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July 30, 2024 23 mins

In today's episode of the Integrated Wisdom Podcast, I explore some interesting spiritual themes I spotted whilst watching Inside Out 2 recently.

Some of the themes I explore include:

- the benefits of embracing all of our emotions
- the importance of embracing the complexity of human beings
- how spiritual by-passing and toxic positivity undermine our resilience and spiritual growth

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Tatiana (00:00):
Welcome to the Integrated Wisdom Podcast.
I am your host, Tatyana DaSilva.
Join me as we discuss what itmeans to live an integrated life
and explore ways for you tocreate a life filled with
greater meaning, peace, andconnection by integrating the
wisdom of spirituality,psychology, Neuroscience,

(00:26):
Epigenetics and EnergyPsychology are hoped to empower
you to create deeper and moreloving connections with yourself
and others, whilst also pavingthe way for humanity at large to
be reimagined and inspired tobecome the very best version of
itself.

(00:48):
Hello, and welcome to theintegrated wisdom podcast.
Thank you so much for joining mefor yet another week.
So the other day, I went to themovies with my sister and my
little niece.
And we went to, to watch insideout to.
I had been completely enamoredwith the very first inside out

(01:09):
when it came out years ago.
I thought they had done abrilliant job.
In explaining the inner workingsof our brain, our emotions, how
the interact with.
What we experienced and shape,shape us.
Oh, attitudes, our personality.
Our experiences.

(01:30):
I thought they really did abrilliant job.
And I think most therapists,psychologists, psychiatrists,
neuroscientists, would agreethat they really took the time
to.
To get the details right.
And illustrate it in a way thatwas very accessible for, for
people.
And for those who have seeninside out, there's some
beautiful.
I think guiding principles.

(01:52):
In this movie about ourrelationship to our emotions.
And I wanted to speak to Thesetwo movies today, particular,
because I think there are suchgreat parallels for our
spiritual journey.
In life.

(02:12):
I speak a lot about the factthat we're souls having a human
experience.
And I speak a lot about the factthat our essence, you.
And our spiritual essenceinteracts with the person that
we are, the character that we'replaying in this life.
Which I think is another reasonwhy psychology and spirituality
integrate so well.
Right.
You almost need to have the twolenses coming together to help

(02:35):
us understand some of the thingsthat are driving us.
I think.
Inside out and inside out two.
is Speaking to the depth andbreadth of the human experience.
And without maybe even realizingor meaning to.
They are highlighting thespiritual elements Of life that.

(02:59):
We're navigating.
And so I wanted to speak tothat.
Today.
So I'm going to speak as thoughyou haven't watched the movie
and if you have.
It would be obviously.
You'll know what I'm referringto, but I'm going to speak to
the broader audience in casethere's any listeners.
Who don't know the story.
So the very first inside-outthat came out a few years ago.

(03:21):
Followed the life of a younggirl, Riley.
who's 12 years old.
As she navigated, moving into,moving into a new city, trying
to navigate a whole new life,leaving everything behind that.
She knew her friends, her homeher hockey team.
And.
the premise of the movie is toreally demonstrate the inner

(03:44):
workings of our brain.
How our emotions shape a littlebit.
How we experience life, but alsohow we integrate the experiences
that we have.
That ultimately shape.
Our personalities, our values,our attitudes and beliefs.
And.
The story revolves around thefact that as a 12 year old,

(04:08):
Riley has.
Five key emotions.
Joy.
Sadness.
Fear.
Anger and disgust.
Basic innate emotions.
And interestingly at that point,Joy.
Kind of is the team leader ofthe pack, right?

(04:30):
She's running the show.
She, she determines how memoriesare integrated, what memories
are chosen, She helps Riley dealwith situations.
In, in lots of different ways,but she mistakenly believes that
the only thing that Riley needsis to feel joyful all the time.
As long as she's happy all thetime.

(04:52):
There's nothing to worry about.
And she spends most of moviefighting really, really hard.
To stop Riley from feeling thegrief and loss.
That relocating to a new city.
Has sparked for her.
Joy doesn't understand.
That.
There is a place for grief thatthere is a place for sadness.

