January 8, 2025 • 47 mins
What happens when 13 inches of snow and HR chaos collide? Our latest episode of Jaded HR takes you on a hilarious ride through the unexpected mess of Snowmageddon, complete with a local weather forecaster's snow angel antics and our own technical mishaps. We reflect on the serenity of unexpectedly quiet nights and the slippery adventures of family visits through blizzard conditions. We also pause to extend our heartfelt gratitude to our listeners, with a special nod to Dustin Stoll for his stellar review, promising to show more love to our audience's feedback.
Ever wonder how pop culture mirrors the HR world? We kick off a new segment by dissecting HR lessons from "The Office," mixing humor with insight as we unravel how pop culture often mimics and sometimes misunderstands our industry. As we look back on 2024, we share personal milestones and stories, including the joys of family additions and professional challenges. Our conversation takes a nostalgic turn as we reminisce about the perks of late 90s and early 2000s corporate campuses, contrasting them with the rise of remote work and its impact on workplace camaraderie.
With a nod to the evolving workplace, we explore the benefits and challenges of both remote and in-office environments, highlighting the importance of personal interactions and flexibility. From the mentoring opportunities lost in remote settings to the accommodating nature of working from home during life events, we explore how strong bonds with colleagues can make even the toughest jobs more bearable. We top it all off with a heartfelt thank you to our Patreon supporters and contributors, who keep the Jaded HR journey rolling along with humor, nostalgia, and a fresh perspective on the HR landscape.
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Andrew Quilpa (00:02):
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that the podcast you are aboutto listen to could contain
explicit language and offensivecontent.
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present or future employers.
If you have ever heard mymanager is unfair to me.
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up my employee for crying toomuch?
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Welcome to Jaded HR.
Warren (00:42):
So, anyways, let's take two Welcome to J hr to podcast
by two hr professionals who helpyou get through the workday by
saying everything you'rethinking, but say it out loud.
I'm warren I'm cc all right, sothis is take two you're.
We had a little technicaldifficulty, so yeah, we're back
(01:05):
and it's 2025 in.
April We'll be starting ourseason five, a year five, so
that's going to be reallyexciting for us.
So yeah, before technicalwonderfulness happened, we were
talking about Snowmageddon andyou making it through that.
Cee Cee (01:27):
Do you think that's what made this fall apart?
Was the Snowmageddon?
I'm starting to think Exactly.
Also, I'm starting to believeMercury in retrograde.
Is it in retrograde?
What's going on?
Because I woke up this morninglike my husband's complete work
station was not working Things,just his keyboard wasn't working
, this wasn't working whatever,and then he was like, trying to
(01:49):
fix that, like all the batterieswent out all of a sudden in the
house.
I'm like is something happeningwith?
Is it retrograde or is it just2025?
Like, where are we?
What is happening?
Warren (02:03):
oh, I don't know.
I I haven't had any knock onwood bad luck in 2025 yet, but
I'm with me.
I'm just a time bomb waiting togo off with some bad luck
somewhere.
Cee Cee (02:17):
So I just you know I'm over the new year.
Let's just go for a, a slightlyused, like reasonably good
shape old year.
Like I'll take a 1998 all overagain.
That was pretty fun, like let'sjust no but, yeah, snowmageddon,
so we had like 13 inches ofsnow, which is very not, it's
(02:37):
not normal for us.
But yeah, we were snowed in fora little bit.
The baby actually slept at myparents' place and because
they're like the daycare andthey're like we don't know how
the roads are going to be, sojust leave her here.
And that was fantastic, cause Idon't remember a night, oh,
yeah, yeah, I'll wait.
Yeah, thanks, but yeah, like itwas just, it was wonderful, and
(02:59):
I don't know.
I there's like this clip goingaround the internet.
I don't know if it went, quoteunquote, viral, but it's been
going around.
It's our local weather guy andhe has lost his mind, like while
doing the newscasting.
Like at the end of it he's justmaking snow angels and it is.
It is like chef's kiss of howwe were just dealing with
snowmageddon.
Warren (03:21):
Oh, that's funny.
So, yeah, we got oursnowmageddon too.
It it flurried for probablyfive minutes and and it was done
.
Uh, and the funny thing is Iwent to take out some garbage
and I noticed, oh wow, it'ssnowing.
And you know, you reallycouldn't see it too well.
If you looked up in the lightyou could see you know it a
little bit better.
(03:41):
And then you, you look at likewe have our patio furniture
covered with a black cover andso you could see the snow on
that.
I was like, oh cool, it'ssnowing.
And I said, you know what, I'mgoing to go take the garbage to
the curb before before it getsany worse or anything like that.
By the time I got back from thecurb it was done, our snow, our
(04:02):
snow had stopped and we, wewere done and I was perfectly
happy with that.
And yeah, so I was.
Yeah, I would like some snow,just not on a day or time I have
to drive and right now my sonlives in.
It goes to college out in themountains in North Carolina.
It's been snowing like threedays in a row out there and I
think yesterday they got sixinches and then it's supposed to
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not snow again the rest of thisweek until friday, which, but
on friday and saturday it'ssupposed to snow again and
that's when we have to take himhome or take him back, so it's
normally a 13 hour drive to gethim there and back.
I'm anticipating this is goingto be like a.
This might require a hotel tripsomewhere along the way back
(04:48):
North Carolina.
We don't.
We aren't prepared for snow.
I don't think my county has itsown snow vehicles period or
anything like that.
So yeah, that's it, that's good.
That's good.
So let's see.
I want to.
Before we get too far, I want toget caught up on a couple
things, and first, I am a verybad person.
(05:10):
I have not been checking ourApple reviews in forever, and I
was looking the other night andI noticed there's one that I
missed from October.
So Dustin Stoll, who left us afive-star review on Apple
Podcasts.
He wrote HR conversations tomake the world go round.
(05:32):
I need to do research onpodcasts for my marketing class.
I came across this during myresearch.
I find this podcastinformational and educational.
This is precisely what I needas an HR major to become as a HR
major, because, after workingin the field for a while, I am
jaded, so it helped me very much.
(05:54):
So, dustin, sorry it took us solong to read your review.
I I'm going to try and read thereviews much more frequently.
So if you'd like to give us areview on any of the platforms,
especially Apple's that helps usgrow, go ahead and do so and
we'll read it on the air.
So yeah, I'm just so sorry Imissed that that review but also
(06:19):
it's time for me to to eat alittle crow.
In the last episode about theOhio State Disappointed I
apparently spread somemisinformation.
I even said in the episode Ididn't read the whole article.
I have the TLDR type of mindsetADD TLDR, it doesn't matter.
(06:41):
So apparently the Ohio StateUniversity employees did not get
their second increase.
They got the first increaseback in July, but they were
informed that they would begetting this second one, so they
didn't actually get it, but itstill doesn't change the fact
that they got screwed in theprocess and my feelings still
(07:02):
remain the same.
You tell me I'm getting anincrease and then you take it
away from me because you don'thave to give it to me anymore.
No, sorry, still still going toleave you.
Cee Cee (07:11):
I don't believe anything until it happens,
especially with pay andpromotions.
You can tell me until you'reblue in the face that something
is coming.
Something is coming.
Face that something is coming,something is coming.
But I feel like I've beenaround the block one too many
times.
To know that something iscoming is squat until it
actually happens.
Warren (07:34):
Yeah, in my company we had like five or six people that
this would have applied to andwe had a game plan in place what
we're going to do for each ofthem.
Some would get the bump toremain exempt and others would
get their normal annual increaseat the beginning of the year
and then just go to non-exempt.
And we, we had a game plan foreverybody.
(07:54):
And, uh, even the week beforethis happened, we said, okay, it
looks like the nothing's gonnahappen to stop this from
happening.
So we'll, uh, uh and we're like, okay, fine, and of course it
does happen.
So, uh, you know, even if youhave thousands of employees like
ohio state, you don't have totake immediate action all the
(08:17):
time you can.
You can figure this out.
I don't know, but I still thinkthat I still think from what I
know and didn't read everything,I still think the situation
seemed to be handled prettypoorly.
So I did want to put it outthere that I had spread some
misinformation apparently.
So I halfway read anotherarticle which set me straight.
Cee Cee (08:40):
Well, thank you for the clarification, but it doesn't
change our final verdict asshitty.
Warren (08:48):
Exactly, I like it.
I like it.
So we've been teasing for well.
Actually, before we get there,wanted to wrap up the must
listen to podcast list that we,you know, we had Mike Coffey
from Good Morning HR.
We had the game from CorporatePizza Party.
We had Jamie from HR Besties.
(09:09):
I was trying to get two others.
I'll go ahead and say that Iwas trying to get Kyle from
Rebel HR and also Eileen andGlenda from Serping Corporate.
My schedule just went sidewaysand it just became harder for me
to try and get those schedule.
But those other podcasts aredefinitely in our must listen to
(09:31):
HR podcast lists as well.
But oh well, speaking of mustlisten to podcasts, we got
ranked for 2025 by Buzzfeed,which is absolute garbage, but
it's still.
It's still, yeah, the 20 number21 must listen to a hr podcast.
I don't know what we were lastyear, but we're 21 this year out
(09:55):
out of I don't know how manythere are.
There's 22.
There's only 20, but we got 21on that list.
Yeah, it's garbage.
Buzzfeed sucks.
They list some podcasts whicharen't in publication anymore.
I think one of the years wewere listed on it, it even gave
(10:20):
it even gave completely wrongnames of the hosts.
I don't know if it was me andFeathers at the time, but it
didn't have either of our namescorrect.
But this time our names were atleast correct on it.
So yay to that, for what thatis worth.
