think shocks so.

SPEAKER_07 (36:27):
The teachings of Jesus, like when taking at face
value, is great.

SPEAKER_03 (36:32):
Yeah, so I'd argue of most religions, if not all, I
don't know all of them, I'm notfamiliar, but most of what I've
learned.
Uh I've taken a few worldreligions classes.
Um yeah, I would say across theboard, pretty good.
And uh most folks would agreewith it.

SPEAKER_07 (36:49):
Yeah.
If you look at like the goldenrule of most religions, it's do
unto others as you would havethem do to you.

SPEAKER_06 (36:56):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (36:56):
So it's it's always a critique of the person.
Subvariation, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (37:00):
I am critiquing the person who is using the religion
incorrectly rather than thereligion itself.
And it luckily most people gotthat.
And they were all the like I hada lot of Christians.

SPEAKER_03 (37:10):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (37:11):
Yeah, where they were like, thank you for doing
we appreciate you pointing outthe hypocrisy because these few
people make us look really bad.
So I'm I'm glad that it wentover well.

SPEAKER_03 (37:19):
Well, I mean, you know what I see this as?
I see this as no different fromuh to give you a gym example of
like what Joey Swole does.
You know, I see it the exactsame way, it's just holding a
different audience accountable.
Different audience, but adjacentaudience, right?
Like because it's still somehowwithin fitness.
It's usually uh someone who'strying to better themselves.
And in some capacity, that'susually the video that you were

(37:42):
I don't want to say going after,that you weren't going after,
but that's usually kind of thestyle of video that you would
have been watching, and thensomebody was just trying to
shoot them down just becausethey're not it was always for a
stupid reason.
It's like somebody who'sslightly overweight, but maybe
was like 300 pounds overweightbeforehand and now is like a
hundred pounds overweight, andthey're judging them based on

(38:04):
the classic in that momentjudgment.
And so, yeah, it it was kind ofalways a I mean a bad situation,
but but those videos, it's likewhat Joey Swole does to gym
bros.
It's like you make everyone lookbad by being rude to others in
the gym.
You make all bodybuilders lookbad, you continue to perpetuate

(38:27):
the idea.
And I don't consider myself abodybuilder, but I definitely
want people to feel comfortablein the gym.
So if I'm ever putting on a meanmug because I just ate shit or
struggled through a set, youknow, I try to like I know that
I'm perpetuating a look, youknow, or I know that a look it I
know people see me as a certainway, right?
And whether they see me asintimidating because I might be

(38:48):
larger than them, or whetherthey see me as a little bitch
because they're way bigger thanme, whatever the the way they
see me, I realize that otherpeople see me differently than I
see myself.
So I think it is important toacknowledge that and just be
like, look, everyone's at adifferent starting point.
We cannot please everyone allthe time, but just try to make
whoever they are feel welcome.
And that works about 90% of thetime.

(39:09):
Um, same idea goes here withthese videos, like Mike's
reacting to videos that are, inmy opinion, 99% of the time
someone just trying to betterthemselves.
And then it's all these I'm notgonna say Christian, but we'll
say faux religious folk um whoclaim they are walking,
following their religious rule,whatever it may be.

(39:31):
I'm sure it wasn't alwaysCatholic or Christian or
whatever, but um yeah, they thefirst one was down 240 pounds.

SPEAKER_06 (39:41):
Like I the first video that did really super
well, I think there was like 8million views on it.
It's the person was talkingabout how they lost 200 pounds,
240 pounds, and you can see thedifference from the before and
the after, and everybody's likethat's my weight, you know what
I mean?

SPEAKER_03 (39:57):
You lost that much.
Insane.

SPEAKER_06 (39:59):
And then if you go to her profile, she you can see
her face is totally different,her body's completely different.
I had been following her for awhile at that point, and I'd
gotten to see thetransformation, and it people
just won't let it happen.
But meanwhile, if she were topost a video and not talk about
the weight loss, all thecomments would be them saying,
Well, you gotta lose weight.
Like, my brother, she's doingit, she's doing it now.

