November 9, 2025 • 49 mins
We invite strategist and soul whisperer Taryn Voget to unpack why excitement is a reliable GPS for purpose and how to dismantle the beliefs that keep us stuck. We share tools, stories, and a simple lens to move from burnout to a truer expression of genius.
• excitement as practical guidance for purpose
• Taryn’s path from consulting to the Genius Lab
• mixing neuroscience, strategy and energy work
• burnout warnings and the role of rest
• the 30-ideas list and 90-day challenges
• ego-driven hustle versus inner-led desire
• how beliefs script fear and resistance
• paradox of gifts hiding under deepest doubts
• second-person exercise to unlock your voice
• saying yes to a new expression of genius
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
Good day out there to all of my listeners, and I want
to welcome you to Is Your Wayin Your Way.
That's the name of the podcastfor those new listeners out
there.
And I'm your host, and my nameis Cassandra Crawley Mayo.
And for those new listeners,the title of my book is Is Your
(00:47):
Way in Your Way?
And we talk about topicsrelated to personal improvement,
business improvement, and alsotopics that will enable you to
do some self-reflection.
So if you think about thethings that you really want to
do and you're stuck and youcan't figure out why, that's
what this podcast is all about.
Because it's time, it is timeto finally say yes to your
(01:13):
genius.
And let me ask you this (01:14):
have you ever had a sinking feeling
you're doing everything right,but still something is off?
Like you're spinning yourwheels, you're stuck in a cycle,
and you can't quite put yourfinger on it.
Or have you ever felt likethere's something bigger inside
you, something that's meant todo, but you can't figure out how
(01:37):
to access it?
Like, like what's holding youback?
And who you see on our screenis my special guest, Taryn
Voget.
And also, what we're gettingready to do now is we're gonna
do like what I'm calling atransformational journey rooted
in faith designed forpurpose-driven women, ready to
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stop spinning their wheels andstart living their best lives.
Hello, Taryn Wilget.
What a pleasure to have you onmy show.
Oh, thank you so much forhaving me.
I am really looking forward toour conversation.
Yeah, so listen, what I'd liketo do first is to read your bio
because my listeners are alwayscurious.
Well, who is she to talk aboutsaying yes to your genius?
(02:22):
So I am going to read it sothey can see what qualifies you
to do so.
Now, Taryn is a strategist,she's a coach and a soul
whisperer who helps peopleunlock the brilliance buried in
their subconscious, shipped,long-held mental patterns and
realign with their deeperpurpose.
(02:43):
This is gonna be so good.
With a rare fusion ofneuroscience, corporate
strategy, intuitive healing, andshamanic wisdom, she guides
high performers and seekersalike into profound clarity.
(03:04):
As the founder of the GeniusLab, she offers something far
beyond therapy or businesscoaching.
She delivers transformation atthe intersection of intellect
and intuition.
If you feel stuck, now let mesay it again.
If you feel stuck, overwhelmed,or unsure about your next
(03:24):
chapter, this episode is yourinvitation to a breakthrough.
Wow, guys, this is this isgonna be good.
So, what I what I usually say,if you're sitting down
somewhere, write notes.
If you're driving, just knowthat you can replay this and
also know to share it withindividuals where you know this
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will be in their best interestto listen to.
And so, Taryn, let me ask you,even though I read what you do,
what you're about, what is yourbackstory before you became your
before your genius lab wascreated?
What was going on with you?
Speaker 2 (04:06):
So I, after college, went right into consulting.
I worked for a big consultingfirm, Accenture.
And for yeah, for a lot ofyears, I just did these big
corporate transformationprojects, big global complex
transformation projects.
And I did that.
I started my own consultingfirm when I was 28, still doing
the same kind of work, justunder my own banner.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
And then I woke up one day, I was probably about
30, and I thought, I'm tired,I'm burned out, I'm working way
too many hours, and I'm workingon everybody else's projects,
not mine.
And so for about a year, I justkept thinking, gosh, what am I
gonna do?
I want to build something new,I want to build something that's
mine, I want to build somethingno one's done before.
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And I had no idea what that is,by the way.
And I kept thinking about allthese ideas.
And simultaneous to this, I wastaking um a bunch of classes on
the weekends around uhbehavioral science and
neuroscience, because I find thetopic really interesting.
And then one day I was drivingto this class that I ended up
becoming a coach in, and thisflash of lightning just hit my
(05:09):
head over the Golden GateBridge.
I mean, not a literal flash,but you know, it was like boom.
And I saw the whole idea forthe Everyday Genius Institute.
I saw the name, I saw what itwas gonna do, how I was gonna do
it.
And it was this idea that Iwould take people that are
really brilliant at what theydo, deconstruct how they do it
and reverse engineer theirgenius, and then package it back
up into a book and a DVD setthat would then teach people how
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to do anything from winetasting to study strategies to
talking to kids.
And I had a bunch of productsthat I then went on to build and
create around that.
So I really deeply got tounderstand how genius works, and
uh, and that's where the geniuslab was born.
And uh that for a bunch ofyears, yeah.
(05:52):
And then it was one of thosethings where I kind of ran out
of money because I think Iunderestimated how much money it
takes to actually run a productbusiness.
And this was kind of before itwas sort of that weird
intersection where DVDs werestill hot, but they were kind of
fading out, and and the onlinetools just weren't what they are
right now.
This is 15 years ago.
And so I just was like, youknow, I'm kind of out of money,
(06:13):
I'm really tired.
I was doing it for about four,four and a half years, put
everything I had into it, and Iwent on a walkabout.
I sold everything, and Ithought I would take six months
off.
It ended up being two and ahalf years.
In that time, I ended upgetting into executive coaching.
Um, and actually, SpaceX was myfirst client, crazy enough.
So there I was coaching rocketscientists.
It was a wild, it was a wildride.
(06:33):
Um and uh and I I went backinto the corporate world, but
with a very different skill setand a very different approach
and a very different sort ofthing I was doing, which was
really helping leaders andexecutives and companies take
whatever they were doing to thenext level.
And uh I did that, and thenabout a year ago, it just kind
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of kept knocking at my door.
You need to kind of redoeveryday genius, but do it
differently this time.
And so I don't want to say Irestarted because it never left,
but I just sort of put newenergy into everyday genius and
got my YouTube channel back up.
I've done a bunch of videos,got the genius lab kind of fired
back up in a very cool way.
Um, I've actually never offeredthe genius lab to just anybody
(07:18):
who wants it, but I I made thatoffering available and that's
been really interesting.
Uh and so anyway, so so I hereI am, you know, still doing
genius, but my real passion inthe process of all of that, the
part I kind of forgot was I wentto shaman school.
And I went to shaman schoolbecause I thought if I could
just develop my intuition, Icould really deconstruct
someone's genius better.
That was my thought.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Uh-huh.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
What ended up happening was I actually learned
how to help people change theirlimiting beliefs, have deep
personal transformation, healout trauma and wounds that stop
people.
And so it was a skill set thatI brought into executive
coaching and I bring into mywork.
So whenever somebody works withme, they get what's your
genius, but also the removal ofblocks that are getting in the
way.
So it really, yeah.
(07:59):
Now listen, what is shamanschool?
What is that?
So if you think about shamans,it was really the name for
healers in villages.
And every village for a longtime had a healer, and it was
for physical ailments, mentalailments, spiritual ailments,
make it rain, whatever it was,right?
They were people that were justfabulous hears.
And shamans, I think it's avery broad term for a lot of
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different kinds of healingmodalities, but just call it a
healer.
And it's actually not calledshaman school, it's called
healing the light body.
Um, and it's through the FourWinds Society, but it's really
about how to create deeptransformation using a lot of
energetic tools if you know howto tap into that.
And so I learned how to do itand then added on my own take on
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it.
And I think my work has gottenmuch quicker because I've kind
of figured out ways to make itdeeper and faster.
Okay.
But it's really about helpingpeople um create a
(09:12):
transformation so that they canstep into the next best version
of themselves.
Right.
Speaker (09:16):
Now, in the beginning, it it sounds like
transformation, transtransforming was a sweet spot
for you.
In the beginning, what was itabout transformation that was so
intriguing?
Speaker 2 (09:35):
What's interesting to me about transformation is that
I think there's this humandesire to always go to the next
level, whatever that is.
And I just really enjoy theenergy of going from wherever
someone is or a company is or ateam is to the next best thing.
And the thing I love abouttransformation is the energy of
excitement.
It's like my favorite juicyenergy.
(09:56):
And often in a transformation,there is excitement to do the
next best thing.
And I just love that energy andand helping, like I said,
people, teams, and companies gofrom that to this excited
energy.
And I just love that.
Speaker (10:09):
Oh wow, wow, that I I get that.
Let me ask you about you talkedabout uh G your excitement and
the GPS for your destiny.
What is GPS for your what isGPS?
What's that one for?
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Yeah, so here's what I've discovered both in the
genius lab and just working withliterally thousands of people
at this point is that wheneversomebody is doing what excites
them, and excitement is acharged word for people.
Some people call it passion,some people call it curiosity,
some people call it interest.
But that thing that just kindof is like, ooh, that's cool.
When that energy is present, itis a it is a potent energy
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because here's what it does itcreates the momentum to actually
do the work, whatever the workis.
And it doesn't always have tobe a paid job, right?
It can be a passion, a hobby, aside hustle, uh taking care of
kids, you know, raising kids,like it could be anything.
It doesn't really matter whatit is, whether it gets paid or
not, but there's interest,there's curiosity, there's
passion.
This podcast for you issomething that you find
interesting.
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Whenever that energy ispresent, some really cool things
happen.
It's a very high vibrationalstate.
You know, if you think abouthow you feel, you know, excited
is like, oh God, that's a goodone.
You know, love is a good one,you know, sad and depressed.
That's really bomb.
When you're in that highvibrational energy, a bunch of
things happen.
Number one, you get betterideas, you're tapped more into
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the bigger field of ideas.
So better things come to you.
Number two is greatersynchronicities happen because
the universe loves nothing morethan to create that kind of
energy.
So you get more synchronicitieswhen you're in that energy of
excitement.
And it also, interestinglyenough, brings up anything
within you that is not that tobe transformed.
It's kind of like if you werein a dark room and you start
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shining the light, you startseeing the shadow more.
And so that's true within us aswell.
When we start raising ourenergy and our vibration, the
things that are holding us backor getting in our way become
really apparent.
And we've kind of got to workthrough them to then get to the
next level.
And so it's kind of thiscomplete package.
Excitement is kind of acomplete package, it's the fuel
(12:12):
for greatness, it's thevibrational state for ideas and
synchronicities, and it's alsothe state to create
transformation for us to takeeverything in our life to the
next level.
Oh, and so that is thefoundational element of what I
call genius.
Now, people think genius isthis big thing and it's way
outside them, and they don'thave it, but that is actually
not true.
Einstein, right?
Yeah, everybody thinks that itis not true.
(12:33):
I say that you know, everybodyhas a genius.
We're all in the process ofgeniusing.
At some point, it looks like itis genius.
Speaker (12:42):
That's Max.
My listeners know Max, and Iapologize.
