April 26, 2026 • 51 mins
Join us for expert honest analysis, news commentary and current events discussion about politics, healthcare, the environment, veterans and the Bible.
(00:00) Recent actions and comments by Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and HHS about healthcare and vaccines are examined.
(05:53) Dr. Robert Steinbrook, Health Research Group Director with Public Citizen, shares his analysis of the changes by HHS to children vaccine schedules along with the reasons behind them and the concerns they create.
(18:27) Kevin J. Mooney, Investigative Journalist with Restoration News and The Daily Caller, reveals how and why political activism has taken over environmentalism as well as what the impact of that activism has been.
(31:21) Actress and author Jennifer O'Neill discusses the alarming suicide rate among military veterans from PTSD and how the work at Hope & Healing At Hillenglade is helping our veterans cope and heal.
(44:40) Chris DeBello tells what the Bible teaches about the importance and need of reading God's Word.
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SPEAKER_05 (00:00):
Hello, welcome to Issues and Ideas.
I'm Chris Tobello.
A report has found the COVIDnineteen vaccines cut in half
the chances that an adult herein the U.S.
would have to go to the ER or behospitalized with the infection
last fall and winter.
Small problem, you're not goingto uh find this report to be
able to read this report.
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At least not from the agencythat led the research, the U.S.
Centers for Disease Control andPrevention, the head of the CDC,
Dr.
J.
Bodicharya, who is also, by theway, the director of the U.S.
National Institutes of HealthNIH, blocked the publication of
those findings in the CDC'sjournal, the Morbidity and
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Mortality Weekly Report.
Now we have the authors of thestudy who got the official
rejection letter from thejournal this past Tuesday, even
though the study had clearedwhat are called internal reviews
and had been scheduled forpublication.
Yes, this is unusual because thestudy followed the normal
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methods that the agency uses toestimate the effectiveness of
vaccines against seasonalrespiratory viruses like COVID
and flu.
List goes on from there.
According to sources fromwithin, Bontacharya took issue
with the study's test negativedesign.
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HHS didn't answer any questionsabout what exactly the concerns
are, but that's been at leastthe expressed reason for killing
the report.
What's additionally odd aboutthis is the process used to
arrive at the conclusions is thestandard way of measuring
vaccine effectiveness for COVID,RSV, other seasonal respiratory
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viruses.
Now it's no secret.
The COVID nineteen vaccines havebeen a a particular target of
RFK Jr., the the head of HHS.
Back in June, he announced theCOVID 19 vaccines would no
longer be recommended forpregnant women and kids.
Last September, the agency's newvaccine advisors removed the
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CDC's blanket recommendation forCOVID-19 vaccines for everyone
six months and older, andinstead recommending that the
vaccine be given after sharedclinical decision making,
meaning with a recommendation orprescription from a doctor or
pharmacist.
March meeting of the vaccineadvisors was due to report on
injuries related to COVID-19vaccines, but that was postponed
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because of a legal ruling.
And just this past Tuesday in acongressional hearing, R.
F.
K.
Jr.
actually denied his vaccineviews, played a role in
declining vaccination rates, anddisputed that he has been
anti-vaccine.
Oh, really?
Then who was it who has beenleading the charge against
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vaccines claiming that they arelinked to autism?
RFK Jr.
Who's been the loudest voiceclaiming that the COVID vaccine
is, quote, the deadliest vaccineever made.
That would be RFK Jr.
The same RFK Jr.
who in the past has argued thatchildren's gender identity can
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be impacted by water and that 5Ghigh-speed wireless networks are
being used to control ourbehavior.
This past week got a little bitmore heavy for RFK Jr.
as he attempted in front of aSenate committee hearing in
exchange with Senator ElizabethWarren, he tried to explain
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Trump math.
Check this out.
SPEAKER_00 (04:00):
He claims that Trump Rx has reduced prices by as much
as 600%.
600%, which I think meanscompanies should be paying you
to take those drugs.
But let's do some real mathhere.
Take one drug protonic.
A 30-day supply of thisheartburn medication cost$200 on
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Trump RX.
But there is an identicalgeneric version of this pill
called hand pill resolve.
SPEAKER_02 (04:40):
Oh but I would say that's a drug.
There's two ways of calculatingpercent of the drug and you
would do that.
SPEAKER_00 (04:57):
Do you know what the drug costs at Costco?
SPEAKER_02 (05:02):
I do not.
SPEAKER_00 (05:04):
The drug is$16 at Costco.
Crop RX charges$200 forprotonics, and Costco charges
$16.
Is the treatment for heartarrhythmia costs$336 on Trump
RX?
(05:24):
Or you can get the generic atcost plus drug for$12.
So you tell me, Mr.
Secretary, are patients betteroff paying$336 on top RX or$12
at Crop plus drugs?
SPEAKER_02 (05:42):
You're comparing apples to oranges because you're
uh comparing the brand drug tothe generic drug.
SPEAKER_00 (05:49):
Yeah, to the exact same drug.
SPEAKER_05 (05:53):
Throughout our history, vaccines were always
seen as a reliable, essentialpretty much for our health and
well-being.
Then along came the COVID-19pandemic.
As a result of misinformationconspiracies, they were able to
reach many more people duringthose times of solitude.
What had been a small anti-vaxmovement grew and it grew
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significantly.
Now, as we all know, we havesomeone who has long been an
opponent of vaccines, heading upthe federal government agency,
which is responsible for issuinghealth care guidance.
The reality has resulted inchanges by HHS and the CDC
regarding children and vaccineschedules.
With us now to explain whatthese changes are, what their
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impact just might be is HealthResearch Group Director at
Public Citizen, Dr.
Robert Steinberg.
How are you today, Doctor?
SPEAKER_03 (06:45):
Doing okay.
Uh thank you for having me.
SPEAKER_05 (06:48):
And find out more about Public Citizen, the points
of focus they have, theinformation education they
provide.
It is citizen.org, and we dohave that link at our homepage.
Let us start with the basics,Doctor, then we'll get into the
uh concerns or the potentialimpacts of these decisions.
What had been the vaccineschedule initially before these
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changes?
SPEAKER_03 (07:12):
Well, the the childhood and vaccine
immunization schedule is complexuh because uh before the changes
involved uh vaccinating childrenand adolescents against sex 17
different diseases, and uh eachdisease and the vaccines are are
different uh in terms of thetiming of the vaccines, the
specifical medical reasons to umvary things between individuals
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and so forth.
The overall picture is uhrecommending from the federal
government, the CDC, that allchildren now be vaccinated
against only 11 diseases.
By comparison, the previousrecommendation was 17 diseases.
So six have been removed fromthe CDC recommendations.
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Uh another aspect of this isthat the CD has the CDC has said
that all immunizationsrecommended as of December 31st
of last year, 2025, will becontinue to be covered by the
Affordable Care Act InsurancePlans and Federal Health
Insurance Programs.
So, from a practical standpoint,all of the vaccines against all
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17 diseases will continue to beavailable and will continue to
be um uh reimbursable byinsurance uh with no changes.
Uh the difference is movingthings from being recommended to
in some categories uh the changeis to shared decision making
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with the clinician, and in somecategories it's to um high risk
groups.
Um some of the noteworthy uhvaccines uh which are affected
are those against hepatitis A,hepatitis B, and rotavirus.
Uh it's worth recommend uhremembering that with hepatitis
B, we are starting from a pointwhere this was recommended a
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birth dose for all newborns, andnow it's being moved to a
category of shared decisionmaking, which is a quite
significant change.
SPEAKER_05 (09:12):
Aaron Powell And what you described too, that's
the reason why there's nowbasically three tiers for the
specific vaccines for thedegrees and the availability
like you referenced.
SPEAKER_03 (09:22):
Yes, there are three tiers, and uh when one gets down
into the details about each uhuh immunization, it gets more
complicated.
But the big picture is a stepbackwards uh for public health.
Uh with the possibility goingforward uh that many uh
preventable hospitalizationswill happen and many people will
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die prematurely now.
Do we know exactly how this isgoing to play out?
No.
Um there are a couple ofpotential positive factors to
countervail this.
Uh states issue guidance, publichealth guidance for their states
about recommendations how to dothis in the state, and many
states are pushing back and notaccepting this and saying that
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children should be vaccinatedexactly as they were under the
uh previous schedule.
Uh and also health insurers uhoutside of the federal
government programs havecommitted already to covering
the recommended uh vaccines asof September of uh last year.
Finally, professional societiessuch as the American Academy of
Pediatrics have also been quiteclear uh in uh their view that
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uh these changes are not the wayto go and that the uh prior um
uh childhood immunizationschedule was just fine.
SPEAKER_05 (10:40):
Dr.
Robert Steinberg, who is healthresearch group director of
Public Citizens, citizen.org,their website, and you are
listening to issues and ideas.
What was the basis that the CDCused for for these decisions?
What were I mean, when when yousay science, you always think of
study and exploration to come toa finite conclusion.
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Was that the case here?
SPEAKER_03 (11:05):
No.
Uh uh this was a top-downpolitically driven directive to
unilaterally change thechildhood vaccination schedule.
Uh couple aspects of how this uhuh went down are uh noteworthy
to discuss.
One is that uh the Health Um andHuman Services Secretary, Robert
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F.
Kennedy Jr., uh had uh firedeverybody on the advisory
committee on immunizationpractices, which usually uh uh
reviews um all the immunizationrecommendations from the CDC and
any changes uh to the uhchildhood vaccine schedule.
Um so this was a hand-picked uhcommittee, which had also
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started to make uh somerecommended changes, such as
with the hepatitis B vaccine attheir December meeting.
That committee was entirelybypassed.
Uh this came directly from theacting uh director of the CDC,
uh Jim O'Neill, who is not aphysician, um uh with input from
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some of the other politicalemployees, uh such as those at
the FDA, uh, the NIH and CMS,and of course people in the
central HHS uh office.
Um so uh this was not umsomething which involved any
attempt to have discussion, anyinvolvement of the career
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experts at the CDC onimmunizations, any detailed
public review of data anddiscussion.
Uh it was something that uhSecretary Kennedy Secretary
Kennedy apparently wanted to getdone and wanted to get done
yesterday.
SPEAKER_05 (12:47):
I looked at the s the reports that and the the
guidance that they issued, andthe the the the assessment
reviewed, reading from one ofthe reports here, twenty peer
developed nations finding thatthe U.S.
is a global outlier amongdeveloped nations about the
number of diseases addressed inroutine childhood vaccination
schedules and told them ofrecommended doses.