It basically sets you up formarketing, because they're
trying to sell your contactinformation and it's very
(10:40):
blatant, so I'll put the link inthe show notes.
Cee Cee (10:44):
A win is a win, man yeah.
Warren (10:48):
Excuse me.
Cee Cee (10:49):
After 2024,.
I'll take any win.
Warren (10:52):
Yeah, yeah, For me 2024 wasn't that bad looking back.
I mean, you know it wasn't a2020 or anything like that.
I think we're done with withthose type of things, hopefully
yeah, I can be honest like 2024.
Cee Cee (11:10):
Aside from like the weird stuff, things in my life
were pretty awesome.
I mean I had a baby like hello.
I mean that's pretty.
Yeah, like I can't top that.
So, yeah, like I'm no, yeah,like I I get cynical but at the
same time life is good.
I can't really complain.
Warren (11:28):
No, no, and you know, even professionally, I have a
hard time complaining.
You know I'm not getting asmuch ammunition for a jaded show
for my own work experiences asI used to get when I first
dreamed up the jaded HR conceptand things like that.
So it's a little bit differentthan having to rely on some of
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the news sources.
And actually, speaking of which, two things we didn't do in
2024 and one will never comeback is I don't think it'll ever
come back.
We didn't do the holiday song.
I think y'all have sufferedenough with my singing for the
first three years of doing that.
But we didn't talk about JohnHyman's end of the year list of
(12:13):
worst employers and you knowwhat?
I don't know whether to behappy or sad, but the contenders
there were no teenagers killedor anything like that.
I hate to say it that way.
There were no god-awful onesout there.
There were some bad ones.
So it was interesting.
(12:33):
But I did see he already hashis first contender for 2025.
I saw earlier today.
I don't know when it was posted, but hey, we're only a week in,
so somebody's doing somethingout there to try and make the
list for 25.
So yeah, so, fun stuff.
(12:54):
Well, now, I think, would be agood time for you to introduce
to everybody what we've beenteasing for a month or two about
what our new segment's going tobe.
So take it away.
Cee Cee (13:07):
Yeah, so I am a huge pop culture workplace comedy
connoisseur and it's always, Ithink this is kind of a passion
project of both of ours.
But we'll be having a segmentthat's basically HR lessons from
pop culture and, specifically,we're going to be focusing on
(13:29):
the greatest television show toever grace our presence, which
is the Office.
So Warren and I are going to bepicking select episodes the
classics if you will and we'llbe dissecting them, but then
looking at them from an HR lensand see what they got right and
what they kind of got very, verywrong.
(13:51):
But yeah, so we're going tostart off with the Office.
We might, you know, go intoother shows, like maybe Parks
and Recreation or other movieslike Office Space or stuff like
that.
So we're also open tosuggestions.
So you let us know what youwant to hear as well, or like
(14:11):
what you'd like us to dissectfrom that HR lens.
But yeah, like we're going downthe like I said, it's pop
culture through the lens of HR.
Warren (14:22):
I think that is just such an awesome idea.
I'm glad you brought it up.
If you, dear listener, havesuggestions, the show notes have
two ways to easily get in touchwith us.
One is a link that just sayssend us a text and that's
one-way communication.
And when you hit that button,the your text app will open on
(14:44):
your phone and it'll have likesix digits as your first number.
Don't delete those, becauseI'll never get it if you don't,
because that's how the hostingprovider sorts.
That six digit is our jaded hrcode.
It knows to send it to usversus any of their other shows.
So you can send us that way.
Plus, there's a 252 number inthe show notes as well, a phone
(15:07):
number you can just call.
You can leave us a voicemail.
It doesn't ring.
It's a Google voice number.
It doesn't ring anywhere.
I get a voicemail when someoneleaves a voice message, but you
could send a text or voicemessage there.
And yeah, that's two ways youcan send suggestions.
You have maybe a favoriteepisode of the Office or maybe
(15:27):
there's another show that youthink needs to be discussed that
has a great HR influence withit.
A Big Bang Theory comes to mind, because they always seem to be
ending up in Regina King'soffice as their HR manager.
Oh, that's right At some pointor another.
So, yeah, so it's funny.
(15:48):
There are some things we canpull out of there.
And, yeah, any workplacecomedies that you can think of
or maybe they're not comedies,maybe they're dramas, I don't
know, I watch mainly comedy.
So, yeah, I'm really lookingforward to this.
I think what we'll do is the,so the, these episodes, the
(16:08):
rewatch, if you will.
Episodes are going to be thethird episode of each month, so
this one is going to launchapproximately january 30th.
Uh, so, uh, uh, we'll do ourregular recording session every
two weeks and then this will bea special one.
And if you have an idea forwhat would be a good idea, let
(16:31):
us know.
If you're a member of Patreon, Ilet our Patreon community know
ahead of time.
They're special, they'respecial.
So they got to know this abouttwo weeks ago and Hallie gave it
a big heart.
And then Bill says awesome,looking forward to it and a new
year.
So, yeah, if you, if you joinus on Patreon, patreon has this
(16:51):
new feature where you can chatwith us and it's two way
communication.
So go ahead and support us onPatreon and you get to know a
little bit ahead of time what'sgoing on.
I think I've done two Patreononly episodes and then you can
chat with us and we'll respondto it.
Cee Cee (17:08):
So yay, you can also honestly feel free to slide into
my DMs as well.
I'm boozy B-O-O-Z-Y.
Underscore H-R yeah you canthere's a plethora of ways to
contact us, so jump on all ofthem.
Warren (17:24):
Your Instagram link is also in the show notes as well.
So, yeah, there's so many waysto reach us.
So, yeah, we really want to getsome feedback from you, our
loyal listeners.
I mean, we're coming up on fiveyears of Jaded HR.
It's so hard to believe that.
You know we're almost at fiveyears Wow, crazy.
(17:45):
But yeah, this will besomething good, this will be
something fun.
I'm really looking forward toit.
So, yay, I'm trying to think ofanything happening in I I.
I am not prepared.
I did not do any homework.
Obviously, I was telling youoff the air that I've been
talking for months, months,about my son and his search for
(18:06):
an internship.
Well, he's got his very firstever interview tomorrow.
So by the time this airs, youknow it'll be over.
I doubt he'll have an answer ornot, but he's got an internship
interview tomorrow with acompany in Fargo, north Dakota.
So I looked at the stats to seein Fargo, north Dakota.
So I looked at the stats to seewe do have probably a single
(18:28):
listener in Fargo, north Dakota.
How many Fargo?
I don't know how many episodes.
Yeah, yeah, I just told them tostay away from the wood
chippers.
Cee Cee (18:36):
I just pictured like this one person listening to our
podcast at their desk andthey're just like me, me.
Warren (18:45):
Yeah, we have.
They haven't listened to allthe episodes, but yeah, I just
looked up and we have.
We have a listener who'slistened to a few dozen episodes
up in Fargo.
Cee Cee (18:56):
Well, listen, fargo.
We have a back catalog.
You can listen to all of them.
Warren (19:00):
Exactly, exactly.
So yeah, I'm really excitedabout that.
We I've been doing practiceinterviews with him to the point
where he's just completelyannoyed with me.
And you know, he's a senior incollege, he's never even had a
job interview before or anythinglike that, so it's going to be
interesting.
(19:20):
So I'm excited for him.
I hope he's excited.
I hope it goes well, so yay.
Cee Cee (19:26):
I'm sure it will.
The first interview is alwaysnerve wracking.
Warren (19:31):
Yeah, yeah, and you know if, if he doesn't get it, I
mean it'll suck, but it's a goodinterview experience and you
know it is in Fargo.
You know he, he is veryinterested in going to Fargo.
So Every time we look to applyfor a job, there's been, you
know there's been places no,we're not going to go there or
(19:51):
anything like that.
But when he saw this one andwanted to apply, I'm like, okay,
yeah, we can, you know, checkit out and give it a shot.
And so this is so far the onlypositive response he's gotten.
But if know, anybody hiring ageography gis intern for summer
2025, let me know.
So, yeah, that's gonna be.
Cee Cee (20:10):
It's gonna be fun seeing the world through his
eyes yeah, things like that sooh, just think, in like 18 years
I'll be hopefully sending mineoff to college and then maybe
that helping her get her new joband then her being like oh mom
god, leave me alone.
Warren (20:29):
That's not how they do it, leave me alone, mom that's
not how they do it now okay, see, the thing is with my daughter.
She was much more open to mysuggestions.
Maybe she's just nicer andsweeter and won't tell me to go
F myself.
My son is very prone to leaveme alone.
Dad, get away, I'm tired.
Okay, you've had your fun.
(20:51):
I played your littleinterviewing game with you.
Let's, let's move on.
But my daughter was more intoit and things like that, and so,
yes, that'll be.
That'll be interesting to seehow that.
But the world of HR, what hashappened since the new year?
I can't, really I can't.
Cee Cee (21:13):
The only thing I can think of is, like, personally in
my world, it's just, we are intalent calibrations and I know a
lot of companies are goingthrough performance reviews
right now, or at least doingtheir annual evaluations.
So so, yeah, like best of luckto you all.
I'm very fortunate to have abunch of really great HR, like
(21:35):
an HR business partner team thatsupports it.
So, yeah, we're on schedule,we're on time and people will be
getting their reviews in acouple weeks and I am excited,
I'm glad that we can close the2024 chapter down.
And then, like this is howcrazy the year is for
performance management.
It's like we're not even donewith talent calibrations, let
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alone going into performancediscussions, and I had to have a
kickoff meeting today aboutgoal setting, because right
after annual goal setting, likeit just you know, it's just the
wheel, it just keeps going andit's already like I'm already
planning for February and I'mnot even seven days into January
.
Warren (22:18):
Yep.