(40:22):
She's like it's what more I I'vegot a couple of them in the tank
where there's somebody likeactually physically in the gym
doing the stair stepper.
You can see the difference fromthe before and after.
And these people are still like,you gotta do more.
You gotta do more.
She's there.
She's just catching it.

SPEAKER_03 (40:38):
What do you attribute that?
What do you attribute that tobeing?
Like, what do you think?
What is the reason?
Sorry, I'm taking off my Splendahat here.
Uh shadow Splenda, also lovethat.
Um, what do you attribute thatto being?
Like, what do you think thereason somebody leaves a hateful
comment is?
Because personally, and let mebe honest, I've had many

(40:58):
comments that I've left thathave rubbed people the wrong
way, for sure, but I've never inmy life left a like spiteful or
hateful comment.
Ever.
Even like I've written somewhack stuff on Twitter and
Facebook, you know, when itshows up on your memories,
whatever, like as a teenager.
But I'm still, even then, it'slike, haha, me and this person

(41:21):
are playing football.
And it's like, okay, cool.
Those, you know, back in thedays of uh what do they call
status updates on Facebook.
Um you're like, cool, this issuper cringe, but like whatever.
But I've never left a hatecomment.
I I feel free if you find one ofmy hate comments to tag me in
it.
If I have left one, and my andI'm left.

SPEAKER_07 (41:39):
That sounds like a challenge.
Hold on a second.

SPEAKER_03 (41:40):
Let's just well, thank you for bringing it up.

SPEAKER_06 (41:43):
Got this entire list here.
Have a seat.

SPEAKER_03 (41:45):
Yeah, my my thing is I'm genuinely curious.
I I don't know.
Like, I think it's like aninferiority complex, to put it
quickly, but I'm curious yourguys' thoughts on why you think
people do that.

SPEAKER_07 (41:57):
Rob, you have any thoughts?
It's it's hard to wrap my headaround as also somebody that
like I I don't see the purposeof putting hate out there like
that.
Um I try to be positive towardspeople.
Uh if people come at me, I giveit back to them equally.

(42:18):
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
No problems about that.
Yeah.
But but that's different.
I'm talking like I see somethingthat I absolutely hate, um, I'll
just skip it.
Like, there's no reason to evenleave a comment.

SPEAKER_02 (42:34):
Because that's how algorithms work, also.
Because you'll get that kind ofcontent more and more and more.

SPEAKER_06 (42:39):
Yeah.
I I am entrenched in this kindof content, of course, as
somebody who lost 110 pounds andhelps other people to do the
same thing.
And I've I've taken a slantagainst bullying um in in the
past.

SPEAKER_02 (42:52):
Coaching links in bio, by the way.
Coaching links in bio.
Mike needs a plan.
Coaching links in bio.

SPEAKER_06 (42:57):
Links and bio.
I I promise you I do not haveany supercars.

SPEAKER_03 (43:01):
I but but if you want to donate to my Movember
campaign, uh$2 is all you needto do.
Uh my beard uh is gone, butmustache is incoming, I swear to
God.
Um anyway, sorry.

SPEAKER_06 (43:12):
I can see it.
I see this double.
No, it's either you you'regetting there.

SPEAKER_07 (43:15):
Anyways, you were saying you've got that uh
17-year-old trying to grow itout kind of look with the
frosted tips, bullshit, yeah.
Pete fuzz.
Yeah, there we go.

SPEAKER_06 (43:24):
In sync is looking for you.
Anyway, yes, I so I was this II've come up with a couple of
reasons why it's happened.
And every once in a while I willpost a video asking people, in
all sincerity, if you aresomeone who hates this person
for their size or you feel theneed to comment, why?
What is compelling you to saysomething about this?