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It almost sounds to me like allthey care about the numbers of
the va the vaccine count.
I didn't see any informationabout the the level of health.
SPEAKER_03 (13:19):
The concept at some level is that children are
getting too many shots, and theyshould get fewer shots, and they
should get shots against fewerdiseases.
Uh now the motivation to avoidum shots for children or from
anybody else, that's that'sokay.
But there's a reason why peopleare getting the immunizations.
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You have to look at the science,you have to weigh the benefits
and the risks.
And when you simply say, let'shave less shots and let's do
that and forget about thereasons why the vaccines are
given in the first place, uh,that's the wrong way to do it.
Um the um immunization scheduleis a dynamic document.
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There science, there's alwaysnew information about um
vaccines and their safety andtheir effectiveness.
The effectiveness can changeover time as uh the particular
strains of various infectiousdiseases change.
So what one wants is a processwhich allows for prudent changes
as the effectiveness of vaccinesand or the safety change over
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time, uh, but it's thoughtfulpublic deliberation.
It's not a unilateraldeclaration that we just have to
have fewer shots.
SPEAKER_05 (14:35):
Or basically saying, well, they do that few there,
we're gonna do that few overhere now.
SPEAKER_03 (14:40):
Right.
And then the other point,speaking generally, is that
that's not the way to approachpublic health in the United
States, nor is it the approachto public health in another
nation.
One has to take into account thepopulation, uh the diseases
which are circulating, thehealth care system, um, and uh
what is best for one country mayuh appropriately not be the best
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for another country.
But to say uh the United Statesis in a different place than
other countries, therefore wemust change, it's it's just not
the way to approach this.
SPEAKER_05 (15:12):
And from what I was able to get a hold of and look
and study for the background forthis segment, they're comparing
vaccine numbers versus versusvaccine numbers, and not
comparing health of children inthose twenty other countries
versus the health of thechildren here in America.
But with the uh another commonthread I saw in the
rationalization for all this wasthat this is to re-establish
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trust of the American people forthe medical profession.
And I'm reading this thinkingthere's only really basically
two sizable groups who don'ttrust the medical profession.
One group are people who justfail prey to bad doctors, the
other are anti-vax people.
SPEAKER_03 (15:54):
It seems to be a a bit of um political
sloganeering.
Um in many people's view, what'sbeing done undermines trust.
It leads to confusion.
Um and um this can be arguedboth ways.
Uh our view is that these sortsof changes, particularly
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unilateral with no attempt to uhbuild professional consensus, uh
are likely to undermine trust,decrease the immunization rates,
and over time increase the uh umnumber of preventable diseases,
uh preventable uh uh illnessfrom many different uh diseases.
SPEAKER_05 (16:32):
We're seeing that with measles.
SPEAKER_03 (16:33):
There's really no data either way.
There's a lot of people makinguh political statements, and uh
that's just not the way to dopublic health.
SPEAKER_05 (16:40):
Aaron Ross Powell, but what you just said isn't a
theory.
You can look at the the outbreakand the surge of measle cases as
as proof of the fact that alower vaccine rate in those in
that instance is causing aspread of a disease that all all
intents and purposes, by medicaldefinition, we had eradicated.
SPEAKER_03 (16:56):
Well, there's no question that lower vaccination
and the frequency of vaccinepreventable diseases.
Uh unfortunately, the only wayto know is to see what happens
in the future.
And we've seen instances withwith measles right now.
Uh we may well see instanceswith other diseases uh several
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years out.
On the other hand, if theAmerican Academy of Pediatrics,
the American MedicalAssociation, the states which
have pushed back are successful,then vaccination rates in many
parts of the country will remainstrong, and the negative effects
of uh these changes to thefederal recommendations will be
less.
SPEAKER_05 (17:36):
So for a parent right now, the best thing they
can do, the best step they canmake for the children, don't
read a CDC report, talk withyour doctor.
SPEAKER_03 (17:42):
Yes, and uh doctors uh informed by the state uh
health departmentrecommendations in many states,
but there's variation, and alsoby their professional societies,
such as the American AcademyPediatrics, uh the American
College of Physicians forAdults, and the American Medical
Association more generally.
SPEAKER_05 (18:05):
Thank you for the realistic view of the situation,
and a lot of confusion happenswhen messages messages get
crossed, but science isestablished in the known and the
fact, and you help remind us ofthat.
Thanks for being here today.
SPEAKER_03 (18:19):
Okay, thanks for having me.
SPEAKER_05 (18:21):
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The division comes about whenhow to achieve and maintain all
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that is discussed and debated.
As my next guest points out withhis new book, rather than being
driven by true science,so-called environmental policies
and programs are have have beenincreasingly driven by things
like agendas, and of course,money.
He examines the pseudosciencewhich drives it, how it's being
responded to in climate porn,how and why antipopulation
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zealots fabricate science whiletargeting American capitalism,
freedom, and independence.
He is an investigativejournalist with Restoration
News.
His work is also featured at theDaily Signal and the
Commonwealth Foundation.
Kevin J.
Mooney, thanks for being heretoday, Kevin.
SPEAKER_04 (19:21):
Oh, thanks so much for having me.
SPEAKER_05 (19:23):
Glad to be here for sure.com and for Kevin's site,
Kevin Mooney.info.
We do, of course, have thoselinks at our homepage as well.
Set the foundation based on yourtitle, Kevin.
Why climate porn?
What what's the origin of thatphrase and why is it an
effective description as youfeature and explain in your
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book?
SPEAKER_04 (19:46):
Yeah, that's a great question.
Uh part of it comes into theinvestigations I did to uh into
education curriculum and how itwas being taught going back to
the COVID-19 shutdowns whenparents first became aware of
how radicalized and howpornographic some of the
material was that their childrenwere seeing.
In tandem with that, I noticedthat climate propaganda was also
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making its way into theclassroom, sort of attacking the
scientific method, telling youngpeople that you know you coerce
the outcome uh for to suit yourpolitical agenda and then just
uh manipulate the process anyold which way.
Well, of course, the scientificmethod is just the reverse.
You have a hypothesis, you uhsubject it to rigorous testing,
and then you let the ships fallwhere they may.
Uh so uh I decided uh correctly,I think, that the uh that
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approach to climate science wasevery bit as pornographic as the
conventional version and everybit as destructive too.
So it was a way to sort of weavein together several themes.
SPEAKER_05 (20:40):
Now, as you reveal in your book, too, you can go
literally around the world tofind examples of the activists
failing to prove what they callto be science, but you really
don't have to go far, at leastfor you, or not your uh your
concerns and my concerns, we'reboth based here in New Jersey,
and we just have to look atrecent actions over the past,
well, let's say a couple ofyears regarding the Jersey Shore
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and the attempts for wind energyto be literally planted off the
coast of New Jersey, which I Iguess approv it brings back the
question (21:11):
how can something which has failed so much in the
past be looked at as a successtoday like these projects were?
SPEAKER_04 (21:19):
Well, follow the money.
Um you know, a lot of the groupsand organizations that support w
offshore wind are benefitingbenefiting from it financially,
uh, but I there's a little bitof good news here in terms of
how they've been exposed.
There was a uh prettyhard-fought battle uh by a group
called Save LBI as in Long BeachI on a group of citizen
activists opposed to offshorewind.
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How would it impact theirproperty values?
How would it impact the touristindustry?
How would it impact their beachcommunities?
What they found is they weresquaring off against these well
healed, well funded climateactivists who would acknowledge
that there's some short termenvironmental damage with
offshore wind, but everythingfor them is in the name of
climate.
Their argument is that we needto sort of take a uh uh a step
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back in terms of our environmentfor long-term gain, uh sort of
these theoretical, hypotheticaluh uh climate damages that will
uh they forecast decades on out.
Well, of course, this is allphony.
If you go into the environmentalimpact statements for these
offshore projects, theyacknowledge that it's not going
to have any impact on climate.
It's all about a politicalagenda.
But I think what's happened isthat you've seen a re-emergence
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of genuine conservation andpreservation that I think goes
back to the uh before thecommand and control approach of
the 1970s.
Um and that's beginning tore-emerge and starting to take
on these well-heeled climateactivists that do not advocate
initiatives that are good forthe environment, quite the
opposite.
SPEAKER_05 (22:40):
I mean you think of it too like just a couple of
weeks ago I know Clean ActionNew Jersey just did ocean sweeps
to pick up garbage as they doevery year, several times a year
I think actually it's just anexample of how if you have
people power versus the will andthe whims of conglomerates which
is going to be the winning sidefor the environment I kind of
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think it's the power of thepeople.
SPEAKER_04 (23:02):
Yeah it is and what I'm seeing is a broad cross
section of citizens acrosspolitical lines, party lines who
were genuinely concerned abouttheir local ecology.
And like I say in the book, thisoffshore wind I think took the
blinders off a bit because Ithink they really saw for the
first time that there's an awfullot of money in organization,
also foreign money by the waytied up in these offshore wind
schemes and it does take aconcerted organized effort to
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face them down.
I would say the good news too isyou're on the one hand you're
never going to outspend andoutfundraise these well-heeled
groups.
They get donations and grantsfrom big foundations and from
outside of state you need toraise enough money to get your
message out and that is whathappened at the Jersey Shore.
They were able to detail anddemonstrate uh how how damaging
these offshore projects were andwere able to push back against
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the political class and put astop to this.
SPEAKER_05 (23:48):
And of course having Trump come in was helpful too
because there's been somechanges at the federal level
Kevin Mooney about his bookClimate porn how and why
antipopulation zealots fabricatescience while targeting American
capitalism, freedom andindependence.
His work is featured atRestoration News, Restoration
News dot com and his personalwebsite for all that is Kevin
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Mooney Kevin Mooney dot info andyou are listening to issues and
ideas.
You include antipopulation aspart of the the secondary title
in your in your book Kevin thesearen't eugenists are they?
SPEAKER_04 (24:23):
They're not looking to thin out the population and
work on thinning out the peopleto presumably protect the
environment well there's a longhistory with this ideology it's
called Malthusian named after aBritish economist Thomas
Malthusius who had this ideathat we were running out of
supplies and that the populationwas becoming detriment to the
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planet and that we needed tocurr curb and curtail the growth
of human populations.