Sometimes he's quiet, but Ithink he's feeling the energy.
And Max, you wake up.
Yeah, come on in, Max.
We'll take you a bring yourlittle genius off, Max.
Yeah, yeah.
Okay, I'm sorry.
Okay, all right.
(13:06):
Oh, how distressed.
Max has something to say.
Yeah, he always has somethingto say.
Um, I apologize, listeners, andto Taryn, and hopefully she
hasn't lost her train ofthought.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Well, what I would what I would say to the
listeners is back to genius, isthat in my experience, the
foundational element of geniusis passion and excitement,
curiosity, the word you want touse, whatever it is.
Locking into that unlockseverything brilliant within us.
And so it it really is abouttapping into that.
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And I think a lot of us, myselfincluded, have told ourselves a
lot of stories about why wecan't do that.
And sometimes we hide ourexcitement even from ourselves.
Okay, and that is is true forfor many, many people that I
work with.
Speaker (13:58):
Yeah, yeah.
Let me ask you, how can onefind that gene?
Like, like what do you sharewith your clients on how to find
because everybody a lot ofpeople talk about my purpose?
Like, what is my purpose?
What is it that I should bedoing?
(14:19):
You know, they're so fixated onthat and not even understanding
what they're currently doing isprobably their purpose at that
time and how it can change.
Um, so those people likelisteners, some of my listeners
who are stuck and and would lovethe energy that you and I are
having, what would you suggestthey do to move forward?
Speaker 2 (14:41):
So, purpose is interesting.
And here's what I've discoveredabout purpose, because this
took me a long time to figureout.
And I kept asking myself thatquestion God, I feel like
there's a purpose.
And if I just knew what it was,then I could get on track.
Right.
Then I could be doing my thing.
And then I had a light bulbmoment, and it wasn't actually
all that long ago, it was abouta year ago.
And I thought, you know what,actually, here's the deeper
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truth.
When you start feeling what'smy purpose, what's my purpose,
what's my purpose, that isactually your soul knocking at
your like head saying, Yourpurpose is to actually follow
your excitement and to tune intowhat that is.
Because here's what happenswhen you actually are in the
energy of something that excitesyou, call it your passion, your
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curiosity, whatever you want touse, but let's just call it
excitement.
When you're really in that andyou're really doing it, you
can't help but feel on purpose.
And so it's usually whensomebody's not doing something
that lights them up, that wholething of like, what's my
purpose?
What's my purpose?
It's because it's just askingyou to find what excites you and
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to go do that because then youautomatically feel on purpose.
It's an interesting thingbecause here's the thing with
purpose purpose is whatever youwant it to be.
You know, if you want yourpurpose to cure cancer or end
world hunger or to be a greatneighbor or to be the best mom
or to, you know, love on animalswherever you see them, your
purpose can be whatever you wantit to be.
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It really can.
There's nobody out there aboveyou saying this is your purpose.
It's you deciding what you wantit to be.
You will feel on purpose whenyou're doing what excites you
because that is the the biggerpart of you in your spirit
saying, It's kind of what youcame here for, is do this thing
that lights you up.
Like that is your GPS for yourlife.
Many of us aren't actuallydoing that to the level that our
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soul would love us to be doingthat to.
Speaker (16:32):
The work that you do, um, if you get a client, do you
have clients that that arestruggling with figuring out
what excites them?
Speaker 2 (16:42):
All the time.
And this is really where I do alot of coaching.
And it's because a couple ofthings.
Number one is a lot of us don'thave practice in making
decisions on a daily basis aboutdoing what excites us.
Now, what excites us isn'talways a career.
What excites us could be youknow what, get up and go for a
walk because you might have agreat idea on that walk.
What excites us might be readthis book, go hang out with a
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friend, you know, go spend sometime in your garden.
It it is it is not the bigthings, it's in every moment
saying, What's going to exciteme?
Because when you make thosecall them micro decisions on an
hour by hour, day-by-day basis,you start building the muscle
and you start putting yourselfmore in the energy of
excitement, which is an energythat wants to build on itself.
And bigger and bigger thingscome.
(17:26):
So it's kind of like it's kindof like when you try to give
somebody advice and they don'tlisten.
You at some point you juststop, right?
Until they take some action, inwhich case you might give them
some some more advice.
Kind of the higher version ofyou or your or the part of you
is doing that.
It's like giving you advice,like go do this thing, but it's
communicating through the energyof excitement.
When you don't listen, it stopsgiving you, it stops giving you
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that until you take action.
And then it's like, okay, she'staking action.
Now you can do go.
Here's some more ideas for whatshe can do that would excite
her.
So it's a muscle.
Excitement is a muscle.
And if, and and we're nottrained for that, you know, we
go to school, the school system.
There's nothing inside of thatsystem that is stoking the flame
of excitement for anybody,unless somebody's really
self-motivated, and you know,people are, but it's the system
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itself is not designed for that.
Right.
If anything, I would actuallyargue it's the opposite of that.
Um, and then we go into thecorporate world, and the
corporate world is not worried,Cassandra, about your
excitement, it is worried aboutthe status report that you need
to get done by Tuesday.
That's right.
And so we don't have a lot ofpractice.
And so if we're stuck, it'sbecause we need to kind of build
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that muscle up, and this is howyou do it.
Speaker (18:34):
Okay, okay.
And so share again how do theybuild that by doing what?
Speaker 2 (18:42):
So here's here's a couple of exercises.
Okay.
Okay, so let's take a scenariowhere somebody is in a career, a
job, a company, maybe they'veeven built something themselves
and they're just no longerfeeling it.
That phase is over, and there'ssomething's knocking at their
door, being like, you need to bemore on purpose with your life.
Now, what do you do?
Because you just have no ideawhat the idea is, what the thing
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is, where the curiosity is,right?
There's a couple things you cando.
Number one is I would get out apiece of paper and a pencil.
Okay, and I would just say, ifyou had a billion dollars and
you never had to work again,okay, list 30 things that would
light your fire.
And almost on everybody's listis I would travel, I would do
this, I'd do that.
Get all those out of the way.
There's 10 right there, right?
Right.
And then the next 10 get kindof interesting.
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It's like, well, what I mightdo is I might start writing that
book I've always wanted towrite, or what I might do is
actually open an animal shelter,or what I might do is launch
that podcast, or what I might dois actually build that bakery.
Like there's those, right?
Okay.
And then you keep going becausethen it starts getting really
hard until you get to about 30,because the last five are pretty
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tough.
Yeah.
You go until it gets hard whereyou really have to like search
your soul for the answer.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Because that's usually where the intersection
of fear and excitement are.
And somebody once said, and Ilove this, excitement or fear is
just excitement without thebreath.
Fear is just excitement withoutthe breath.
Because usually the thing wefear the most is actually our
greatest excitement.
And those two energies gotogether, and we have a hard
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time discerning what's fear andwhat's excitement.
But the truth is, it'sexcitement that just is um a
little afraid to express itself.
That's where the juicy stuffis.
Speaker (20:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
That's where the juicy stuff is.
And I'll just give you apersonal example.
So a friend of mine, this isabout a year ago, she said we
should do a TikTok challenge.
By the way, I've not been onTikTok.
I just didn't feel like it wasmy place.
Yeah.
She said, 90 days, we're goingto do TikTok.
You want to talk abouttriggering fear in me is to be
on TikTok just riffing onwhatever without a script.
Oh man, you just hit all myfear buttons.
(20:46):
You know, there's probablysomething in here, and I should
do it.
I don't know.
Anybody on TikTok, I can justdo whatever I want to do, I
guess.
And I'm just going to commit to90 days.
And so I did 90 days of TikTokposts a year ago.
And I've actually kept up withit.
And be and and here's what itwas.
The first one was terrifying.
I was like, oh my God, what amI doing?
Yeah.
And then what you realize isthat fear is all in your mind.
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And the greater the fear, thecloser you are to the great the
breakthrough.
So you gotta kind of pushthrough it and get to the
breakthrough.
The breakthrough for me wasactually getting out my camera
and filming the TikTok.
And so and it sounds dumbbecause now I'm like, how was I
ever afraid of that?
It's just TikTok.
A year ago, it was like a realthing.
I was terrified.
And this I've done film, youknow, this is not like I'm not a
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stranger to this medium, butfor some reason it just hit my
hot buttons, and so I did it.
And and that is where you knowyou're just on the brink of
breakthrough, is when the fearis the highest.
And so you write down yourlist, you figure out where the
intersection of fear andexcitement is, and then you give
yourself a task.
And the task might be, youknow, 90 days of something
that's gonna terrify you.
(21:51):
I'm gonna do 90 days ofactually building new recipes,
I'm gonna do 90 days ofpodcasts, I'm gonna do 90 days
of whatever the next day is foryou.
Okay, because the first one youdo, you're gonna be like, Well,
that wasn't actually scary, andthen you get some practice, and
then you build an incredibleskill that then is exciting and
brings you more, more ideas,more stuff.
And and that's just kind of theengine of how it works.
(22:14):
Uh-huh.
Speaker (22:15):
Oh, that's good.
Yeah, because listen, I want todo the my listeners, don't even
know this.
I'm just sharing.
I want to do a TEDx talk.
Oh, yeah.
And I'm like, what in theworld?
I am like fear.
It's like, why does that keepknocking on me?
A 10x.
What?
What am I gonna say?
What am I gonna do?
So you were very helpful there.
(22:36):
I haven't made the decision yetto do it, but that's something
that I've been wanting to do inthe last month.
I don't know what's going on.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Right now, they're taking applications for TED
Talks, and there's it's inSeptember, end of September.
If you get invited in, I'llsend you the link actually after
this.
Uh so they are they'reaccepting open invitations for
the big TED stage, and you yeah.
Speaker (23:00):
Oh my gosh.
Okay.
Well, with that, let me ask youwhat's the difference between
an ego-based desire and a trueinner inner desire?
Wrestling.
Oh man, that is the bestquestion.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
And I will tell you what.
Um that that is such a fabulousquestion because it is hard to
discern uh sometimes.
And I'll just give you a storyfrom my personal life.
So when I did Everyday Geniusthe first time, Everyday Genius
Institute 15 years ago, I wouldsay that came from a very
divinely inspired place.
It was incredibly alsoego-driven.
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I wanted a business that wouldbe successful.
I kind of wanted to provemyself I could do it and do
something no one's done beforethat everyone thinks was so
cool.
And it was all of those things,but it I pushed myself so hard
from that ego place to just makeit and prove it.
And and beautiful things cameout of that work.
So it was great, but it wasreally a place of more about me.
(23:59):
What did I want?
What was going to make me feelworthy, valuable, interesting,
you know, all those things.
Inside of that was excitement.
So it wasn't, but the push toburnout, which is what happened
on that journey, was a veryego-driven push to burnout.
You know, so then I unravel allthat.
I go on my walkabout, I kind ofcome back to the corporate
(24:20):
world in an interesting way.
And then after all that kind ofgot settled out, healed out,
the desire that was pure cameback through for everyday
genius.
It wasn't about me provinganything, it was truly about
being of service with this work.
And it's not that I need thefame.
I'm just genuinely excited tohelp people with a
(24:40):
transformation.