(05:14):
Right that.
It's an emotion that.
Is necessary for us to honor andprocess.
In order to really integrate theexperiences that we have that
might be challenging.
And in trying to suppresssadness and the grief that
Riley's feeling.
It just creates chaos.
Creates chaos internally, but italso creates chaos externally

(05:38):
because it leads Riley to try torun away from home.
And just feeling really confusedby all these warring emotions
inside her.
And when we get to theconclusion of inside out, One,
the first one.
Okay.
The moral of the story is thatsadness has a place.
Joy recognizes that sadness hasa place in helping Riley's

(06:02):
healthy development.
Right that we don't develop ashealthy.
Full complex human beings.
With only some of our emotions,we need access to all of our
emotions, all of our emotionalexpressions, including the
painful ones.
They have a place too, theyserve a purpose.
And when we incorporate thoseemotions and they work together

(06:24):
and we honor all of them.
That is the foundation forhealthy development and for a
thriving human.
So that was a beautiful takeawayat the end of that first one.
And.
When we get to Inside out two,which just came out.
Currently it's currently incinema still.

(06:44):
We follow Riley as shetransitions into teenage hood.
Right.
Which for those of us who stillremember.
It was a bloody tough time.
It was probably the hardest timewe have to live through.
Really like many people live,look back on adolescence,
wistfully.
As a time of freedom and fun,but really it's because half of
us have forgotten how tough itreally is.

(07:06):
To be a teenager, all of asudden you're.
So self-conscious.
You're acutely aware ofeverything about you and your
place in the world.
And everything feels uncertainand uncomfortable.
And.
Embarrassing and even shamefulin some ways and confusing.
It's a tough time.
Like you could not give meenough money to go back to be a

(07:29):
teenager again.
Um, and inside out twodemonstrates that complexity and
that turmoil so beautifully.
'cause all of a sudden, as Rileyenters adolescence, she goes
from having just those five coreemotions of joy, sadness, anger,
fear, and disgust.

(07:50):
To having some more complex,emotions that signal.
Now she's a teenager and thingsare going to get a little bit
more tricky.
And one of those emotions isanxiety.
The other three, play a littlebit more of a.
Uh, I guess you could say asecondary role.
W which is envy embarrassment.

(08:11):
And Ennui or, you know, thatkind of weariness that sometimes
you get from teenagers that sayssort of.
Boredom and apathy.
But really, as she, as finallybecome the teenager, anxiety
starts to become a little bitmore prominent in.
The way that she navigates theworld, because she starts to
develop these really unique typeof self-consciousness.

(08:34):
That doesn't really exist.
Up until we become a teen and,you know, there's all the
hormonal changes that happen.
At that time.
Cause us to stoparteeling very,very aware our place in the
social structure of our lives.
Right.
We cease to focus so much on ourfamily of origin and start to
care much more about how we fitsocially with our peers.

(08:56):
So this movie demonstratesbeautifully how Riley.
It starts to become,self-conscious how her emotions
are a little bit.
Chaotic and all over the place,because there's so much change
and turmoil going on.
Um, even for the originalemotions that are there,
everything's very confusing.
They're not, they're not quitesure what's going on, what all

(09:18):
this means for Riley and forthem and their role in her life
and how they've shaped herpersonality.
And immune side to send out to,they start to really demonstrate
the development of personalityand self.
The core beliefs that we developin.
Kind of have guiding our self ofsense of self or sense of
self-worth.

(09:39):
The beliefs and attitudes thatwe hold.
About who we are as a person onthe world, in the world.
Who we are as a person in theworld.
And.
When anxiety shows up.
Again, the.
The purpose of anxiety.
It's an emotion that has aplace, right?

(10:00):
It is it's designed to helpanticipate.
Potential problems and keep ussafe.
Like everything that our braindoes.
It's primary goal is to keep ussafe.
And, and well, and functioningto the best of our ability, but
sometimes, you know, itmisfires.
It misinterprets what danger isand.

(10:21):
Much like in the first movie.
Anxiety.
He seems to think that she hasall the right answers for how to
keep Riley safe.
And starts taking charge incontrol of all the other
emotions and suppressing allthe, all the positive.
Uh, associations that Riley hadwith other aspects of her life

(10:41):
starts to.
I guess undermine the structuralfor personality that had been
developed up until that point.
And almost starts to.
Shape Riley's believed that shehas to.
changed who she is.
Well, I don't want to give awaythese pointless for those of you
who haven't seen inside out two.
Like I highly, highly, highlyrecommend.