That metastasized over time intowhat I'll call an
anti-population movement.
And I go in the book about thecommon denominator and funding
between the abortion industryand modern environmental
activists.
They essentially have the samegoals to constrain human
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population, constrain humancreativity.
They operate with a view thathumanity is a blight to the
planet um and uh that thatmovement has folded itself into
the the modern climate movementjust follow the money and it all
starts to make sense.
SPEAKER_05 (25:19):
And you also as you feature in in your book Climble
porn too is follow howconclusions are arrived at maybe
the most glaring I think for themaybe non-scientific mind is how
so-called scientists usecomputer models versus old
school scientific observationwith the understanding being
that you can tell a computer geta computer much like with any
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statistics to get to the pointyou want to get to where
observation what you'reobserving has control not you.
SPEAKER_04 (25:49):
Well exactly I mean a certain level of modeling is
fine it's all based onsupposition um but the problem
with it is it can also be usedto manipulate public policy.
You can pump in any oldassumptions that you want to get
a desired result and outcome.
And the track record of theclimate modeling of course is
way off they've greatlyoverestimated the amount of
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warming that has taken place forone thing.
And they they've been used tolend themselves to very
expensive regulatory policiesthat are not rooted in sound
science.
I will say the other bit of goodnews there, I I do think the
re-emergence of a vigorousAmerican space program I think
you know shows us the directionwe're going in.
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If the Apollo program and thecurrent moon program had relied
on modeling rather than rigoroustesting, we would have dead
astronauts on successfulmissions.
So I think what we're seeing isa real pushback against this
anti-science climate activismthat had made some and
considerable headway over thepast few decades.
So my great hope is that it'sreached its high water mark and
it's starting to recede.
SPEAKER_05 (26:51):
That's the thing too the more people are interested
in science all aspects ofscience and more aware of
science then the less likely anykind of climate panic will go
unchallenged.
But that also brings up toanother point in your book too
because by and large climatepolicies are dictated rather
than placed before legislativebodies or certainly the the
people I mean it's it's rare itdoes happen but if w if and when
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that ever rarely happens most ofthose policies fail when left uh
population votes is that one ofthe aspects that has to be
changed to why are why are whyare these bodies recognized to
be able to dictate rather than ademocratic system of allowing
people to have the save througha through a vote.
SPEAKER_04 (27:35):
Well right remember what uh President Trump said in
2016 he said I representPittsburgh not Paris meaning no
taxation without representationthat whole Paris climate treaty
was uh forced onto us throughthe United Nations it
essentially involves energytaxes and energy costs.
And if you're gonna do that uhyou need a straight up and down
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vote uh in the U.S.
Congress and the U.S.
Senate you don't let unelectedunaccountable international
bureaucrats uh coerce those kindof policies onto us it's
anti-constitutional um and uh itmakes an end run around our
democratic institutions I thinkthere's been an awakening to
that too as you know Trump didget out of the Paris Climate
Agreement uh and also out of theUN framework agreement that made
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those treaties possible.
That's an enduring lastingchange because if a future
president wants to try to get usback into those UN agreements it
means a two-thirds vote in theSenate.
Only the Senate can approvetreaties with a two-thirds vote
and I think Trump's done us alla favor by getting us out of
these unaccountable veryexpensive so-called climate
agreements aimed at constrainingAmerican energy and also
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attacking our democratic system.
SPEAKER_05 (28:39):
And this whole idea isn't limited to just a a larger
stage you can look at thestate's California to be sure
and here in New Jersey we havewhat's affectionately called the
Highlands Act but for farmersand homeowners it has been
called torture for many decadessince it's implemented.
I I get the purpose of it ofprotecting what is a large
supplier of water for themajority of the state but it's
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such a fine toothed comb thatthere was a radio station here
in the northwest part of thestate they had a transmitter
facility which was a metaltrailer that was literally
rusting away and the equipmentwas going to drop out from the
floor.
And the state said no you can'tbuild a brick building up there.
Well then how is the stationgoing to communicate necessary
information to the populationsupposed to serve if you won't
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let a transmitter or so it thatjust was a demonstration just
how fine-toothed comb a a goodidea can become and turn it into
a negative just to wrap up herelooking ahead because you you're
right in climate porn too howorganizations and groups are
fighting back for a rational,honest science.
How important is it to get truescience to the kids in schools
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versus preaching, you know,teaching instead of preaching?
SPEAKER_04 (29:50):
You know I think this intersects with a growing
school choice movement.
You know unfortunately in thepublic school system we do we
still see that propaganda beingburrowed in there.
There's all these differentstate directives about climate
which attack the scientificmethod but you do see a a
growing movement ofhomeschoolers of private schools
alternative institutions wherereal science is being taught um
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I I think it's up to parents tocontinue to get organized, to
monitor what their kids arebeing taught.
And I think the great hope toget actual science in the
classroom is is through theschool choice movement.
There's legions of problems witha lot of our public schools not
just on the climate question butacross the board but I think
that the whole COVID episodegave a shot in the arm to the
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school choice movement.
I think that intersects with theteaching of sound science.
So again there are some hopefultrend lines where it goes from
here we'll see but uh at leastthere's some been some
incremental movement back in agood direction.
SPEAKER_05 (30:44):
Well to put it my change comes through
understanding and with Kevin'sbook Climate Poor and How and
Why Antipopulation ZelletsFabricate Science while
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Find out more about Kevin's workat Kevamooney.info he is also a
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contributor to Restoration News,Restoration News dot com.
Kevamooney thank you for theclarity of science that helps
people understand its importanceand value to be true science and
thank you for being here today.
Oh likewise any time thank youso much we see the members of
our military as strong,courageous brave people we too
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often forget that they're alsohuman.
When they face challenges theycould break within in ways that
we don't see and even they finddifficult to admit when their
service is done and they comehome.
We need to recognize andacknowledge that an increasing
number of our veterans arecommitting suicide.
Depending on the study anywherebetween 24 to 40 veterans each
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day are ending their lives.
In fact suicide is now listed asone of the leading causes of
death among our veterans ournext guest through her efforts
seeks to prevent those tragicnumbers from growing by helping
our veterans overcome theemotional weight that's pressing
down on them that's known asPTSD post-traumatic stress
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disorder.
She herself is a successfulactress, author, advocate and
voice for the unborn and founderas well as leader of Hope and
healing at Hillinglade and I'mproud to call her a very special
friend Jennifer O'Neill how areyou my dear?
SPEAKER_01 (32:26):
I'm my dear is doing fine my dear and uh so good to
talk to you Chris we got to chatfor a second before but I just
want to lift you up in the workthat you do on a daily basis and
you said I just tell the truthand the truth is a foreign
object flying around these days.
So I just want to sincerelythank you from the bottom of my
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heart and yes we are goodfriends because we have the same
values and uh same motives.
SPEAKER_05 (32:53):
You want to find out more about where we are what we
are going to explore withJennifer Hill and Glade.org we
have that link at our homepageand if you scroll down as well
forever and ever there is agraphic icon link to the work of
uh Jennifer's Hope and healingat Hill and Glade organization.
This all revolves around it'scalled equine assisted therapy.
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Help us understand what that'sall about.
SPEAKER_01 (33:16):
Well very briefly my dad was a war hero literally
read about him in books uh inWorld War II and he was I have
to remember he was only 23 andshot down over Germany was in a
German prison camp that themovie The Great Escape was made
out of.
All that said I grew up with uhthe notion and the truth of
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honoring our incredible veteransand people who are willing to
lay their lives down and I Ithink that that that escapes
most people the brevity of whatwhat these heroes do.
And heroes aren't from the longpast they're every day every
every individual that is in ourservice uh units for the America
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um is is is taking care of ourfreedoms and our safeties and we
have to especially in theprivate sector stand up give
back give notice and anythingthat we need to do so that
they're coming home and and yournumbers are more correct on the
40 40 a day suicides from ourservice members um because a lot
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of people don't report them itis tragic as we've lost more uh
to suicides our heroes than thanin war itself and uh it's about
uh coming back and and and andbeing able to function through
uh what they've seen, what theyhad to do uh what they they have
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done to protect us.
And equine therapy is not newit's been around since the 1980s
in Israel especially uh horsesare very unique God was in a
good mood when he made them andthey can't they're they're
incredibly intuitive and whenyou build a relationship with a
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horse it's 1500 pounds and we doat liberty work which means no
halters, no anything um you'redeveloping the individual is
developing communication they'rereleasing their triggers they're
relaxing they're uh looking intoa mirror when they look at the
horse so if they come in in thestorm which they don't they're
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not even aware of and I do haveto mention I don't mean to be
like a gatling gun here but ourour heroes' families are right
there next to them.
We have served over 4,000 since2010 of our heroes and their
families because the trickledown effect of post-traumatic
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stress uh goes through the wholefamily and it's not just a war
issue it's a life issue.
We found that out at COVID it'sa shock and awe issue of life
and all our um uh rights andwrongs and and heroism and what
we believe in is falling downthe drain.
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So if you can imagine what thesepeople who are willing to put
their lives on the line for usand come home and are not
appreciated, not taken care ofand not assimilated back into um
the community, uh it's tragic.
And we're gonna do and we'regonna keep doing everything we
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can to be of service.
SPEAKER_05 (36:41):
Yeah it's really filling the blanks of something
I think too many people fail tounderstand because they think
well there's someone who didthese heroics over in some
foreign land or or even somedomestic land in some cases.
Or you can think of you knowthings that happen where
military are called intoconfront our our own and they
think well okay that's theirduty that's what they think
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needing to be done and they comeback to a quote unquote normal
everyday life but there's adisconnect.
They've they've gone so deepinto that that getting back into
this is is there's a canyon infront of them.
SPEAKER_01 (37:16):
And and when we work with we work with Fort Campbell
we work with um varioushospitals etc the VA and and um
we can do in an hour with ahorse what might take they've
said this six months over a deskconversation.
It's not a conversation it's arelationship and the only the
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only person that I know is myLord and Savior who was willing
to put his life down on the lineand did for for me and for my
freedoms and for my my umsalvation and right there Jesus
said Remember me and that's whyI love Memorial Day.
Do this in remembrance of meJesus said about communion and I
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say have a wonderful hamburgerbut don't forget our heroes.
