June 21, 2026 • 52 mins
Join us for expert discussions and analysis on today's news, politics, the U.S. deal to end the war with Iran, how Democrats need to approach the midterms, living with HIV and the importance of testing, the ways scammers use AI and what the Bible teaches about fatherhood.
(00:00) Peter D. Johnston, Managing Director with Negotiation Advice International, shares his analysis of the Memo Of Understanding between the U.S. and Iran, the way it came about and whether it will result in a lasting end to the war in Iran.
(13:24) Attorney and former Special Counsel for President Bill Clinton Lanny Davis discusses the current political landscape and how Democrats need to respond to it leading up to the midterms.
(27:48) In recognition of June 27 being National HIV Testing Day CVS Specialty Pharmacist Helen Everett and CVS Specialty patient Christopher Hooper who's living with HIV talk about the importance of testing and being proactive in addressing HIV.
(38:35) Cybersecurity expert Jeff Lunglhofer, Chief Security Officer with Coinbase, explains how criminals are using AI to launch scams and how to defend against them.
(47:06) On this Father's Day Chris DeBello looks at what the Bible teaches about fatherhood.
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SPEAKER_00 (00:00):
Hello, welcome to Issues and Ideas.
I'm Chris Tabello.
Donald Trump is the master dealmaker.
Just ask him.
That's what he'll tell you.
Trump lives and breeze, ofcourse, the heart of the deal.
Trump entered his most recentdeal-making effort, making great
promises.
Of course, I'm referring to thewar in around.
Now that we know what at leastthe initial result of that deal
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is, how well do you think Trumpsucceeded?
I know it's a heavy lift givenhow often it changed, but think
back to what the state ofpurpose of the war was.
Does the agreement address thatpurpose?
Pick whichever one you prefer.
The first yesterday is here toprovide his analysis of this
example of Trump's deal making.
Certainly a go-to person forthis, considering his position
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as managing editor ofNegotiation Advice
International, as well as authorof the book, Negotiating with
Trump, Lessons on Power,Influence, and Dealing with
Extreme Bargainers, Peter D.
Johnson.
How are you day, Peter?
SPEAKER_04 (00:57):
I'm fine, thank you, Chris.
Thanks for having me on yourshow.
SPEAKER_00 (01:01):
And learn more about Negotiation Advice
International,negotiationadvice.com.
We have that link at ourhomepage.
To build a foundation for thelistener, based on your
knowledge experience, Peter,define negotiation.
SPEAKER_04 (01:16):
So, Chris, we're effectively negotiating anytime
we're trying to influencesomeone to do something.
And so it's not what a lot ofpeople assume in terms of it has
to involve lawyers andboardrooms and detailed
contracts.
As an example of an informaldeal, uh Americans go into the
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and put mark their X on theirballots, and they don't sign a
huge contract with the presidentwhen they support him, but they
go into the ballot booth andthey vote for him, marking that
X, and that's their way ofclosing the deal.
Whether he follows through ornot is another story.
(02:18):
I think it's uh that is verymuch part of negotiation, being
able to read other people.
Uh the president is that'sactually one of his strengths
that I talk about in the book.
Uh but it goes far beyond justthe tells of people's uh body
language uh and language at thetable.
(02:39):
You're negotiating away from thetable as well, as Americans have
done with the president uh whenthey've expressed those who are
unhappy with his performancewhen they take him to the
streets.
That's negotiating.
It's just doing it away from thetable to influence whether the
president changes his stance ona given issue.
SPEAKER_00 (03:01):
Talk about the the elements of believability as
well as trust, because a lot ofpeople are saying with the way
that Donald Trump handled thingswith Iran, and like I alluded to
in the introduction, everyalmost every day it seemed like
there was a different purpose.
And then with that being thebecoming more fluid than than a
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point of focus, what does thatdo as far as how much you could
trust someone who who can't whocan't keep a focus?
SPEAKER_04 (03:31):
Yeah, i uh well uh point taken on the deal with
Iran, I I think the fact thatthe deal as it's been announced
and the memorandum ofunderstanding uh does not
address most of the coreinterests that the
administration expressed asbeing the reason the country was
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at war tells you something,doesn't it?
It tells you that this was notabout those interests, those
national interests.
This was very much driven byTrump's personal and political
interests.
And I believe that would includeuh the Epstein files at home
that were a distraction andundermining his power and
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authority domestically, andleading him to uh to uh a
distraction in the Middle East,uh spurred on, of course, by his
friend Netanyahu in Israel, uh,who assured him that Iran, as
he's done for 20 years now, uh,was on the cusp of developing a
nuclear weapon.
And and I would just sayoverall, Chris, uh we shouldn't
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take this long-term agreement uhtoo seriously.
I just don't, I think it's deadon arrival uh because of how it
was negotiated to your point, interms of you know, the the
Iranians coming to the tablebecause they were being
threatened with extinction.
That's a very deals are you knowuh very much driven by the how.
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And that how is not a healthyhow that builds trust and
communication between theparties to allow for a long-term
deal.
The other question on the howwas who was involved?
I think the negotiators,including uh Kushner uh and
Whitkop, uh and uh uh were arenot they don't have the right
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expertise to be negotiating adeal like this.
And as for the what, uh, if youwere Iran at this point, uh
would you uh give up uh uh yournuclear ambitions when you've
been attacked in an unprovokedway two times in the last nine
months?
And would you give up uh yournewly uh discovered superpower
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over the Strait of Hormuz?
And anytime you're not happywith anything that's going on,
or if people were to try toattack you, you can use that
superpower.
Why would you give that up?
SPEAKER_00 (05:51):
Now, having said all that, Peter, and let's let's
take it out of the specificcase.
But if you are in negotiationsand you come out far shorter
than what you said you weregoing to go for, what does that
do in as your influence andposition in future negotiations?
SPEAKER_04 (06:14):
I think that's uh you've sort of answered your old
question of asking thatquestion.
It it it is uh for sure a knockon the president's credibility
going forward.
I think this uh doesn't uh makethe U.S.
look stronger.
It undermines the military anduh the threat of using that
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military when it wasn'teffective in this situation in
terms of getting uh what thepresident wanted from the
Iranians.
So uh I I think if we go back tolast year and the bombings in
June uh that uh uh supposedlyhad decimated Iran's nuclear uh
uh potential, uh you'll recallthat just weeks before that
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happened, the president becameaware for the first time of
Taco.
Uh Trump always chickens out.
And I I believe that was one ofthe spurs for why he attacked in
the first place was he's allabout power and authority and
showing that military might,having the U.S.
feared.
And so uh he uh has underminedhimself uh to your question on
(07:24):
this uh negotiation in theshorter term and longer term.
And as I say, this deal, peopleshouldn't get too fussed about
it in the longer term, because Idon't think it should have any
roots given how it wasnegotiated and what's in it.
SPEAKER_00 (07:39):
Peter Johnson, who is managing director of
Negotiating AdviceInternational, author of the
book, Negotiating with Trump,The Lessons on Power Influence
and Dealing with ExtremeBargainers,
negotiationadvice.com, thewebsite, and you are listening
to issues and ideas.
Turning to your book, Peter, youtalk about the the principles,
the psychological principles ofnegotiating, anchoring, loss
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aversion, reciprocity,authority.
What what are the mo what what'sthe most misunderstood that
opens the door for someone tofall short and succeeding in
negotiation?
SPEAKER_04 (08:13):
Well, if we were to talk about those principles, and
I do in explaining how PresidentTrump negotiated his way to
power twice, uh just let me giveyou the brief examples of Trump
uh is brilliant at usinganchoring, which is our first
impressions of what a correctanswer is, uh Chris, in in how
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he anchored people with theimage he generated through The
Apprentice.
And to including up to 2024, wehave evidence through research
that shows voters who supportedTrump, uh, you could tell that
they were still influenced bytheir perceptions that had been
anchored 20 years earlier aroundthe apprentice, which was a
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remarkable success for thepresident.
So what happens with anchoringis we uh uh create an initial
impression answer.
We think Donald Trump issuccessful in this case, and we
ignore all the other data, andit's incre that would suggest
otherwise in terms of a lot ofthe challenges and failings that
the president had in hisnegotiations.
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So, anchoring, uh we have to allbe careful uh about our initial
impressions and challenge thoseimpressions, and that's what we
can learn from Trump, which iswhat I'm trying to show people
in negotiating with Trump is notjust how to negotiate better
with the president, but how tonegotiate in your own life.
The other one I'll mentionbriefly is the combination of
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power and authority that thepresident projects and what that
allows him to do in terms of uhappearing to be credible and uh
strong with the American people,when you tie that into uh uh a
perceived sense of loss and lawuh we have twice the uh concern
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over losses as we do an equalgain, meaning you'd have to find
$40 to be just as happy as youwere unhappy losing$20, the
president realizes that we havethis tremendous uh aversion to
loss, and he has built MAGA onthat foundation in terms of uh
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make America great again.
Why?
Because of what's been lost.
And when you tie that toauthority, the reason the
president's able to act in anauthoritarian manner on many
fronts is because 40% ofAmericans in some surveys want
that authoritarian leader incertain circumstances.
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And what are thosecircumstances?
They're them perceiving a bigloss, whether it's through
immigration or economically andwhat they had before.
And when you tie that into powerand authority, the president
gains more power and authorityto act in an authoritarian
manner because of that perceivedloss, which he is so good at
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selling Americans as a painpoint, uh, making it clear to
them not what they have, butwhat they have lost in the past
and perceived losses goingforward.
So that's the power of thatpsychology.
And, you know, insurancecompanies, for example, take
advantage of our concerns overloss by pitching uh how we
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should protect ourselves fromloss.
That's why the insuranceindustry exists and thrives, uh,
overstating what our perceivedlosses could be uh to their
financial gain, just as thepresident has done so
effectively politically.
SPEAKER_00 (11:48):
Insurance companies also make, well, let's say,
unrealist unrealistic promises.
I just got an offer one timethat says that if I make it to
the to the age of 120, I'll geta huge cashback payout.
So it sounds great, but the oddsof that happening are uh I think
Slim has left town already.
But what Peter does with withnegotiating with Trump is he
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takes the tactics used by oneperson and helps you understand
the value they'll have inwhatever it you're doing, and
you might not even realize it,but from business to day-to-day
life, you do get involved withsome element of negotiation.