Well, we're at the tail end,we're wrapping up.
All our performance reviewshave been done, completed, most
have been signed.
Employees are dragging theirfeet about signing and you know
the salary increases that wereproposed went into effect
January 4th for everybody, sothat's really exciting.
(22:40):
So, what I'm waiting for, though, is because I guarantee and I
can name the managers who didn'tdo a good job January, let's
say 10th, we get paid, but thatis the last pay of 2024.
And you're raising.
I'm already bracing myself fora dozen phone calls or more.
(23:02):
On the 10th, my raise wasn't inmy check, and I can tell you
the managers that weren't clearto let them know oh, this is a.
You'll see this.
It's effective January 4th.
You will see it on your January24th check.
I so I'm already bracing myselffor that.
Uh, and you know that's not theemployee's fault, that's a
(23:23):
manager fault who, like I said,90% of the people who call for
that question are going to be.
It's going to be because themanager didn't do their job
effectively, and the employeejust doesn't know.
And then the 10% weren'tlistening, or, when their
manager did, tell them it wasthe effective date.
So, yeah, it's going to be good,but I'm already starting.
(23:45):
You know, as soon as I launchmy review process, I create a
document in the postmortem, Icall it for the reviews and I
write down things that could bedone better.
We need change for next year,and I'm going to be going over
that later with my assistant,and Thursday we have our, our,
our meeting, our kickoff meetingfor 1095s with our our provider
(24:08):
on that.
So, yay, a lot of fun, uh,there, and yeah, it is so
cyclical and there's so muchgoing on right now.
You know it was nice that, likethe, the last week of, you know
, december, the first week, weekof January were somewhat slower
overall, but now it's likewe're got to get right back in
(24:30):
the saddle because here it comesagain.
Cee Cee (24:32):
Yeah, I went through that weird space in time where
it was like between Christmasand New Year's and it was just,
I think we were all in thistemporal time warp of just
insanity.
And now it's like coming backand you have to, like you know,
start running a new marathon.
It was this week's been alittle you know, just catching
up on the emails, just gettingmy ass kicked a little bit with
(24:54):
all the things I need to do.
Warren (24:57):
Yeah, yeah, it's you know, but I'm looking forward to
2025.
I think that you know.
Even the title of the show isjaded hr.
I'm I'm really optimistic, I'mlooking forward to it.
I I think that it's going to bea good year.
Cee Cee (25:15):
So yeah, oh, I don't think I told you this um.
2025 is going to be a fantasticyear, because it is the year I
turn 40.
Warren (25:27):
40.
40.
Yes.
Cee Cee (25:33):
I have mixed feelings about it.
It's fine, it's fun, it's a newera, it'll be good, but I'm
kind of excited about there yougo 2025.
The year I turn into a realadult 40.
Warren (25:46):
A real adult.
Oh, congrats.
Cee Cee (25:49):
Thank you, congratulations on that, yeah,
yeah.
Warren (25:53):
Does that officially make you an elder millennial or
are you like in the sweet spotof millennials?
Where does that fall in themillennial spectrum?
Cee Cee (26:02):
Oh, I've always been elder, because I think the
cutoff is 82, so I've alwaysbeen elder with that elder meant
millennials.
Okay, yeah, so yeah I am, I am,I am your elder I millennials,
uh or z's or whoever come, cometalk to me, I am.
I'll tell you about the daysbefore social media.
Warren (26:26):
Yeah, exactly.
Cee Cee (26:28):
And what an AOL room was.
Warren (26:31):
Ooh, hey, okay, Fun fact , I in 99-ish I hired the first
developer for the Mac version ofAOL Instant Messenger for AOL
and then, because he was theprogram manager for it, he ended
(26:52):
up knowing all these otherpeople could do Mac development
and I ended up hiring majorityof the team for the very first
version of maybe it was 98 forAOL Instant Messenger.
That was something really cool.
Going to the AOL I've never seena business campus before in
(27:14):
that realm and going to seecampus- oh, I miss the campus it
was so much like a collegiatecampus kids running around in
backpacks and even onskateboards and stuff among the
various buildings.
But when you got into a codingarea, imagine a large building
(27:35):
where when you get off theelevators other than the
elevators and the restrooms andthe pillars holding it up you
can see the entire floor of thebuilding from there and all you
hear is the click, click, click,click of keyboards and you know
the lights are not turned on inthe building and some people
have lamps and other things andit was just so weird going in.
(27:58):
I've never seen that type ofenvironment before.
I actually happened to be onthe AOL campus in Ashburn,
virginia, the day someone dumpedoff like three dump trucks full
of those AOL discs you used toget all the time.
Someone collected them and sentthem back to them.
I have to be there.
Like the day or day after thatgot delivered, I got to see the
(28:20):
piles of AOL discs that somebodyhad done there, that was pretty
cool.
So yeah, the 90s in NorthernVirginia, the IT boom was really
really cool.
Cee Cee (28:33):
And now when I see somebody who's still, did you
work for AOL?
Warren (28:38):
No, we were a contractor , a third-party recruiting firm,
and they were one of ourclients.
Cee Cee (28:44):
Oh, that's awesome.
I want to point out the factthat you hired the team that
basically created AOL InstantMessenger, and I feel like you
need some credit.
Warren (28:54):
Or Mac.
They already had it for PC.
Cee Cee (28:57):
Or PC for Mac.
So I feel like some creditshould go to you, because
Butterfly Effect if there wassome bad selections it wouldn't
have worked.
So I thank your recruiter,that's all I'm saying.
Warren (29:13):
Yep, that was my recruiting gig.
It was so funny back then.
The companies we work for andwhere they are now like AOL was
one of our clients, but like MCIWorldCom, which doesn't exist
anymore.
Remember, when you hadtelecommunications and you had
to pay for long distance andshit like that, mci WorldCom was
one of my clients.
(29:34):
I'm just trying to think of.
The only client that I think isstill around and doing very,
very well is MicroStrategy.
They were.
We were in Tyson's Corner,virginia.
They were literally around thecorner.
We used to call it the shoppingbag building.
If you've ever been to Tyson'sCorner, that's where
MicroStrategy was, at least inthe 90s, and now they're killing
(29:55):
it with the whole Bitcoin thing.
So, yeah, if I bought somestock in the 90s from them, I'd
be retired now probably.
But yeah, it's so interesting tothink of the clients I work
with and how, in the telecomindustry, none of them are
around anymore.
Aol is a shadow of what theyused to be.
Microstrategy is still around.
(30:16):
I can't think of any otherclients I service with IT and
people with government.
We had some government.
We placed some people likenorth of Grumman and places like
that, but so they're stillaround.
But yeah, it was really weird,really really cool, really
different and, yeah, fun stuff.
(30:36):
Back then Shoot it wastechnical recruiting, then was
shooting fish in a barrel.
I couldn't believe I wasgetting paid to do that and paid
well and making commission andall that.
It was a fun time.
Cee Cee (30:52):
That's awesome.
Warren (30:54):
Late 90s.
Cee Cee (30:56):
I also want to point out I think probably late 90s,
early 2000s was probably theprime time for a corporate
campus.
I worked on a corporate campusbefore everything just basically
got dismantled because of theway it is now.
But like, I love a campus and Ilike, if you give me a good
(31:18):
camp, so where I worked, like Iworked for the home office of
Luxottica and at and like it'shere in Cincinnati, and one of
the like, the really cool thingsis like we had an on-site gym.
We had what was it peopleservice that would come pick up
your clothes and drop it off thenext day.
We had a cafeteria and like Ithink the company put stipends
(31:41):
into it to basically lower thecost for us.
You could have like a reallycheap lunch.
That was really like, honestly,it was really decent.
There was walking trails, therewas, I mean, there is like all
this stuff that I'm like I'm sonostalgic for because it created
such a really fun culture.
I think we talked about thisbefore on the podcast.
(32:02):
Like I work with people who arein my wedding.
I was in people's, mycoworkers' weddings.
It was just such a fun time andI'm not sure if it's the campus
or just the nostalgia of beingearly career amongst a bunch of
other people who are earlycareer like you.
I can't put my finger on it.
Maybe it was a little bit ofboth, but I miss the campus and
(32:23):
I will die on it.
Hell, no, don't tell me.
I have to come to that campusevery single day and I can never
be late.
Like then we're going to haveproblems.
I will beat you up, like, but Iwould love a campus that I can
go to.
Warren (32:37):
My wife's company has a campus and it is.
It used to be really cool.
They did the same thing.
They had a employee gym.
My wife broke her leg in theemployee gym there and but they
they had a cafeteria.
At first the food was free andthen they made it like $3.
(32:58):
So $3 and their food was goodand they would even have like
seafood days where they wouldhave things like shrimp for $3
and their food was good and theywould even have like seafood
days where they would havethings like shrimp for $3 and
shrimp and fish and it wasreally good.
They had a hotel on theircampus.
They still do have a hotel, Ishould say, on their campus for
visitors and things like that.
They do training there, amongother things.
(33:21):
They actually have their ownairport on their campus, so it's
a really, really cool thing.
But now she goes to the officeevery other week for one day and
she's not even there for thefull day, unless she absolutely
has to or she decides I'm goingto hang out and talk with the
other people that are here,because she's not required to be
(33:44):
there.
She's actually removed all ofher personal belongings out of
her office, so her office lookspretty vacant now.
And then she says sometimes itmakes me feel sad, but sometimes
I'm like eh, don't care whenshe goes to her office and it's
completely empty, like it's noteven hers anymore.
So, yeah, I've never worked inthat environment, but I think it
(34:05):
would be a mix of being a youngprofessional and having all
those amenities right there foryou, like a gym, go out to lunch
with your friends, or maybeyou've been just going to go get
a snack.