SPEAKER_05 (38:05):
Absolutely we're talking with Jennifer O'Neill
founder and leader of hope andhealing at Hill and Glade
legendary actress author voicefor the unborn Hill and
glade.org learn more about whatwe are talking about here and
you are listening to Wiki's anidea 40% from making
rollcall.org I did a survey 53%of the government hasn't
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effectively addressed respectedveterans with suicide prevention
programs.
60% of people responded bysaying they believe veterans
deal with ESD a lot more thancivilian people do.
SPEAKER_01 (38:37):
And 40% say suicide is a lot more common enough
among veterans that point thatout of the and divorce and
divorce by the way it's thewhole family unit can be
destructive.
SPEAKER_05 (38:51):
Substance abuse and that's what that's what leads to
the rise in veteran homelessnessthat we see it just has uh
tentacles that your work isgetting ahead of and I think
that's the important part.
SPEAKER_01 (39:04):
Absolutely we have to be a a safe and private
place.
We're we're 15 minutes fromdowntown Nashville so that's the
area we uh are in and I camefrom the show world horses
breeding all of that and I justimplore any of your listeners
that if you have horses and youwant to help we have program
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that we can put you through thatyou can do it in your local area
and you can invite theseveterans that are local to you
to come there is a way to do it.
Don't just sit on your hands.
If you have a horse and they areappropriate for this kind of
work um then then you can make adifference.
So don't feel helpless feelinspired and plugged into the
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wall socket about the fact thatyou can make a difference
because they've made adifference in your lives you're
just sitting in in this countryand as eroded as it is right now
we have to come together on alllevel playing fields and pray
and make a difference and getoff our hands.
SPEAKER_05 (40:10):
Something another element too of Jennifer's work
you know you don't just onlyrescue our two legged heroes,
you rescue the four-leggedheroes among us too the horses
and other animals that you bringinto and incorporate into your
program and your work.
SPEAKER_01 (40:25):
Absolutely you can give a horse a home and ho uh
and then you can have a farm andthat can be a place where a safe
place for these guys to cometogether and ladies we have many
women in service now that comeand uh they have their own
language and they need to feelthat they aren't defeated.
Uh if they want to be deployedagain they don't go and and talk
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about the uh problems thatthey're wrestling with because
they want to be deployed again.
They've got to deal with thoseissues or it ends up in tragedy.
And equine therapy works.
Prayer works but equine therapyworks.
Everyone is invited here nomatter how they feel about
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anything other than we're hereto help embrace lift them up and
I have a friend of mine that hasan organization that I love this
saying they don't want to handout they want to hand up and we
give a hoof up.
And we also deal I just want totell you Chris with our other
heroes that are just essentialand that's our first responders.
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Oh yes so we've been dealingwith with their them and their
families and um they'rerecognizing their triggers
they're being more functionalthe families are thriving it
works.
There's a variety of ways thatyou can support Jennifer's work
too if you go to hilling lay.orgyou can make a donation of any
amount via PayPal you see thatbutton on the top of each page
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as you study the information andhear, watch, read the
testimonials, you become asponsor you become a supporter
in a variety of ways at avariety of levels you can make
this work so we are a 501c3 sojust uh if that makes a
difference we're a tax write-offbut what'll make a difference is
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that if you can't personally dothis work, you can help us do
this work and others like ourorganization and and again I
want to repeat that we just haveour own curriculum now where we
can train others across thecountry and expand the territory
so the help can be we can't beeverywhere but we can help
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everyone everywhere to helpthose who sacrifice so much for
us.
I get very emotional about thisbecause it it's it can't be
ignored anymore.
We're all having problems in alot of different areas but we
wouldn't even be having thoseproblems if we didn't have these
heroes laying their lives downfor us.
SPEAKER_05 (42:59):
Amen to that you might be one of these people too
who How you perceive someone andwho they are internally can be
two vastly different pictures.
You see someone in the uniformout of the uniform with courage
and self-confidence it mightstill be not to be worked out
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with open feeling.org that'sanyway at the website.org we
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have a couple page for the thirdbest and we can
SPEAKER_01 (44:00):
Please also go to Hill and Glade Farm.
Because we're trying to create afor-profit side so we can keep
going and serve more people.
So we have weddings and venuesand stays 15 minutes outside of
uh Nashville.
So please know that as well.
SPEAKER_05 (44:16):
And when you see the layout of the photos at Hill and
Glade Farm, it's it's going tobe a part of your wedding plan,
your graduation party plan, yourbirthday plan, all type of
plans, all type of parties,because not only will you have a
fantastic time, you'll be againsupporting the work of Hope and
Healing at Hill and Glade.
Jennifer, you are a blessing,and I'm proud to call you a
friend.
SPEAKER_01 (44:36):
So good to talk to you again, Chris.
God bless you.
SPEAKER_05 (44:39):
Yesterday was the conclusion of the week-long
event, America Reads the Bible.
I remember we had the creator ofthat event here on the show last
time.
And hope you were motivated andspent some time watching the
event as it streamed live, andmore importantly, hope you read
along with what was going on.
By the way, if you missed it,the entire event is archived
over at pureflicks.com.
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That's F L I X, pureflicks.com.
According to the American BibleSociety, only eleven percent of
Americans read the Bible daily.
Well, thirty-four percent readit, it's at least once a week.
Lifeway research found that 17%of Americans have read the
entire Bible, at least once.
So that creates uh, I think arather important question.
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If you want to live according toGod's word and know his will,
how is that possible if youdon't read the instructions?
It's kind of like putting a gasgrill together without reading
the instructions you wind upwith the pieces you forgot to do
something with.
When you go delight it, eithernothing happens or it blows up
in your face.
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It is absolutely positivelyimpossible to be a faithful
child of God without knowing theword of God.
Yeah, his word is that valuableand that vital.
That's why we read this inIsaiah chapter forty, verse
eight.
The grass withers, the flowerfades, but the word of our God
stands forever.
Psalm chapter nineteen versesseven through eleven brings even
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greater understanding of theword of God.
The law of the Lord is perfect,converting the soul, the
testimony of the Lord is sure,and making wise the simple.
The statutes of the Lord areright, rejoicing the heart, the
commandment of the Lord is pure,enlightening the eyes, the fear
of the Lord is clean, enduringforever.
The judgments of the Lord aretrue and righteous altogether.
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More to be desired are they thangold, yea, than much fine gold,
sweeter also than honey, and thehoneycomb.
Moreover, by them your servantis warned, and in keeping them
there is great reward.
When the Word of God is absent,how will you battle the
temptations of Satan that youwill be facing?
And you will be facingtemptations.
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Being tempted isn't a sin, bythe way.
Giving in to temptation, that'sthe sin.
Let's go to the way this truthis, I think, best proven.
We find that in the fourthchapter of Luke, whereas Satan
tries to tempt Jesus, Satan saysthis to Jesus in verse three,
and the devil said to him, Ifyou are the Son of God, command
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this stone to become bread.
Jesus replies with this in versefour, but Jesus answered him,
saying, It is written, Man shallnot live by bread alone, but by
every word of God.
Verses six and seven have Satansaying this to Jesus, and the
devil said to him, All thisauthority I will give you and
their glory, for this has beendelivered to me, and I will give
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it to whomever I wish.
Therefore, if you will worshipbefore me, all will be yours.
He meant every kingdom in theworld.
Jesus responds with this inverse eight, and Jesus answered
and said to him, Get behind me,Satan, for it is written, You
shall worship the Lord your God,and him only you shall serve.
Verses nine through eleven,Satan actually tries to corrupt
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God's word in order to temptJesus.
Chuck this out.
Then he brought him toJerusalem, sat on the pinnacle
of the temple, and said to him,If you are the Son of God, throw
yourself down from here, for itis written, He shall give his
angels charge over you to keepyou, and in their hands they
shall bear you up lest you dashyour foot against a stone.
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In that instance, Satan'sactually quoting from Psalm 91.
But Jesus turns to the truth ofGod's word in verse twelve
declaring, and Jesus answeredand said to him, It has been
said, You shall not tempt theLord your God.
Jesus in all three of thoseinstances was quoting, by the
way, from the book ofDeuteronomy, specifically
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chapter eight, verse three,chapter six, verse sixteen, and
chapter six, verse thirteen.
That brings up another veryimportant truth.
No part of God's word featuresan expiration date.
The Old Testament, for numerousreasons, is needed for a full
understanding of the NewTestament.
This is why Paul writes this inRomans chapter fifteen, verse
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four, for whatever things werewritten before were written for
our learning, that we, throughthe patience and comfort of the
scriptures, might have hope.
When we read the latest book bya favorite author and get to
that last page, what do we do?
We either write put the book onthe shelf or if it's an ebook in
a folder for saving and wait fortheir next book.
God's word has, for now andforever, only one book that you
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need to read.
Of course, the Bible.
The actor Hugh O'Brien told meone time the story about how we
went to Africa to spend timewith the great humanitarian
Albert Schweitzer, spent a fewweeks watching up close the work
Schweitzer was doing, helpedout, spent time talking with
this great man.
When it was time for Hugh toleave, come back to the States,
as Schweitzer walked into theplane, he said to Hugh, So Hugh,
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what are you going to do withall this?
Meaning, how are you going totake what you've experienced and
turn it into good works?
When he came back to America,Hugh launched the Hugh O'Brien
Youth Foundation, which helpsteens develop a path for their
lives.
That organization continues hiswork today as part of Hugh's
legacy.
So my question to you after youread the Bible is, what are you
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going to do with all this?
James chapter one verse twentytwo addresses the doing
requirement.
Reading here, but be doers ofthe word and not hearers only
deceiving yourselves.
As you would expect, I hope, theBible provides you with the
answers.
Second Timothy chapter three,verse sixteen gives us this All
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Scripture is given byinspiration of God and is
profitable for doctrine, forreproof, for correction, for
instruction in righteousness.
We get this guidance from Joshuachapter one verse eight.
This book of the law shall notdepart from your mouth, but you
shall meditate in it day andnight, that you may observe to
do according to all that iswritten in it, for then you will
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make your way prosperous, andthen you will have good success.
Colossians chapter three versesixteen gives us these
instructions Let the Word ofChrist dwell in you richly in
all wisdom, teaching andadmonishing one another, in
psalms and hymns and spiritualsongs, singing with grace in
your hearts to the Lord.
Now you might think you can fakeit, try to fool people, take
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shortcuts, do more deeds in thedarkness and in the light.
If that's you, let me be the oneto tell you that God has already
spotted and tagged you.