And maybe throughout all Peter'sbooks, there are so many valid
points, but I think the one thatmight instantly click with you
(12:30):
that you'll learn from thefastest, he does a complete
different analysis from whatwe've heard already about the
Oval Office meeting withZelensky.
You remember that?
Spectacular moment.
Oh, Peter gives you insight aswell into negotiation tactics
and styles and how they canresult in what you were hoping
for and maybe not what youplanned that might wind up
(12:53):
having you in a better spot thanyou even anticipated.
Again, the book is Negotiatingwith Trump Lessons on Power,
Influence, and Dealing withExtreme Bargainers.
He is Managing Director ofNegotiation Advice International
at NegotiationAdvice.com.
Peter D.
Johnson, thank you for thereally in-depth and easy to
grasp understanding of thestyle, direction, and importance
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of negotiating.
And thanks for being here today.
SPEAKER_04 (13:19):
My pleasure, Chris.
Thank you so much for having me.
SPEAKER_00 (13:24):
Can you think of any other time in modern-day
politics when there's beendivision like we're seeing
today?
What's been the result?
Well, you know, very littlelegislation passed, programs
that millions rely on for theirhealth and well-being, not just
endangered, even cut, server twoto one, replacing serving the
many.
And uh, basic overall hostilitythat's expanding the division
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even more.
Doesn't sound like there's muchhope, does it?
Well, I believe there is.
If you learn from the ideas andinsights my guest offers through
his experience, and he alsoshares in his recent book,
Finding the Third Way, Lessonsin the Politics of Stay It With
Me, Civility from my JourneyThrough History, Well of Being a
partner and co-founder of thelaw firm David Goldberg and
(14:06):
Galper, partner in the publicrelations firm Trident DMG,
served as special counsel toPresident Bill Clinton, and to
this day is a devoted WillieMays fan, Lenny Davis.
How are you today, sir?
SPEAKER_03 (14:19):
Say hey, Willie.
Uh and now I'm a Knicks, uhalways been a Knicks fan, but
thank you for that intro.
I do want to just jump into onevery provocative and interesting
comment you made.
Has there ever been a time inU.S.
history?
And I don't think there hasbeen, except for one time period
where 300,000 Americans killedeach other called the Civil War,
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and that was when we were usingfirearms.
But short of using firearms, theTrump era and Democrats carry
some responsibility too, is theworst in American history.
So I do agree with you.
SPEAKER_00 (14:54):
But when you look at the just the sheer numbers of
things in the House and theSenate, the numbers being so
evenly divided, what's that doesthat tell what does that tell of
the of the American citizenshipthat we don't know which one's
the better offer right now, oris this an opportunity, as many
believe in the midterms comingup in November, for the
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Democrats, to really see thedoor being wide open for them to
make a difference and moveforward?
SPEAKER_03 (15:23):
Well, first of all, the difference nowadays is
personal demonization ofsomebody you disagree with.
Uh back in the days uh where itwas Ronald Reagan, very partisan
conservative Republicans versusvery liberal Democrats, and a
lot of really uh vitriolic uhwords being exchanged.
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At the end of a long day, uh itwas absolutely a fact that uh
President Reagan would get intothe presidential limousine very
quietly go out uh South Lawnexit, go up to the hill, uh go
into a side entrance wherenobody um uh would be
surrounding him, although ofcourse people were aware that
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the president was visiting.
And where would he go?
He'd go into Tip O'Neill'soffice, the speaker of the house
who during the day was beatingup on him, uh verbally but not
physically, and what would theydo?
They would tip a scotch orwhiskey, they would laugh, they
would disagree, and they wouldfigure it out.
(16:29):
That's a big deal difference.
And I know in the Clinton WhiteHouse, with all the polarization
between Newt Gingrich and BillClinton and Democrats and
Republicans during the daytime,Bill Clinton and Newt Gingrich
and I would throw in JoeScarborough because now he's a T
V personality, but back then hewas a backbencher hardcore
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conservative.
They would sit down and what didthey do?
They balanced the budget.
And when balance the budget,that's an expression that you
say, what come on, nobodybalances any budgets anymore.
And when Bill Clinton leftoffice on his last day after two
terms, he left a three billiondollar surplus.
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And he didn't do that himself.
He did it with Gingrich andScarborough and the Republicans
compromising.
So that's a big deal ofdifference than today and back
then.
SPEAKER_00 (17:24):
Well, another big difference is, and I said this
in the intro for for a reason,serving one versus serving the
many, and you know it's greatwhen you see Marjorie Taylor
Green, John Cornyn, Tom Tillis,uh the list is growing, speaking
out against Donald Trump, butthe problem is they're all on
their way out.
Unless you know, for those whoaren't getting primaried out or
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saying, you know, I've hadenough, I'm out of here, those
are the ones we need to hearthat from.
SPEAKER_03 (17:54):
Well, that's the reason they're uh free, is they
don't worry about losing theiroffice because they're out
anyway.
It'd be great to see a couple ofmembers of the Republican caucus
say, you know what, this jobdoesn't pay me enough to really
undermine our Constitutionbecause the Congress is supposed
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to be the check and balance tothe executive, and we've got the
spending power.
That's what the framers wrote.
We want there to be a stalematebetween executive power and the
Congress.
We don't want a dictatorship ofthe Congress.
They were more worried if youread the history of the writing
of the Constitution.
Believe it or not, uh JamesMadison wrote they were more
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worried about a parliamentarydemocracy because of their
memories of somebody namedCromwell who took over the
British Parliament and almostimposed a a dictatorship with
the Parliament.
So they were worried about toomuch power in the Congress.
But the whole point is checksand balances don't trust anyone.
And we're going to needRepublicans who are not fearful
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about losing their jobs, notjust the ones on their way out.
But I I have to say, Democratsare no different.
Democrats have not stood up todemocratic presidents.
Everyone feels a need to beloyal to the president of their
party.
So I'm trying to be even-handedhere that I'm not just blaming
it on a party or a group ofRepublicans.
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It's part of our system.
This loyalty issue, overcomingpatriotism and commitment to the
Constitution.
I think both parties now arewaking up to the need for there
to be checks and balancesbecause Donald Trump's made it
very clear he thinks executivepower is supreme and that that
there isn't a check and balance.
There is a whole group ofconservative Republicans who
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have invested in projects aboutexecutive power.
They actually call it theunitary executive, which is
contradicted by James Madisonand the Constitution.
There should be no unitaryanything.
The whole system was set up notto trust any part of the three
branches of government.
So we've got a challenge,certainly.
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And it's both parties.
SPEAKER_00 (20:08):
I keep saying Democrats have a lot of
responsibility for this mess, aswell as Republicans.com.
You're listening to Issues andIdeas.
So let's take that approachlooking at both parties, because
for the Democrats, everyone'ssaying a door wide open.
I just said it earlier, too.
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But it's not an automatic.
And for Republicans, what is itthey need to do to avoid falling
back to the days of almostirrelevancy, back to the days,
I'm showing my political agehere, Bob Livingston and Trent
Lott leadership times.
SPEAKER_03 (20:47):
Two great people, by the way.
SPEAKER_00 (20:48):
Oh yeah, no slam on them, but they were they were
very complacent.
SPEAKER_03 (20:54):
Mr.
Livingston and Mr.
Gingrich uh over the years I'veactually become friends with,
which is shows it's possible.
So I I think there's about twoor three answers.
Uh I'd speak to the Democratsfirst, because I'm a Democrat.
I think we have failed miserablyin giving the American people an
alternative to Donald Trump.
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And the proof for me is I have alot of liberal Democratic
friends, uh some of themconservative Democratic friends,
who voted for Trump.
And the reason they always giveme is they dislike Trump's
character, they think he lies,they think he ignores the rule
of law, all that stuff.
Then why did you vote for him?
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Because you're worse, meaningyou Democrats.
You don't have anything to tellme positive.
You only know how to trashTrump.
So for me, my big goal the nextfew months, I'm writing some
columns on the subject, is theway James Carvel said, if the
economy's stupid, well I'msaying to Democrats, it's
policies stupid.
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We have to change.
Policies policies that haveoffended the middle class and
working class of the countrythat we used to have that were
Franklin Roosevelt, HarryTruman, John Kennedy Democrats.
We've lost a lot of them.
So I'm focusing on what are wesaying, what do we stand for
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that's offensive, and how can wehave a positive message to the
American people.
SPEAKER_00 (22:25):
When you take into account too, as of most recent
polling, there's a huge block ofvoters that are just drifting
right now, specifically theblack and Hispanic voters.
Trump did gain a lot of supportfrom those two demographics, but
for a variety of reasons.
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Is that going to be the thedeciding factor what happens
with the midterms?
SPEAKER_03 (22:54):
Well, you're absolutely right.
They're turning away from, butthey're not turning to the
Democratic Party, because whenyou turn away from something,
you have to have something thatyou're listening to that you
like.
You don't turn away and thenhear silence.
You think to yourself, I havenowhere to go if all you're
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doing is silence.
So for me, I'll just give you aprelude to what I'm about to
start writing for Real ClearPolitics, which is a series of
columns about what are we for?
And it comes down to withoutimitating him exactly, it comes
down to thinking like BillClinton.
When he left office on his lastday after two terms, can you
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imagine if Donald Trump couldsay something like this, which
of course he can't, on BillClinton's last day after two
terms, get a sixty-six percentgallup job approval rating?
That is unprecedented inAmerican history.
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How did he get with all of theissues and controversies and
when I was at the White Housethey called them scandals, which
I was responsible for handlingwith the White House press
corps.
How did Bill Clinton achievetwo-thirds of the American
people gave him a positive jobapproval rating?
Right now, Donald Trump is downto thirty percent job approval.
unknown (24:22):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (24:22):
The lowest in American history.
How did Clinton do it?
It's the policies stupid.
Sure, he had a greatpersonality, he was likable,
came from Arkansas, good oldboy, but that's personality
stuff.
What were his policies?
And the policies were I startedout a little bit with you and I
won't go on further than onesentence.
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When is the last time we spentwhat we took in and we didn't
use a credit card and keepspending using a credit card?
Because who pays for that creditcard?