And I I because I'm in thatenergy, it's not a burnout
energy.
It actually creates moreexcitement and more fuel.
And I can't wait to get up anddo it.
And then the minute I start tofeel overwhelmed, I say, this is
not how genius works.
Genius is an excitement is notmeant to make you feel
overwhelmed.
I stop and I said, you knowwhat?
Stop.
You're not meant to feeloverwhelmed.
Now it's not that there's not aminute here or there, but it's
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just in general, the overwhelmis a very clear signal that you
got to scale back and thinkabout it differently, maybe get
more creative about how you doit, remove some things that are
making it too busy, you know.
Because again, passion andexcitement is a beautiful
energy.
The minute it starts to feeloverwhelming is the minute we've
stepped over into doing morethan we actually need to do.
Oh, that is so good.
Speaker (25:25):
Oh my gosh, because I was a burned out queen.
Yeah, me too.
Right there, right there withyou.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And many of my listeners are.
They're just burnt out, they'reexhausted.
Wow, that's that's good.
That's good.
And when I think about thetimes when I was burned out, I
was trying to prove something toothers that I can do this.
(25:50):
So therefore, I had to workharder, work longer hours.
And for some of my listeners, Isaid, because I was always the
first African-American female inall of my leadership roles.
And with that, I was like,okay, they think they think I'm
I'm a number, I'm a quota.
And I was listening, oh no, I'mgonna prove to them.
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And I was exhausted.
So you are right on.
Thank you, thank you, thankyou.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
And I I speak, I have walked through this fire.
This is not like me sittinghere being like, you should do
this.
I have walked through this fireof burnout probably three times
in my life to the point where Iwas laying on my couch and
couldn't get up.
I was so exhausted.
I know what that is, and uh,it's taken me a long time to
really understand how it'ssupposed to work and to retrain
my brain.
Okay, that's good.
Speaker (26:39):
I love that.
Oh my goodness gracious.
Okay, following your passionwill also surface your deepest
blocks.
Okay, so when you move towardwhat truly lights you up, it's
just like the book I wrote,which it took me 12 years to
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write it, like starting apodcast.
Man, was I blocked?
I was like, okay, I'm notsupposed to write this book.
Um, what am I gonna say?
I don't even what am I gonnasound professional?
Am I gonna sound intelligent?
You know, I just what why whydoes it bring up the most
outdated, limited versions ofwho we think we are?
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Well, it's kind of what I said earlier.
Excitement is a very highvibrational, very light-filled
energy.
You feel light when you'reexcited is a light-filled
energy.
When the light shines bright,it really casts the shadow much
more visibly.
And so that shadow within us isthe blocks, the like you just
said, the outdated versions ofus, the outdated thinking, these
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limiting beliefs that aren'ttrue, but in our mind we think
they are, because that's justkind of how beliefs work.
And beliefs, let's just take apause and talk about beliefs
because I'm super passionateabout beliefs.
So, what is a belief?
A belief can be both somethingreally empowering.
Kind of, I think of it like theangel on my shoulder being
like, You can do it, you'reloved, right?
You know, um, people arewonderful, you know, like these
beliefs that are just reallyfeel-good, empowering kinds of
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beliefs.
That's like the little angel onyour shoulder, yeah.
Like, all the good things,little cheerleader.
And we we all have reallypositive beliefs, otherwise, we
just wouldn't exist here, youknow.
Um, the little I call it littledevil on the shoulder, just to
kind of give the visual analogyis the ones of like you're not
good enough, you don't deserveit, you're not worthy, nobody's
gonna want you, you're notlikable, you don't have anything
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to say, you don't know how tosay it right.
You know, all those things thatare like, now here's the thing
with with beliefs that littlekind of devil on your shoulder,
if you will, it's likewhispering all that into your
ear, which is really just uswith that inner dialogue, but I
think the visual's helpfulbecause when I say this part,
it'll make sense.
Is that little devil on yourshoulder wants to stay alive at
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all costs?
So take a belief like I have towork hard to make money.
Many of us have that belief,yes, especially in American
culture.
And especially I live on theWest Coast, West Coast culture
is even more so than almostanywhere.
I have to work hard to makemoney.
Okay, so that's a belief, andthat little devil on your
shoulder is like, you've got towork harder to make money,
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you've got to work harder tomake money, and then your whole
reality is architected aroundthat being true.
And so then you work reallyhard and you make some money,
and you're like, see, I wasright, I have to work hard to
make money.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Uh-huh.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
And if I don't work hard, that little belief starts
triggering a ton of fear in you.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Uh-huh.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
That if I don't work hard, I'm not going to have
money, my life's going to fallapart, all of that.
And so it keeps that fear keepsthe belief alive that something
bad is going to happen ifthat's not true.
Right.
Right.
That's the devil at work, ifyou will.
And I say devil, I say thatjokingly because it's really
just a part of us, you know,believing this, right?
Right.
And so when you can recognizeand ask yourself, what would I
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have to believe to be true inorder to feel this thing of
fear?
You know, that, you know, Ihave to work hard, no one's
going to support me.
Like, there's usually somethingbelow I have to work hard, I'm
not supported, something likethat.
When you kind of get in touchby asking, okay, what would I
really have to believe to betrue to feel this fear that I'm
feeling around, you know, notmaking money or but not being
supported or being alive becauseI'm not working hard.
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When you can really like hearwhat that is and you can shine a
light on that just by seeingit, it often starts to make no
sense.
You're like, I'm not supported.
Well, is that true?
I mean, I look around my lifeand I am supported, like magical
things have happened.
You know, people do make sureI'm okay.
I've got, you know, resources,I'm creative.
Like you realize, like, it'sjust not true.
And then it just starts tounravel by itself.
(30:40):
And and so we've all got a lotof these beliefs, and many of
them aren't true.
But that little devil of ourshoulder is working hard to make
sure that we keep the beliefthat they are so that little
devil can stay alive and withus.
Like I'll stay with you foreveras long as you believe this.
Right.
Right.
I always give that little devila voice because then it becomes
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kind of outrageous, right?
I want to be with you forever.
You can't let me go.
I'm going to make you feelreally afraid.
Oh, and as long as you feelafraid, you have to keep me so I
can stay with you forever.
Right.
Like you can give it kind oflike this creepy weird voice,
right?
So it's patterned.
And then when you can unravelit, you realize that it was
never true.
We just believed it was trueand were too afraid to have any
(31:25):
other belief.
And every one of them is likethat.
You know, people don't love me.
I mean, think of all of them.
If I do this TED talk, I'mgonna be laughed at, and
nobody's gonna think of anythinggood to say, they're not gonna
respect me.
Like it just endless chatter,right?
Speaker 1 (31:39):
Uh-huh.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
So when you get really in touch with the fear,
what am I really afraid of ingiving this TED talk?
And I'm just gonna use anexample because you mentioned
it.
And then you really ask, like,what would I have to believe to
be true to feel this fear aroundcreating a TED talk?
And when you can really shine alight on that within yourself,
and you can sit with it, you canrealize, well, it's not true.
Now the belief is going to tryto convince you, yeah.
But look at all this data, youknow.
(32:01):
And if you did get laughed at,everything would be horrible.
And so it starts triggering allthis fear, but again, that fear
is you on the brink of abreakthrough, still walking
through it, right?
The devil loves nothing littledevil on your shoulder loves
hates nothing more than youactually taking action despite
the fear.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
That's good, yeah.
Speaker (32:18):
Because, you know, I was gonna ask you, how does one
move through that innerresistance?
That's hard, man.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Yeah, I love to tell you it's easy, it's hard.
And some beliefs are harderthan others because there's some
really sometimes there's somereally deep trauma and some
really deep stuff there.
So some of those are harderthan others, some are just like
once you shine a light on it,you're like, well, that doesn't
make any sense.
Move on.
One I've been playing with,just to give you a fun example,
is I thought, wouldn't it be funto win the lottery?
I just had this idea like,wouldn't it be fun to win the
(32:47):
lottery?
I have a belief that I can'twin the lottery, and I was like,
Well, is that true?
Millions of people win thelottery.
So I've been trying to rewiremy brain to win the lottery
because I think it'd be reallyfun.
Now, that that one's not such ahard one for me to unravel.
The much harder one for me tounravel is this thing of like,
people don't like me, which isso funny because often our
greatest limiting belief is theexact thing that we are the best
(33:08):
at.
And it's it's like beautifulpeople think they're not
beautiful.
So the paradox is like yourgreatest gift and skill and
ability and an attribute isusually where your deepest
limiting belief is.
Crazy paradox.
Wow, that's yeah.
So, like for you, for example,I would say probably your
greatest skill and attribute isactually sharing your message
publicly, and yet here you arewith it being one of your
(33:29):
greatest fears.
Uh-huh.
And it's just the paradox ofthe way it works, right?
Speaker (33:34):
Yeah, yeah.
Oh my gosh.
Oh my gosh.
Wow.
Well, listen, this is weird.
Back in my corporate days, Iremember I was in the hotel
business, and there was a guestthat used to come often.
And then one day she'd asked meto um, because she talked to me
(33:54):
for a minute.
I'm like, okay, one, I guessthere's a problem in the hotel
or whatever.
And she asked me, she said, Iwant you, and I know you can be
a great speaker.
And I looked at her like agreat speaker.
I'm in this, I'm like, I'mtrying to run a hotel.
What are you talking about?
And and she said, So this iswhat I want you to do.
(34:16):
I want you to speak onsomething, but I need you to
videotape it for me.
And then I want you to send itto me.
And I looked at her likevideotape.
Oh my god, I don't even knowwhat to say, you know?
And and I have never forgottenher.
And she lives somewhere in NewYork working for this big, I
don't know, I don't know.
(34:37):
But that has resonated with meever since she said it, and that
was years ago.
And one of the things I foundeven on my vision board, I
always wanted to be a speaker.
And I was like, where did thatcome from?
And then I'm like, now like Icould speak at corporate, but to
speak on my own, my ownbusiness, you know.
So you that that resonated withme when you were talking about,
(35:00):
I can't do that is here, butyet I can, you know, like I
speak all the time.
So that that was interestinghow it's coming back to me.
And now I want to do a TEDxtalk.
I'm like, oh boy.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
You know what's so cool about that story that I
just ooh, I love it so much.
Is this little angel walkedinto your life in the form of a
guest at your hotel, right?
That sparked something in youthat you've probably been
thinking about for 10 years orhowever long ago this was.
And and what that little thatyou little human angel did was
(35:35):
see something in you that youdidn't necessarily see in
yourself, lit a little flamethat's been burning and now it's
a bit roaring.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Right?
Yeah.
And it might have taken howeverlong ago this was five, 10
years.
Right.
Uh more.
I think that that's reallythese little, I call them
angels.
These little angels appear onour path to help us step into
our fullest destiny.
And if you really think abouttime not being linear, right?
Maybe you weren't ready 10years ago.
Again, I don't know how longago it was, but but that person
(36:04):
was there as a guide to help youreally step into your highest
destiny.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
And and and it just looked, it just looked like a
guest at your hotel.
And I think these things happenall the time because it really
is when you're meant to dosomething, people see it in you
before you see it in yourself.