Hey, let's, let's go get aparfait or something like that.
You know, let's take five, goget a parfait, snacks, pancakes,
(34:26):
whatever.
I think that there is somethingto being in that 20, the early
30-something and working with abunch of other 20 to
30-somethings in that type ofenvironment.
I think it would be pretty darnawesome.
Like I said, I never worked ona campus, but I can just see it
(34:46):
and know what other people haveexperienced, heard what other
people experienced.
I think that would be prettycool stuff.
But yeah, I don't know how muchyou have that anymore.
Cee Cee (34:56):
Yeah, it's not there.
But you know what?
Everything it's like a pendulum.
Everything swings in one way tothe extreme and then it swings
back into the other way.
I wouldn't be surprised in like10 years.
There's a resurgence of likereturning to the office full
time or something, becausewhatever, um, I don't know, I
(35:17):
don't know.
I I kind of see somethingcoming back.
I don't think it's gonna bethis remote forever unless you
take a remote job.
I think people hunger for ithonestly, because I think we're
just a social humans are socialbeings so there's only going to
be so much that people can takefrom video interactions that I
think we're going to see someamount of need and want from the
(35:41):
employee to have that physicalconnectedness again.
So I could be wrong, but that'swhat I predict.
Warren (35:49):
I agree, I absolutely agree.
I voluntarily have given up mywork from home day.
I can still do it if I want,but by the time, you know, for
my, I was only doing, I wasallowed to do it up to two days
a week.
I only did it once.
For my, I was only doing, I wasallowed to do it up to two days
a week, I only did it once.
And just you know, first wereproblems packing up the computer
(36:11):
, remembering the charge, orboth leaving office and coming
going back to the office andhaving to charge her.
You know, doing this it was andI feel so much more productive
in the office and I like I likethe interaction with the people
and half my day is people cominginto my office and I like I
like the interaction with thepeople and half my day is people
coming into my office andneeding a question answered or
having a problem that I cansolve, or something like that.
(36:33):
And when I'm not in the office,they're not calling me, they're
not chatting me, they're,they're not doing those things
as I.
Where we work, it's just hey,I'm going, hey, warren, can I
come in and ask you a quickquestion?
And that's how it works.
And so I decided, you know,when it's slow and I'm working
remote, it's almost painful,whereas if it's slow and I'm in
(36:57):
the office, hey, I can chit chatwith somebody.
I've got other things to do or,you know, I'll be there for
that person who has that one-offquestion or something like that
.
So I, like I said, I voluntarilygave up my work from home and
actually this is my first timein my office recording this.
(37:21):
Since what?
A month ago, when we lastrecorded an episode I've not
been up here for for anything.
So actually I had.
I came up a half hour beforeand turned the heat on, because
the heat hasn't been on up onthe side of the house, because I
don't, I don't use it.
So, yeah, I wanted to.
It's just different, it's just,it's just different, it's just
(37:44):
different.
So, yeah, yeah, socialinteraction is.
I still have friends withpeople I work with at that IT
company in Northern Virginia inthe 90s.
(38:06):
I'm still friends with a coupleof people from there and it's a
different environment.
I don't think you can have thatinteraction, that camaraderie,
working remote, because I thinkthe the people there and at
other places I've worked havebeen what makes it, you know,
special, if you will.
(38:26):
Yeah, this is so unjaded.
I know it's like Hallmark movietype thing, but no.
Cee Cee (38:33):
I always think, also, like working remotely, if you're
gonna do it a hundred percentof the time, I think it also
depends on where you are in life.
And I like, because I'mthinking like, okay, I think of
myself when I was new to careerand I didn't know, you know,
aside from a couple internships,there are certain things you
just don't know until you workin an office and you're actually
(38:56):
on a payroll, a lot of thosethings being those special
social things, and you know howyou interact with people.
I don't know if we, I don'tknow if we talked about it on
here, but I forget the numberbut there's a lot of Gen Z
getting terminated or firedbecause of a lack of performance
or just inappropriate behaviorsor stuff like that.
(39:19):
And I'm like, or stuff likethat, and I'm like, oh my God,
some like I think working in anoffice, early career with people
is so beneficial to youprofessionally.
Um, yeah, like I think that'sso necessary.
But then, on the flip side, I'mlike, I am so flippant.
Thank you, like, thankful, andI'm going to say I w I was very
(39:41):
privileged to be able to workfrom home while I was pregnant
and one like and returning towork after having a baby and
like that to me.
I mean, I can't imagine what itwould have been like to have to
commute 35, 40 minutes every day, um, without you know the
(40:02):
ability, like if I was hadmorning sickness I would have to
pull over the side of the roadand puke or all of like the
weird things, all of the weirdthings a woman's body does while
she's pregnant, like having tobe in a conference room and like
almost pee your pants orsomething like all those things.
I'm so happy I was able to workfrom home, remotely, and I
think there I think there'ssomething to be said about
(40:23):
meeting people where they are ina lot of the ways and giving
them space to be flexible.
Like if they need to work fromhome for a small season and
they're still able to do theirjob and do it well, let them, if
they want to come back to theoffice, create a space for them.
Like I don't know, there'ssomething to be said about being
a little flexible.
Warren (40:43):
Absolutely, and I think that's the best thing.
If you could have some sort oftrue hybrid hey, you're going to
work from in the office Because, especially early career, you
need some mentoring, you needsome development, you need
someone looking over yourshoulder every once in a while.
Hey, warren, instead of doingit this way, why don't you try
it this way or something likethat that you're not going to
(41:05):
get remotely?
And yeah, I understand thedata's there that people are
much more productive workingfrom home.
I know my wife says she's likedoes the job of two people now
that she's working from home andshe, she doesn't really mind
that as much.
But you, you know in her worldit works well.
(41:26):
For me it just didn't work outas well and I never got used to
it.
If I'd been doing it more thanyou know once a week or twice a
week or something like that Iprobably would have adapted
better.
But I never really got the fulladaptation to it and I was like
, yeah, I could take it or leaveit.
But I think, yeah, youngerprofessionals need that in their
(41:50):
life and I'm really surprisedthey don't want it more because
after, like, look at someone, mydaughter's age, she's 23.
She went through college,through all of COVID, and you
know her college experiencesucked.
That's heartbreaking, you knownot, not, not like you know mine
.
She went to East Carolina andshe didn't have the same are
like, yeah, I want to interactwith people and things like that
(42:13):
.
I don't know, maybe thesepeople interactions maybe will
(42:46):
lead to retention, as I know,I've stayed at more than one job
longer than I probably shouldhave.
Yeah, because I like the people.
Yeah, uh, the job was mad.
If it didn't suck, it was madat best and but I like my, my
co-workers, I like the people Iwas with.
So, hey, what the hell, I'llstick around to be with them and
yeah, so that's, I don't know.
I think that's a goodexperience.
(43:07):
Yeah, you have a.
But if you even have a suckyjob and you're with good people,
that makes it all the.
That makes all the differenceas well.
Cee Cee (43:16):
So no one can like.
There's something about a bondbetween people who have a
horrible work experience,whether or not it's the company
or whether or not it's the bossthey work for.
And it's so funny because Ihave like I have some team
members in my past who form ourcompany and we still have like a
(43:37):
chat going.
I got what is it just like atext, like group, and we still,
like at least once a week, arelike active in there.
I haven't worked with thesepeople in years, but we all
bonded over the fact that we hada nightmare boss.
Oh yeah.
Warren (44:00):
And but there's more of you.
Yeah, you might have a suckyboss, but there's more of you
than them.
And it's like, yeah, I thinkI've told the story before.
I worked one place where the HRmanager slash, director slash
whatever the title of the daywas they.
I was there six years, I think.
I had eight managers slash,directors, slash, whatever.
(44:21):
I think I had eight managersslash, directors, slash,
whatever.
And after a little while I wasjust and I'm in my early 30s and
I'm thinking, oh, let's see howlong this person lasts.
You know, I'll be here longerthan they are, that type of
thing.
And it was interesting.
You don't get those type ofexperiences without physically
being at work, being at work,and how the hell these new hr
(44:47):
people deal with all the, the,the poops, the poop happenings
if their, their employees aren'tI know they're, they're being
robbed of a critical thesepeople aren't able to clean up
poop in a, in a bathroom.
Cee Cee (44:55):
I mean, where are these stories going to come from one
day?
What you're going to tell?
An old war story about a meanIM someone sent you Please.
Warren (45:07):
Oh yeah, so anyway.
Well, even though we had noagenda going into today, I think
we've gotten this one prettyfar.
Next week we will have anagenda.
I'll do some homework Iactually think I've a, an idea
or two and then, of course,please listen to the episode.
On the 30th we'll bere-watching the office, I think,
(45:30):
next.
Next time we'll even go intowhat episode we're going to talk
about.
So if you want to watch it, uh,ahead of time, before the
episode drops, so you can becomemore familiar.
I know that's what I'm going tobe doing as we, as we plan our
episodes.
And please give us your feedback.
The show notes are just chockfull of ways to give us feedback
(45:50):
, including CeCe's.
Let us know what you'rethinking, what you'd like to see
, or any other stories you mighthave for the show, or your own
experiences.
We got text, numbers,everything like that.
So give us your feedback andalso leave a review.
I promise I won't take twomonths, like I did with Dustin's
review, and get those outsooner.
(46:15):
So leave us some reviews.
That's what's going to helppeople find us.
I think we're.
We've got like a 4.8 rating onApple podcasts, so please,
please, continue to check thatout.
I think we've got like a 4.8rating on Apple Podcasts.
So please, please, continue tocheck that out, and I know some
of the others are allowing youto give either thumbs up or
stars and things like that.