We don't, our kids pay for thecredit card.
We pile up debts, we go aroundthe world, if you don't mind the
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metaphor, first class airfare,first class hotels, great
vacation, we parents, you know,have a great time.
When we come home, what do wedo?
We take all the receipts fromthe credit card and we dump them
on the beds of our children andwe say, You pay.
That's what Democrats stand for.
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Democrats vote for greatprograms that they say, Oh, we
need Medicare, we need Medicaid,we need help for child care, we
need all these things.
Yes, we do.
But you know what Democrats alsosay?
We're not going to pay for them.
We're going to use a creditcard.
And our kids will pay.
Or our grandkids will pay.
So everybody sees through thehypocrisy of the Democratic
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Party not being willing to payfor all these great social
programs.
And that's the differencebetween Bill Clinton and today's
Democrats.
We have to explain to theAmerican people we stand for
balanced budgets, fiscalresponsibility, but we also
believe in government.
We're Franklin Roosevelt, JohnKennedy, Democrats.
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That's what we stand for.
Everyone asked what do theDemocrats stand for?
We stand for government thathelps people.
But the big but is we have topay for it.
And if that means increasingtaxes, we have to increase
taxes.
If that means cutting spending,we have to cut spending.
Or both.
That's what Bill Clinton did,and that's why I wrote my book
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called Finding the Third Way.
That was his third way.
SPEAKER_00 (26:37):
And that's always the foundation of open-minded
well uh ability and willingnessto listen and to look at
solutions like Lanny justdescribed, as opposed to
personal uplifting andglorification, which too many
today seem to want to exist.
You know, it's uh matter of howmuch can I do for the person who
gave me this job as opposed tohow much time can I get on pick
(26:59):
the media of your choice.
Again, the book is Finding theThird Way.
He talks about uh throughpersonal experience.
This isn't theory or studies orresearch, it's through personal
experience and observations ofhow there lies before us answers
and opportunities for astronger, better population as
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opposed to politicians.
You can also learn more aboutLanny's life and world at
LannyJDavis.com.
Lanny, it's always an educationspeaking with you.
Look forward to your upcomingcolumns.
I know they will additionally beeducational.
Thanks for being here today.
SPEAKER_03 (27:35):
Can I add a personal comment before you hang up
because I'm a Jersey city boyand I'm a great fan.
SPEAKER_00 (27:41):
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the introduction.
The key is understanding thatyou can live a life, not limit
your life when you have thediagnosis.
And Christopher, take us back tothat day when you were diagnosed
and what first went through yourmind when when the when you
learned that.
SPEAKER_01 (30:59):
Um Well, I was diagnosed back in 1992, so the
atmosphere was completelydifferent uh in regards to HIV.
Um there was a ton of stigmagoing on, a lot of fear, um, and
you know, everyone was talkingabout it, and so the day that I
found out, um everything changedat that moment.
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The best they could tell meafter my diagnosis um was that I
was positive and that maybe Ihad two years to live.
So, you know, I was a collegestudent at the time and
everything just becamecompletely different.
And so from that moment on, um Icompartmentalized it.
Um I searched for trials to umget on medications which were
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not the same as they are today.
Um there was a lot of uh sideeffects and not even sure how at
that time they weren't even surehow well they were gonna work or
how what the long term was gonnabe for those.
And so I kept that whole thing asecret for 30 years.
And then um when U equals U cameout, um the CDC declared U
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equals U, which meansundetectable means
untransmittable.
And uh that's really powerful.
It means if you're s you stay onyour medications and you take
them regularly, you do yourblood work, um, and you keep
your viral load count down, youcannot transmit the disease.
At that moment, that was reallythe groundbreaking moment for me
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to um kind of alleviate 30 yearsof of that secret and um a lot
of the shame and the stigma.
And then after that I've startedtalking about my HIV diagnosis
and build a support team.
SPEAKER_00 (32:45):
And what you just described too, Christopher, is
important for someone listening.
When you get diagnosed, if youget diagnosed with HIV, take
action.
Just don't just don't stopliving.
There there are choices, thereare options far more now than
there were certainly in 1992.
But even back in the in theancient days, as far as HIV
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research and and and medicalcare was concerned, be
proactive.
Take actions and learn as muchas you can about what what
possibilities exist for for a aprolonged and a and a regular
life as opposed to a limitedlife.
SPEAKER_01 (33:22):
Yeah, that's I mean that's very true.
I mean, I I take one pill a dayevery morning with my vitamin,
um, and that's how I manage mycare uh with HIV.
I take more uh medications formy high blood pressure than I do
for HIV at this point, um at at56 years old.
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So um uh, you know, it's it itis definitely not the end of the
world anymore.
Um it is uh something that'smanageable and um that you can
control.
And so, you know, just be awareof it.
And it's of course reallyimportant for you to get on that
medication as early as possible.
So if you are diagnosed, uh makesure you get on that and keep
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your viral your viral load countdown.
SPEAKER_00 (34:09):
So CVS specialty pharmacist Helen Ever, along
with CVS specialty patient, whois also, as you've heard, living
with HIV Christopher Hooper.
National HIV testing day came upon Saturday, June 27th.
You can learn more about CVS'swork on this.
CVShealth.com found this statstoo that out of those, I
mentioned some numbers before,there are those who are
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diagnosed with HIV.
There there's about one out ofseven that do not know that they
have it.
So talk about the testingprocess, Helen.
What does it involve?
And because people hear medicaltesting and instantly the the
curl up and say, uh no, buttesting is testing is a good
thing, as we like to say.
SPEAKER_06 (34:54):
It is a good thing.
It's um it's easy to you cantalk to your provider, you can
go where there are CVS MinuteClinics, you can check with the
CVS Minute Clinic for testingyour uh public and um so your
state and your local local umagencies, but I would probably
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you could start with yourprovider uh for testing.
Testing is the you can also umbuy uh you can buy uh tests at
CVS.
So there is an oral test if youwant to if you want privacy.
Um but there are so many optionsfor testing, but we want people
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to get tested is we know that umto prevent the transmission you
have to know if you have thedisease first.
SPEAKER_00 (35:49):
And without a doubt, and to to also think long term
as far as like Christopher wassaying, Helen, to know what
there is out there as far asoptions and opportunities to
once if you are diagnosed withHIV, to take those steps to make
sure your life is is staying asstrong and on the direction you
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want it to.
Last one last question for forChristopher.
For the person listening rightnow, if they're one of those one
out of seven who might have itand they're thinking their
lifestyle, whatever it may be,might have made them prone to
the virus.
Talk to that person right now.
SPEAKER_01 (36:32):
Um I think I think it's important to know these
days that this is a virus.
And so, you know, it's importantto um be responsible.
Um, you know, we just got overthe COVID moment, and so, you
know, there's lots of thingsthat can that can be done um as
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far as vaccines and uh withCOVID, but at the same time, you
know, just be responsible, Ithink, um, about your own uh
condition.
You just gotta know if you'repositive or not.
I think if you think about itthis way, if you um if everybody
that is positive currently um ison medication and becomes
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undetectable and cannot transmitthe disease, and then everybody
that has it um tests it, testsand then gets on medication, we
can eliminate HIV as a whole.
And I think I think that's thegoal.
SPEAKER_06 (37:27):
And if I want to interject also, Chris, is if you
think that you're at risk, thereis also medication now that you
can take to prevent.
So if you think that you'regonna have um um continuing risk
factors, you can go on prep.
And that's also a daily pill oruh long-acting injectable
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medication.
So depending on your risk, youmay want to take something to
prevent it as well.
SPEAKER_00 (38:01):
Talk to your medical provider if you have not, and
use this day as the motivationto change that not into a do,
and to learn more about CVS andwhat they provide and they're
testing their guidance fromsupplies, medications,
CVSHealth.com.
We've been talking with CVSspecialty pharmacist Helen
Everett, or with a CVS specialtypatient who is living very
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strongly and well in spite ofHIV, not with HIV, Christopher
Hooper.
Thanks for the education youbrought to all of us today.
Thanks for being here.
SPEAKER_06 (38:32):
Thank you.
Thank you.
SPEAKER_00 (38:35):
So much of our financial life going digital has
certainly proven to be a greatconvenience, but at the same
time it's brought about greatrisks if you don't keep your eye
on things.
Do you think you're tech savvyenough that online thieves
won't, you know, whack you?
Well, guess what?
There are cyber thieves using AIas a weapon out there that are
more tech savvy and work fasterthan you can watch out for.
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Information, awareness, that isdefinitely what you need to
avoid an online financialdisaster.
And my next guest joins us toride you with exactly that.
He's a cybersecurity expert,chief security officer of
Coinbase, Jeff Lungelhofer.
How are you today, Jeff?
SPEAKER_02 (39:14):
I'm great.
Thanks so much for having me,Chris.
SPEAKER_00 (39:16):
Learn more about Coinbase and get more
information at Coinbase.com andforward slash blog.
I know we make jokes about thisout of the past, but you know,
it used to be very blatant cyberattacks, you know, the the
infamous Nigerian Prince emails,but by and large, I think we
became a lot more text-avvy, anda lot of the attacks became
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crystal clear.
How clandestine are these AIattacks?
SPEAKER_02 (39:42):
Yeah, you you nailed it, Chris.
Um, you know, AI, artificialintelligence is supercharging
scams beyond anything that we'veseen in the past.
So like those things are thegeneric, the obvious stuff with
the grammar and the Nigerianprincess, forget it.
That's history.
Now what we're seeing are verytargeted, customized scams that
are specifically targeting,like, Chris, you, like your job,
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your interests, your background.
And the and the really crazything is that with the tweets
that these scammers are usingthe artificial intelligence, it
doesn't take days to set up thatscam.
They can literally execute ascam like that with the click of
a mouse button.
SPEAKER_00 (40:21):
Yeah, I've used some of the AI software.
I'm not going to say what orwhere I found it, but literally
with three to five seconds of avoice, you could create a person
that could hold a conversation,make a pitch, because that's
something else that is a newattack, is these are verbal
attacks that are happening.
They are these aren't text inmessages or emails.
SPEAKER_02 (40:43):
That's right.
And then they feel, to yourpoint, totally real, right?