Your truth is exposed in firstJohn chapter two, verses three
and four.
Now by this we know that we knowhim if we keep his commandments.
He who says I know him and doesnot keep his commandments is a
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liar, and the truth is not inhim.
Thanks as always for comingalong for the ride today.
Appreciate your attention andyour time.
Look forward to being with youright here this time next week
for our next edition of Issuesand Ideas.
Hello, welcome to Issues and Ideas.
I'm Chris Tobello.
A report has found the COVIDnineteen vaccines cut in half
the chances that an adult herein the U.S.
would have to go to the ER or behospitalized with the infection
last fall and winter.
Small problem, you're not goingto uh find this report to be
able to read this report.
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At least not from the agencythat led the research, the U.S.
Centers for Disease Control andPrevention, the head of the CDC,
Dr.
J.
Bodicharya, who is also, by theway, the director of the U.S.
National Institutes of HealthNIH, blocked the publication of
those findings in the CDC'sjournal, the Morbidity and
(00:42):
Mortality Weekly Report.
Now we have the authors of thestudy who got the official
rejection letter from thejournal this past Tuesday, even
though the study had clearedwhat are called internal reviews
and had been scheduled forpublication.
Yes, this is unusual because thestudy followed the normal
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methods that the agency uses toestimate the effectiveness of
vaccines against seasonalrespiratory viruses like COVID
and flu.
List goes on from there.
According to sources fromwithin, Bontacharya took issue
with the study's test negativedesign.
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HHS didn't answer any questionsabout what exactly the concerns
are, but that's been at leastthe expressed reason for killing
the report.
What's additionally odd aboutthis is the process used to
arrive at the conclusions is thestandard way of measuring
vaccine effectiveness for COVID,RSV, other seasonal respiratory
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viruses.
Now it's no secret.
The COVID nineteen vaccines havebeen a a particular target of
RFK Jr., the the head of HHS.
Back in June, he announced theCOVID 19 vaccines would no
longer be recommended forpregnant women and kids.
Last September, the agency's newvaccine advisors removed the
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CDC's blanket recommendation forCOVID-19 vaccines for everyone
six months and older, andinstead recommending that the
vaccine be given after sharedclinical decision making,
meaning with a recommendation orprescription from a doctor or
pharmacist.
March meeting of the vaccineadvisors was due to report on
injuries related to COVID-19vaccines, but that was postponed
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because of a legal ruling.
And just this past Tuesday in acongressional hearing, R.
F.
K.
Jr.
actually denied his vaccineviews, played a role in
declining vaccination rates, anddisputed that he has been
anti-vaccine.
Oh, really?
Then who was it who has beenleading the charge against
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vaccines claiming that they arelinked to autism?
RFK Jr.
Who's been the loudest voiceclaiming that the COVID vaccine
is, quote, the deadliest vaccineever made.
That would be RFK Jr.
The same RFK Jr.
who in the past has argued thatchildren's gender identity can
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be impacted by water and that 5Ghigh-speed wireless networks are
being used to control ourbehavior.
This past week got a little bitmore heavy for RFK Jr.
as he attempted in front of aSenate committee hearing in
exchange with Senator ElizabethWarren, he tried to explain
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Trump math.
Check this out.
SPEAKER_00 (04:00):
He claims that Trump Rx has reduced prices by as much
as 600%.
600%, which I think meanscompanies should be paying you
to take those drugs.
But let's do some real mathhere.
Take one drug protonic.
A 30-day supply of thisheartburn medication cost$200 on
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Trump RX.
But there is an identicalgeneric version of this pill
called hand pill resolve.
SPEAKER_02 (04:40):
Oh but I would say that's a drug.
There's two ways of calculatingpercent of the drug and you
would do that.
SPEAKER_00 (04:57):
Do you know what the drug costs at Costco?
SPEAKER_02 (05:02):
I do not.
SPEAKER_00 (05:04):
The drug is$16 at Costco.
Crop RX charges$200 forprotonics, and Costco charges
$16.
Is the treatment for heartarrhythmia costs$336 on Trump
RX?
(05:24):
Or you can get the generic atcost plus drug for$12.
So you tell me, Mr.
Secretary, are patients betteroff paying$336 on top RX or$12
at Crop plus drugs?
SPEAKER_02 (05:42):
You're comparing apples to oranges because you're
uh comparing the brand drug tothe generic drug.
SPEAKER_00 (05:49):
Yeah, to the exact same drug.
SPEAKER_05 (05:53):
Throughout our history, vaccines were always
seen as a reliable, essentialpretty much for our health and
well-being.
Then along came the COVID-19pandemic.
As a result of misinformationconspiracies, they were able to
reach many more people duringthose times of solitude.
What had been a small anti-vaxmovement grew and it grew
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significantly.
Now, as we all know, we havesomeone who has long been an
opponent of vaccines, heading upthe federal government agency,
which is responsible for issuinghealth care guidance.
The reality has resulted inchanges by HHS and the CDC
regarding children and vaccineschedules.
With us now to explain whatthese changes are, what their
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impact just might be is HealthResearch Group Director at
Public Citizen, Dr.
Robert Steinberg.
How are you today, Doctor?
SPEAKER_03 (06:45):
Doing okay.
Uh thank you for having me.
SPEAKER_05 (06:48):
And find out more about Public Citizen, the points
of focus they have, theinformation education they
provide.
It is citizen.org, and we dohave that link at our homepage.
Let us start with the basics,Doctor, then we'll get into the
uh concerns or the potentialimpacts of these decisions.
What had been the vaccineschedule initially before these
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changes?
SPEAKER_03 (07:12):
Well, the the childhood and vaccine
immunization schedule is complexuh because uh before the changes
involved uh vaccinating childrenand adolescents against sex 17
different diseases, and uh eachdisease and the vaccines are are
different uh in terms of thetiming of the vaccines, the
specifical medical reasons to umvary things between individuals
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and so forth.
The overall picture is uhrecommending from the federal
government, the CDC, that allchildren now be vaccinated
against only 11 diseases.
By comparison, the previousrecommendation was 17 diseases.
So six have been removed fromthe CDC recommendations.
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Uh another aspect of this isthat the CD has the CDC has said
that all immunizationsrecommended as of December 31st
of last year, 2025, will becontinue to be covered by the
Affordable Care Act InsurancePlans and Federal Health
Insurance Programs.
So, from a practical standpoint,all of the vaccines against all
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17 diseases will continue to beavailable and will continue to
be um uh reimbursable byinsurance uh with no changes.
Uh the difference is movingthings from being recommended to
in some categories uh the changeis to shared decision making
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with the clinician, and in somecategories it's to um high risk
groups.
Um some of the noteworthy uhvaccines uh which are affected
are those against hepatitis A,hepatitis B, and rotavirus.
Uh it's worth recommend uhremembering that with hepatitis
B, we are starting from a pointwhere this was recommended a
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birth dose for all newborns, andnow it's being moved to a
category of shared decisionmaking, which is a quite
significant change.
SPEAKER_05 (09:12):
Aaron Powell And what you described too, that's
the reason why there's nowbasically three tiers for the
specific vaccines for thedegrees and the availability
like you referenced.
SPEAKER_03 (09:22):
Yes, there are three tiers, and uh when one gets down
into the details about each uhuh immunization, it gets more
complicated.
But the big picture is a stepbackwards uh for public health.
Uh with the possibility goingforward uh that many uh
preventable hospitalizationswill happen and many people will
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die prematurely now.
Do we know exactly how this isgoing to play out?
No.
Um there are a couple ofpotential positive factors to
countervail this.
Uh states issue guidance, publichealth guidance for their states
about recommendations how to dothis in the state, and many
states are pushing back and notaccepting this and saying that
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children should be vaccinatedexactly as they were under the
uh previous schedule.
Uh and also health insurers uhoutside of the federal
government programs havecommitted already to covering
the recommended uh vaccines asof September of uh last year.
Finally, professional societiessuch as the American Academy of
Pediatrics have also been quiteclear uh in uh their view that
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uh these changes are not the wayto go and that the uh prior um
uh childhood immunizationschedule was just fine.
SPEAKER_05 (10:40):
Dr.
Robert Steinberg, who is healthresearch group director of
Public Citizens, citizen.org,their website, and you are
listening to issues and ideas.
What was the basis that the CDCused for for these decisions?
What were I mean, when when yousay science, you always think of
study and exploration to come toa finite conclusion.
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Was that the case here?
SPEAKER_03 (11:05):
No.
Uh uh this was a top-downpolitically driven directive to
unilaterally change thechildhood vaccination schedule.
Uh couple aspects of how this uhuh went down are uh noteworthy
to discuss.
One is that uh the Health Um andHuman Services Secretary, Robert
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F.
Kennedy Jr., uh had uh firedeverybody on the advisory
committee on immunizationpractices, which usually uh uh
reviews um all the immunizationrecommendations from the CDC and
any changes uh to the uhchildhood vaccine schedule.
Um so this was a hand-picked uhcommittee, which had also
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started to make uh somerecommended changes, such as
with the hepatitis B vaccine attheir December meeting.
That committee was entirelybypassed.
Uh this came directly from theacting uh director of the CDC,
uh Jim O'Neill, who is not aphysician, um uh with input from
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some of the other politicalemployees, uh such as those at
the FDA, uh, the NIH and CMS,and of course people in the
central HHS uh office.
Um so uh this was not umsomething which involved any
attempt to have discussion, anyinvolvement of the career
(12:33):
experts at the CDC onimmunizations, any detailed
public review of data anddiscussion.
Uh it was something that uhSecretary Kennedy Secretary
Kennedy apparently wanted to getdone and wanted to get done
yesterday.
SPEAKER_05 (12:47):
I looked at the s the reports that and the the
guidance that they issued, andthe the the the assessment
reviewed, reading from one ofthe reports here, twenty peer
developed nations finding thatthe U.S.
is a global outlier amongdeveloped nations about the
number of diseases addressed inroutine childhood vaccination
schedules and told them ofrecommended doses.
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It almost sounds to me like allthey care about the numbers of
the va the vaccine count.
I didn't see any informationabout the the level of health.
SPEAKER_03 (13:19):
The concept at some level is that children are
getting too many shots, and theyshould get fewer shots, and they
should get shots against fewerdiseases.
Uh now the motivation to avoidum shots for children or from
anybody else, that's that'sokay.
But there's a reason why peopleare getting the immunizations.