So, yeah, help us out that way.
Cee Cee (46:34):
Yeah, rate us.
It helps us in the algorithms.
Warren (46:39):
Yeah, the algorithms, the algorithms, yeah.
Cee Cee (46:40):
The algorithms.
The algorithms.
Warren (46:44):
Yeah, so let's go ahead and land the plane, thanking our
Patreon supporters.
I know I mentioned them earlier, but Cece, excuse me, but
Hallie, the original Jaded HRrock star, bill and Mike, thank
you very much.
You can join us on Patreon oryou can chat with us there,
message us there as well.
So thank you very much to them.
(47:05):
Also, thank you to Andrew Kolpa, who does the voice artist work
in the intro, and the intro andoutro music is Double, with the
Double by the UnderscoreOrchestra, and so, with all that
said, as always, I'm Warren.
Cee Cee (47:19):
I'm Cece.
Warren (47:22):
And we're here helping you survive.
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So, anyways, let's take two Welcome to J hr to podcast
by two hr professionals who helpyou get through the workday by
saying everything you'rethinking, but say it out loud.
I'm warren I'm cc all right, sothis is take two you're.
We had a little technicaldifficulty, so yeah, we're back
(01:05):
and it's 2025 in.
April We'll be starting ourseason five, a year five, so
that's going to be reallyexciting for us.
So yeah, before technicalwonderfulness happened, we were
talking about Snowmageddon andyou making it through that.
Cee Cee (01:27):
Do you think that's what made this fall apart?
Was the Snowmageddon?
I'm starting to think Exactly.
Also, I'm starting to believeMercury in retrograde.
Is it in retrograde?
What's going on?
Because I woke up this morninglike my husband's complete work
station was not working Things,just his keyboard wasn't working
, this wasn't working whatever,and then he was like, trying to
(01:49):
fix that, like all the batterieswent out all of a sudden in the
house.
I'm like is something happeningwith?
Is it retrograde or is it just2025?
Like, where are we?
What is happening?
Warren (02:03):
oh, I don't know.
I I haven't had any knock onwood bad luck in 2025 yet, but
I'm with me.
I'm just a time bomb waiting togo off with some bad luck
somewhere.
Cee Cee (02:17):
So I just you know I'm over the new year.
Let's just go for a, a slightlyused, like reasonably good
shape old year.
Like I'll take a 1998 all overagain.
That was pretty fun, like let'sjust no but, yeah, snowmageddon,
so we had like 13 inches ofsnow, which is very not, it's
(02:37):
not normal for us.
But yeah, we were snowed in fora little bit.
The baby actually slept at myparents' place and because
they're like the daycare andthey're like we don't know how
the roads are going to be, sojust leave her here.
And that was fantastic, cause Idon't remember a night, oh,
yeah, yeah, I'll wait.
Yeah, thanks, but yeah, like itwas just, it was wonderful, and
(02:59):
I don't know.
I there's like this clip goingaround the internet.
I don't know if it went, quoteunquote, viral, but it's been
going around.
It's our local weather guy andhe has lost his mind, like while
doing the newscasting.
Like at the end of it he's justmaking snow angels and it is.
It is like chef's kiss of howwe were just dealing with
snowmageddon.
Warren (03:21):
Oh, that's funny.
So, yeah, we got oursnowmageddon too.
It it flurried for probablyfive minutes and and it was done
.
Uh, and the funny thing is Iwent to take out some garbage
and I noticed, oh wow, it'ssnowing.
And you know, you reallycouldn't see it too well.
If you looked up in the lightyou could see you know it a
little bit better.
(03:41):
And then you, you look at likewe have our patio furniture
covered with a black cover andso you could see the snow on
that.
I was like, oh cool, it'ssnowing.
And I said, you know what, I'mgoing to go take the garbage to
the curb before before it getsany worse or anything like that.
By the time I got back from thecurb it was done, our snow, our
(04:02):
snow had stopped and we, wewere done and I was perfectly
happy with that.
And yeah, so I was.
Yeah, I would like some snow,just not on a day or time I have
to drive and right now my sonlives in.
It goes to college out in themountains in North Carolina.
It's been snowing like threedays in a row out there and I
think yesterday they got sixinches and then it's supposed to
(04:25):
not snow again the rest of thisweek until friday, which, but
on friday and saturday it'ssupposed to snow again and
that's when we have to take himhome or take him back, so it's
normally a 13 hour drive to gethim there and back.
I'm anticipating this is goingto be like a.
This might require a hotel tripsomewhere along the way back
(04:48):
North Carolina.
We don't.
We aren't prepared for snow.
I don't think my county has itsown snow vehicles period or
anything like that.
So yeah, that's it, that's good.
That's good.
So let's see.
I want to.
Before we get too far, I want toget caught up on a couple
things, and first, I am a verybad person.
(05:10):
I have not been checking ourApple reviews in forever, and I
was looking the other night andI noticed there's one that I
missed from October.
So Dustin Stoll, who left us afive-star review on Apple
Podcasts.
He wrote HR conversations tomake the world go round.
(05:32):
I need to do research onpodcasts for my marketing class.
I came across this during myresearch.
I find this podcastinformational and educational.
This is precisely what I needas an HR major to become as a HR
major, because, after workingin the field for a while, I am
jaded, so it helped me very much.
(05:54):
So, dustin, sorry it took us solong to read your review.
I I'm going to try and read thereviews much more frequently.
So if you'd like to give us areview on any of the platforms,
especially Apple's that helps usgrow, go ahead and do so and
we'll read it on the air.
So yeah, I'm just so sorry Imissed that that review but also
(06:19):
it's time for me to to eat alittle crow.
In the last episode about theOhio State Disappointed I
apparently spread somemisinformation.
I even said in the episode Ididn't read the whole article.
I have the TLDR type of mindsetADD TLDR, it doesn't matter.
(06:41):
So apparently the Ohio StateUniversity employees did not get
their second increase.
They got the first increaseback in July, but they were
informed that they would begetting this second one, so they
didn't actually get it, but itstill doesn't change the fact
that they got screwed in theprocess and my feelings still
(07:02):
remain the same.
You tell me I'm getting anincrease and then you take it
away from me because you don'thave to give it to me anymore.
No, sorry, still still going toleave you.
Cee Cee (07:11):
I don't believe anything until it happens,
especially with pay andpromotions.
You can tell me until you'reblue in the face that something
is coming.
Something is coming.
Face that something is coming,something is coming.
But I feel like I've beenaround the block one too many
times.
To know that something iscoming is squat until it
actually happens.
Warren (07:34):
Yeah, in my company we had like five or six people that
this would have applied to andwe had a game plan in place what
we're going to do for each ofthem.
Some would get the bump toremain exempt and others would
get their normal annual increaseat the beginning of the year
and then just go to non-exempt.
And we, we had a game plan foreverybody.
(07:54):
And, uh, even the week beforethis happened, we said, okay, it
looks like the nothing's gonnahappen to stop this from
happening.
So we'll, uh, uh and we're like, okay, fine, and of course it
does happen.
So, uh, you know, even if youhave thousands of employees like
ohio state, you don't have totake immediate action all the
(08:17):
time you can.
You can figure this out.
I don't know, but I still thinkthat I still think from what I
know and didn't read everything,I still think the situation
seemed to be handled prettypoorly.
So I did want to put it outthere that I had spread some
misinformation apparently.
So I halfway read anotherarticle which set me straight.
Cee Cee (08:40):
Well, thank you for the clarification, but it doesn't
change our final verdict asshitty.
Warren (08:48):
Exactly, I like it.
I like it.
So we've been teasing for well.
Actually, before we get there,wanted to wrap up the must
listen to podcast list that we,you know, we had Mike Coffey
from Good Morning HR.
We had the game from CorporatePizza Party.
We had Jamie from HR Besties.
(09:09):
I was trying to get two others.
I'll go ahead and say that Iwas trying to get Kyle from
Rebel HR and also Eileen andGlenda from Serping Corporate.
My schedule just went sidewaysand it just became harder for me
to try and get those schedule.
But those other podcasts aredefinitely in our must listen to
(09:31):
HR podcast lists as well.
But oh well, speaking of mustlisten to podcasts, we got
ranked for 2025 by Buzzfeed,which is absolute garbage, but
it's still.
It's still, yeah, the 20 number21 must listen to a hr podcast.
I don't know what we were lastyear, but we're 21 this year out
(09:55):
out of I don't know how manythere are.
There's 22.
There's only 20, but we got 21on that list.
Yeah, it's garbage.
Buzzfeed sucks.
They list some podcasts whicharen't in publication anymore.
I think one of the years wewere listed on it, it even gave
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it even gave completely wrongnames of the hosts.
I don't know if it was me andFeathers at the time, but it
didn't have either of our namescorrect.
But this time our names were atleast correct on it.
So yay to that, for what thatis worth.
It basically sets you up formarketing, because they're
trying to sell your contactinformation and it's very
(10:40):
blatant, so I'll put the link inthe show notes.
Cee Cee (10:44):
A win is a win, man yeah.
Warren (10:48):
Excuse me.
Cee Cee (10:49):
After 2024,.
I'll take any win.
Warren (10:52):
Yeah, yeah, For me 2024 wasn't that bad looking back.
I mean, you know it wasn't a2020 or anything like that.
I think we're done with withthose type of things, hopefully
yeah, I can be honest like 2024.
Cee Cee (11:10):
Aside from like the weird stuff, things in my life
were pretty awesome.
I mean I had a baby like hello.
I mean that's pretty.
Yeah, like I can't top that.
So, yeah, like I'm no, yeah,like I I get cynical but at the
same time life is good.
I can't really complain.