And it may be somebody that youpersonally know, their voice, or
even, Chris, even forget thevoice, it might be a video of
that person and the voice on aWhatsApp or a Telegram or one of
those video apps that you can,you know, that you can uh see
the person.
And and you're gonna noticethough, the commonality between
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all these scams is reduced towhat they sound like, what they
look like, there's gonna be thatsense of urgency that because
you gotta do it now, you gottado it now.
And your best defense as a asthe recipient of a scam like
that is when you start to feelthat pressure, that oh, they're
now talking about money.
They want me to send money, theywant me to do something.
Take a breath, slow down, hangup the phone, and verify before
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you act.
SPEAKER_00 (41:31):
Typically, when there used to be phone scams, I
always told people, if you don'trecognize the number, don't
answer, because even if youanswer and hang up, that tells
the scammer the number isactive, it's worth something,
they'll sell it to anotherscammer.
How how frequent do these do wehave an understanding how
frequent these AI-driven scamscome after you?
Do they just come after you overand over and over again and
(41:52):
attempt to break you, or theyjust catch a catch on, okay,
this is a dead fish and move on?
SPEAKER_02 (41:58):
Oh, I I I would suspect that somewhere between
70 and 80 percent of Americanswill be the target of a scam
every single year.
And I can tell you personally,Chris, my phone, personally, um,
I have to block all unknownnumbers on my phone because it
will literally ring all day,every single day.
And and here's an important tip: if you do get on that phone, if (42:16):
undefined
you do answer, and it's afinancial institution that's
calling you, step one, hang upthe phone.
Immediately hang up the phone.
Then what I want you to do is goto the website of that company
directly.
Don't search for it, go directlyto the website, get in your
browser, get the absolute phonenumber, and you call them.
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Anytime anyone calls you, askingfor sensitive information,
asking for money, your very bestdefense is hanging up that
phone.
SPEAKER_00 (42:49):
Is that the main thing these AI scammers are
after, the money, or are theylooking for access to your
money, such as crypto or uhinvestment accounts or things
like that?
SPEAKER_02 (43:01):
Well, the end result is always the same, Chris.
So if they're asking you forsensitive information,
passwords, uh codes, things likethat.
They're only doing that for onereason.
It's so they can get access toyour hard-earned money.
So generally speaking, money isalways the goal when it comes to
scams.
SPEAKER_00 (43:18):
It's not like the email scams where depending on
your browser, you could holdover hold the cursor over a
link, for example, and you'd seeBankofamerica.com, but then
you'd see a little pop-up windowthat would have this totally
long, totally different, usuallybased in a foreign country URL.
So those days you could kind ofclue yourself in and learn as
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you go and protect yourself.
What kind of defense is outthere right now for these games
other than common sense?
But then again, you're trying tohave common sense uh against a
scheme that's trying to causeyou to panic.
SPEAKER_02 (43:54):
That's right.
Absolutely right.
So a couple of tips that I wantto give to everybody out there.
One, remember And if in asituation asking you for money,
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hey, I'm going to hang up andcall you back and B let the code
work.
That lets you authenticate thatperson a bit so that you know
you're talking with a legitimatemember of your family.
You're not talking to artificialintelligence.
SPEAKER_00 (44:57):
That's a brilliant idea, too.
I was thinking for all of yourfinancial matters, because you
know, phones are relativelyinexpensive versus back in the
day, to have a phone numberdedicated for just your
financial aspects so that wayyou're narrowing the signal
you're putting out with it witha phone that you're using for
pretty important business.
SPEAKER_02 (45:17):
Yeah, Chris, I would actually add one to that.
So having a dedicated phone andphone number is great, but
here's a really important one aswell.
Have a dedicated email that youuse, a dedicated Gmail account
or some other email account, butisn't the one that you use every
single day.
And why is that one of the toptargets of a space is your
email?
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Because if you access youremail, think about this for a
minute.
Every email that is received, itis a sense of your reason, it is
a famous use of business with.
It is a big line of information,and it can use, once again,
artificial intelligence to mineall that information to create
an incredibly believable scamthat targets you specifically.
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So using that dedicated emailfor financials is just as
important as a dedicated phone.
That's a great tip.
SPEAKER_00 (46:07):
And certainly too.
All it takes is one email to oneof your financial aspects, and
the scammer is they've got you.
They don't even need to bothercracking into the database of
the financial institute.
If you're not careful, you justopen the door and let them let
them walk in.
And to learn more about theseideas as well as the services of
Coinbase, which is really againanother secure way of protecting
(46:31):
your financial aspects and doingsome wise choices and decisions
in your financial financial lifeat Coinbase.com.
And they keep you updated toowith the latest information
about what we talk about here,other things at the oversee at
Coinbase.com forward slash blog.
We've been talking withCybersecurity Expert, Chief
Security Officer of Coinbase,Jeff Lungeloffer.
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Jeff, thanks for the wake-upcall, and hopefully a lot of
people will become a lot moreaware of what they're being
bombarded with and be a lot morecautious.
Thanks again.
SPEAKER_02 (47:03):
Thanks so much for having me, Chris.
SPEAKER_00 (47:06):
Today is Father's Day.
Bible teaches a great deal aboutfatherhood.
These lessons include who afather is required to be, the
respect his children are to showhim, and guidance for doing
what's right for their children.
Considering all the books whichhave been written, claiming to
offer help for fathers,especially first time dads,
God's word is and will always bethe best resource for the truth.
(47:28):
So let's explore some of this.
There's no need to be confusedor spend months looking for
guidance when you learn you'reabout to become a father.
All you need to do is look toour Father for the wisdom and
direction that will make you agreat dad.
Jesus in Matthew chapter six,verses thirty one and thirty-two
tells how God the Father providefor us as you should for your
child.
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Therefore do not worry, say whatshall we eat, or what shall we
drink, or what shall we wear forafter all these things the
Gentiles seek, for your heavenlyFather knows that you need all
these things.
Fathers are to be teachers andguides for their children, so
they grow up right as well asrighteous.
There's no such thing asautopilot fathering.
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Here's how this is explained inIsaiah sixty four, verse eight.
But now, O Lord, you are ourfather, we are the clay, and you
are our potter, and all we arethe work of your hand.
In Matthew chapter six, versetwenty six, Jesus teaches how
Father God feeds and shows lovefor his children, as all fathers
should.
Jesus speaking, look at thebirds of the air, for they
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neither sow nor reap nor gatherinto barns, yet your heavenly
father feeds them, are you notof more value than they?
A good and godly father neverholds a grudge when the child
does wrong.
Of course, discipline is acrucial part of being a father,
but it must also come withforgiveness.
Paul writes this in Ephesianschapter six verse four.
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And you fathers do not provokeyour children to wrath, but
bring them up in the trainingand admonition of the Lord.
Proverbs chapter nineteen, verseeighteen teaches the importance
of discipline.
Chasten your son while there ishope, and do not set your heart
on his destruction.
Which of course means spiritualdestruction.
As I mentioned, there are twoparts to correcting a child,
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with the second beingforgiveness, allowing anger to
take root is allowing Satan togain strength and home.
Going back to Ephesians, here iswhat Paul tells us in Ephesians
chapter four, verses thirty andthirty-one.
And do not grieve the HolySpirit of God, by whom you were
sealed for the day ofredemption.
Let all bitterness, wrath,anger, clamor, and evil speaking
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be put away from you with allmalice.
Then the very next verse givesus insight into what will
prevent that anger from takingroot and ensure that we won't
grieve the Holy Spirit.
And be kind to one another,tender hearted, forgiving one
another, even as God in Christforgave you.
It's always a blessing to seehow fast God and His chosen get
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to the point.
Isn't that the truth?
If only the same could be saidabout many people we have to
deal in the earthly world.
Listen to how all this isexplained in Proverbs chapter
ten, verse twelve.
Hatred stirs up strife, but lovecovers all sins.
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Consequences of that ispresented in Colossians chapter
three, verse twenty-one, and Ihope they're unwanted by you.
Fathers do not provoke yourchildren lest they become
discouraged.
Father's Day, just as it is withany one day designated for a
special purpose or cause, isdesigned to remind us that the
love and respect we show ourfathers today is expected of us
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by God to be shown to ourfathers every day.
This is so important to God, Hemade it a part of the Ten
Commandments that he gave toMoses.
As you hopefully recall, firstfour commandments tell how we
are to worship God.
Then the very first after thatinstructs us to be good children
for our parents.
We find this in Exodus chaptertwenty, verse twelve.
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Honor your father and yourmother that your days may be
long upon the land which theLord your God is giving you.
Yes, there's more that Godexpects of you as children of
your parents.
You are to honor your father andmother with the way that you
carry yourself.
Let's go to Proverbs twenty,verse eleven.
Even a child is known by hisdeeds, whether what he does is
pure and right.
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Having a godly father on earthas we have a godly father in
heaven, when we walk right,think right, and live right, we
bring joy to both.
As told to us in third Johnchapter one, verse four, I have
no greater joy than to hear thatmy children walk in truth.
So on this Father's day I say toall dads that when you follow
God's instructions, Fatherhoodwill bring to you all the joys
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that it contains.
For all children, I say to you,that we're looked at by God as
precious gifts to our father andmother.
So don't live as if you camewrapped in a dirty, stained
paper.
Live according to the Word ofGod, honoring the
responsibilities He's given toyou, so your father and mother
will always see you as a bright,vibrant, spectacular gift.
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edition of Issues and Ideas.
Hello, welcome to Issues and Ideas.
I'm Chris Tabello.
Donald Trump is the master dealmaker.
Just ask him.
That's what he'll tell you.
Trump lives and breeze, ofcourse, the heart of the deal.
Trump entered his most recentdeal-making effort, making great
promises.
Of course, I'm referring to thewar in around.
Now that we know what at leastthe initial result of that deal
(00:22):
is, how well do you think Trumpsucceeded?
I know it's a heavy lift givenhow often it changed, but think
back to what the state ofpurpose of the war was.
Does the agreement address thatpurpose?
Pick whichever one you prefer.
The first yesterday is here toprovide his analysis of this
example of Trump's deal making.
Certainly a go-to person forthis, considering his position
(00:45):
as managing editor ofNegotiation Advice
International, as well as authorof the book, Negotiating with
Trump, Lessons on Power,Influence, and Dealing with
Extreme Bargainers, Peter D.