(43:45):
Is it threatening to you?
Do you feel as though if youdon't say something, it's
contagious, it'll come for you?
Um, is it cultural?
You did you just grow up hearingthis?
Um, do you have somebody thatshamed you for this kind of
thing?
And it's no one's ever given mea straight answer.
So they'll usually say, Well,bullying works, bro.

(44:06):
Or they'll say that they justwant to help or whatever, which
is not true.

SPEAKER_03 (44:09):
That's the worst one.
That I think that's the worstone.
But um, I I've had the moment,early 20s.
And look, look, I'm sure we allhave the moment.
We're not perfect, we'rejudgmental.
People are in general arejudgmental, they're always
criticizing things for whateverreason.
Um, and not like, you know,you're criticizing to learn
something new or like, hey, Idon't like that.
I'm gonna learn from that.

(44:30):
Like what for whatever reason,that's just how humans operate.
Um, and for me, I don't get ittwisted.
Like, there's a lot of peoplethat I'm like, oh, this guy
seems like a dick.
Um, and that is a criticism I'llhave in my head, and maybe I'll
share that with my close ones.
And then I'll think about it.
I'm like, am I saying thatbecause I'm jealous of them?
Like, I kind of had that thoughtprocess in my early 20s, I'll

(44:53):
say.
Is like, am I criticizing thisguy because he's got a Lambo and
I'm mad about it?
Sometimes the answer straight upwas yes, you know.
You're like, damn, this guy orthis guy looks like his life is
less struggles.
You know, this guy looks likebecause he scammed people out of
their money, whatever, orbecause he's sold so many
cookbooks that his life is soeasy.
You know, you're like, damn,maybe I'm the problem.

SPEAKER_07 (45:15):
Uh, and and then either way, I think I realized a
hidden slight towards GregDusset.

SPEAKER_03 (45:19):
No, I buy my cookbook.
Who who I don't know why youwould think that.

SPEAKER_05 (45:23):
Buy my terchesterone.

SPEAKER_03 (45:25):
Uh yeah, well, I'll I'll have a not so hidden
slight.
How are you gonna sellterchesterone for years and come
out and try to make a diss trackagainst Jeff Nippard?
That still blows my mind.
The irony of this man making aliving like that is you know,
whatever.
Make your living how you want tomake your living, but like don't

(45:46):
try to look like an try to be anangel, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_06 (45:49):
Uh speaking of fat shamers, you know, I I've seen
nothing but fat shamers.

SPEAKER_03 (45:53):
I feel like Greg Du Set is a pretty good Yeah, I was
gonna say I feel like Greg DuSet is a pretty good example of
a fat shamer.

SPEAKER_06 (46:01):
And the thing is, like, it if you're going to
criticize someone, offersomething that it like I I've
seen, I don't want to mentionnames because I don't want to
give them any more airtime thanthan they're already getting.
But there are some accountswhere it's not a coach, it's not
somebody who's had atransformation, it's not even
somebody in fitness.
They are just getting on to talkabout and stitching videos of

(46:23):
people who are heavier andsaying the most horrendous
things about them.
I I'll tell you the names of itafterward.
Because there's this one guy whoI'm like trying to figure out
how to address because he's it'she's not in our fitness space.
He doesn't offer anything,there's no like link, he's just
doing it for the sport.
And he's got like 600,000followers, and I don't get it.

(46:44):
He he's never offered advice,he's never offered a correction,
he just gets on and he talksabout how lazy and sloppy and
shitty.
How do you get like this?
How does it happen?
And he always in the commentswill say, like, well, I just
want them to improve.
I want them to help.
Or I want to help them.
Okay, well, why have you neveroffered you there's not even a

(47:04):
place for someone to come to youfor help?
Because you're not coaching.