Warren (11:28):
No, no, and you know, even professionally, I have a
hard time complaining.
You know I'm not getting asmuch ammunition for a jaded show
for my own work experiences asI used to get when I first
dreamed up the jaded HR conceptand things like that.
So it's a little bit differentthan having to rely on some of
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the news sources.
And actually, speaking of which, two things we didn't do in
2024 and one will never comeback is I don't think it'll ever
come back.
We didn't do the holiday song.
I think y'all have sufferedenough with my singing for the
first three years of doing that.
But we didn't talk about JohnHyman's end of the year list of
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worst employers and you knowwhat?
I don't know whether to behappy or sad, but the contenders
there were no teenagers killedor anything like that.
I hate to say it that way.
There were no god-awful onesout there.
There were some bad ones.
So it was interesting.
(12:33):
But I did see he already hashis first contender for 2025.
I saw earlier today.
I don't know when it was posted, but hey, we're only a week in,
so somebody's doing somethingout there to try and make the
list for 25.
So yeah, so, fun stuff.
(12:54):
Well, now, I think, would be agood time for you to introduce
to everybody what we've beenteasing for a month or two about
what our new segment's going tobe.
So take it away.
Cee Cee (13:07):
Yeah, so I am a huge pop culture workplace comedy
connoisseur and it's always, Ithink this is kind of a passion
project of both of ours.
But we'll be having a segmentthat's basically HR lessons from
pop culture and, specifically,we're going to be focusing on
(13:29):
the greatest television show toever grace our presence, which
is the Office.
So Warren and I are going to bepicking select episodes the
classics if you will and we'llbe dissecting them, but then
looking at them from an HR lensand see what they got right and
what they kind of got very, verywrong.
(13:51):
But yeah, so we're going tostart off with the Office.
We might, you know, go intoother shows, like maybe Parks
and Recreation or other movieslike Office Space or stuff like
that.
So we're also open tosuggestions.
So you let us know what youwant to hear as well, or like
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what you'd like us to dissectfrom that HR lens.
But yeah, like we're going downthe like I said, it's pop
culture through the lens of HR.
Warren (14:22):
I think that is just such an awesome idea.
I'm glad you brought it up.
If you, dear listener, havesuggestions, the show notes have
two ways to easily get in touchwith us.
One is a link that just sayssend us a text and that's
one-way communication.
And when you hit that button,the your text app will open on
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your phone and it'll have likesix digits as your first number.
Don't delete those, becauseI'll never get it if you don't,
because that's how the hostingprovider sorts.
That six digit is our jaded hrcode.
It knows to send it to usversus any of their other shows.
So you can send us that way.
Plus, there's a 252 number inthe show notes as well, a phone
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number you can just call.
You can leave us a voicemail.
It doesn't ring.
It's a Google voice number.
It doesn't ring anywhere.
I get a voicemail when someoneleaves a voice message, but you
could send a text or voicemessage there.
And yeah, that's two ways youcan send suggestions.
You have maybe a favoriteepisode of the Office or maybe
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there's another show that youthink needs to be discussed that
has a great HR influence withit.
A Big Bang Theory comes to mind, because they always seem to be
ending up in Regina King'soffice as their HR manager.
Oh, that's right At some pointor another.
So, yeah, so it's funny.
(15:48):
There are some things we canpull out of there.
And, yeah, any workplacecomedies that you can think of
or maybe they're not comedies,maybe they're dramas, I don't
know, I watch mainly comedy.
So, yeah, I'm really lookingforward to this.
I think what we'll do is the,so the, these episodes, the
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rewatch, if you will.
Episodes are going to be thethird episode of each month, so
this one is going to launchapproximately january 30th.
Uh, so, uh, uh, we'll do ourregular recording session every
two weeks and then this will bea special one.
And if you have an idea forwhat would be a good idea, let
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us know.
If you're a member of Patreon, Ilet our Patreon community know
ahead of time.
They're special, they'respecial.
So they got to know this abouttwo weeks ago and Hallie gave it
a big heart.
And then Bill says awesome,looking forward to it and a new
year.
So, yeah, if you, if you joinus on Patreon, patreon has this
(16:51):
new feature where you can chatwith us and it's two way
communication.
So go ahead and support us onPatreon and you get to know a
little bit ahead of time what'sgoing on.
I think I've done two Patreononly episodes and then you can
chat with us and we'll respondto it.
Cee Cee (17:08):
So yay, you can also honestly feel free to slide into
my DMs as well.
I'm boozy B-O-O-Z-Y.
Underscore H-R yeah you canthere's a plethora of ways to
contact us, so jump on all ofthem.
Warren (17:24):
Your Instagram link is also in the show notes as well.
So, yeah, there's so many waysto reach us.
So, yeah, we really want to getsome feedback from you, our
loyal listeners.
I mean, we're coming up on fiveyears of Jaded HR.
It's so hard to believe that.
You know we're almost at fiveyears Wow, crazy.
(17:45):
But yeah, this will besomething good, this will be
something fun.
I'm really looking forward toit.
So, yay, I'm trying to think ofanything happening in I I.
I am not prepared.
I did not do any homework.
Obviously, I was telling youoff the air that I've been
talking for months, months,about my son and his search for
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an internship.
Well, he's got his very firstever interview tomorrow.
So by the time this airs, youknow it'll be over.
I doubt he'll have an answer ornot, but he's got an internship
interview tomorrow with acompany in Fargo, north Dakota.
So I looked at the stats to seein Fargo, north Dakota.
So I looked at the stats to seewe do have probably a single
(18:28):
listener in Fargo, north Dakota.
How many Fargo?
I don't know how many episodes.
Yeah, yeah, I just told them tostay away from the wood
chippers.
Cee Cee (18:36):
I just pictured like this one person listening to our
podcast at their desk andthey're just like me, me.
Warren (18:45):
Yeah, we have.
They haven't listened to allthe episodes, but yeah, I just
looked up and we have.
We have a listener who'slistened to a few dozen episodes
up in Fargo.
Cee Cee (18:56):
Well, listen, fargo.
We have a back catalog.
You can listen to all of them.
Warren (19:00):
Exactly, exactly.
So yeah, I'm really excitedabout that.
We I've been doing practiceinterviews with him to the point
where he's just completelyannoyed with me.
And you know, he's a senior incollege, he's never even had a
job interview before or anythinglike that, so it's going to be
interesting.
(19:20):
So I'm excited for him.
I hope he's excited.
I hope it goes well, so yay.
Cee Cee (19:26):
I'm sure it will.
The first interview is alwaysnerve wracking.
Warren (19:31):
Yeah, yeah, and you know if, if he doesn't get it, I
mean it'll suck, but it's a goodinterview experience and you
know it is in Fargo.
You know he, he is veryinterested in going to Fargo.
So Every time we look to applyfor a job, there's been, you
know there's been places no,we're not going to go there or
(19:51):
anything like that.
But when he saw this one andwanted to apply, I'm like, okay,
yeah, we can, you know, checkit out and give it a shot.
And so this is so far the onlypositive response he's gotten.
But if know, anybody hiring ageography gis intern for summer
2025, let me know.
So, yeah, that's gonna be.
Cee Cee (20:10):
It's gonna be fun seeing the world through his
eyes yeah, things like that sooh, just think, in like 18 years
I'll be hopefully sending mineoff to college and then maybe
that helping her get her new joband then her being like oh mom
god, leave me alone.
Warren (20:29):
That's not how they do it, leave me alone, mom that's
not how they do it now okay, see, the thing is with my daughter.
She was much more open to mysuggestions.
Maybe she's just nicer andsweeter and won't tell me to go
F myself.
My son is very prone to leaveme alone.
Dad, get away, I'm tired.
Okay, you've had your fun.
(20:51):
I played your littleinterviewing game with you.
Let's, let's move on.
But my daughter was more intoit and things like that, and so,
yes, that'll be.
That'll be interesting to seehow that.
But the world of HR, what hashappened since the new year?
I can't, really I can't.
Cee Cee (21:13):
The only thing I can think of is, like, personally in
my world, it's just, we are intalent calibrations and I know a
lot of companies are goingthrough performance reviews
right now, or at least doingtheir annual evaluations.
So so, yeah, like best of luckto you all.
I'm very fortunate to have abunch of really great HR, like
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an HR business partner team thatsupports it.
So, yeah, we're on schedule,we're on time and people will be
getting their reviews in acouple weeks and I am excited,
I'm glad that we can close the2024 chapter down.
And then, like this is howcrazy the year is for
performance management.
It's like we're not even donewith talent calibrations, let
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alone going into performancediscussions, and I had to have a
kickoff meeting today aboutgoal setting, because right
after annual goal setting, likeit just you know, it's just the
wheel, it just keeps going andit's already like I'm already
planning for February and I'mnot even seven days into January
.
Warren (22:18):
Yep.
Well, we're at the tail end,we're wrapping up.
All our performance reviewshave been done, completed, most
have been signed.
Employees are dragging theirfeet about signing and you know
the salary increases that wereproposed went into effect
January 4th for everybody, sothat's really exciting.
(22:40):
So, what I'm waiting for, though, is because I guarantee and I
can name the managers who didn'tdo a good job January, let's
say 10th, we get paid, but thatis the last pay of 2024.
And you're raising.
I'm already bracing myself fora dozen phone calls or more.
(23:02):
On the 10th, my raise wasn't inmy check, and I can tell you
the managers that weren't clearto let them know oh, this is a.
You'll see this.
It's effective January 4th.
You will see it on your January24th check.
I so I'm already bracing myselffor that.
Uh, and you know that's not theemployee's fault, that's a
(23:23):
manager fault who, like I said,90% of the people who call for
that question are going to be.