(11:03):
That you watch it.
And if you haven't watched thefirst one, watch that first one
too, because they're just themost beautiful movies.
They really do.
celebrate The beauty.
and the complexity that existsin being a human being.
So I highly highly recommendit..
I don't want to give spoilersaway.
But in essence, We start to seehow.

(11:27):
This is conflict that happensfor, for the emotions running
Riley, but also for like, as aconsequence of these emotions
fighting between themselves andfighting for control and how to
shape Riley's experiences, whatthey think is best for Riley.
She starts to develop differentbeliefs and attitudes about
herself and how she sees herselfin the world.

(11:48):
That are contradictory, right.
She starts to recognize, oh,okay.
There are some good things aboutme.
There are some bad things aboutme and there's a war between
these sides.
As though she can only be one orthe other.
All right.
And all of us have had momentslike that where our mind
sometimes can be.
Uh, Very good atovergeneralizing and filtering.

(12:11):
Through negatives or positives,depending on what's driving us
in that moment.
Right.
Like we can look at ourselves inblack and white terms and think
that we have to be one or theother.
A lot of time.
When the reality is.
We have very, very complex andmultiple sides of us exist.
Within us, we all have good,good traits.

(12:32):
Good qualities.
We all have the capacity for itto be good people.
At certain times.
It's in circumstances, but weall have the capacity for flaws
as well.
We all have things about usthat.
We may not be necessarily proudof.
There's still a work inprogress.
But that are equally true of us.

(12:53):
Right.
Now constant quest to, to growand develop.
There was always things that weneed to be working on or the, in
ourselves.
And we have these littlequalities and.
Traits that might be.
Um, not ideal.
Uh, things that we would changeabout ourselves, if we could.

(13:15):
But.
You know, they still shape whowe are and they still shape how
we show up in the world.
And I think that was a beautifultakeaway from inside out two
that.
It starts to really.
Illustrate so beautifully.
That as human beings, we arecomplex.
We have good, good parts.
We have some not so good parts.

(13:36):
Right.
We have strengths.
We have weaknesses.
We have quality.
We have flaws.
That is the human existencesummed up.
Right?
We are made up of a whole bunchof things.
And they all play a role.
And if we try to deny aspectsand elements of ourselves, It
causes chaos.
It causes suffering.

(13:58):
Right.
It makes things messier thanthey would be if we just embrace
these parts of ourselves.
And, and looked at ourselves,honestly.
And owned these, all thesedifferent elements of who we
are.
And psychologically speaking, Weknow that.
Teaching people.
to.

(14:19):
Recognize the two.
Oh, seemingly opposite thingscan be true at the same time.
Right that there is this greatstrength.
Uh, and flexibility,psychological flexibility that
comes from being able to acceptthat two things can be true at
the same time, even though theyseem contradictory.

(14:39):
As an example.
Like I can.
Absolutely love my puppy todeath.
And at the same time, sometimeswe do still have my
opportunities with.
Independence on my own and myown thinking time, which.
I don't have much of these daysanymore.
Right.
Those two things can beabsolutely true.

(15:00):
It's not either a love my puppyor I hate my puppy because I
want to be.
Having.
The quiet, independent time.
I can, I can love himdesperately and think about him
when I'm not with you, in whichI do.
But also.
Crave some of that alone timethat I used to value and cherish
because as an introvert, I needsolitude to help process and

(15:25):
recharge.
So teaching our clients or as,as consumers learning the
ability to navigate.
These dichotomy of this dyad.
Is so important in buildingresilience in building.
Psychological flexibility inbeing able to navigate life with

(15:45):
greater ease and less suffering.
If we look at what's going on inthe world right now.
We have a polarized world wherepeople have bought into the
mistaken belief.
That you have to either be oneor the other.
Right.
That we're, that we're notcomplex in that life.
Isn't complex, that everythingshould be really simple and easy

(16:07):
to put into neat little boxesand that these boxes never
overlap.
And that's just not true.
And the more we buy into thismyth.
The more suffering we're seeingin the world, the more conflict
we're seeing in the world.
Which brings me to the spiritualessence of these movies.
Right.
When I, when I thought, when Iwas watching it and I was.

(16:27):
Really relishing, how theyillustrated the fact that.
We are made out of qualities,flaws.
Good and bad.
It speaks to not just this humanexperience, but ultimately.
The spiritual experience thatwe're here having.
Right.
The fact that we, as part of ourspiritual journey, our spiritual
evolution.