Johnson.
How are you day, Peter?
SPEAKER_04 (00:57):
I'm fine, thank you, Chris.
Thanks for having me on yourshow.
SPEAKER_00 (01:01):
And learn more about Negotiation Advice
International,negotiationadvice.com.
We have that link at ourhomepage.
To build a foundation for thelistener, based on your
knowledge experience, Peter,define negotiation.
SPEAKER_04 (01:16):
So, Chris, we're effectively negotiating anytime
we're trying to influencesomeone to do something.
And so it's not what a lot ofpeople assume in terms of it has
to involve lawyers andboardrooms and detailed
contracts.
As an example of an informaldeal, uh Americans go into the
(01:38):
and put mark their X on theirballots, and they don't sign a
huge contract with the presidentwhen they support him, but they
go into the ballot booth andthey vote for him, marking that
X, and that's their way ofclosing the deal.
Whether he follows through ornot is another story.
(02:18):
I think it's uh that is verymuch part of negotiation, being
able to read other people.
Uh the president is that'sactually one of his strengths
that I talk about in the book.
Uh but it goes far beyond justthe tells of people's uh body
language uh and language at thetable.
(02:39):
You're negotiating away from thetable as well, as Americans have
done with the president uh whenthey've expressed those who are
unhappy with his performancewhen they take him to the
streets.
That's negotiating.
It's just doing it away from thetable to influence whether the
president changes his stance ona given issue.
SPEAKER_00 (03:01):
Talk about the the elements of believability as
well as trust, because a lot ofpeople are saying with the way
that Donald Trump handled thingswith Iran, and like I alluded to
in the introduction, everyalmost every day it seemed like
there was a different purpose.
And then with that being thebecoming more fluid than than a
(03:23):
point of focus, what does thatdo as far as how much you could
trust someone who who can't whocan't keep a focus?
SPEAKER_04 (03:31):
Yeah, i uh well uh point taken on the deal with
Iran, I I think the fact thatthe deal as it's been announced
and the memorandum ofunderstanding uh does not
address most of the coreinterests that the
administration expressed asbeing the reason the country was
(03:51):
at war tells you something,doesn't it?
It tells you that this was notabout those interests, those
national interests.
This was very much driven byTrump's personal and political
interests.
And I believe that would includeuh the Epstein files at home
that were a distraction andundermining his power and
(04:11):
authority domestically, andleading him to uh to uh a
distraction in the Middle East,uh spurred on, of course, by his
friend Netanyahu in Israel, uh,who assured him that Iran, as
he's done for 20 years now, uh,was on the cusp of developing a
nuclear weapon.
And and I would just sayoverall, Chris, uh we shouldn't
(04:35):
take this long-term agreement uhtoo seriously.
I just don't, I think it's deadon arrival uh because of how it
was negotiated to your point, interms of you know, the the
Iranians coming to the tablebecause they were being
threatened with extinction.
That's a very deals are you knowuh very much driven by the how.
(04:57):
And that how is not a healthyhow that builds trust and
communication between theparties to allow for a long-term
deal.
The other question on the howwas who was involved?
I think the negotiators,including uh Kushner uh and
Whitkop, uh and uh uh were arenot they don't have the right
(05:18):
expertise to be negotiating adeal like this.
And as for the what, uh, if youwere Iran at this point, uh
would you uh give up uh uh yournuclear ambitions when you've
been attacked in an unprovokedway two times in the last nine
months?
And would you give up uh yournewly uh discovered superpower
(05:39):
over the Strait of Hormuz?
And anytime you're not happywith anything that's going on,
or if people were to try toattack you, you can use that
superpower.
Why would you give that up?
SPEAKER_00 (05:51):
Now, having said all that, Peter, and let's let's
take it out of the specificcase.
But if you are in negotiationsand you come out far shorter
than what you said you weregoing to go for, what does that
do in as your influence andposition in future negotiations?
SPEAKER_04 (06:14):
I think that's uh you've sort of answered your old
question of asking thatquestion.
It it it is uh for sure a knockon the president's credibility
going forward.
I think this uh doesn't uh makethe U.S.
look stronger.
It undermines the military anduh the threat of using that
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military when it wasn'teffective in this situation in
terms of getting uh what thepresident wanted from the
Iranians.
So uh I I think if we go back tolast year and the bombings in
June uh that uh uh supposedlyhad decimated Iran's nuclear uh
uh potential, uh you'll recallthat just weeks before that
(06:58):
happened, the president becameaware for the first time of
Taco.
Uh Trump always chickens out.
And I I believe that was one ofthe spurs for why he attacked in
the first place was he's allabout power and authority and
showing that military might,having the U.S.
feared.
And so uh he uh has underminedhimself uh to your question on
(07:24):
this uh negotiation in theshorter term and longer term.
And as I say, this deal, peopleshouldn't get too fussed about
it in the longer term, because Idon't think it should have any
roots given how it wasnegotiated and what's in it.
SPEAKER_00 (07:39):
Peter Johnson, who is managing director of
Negotiating AdviceInternational, author of the
book, Negotiating with Trump,The Lessons on Power Influence
and Dealing with ExtremeBargainers,
negotiationadvice.com, thewebsite, and you are listening
to issues and ideas.
Turning to your book, Peter, youtalk about the the principles,
the psychological principles ofnegotiating, anchoring, loss
(08:01):
aversion, reciprocity,authority.
What what are the mo what what'sthe most misunderstood that
opens the door for someone tofall short and succeeding in
negotiation?
SPEAKER_04 (08:13):
Well, if we were to talk about those principles, and
I do in explaining how PresidentTrump negotiated his way to
power twice, uh just let me giveyou the brief examples of Trump
uh is brilliant at usinganchoring, which is our first
impressions of what a correctanswer is, uh Chris, in in how
(08:35):
he anchored people with theimage he generated through The
Apprentice.
And to including up to 2024, wehave evidence through research
that shows voters who supportedTrump, uh, you could tell that
they were still influenced bytheir perceptions that had been
anchored 20 years earlier aroundthe apprentice, which was a
(08:57):
remarkable success for thepresident.
So what happens with anchoringis we uh uh create an initial
impression answer.
We think Donald Trump issuccessful in this case, and we
ignore all the other data, andit's incre that would suggest
otherwise in terms of a lot ofthe challenges and failings that
the president had in hisnegotiations.
(09:19):
So, anchoring, uh we have to allbe careful uh about our initial
impressions and challenge thoseimpressions, and that's what we
can learn from Trump, which iswhat I'm trying to show people
in negotiating with Trump is notjust how to negotiate better
with the president, but how tonegotiate in your own life.
The other one I'll mentionbriefly is the combination of
(09:41):
power and authority that thepresident projects and what that
allows him to do in terms of uhappearing to be credible and uh
strong with the American people,when you tie that into uh uh a
perceived sense of loss and lawuh we have twice the uh concern
(10:04):
over losses as we do an equalgain, meaning you'd have to find
$40 to be just as happy as youwere unhappy losing$20, the
president realizes that we havethis tremendous uh aversion to
loss, and he has built MAGA onthat foundation in terms of uh
(10:26):
make America great again.
Why?
Because of what's been lost.
And when you tie that toauthority, the reason the
president's able to act in anauthoritarian manner on many
fronts is because 40% ofAmericans in some surveys want
that authoritarian leader incertain circumstances.
(10:46):
And what are thosecircumstances?
They're them perceiving a bigloss, whether it's through
immigration or economically andwhat they had before.
And when you tie that into powerand authority, the president
gains more power and authorityto act in an authoritarian
manner because of that perceivedloss, which he is so good at
(11:10):
selling Americans as a painpoint, uh, making it clear to
them not what they have, butwhat they have lost in the past
and perceived losses goingforward.
So that's the power of thatpsychology.
And, you know, insurancecompanies, for example, take
advantage of our concerns overloss by pitching uh how we
(11:32):
should protect ourselves fromloss.
That's why the insuranceindustry exists and thrives, uh,
overstating what our perceivedlosses could be uh to their
financial gain, just as thepresident has done so
effectively politically.
SPEAKER_00 (11:48):
Insurance companies also make, well, let's say,
unrealist unrealistic promises.
I just got an offer one timethat says that if I make it to
the to the age of 120, I'll geta huge cashback payout.
So it sounds great, but the oddsof that happening are uh I think
Slim has left town already.
But what Peter does with withnegotiating with Trump is he
(12:09):
takes the tactics used by oneperson and helps you understand
the value they'll have inwhatever it you're doing, and
you might not even realize it,but from business to day-to-day
life, you do get involved withsome element of negotiation.
And maybe throughout all Peter'sbooks, there are so many valid
points, but I think the one thatmight instantly click with you
(12:30):
that you'll learn from thefastest, he does a complete
different analysis from whatwe've heard already about the
Oval Office meeting withZelensky.
You remember that?
Spectacular moment.
Oh, Peter gives you insight aswell into negotiation tactics
and styles and how they canresult in what you were hoping
for and maybe not what youplanned that might wind up
(12:53):
having you in a better spot thanyou even anticipated.
Again, the book is Negotiatingwith Trump Lessons on Power,
Influence, and Dealing withExtreme Bargainers.
He is Managing Director ofNegotiation Advice International
at NegotiationAdvice.com.
Peter D.
Johnson, thank you for thereally in-depth and easy to
grasp understanding of thestyle, direction, and importance
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of negotiating.
And thanks for being here today.
SPEAKER_04 (13:19):
My pleasure, Chris.
Thank you so much for having me.
SPEAKER_00 (13:24):
Can you think of any other time in modern-day
politics when there's beendivision like we're seeing
today?
What's been the result?
Well, you know, very littlelegislation passed, programs
that millions rely on for theirhealth and well-being, not just
endangered, even cut, server twoto one, replacing serving the
many.
And uh, basic overall hostilitythat's expanding the division
(13:46):
even more.
Doesn't sound like there's muchhope, does it?
Well, I believe there is.
If you learn from the ideas andinsights my guest offers through
his experience, and he alsoshares in his recent book,
Finding the Third Way, Lessonsin the Politics of Stay It With
Me, Civility from my JourneyThrough History, Well of Being a
partner and co-founder of thelaw firm David Goldberg and
(14:06):
Galper, partner in the publicrelations firm Trident DMG,
served as special counsel toPresident Bill Clinton, and to
this day is a devoted WillieMays fan, Lenny Davis.