It's going to be because themanager didn't do their job
effectively, and the employeejust doesn't know.
And then the 10% weren'tlistening, or, when their
manager did, tell them it wasthe effective date.
So, yeah, it's going to be good,but I'm already starting.
(23:45):
You know, as soon as I launchmy review process, I create a
document in the postmortem, Icall it for the reviews and I
write down things that could bedone better.
We need change for next year,and I'm going to be going over
that later with my assistant,and Thursday we have our, our,
our meeting, our kickoff meetingfor 1095s with our our provider
(24:08):
on that.
So, yay, a lot of fun, uh,there, and yeah, it is so
cyclical and there's so muchgoing on right now.
You know it was nice that, likethe, the last week of, you know
, december, the first week, weekof January were somewhat slower
overall, but now it's likewe're got to get right back in
(24:30):
the saddle because here it comesagain.
Cee Cee (24:32):
Yeah, I went through that weird space in time where
it was like between Christmasand New Year's and it was just,
I think we were all in thistemporal time warp of just
insanity.
And now it's like coming backand you have to, like you know,
start running a new marathon.
It was this week's been alittle you know, just catching
up on the emails, just gettingmy ass kicked a little bit with
(24:54):
all the things I need to do.
Warren (24:57):
Yeah, yeah, it's you know, but I'm looking forward to
2025.
I think that you know.
Even the title of the show isjaded hr.
I'm I'm really optimistic, I'mlooking forward to it.
I I think that it's going to bea good year.
Cee Cee (25:15):
So yeah, oh, I don't think I told you this um.
2025 is going to be a fantasticyear, because it is the year I
turn 40.
Warren (25:27):
40.
40.
Yes.
Cee Cee (25:33):
I have mixed feelings about it.
It's fine, it's fun, it's a newera, it'll be good, but I'm
kind of excited about there yougo 2025.
The year I turn into a realadult 40.
Warren (25:46):
A real adult.
Oh, congrats.
Cee Cee (25:49):
Thank you, congratulations on that, yeah,
yeah.
Warren (25:53):
Does that officially make you an elder millennial or
are you like in the sweet spotof millennials?
Where does that fall in themillennial spectrum?
Cee Cee (26:02):
Oh, I've always been elder, because I think the
cutoff is 82, so I've alwaysbeen elder with that elder meant
millennials.
Okay, yeah, so yeah I am, I am,I am your elder I millennials,
uh or z's or whoever come, cometalk to me, I am.
I'll tell you about the daysbefore social media.
Warren (26:26):
Yeah, exactly.
Cee Cee (26:28):
And what an AOL room was.
Warren (26:31):
Ooh, hey, okay, Fun fact , I in 99-ish I hired the first
developer for the Mac version ofAOL Instant Messenger for AOL
and then, because he was theprogram manager for it, he ended
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up knowing all these otherpeople could do Mac development
and I ended up hiring majorityof the team for the very first
version of maybe it was 98 forAOL Instant Messenger.
That was something really cool.
Going to the AOL I've never seena business campus before in
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that realm and going to seecampus- oh, I miss the campus it
was so much like a collegiatecampus kids running around in
backpacks and even onskateboards and stuff among the
various buildings.
But when you got into a codingarea, imagine a large building
(27:35):
where when you get off theelevators other than the
elevators and the restrooms andthe pillars holding it up you
can see the entire floor of thebuilding from there and all you
hear is the click, click, click,click of keyboards and you know
the lights are not turned on inthe building and some people
have lamps and other things andit was just so weird going in.
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I've never seen that type ofenvironment before.
I actually happened to be onthe AOL campus in Ashburn,
virginia, the day someone dumpedoff like three dump trucks full
of those AOL discs you used toget all the time.
Someone collected them and sentthem back to them.
I have to be there.
Like the day or day after thatgot delivered, I got to see the
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piles of AOL discs that somebodyhad done there, that was pretty
cool.
So yeah, the 90s in NorthernVirginia, the IT boom was really
really cool.
Cee Cee (28:33):
And now when I see somebody who's still, did you
work for AOL?
Warren (28:38):
No, we were a contractor , a third-party recruiting firm,
and they were one of ourclients.
Cee Cee (28:44):
Oh, that's awesome.
I want to point out the factthat you hired the team that
basically created AOL InstantMessenger, and I feel like you
need some credit.
Warren (28:54):
Or Mac.
They already had it for PC.
Cee Cee (28:57):
Or PC for Mac.
So I feel like some creditshould go to you, because
Butterfly Effect if there wassome bad selections it wouldn't
have worked.
So I thank your recruiter,that's all I'm saying.
Warren (29:13):
Yep, that was my recruiting gig.
It was so funny back then.
The companies we work for andwhere they are now like AOL was
one of our clients, but like MCIWorldCom, which doesn't exist
anymore.
Remember, when you hadtelecommunications and you had
to pay for long distance andshit like that, mci WorldCom was
one of my clients.
(29:34):
I'm just trying to think of.
The only client that I think isstill around and doing very,
very well is MicroStrategy.
They were.
We were in Tyson's Corner,virginia.
They were literally around thecorner.
We used to call it the shoppingbag building.
If you've ever been to Tyson'sCorner, that's where
MicroStrategy was, at least inthe 90s, and now they're killing
(29:55):
it with the whole Bitcoin thing.
So, yeah, if I bought somestock in the 90s from them, I'd
be retired now probably.
But yeah, it's so interesting tothink of the clients I work
with and how, in the telecomindustry, none of them are
around anymore.
Aol is a shadow of what theyused to be.
Microstrategy is still around.
(30:16):
I can't think of any otherclients I service with IT and
people with government.
We had some government.
We placed some people likenorth of Grumman and places like
that, but so they're stillaround.
But yeah, it was really weird,really really cool, really
different and, yeah, fun stuff.
(30:36):
Back then Shoot it wastechnical recruiting, then was
shooting fish in a barrel.
I couldn't believe I wasgetting paid to do that and paid
well and making commission andall that.
It was a fun time.
Cee Cee (30:52):
That's awesome.
Warren (30:54):
Late 90s.
Cee Cee (30:56):
I also want to point out I think probably late 90s,
early 2000s was probably theprime time for a corporate
campus.
I worked on a corporate campusbefore everything just basically
got dismantled because of theway it is now.
But like, I love a campus and Ilike, if you give me a good
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camp, so where I worked, like Iworked for the home office of
Luxottica and at and like it'shere in Cincinnati, and one of
the like, the really cool thingsis like we had an on-site gym.
We had what was it peopleservice that would come pick up
your clothes and drop it off thenext day.
We had a cafeteria and like Ithink the company put stipends
(31:41):
into it to basically lower thecost for us.
You could have like a reallycheap lunch.
That was really like, honestly,it was really decent.
There was walking trails, therewas, I mean, there is like all
this stuff that I'm like I'm sonostalgic for because it created
such a really fun culture.
I think we talked about thisbefore on the podcast.
(32:02):
Like I work with people who arein my wedding.
I was in people's, mycoworkers' weddings.
It was just such a fun time andI'm not sure if it's the campus
or just the nostalgia of beingearly career amongst a bunch of
other people who are earlycareer like you.
I can't put my finger on it.
Maybe it was a little bit ofboth, but I miss the campus and
(32:23):
I will die on it.
Hell, no, don't tell me.
I have to come to that campusevery single day and I can never
be late.
Like then we're going to haveproblems.
I will beat you up, like, but Iwould love a campus that I can
go to.
Warren (32:37):
My wife's company has a campus and it is.
It used to be really cool.
They did the same thing.
They had a employee gym.
My wife broke her leg in theemployee gym there and but they
they had a cafeteria.
At first the food was free andthen they made it like $3.
(32:58):
So $3 and their food was goodand they would even have like
seafood days where they wouldhave things like shrimp for $3
and their food was good and theywould even have like seafood
days where they would havethings like shrimp for $3 and
shrimp and fish and it wasreally good.
They had a hotel on theircampus.
They still do have a hotel, Ishould say, on their campus for
visitors and things like that.
They do training there, amongother things.
(33:21):
They actually have their ownairport on their campus, so it's
a really, really cool thing.
But now she goes to the officeevery other week for one day and
she's not even there for thefull day, unless she absolutely
has to or she decides I'm goingto hang out and talk with the
other people that are here,because she's not required to be
(33:44):
there.
She's actually removed all ofher personal belongings out of
her office, so her office lookspretty vacant now.
And then she says sometimes itmakes me feel sad, but sometimes
I'm like eh, don't care whenshe goes to her office and it's
completely empty, like it's noteven hers anymore.
So, yeah, I've never worked inthat environment, but I think it
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would be a mix of being a youngprofessional and having all
those amenities right there foryou, like a gym, go out to lunch
with your friends, or maybeyou've been just going to go get
a snack.
Hey, let's, let's go get aparfait or something like that.
You know, let's take five, goget a parfait, snacks, pancakes,
(34:26):
whatever.
I think that there is somethingto being in that 20, the early
30-something and working with abunch of other 20 to
30-somethings in that type ofenvironment.
I think it would be pretty darnawesome.
Like I said, I never worked ona campus, but I can just see it
(34:46):
and know what other people haveexperienced, heard what other
people experienced.
I think that would be prettycool stuff.
But yeah, I don't know how muchyou have that anymore.
Cee Cee (34:56):
Yeah, it's not there.
But you know what?
Everything it's like a pendulum.
Everything swings in one way tothe extreme and then it swings
back into the other way.
I wouldn't be surprised in like10 years.
There's a resurgence of likereturning to the office full
time or something, becausewhatever, um, I don't know, I
(35:17):
don't know.
I I kind of see somethingcoming back.
I don't think it's gonna bethis remote forever unless you
take a remote job.