(16:48):
We need to acknowledge some ofthe negative things that are
there that we may not like.
Right.
They're still serving a purposein shaping our experience, but
in shaping out development.
And.
I don't think you can have.
True spiritual growth.
If you deny these other parts ofyourself that are not ideal, in

(17:11):
fact, And if you deny yourselfaccess to situations, That
challenge you that are painful.
In previous episodes I've spokenabout.
You know, the spiritualbypassing, which in
psychological terms, people talkabout toxic positivity.
We lose a lot from.
Believing that we should onlyhave.

(17:32):
easy experiences.
easy emotions right.
Like easy relationships.
Of course.
Ideally we would want positiverelationships.
Right.
And we want.
I'm not saying that we should beembracing toxic relationships.
What I'm talking about is thefact that some of our growth,
some of our development willcome from navigating.

(17:54):
Uncomfortable interactions withother people.
Uncomfortable emotions elicitedin us by other people.
And if my way of coping withthese things is to just cut all
that out of my life.
I am losing opportunities forgrowth.
Right.
And I am losing the veryresilience that we need to

(18:16):
navigate life.
and so I thought that the, eventhough this movies is speaking
in our neuroscientific andpsychological terms, there is
absolutely this spiritual.
Undertone.
That.
Encompasses what it means to bea human being or what it means
to be.
A soul having a humanexperience.

(18:38):
And so I just wanted to sharethat with you today.
To think about that.
Reflect on the.
Your relationship to youruncomfortable emotions.
Your relationship to the partsof you that maybe you're not
particularly.
Happy with or proud of.
And think about.
You know what.
What lesson could be coming fromthat?

(18:58):
What.
What.
Positive information.
It could be coming from that.
If we see all of our emotions,Right.
As tools and resources that aidus in navigating life.
If you see all the experiencesthat we have as tools to
navigate life and ourdevelopment, both as a human and

(19:19):
as, as, and as a soul.
How can we harness the best thathe has to offer us?
The positive that we can takefrom it.
How can I grow from theseemotions, experiences,
relationships.
You know, Just as an example, tohelp you with your reflection
and emotion, that a lot ofclients will bring into the

(19:42):
room, but a very, very ashamedto speak of.
Is envy.
Which is interesting because youknow, that's one of the emotions
that Riley develops as a teen.
And.
We see feeling envious assomething to be really ashamed
of.
Right.
Only bad people.
Feel envy.

(20:03):
But again, if we take a neutralstance with our emotions, if we
don't see them as either good orbad, but only as signals only as
data.
For what we need.
envy takes on a completelydifferent form.
Right.
Envy.
Isn't about wanting you for theother person.
It's signaling to us what it is.
We want more of.

(20:24):
Well, what we want less off,right?
It's information aboutourselves.
To help us make decisions thatare more aligned without
essence.
With what calls to us.
That's just one example.
Another example is anger.
Another emotion that people havea really tricky relationship
with.
What is our, anger telling uswhen we feel it.

(20:47):
Right.
It's not telling us that we're abad person.
Often it's telling us that oneof us, our needs aren't being
met.
How boundaries have beenviolated.
So I want you to reflect on thatand I invite you to have a
different relationship.
With, with your Martians.
So many people these days.
I struggle with.

(21:08):
Sitting in the discomfort oftheir humanness.
And it, and it comes at a hugecost.
So I hope that you, you canreflect on some of these.
I would love to hear yourexperiences with this.
If you, if you do see it inreflect on that.
Uh, you can always reach me.
Athello@integratedwisdom.com.au.

(21:31):
Hello@integratedwisdom.com.au,you can email me or you can also
find me on Instagram atintegrated underscore wisdom.
You can send me a DM there.
But yeah, I.
I would love to hear from you.
And I hope that you.
Again, if you haven't seen thesemovies.
I encourage you to go and watchthem.
And if you have, I would love tohear what you think.

(21:53):
Can you see some of the thingsthat I'm talking about?
What did you take away from it?
I'd love to hear from you.
And so that's all I have for youthis week.
I hope you will have a lovelyweek and we'll speak next.
Time.
Thank you for tuning in to thisepisode of Integrated Wisdom.
It is my sincere wish thattoday's episode may have

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becoming more fully integratedspiritual beings.
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