How are you today, sir?
SPEAKER_03 (14:19):
Say hey, Willie.
Uh and now I'm a Knicks, uhalways been a Knicks fan, but
thank you for that intro.
I do want to just jump into onevery provocative and interesting
comment you made.
Has there ever been a time inU.S.
history?
And I don't think there hasbeen, except for one time period
where 300,000 Americans killedeach other called the Civil War,
(14:41):
and that was when we were usingfirearms.
But short of using firearms, theTrump era and Democrats carry
some responsibility too, is theworst in American history.
So I do agree with you.
SPEAKER_00 (14:54):
But when you look at the just the sheer numbers of
things in the House and theSenate, the numbers being so
evenly divided, what's that doesthat tell what does that tell of
the of the American citizenshipthat we don't know which one's
the better offer right now, oris this an opportunity, as many
believe in the midterms comingup in November, for the
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Democrats, to really see thedoor being wide open for them to
make a difference and moveforward?
SPEAKER_03 (15:23):
Well, first of all, the difference nowadays is
personal demonization ofsomebody you disagree with.
Uh back in the days uh where itwas Ronald Reagan, very partisan
conservative Republicans versusvery liberal Democrats, and a
lot of really uh vitriolic uhwords being exchanged.
(15:45):
At the end of a long day, uh itwas absolutely a fact that uh
President Reagan would get intothe presidential limousine very
quietly go out uh South Lawnexit, go up to the hill, uh go
into a side entrance wherenobody um uh would be
surrounding him, although ofcourse people were aware that
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the president was visiting.
And where would he go?
He'd go into Tip O'Neill'soffice, the speaker of the house
who during the day was beatingup on him, uh verbally but not
physically, and what would theydo?
They would tip a scotch orwhiskey, they would laugh, they
would disagree, and they wouldfigure it out.
(16:29):
That's a big deal difference.
And I know in the Clinton WhiteHouse, with all the polarization
between Newt Gingrich and BillClinton and Democrats and
Republicans during the daytime,Bill Clinton and Newt Gingrich
and I would throw in JoeScarborough because now he's a T
V personality, but back then hewas a backbencher hardcore
(16:51):
conservative.
They would sit down and what didthey do?
They balanced the budget.
And when balance the budget,that's an expression that you
say, what come on, nobodybalances any budgets anymore.
And when Bill Clinton leftoffice on his last day after two
terms, he left a three billiondollar surplus.
(17:14):
And he didn't do that himself.
He did it with Gingrich andScarborough and the Republicans
compromising.
So that's a big deal ofdifference than today and back
then.
SPEAKER_00 (17:24):
Well, another big difference is, and I said this
in the intro for for a reason,serving one versus serving the
many, and you know it's greatwhen you see Marjorie Taylor
Green, John Cornyn, Tom Tillis,uh the list is growing, speaking
out against Donald Trump, butthe problem is they're all on
their way out.
Unless you know, for those whoaren't getting primaried out or
(17:49):
saying, you know, I've hadenough, I'm out of here, those
are the ones we need to hearthat from.
SPEAKER_03 (17:54):
Well, that's the reason they're uh free, is they
don't worry about losing theiroffice because they're out
anyway.
It'd be great to see a couple ofmembers of the Republican caucus
say, you know what, this jobdoesn't pay me enough to really
undermine our Constitutionbecause the Congress is supposed
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to be the check and balance tothe executive, and we've got the
spending power.
That's what the framers wrote.
We want there to be a stalematebetween executive power and the
Congress.
We don't want a dictatorship ofthe Congress.
They were more worried if youread the history of the writing
of the Constitution.
Believe it or not, uh JamesMadison wrote they were more
(18:36):
worried about a parliamentarydemocracy because of their
memories of somebody namedCromwell who took over the
British Parliament and almostimposed a a dictatorship with
the Parliament.
So they were worried about toomuch power in the Congress.
But the whole point is checksand balances don't trust anyone.
And we're going to needRepublicans who are not fearful
(19:00):
about losing their jobs, notjust the ones on their way out.
But I I have to say, Democratsare no different.
Democrats have not stood up todemocratic presidents.
Everyone feels a need to beloyal to the president of their
party.
So I'm trying to be even-handedhere that I'm not just blaming
it on a party or a group ofRepublicans.
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It's part of our system.
This loyalty issue, overcomingpatriotism and commitment to the
Constitution.
I think both parties now arewaking up to the need for there
to be checks and balancesbecause Donald Trump's made it
very clear he thinks executivepower is supreme and that that
there isn't a check and balance.
There is a whole group ofconservative Republicans who
(19:45):
have invested in projects aboutexecutive power.
They actually call it theunitary executive, which is
contradicted by James Madisonand the Constitution.
There should be no unitaryanything.
The whole system was set up notto trust any part of the three
branches of government.
So we've got a challenge,certainly.
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And it's both parties.
SPEAKER_00 (20:08):
I keep saying Democrats have a lot of
responsibility for this mess, aswell as Republicans.com.
You're listening to Issues andIdeas.
So let's take that approachlooking at both parties, because
for the Democrats, everyone'ssaying a door wide open.
I just said it earlier, too.
(20:30):
But it's not an automatic.
And for Republicans, what is itthey need to do to avoid falling
back to the days of almostirrelevancy, back to the days,
I'm showing my political agehere, Bob Livingston and Trent
Lott leadership times.
SPEAKER_03 (20:47):
Two great people, by the way.
SPEAKER_00 (20:48):
Oh yeah, no slam on them, but they were they were
very complacent.
SPEAKER_03 (20:54):
Mr.
Livingston and Mr.
Gingrich uh over the years I'veactually become friends with,
which is shows it's possible.
So I I think there's about twoor three answers.
Uh I'd speak to the Democratsfirst, because I'm a Democrat.
I think we have failed miserablyin giving the American people an
alternative to Donald Trump.
(21:15):
And the proof for me is I have alot of liberal Democratic
friends, uh some of themconservative Democratic friends,
who voted for Trump.
And the reason they always giveme is they dislike Trump's
character, they think he lies,they think he ignores the rule
of law, all that stuff.
Then why did you vote for him?
(21:36):
Because you're worse, meaningyou Democrats.
You don't have anything to tellme positive.
You only know how to trashTrump.
So for me, my big goal the nextfew months, I'm writing some
columns on the subject, is theway James Carvel said, if the
economy's stupid, well I'msaying to Democrats, it's
policies stupid.
(21:58):
We have to change.
Policies policies that haveoffended the middle class and
working class of the countrythat we used to have that were
Franklin Roosevelt, HarryTruman, John Kennedy Democrats.
We've lost a lot of them.
So I'm focusing on what are wesaying, what do we stand for
(22:18):
that's offensive, and how can wehave a positive message to the
American people.
SPEAKER_00 (22:25):
When you take into account too, as of most recent
polling, there's a huge block ofvoters that are just drifting
right now, specifically theblack and Hispanic voters.
Trump did gain a lot of supportfrom those two demographics, but
for a variety of reasons.
(22:49):
Is that going to be the thedeciding factor what happens
with the midterms?
SPEAKER_03 (22:54):
Well, you're absolutely right.
They're turning away from, butthey're not turning to the
Democratic Party, because whenyou turn away from something,
you have to have something thatyou're listening to that you
like.
You don't turn away and thenhear silence.
You think to yourself, I havenowhere to go if all you're
(23:14):
doing is silence.
So for me, I'll just give you aprelude to what I'm about to
start writing for Real ClearPolitics, which is a series of
columns about what are we for?
And it comes down to withoutimitating him exactly, it comes
down to thinking like BillClinton.
When he left office on his lastday after two terms, can you
(23:37):
imagine if Donald Trump couldsay something like this, which
of course he can't, on BillClinton's last day after two
terms, get a sixty-six percentgallup job approval rating?
That is unprecedented inAmerican history.
(23:59):
How did he get with all of theissues and controversies and
when I was at the White Housethey called them scandals, which
I was responsible for handlingwith the White House press
corps.
How did Bill Clinton achievetwo-thirds of the American
people gave him a positive jobapproval rating?
Right now, Donald Trump is downto thirty percent job approval.
unknown (24:22):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (24:22):
The lowest in American history.
How did Clinton do it?
It's the policies stupid.
Sure, he had a greatpersonality, he was likable,
came from Arkansas, good oldboy, but that's personality
stuff.
What were his policies?
And the policies were I startedout a little bit with you and I
won't go on further than onesentence.
(24:44):
When is the last time we spentwhat we took in and we didn't
use a credit card and keepspending using a credit card?
Because who pays for that creditcard?
We don't, our kids pay for thecredit card.
We pile up debts, we go aroundthe world, if you don't mind the
(25:05):
metaphor, first class airfare,first class hotels, great
vacation, we parents, you know,have a great time.
When we come home, what do wedo?
We take all the receipts fromthe credit card and we dump them
on the beds of our children andwe say, You pay.
That's what Democrats stand for.
(25:26):
Democrats vote for greatprograms that they say, Oh, we
need Medicare, we need Medicaid,we need help for child care, we
need all these things.
Yes, we do.
But you know what Democrats alsosay?
We're not going to pay for them.
We're going to use a creditcard.
And our kids will pay.
Or our grandkids will pay.
So everybody sees through thehypocrisy of the Democratic
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Party not being willing to payfor all these great social
programs.
And that's the differencebetween Bill Clinton and today's
Democrats.
We have to explain to theAmerican people we stand for
balanced budgets, fiscalresponsibility, but we also
believe in government.
We're Franklin Roosevelt, JohnKennedy, Democrats.
(26:11):
That's what we stand for.
Everyone asked what do theDemocrats stand for?
We stand for government thathelps people.
But the big but is we have topay for it.
And if that means increasingtaxes, we have to increase
taxes.
If that means cutting spending,we have to cut spending.
Or both.
That's what Bill Clinton did,and that's why I wrote my book
(26:32):
called Finding the Third Way.
That was his third way.