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You have to look at the science,you have to weigh the benefits
and the risks.
And when you simply say, let'shave less shots and let's do
that and forget about thereasons why the vaccines are
given in the first place, uh,that's the wrong way to do it.
Um the um immunization scheduleis a dynamic document.
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There science, there's alwaysnew information about um
vaccines and their safety andtheir effectiveness.
The effectiveness can changeover time as uh the particular
strains of various infectiousdiseases change.
So what one wants is a processwhich allows for prudent changes
as the effectiveness of vaccinesand or the safety change over
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time, uh, but it's thoughtfulpublic deliberation.
It's not a unilateraldeclaration that we just have to
have fewer shots.
SPEAKER_05 (14:35):
Or basically saying, well, they do that few there,
we're gonna do that few overhere now.
SPEAKER_03 (14:40):
Right.
And then the other point,speaking generally, is that
that's not the way to approachpublic health in the United
States, nor is it the approachto public health in another
nation.
One has to take into account thepopulation, uh the diseases
which are circulating, thehealth care system, um, and uh
what is best for one country mayuh appropriately not be the best
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for another country.
But to say uh the United Statesis in a different place than
other countries, therefore wemust change, it's it's just not
the way to approach this.
SPEAKER_05 (15:12):
And from what I was able to get a hold of and look
and study for the background forthis segment, they're comparing
vaccine numbers versus versusvaccine numbers, and not
comparing health of children inthose twenty other countries
versus the health of thechildren here in America.
But with the uh another commonthread I saw in the
rationalization for all this wasthat this is to re-establish
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trust of the American people forthe medical profession.
And I'm reading this thinkingthere's only really basically
two sizable groups who don'ttrust the medical profession.
One group are people who justfail prey to bad doctors, the
other are anti-vax people.
SPEAKER_03 (15:54):
It seems to be a a bit of um political
sloganeering.
Um in many people's view, what'sbeing done undermines trust.
It leads to confusion.
Um and um this can be arguedboth ways.
Uh our view is that these sortsof changes, particularly
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unilateral with no attempt to uhbuild professional consensus, uh
are likely to undermine trust,decrease the immunization rates,
and over time increase the uh umnumber of preventable diseases,
uh preventable uh uh illnessfrom many different uh diseases.
SPEAKER_05 (16:32):
We're seeing that with measles.
SPEAKER_03 (16:33):
There's really no data either way.
There's a lot of people makinguh political statements, and uh
that's just not the way to dopublic health.
SPEAKER_05 (16:40):
Aaron Ross Powell, but what you just said isn't a
theory.
You can look at the the outbreakand the surge of measle cases as
as proof of the fact that alower vaccine rate in those in
that instance is causing aspread of a disease that all all
intents and purposes, by medicaldefinition, we had eradicated.
SPEAKER_03 (16:56):
Well, there's no question that lower vaccination
and the frequency of vaccinepreventable diseases.
Uh unfortunately, the only wayto know is to see what happens
in the future.
And we've seen instances withwith measles right now.
Uh we may well see instanceswith other diseases uh several
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years out.
On the other hand, if theAmerican Academy of Pediatrics,
the American MedicalAssociation, the states which
have pushed back are successful,then vaccination rates in many
parts of the country will remainstrong, and the negative effects
of uh these changes to thefederal recommendations will be
less.
SPEAKER_05 (17:36):
So for a parent right now, the best thing they
can do, the best step they canmake for the children, don't
read a CDC report, talk withyour doctor.
SPEAKER_03 (17:42):
Yes, and uh doctors uh informed by the state uh
health departmentrecommendations in many states,
but there's variation, and alsoby their professional societies,
such as the American AcademyPediatrics, uh the American
College of Physicians forAdults, and the American Medical
Association more generally.
SPEAKER_05 (18:05):
Thank you for the realistic view of the situation,
and a lot of confusion happenswhen messages messages get
crossed, but science isestablished in the known and the
fact, and you help remind us ofthat.
Thanks for being here today.
SPEAKER_03 (18:19):
Okay, thanks for having me.
SPEAKER_05 (18:21):
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The division comes about whenhow to achieve and maintain all
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that is discussed and debated.
As my next guest points out withhis new book, rather than being
driven by true science,so-called environmental policies
and programs are have have beenincreasingly driven by things
like agendas, and of course,money.
He examines the pseudosciencewhich drives it, how it's being
responded to in climate porn,how and why antipopulation
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zealots fabricate science whiletargeting American capitalism,
freedom, and independence.
He is an investigativejournalist with Restoration
News.
His work is also featured at theDaily Signal and the
Commonwealth Foundation.
Kevin J.
Mooney, thanks for being heretoday, Kevin.
SPEAKER_04 (19:21):
Oh, thanks so much for having me.
SPEAKER_05 (19:23):
Glad to be here for sure.com and for Kevin's site,
Kevin Mooney.info.
We do, of course, have thoselinks at our homepage as well.
Set the foundation based on yourtitle, Kevin.
Why climate porn?
What what's the origin of thatphrase and why is it an
effective description as youfeature and explain in your
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book?
SPEAKER_04 (19:46):
Yeah, that's a great question.
Uh part of it comes into theinvestigations I did to uh into
education curriculum and how itwas being taught going back to
the COVID-19 shutdowns whenparents first became aware of
how radicalized and howpornographic some of the
material was that their childrenwere seeing.
In tandem with that, I noticedthat climate propaganda was also
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making its way into theclassroom, sort of attacking the
scientific method, telling youngpeople that you know you coerce
the outcome uh for to suit yourpolitical agenda and then just
uh manipulate the process anyold which way.
Well, of course, the scientificmethod is just the reverse.
You have a hypothesis, you uhsubject it to rigorous testing,
and then you let the ships fallwhere they may.
Uh so uh I decided uh correctly,I think, that the uh that
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approach to climate science wasevery bit as pornographic as the
conventional version and everybit as destructive too.
So it was a way to sort of weavein together several themes.
SPEAKER_05 (20:40):
Now, as you reveal in your book, too, you can go
literally around the world tofind examples of the activists
failing to prove what they callto be science, but you really
don't have to go far, at leastfor you, or not your uh your
concerns and my concerns, we'reboth based here in New Jersey,
and we just have to look atrecent actions over the past,
well, let's say a couple ofyears regarding the Jersey Shore
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and the attempts for wind energyto be literally planted off the
coast of New Jersey, which I Iguess approv it brings back the
question (21:11):
how can something which has failed so much in the
past be looked at as a successtoday like these projects were?
SPEAKER_04 (21:19):
Well, follow the money.
Um you know, a lot of the groupsand organizations that support w
offshore wind are benefitingbenefiting from it financially,
uh, but I there's a little bitof good news here in terms of
how they've been exposed.
There was a uh prettyhard-fought battle uh by a group
called Save LBI as in Long BeachI on a group of citizen
activists opposed to offshorewind.
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How would it impact theirproperty values?
How would it impact the touristindustry?
How would it impact their beachcommunities?
What they found is they weresquaring off against these well
healed, well funded climateactivists who would acknowledge
that there's some short termenvironmental damage with
offshore wind, but everythingfor them is in the name of
climate.
Their argument is that we needto sort of take a uh uh a step
(22:00):
back in terms of our environmentfor long-term gain, uh sort of
these theoretical, hypotheticaluh uh climate damages that will
uh they forecast decades on out.
Well, of course, this is allphony.
If you go into the environmentalimpact statements for these
offshore projects, theyacknowledge that it's not going
to have any impact on climate.
It's all about a politicalagenda.
But I think what's happened isthat you've seen a re-emergence
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of genuine conservation andpreservation that I think goes
back to the uh before thecommand and control approach of
the 1970s.
Um and that's beginning tore-emerge and starting to take
on these well-heeled climateactivists that do not advocate
initiatives that are good forthe environment, quite the
opposite.
SPEAKER_05 (22:40):
I mean you think of it too like just a couple of
weeks ago I know Clean ActionNew Jersey just did ocean sweeps
to pick up garbage as they doevery year, several times a year
I think actually it's just anexample of how if you have
people power versus the will andthe whims of conglomerates which
is going to be the winning sidefor the environment I kind of
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think it's the power of thepeople.
SPEAKER_04 (23:02):
Yeah it is and what I'm seeing is a broad cross
section of citizens acrosspolitical lines, party lines who
were genuinely concerned abouttheir local ecology.
And like I say in the book, thisoffshore wind I think took the
blinders off a bit because Ithink they really saw for the
first time that there's an awfullot of money in organization,
also foreign money by the waytied up in these offshore wind
schemes and it does take aconcerted organized effort to
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face them down.
I would say the good news too isyou're on the one hand you're
never going to outspend andoutfundraise these well-heeled
groups.
They get donations and grantsfrom big foundations and from
outside of state you need toraise enough money to get your
message out and that is whathappened at the Jersey Shore.
They were able to detail anddemonstrate uh how how damaging
these offshore projects were andwere able to push back against
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the political class and put astop to this.
SPEAKER_05 (23:48):
And of course having Trump come in was helpful too
because there's been somechanges at the federal level
Kevin Mooney about his bookClimate porn how and why
antipopulation zealots fabricatescience while targeting American
capitalism, freedom andindependence.
His work is featured atRestoration News, Restoration
News dot com and his personalwebsite for all that is Kevin
(24:09):
Mooney Kevin Mooney dot info andyou are listening to issues and
ideas.
You include antipopulation aspart of the the secondary title
in your in your book Kevin thesearen't eugenists are they?
SPEAKER_04 (24:23):
They're not looking to thin out the population and
work on thinning out the peopleto presumably protect the
environment well there's a longhistory with this ideology it's
called Malthusian named after aBritish economist Thomas
Malthusius who had this ideathat we were running out of
supplies and that the populationwas becoming detriment to the
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planet and that we needed tocurr curb and curtail the growth
of human populations.
That metastasized over time intowhat I'll call an
anti-population movement.
And I go in the book about thecommon denominator and funding
between the abortion industryand modern environmental
activists.
They essentially have the samegoals to constrain human
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population, constrain humancreativity.
They operate with a view thathumanity is a blight to the
planet um and uh that thatmovement has folded itself into
the the modern climate movementjust follow the money and it all
starts to make sense.