That's also true, too.
Speaker (36:20):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
Wow.
Speaker (36:23):
Wow.
Okay.
Now, um, so we kind of talkedabout some tools um that that to
move through the fear and intoyour genius.
Are there any other tools youlike to share um in your
(36:43):
toolbox?
Because my listeners are reallystruggling with taking that
next step or doing that nextchapter.
Any tools you could share?
Speaker 2 (36:54):
Yeah, I think a big one, especially when you're
tired and burned out, is itoften takes a lot of energy to
launch something new.
And so I think there is oftenan inquiry.
Let's say you're in a corporatejob and you're tired and
exhausted.
Often what is needed is aperiod of rest before a big
creation or idea will comethrough.
(37:16):
And so I think oftentimespeople try to move too fast from
burnout into excitement.
And while that can happen,yeah, in my experience, a little
bit of rest is needed.
And the rest, though, to beproductive in the rest.
Now, the rest might be I'm justgonna stop doing a bunch of
this and create more space in mylife.
You know, I'm no longer gonnago to these meetings, I'm no
(37:37):
longer gonna help this friend,I'm no longer gonna say yes to
all these work projects,whatever.
Like there's a a not-to-do listin in all of us.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
And using that space to create some rest, but then
filling it with not watchingNetflix and being on our phones
and numbing out, but fill itwith little moments of
excitement to rekindle theflame.
And it feels like that takes alot of energy, but when it's at
your excitement, it doesn't.
You know, it's like again, I'mgonna read a book today.
I'm gonna go, you know, hangout with my friends because it's
(38:08):
fun.
I'm gonna go just sit in thepark under the sun.
They can be the smallest ofthings, but they're moments just
for you that feel good.
And so it's being productive inthe rest without trying to
launch, you know, the next bigthing.
Because that will happen, butit will happen when you have
enough energy to do it.
And do you know?
(38:28):
And so I I think because whenyou jump from busy corporate
burnout to this thing that doesexcite you, but there hasn't
been a period of rest and you'reand you're burned out, right?
Uh it won't be the highest, itwon't be the highest version of
the thing because the highestversion of the thing needs fresh
energy, and it's really hard tohave it when you're depleted.
Speaker (38:51):
Right, right.
It's just like relationships.
I get out of one and getanother, and that doesn't work,
so then I get out of anotherone, right?
Speaker 2 (38:58):
Yeah, you need some time to reflect and integrate
what just happened.
Speaker (39:01):
Yeah, exactly, exactly.
It's a good analogy.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
That's a good analogy.
Yeah, so I think for one thing,it's really an honest inquiry
of am I ready for the nextthing, or do I just need to be
better about saying no to somethings and creating some space
to build mini excitements?
Right.
Number one.
Number two, I would say is foranybody listening, because this
is sort of a self-improvementpodcast, I would say you've
already been geniusing for avery long time.
(39:24):
You have an incredible amountof skills and abilities.
What might have been a passion10 years ago is just served its
time.
You've built the skills, you'vedone the thing, and you're
ready for the next expression ofyou, the next genius of you, if
you will.
And and and it's okay, right?
Because here's how geniusworks, right?
People think that genius is onething.
I really don't know anyonethat's done one thing their
(39:45):
whole life.
Even if you look at someonewho's done painting their whole
life or music, they've done itthrough different angles and
lenses and tried differentthings.
For myself, just to use myselfas an example, I've done
consulting and coaching in someway my whole life, but it's in
very different contexts, doingvery different kinds of that
work and building a lot ofdifferent skills with different
(40:05):
angles.
Um, and so that the thread hasbeen consistent, but the actual
job has changed a lot.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
Right.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
And so I think, you know, I can't speak for your
past, but my sense for you isthat there's been a real sense
of community.
You know, that's kind of insome ways like I think the hotel
business or the hospitalitybusiness is like that, making
people feel at home whereverthey are, right?
Speaker 1 (40:25):
Yeah, right.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
You know, and community in a hotel is is a
beautiful way to build kind ofhospitality and community, but
so is a podcast.
It's a different expression ofthe same genius.
Speaker (40:35):
Wow.
So when one says yes to theirgenius, what happens?
Magical things happen.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
Um and and when I say yes to genius, I think a lot of
people have been saying yes allalong.
Maybe when someone's ready forthe next thing, it's like,
what's the next thing I'm gonnasay yes to?
The next expression, the nextuh angle, the next lens with
which I'm going to look at thisthing that I really enjoy.
And so just I think yourexample is a is a great one.
(41:03):
You know, you go from corporatewhere that that was a passion
probably for a long time.
It no longer became a cashafter you built all the skills
and you were ready to to take itto the next level and build it
through a different lens andbuild the skills of community
and hospitality through a verydifferent lens.
I often think the best speakersdo this too.
They they're really good atmaking their audiences feel
(41:25):
welcomed and feel like a part ofsomething and feel like um like
there's something in themthat's special, you know.
And my sense is that's kind ofwhat what you do when you speak.
And so again, it's hospitality,but on a stage.
Does that make sense?
And so your genius, you've beendoing it all along.
You're just ready for adifferent expression of that
genius.
And so for anyone listening,you've been geniusing all along.
(41:47):
You just may be ready for a newexpression of how to genius.
And so that's where theexcitement comes in because
that's your that's your soulsaying, This is what's next,
this is it.
And if you're not hearing thewhispers, that's okay.
You might need a pause, youmight need a pause, do little
mini excitements, and then thebigger one will come.
Speaker (42:05):
Wow, so many nuggets.
I I was gonna ask you somethingelse, my last question, but
you've done it.
And I'm like your first person,second person, third person.
You used it like in a movie,you know, and you said I love
that.
And I was gonna ask you for mylistens, but you just done it.
(42:27):
You just did it.
Um for individuals that arelike I was, and I'm not saying I
will always be this way, butjust stuck, just like I am with
the TEDx, you know, I'm a littlestuck here now.
Okay, so I wanted you to usethe second person and imagine as
(42:51):
you're talking to a personthat's stuck, but you because
you're you in other words, youhow how some how how you see
someone, not how they seethemselves.
So if you were to talk insecond person to individuals
that are stuck, how someone elsesees them, how would you how
(43:13):
would you see them?
And you said you already got agene, you already got your
genius.
Speaker 2 (43:21):
Well, this is what I do in my healing, right?
Is that I I can literally stepinside somebody, that's the
second person.
I can step inside them and seetheir genius, I can see the
blocks, I can see a lot ofpatterning.
And so, like in your case, justbecause you and I are having
this conversation, like I canreally step in as you and say
the stuckness is it's in thethroat, right?
(43:42):
What do I say?
What do I say?
That's where it feels stuck.
And so that might not be truefor everybody, but for you, I
feel that.
Like, what do I say?
And what I would say then isokay, you're not sure what to
say.
That's okay.
What I would do, you talkedabout the second person.
Imagine you're in the audience.
What do you want to hear?
(44:02):
If if you were both on thestage and in the audience at the
same time, what would you wantto hear you saying?
Because it's an interestingexercise, right?
The first person is you, secondperson is stepping into
someone's shoes, third person iskind of seeing it like a movie.
Yeah, and so this is a is apowerful exercise because when
we're not sure a decision tomake, often if we can just shift
our perspective into one ofthose, we can get more
(44:24):
information.
So let's just do this real timesince we're here.
Cassandra, imagine you're inthe audience.
What would be the mostinteresting thing that Cassandra
on stage would be saying toyou?
Would she be saying?
Would she be talking aboutblocks?
Would she be talking about herjourney?
Like, what'd she be talkingabout?
Speaker (44:40):
I'll probably be talking about um what happens
when your way is in your way.
unknown (44:47):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker (44:49):
And what it would feel like when you get out of it.
Speaker 2 (44:52):
Yeah, and exactly.
So there's your talk.
Yeah, you know, and and so it'sif you're imagining you're in
the audience listening toyourself talk, and then you can
say, Okay, is that interesting?
Would I actually want to hearthat?
Because here's the funny thingwe always create for ourselves,
really.
And I always tell myself, if Ifind it interesting, surely
somebody else, at least oneother person on the planet, is
gonna find it interesting.
Right.
So make the talk for you,right?
(45:14):
Imagine you're the one in theaudience, because I can promise
you there's 50 people in theaudience that are feeling the
exact same way you are, or thatwant to hear the exact same
information.
You're your own best audiencemember, and you just write the
talk you want to hear.
And that's the second personperspective.
You're sitting in the audiencelistening to you, yeah, hearing
the talk that you want to hear,and then that's just the one you
end up writing.
You snap back into yourself,and you're like, I'm gonna write
(45:35):
that talk.
Speaker (45:36):
Wow, that's good.
Speaker 2 (45:38):
Well, thank you.
Thank you.
You know, it's funny.
My sister's a baker, and Ialways say, How do you know what
to bake?
Well, I'm just it's becausewhat I want to eat.
Speaker (45:46):
Right.
Yes, right.
Speaker 2 (45:47):
So she makes recipes she wants, she doesn't care
about everybody else.
And according to K they'reamazing.
Exactly.
Speaker (45:52):
That's what I do with gifts.
Speaker 2 (45:54):
I don't want that gifts, so I'm gonna give them
that.
Yeah, so do the same for that.
And it's and and for anybodylistening, this is a great
exercise.
If you don't know what to donext, well, what do I want?
Do I want you know, this kindof coaching in my life?
Do I want this kind of store inmy life?
Do I want this kind ofexperience in my life?
And then go build that becauseyou're if you build it for you,
(46:15):
a lot of people are gonna likeit.
Speaker (46:17):
Right, right.
Wow, Taryn, that was great.
Yeah, well, as my listenersknow, I always say when I'm
really enjoying a conversation,I could talk with you longer.
But as they know, we can't talkall day.
So, with that said, I'd like myaudience and my listeners to
(46:39):
know how can they get in touchwith you?
Speaker 2 (46:43):
One of the favorite things I do is my newsletter.
It's a bi-weekly newsletter onstrategies of genius,
motivation, you know, tipsaround passion and purpose.
It is really a fun, feel-goodnewsletter.
So please, it's free.
Sign up for my newsletter atTarin Voget.substack.com.
It's on Substack, and it'sfree.
And it's the best way to keepin touch with me.
And then you can, you know, getto all my other places from
(47:03):
there, my YouTube channel, andthere's a bunch of great videos
on my YouTube channel aroundthis.
And uh check out my services.
But really, my Substack is myfavorite thing.
Uh, so find me there andsubscribe.
It's free and just enjoy itevery couple of weeks.
It's it's a really fun feelgood in your inbox.
Speaker (47:18):
Right.
Well, I'm definitely gonnasubscribe to that.
Thank you.
Yes, Karen, thank you so muchfor all those nuggets.
Um, a lot of things you spread,I'm gonna call them diamonds.
It's like you just sprinkle,which which to me it lights up,
you know, and that's what you'vedone.
If you lit me up, you've litothers up.
(47:38):
And I so appreciate you beingmy guest today.
And I always tell my guests,and I said it once, I'm gonna
say it again.