SPEAKER_03 (47:08):
So what is this?
I actually I actually witnessedsomething quite interesting,
completely unrelated, but uh itit it it can relate here in a
sec.
Um I witnessed a completelyunrelated conversation where
somebody asked the mostdisarming question.
It was in person, uh, not to me,I just witnessed the
conversation.
And he just said, How do youintend to do that?
And the guy started goingbabbling through again.

(47:30):
I'm not gonna get into thisscenario, it's not really
important, but he just said, Howdo you intend to do that?
or how the question wasliterally just how.
So that's my favorite iswhenever I like see, oh, we're
just trying to help.
I'm just trying to help.
Okay, how and if you can't evenlike works, bro.
Well, right, and if that's thesolution, it's like does it?

(47:51):
How does it work?
How does it work?
What do they do?

SPEAKER_06 (47:54):
Because it's you know, these people did not go
into the gym knowing what to do.
I am only this size now becausesomebody took me under their
wing when I was at my heaviestand taught me shit and listened
to me.
It's I didn't uh he was just afriend of mine, and it wasn't
working with him for very long,but it that was the foundational
knowledge I needed to startlearning my own stuff.

(48:16):
Otherwise, you fall intodisinformation rabbit holes and
uh hell, you just may not stickwith it very long.

SPEAKER_07 (48:22):
And we even have science at this point showing
that negativity is not helpful.

SPEAKER_03 (48:28):
No, and and how having a training partner is
helpful, and how all of thesedifferent things, like we have
so many sorry, I should sayimmediately helpful.

SPEAKER_07 (48:38):
One of the greatest things you can do to help
somebody is train with them.

SPEAKER_06 (48:42):
Yeah.
We are social creatures, that'sour biological evolutionary
advantage as a species.
Our young are useless for thefirst 15 years of their lives.
We have only dominated theplanet for better or for worse
because of our proclivity forteamwork.
So it goes against every ourbiological imperative to be
hating aga on each other whenwe're trying to improve.

(49:05):
We need that community, we needpeople to help us.

SPEAKER_03 (49:08):
Yeah, I think for um, and you know, if if there's
anyone that cares to hear what Ihave to say on this, it's no
that I don't, I'm leaving.
Yeah, see you guys later.
Um the Mike actually leaves.
Mike actually leaves.
He's just he's like, I'll get mysteps elsewhere.
Fuck this.
Like, I always bring up theexample because it's pertinent
to me.
I grew up playing tennis.

(49:29):
Um, if you guys have ever triedto play tennis, or if anybody
listening has ever tried to playtennis, especially if you picked
it up for the first time as anadult, I can guarantee with a
99% certainty, you suck ass.
Plain and simple.
I'm gonna say it like that.
Absolute statement.
You probably suck ass.
Now, take that same energy andapply that to the gym on your

(49:52):
first time, especially if you'resomeone who is overweight.
Not even getting into thedynamic of like, do you fit?
You know, do you fit in theequipment?
Do you, you know, can you keepup?
Can you even walk at the slowestspeed?
You know, like all of thesethings, like leave that out of
it.
Just remember, like, picking upa sport as an able-bodied, good,
you know, maybe we'll call itnormal weight or whatever the

(50:15):
BMI is, your quote unquotenormal BMI for your height.
If you picked up a tennisracket, you would suck ass.
Even if I gave you the bestequipment, all of the best shit,
and good court time, good balls,good whatever, you would be
shit.
Even by the end of the firstday, a good lesson, you would
still be shit.
By the end of the first week,probably still shit.
By the end of the first year,you might be able to rally and

(50:37):
like maybe you get like a starton things, maybe you can hit the
ball back and forth, which isawesome.
But again, you're not uh RogerFederer type level or Novak
Djokovic, whomever you actuallyknow.
Serena Williams, right?
If you're more on that side ofthings, uh, you're never gonna
be at that level.
Never.
And so there's this interesting,you know, thing within fitness,

(50:59):
which is so strange to mebecause I've lived in
professional tennis and anddifferent levels of amateur
tennis, where in a variety ofdifferent roles, where I see
this and I'm like, okay, likepeople have this understanding,
like, I will never go pro.
You know, I'll never pick thisup and go pro.
Yet when you come into the gymand if you post something on

(51:20):
social media, you should neverlike you better be Chris
Bumstead.
You know what I mean?
And it's like there's only oneof him.
There's only one Roger Federer,there's only one Serena
Williams.
Like, this is the level, likeChris Bumstead is as successful
as he is.
He's quote, a legend.
I still don't think Chris iswhat Roger Federer is in tennis.