SPEAKER_05 (25:19):
And you also as you feature in in your book Climble
porn too is follow howconclusions are arrived at maybe
the most glaring I think for themaybe non-scientific mind is how
so-called scientists usecomputer models versus old
school scientific observationwith the understanding being
that you can tell a computer geta computer much like with any
(25:42):
statistics to get to the pointyou want to get to where
observation what you'reobserving has control not you.
SPEAKER_04 (25:49):
Well exactly I mean a certain level of modeling is
fine it's all based onsupposition um but the problem
with it is it can also be usedto manipulate public policy.
You can pump in any oldassumptions that you want to get
a desired result and outcome.
And the track record of theclimate modeling of course is
way off they've greatlyoverestimated the amount of
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warming that has taken place forone thing.
And they they've been used tolend themselves to very
expensive regulatory policiesthat are not rooted in sound
science.
I will say the other bit of goodnews there, I I do think the
re-emergence of a vigorousAmerican space program I think
you know shows us the directionwe're going in.
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If the Apollo program and thecurrent moon program had relied
on modeling rather than rigoroustesting, we would have dead
astronauts on successfulmissions.
So I think what we're seeing isa real pushback against this
anti-science climate activismthat had made some and
considerable headway over thepast few decades.
So my great hope is that it'sreached its high water mark and
it's starting to recede.
SPEAKER_05 (26:51):
That's the thing too the more people are interested
in science all aspects ofscience and more aware of
science then the less likely anykind of climate panic will go
unchallenged.
But that also brings up toanother point in your book too
because by and large climatepolicies are dictated rather
than placed before legislativebodies or certainly the the
people I mean it's it's rare itdoes happen but if w if and when
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that ever rarely happens most ofthose policies fail when left uh
population votes is that one ofthe aspects that has to be
changed to why are why are whyare these bodies recognized to
be able to dictate rather than ademocratic system of allowing
people to have the save througha through a vote.
SPEAKER_04 (27:35):
Well right remember what uh President Trump said in
2016 he said I representPittsburgh not Paris meaning no
taxation without representationthat whole Paris climate treaty
was uh forced onto us throughthe United Nations it
essentially involves energytaxes and energy costs.
And if you're gonna do that uhyou need a straight up and down
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vote uh in the U.S.
Congress and the U.S.
Senate you don't let unelectedunaccountable international
bureaucrats uh coerce those kindof policies onto us it's
anti-constitutional um and uh itmakes an end run around our
democratic institutions I thinkthere's been an awakening to
that too as you know Trump didget out of the Paris Climate
Agreement uh and also out of theUN framework agreement that made
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those treaties possible.
That's an enduring lastingchange because if a future
president wants to try to get usback into those UN agreements it
means a two-thirds vote in theSenate.
Only the Senate can approvetreaties with a two-thirds vote
and I think Trump's done us alla favor by getting us out of
these unaccountable veryexpensive so-called climate
agreements aimed at constrainingAmerican energy and also
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attacking our democratic system.
SPEAKER_05 (28:39):
And this whole idea isn't limited to just a a larger
stage you can look at thestate's California to be sure
and here in New Jersey we havewhat's affectionately called the
Highlands Act but for farmersand homeowners it has been
called torture for many decadessince it's implemented.
I I get the purpose of it ofprotecting what is a large
supplier of water for themajority of the state but it's
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such a fine toothed comb thatthere was a radio station here
in the northwest part of thestate they had a transmitter
facility which was a metaltrailer that was literally
rusting away and the equipmentwas going to drop out from the
floor.
And the state said no you can'tbuild a brick building up there.
Well then how is the stationgoing to communicate necessary
information to the populationsupposed to serve if you won't
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let a transmitter or so it thatjust was a demonstration just
how fine-toothed comb a a goodidea can become and turn it into
a negative just to wrap up herelooking ahead because you you're
right in climate porn too howorganizations and groups are
fighting back for a rational,honest science.
How important is it to get truescience to the kids in schools
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versus preaching, you know,teaching instead of preaching?
SPEAKER_04 (29:50):
You know I think this intersects with a growing
school choice movement.
You know unfortunately in thepublic school system we do we
still see that propaganda beingburrowed in there.
There's all these differentstate directives about climate
which attack the scientificmethod but you do see a a
growing movement ofhomeschoolers of private schools
alternative institutions wherereal science is being taught um
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I I think it's up to parents tocontinue to get organized, to
monitor what their kids arebeing taught.
And I think the great hope toget actual science in the
classroom is is through theschool choice movement.
There's legions of problems witha lot of our public schools not
just on the climate question butacross the board but I think
that the whole COVID episodegave a shot in the arm to the
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school choice movement.
I think that intersects with theteaching of sound science.
So again there are some hopefultrend lines where it goes from
here we'll see but uh at leastthere's some been some
incremental movement back in agood direction.
SPEAKER_05 (30:44):
Well to put it my change comes through
understanding and with Kevin'sbook Climate Poor and How and
Why Antipopulation ZelletsFabricate Science while
targeting American capitalism,freedom and independence, you
will gain a better understandingand the role you could play in
bringing the understanding,giving a greater volume to that
understanding.
Find out more about Kevin's workat Kevamooney.info he is also a
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contributor to Restoration News,Restoration News dot com.
Kevamooney thank you for theclarity of science that helps
people understand its importanceand value to be true science and
thank you for being here today.
Oh likewise any time thank youso much we see the members of
our military as strong,courageous brave people we too
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often forget that they're alsohuman.
When they face challenges theycould break within in ways that
we don't see and even they finddifficult to admit when their
service is done and they comehome.
We need to recognize andacknowledge that an increasing
number of our veterans arecommitting suicide.
Depending on the study anywherebetween 24 to 40 veterans each
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day are ending their lives.
In fact suicide is now listed asone of the leading causes of
death among our veterans ournext guest through her efforts
seeks to prevent those tragicnumbers from growing by helping
our veterans overcome theemotional weight that's pressing
down on them that's known asPTSD post-traumatic stress
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disorder.
She herself is a successfulactress, author, advocate and
voice for the unborn and founderas well as leader of Hope and
healing at Hillinglade and I'mproud to call her a very special
friend Jennifer O'Neill how areyou my dear?
SPEAKER_01 (32:26):
I'm my dear is doing fine my dear and uh so good to
talk to you Chris we got to chatfor a second before but I just
want to lift you up in the workthat you do on a daily basis and
you said I just tell the truthand the truth is a foreign
object flying around these days.
So I just want to sincerelythank you from the bottom of my
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heart and yes we are goodfriends because we have the same
values and uh same motives.
SPEAKER_05 (32:53):
You want to find out more about where we are what we
are going to explore withJennifer Hill and Glade.org we
have that link at our homepageand if you scroll down as well
forever and ever there is agraphic icon link to the work of
uh Jennifer's Hope and healingat Hill and Glade organization.
This all revolves around it'scalled equine assisted therapy.
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Help us understand what that'sall about.
SPEAKER_01 (33:16):
Well very briefly my dad was a war hero literally
read about him in books uh inWorld War II and he was I have
to remember he was only 23 andshot down over Germany was in a
German prison camp that themovie The Great Escape was made
out of.
All that said I grew up with uhthe notion and the truth of
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honoring our incredible veteransand people who are willing to
lay their lives down and I Ithink that that that escapes
most people the brevity of whatwhat these heroes do.
And heroes aren't from the longpast they're every day every
every individual that is in ourservice uh units for the America
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um is is is taking care of ourfreedoms and our safeties and we
have to especially in theprivate sector stand up give
back give notice and anythingthat we need to do so that
they're coming home and and yournumbers are more correct on the
40 40 a day suicides from ourservice members um because a lot
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of people don't report them itis tragic as we've lost more uh
to suicides our heroes than thanin war itself and uh it's about
uh coming back and and and andbeing able to function through
uh what they've seen, what theyhad to do uh what they they have
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done to protect us.
And equine therapy is not newit's been around since the 1980s
in Israel especially uh horsesare very unique God was in a
good mood when he made them andthey can't they're they're
incredibly intuitive and whenyou build a relationship with a
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horse it's 1500 pounds and we doat liberty work which means no
halters, no anything um you'redeveloping the individual is
developing communication they'rereleasing their triggers they're
relaxing they're uh looking intoa mirror when they look at the
horse so if they come in in thestorm which they don't they're
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not even aware of and I do haveto mention I don't mean to be
like a gatling gun here but ourour heroes' families are right
there next to them.
We have served over 4,000 since2010 of our heroes and their
families because the trickledown effect of post-traumatic
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stress uh goes through the wholefamily and it's not just a war
issue it's a life issue.
We found that out at COVID it'sa shock and awe issue of life
and all our um uh rights andwrongs and and heroism and what
we believe in is falling downthe drain.
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So if you can imagine what thesepeople who are willing to put
their lives on the line for usand come home and are not
appreciated, not taken care ofand not assimilated back into um
the community, uh it's tragic.
And we're gonna do and we'regonna keep doing everything we
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can to be of service.
SPEAKER_05 (36:41):
Yeah it's really filling the blanks of something
I think too many people fail tounderstand because they think
well there's someone who didthese heroics over in some
foreign land or or even somedomestic land in some cases.
Or you can think of you knowthings that happen where
military are called intoconfront our our own and they
think well okay that's theirduty that's what they think
(37:02):
needing to be done and they comeback to a quote unquote normal
everyday life but there's adisconnect.
They've they've gone so deepinto that that getting back into
this is is there's a canyon infront of them.
SPEAKER_01 (37:16):
And and when we work with we work with Fort Campbell
we work with um varioushospitals etc the VA and and um
we can do in an hour with ahorse what might take they've
said this six months over a deskconversation.
It's not a conversation it's arelationship and the only the
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only person that I know is myLord and Savior who was willing
to put his life down on the lineand did for for me and for my
freedoms and for my my umsalvation and right there Jesus
said Remember me and that's whyI love Memorial Day.
Do this in remembrance of meJesus said about communion and I
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say have a wonderful hamburgerbut don't forget our heroes.
SPEAKER_05 (38:05):
Absolutely we're talking with Jennifer O'Neill
founder and leader of hope andhealing at Hill and Glade
legendary actress author voicefor the unborn Hill and
glade.org learn more about whatwe are talking about here and
you are listening to Wiki's anidea 40% from making
rollcall.org I did a survey 53%of the government hasn't
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effectively addressed respectedveterans with suicide prevention
programs.
60% of people responded bysaying they believe veterans
deal with ESD a lot more thancivilian people do.