Please share this podcast withsomeone that you know that it's
gonna be a blessing to them.
And also, if if in fact youmissed some of the tidbits that
(48:02):
were spoken, you can replay itand replay it and replay this.
And this is gonna be on allpodcast platforms.
So, again, Taryn, thank you somuch.
And my guest, as I always say,bye for now.
God bless you and know that Ilove you.
Thanks so much.
(48:23):
Thank you for having me.
What a wonderful, what awonderful show.
Good day out there to all of my listeners, and I want
to welcome you to Is Your Wayin Your Way.
That's the name of the podcastfor those new listeners out
there.
And I'm your host, and my nameis Cassandra Crawley Mayo.
And for those new listeners,the title of my book is Is Your
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Way in Your Way?
And we talk about topicsrelated to personal improvement,
business improvement, and alsotopics that will enable you to
do some self-reflection.
So if you think about thethings that you really want to
do and you're stuck and youcan't figure out why, that's
what this podcast is all about.
Because it's time, it is timeto finally say yes to your
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genius.
And let me ask you this (01:14):
have you ever had a sinking feeling
you're doing everything right,but still something is off?
Like you're spinning yourwheels, you're stuck in a cycle,
and you can't quite put yourfinger on it.
Or have you ever felt likethere's something bigger inside
you, something that's meant todo, but you can't figure out how
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to access it?
Like, like what's holding youback?
And who you see on our screenis my special guest, Taryn
Voget.
And also, what we're gettingready to do now is we're gonna
do like what I'm calling atransformational journey rooted
in faith designed forpurpose-driven women, ready to
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stop spinning their wheels andstart living their best lives.
Hello, Taryn Wilget.
What a pleasure to have you onmy show.
Oh, thank you so much forhaving me.
I am really looking forward toour conversation.
Yeah, so listen, what I'd liketo do first is to read your bio
because my listeners are alwayscurious.
Well, who is she to talk aboutsaying yes to your genius?
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So I am going to read it sothey can see what qualifies you
to do so.
Now, Taryn is a strategist,she's a coach and a soul
whisperer who helps peopleunlock the brilliance buried in
their subconscious, shipped,long-held mental patterns and
realign with their deeperpurpose.
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This is gonna be so good.
With a rare fusion ofneuroscience, corporate
strategy, intuitive healing, andshamanic wisdom, she guides
high performers and seekersalike into profound clarity.
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As the founder of the GeniusLab, she offers something far
beyond therapy or businesscoaching.
She delivers transformation atthe intersection of intellect
and intuition.
If you feel stuck, now let mesay it again.
If you feel stuck, overwhelmed,or unsure about your next
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chapter, this episode is yourinvitation to a breakthrough.
Wow, guys, this is this isgonna be good.
So, what I what I usually say,if you're sitting down
somewhere, write notes.
If you're driving, just knowthat you can replay this and
also know to share it withindividuals where you know this
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will be in their best interestto listen to.
And so, Taryn, let me ask you,even though I read what you do,
what you're about, what is yourbackstory before you became your
before your genius lab wascreated?
What was going on with you?
Speaker 2 (04:06):
So I, after college, went right into consulting.
I worked for a big consultingfirm, Accenture.
And for yeah, for a lot ofyears, I just did these big
corporate transformationprojects, big global complex
transformation projects.
And I did that.
I started my own consultingfirm when I was 28, still doing
the same kind of work, justunder my own banner.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
And then I woke up one day, I was probably about
30, and I thought, I'm tired,I'm burned out, I'm working way
too many hours, and I'm workingon everybody else's projects,
not mine.
And so for about a year, I justkept thinking, gosh, what am I
gonna do?
I want to build something new,I want to build something that's
mine, I want to build somethingno one's done before.
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And I had no idea what that is,by the way.
And I kept thinking about allthese ideas.
And simultaneous to this, I wastaking um a bunch of classes on
the weekends around uhbehavioral science and
neuroscience, because I find thetopic really interesting.
And then one day I was drivingto this class that I ended up
becoming a coach in, and thisflash of lightning just hit my
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head over the Golden GateBridge.
I mean, not a literal flash,but you know, it was like boom.
And I saw the whole idea forthe Everyday Genius Institute.
I saw the name, I saw what itwas gonna do, how I was gonna do
it.
And it was this idea that Iwould take people that are
really brilliant at what theydo, deconstruct how they do it
and reverse engineer theirgenius, and then package it back
up into a book and a DVD setthat would then teach people how
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to do anything from winetasting to study strategies to
talking to kids.
And I had a bunch of productsthat I then went on to build and
create around that.
So I really deeply got tounderstand how genius works, and
uh, and that's where the geniuslab was born.
And uh that for a bunch ofyears, yeah.
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And then it was one of thosethings where I kind of ran out
of money because I think Iunderestimated how much money it
takes to actually run a productbusiness.
And this was kind of before itwas sort of that weird
intersection where DVDs werestill hot, but they were kind of
fading out, and and the onlinetools just weren't what they are
right now.
This is 15 years ago.
And so I just was like, youknow, I'm kind of out of money,
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I'm really tired.
I was doing it for about four,four and a half years, put
everything I had into it, and Iwent on a walkabout.
I sold everything, and Ithought I would take six months
off.
It ended up being two and ahalf years.
In that time, I ended upgetting into executive coaching.
Um, and actually, SpaceX was myfirst client, crazy enough.
So there I was coaching rocketscientists.
It was a wild, it was a wildride.
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Um and uh and I I went backinto the corporate world, but
with a very different skill setand a very different approach
and a very different sort ofthing I was doing, which was
really helping leaders andexecutives and companies take
whatever they were doing to thenext level.
And uh I did that, and thenabout a year ago, it just kind
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of kept knocking at my door.
You need to kind of redoeveryday genius, but do it
differently this time.
And so I don't want to say Irestarted because it never left,
but I just sort of put newenergy into everyday genius and
got my YouTube channel back up.
I've done a bunch of videos,got the genius lab kind of fired
back up in a very cool way.
Um, I've actually never offeredthe genius lab to just anybody
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who wants it, but I I made thatoffering available and that's
been really interesting.
Uh and so anyway, so so I hereI am, you know, still doing
genius, but my real passion inthe process of all of that, the
part I kind of forgot was I wentto shaman school.
And I went to shaman schoolbecause I thought if I could
just develop my intuition, Icould really deconstruct
someone's genius better.
That was my thought.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Uh-huh.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
What ended up happening was I actually learned
how to help people change theirlimiting beliefs, have deep
personal transformation, healout trauma and wounds that stop
people.
And so it was a skill set thatI brought into executive
coaching and I bring into mywork.
So whenever somebody works withme, they get what's your
genius, but also the removal ofblocks that are getting in the
way.
So it really, yeah.
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Now listen, what is shamanschool?
What is that?
So if you think about shamans,it was really the name for
healers in villages.
And every village for a longtime had a healer, and it was
for physical ailments, mentalailments, spiritual ailments,
make it rain, whatever it was,right?
They were people that were justfabulous hears.
And shamans, I think it's avery broad term for a lot of
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different kinds of healingmodalities, but just call it a
healer.
And it's actually not calledshaman school, it's called
healing the light body.
Um, and it's through the FourWinds Society, but it's really
about how to create deeptransformation using a lot of
energetic tools if you know howto tap into that.
And so I learned how to do itand then added on my own take on
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it.
And I think my work has gottenmuch quicker because I've kind
of figured out ways to make itdeeper and faster.
Okay.
But it's really about helpingpeople um create a
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transformation so that they canstep into the next best version
of themselves.
Right.
Speaker (09:16):
Now, in the beginning, it it sounds like
transformation, transtransforming was a sweet spot
for you.
In the beginning, what was itabout transformation that was so
intriguing?
Speaker 2 (09:35):
What's interesting to me about transformation is that
I think there's this humandesire to always go to the next
level, whatever that is.
And I just really enjoy theenergy of going from wherever
someone is or a company is or ateam is to the next best thing.
And the thing I love abouttransformation is the energy of
excitement.
It's like my favorite juicyenergy.
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And often in a transformation,there is excitement to do the
next best thing.
And I just love that energy andand helping, like I said,
people, teams, and companies gofrom that to this excited
energy.
And I just love that.
Speaker (10:09):
Oh wow, wow, that I I get that.
Let me ask you about you talkedabout uh G your excitement and
the GPS for your destiny.
What is GPS for your what isGPS?
What's that one for?
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Yeah, so here's what I've discovered both in the
genius lab and just working withliterally thousands of people
at this point is that wheneversomebody is doing what excites
them, and excitement is acharged word for people.
Some people call it passion,some people call it curiosity,
some people call it interest.
But that thing that just kindof is like, ooh, that's cool.
When that energy is present, itis a it is a potent energy
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because here's what it does itcreates the momentum to actually
do the work, whatever the workis.
And it doesn't always have tobe a paid job, right?
It can be a passion, a hobby, aside hustle, uh taking care of
kids, you know, raising kids,like it could be anything.
It doesn't really matter whatit is, whether it gets paid or
not, but there's interest,there's curiosity, there's
passion.
This podcast for you issomething that you find
interesting.
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Whenever that energy ispresent, some really cool things
happen.
It's a very high vibrationalstate.
You know, if you think abouthow you feel, you know, excited
is like, oh God, that's a goodone.
You know, love is a good one,you know, sad and depressed.
That's really bomb.
When you're in that highvibrational energy, a bunch of
things happen.
Number one, you get betterideas, you're tapped more into
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the bigger field of ideas.
So better things come to you.
Number two is greatersynchronicities happen because
the universe loves nothing morethan to create that kind of
energy.
So you get more synchronicitieswhen you're in that energy of
excitement.
And it also, interestinglyenough, brings up anything
within you that is not that tobe transformed.
It's kind of like if you werein a dark room and you start
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shining the light, you startseeing the shadow more.
And so that's true within us aswell.
When we start raising ourenergy and our vibration, the
things that are holding us backor getting in our way become
really apparent.
And we've kind of got to workthrough them to then get to the
next level.
And so it's kind of thiscomplete package.
Excitement is kind of acomplete package, it's the fuel
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for greatness, it's thevibrational state for ideas and
synchronicities, and it's alsothe state to create
transformation for us to takeeverything in our life to the
next level.
Oh, and so that is thefoundational element of what I
call genius.
Now, people think genius isthis big thing and it's way
outside them, and they don'thave it, but that is actually
not true.
Einstein, right?
Yeah, everybody thinks that itis not true.
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I say that you know, everybodyhas a genius.
We're all in the process ofgeniusing.
At some point, it looks like itis genius.
Speaker (12:42):
That's Max.
My listeners know Max, and Iapologize.
Sometimes he's quiet, but Ithink he's feeling the energy.
And Max, you wake up.
Yeah, come on in, Max.
We'll take you a bring yourlittle genius off, Max.
Yeah, yeah.
Okay, I'm sorry.
Okay, all right.
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Oh, how distressed.
Max has something to say.
Yeah, he always has somethingto say.
Um, I apologize, listeners, andto Taryn, and hopefully she
hasn't lost her train ofthought.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Well, what I would what I would say to the
listeners is back to genius, isthat in my experience, the
foundational element of geniusis passion and excitement,
curiosity, the word you want touse, whatever it is.