I think people hunger for ithonestly, because I think we're
just a social humans are socialbeings so there's only going to
be so much that people can takefrom video interactions that I
think we're going to see someamount of need and want from the
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employee to have that physicalconnectedness again.
So I could be wrong, but that'swhat I predict.
Warren (35:49):
I agree, I absolutely agree.
I voluntarily have given up mywork from home day.
I can still do it if I want,but by the time, you know, for
my, I was only doing, I wasallowed to do it up to two days
a week.
I only did it once.
For my, I was only doing, I wasallowed to do it up to two days
a week, I only did it once.
And just you know, first wereproblems packing up the computer
(36:11):
, remembering the charge, orboth leaving office and coming
going back to the office andhaving to charge her.
You know, doing this it was andI feel so much more productive
in the office and I like I likethe interaction with the people
and half my day is people cominginto my office and I like I
like the interaction with thepeople and half my day is people
coming into my office andneeding a question answered or
having a problem that I cansolve, or something like that.
(36:33):
And when I'm not in the office,they're not calling me, they're
not chatting me, they're,they're not doing those things
as I.
Where we work, it's just hey,I'm going, hey, warren, can I
come in and ask you a quickquestion?
And that's how it works.
And so I decided, you know,when it's slow and I'm working
remote, it's almost painful,whereas if it's slow and I'm in
(36:57):
the office, hey, I can chit chatwith somebody.
I've got other things to do or,you know, I'll be there for
that person who has that one-offquestion or something like that
.
So I, like I said, I voluntarilygave up my work from home and
actually this is my first timein my office recording this.
(37:21):
Since what?
A month ago, when we lastrecorded an episode I've not
been up here for for anything.
So actually I had.
I came up a half hour beforeand turned the heat on, because
the heat hasn't been on up onthe side of the house, because I
don't, I don't use it.
So, yeah, I wanted to.
It's just different, it's just,it's just different, it's just
(37:44):
different.
So, yeah, yeah, socialinteraction is.
I still have friends withpeople I work with at that IT
company in Northern Virginia inthe 90s.
(38:06):
I'm still friends with a coupleof people from there and it's a
different environment.
I don't think you can have thatinteraction, that camaraderie,
working remote, because I thinkthe the people there and at
other places I've worked havebeen what makes it, you know,
special, if you will.
(38:26):
Yeah, this is so unjaded.
I know it's like Hallmark movietype thing, but no.
Cee Cee (38:33):
I always think, also, like working remotely, if you're
gonna do it a hundred percentof the time, I think it also
depends on where you are in life.
And I like, because I'mthinking like, okay, I think of
myself when I was new to careerand I didn't know, you know,
aside from a couple internships,there are certain things you
just don't know until you workin an office and you're actually
(38:56):
on a payroll, a lot of thosethings being those special
social things, and you know howyou interact with people.
I don't know if we, I don'tknow if we talked about it on
here, but I forget the numberbut there's a lot of Gen Z
getting terminated or firedbecause of a lack of performance
or just inappropriate behaviorsor stuff like that.
(39:19):
And I'm like, or stuff likethat, and I'm like, oh my God,
some like I think working in anoffice, early career with people
is so beneficial to youprofessionally.
Um, yeah, like I think that'sso necessary.
But then, on the flip side, I'mlike, I am so flippant.
Thank you, like, thankful, andI'm going to say I w I was very
(39:41):
privileged to be able to workfrom home while I was pregnant
and one like and returning towork after having a baby and
like that to me.
I mean, I can't imagine what itwould have been like to have to
commute 35, 40 minutes every day, um, without you know the
(40:02):
ability, like if I was hadmorning sickness I would have to
pull over the side of the roadand puke or all of like the
weird things, all of the weirdthings a woman's body does while
she's pregnant, like having tobe in a conference room and like
almost pee your pants orsomething like all those things.
I'm so happy I was able to workfrom home, remotely, and I
think there I think there'ssomething to be said about
(40:23):
meeting people where they are ina lot of the ways and giving
them space to be flexible.
Like if they need to work fromhome for a small season and
they're still able to do theirjob and do it well, let them, if
they want to come back to theoffice, create a space for them.
Like I don't know, there'ssomething to be said about being
a little flexible.
Warren (40:43):
Absolutely, and I think that's the best thing.
If you could have some sort oftrue hybrid hey, you're going to
work from in the office Because, especially early career, you
need some mentoring, you needsome development, you need
someone looking over yourshoulder every once in a while.
Hey, warren, instead of doingit this way, why don't you try
it this way or something likethat that you're not going to
(41:05):
get remotely?
And yeah, I understand thedata's there that people are
much more productive workingfrom home.
I know my wife says she's likedoes the job of two people now
that she's working from home andshe, she doesn't really mind
that as much.
But you, you know in her worldit works well.
(41:26):
For me it just didn't work outas well and I never got used to
it.
If I'd been doing it more thanyou know once a week or twice a
week or something like that Iprobably would have adapted
better.
But I never really got the fulladaptation to it and I was like
, yeah, I could take it or leaveit.
But I think, yeah, youngerprofessionals need that in their
(41:50):
life and I'm really surprisedthey don't want it more because
after, like, look at someone, mydaughter's age, she's 23.
She went through college,through all of COVID, and you
know her college experiencesucked.
That's heartbreaking, you knownot, not, not like you know mine
.
She went to East Carolina andshe didn't have the same are
like, yeah, I want to interactwith people and things like that
(42:13):
.
I don't know, maybe thesepeople interactions maybe will
(42:46):
lead to retention, as I know,I've stayed at more than one job
longer than I probably shouldhave.
Yeah, because I like the people.
Yeah, uh, the job was mad.
If it didn't suck, it was madat best and but I like my, my
co-workers, I like the people Iwas with.
So, hey, what the hell, I'llstick around to be with them and
yeah, so that's, I don't know.
I think that's a goodexperience.
(43:07):
Yeah, you have a.
But if you even have a suckyjob and you're with good people,
that makes it all the.
That makes all the differenceas well.
Cee Cee (43:16):
So no one can like.
There's something about a bondbetween people who have a
horrible work experience,whether or not it's the company
or whether or not it's the bossthey work for.
And it's so funny because Ihave like I have some team
members in my past who form ourcompany and we still have like a
(43:37):
chat going.
I got what is it just like atext, like group, and we still,
like at least once a week, arelike active in there.
I haven't worked with thesepeople in years, but we all
bonded over the fact that we hada nightmare boss.
Oh yeah.
Warren (44:00):
And but there's more of you.
Yeah, you might have a suckyboss, but there's more of you
than them.
And it's like, yeah, I thinkI've told the story before.
I worked one place where the HRmanager slash, director slash
whatever the title of the daywas they.
I was there six years, I think.
I had eight managers slash,directors, slash, whatever.
(44:21):
I think I had eight managersslash, directors, slash,
whatever.
And after a little while I wasjust and I'm in my early 30s and
I'm thinking, oh, let's see howlong this person lasts.
You know, I'll be here longerthan they are, that type of
thing.
And it was interesting.
You don't get those type ofexperiences without physically
being at work, being at work,and how the hell these new hr
(44:47):
people deal with all the, the,the poops, the poop happenings
if their, their employees aren'tI know they're, they're being
robbed of a critical thesepeople aren't able to clean up
poop in a, in a bathroom.
Cee Cee (44:55):
I mean, where are these stories going to come from one
day?
What you're going to tell?
An old war story about a meanIM someone sent you Please.
Warren (45:07):
Oh yeah, so anyway.
Well, even though we had noagenda going into today, I think
we've gotten this one prettyfar.
Next week we will have anagenda.
I'll do some homework Iactually think I've a, an idea
or two and then, of course,please listen to the episode.
On the 30th we'll bere-watching the office, I think,
(45:30):
next.
Next time we'll even go intowhat episode we're going to talk
about.
So if you want to watch it, uh,ahead of time, before the
episode drops, so you can becomemore familiar.
I know that's what I'm going tobe doing as we, as we plan our
episodes.
And please give us your feedback.
The show notes are just chockfull of ways to give us feedback
(45:50):
, including CeCe's.
Let us know what you'rethinking, what you'd like to see
, or any other stories you mighthave for the show, or your own
experiences.
We got text, numbers,everything like that.
So give us your feedback andalso leave a review.
I promise I won't take twomonths, like I did with Dustin's
review, and get those outsooner.
(46:15):
So leave us some reviews.
That's what's going to helppeople find us.
I think we're.
We've got like a 4.8 rating onApple podcasts, so please,
please, continue to check thatout.
I think we've got like a 4.8rating on Apple Podcasts.
So please, please, continue tocheck that out, and I know some
of the others are allowing youto give either thumbs up or
stars and things like that.
So, yeah, help us out that way.
Cee Cee (46:34):
Yeah, rate us.
It helps us in the algorithms.
Warren (46:39):
Yeah, the algorithms, the algorithms, yeah.
Cee Cee (46:40):
The algorithms.
The algorithms.
Warren (46:44):
Yeah, so let's go ahead and land the plane, thanking our
Patreon supporters.
I know I mentioned them earlier, but Cece, excuse me, but
Hallie, the original Jaded HRrock star, bill and Mike, thank
you very much.
You can join us on Patreon oryou can chat with us there,
message us there as well.
So thank you very much to them.
(47:05):
Also, thank you to Andrew Kolpa, who does the voice artist work
in the intro, and the intro andoutro music is Double, with the
Double by the UnderscoreOrchestra, and so, with all that
said, as always, I'm Warren.
Cee Cee (47:19):
I'm Cece.
Warren (47:22):
And we're here helping you survive.
Hr one.
What the fuck moment.
At a time you
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