(51:40):
Chris is not what Tiger Woods isin golf.
Chris is not what SerenaWilliams is in tennis,
certainly.
Um, he does not have that levelof legend.
I'll argue with that at lengthwith anyone.
What he's done is crazy for hissport.
Yeah, for sure.
A lot of people easy to digest,easy to understand, yeah, um,
and relatable because anyone cananyone can lose weight, which I

(52:02):
love it for that reason.
And you know, that's not anargument I want to get into.
I think that's awesome.
But again, the point stillstands.
It's like for tennis, you comeinto it with this understanding
of like, okay, I'm gonna suck.
But for some reason, fitness islike, you what do you mean in
the first week you haven'tdropped those 300 pounds you
were trying to lose?
Like, yeah.
What do you mean in unit?

(52:24):
Yeah, what like that's a perfectexample.
Thank you.
What do you mean you came intothe gym and can't deadlift a
house?
Victim weight, like victimweight, yeah, victim weight.
Oh, yeah, that stuff too.
So that to me is like so funnybecause I'll always just say,
sorry, I'll say something like,sorry, are you a pro tennis
player?
And no one will understand whatI'm talking about, and then
they'll go off on their owntangent.

(52:45):
But that's kind of what I meanis like you'll never see in any
include, right?
Like whatever sport you play,basketball, football, whatever.
Football's another greatexample.
You throw a spiral on your firstthrow, probably not.
Um, for an American football Iwas talking about, not uh not
like a soccer ball.
But insert sport here thatrequires any amount of soccer

(53:07):
balls spirally.
My sport was URL gifted.
Your sport was chess?
Yes.
Still less.
That has to be the mostintimidating sport someone can
tell me is their their like mainsport.

SPEAKER_06 (53:18):
Oh, it's terrifying.

SPEAKER_07 (53:20):
Mike, and were you were you a grandmaster the first
time you played chest?

SPEAKER_06 (53:24):
No, absolutely.
Actually, the first game wasfantastic, and then every game
after that was it's victimweight.
What do you mean you're not agrandmaster?
What do you mean your pawn can'tbench 300?

SPEAKER_03 (53:34):
Yeah, it's like wait, you're it's you're telling
me your bishop can't move morethan just in the diagonal,
pussy.

SPEAKER_06 (53:42):
Yeah, that's called cheating, which is ultimately
what some of these people whoare complaining about victim
weight are doing.
They're cheating with drugs, andthat's one of the reasons why
everyone's perspective on whatwe should look like is so
warped, including my own.
I work here, I know that thesepeople are on drugs, I know
where they get their drugs.

(54:02):
I could have a needle in my assby the end of the week.
I could I all I have to do ismake a call to not.
I'll contact you after this, bythe way.
I got you.
Don't worry.
Yeah, thank you.
Appreciate it.
And it still fucks with me.
I know that it's fake.
I know that their insides aremelting, and I know that
statistically speaking, they'renot gonna make it through their
50s.
I'm still fucked up about it.

SPEAKER_03 (54:21):
Dude, I I'm on the back end, I know how much
lighting can impact things.
Like a good downlight, a gooddownlight with a light from the
side.
Dude, that changes everyone'sphysique.
That makes you go from like, ohgod, oh, I can kind of see your
abs to like what?
That literally makes you go.
Trust me, I'm a great example.
If you look at me head on,you're like, ah, you kind of

(54:44):
look like you live weights,maybe a little bit.
Then include a down light and alight from the side, all of a
sudden they're like, damn,you're shredded, bro.
Right?