Locking into that unlockseverything brilliant within us.
And so it it really is abouttapping into that.
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And I think a lot of us, myselfincluded, have told ourselves a
lot of stories about why wecan't do that.
And sometimes we hide ourexcitement even from ourselves.
Okay, and that is is true forfor many, many people that I
work with.
Speaker (13:58):
Yeah, yeah.
Let me ask you, how can onefind that gene?
Like, like what do you sharewith your clients on how to find
because everybody a lot ofpeople talk about my purpose?
Like, what is my purpose?
What is it that I should bedoing?
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You know, they're so fixated onthat and not even understanding
what they're currently doing isprobably their purpose at that
time and how it can change.
Um, so those people likelisteners, some of my listeners
who are stuck and and would lovethe energy that you and I are
having, what would you suggestthey do to move forward?
Speaker 2 (14:41):
So, purpose is interesting.
And here's what I've discoveredabout purpose, because this
took me a long time to figureout.
And I kept asking myself thatquestion God, I feel like
there's a purpose.
And if I just knew what it was,then I could get on track.
Right.
Then I could be doing my thing.
And then I had a light bulbmoment, and it wasn't actually
all that long ago, it was abouta year ago.
And I thought, you know what,actually, here's the deeper
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truth.
When you start feeling what'smy purpose, what's my purpose,
what's my purpose, that isactually your soul knocking at
your like head saying, Yourpurpose is to actually follow
your excitement and to tune intowhat that is.
Because here's what happenswhen you actually are in the
energy of something that excitesyou, call it your passion, your
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curiosity, whatever you want touse, but let's just call it
excitement.
When you're really in that andyou're really doing it, you
can't help but feel on purpose.
And so it's usually whensomebody's not doing something
that lights them up, that wholething of like, what's my
purpose?
What's my purpose?
It's because it's just askingyou to find what excites you and
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to go do that because then youautomatically feel on purpose.
It's an interesting thingbecause here's the thing with
purpose purpose is whatever youwant it to be.
You know, if you want yourpurpose to cure cancer or end
world hunger or to be a greatneighbor or to be the best mom
or to, you know, love on animalswherever you see them, your
purpose can be whatever you wantit to be.
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It really can.
There's nobody out there aboveyou saying this is your purpose.
It's you deciding what you wantit to be.
You will feel on purpose whenyou're doing what excites you
because that is the the biggerpart of you in your spirit
saying, It's kind of what youcame here for, is do this thing
that lights you up.
Like that is your GPS for yourlife.
Many of us aren't actuallydoing that to the level that our
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soul would love us to be doingthat to.
Speaker (16:32):
The work that you do, um, if you get a client, do you
have clients that that arestruggling with figuring out
what excites them?
Speaker 2 (16:42):
All the time.
And this is really where I do alot of coaching.
And it's because a couple ofthings.
Number one is a lot of us don'thave practice in making
decisions on a daily basis aboutdoing what excites us.
Now, what excites us isn'talways a career.
What excites us could be youknow what, get up and go for a
walk because you might have agreat idea on that walk.
What excites us might be readthis book, go hang out with a
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friend, you know, go spend sometime in your garden.
It it is it is not the bigthings, it's in every moment
saying, What's going to exciteme?
Because when you make thosecall them micro decisions on an
hour by hour, day-by-day basis,you start building the muscle
and you start putting yourselfmore in the energy of
excitement, which is an energythat wants to build on itself.
And bigger and bigger thingscome.
(17:26):
So it's kind of like it's kindof like when you try to give
somebody advice and they don'tlisten.
You at some point you juststop, right?
Until they take some action, inwhich case you might give them
some some more advice.
Kind of the higher version ofyou or your or the part of you
is doing that.
It's like giving you advice,like go do this thing, but it's
communicating through the energyof excitement.
When you don't listen, it stopsgiving you, it stops giving you
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that until you take action.
And then it's like, okay, she'staking action.
Now you can do go.
Here's some more ideas for whatshe can do that would excite
her.
So it's a muscle.
Excitement is a muscle.
And if, and and we're nottrained for that, you know, we
go to school, the school system.
There's nothing inside of thatsystem that is stoking the flame
of excitement for anybody,unless somebody's really
self-motivated, and you know,people are, but it's the system
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itself is not designed for that.
Right.
If anything, I would actuallyargue it's the opposite of that.
Um, and then we go into thecorporate world, and the
corporate world is not worried,Cassandra, about your
excitement, it is worried aboutthe status report that you need
to get done by Tuesday.
That's right.
And so we don't have a lot ofpractice.
And so if we're stuck, it'sbecause we need to kind of build
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that muscle up, and this is howyou do it.
Speaker (18:34):
Okay, okay.
And so share again how do theybuild that by doing what?
Speaker 2 (18:42):
So here's here's a couple of exercises.
Okay.
Okay, so let's take a scenariowhere somebody is in a career, a
job, a company, maybe they'veeven built something themselves
and they're just no longerfeeling it.
That phase is over, and there'ssomething's knocking at their
door, being like, you need to bemore on purpose with your life.
Now, what do you do?
Because you just have no ideawhat the idea is, what the thing
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is, where the curiosity is,right?
There's a couple things you cando.
Number one is I would get out apiece of paper and a pencil.
Okay, and I would just say, ifyou had a billion dollars and
you never had to work again,okay, list 30 things that would
light your fire.
And almost on everybody's listis I would travel, I would do
this, I'd do that.
Get all those out of the way.
There's 10 right there, right?
Right.
And then the next 10 get kindof interesting.
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It's like, well, what I mightdo is I might start writing that
book I've always wanted towrite, or what I might do is
actually open an animal shelter,or what I might do is launch
that podcast, or what I might dois actually build that bakery.
Like there's those, right?
Okay.
And then you keep going becausethen it starts getting really
hard until you get to about 30,because the last five are pretty
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tough.
Yeah.
You go until it gets hard whereyou really have to like search
your soul for the answer.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Because that's usually where the intersection
of fear and excitement are.
And somebody once said, and Ilove this, excitement or fear is
just excitement without thebreath.
Fear is just excitement withoutthe breath.
Because usually the thing wefear the most is actually our
greatest excitement.
And those two energies gotogether, and we have a hard
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time discerning what's fear andwhat's excitement.
But the truth is, it'sexcitement that just is um a
little afraid to express itself.
That's where the juicy stuffis.
Speaker (20:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
That's where the juicy stuff is.
And I'll just give you apersonal example.
So a friend of mine, this isabout a year ago, she said we
should do a TikTok challenge.
By the way, I've not been onTikTok.
I just didn't feel like it wasmy place.
Yeah.
She said, 90 days, we're goingto do TikTok.
You want to talk abouttriggering fear in me is to be
on TikTok just riffing onwhatever without a script.
Oh man, you just hit all myfear buttons.
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You know, there's probablysomething in here, and I should
do it.
I don't know.
Anybody on TikTok, I can justdo whatever I want to do, I
guess.
And I'm just going to commit to90 days.
And so I did 90 days of TikTokposts a year ago.
And I've actually kept up withit.
And be and and here's what itwas.
The first one was terrifying.
I was like, oh my God, what amI doing?
Yeah.
And then what you realize isthat fear is all in your mind.
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And the greater the fear, thecloser you are to the great the
breakthrough.
So you gotta kind of pushthrough it and get to the
breakthrough.
The breakthrough for me wasactually getting out my camera
and filming the TikTok.
And so and it sounds dumbbecause now I'm like, how was I
ever afraid of that?
It's just TikTok.
A year ago, it was like a realthing.
I was terrified.
And this I've done film, youknow, this is not like I'm not a
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stranger to this medium, butfor some reason it just hit my
hot buttons, and so I did it.
And and that is where you knowyou're just on the brink of
breakthrough, is when the fearis the highest.
And so you write down yourlist, you figure out where the
intersection of fear andexcitement is, and then you give
yourself a task.
And the task might be, youknow, 90 days of something
that's gonna terrify you.
(21:51):
I'm gonna do 90 days ofactually building new recipes,
I'm gonna do 90 days ofpodcasts, I'm gonna do 90 days
of whatever the next day is foryou.
Okay, because the first one youdo, you're gonna be like, Well,
that wasn't actually scary, andthen you get some practice, and
then you build an incredibleskill that then is exciting and
brings you more, more ideas,more stuff.
And and that's just kind of theengine of how it works.
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Uh-huh.
Speaker (22:15):
Oh, that's good.
Yeah, because listen, I want todo the my listeners, don't even
know this.
I'm just sharing.
I want to do a TEDx talk.
Oh, yeah.
And I'm like, what in theworld?
I am like fear.
It's like, why does that keepknocking on me?
A 10x.
What?
What am I gonna say?
What am I gonna do?
So you were very helpful there.
(22:36):
I haven't made the decision yetto do it, but that's something
that I've been wanting to do inthe last month.
I don't know what's going on.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Right now, they're taking applications for TED
Talks, and there's it's inSeptember, end of September.
If you get invited in, I'llsend you the link actually after
this.
Uh so they are they'reaccepting open invitations for
the big TED stage, and you yeah.
Speaker (23:00):
Oh my gosh.
Okay.
Well, with that, let me ask youwhat's the difference between
an ego-based desire and a trueinner inner desire?
Wrestling.
Oh man, that is the bestquestion.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
And I will tell you what.
Um that that is such a fabulousquestion because it is hard to
discern uh sometimes.
And I'll just give you a storyfrom my personal life.
So when I did Everyday Geniusthe first time, Everyday Genius
Institute 15 years ago, I wouldsay that came from a very
divinely inspired place.
It was incredibly alsoego-driven.
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I wanted a business that wouldbe successful.
I kind of wanted to provemyself I could do it and do
something no one's done beforethat everyone thinks was so
cool.
And it was all of those things,but it I pushed myself so hard
from that ego place to just makeit and prove it.
And and beautiful things cameout of that work.
So it was great, but it wasreally a place of more about me.
(23:59):
What did I want?
What was going to make me feelworthy, valuable, interesting,
you know, all those things.
Inside of that was excitement.
So it wasn't, but the push toburnout, which is what happened
on that journey, was a veryego-driven push to burnout.
You know, so then I unravel allthat.
I go on my walkabout, I kind ofcome back to the corporate
(24:20):
world in an interesting way.
And then after all that kind ofgot settled out, healed out,
the desire that was pure cameback through for everyday
genius.
It wasn't about me provinganything, it was truly about
being of service with this work.
And it's not that I need thefame.
I'm just genuinely excited tohelp people with a
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transformation.
And I I because I'm in thatenergy, it's not a burnout
energy.
It actually creates moreexcitement and more fuel.
And I can't wait to get up anddo it.
And then the minute I start tofeel overwhelmed, I say, this is
not how genius works.
Genius is an excitement is notmeant to make you feel
overwhelmed.
I stop and I said, you knowwhat?
Stop.
You're not meant to feeloverwhelmed.
Now it's not that there's not aminute here or there, but it's
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just in general, the overwhelmis a very clear signal that you
got to scale back and thinkabout it differently, maybe get
more creative about how you doit, remove some things that are
making it too busy, you know.