SPEAKER_00 (26:37):
And that's always the foundation of open-minded
well uh ability and willingnessto listen and to look at
solutions like Lanny justdescribed, as opposed to
personal uplifting andglorification, which too many
today seem to want to exist.
You know, it's uh matter of howmuch can I do for the person who
gave me this job as opposed tohow much time can I get on pick
(26:59):
the media of your choice.
Again, the book is Finding theThird Way.
He talks about uh throughpersonal experience.
This isn't theory or studies orresearch, it's through personal
experience and observations ofhow there lies before us answers
and opportunities for astronger, better population as
(27:20):
opposed to politicians.
You can also learn more aboutLanny's life and world at
LannyJDavis.com.
Lanny, it's always an educationspeaking with you.
Look forward to your upcomingcolumns.
I know they will additionally beeducational.
Thanks for being here today.
SPEAKER_03 (27:35):
Can I add a personal comment before you hang up
because I'm a Jersey city boyand I'm a great fan.
SPEAKER_00 (27:41):
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When the HIV virus first came topeople's attention, the
reactions ranged from fear todismissal.
Today, mention the HIV virus andthe reaction of the menu will be
right from fear to dismissal.
The truth and reality actuallyexists in the middle.
(28:04):
That's one of the purposes ofNational HIV testing day, which
is coming up on Saturday, June27th, joining us to discuss the
efforts of CVS Pharmacies tohelp people gain the information
and care that they need.
(28:24):
Christopher Hooper.
Thanks for being here today,guys.
SPEAKER_06 (28:28):
Thank you for having us.
SPEAKER_00 (28:29):
And learn more about CVS Pharmacies and what they are
providing at CVShealth.com.
And for you listening, let meplace some numbers in your front
of mind for you to betterunderstand.
At last estimate, 1.2 millionAmericans are living with HIV,
38,000 new diagnosis every year.
(28:50):
And as far as the impact, itdepends on race for black and
African American individuals.
Make up about 12% of thepopulation, represent 38% of new
infections, as an example.
So so Helen, like I referred toin the in the introduction,
people without knowledge won'tknow the path to take as far as
(29:11):
either prevention or dealingwith it.
What's CVS doing to help bringthat awareness up to where it
needs to be?
SPEAKER_06 (29:20):
At CVS specialty, um I'm always informing my patients
about prevention.
So in getting tested.
So the first step then in HIV orknowing your your diagnosis.
So we want people to get tested.
(30:09):
They start a medication for 28days to prevent.
And I tell them at that time,you know, um you can get on if
you think this is going to beongoing.
There's medications that you cantake daily.
And there's also a long actininjectable that you can take um
that they can administer toprevent once you're um if you're
(30:32):
negative.
So that's what that is alwayswhat I tell them, especially a
person that comes in as uh uhexposed that's been exposed to.
SPEAKER_00 (30:43):
That's certainly important too, as I said back in
the introduction.
The key is understanding thatyou can live a life, not limit
your life when you have thediagnosis.
And Christopher, take us back tothat day when you were diagnosed
and what first went through yourmind when when the when you
learned that.
SPEAKER_01 (30:59):
Um Well, I was diagnosed back in 1992, so the
atmosphere was completelydifferent uh in regards to HIV.
Um there was a ton of stigmagoing on, a lot of fear, um, and
you know, everyone was talkingabout it, and so the day that I
found out, um everything changedat that moment.
(31:22):
The best they could tell meafter my diagnosis um was that I
was positive and that maybe Ihad two years to live.
So, you know, I was a collegestudent at the time and
everything just becamecompletely different.
And so from that moment on, um Icompartmentalized it.
Um I searched for trials to umget on medications which were
(31:46):
not the same as they are today.
Um there was a lot of uh sideeffects and not even sure how at
that time they weren't even surehow well they were gonna work or
how what the long term was gonnabe for those.
And so I kept that whole thing asecret for 30 years.
And then um when U equals U cameout, um the CDC declared U
(32:08):
equals U, which meansundetectable means
untransmittable.
And uh that's really powerful.
It means if you're s you stay onyour medications and you take
them regularly, you do yourblood work, um, and you keep
your viral load count down, youcannot transmit the disease.
At that moment, that was reallythe groundbreaking moment for me
(32:31):
to um kind of alleviate 30 yearsof of that secret and um a lot
of the shame and the stigma.
And then after that I've startedtalking about my HIV diagnosis
and build a support team.
SPEAKER_00 (32:45):
And what you just described too, Christopher, is
important for someone listening.
When you get diagnosed, if youget diagnosed with HIV, take
action.
Just don't just don't stopliving.
There there are choices, thereare options far more now than
there were certainly in 1992.
But even back in the in theancient days, as far as HIV
(33:05):
research and and and medicalcare was concerned, be
proactive.
Take actions and learn as muchas you can about what what
possibilities exist for for a aprolonged and a and a regular
life as opposed to a limitedlife.
SPEAKER_01 (33:22):
Yeah, that's I mean that's very true.
I mean, I I take one pill a dayevery morning with my vitamin,
um, and that's how I manage mycare uh with HIV.
I take more uh medications formy high blood pressure than I do
for HIV at this point, um at at56 years old.
(33:43):
So um uh, you know, it's it itis definitely not the end of the
world anymore.
Um it is uh something that'smanageable and um that you can
control.
And so, you know, just be awareof it.
And it's of course reallyimportant for you to get on that
medication as early as possible.
So if you are diagnosed, uh makesure you get on that and keep
(34:06):
your viral your viral load countdown.
SPEAKER_00 (34:09):
So CVS specialty pharmacist Helen Ever, along
with CVS specialty patient, whois also, as you've heard, living
with HIV Christopher Hooper.
National HIV testing day came upon Saturday, June 27th.
You can learn more about CVS'swork on this.
CVShealth.com found this statstoo that out of those, I
mentioned some numbers before,there are those who are
(34:31):
diagnosed with HIV.
There there's about one out ofseven that do not know that they
have it.
So talk about the testingprocess, Helen.
What does it involve?
And because people hear medicaltesting and instantly the the
curl up and say, uh no, buttesting is testing is a good
thing, as we like to say.
SPEAKER_06 (34:54):
It is a good thing.
It's um it's easy to you cantalk to your provider, you can
go where there are CVS MinuteClinics, you can check with the
CVS Minute Clinic for testingyour uh public and um so your
state and your local local umagencies, but I would probably
(35:17):
you could start with yourprovider uh for testing.
Testing is the you can also umbuy uh you can buy uh tests at
CVS.
So there is an oral test if youwant to if you want privacy.
Um but there are so many optionsfor testing, but we want people
(35:39):
to get tested is we know that umto prevent the transmission you
have to know if you have thedisease first.
SPEAKER_00 (35:49):
And without a doubt, and to to also think long term
as far as like Christopher wassaying, Helen, to know what
there is out there as far asoptions and opportunities to
once if you are diagnosed withHIV, to take those steps to make
sure your life is is staying asstrong and on the direction you
(36:12):
want it to.
Last one last question for forChristopher.
For the person listening rightnow, if they're one of those one
out of seven who might have itand they're thinking their
lifestyle, whatever it may be,might have made them prone to
the virus.
Talk to that person right now.
SPEAKER_01 (36:32):
Um I think I think it's important to know these
days that this is a virus.
And so, you know, it's importantto um be responsible.
Um, you know, we just got overthe COVID moment, and so, you
know, there's lots of thingsthat can that can be done um as
(36:52):
far as vaccines and uh withCOVID, but at the same time, you
know, just be responsible, Ithink, um, about your own uh
condition.
You just gotta know if you'repositive or not.
I think if you think about itthis way, if you um if everybody
that is positive currently um ison medication and becomes
(37:13):
undetectable and cannot transmitthe disease, and then everybody
that has it um tests it, testsand then gets on medication, we
can eliminate HIV as a whole.
And I think I think that's thegoal.
SPEAKER_06 (37:27):
And if I want to interject also, Chris, is if you
think that you're at risk, thereis also medication now that you
can take to prevent.
So if you think that you'regonna have um um continuing risk
factors, you can go on prep.
And that's also a daily pill oruh long-acting injectable
(37:50):
medication.
So depending on your risk, youmay want to take something to
prevent it as well.
SPEAKER_00 (38:01):
Talk to your medical provider if you have not, and
use this day as the motivationto change that not into a do,
and to learn more about CVS andwhat they provide and they're
testing their guidance fromsupplies, medications,
CVSHealth.com.
We've been talking with CVSspecialty pharmacist Helen
Everett, or with a CVS specialtypatient who is living very
(38:22):
strongly and well in spite ofHIV, not with HIV, Christopher
Hooper.
Thanks for the education youbrought to all of us today.
Thanks for being here.
SPEAKER_06 (38:32):
Thank you.
Thank you.
SPEAKER_00 (38:35):
So much of our financial life going digital has
certainly proven to be a greatconvenience, but at the same
time it's brought about greatrisks if you don't keep your eye
on things.
Do you think you're tech savvyenough that online thieves
won't, you know, whack you?
Well, guess what?
There are cyber thieves using AIas a weapon out there that are
more tech savvy and work fasterthan you can watch out for.
(38:59):
Information, awareness, that isdefinitely what you need to
avoid an online financialdisaster.
And my next guest joins us toride you with exactly that.
He's a cybersecurity expert,chief security officer of
Coinbase, Jeff Lungelhofer.
How are you today, Jeff?
SPEAKER_02 (39:14):
I'm great.
Thanks so much for having me,Chris.
SPEAKER_00 (39:16):
Learn more about Coinbase and get more
information at Coinbase.com andforward slash blog.
I know we make jokes about thisout of the past, but you know,
it used to be very blatant cyberattacks, you know, the the
infamous Nigerian Prince emails,but by and large, I think we
became a lot more text-avvy, anda lot of the attacks became
(39:37):
crystal clear.
How clandestine are these AIattacks?
SPEAKER_02 (39:42):
Yeah, you you nailed it, Chris.
Um, you know, AI, artificialintelligence is supercharging
scams beyond anything that we'veseen in the past.
So like those things are thegeneric, the obvious stuff with
the grammar and the Nigerianprincess, forget it.
That's history.
Now what we're seeing are verytargeted, customized scams that
are specifically targeting,like, Chris, you, like your job,
(40:06):
your interests, your background.