SPEAKER_07 (54:50):
So it's like even that I turn off this light in
front of me and just leave onthe light in front of me or
above me?
Above.
Huge difference.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (54:59):
Yeah, this is the worst place to put me light.
Sorry?
I I need can you give me some ofthose lights that make me look
big?
Are you talking about downstairsor like in general big?
Yeah, both.
Okay, got I got you.

SPEAKER_02 (55:11):
Yeah, we can hook you up, Mike.
Yeah, thank you.
We'll we'll talk later.
Great.
Yeah, got it.
In the show notes below.
Check the show notes.

SPEAKER_06 (55:19):
Patreon content.
Lighting Microsoft.

SPEAKER_03 (55:22):
And if you guys want the extended cut, you you gotta
visit my Patreon.

SPEAKER_06 (55:27):
The the first ever Balsack bodybuilding
competition.

SPEAKER_03 (55:30):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (55:31):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (55:31):
Absolutely.

SPEAKER_07 (55:32):
What's the penis head muscle that you could
build?

SPEAKER_03 (55:36):
You know, as candidly, as a kid, I I used to
think so.
I used to genuinely think so.
You know that moment you realizewhen you can flex it?
That moment as a kid, when Irealized I could flex it, I was
like, damn, there's somethinghere.
Serpent.

SPEAKER_06 (55:50):
There's gotta be research on this.
Just train to failure,hypertrophy training.

SPEAKER_03 (55:55):
I don't know, but now I will look for it.
See, that's the thing, is like Ican be, I'm so decent at like
reading through and siftingthrough nutrition literature,
but the moment I try to gosomething in like in some route
that is not my own, in some lanethat is not my own, I actually
like am like a lost puppy.
I have no idea what what am Igonna search?
You know, and not only that, Idon't want search history, you

(56:16):
know.
Like, don't I'm not trying toget OnlyFans popping up.
I swear it's because of thissearch.
No kidding, kidding.
Um but yeah, no, I uh I did Idid think that anyway.
I'm gonna let this one fizzleaway and we'll just
conversation.

SPEAKER_06 (56:31):
No, we're waiting for the training plan, buddy.

SPEAKER_03 (56:34):
You gotta release that training 12-week eight
yeah, eight to twelve weekcourse on how to get jacked ball
sacks.

SPEAKER_07 (56:41):
For anybody that doesn't realize it yet, no, the
penis does not have muscle.
You you cannot get a jackedpenis.
Speak for yourself, brother.
But it would be cool.

SPEAKER_06 (56:50):
I'm going with Ed Sohovic's 12-week couch.

SPEAKER_03 (56:53):
You clearly haven't done the program, bro.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Damn.
Sorry.
And if you want to find theprogram, it's on grift.edin.com
backslash penis.

SPEAKER_06 (57:05):
Speaking of, where can everybody find you on all
the socials?

SPEAKER_03 (57:09):
So um all the socials, you can find me at
evidence nutrition.
Um, and then I also have acoaching platform uh where you
can find me at evidencenutrition coaching.com, or you
can find that in the link in mybio.
And then also I am doing a aMovember campaign that I'm
extremely passionate about.

(57:30):
Um I want to make more content.
And if anybody has any feedbackand is watching this and wants
to DM me feedback, they listenedthis far.
First of all, one, I appreciateit.
Um, but about how I can try topush the message a little bit
more because social media is alittle bit sensitive to using
like terms like suicide.
And um, and I really, you know,I really want to raise awareness

(57:52):
about it.
Uh, I've always been verypassionate about it.
I've been doing these Movembercampaigns with varying degrees
of success in different ways,right?
Some in person, some whatever.
So this year I have a$2,000 goaland I really want to crush it.
I don't have uh a lot of goodhistory with the Movember

(58:12):
website.
So it looks like it says thatI've been a member for six years
and I've only raised like a dogshit amount, which makes me feel
really bad.
But, anyways, if anybody candonate, that'd be great, or give
me feedback on how I can spreadawareness better using my
platform.
I would love to do that also.
That's free.
You don't have to donate forthat.
Or if you just follow, if youdon't already follow me and you

(58:33):
hit that follow button, I uh Iwill be donating a penny from
every single follower that Igain during this month.