Because again, passion andexcitement is a beautiful
energy.
The minute it starts to feeloverwhelming is the minute we've
stepped over into doing morethan we actually need to do.
Oh, that is so good.
Speaker (25:25):
Oh my gosh, because I was a burned out queen.
Yeah, me too.
Right there, right there withyou.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And many of my listeners are.
They're just burnt out, they'reexhausted.
Wow, that's that's good.
That's good.
And when I think about thetimes when I was burned out, I
was trying to prove something toothers that I can do this.
(25:50):
So therefore, I had to workharder, work longer hours.
And for some of my listeners, Isaid, because I was always the
first African-American female inall of my leadership roles.
And with that, I was like,okay, they think they think I'm
I'm a number, I'm a quota.
And I was listening, oh no, I'mgonna prove to them.
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And I was exhausted.
So you are right on.
Thank you, thank you, thankyou.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
And I I speak, I have walked through this fire.
This is not like me sittinghere being like, you should do
this.
I have walked through this fireof burnout probably three times
in my life to the point where Iwas laying on my couch and
couldn't get up.
I was so exhausted.
I know what that is, and uh,it's taken me a long time to
really understand how it'ssupposed to work and to retrain
my brain.
Okay, that's good.
Speaker (26:39):
I love that.
Oh my goodness gracious.
Okay, following your passionwill also surface your deepest
blocks.
Okay, so when you move towardwhat truly lights you up, it's
just like the book I wrote,which it took me 12 years to
(27:03):
write it, like starting apodcast.
Man, was I blocked?
I was like, okay, I'm notsupposed to write this book.
Um, what am I gonna say?
I don't even what am I gonnasound professional?
Am I gonna sound intelligent?
You know, I just what why whydoes it bring up the most
outdated, limited versions ofwho we think we are?
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Well, it's kind of what I said earlier.
Excitement is a very highvibrational, very light-filled
energy.
You feel light when you'reexcited is a light-filled
energy.
When the light shines bright,it really casts the shadow much
more visibly.
And so that shadow within us isthe blocks, the like you just
said, the outdated versions ofus, the outdated thinking, these
(27:49):
limiting beliefs that aren'ttrue, but in our mind we think
they are, because that's justkind of how beliefs work.
And beliefs, let's just take apause and talk about beliefs
because I'm super passionateabout beliefs.
So, what is a belief?
A belief can be both somethingreally empowering.
Kind of, I think of it like theangel on my shoulder being
like, You can do it, you'reloved, right?
You know, um, people arewonderful, you know, like these
beliefs that are just reallyfeel-good, empowering kinds of
(28:11):
beliefs.
That's like the little angel onyour shoulder, yeah.
Like, all the good things,little cheerleader.
And we we all have reallypositive beliefs, otherwise, we
just wouldn't exist here, youknow.
Um, the little I call it littledevil on the shoulder, just to
kind of give the visual analogyis the ones of like you're not
good enough, you don't deserveit, you're not worthy, nobody's
gonna want you, you're notlikable, you don't have anything
(28:33):
to say, you don't know how tosay it right.
You know, all those things thatare like, now here's the thing
with with beliefs that littlekind of devil on your shoulder,
if you will, it's likewhispering all that into your
ear, which is really just uswith that inner dialogue, but I
think the visual's helpfulbecause when I say this part,
it'll make sense.
Is that little devil on yourshoulder wants to stay alive at
(28:55):
all costs?
So take a belief like I have towork hard to make money.
Many of us have that belief,yes, especially in American
culture.
And especially I live on theWest Coast, West Coast culture
is even more so than almostanywhere.
I have to work hard to makemoney.
Okay, so that's a belief, andthat little devil on your
shoulder is like, you've got towork harder to make money,
(29:15):
you've got to work harder tomake money, and then your whole
reality is architected aroundthat being true.
And so then you work reallyhard and you make some money,
and you're like, see, I wasright, I have to work hard to
make money.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Uh-huh.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
And if I don't work hard, that little belief starts
triggering a ton of fear in you.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Uh-huh.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
That if I don't work hard, I'm not going to have
money, my life's going to fallapart, all of that.
And so it keeps that fear keepsthe belief alive that something
bad is going to happen ifthat's not true.
Right.
Right.
That's the devil at work, ifyou will.
And I say devil, I say thatjokingly because it's really
just a part of us, you know,believing this, right?
Right.
And so when you can recognizeand ask yourself, what would I
(29:59):
have to believe to be true inorder to feel this thing of
fear?
You know, that, you know, Ihave to work hard, no one's
going to support me.
Like, there's usually somethingbelow I have to work hard, I'm
not supported, something likethat.
When you kind of get in touchby asking, okay, what would I
really have to believe to betrue to feel this fear that I'm
feeling around, you know, notmaking money or but not being
supported or being alive becauseI'm not working hard.
(30:20):
When you can really like hearwhat that is and you can shine a
light on that just by seeingit, it often starts to make no
sense.
You're like, I'm not supported.
Well, is that true?
I mean, I look around my lifeand I am supported, like magical
things have happened.
You know, people do make sureI'm okay.
I've got, you know, resources,I'm creative.
Like you realize, like, it'sjust not true.
And then it just starts tounravel by itself.
(30:40):
And and so we've all got a lotof these beliefs, and many of
them aren't true.
But that little devil of ourshoulder is working hard to make
sure that we keep the beliefthat they are so that little
devil can stay alive and withus.
Like I'll stay with you foreveras long as you believe this.
Right.
Right.
I always give that little devila voice because then it becomes
(31:02):
kind of outrageous, right?
I want to be with you forever.
You can't let me go.
I'm going to make you feelreally afraid.
Oh, and as long as you feelafraid, you have to keep me so I
can stay with you forever.
Right.
Like you can give it kind oflike this creepy weird voice,
right?
So it's patterned.
And then when you can unravelit, you realize that it was
never true.
We just believed it was trueand were too afraid to have any
(31:25):
other belief.
And every one of them is likethat.
You know, people don't love me.
I mean, think of all of them.
If I do this TED talk, I'mgonna be laughed at, and
nobody's gonna think of anythinggood to say, they're not gonna
respect me.
Like it just endless chatter,right?
Speaker 1 (31:39):
Uh-huh.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
So when you get really in touch with the fear,
what am I really afraid of ingiving this TED talk?
And I'm just gonna use anexample because you mentioned
it.
And then you really ask, like,what would I have to believe to
be true to feel this fear aroundcreating a TED talk?
And when you can really shine alight on that within yourself,
and you can sit with it, you canrealize, well, it's not true.
Now the belief is going to tryto convince you, yeah.
But look at all this data, youknow.
(32:01):
And if you did get laughed at,everything would be horrible.
And so it starts triggering allthis fear, but again, that fear
is you on the brink of abreakthrough, still walking
through it, right?
The devil loves nothing littledevil on your shoulder loves
hates nothing more than youactually taking action despite
the fear.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
That's good, yeah.
Speaker (32:18):
Because, you know, I was gonna ask you, how does one
move through that innerresistance?
That's hard, man.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Yeah, I love to tell you it's easy, it's hard.
And some beliefs are harderthan others because there's some
really sometimes there's somereally deep trauma and some
really deep stuff there.
So some of those are harderthan others, some are just like
once you shine a light on it,you're like, well, that doesn't
make any sense.
Move on.
One I've been playing with,just to give you a fun example,
is I thought, wouldn't it be funto win the lottery?
I just had this idea like,wouldn't it be fun to win the
(32:47):
lottery?
I have a belief that I can'twin the lottery, and I was like,
Well, is that true?
Millions of people win thelottery.
So I've been trying to rewiremy brain to win the lottery
because I think it'd be reallyfun.
Now, that that one's not such ahard one for me to unravel.
The much harder one for me tounravel is this thing of like,
people don't like me, which isso funny because often our
greatest limiting belief is theexact thing that we are the best
(33:08):
at.
And it's it's like beautifulpeople think they're not
beautiful.
So the paradox is like yourgreatest gift and skill and
ability and an attribute isusually where your deepest
limiting belief is.
Crazy paradox.
Wow, that's yeah.
So, like for you, for example,I would say probably your
greatest skill and attribute isactually sharing your message
publicly, and yet here you arewith it being one of your
(33:29):
greatest fears.
Uh-huh.
And it's just the paradox ofthe way it works, right?
Speaker (33:34):
Yeah, yeah.
Oh my gosh.
Oh my gosh.
Wow.
Well, listen, this is weird.
Back in my corporate days, Iremember I was in the hotel
business, and there was a guestthat used to come often.
And then one day she'd asked meto um, because she talked to me
(33:54):
for a minute.
I'm like, okay, one, I guessthere's a problem in the hotel
or whatever.
And she asked me, she said, Iwant you, and I know you can be
a great speaker.
And I looked at her like agreat speaker.
I'm in this, I'm like, I'mtrying to run a hotel.
What are you talking about?
And and she said, So this iswhat I want you to do.
(34:16):
I want you to speak onsomething, but I need you to
videotape it for me.
And then I want you to send itto me.
And I looked at her likevideotape.
Oh my god, I don't even knowwhat to say, you know?
And and I have never forgottenher.
And she lives somewhere in NewYork working for this big, I
don't know, I don't know.
(34:37):
But that has resonated with meever since she said it, and that
was years ago.
And one of the things I foundeven on my vision board, I
always wanted to be a speaker.
And I was like, where did thatcome from?
And then I'm like, now like Icould speak at corporate, but to
speak on my own, my ownbusiness, you know.
So you that that resonated withme when you were talking about,
(35:00):
I can't do that is here, butyet I can, you know, like I
speak all the time.
So that that was interestinghow it's coming back to me.
And now I want to do a TEDxtalk.
I'm like, oh boy.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
You know what's so cool about that story that I
just ooh, I love it so much.
Is this little angel walkedinto your life in the form of a
guest at your hotel, right?
That sparked something in youthat you've probably been
thinking about for 10 years orhowever long ago this was.
And and what that little thatyou little human angel did was
(35:35):
see something in you that youdidn't necessarily see in
yourself, lit a little flamethat's been burning and now it's
a bit roaring.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Right?
Yeah.
And it might have taken howeverlong ago this was five, 10
years.
Right.
Uh more.
I think that that's reallythese little, I call them
angels.
These little angels appear onour path to help us step into
our fullest destiny.
And if you really think abouttime not being linear, right?
Maybe you weren't ready 10years ago.
Again, I don't know how longago it was, but but that person
(36:04):
was there as a guide to help youreally step into your highest
destiny.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
And and and it just looked, it just looked like a
guest at your hotel.
And I think these things happenall the time because it really
is when you're meant to dosomething, people see it in you
before you see it in yourself.
That's also true, too.
Speaker (36:20):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
Wow.
Speaker (36:23):
Wow.
Okay.
Now, um, so we kind of talkedabout some tools um that that to
move through the fear and intoyour genius.
Are there any other tools youlike to share um in your
(36:43):
toolbox?
Because my listeners are reallystruggling with taking that
next step or doing that nextchapter.
Any tools you could share?