And the and the really crazything is that with the tweets
that these scammers are usingthe artificial intelligence, it
doesn't take days to set up thatscam.
They can literally execute ascam like that with the click of
a mouse button.
SPEAKER_00 (40:21):
Yeah, I've used some of the AI software.
I'm not going to say what orwhere I found it, but literally
with three to five seconds of avoice, you could create a person
that could hold a conversation,make a pitch, because that's
something else that is a newattack, is these are verbal
attacks that are happening.
They are these aren't text inmessages or emails.
SPEAKER_02 (40:43):
That's right.
And then they feel, to yourpoint, totally real, right?
And it may be somebody that youpersonally know, their voice, or
even, Chris, even forget thevoice, it might be a video of
that person and the voice on aWhatsApp or a Telegram or one of
those video apps that you can,you know, that you can uh see
the person.
And and you're gonna noticethough, the commonality between
(41:03):
all these scams is reduced towhat they sound like, what they
look like, there's gonna be thatsense of urgency that because
you gotta do it now, you gottado it now.
And your best defense as a asthe recipient of a scam like
that is when you start to feelthat pressure, that oh, they're
now talking about money.
They want me to send money, theywant me to do something.
Take a breath, slow down, hangup the phone, and verify before
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you act.
SPEAKER_00 (41:31):
Typically, when there used to be phone scams, I
always told people, if you don'trecognize the number, don't
answer, because even if youanswer and hang up, that tells
the scammer the number isactive, it's worth something,
they'll sell it to anotherscammer.
How how frequent do these do wehave an understanding how
frequent these AI-driven scamscome after you?
Do they just come after you overand over and over again and
(41:52):
attempt to break you, or theyjust catch a catch on, okay,
this is a dead fish and move on?
SPEAKER_02 (41:58):
Oh, I I I would suspect that somewhere between
70 and 80 percent of Americanswill be the target of a scam
every single year.
And I can tell you personally,Chris, my phone, personally, um,
I have to block all unknownnumbers on my phone because it
will literally ring all day,every single day.
And and here's an important tip: if you do get on that phone, if (42:16):
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you do answer, and it's afinancial institution that's
calling you, step one, hang upthe phone.
Immediately hang up the phone.
Then what I want you to do is goto the website of that company
directly.
Don't search for it, go directlyto the website, get in your
browser, get the absolute phonenumber, and you call them.
(42:40):
Anytime anyone calls you, askingfor sensitive information,
asking for money, your very bestdefense is hanging up that
phone.
SPEAKER_00 (42:49):
Is that the main thing these AI scammers are
after, the money, or are theylooking for access to your
money, such as crypto or uhinvestment accounts or things
like that?
SPEAKER_02 (43:01):
Well, the end result is always the same, Chris.
So if they're asking you forsensitive information,
passwords, uh codes, things likethat.
They're only doing that for onereason.
It's so they can get access toyour hard-earned money.
So generally speaking, money isalways the goal when it comes to
scams.
SPEAKER_00 (43:18):
It's not like the email scams where depending on
your browser, you could holdover hold the cursor over a
link, for example, and you'd seeBankofamerica.com, but then
you'd see a little pop-up windowthat would have this totally
long, totally different, usuallybased in a foreign country URL.
So those days you could kind ofclue yourself in and learn as
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you go and protect yourself.
What kind of defense is outthere right now for these games
other than common sense?
But then again, you're trying tohave common sense uh against a
scheme that's trying to causeyou to panic.
SPEAKER_02 (43:54):
That's right.
Absolutely right.
So a couple of tips that I wantto give to everybody out there.
One, remember And if in asituation asking you for money,
(44:44):
hey, I'm going to hang up andcall you back and B let the code
work.
That lets you authenticate thatperson a bit so that you know
you're talking with a legitimatemember of your family.
You're not talking to artificialintelligence.
SPEAKER_00 (44:57):
That's a brilliant idea, too.
I was thinking for all of yourfinancial matters, because you
know, phones are relativelyinexpensive versus back in the
day, to have a phone numberdedicated for just your
financial aspects so that wayyou're narrowing the signal
you're putting out with it witha phone that you're using for
pretty important business.
SPEAKER_02 (45:17):
Yeah, Chris, I would actually add one to that.
So having a dedicated phone andphone number is great, but
here's a really important one aswell.
Have a dedicated email that youuse, a dedicated Gmail account
or some other email account, butisn't the one that you use every
single day.
And why is that one of the toptargets of a space is your
email?
(45:38):
Because if you access youremail, think about this for a
minute.
Every email that is received, itis a sense of your reason, it is
a famous use of business with.
It is a big line of information,and it can use, once again,
artificial intelligence to mineall that information to create
an incredibly believable scamthat targets you specifically.
(46:01):
So using that dedicated emailfor financials is just as
important as a dedicated phone.
That's a great tip.
SPEAKER_00 (46:07):
And certainly too.
All it takes is one email to oneof your financial aspects, and
the scammer is they've got you.
They don't even need to bothercracking into the database of
the financial institute.
If you're not careful, you justopen the door and let them let
them walk in.
And to learn more about theseideas as well as the services of
Coinbase, which is really againanother secure way of protecting
(46:31):
your financial aspects and doingsome wise choices and decisions
in your financial financial lifeat Coinbase.com.
And they keep you updated toowith the latest information
about what we talk about here,other things at the oversee at
Coinbase.com forward slash blog.
We've been talking withCybersecurity Expert, Chief
Security Officer of Coinbase,Jeff Lungeloffer.
(46:54):
Jeff, thanks for the wake-upcall, and hopefully a lot of
people will become a lot moreaware of what they're being
bombarded with and be a lot morecautious.
Thanks again.
SPEAKER_02 (47:03):
Thanks so much for having me, Chris.
SPEAKER_00 (47:06):
Today is Father's Day.
Bible teaches a great deal aboutfatherhood.
These lessons include who afather is required to be, the
respect his children are to showhim, and guidance for doing
what's right for their children.
Considering all the books whichhave been written, claiming to
offer help for fathers,especially first time dads,
God's word is and will always bethe best resource for the truth.
(47:28):
So let's explore some of this.
There's no need to be confusedor spend months looking for
guidance when you learn you'reabout to become a father.
All you need to do is look toour Father for the wisdom and
direction that will make you agreat dad.
Jesus in Matthew chapter six,verses thirty one and thirty-two
tells how God the Father providefor us as you should for your
child.
(47:48):
Therefore do not worry, say whatshall we eat, or what shall we
drink, or what shall we wear forafter all these things the
Gentiles seek, for your heavenlyFather knows that you need all
these things.
Fathers are to be teachers andguides for their children, so
they grow up right as well asrighteous.
There's no such thing asautopilot fathering.
(48:09):
Here's how this is explained inIsaiah sixty four, verse eight.
But now, O Lord, you are ourfather, we are the clay, and you
are our potter, and all we arethe work of your hand.
In Matthew chapter six, versetwenty six, Jesus teaches how
Father God feeds and shows lovefor his children, as all fathers
should.
Jesus speaking, look at thebirds of the air, for they
(48:32):
neither sow nor reap nor gatherinto barns, yet your heavenly
father feeds them, are you notof more value than they?
A good and godly father neverholds a grudge when the child
does wrong.
Of course, discipline is acrucial part of being a father,
but it must also come withforgiveness.
Paul writes this in Ephesianschapter six verse four.
(48:53):
And you fathers do not provokeyour children to wrath, but
bring them up in the trainingand admonition of the Lord.
Proverbs chapter nineteen, verseeighteen teaches the importance
of discipline.
Chasten your son while there ishope, and do not set your heart
on his destruction.
Which of course means spiritualdestruction.
As I mentioned, there are twoparts to correcting a child,
(49:14):
with the second beingforgiveness, allowing anger to
take root is allowing Satan togain strength and home.
Going back to Ephesians, here iswhat Paul tells us in Ephesians
chapter four, verses thirty andthirty-one.
And do not grieve the HolySpirit of God, by whom you were
sealed for the day ofredemption.
Let all bitterness, wrath,anger, clamor, and evil speaking
(49:35):
be put away from you with allmalice.
Then the very next verse givesus insight into what will
prevent that anger from takingroot and ensure that we won't
grieve the Holy Spirit.
And be kind to one another,tender hearted, forgiving one
another, even as God in Christforgave you.
It's always a blessing to seehow fast God and His chosen get
(49:56):
to the point.
Isn't that the truth?
If only the same could be saidabout many people we have to
deal in the earthly world.
Listen to how all this isexplained in Proverbs chapter
ten, verse twelve.
Hatred stirs up strife, but lovecovers all sins.
(50:18):
Consequences of that ispresented in Colossians chapter
three, verse twenty-one, and Ihope they're unwanted by you.
Fathers do not provoke yourchildren lest they become
discouraged.
Father's Day, just as it is withany one day designated for a
special purpose or cause, isdesigned to remind us that the
love and respect we show ourfathers today is expected of us
(50:41):
by God to be shown to ourfathers every day.
This is so important to God, Hemade it a part of the Ten
Commandments that he gave toMoses.
As you hopefully recall, firstfour commandments tell how we
are to worship God.
Then the very first after thatinstructs us to be good children
for our parents.
We find this in Exodus chaptertwenty, verse twelve.
(51:03):
Honor your father and yourmother that your days may be
long upon the land which theLord your God is giving you.
Yes, there's more that Godexpects of you as children of
your parents.
You are to honor your father andmother with the way that you
carry yourself.
Let's go to Proverbs twenty,verse eleven.
Even a child is known by hisdeeds, whether what he does is
pure and right.
(51:24):
Having a godly father on earthas we have a godly father in
heaven, when we walk right,think right, and live right, we
bring joy to both.
As told to us in third Johnchapter one, verse four, I have
no greater joy than to hear thatmy children walk in truth.
So on this Father's day I say toall dads that when you follow
God's instructions, Fatherhoodwill bring to you all the joys
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that it contains.
For all children, I say to you,that we're looked at by God as
precious gifts to our father andmother.
So don't live as if you camewrapped in a dirty, stained
paper.
Live according to the Word ofGod, honoring the
responsibilities He's given toyou, so your father and mother
will always see you as a bright,vibrant, spectacular gift.
(52:10):
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