SPEAKER_06 (58:38):
So I know you kind of insinuated it there, but just
to be clear, explain to peoplewhat Movember is and what it's
about.

SPEAKER_03 (58:45):
Oh yeah.
Um Movember, so thank you.
So Movember is me shaving off.
Normally I have a thick bushybeard, not quite like Rob, uh,
but you know, some little Tyke'sversion.
And so I shaved that off andshocked everyone.
And the the shock value is tohopefully grow a mustache um to

(59:06):
raise awareness about suicideprevention, or rather to raise
awareness about the amount ofsuicide that occurs in a year.
So hundreds of thousands of menare killing themselves every
single year globally.
Um, if it might be actuallycloser to the millions now.
And so I just kind of want tohelp raise awareness and also
hopefully some funds to providethem with resources to, you

(59:28):
know, know that they're notalone, that there is a place for
them.
Um, I hope my parents aren'twatching this because they tend
to watch every podcast that I'mon, but um yeah, I I've thought
about it many times, and that'sall I'll say.
So I'm glad I didn't.
I've had many opportunities thatwere offered to me.
So uh, and and I wouldn't havehad them if I uh if I chose

(59:51):
otherwise, let's put it thatway.
So yeah, so I've been verypassionate about it and trying
to turn people away fromsuicide.
And so it'd be really great tohit my goal of 2000.
Um, obviously, look, I candonate the 2000 and that's
great, but it's a personalchallenge to myself that I want
to I figure if I can get enoughto just yourself, you're not
actually spreading awareness.

(01:00:13):
Correct.
That's thank you.
Thank you.
That's the the real overarchingmessage here is like.
I would much rather I get$2donations from everyone and hit
my goal.
That would, to me, would begrand.
That would be crazy because thatthink about the amount of people
that have now listened to metalking about.

SPEAKER_07 (01:00:31):
Is that$2 Canadian or American?

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:34):
I think it's American.
I'm not sure though.

SPEAKER_07 (01:00:36):
It could be Canadian.

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:37):
It's the Movember it's Movember.ca.
Actually, it could be Canadian.
I'll uh let's hold on.
Hold on.

SPEAKER_07 (01:00:43):
I would want to say that's Canadian because it's
probably a base of$1 American.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:47):
Yeah, it's$2 Canadian.

SPEAKER_07 (01:00:51):
Let's get that goal.
Let's do it.
That'd be great.

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:55):
So we're currently we're currently at$350.
Um so that's awesome.
$350 out of$2,000.
So if we could get that up, thatwould be awesome.
And again, if you don't have itin the case.

SPEAKER_07 (01:01:08):
Six of our listeners, every one of you
donate an American dollar.
Yes.
Or two Canadian dollars.

SPEAKER_03 (01:01:14):
That would be fantastic.
Or two Canadian dollars.
Yeah.
And so um and and just put pitstains.
That's how we know where youguys stay.
There we go.
Perfect.
The description will be pitstains.
Donate in the name of pitstains.
That's right.
Um, but yeah, that's that'ssomething that uh I don't know.
I I am quietly passionate about,right?

(01:01:36):
Like I don't actively talk aboutit maybe enough.
You know, that and diabetes,people tell me I don't talk
about that enough.
And I'm like, guys, I don't haveenough time in the day.
I work full time, I have peopleforget that I make content like
in my spare time.
Um, so I I obviously want totalk about it more.
So if anybody has creativeideas, shoot them my way.
I love it.
Constructive feedback, I loveit.