Speaker 2 (36:54):
Yeah, I think a big one, especially when you're
tired and burned out, is itoften takes a lot of energy to
launch something new.
And so I think there is oftenan inquiry.
Let's say you're in a corporatejob and you're tired and
exhausted.
Often what is needed is aperiod of rest before a big
creation or idea will comethrough.
(37:16):
And so I think oftentimespeople try to move too fast from
burnout into excitement.
And while that can happen,yeah, in my experience, a little
bit of rest is needed.
And the rest, though, to beproductive in the rest.
Now, the rest might be I'm justgonna stop doing a bunch of
this and create more space in mylife.
You know, I'm no longer gonnago to these meetings, I'm no
(37:37):
longer gonna help this friend,I'm no longer gonna say yes to
all these work projects,whatever.
Like there's a a not-to-do listin in all of us.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
And using that space to create some rest, but then
filling it with not watchingNetflix and being on our phones
and numbing out, but fill itwith little moments of
excitement to rekindle theflame.
And it feels like that takes alot of energy, but when it's at
your excitement, it doesn't.
You know, it's like again, I'mgonna read a book today.
I'm gonna go, you know, hangout with my friends because it's
(38:08):
fun.
I'm gonna go just sit in thepark under the sun.
They can be the smallest ofthings, but they're moments just
for you that feel good.
And so it's being productive inthe rest without trying to
launch, you know, the next bigthing.
Because that will happen, butit will happen when you have
enough energy to do it.
And do you know?
(38:28):
And so I I think because whenyou jump from busy corporate
burnout to this thing that doesexcite you, but there hasn't
been a period of rest and you'reand you're burned out, right?
Uh it won't be the highest, itwon't be the highest version of
the thing because the highestversion of the thing needs fresh
energy, and it's really hard tohave it when you're depleted.
Speaker (38:51):
Right, right.
It's just like relationships.
I get out of one and getanother, and that doesn't work,
so then I get out of anotherone, right?
Speaker 2 (38:58):
Yeah, you need some time to reflect and integrate
what just happened.
Speaker (39:01):
Yeah, exactly, exactly.
It's a good analogy.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
That's a good analogy.
Yeah, so I think for one thing,it's really an honest inquiry
of am I ready for the nextthing, or do I just need to be
better about saying no to somethings and creating some space
to build mini excitements?
Right.
Number one.
Number two, I would say is foranybody listening, because this
is sort of a self-improvementpodcast, I would say you've
already been geniusing for avery long time.
(39:24):
You have an incredible amountof skills and abilities.
What might have been a passion10 years ago is just served its
time.
You've built the skills, you'vedone the thing, and you're
ready for the next expression ofyou, the next genius of you, if
you will.
And and and it's okay, right?
Because here's how geniusworks, right?
People think that genius is onething.
I really don't know anyonethat's done one thing their
(39:45):
whole life.
Even if you look at someonewho's done painting their whole
life or music, they've done itthrough different angles and
lenses and tried differentthings.
For myself, just to use myselfas an example, I've done
consulting and coaching in someway my whole life, but it's in
very different contexts, doingvery different kinds of that
work and building a lot ofdifferent skills with different
(40:05):
angles.
Um, and so that the thread hasbeen consistent, but the actual
job has changed a lot.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
Right.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
And so I think, you know, I can't speak for your
past, but my sense for you isthat there's been a real sense
of community.
You know, that's kind of insome ways like I think the hotel
business or the hospitalitybusiness is like that, making
people feel at home whereverthey are, right?
Speaker 1 (40:25):
Yeah, right.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
You know, and community in a hotel is is a
beautiful way to build kind ofhospitality and community, but
so is a podcast.
It's a different expression ofthe same genius.
Speaker (40:35):
Wow.
So when one says yes to theirgenius, what happens?
Magical things happen.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
Um and and when I say yes to genius, I think a lot of
people have been saying yes allalong.
Maybe when someone's ready forthe next thing, it's like,
what's the next thing I'm gonnasay yes to?
The next expression, the nextuh angle, the next lens with
which I'm going to look at thisthing that I really enjoy.
And so just I think yourexample is a is a great one.
(41:03):
You know, you go from corporatewhere that that was a passion
probably for a long time.
It no longer became a cashafter you built all the skills
and you were ready to to take itto the next level and build it
through a different lens andbuild the skills of community
and hospitality through a verydifferent lens.
I often think the best speakersdo this too.
They they're really good atmaking their audiences feel
(41:25):
welcomed and feel like a part ofsomething and feel like um like
there's something in themthat's special, you know.
And my sense is that's kind ofwhat what you do when you speak.
And so again, it's hospitality,but on a stage.
Does that make sense?
And so your genius, you've beendoing it all along.
You're just ready for adifferent expression of that
genius.
And so for anyone listening,you've been geniusing all along.
(41:47):
You just may be ready for a newexpression of how to genius.
And so that's where theexcitement comes in because
that's your that's your soulsaying, This is what's next,
this is it.
And if you're not hearing thewhispers, that's okay.
You might need a pause, youmight need a pause, do little
mini excitements, and then thebigger one will come.
Speaker (42:05):
Wow, so many nuggets.
I I was gonna ask you somethingelse, my last question, but
you've done it.
And I'm like your first person,second person, third person.
You used it like in a movie,you know, and you said I love
that.
And I was gonna ask you for mylistens, but you just done it.
(42:27):
You just did it.
Um for individuals that arelike I was, and I'm not saying I
will always be this way, butjust stuck, just like I am with
the TEDx, you know, I'm a littlestuck here now.
Okay, so I wanted you to usethe second person and imagine as
(42:51):
you're talking to a personthat's stuck, but you because
you're you in other words, youhow how some how how you see
someone, not how they seethemselves.
So if you were to talk insecond person to individuals
that are stuck, how someone elsesees them, how would you how
(43:13):
would you see them?
And you said you already got agene, you already got your
genius.
Speaker 2 (43:21):
Well, this is what I do in my healing, right?
Is that I I can literally stepinside somebody, that's the
second person.
I can step inside them and seetheir genius, I can see the
blocks, I can see a lot ofpatterning.
And so, like in your case, justbecause you and I are having
this conversation, like I canreally step in as you and say
the stuckness is it's in thethroat, right?
(43:42):
What do I say?
What do I say?
That's where it feels stuck.
And so that might not be truefor everybody, but for you, I
feel that.
Like, what do I say?
And what I would say then isokay, you're not sure what to
say.
That's okay.
What I would do, you talkedabout the second person.
Imagine you're in the audience.
What do you want to hear?
(44:02):
If if you were both on thestage and in the audience at the
same time, what would you wantto hear you saying?
Because it's an interestingexercise, right?
The first person is you, secondperson is stepping into
someone's shoes, third person iskind of seeing it like a movie.
Yeah, and so this is a is apowerful exercise because when
we're not sure a decision tomake, often if we can just shift
our perspective into one ofthose, we can get more
(44:24):
information.
So let's just do this real timesince we're here.
Cassandra, imagine you're inthe audience.
What would be the mostinteresting thing that Cassandra
on stage would be saying toyou?
Would she be saying?
Would she be talking aboutblocks?
Would she be talking about herjourney?
Like, what'd she be talkingabout?
Speaker (44:40):
I'll probably be talking about um what happens
when your way is in your way.
unknown (44:47):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker (44:49):
And what it would feel like when you get out of it.
Speaker 2 (44:52):
Yeah, and exactly.
So there's your talk.
Yeah, you know, and and so it'sif you're imagining you're in
the audience listening toyourself talk, and then you can
say, Okay, is that interesting?
Would I actually want to hearthat?
Because here's the funny thingwe always create for ourselves,
really.
And I always tell myself, if Ifind it interesting, surely
somebody else, at least oneother person on the planet, is
gonna find it interesting.
Right.
So make the talk for you,right?
(45:14):
Imagine you're the one in theaudience, because I can promise
you there's 50 people in theaudience that are feeling the
exact same way you are, or thatwant to hear the exact same
information.
You're your own best audiencemember, and you just write the
talk you want to hear.
And that's the second personperspective.
You're sitting in the audiencelistening to you, yeah, hearing
the talk that you want to hear,and then that's just the one you
end up writing.
You snap back into yourself,and you're like, I'm gonna write
(45:35):
that talk.
Speaker (45:36):
Wow, that's good.
Speaker 2 (45:38):
Well, thank you.
Thank you.
You know, it's funny.
My sister's a baker, and Ialways say, How do you know what
to bake?
Well, I'm just it's becausewhat I want to eat.
Speaker (45:46):
Right.
Yes, right.
Speaker 2 (45:47):
So she makes recipes she wants, she doesn't care
about everybody else.
And according to K they'reamazing.
Exactly.
Speaker (45:52):
That's what I do with gifts.
Speaker 2 (45:54):
I don't want that gifts, so I'm gonna give them
that.
Yeah, so do the same for that.
And it's and and for anybodylistening, this is a great
exercise.
If you don't know what to donext, well, what do I want?
Do I want you know, this kindof coaching in my life?
Do I want this kind of store inmy life?
Do I want this kind ofexperience in my life?
And then go build that becauseyou're if you build it for you,
(46:15):
a lot of people are gonna likeit.
Speaker (46:17):
Right, right.
Wow, Taryn, that was great.
Yeah, well, as my listenersknow, I always say when I'm
really enjoying a conversation,I could talk with you longer.
But as they know, we can't talkall day.
So, with that said, I'd like myaudience and my listeners to
(46:39):
know how can they get in touchwith you?
Speaker 2 (46:43):
One of the favorite things I do is my newsletter.
It's a bi-weekly newsletter onstrategies of genius,
motivation, you know, tipsaround passion and purpose.
It is really a fun, feel-goodnewsletter.
So please, it's free.
Sign up for my newsletter atTarin Voget.substack.com.
It's on Substack, and it'sfree.
And it's the best way to keepin touch with me.
And then you can, you know, getto all my other places from
(47:03):
there, my YouTube channel, andthere's a bunch of great videos
on my YouTube channel aroundthis.
And uh check out my services.
But really, my Substack is myfavorite thing.
Uh, so find me there andsubscribe.
It's free and just enjoy itevery couple of weeks.
It's it's a really fun feelgood in your inbox.
Speaker (47:18):
Right.
Well, I'm definitely gonnasubscribe to that.
Thank you.
Yes, Karen, thank you so muchfor all those nuggets.
Um, a lot of things you spread,I'm gonna call them diamonds.
It's like you just sprinkle,which which to me it lights up,
you know, and that's what you'vedone.
If you lit me up, you've litothers up.
(47:38):
And I so appreciate you beingmy guest today.
And I always tell my guests,and I said it once, I'm gonna
say it again.
Please share this podcast withsomeone that you know that it's
gonna be a blessing to them.
And also, if if in fact youmissed some of the tidbits that
(48:02):
were spoken, you can replay itand replay it and replay this.
And this is gonna be on allpodcast platforms.
So, again, Taryn, thank you somuch.
And my guest, as I always say,bye for now.
God bless you and know that Ilove you.
Thanks so much.
(48:23):
Thank you for having me.
What a wonderful, what awonderful show.
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