SPEAKER_01 (38:37):
And 40% say suicide is a lot more common enough
among veterans that point thatout of the and divorce and
divorce by the way it's thewhole family unit can be
destructive.
SPEAKER_05 (38:51):
Substance abuse and that's what that's what leads to
the rise in veteran homelessnessthat we see it just has uh
tentacles that your work isgetting ahead of and I think
that's the important part.
SPEAKER_01 (39:04):
Absolutely we have to be a a safe and private
place.
We're we're 15 minutes fromdowntown Nashville so that's the
area we uh are in and I camefrom the show world horses
breeding all of that and I justimplore any of your listeners
that if you have horses and youwant to help we have program
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that we can put you through thatyou can do it in your local area
and you can invite theseveterans that are local to you
to come there is a way to do it.
Don't just sit on your hands.
If you have a horse and they areappropriate for this kind of
work um then then you can make adifference.
So don't feel helpless feelinspired and plugged into the
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wall socket about the fact thatyou can make a difference
because they've made adifference in your lives you're
just sitting in in this countryand as eroded as it is right now
we have to come together on alllevel playing fields and pray
and make a difference and getoff our hands.
SPEAKER_05 (40:10):
Something another element too of Jennifer's work
you know you don't just onlyrescue our two legged heroes,
you rescue the four-leggedheroes among us too the horses
and other animals that you bringinto and incorporate into your
program and your work.
SPEAKER_01 (40:25):
Absolutely you can give a horse a home and ho uh
and then you can have a farm andthat can be a place where a safe
place for these guys to cometogether and ladies we have many
women in service now that comeand uh they have their own
language and they need to feelthat they aren't defeated.
Uh if they want to be deployedagain they don't go and and talk
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about the uh problems thatthey're wrestling with because
they want to be deployed again.
They've got to deal with thoseissues or it ends up in tragedy.
And equine therapy works.
Prayer works but equine therapyworks.
Everyone is invited here nomatter how they feel about
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anything other than we're hereto help embrace lift them up and
I have a friend of mine that hasan organization that I love this
saying they don't want to handout they want to hand up and we
give a hoof up.
And we also deal I just want totell you Chris with our other
heroes that are just essentialand that's our first responders.
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Oh yes so we've been dealingwith with their them and their
families and um they'rerecognizing their triggers
they're being more functionalthe families are thriving it
works.
There's a variety of ways thatyou can support Jennifer's work
too if you go to hilling lay.orgyou can make a donation of any
amount via PayPal you see thatbutton on the top of each page
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as you study the information andhear, watch, read the
testimonials, you become asponsor you become a supporter
in a variety of ways at avariety of levels you can make
this work so we are a 501c3 sojust uh if that makes a
difference we're a tax write-offbut what'll make a difference is
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that if you can't personally dothis work, you can help us do
this work and others like ourorganization and and again I
want to repeat that we just haveour own curriculum now where we
can train others across thecountry and expand the territory
so the help can be we can't beeverywhere but we can help
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everyone everywhere to helpthose who sacrifice so much for
us.
I get very emotional about thisbecause it it's it can't be
ignored anymore.
We're all having problems in alot of different areas but we
wouldn't even be having thoseproblems if we didn't have these
heroes laying their lives downfor us.
SPEAKER_05 (42:59):
Amen to that you might be one of these people too
who How you perceive someone andwho they are internally can be
two vastly different pictures.
You see someone in the uniformout of the uniform with courage
and self-confidence it mightstill be not to be worked out
(43:23):
with open feeling.org that'sanyway at the website.org we
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have a couple page for the thirdbest and we can
SPEAKER_01 (44:00):
Please also go to Hill and Glade Farm.
Because we're trying to create afor-profit side so we can keep
going and serve more people.
So we have weddings and venuesand stays 15 minutes outside of
uh Nashville.
So please know that as well.
SPEAKER_05 (44:16):
And when you see the layout of the photos at Hill and
Glade Farm, it's it's going tobe a part of your wedding plan,
your graduation party plan, yourbirthday plan, all type of
plans, all type of parties,because not only will you have a
fantastic time, you'll be againsupporting the work of Hope and
Healing at Hill and Glade.
Jennifer, you are a blessing,and I'm proud to call you a
friend.
SPEAKER_01 (44:36):
So good to talk to you again, Chris.
God bless you.
SPEAKER_05 (44:39):
Yesterday was the conclusion of the week-long
event, America Reads the Bible.
I remember we had the creator ofthat event here on the show last
time.
And hope you were motivated andspent some time watching the
event as it streamed live, andmore importantly, hope you read
along with what was going on.
By the way, if you missed it,the entire event is archived
over at pureflicks.com.
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That's F L I X, pureflicks.com.
According to the American BibleSociety, only eleven percent of
Americans read the Bible daily.
Well, thirty-four percent readit, it's at least once a week.
Lifeway research found that 17%of Americans have read the
entire Bible, at least once.
So that creates uh, I think arather important question.
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If you want to live according toGod's word and know his will,
how is that possible if youdon't read the instructions?
It's kind of like putting a gasgrill together without reading
the instructions you wind upwith the pieces you forgot to do
something with.
When you go delight it, eithernothing happens or it blows up
in your face.
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It is absolutely positivelyimpossible to be a faithful
child of God without knowing theword of God.
Yeah, his word is that valuableand that vital.
That's why we read this inIsaiah chapter forty, verse
eight.
The grass withers, the flowerfades, but the word of our God
stands forever.
Psalm chapter nineteen versesseven through eleven brings even
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greater understanding of theword of God.
The law of the Lord is perfect,converting the soul, the
testimony of the Lord is sure,and making wise the simple.
The statutes of the Lord areright, rejoicing the heart, the
commandment of the Lord is pure,enlightening the eyes, the fear
of the Lord is clean, enduringforever.
The judgments of the Lord aretrue and righteous altogether.
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More to be desired are they thangold, yea, than much fine gold,
sweeter also than honey, and thehoneycomb.
Moreover, by them your servantis warned, and in keeping them
there is great reward.
When the Word of God is absent,how will you battle the
temptations of Satan that youwill be facing?
And you will be facingtemptations.
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Being tempted isn't a sin, bythe way.
Giving in to temptation, that'sthe sin.
Let's go to the way this truthis, I think, best proven.
We find that in the fourthchapter of Luke, whereas Satan
tries to tempt Jesus, Satan saysthis to Jesus in verse three,
and the devil said to him, Ifyou are the Son of God, command
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this stone to become bread.
Jesus replies with this in versefour, but Jesus answered him,
saying, It is written, Man shallnot live by bread alone, but by
every word of God.
Verses six and seven have Satansaying this to Jesus, and the
devil said to him, All thisauthority I will give you and
their glory, for this has beendelivered to me, and I will give
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it to whomever I wish.
Therefore, if you will worshipbefore me, all will be yours.
He meant every kingdom in theworld.
Jesus responds with this inverse eight, and Jesus answered
and said to him, Get behind me,Satan, for it is written, You
shall worship the Lord your God,and him only you shall serve.
Verses nine through eleven,Satan actually tries to corrupt
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God's word in order to temptJesus.
Chuck this out.
Then he brought him toJerusalem, sat on the pinnacle
of the temple, and said to him,If you are the Son of God, throw
yourself down from here, for itis written, He shall give his
angels charge over you to keepyou, and in their hands they
shall bear you up lest you dashyour foot against a stone.
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In that instance, Satan'sactually quoting from Psalm 91.
But Jesus turns to the truth ofGod's word in verse twelve
declaring, and Jesus answeredand said to him, It has been
said, You shall not tempt theLord your God.
Jesus in all three of thoseinstances was quoting, by the
way, from the book ofDeuteronomy, specifically
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chapter eight, verse three,chapter six, verse sixteen, and
chapter six, verse thirteen.
That brings up another veryimportant truth.
No part of God's word featuresan expiration date.
The Old Testament, for numerousreasons, is needed for a full
understanding of the NewTestament.
This is why Paul writes this inRomans chapter fifteen, verse
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four, for whatever things werewritten before were written for
our learning, that we, throughthe patience and comfort of the
scriptures, might have hope.
When we read the latest book bya favorite author and get to
that last page, what do we do?
We either write put the book onthe shelf or if it's an ebook in
a folder for saving and wait fortheir next book.
God's word has, for now andforever, only one book that you
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need to read.
Of course, the Bible.
The actor Hugh O'Brien told meone time the story about how we
went to Africa to spend timewith the great humanitarian
Albert Schweitzer, spent a fewweeks watching up close the work
Schweitzer was doing, helpedout, spent time talking with
this great man.
When it was time for Hugh toleave, come back to the States,
as Schweitzer walked into theplane, he said to Hugh, So Hugh,
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what are you going to do withall this?
Meaning, how are you going totake what you've experienced and
turn it into good works?
When he came back to America,Hugh launched the Hugh O'Brien
Youth Foundation, which helpsteens develop a path for their
lives.
That organization continues hiswork today as part of Hugh's
legacy.
So my question to you after youread the Bible is, what are you
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going to do with all this?
James chapter one verse twentytwo addresses the doing
requirement.
Reading here, but be doers ofthe word and not hearers only
deceiving yourselves.
As you would expect, I hope, theBible provides you with the
answers.
Second Timothy chapter three,verse sixteen gives us this All
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Scripture is given byinspiration of God and is
profitable for doctrine, forreproof, for correction, for
instruction in righteousness.
We get this guidance from Joshuachapter one verse eight.
This book of the law shall notdepart from your mouth, but you
shall meditate in it day andnight, that you may observe to
do according to all that iswritten in it, for then you will
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make your way prosperous, andthen you will have good success.
Colossians chapter three versesixteen gives us these
instructions Let the Word ofChrist dwell in you richly in
all wisdom, teaching andadmonishing one another, in
psalms and hymns and spiritualsongs, singing with grace in
your hearts to the Lord.
Now you might think you can fakeit, try to fool people, take
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shortcuts, do more deeds in thedarkness and in the light.
If that's you, let me be the oneto tell you that God has already
spotted and tagged you.
Your truth is exposed in firstJohn chapter two, verses three
and four.
Now by this we know that we knowhim if we keep his commandments.
He who says I know him and doesnot keep his commandments is a
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liar, and the truth is not inhim.
Thanks as always for comingalong for the ride today.
Appreciate your attention andyour time.
Look forward to being with youright here this time next week
for our next edition of Issuesand Ideas.
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