(01:01:57):
Um, but yeah.
And if anybody can't donatebecause they don't have the
funds.
That is absolutely fine.
Just make sure you're followingme.
So, or get someone to follow meif you're already following me.
Cool.
Awesome.
I'm gonna get my cat to followyou.
Please.
I mean, that's an addedfollower.
I'm gonna unfollow you so I canre-follow you.
Oh, perfect.
Perfect.
Fucking get your burner accountsand start following me.

SPEAKER_06 (01:02:20):
Well, I think that's um that's a good place to leave
off, huh?
I don't know.
You tell me.
You're still walking.
Yeah, you feel like some cottagecheese or what?
So I think now it's it'sprobably a good time to start
recording.
Perfect.

SPEAKER_03 (01:02:32):
All right.
Well, at least now the pitstains are here, so we can we
can work with it.
By the way, I've had my uhchicken salad here waiting for
me.
It was a good practice podcast.

SPEAKER_07 (01:02:43):
Oh, well, then you should probably eat that.
And we should probably saygoodbye.

SPEAKER_03 (01:02:47):
Maybe.

SPEAKER_07 (01:02:48):
I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 (01:02:49):
It's fine.
This was well worth it.
And now I can fill up the bowlwith more chicken salad.

SPEAKER_07 (01:02:54):
So that's the real win here.
We're all winning today.

SPEAKER_03 (01:02:57):
Especially on the end, though, we're all winning
today.

SPEAKER_07 (01:02:59):
To end this off, though, donate to the Movember
campaign.

SPEAKER_03 (01:03:03):
Absolutely, dude.
You know, uh, if if you could doone of two things, that
whichever one brings you themost value and joy and validity
in life, hire Mike for coachingor donate to my page.
That's it.
Don't even don't don't don'tcome to me for coaching.
Actually, you can also, but likedon't, you know, I just want the
two dollars.

(01:03:24):
But don't.
You can, but don't.
Honestly, if you I'll ignore younow.

unknown (01:03:28):
I'm kidding.

SPEAKER_03 (01:03:28):
I'm kidding.
But I did have a question that Iwanted your viewers to to
answer.
I know it's like very end of theepisode, so people have probably
clicked off by now.
But if there is anyone left,yeah, the real fans.
Um I'm curious, what is yourfavorite hack to get your fiber
in?
But specifically, specifically,not don't tell me some fucking

(01:03:49):
carb tortilla bullshit.
Don't tell me that.
I want to know your favoritefood-related, and obviously,
sorry.
Yeah, I'll I'll include, I'llallow the tortilla, but
food-related way of getting yourfiber in.
But be creative.

SPEAKER_07 (01:04:03):
As opposed to uh suppository way to get your
fiber in.

SPEAKER_03 (01:04:06):
Correct.
Uh yes.
Exactly.
Um, a food-related way that isgetting you the most different
types of fiber.
What's your hack?
What do you got?
I'd love to hear anysuggestions.
Not that I need any more, butit's it always, you know, you
can always use some more.
Who knows?
People come up with really funideas.

SPEAKER_06 (01:04:26):
Get your fiber.

SPEAKER_07 (01:04:27):
I'm really hoping somebody writes in with the
suppository way to get fiber in.

SPEAKER_06 (01:04:33):
And it's like a fucking fiber enema.
Snorting lines of Metamusle oneafter the next.
Dude, I can't breathe out of myown.

SPEAKER_01 (01:04:40):
You don't have an enema of your Metamusile?
What the fuck?

SPEAKER_06 (01:04:42):
Metamusle enema, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:04:44):
Oh yeah.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (01:04:45):
We sell those on the in moderation website, right?
What else do you guys sellthere?
Use code kind to check out toget fifteen percent off your
next Metamusle enema.

SPEAKER_02 (01:04:54):
Use code ass to get that would be so good.