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I've always been driven and chasing the next accomplishment. But
there came a moment when I realized God wasn't interested
in my resuming.
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He was interested in my heart.
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All the roles I've played, athlete, author, commentat or attorney.
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Were all different ways to Sir, the turning point was understanding.
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That my purpose wasn't about achievement, it was about bringing
glory to Him and loving people. Well.
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Welcome to the Jesus Calling Podcast. This week, in celebration
of Super Bowl Sunday, we'll hear from Tim Green, a
former NFL player, Best selling author and commentator, Tim who
now speaks with the assistance of technology due to a
diagnosis of ALS, reflects on a life marked by ambition,
the identity shaking diagnosis of this neurodegenerative disease, and the
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perspective that transformed his understanding of what matters most in life.
Later in the episode, we'll hear from Mike Flint, whose
story inspired the twenty twenty three sports drama Fell the Senior.
One day, when talking with his friends, Mike shared one
of his deepest regrets, getting kicked off the college football
team as a senior. When asked, why don't you do
something about it, Mike decided to pursue a second chance
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and became the oldest linebacker of a college football team
in NCAA history at age fifty nine, proving that it's
never too late to chase your dreams. Let's begin with
Tim's story.
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My name is Tim Green.
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I've been blessed to wear a lot of hats in
my life. An NFL first round draft pick with the
Atlanta Falcons, a number one New York Times best selling author,
a commentator, a lawyer, a husband, a father. But these days,
the most important thing I do is simply try.
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To serve the people I love.
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My life's work now is about family, about helping others,
and about using whatever time and gifts God has given
me to make a difference. I grew up in Liverpool,
New York, a small town outside Syracuse. My parents worked
hard and they taught me discipline and faith. As a kid,
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I dreamed of playing football and writing books. At the time,
there was nothing strange to me about playing in the
NFL and writing books.
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I figured why not.
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People laughed when I said I wanted to do it,
But God had other plans, plans that were bigger than
anything I could have imagined.
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Looking back, every step prepared me for the next one.
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He was weaving the story long before I knew it.
Playing in the NFL was a gift, a dream cup true.
But it also taught me that success isn't who you are.
You can be cheered by thousands one day and forgotten
the next. The real victories are not off the field.
They're in your heart and soul. What really matters is
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your faith, family, and identity in Christ, not in a
jersey or a job. Football gave me a platform, but
it's faith and family that gave me a purpose.
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I've always been driven and chasing the next accomplishment.
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But the moment when I realized God wasn't interested in
my resume, he was interested in my heart. All the
roles I've played, athlete, author, commentator, attorney were all just
different ways to serve. The turning point was understanding that
my purpose wasn't about achievement, it was about bringing glory
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to Him and loving people.
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Well.
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When I was diagnosed with ALS, everything I built my
life on strength, ambition, achievement suddenly crumpled.
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I had to face my own mortality.
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In a way I never expected, And in that moment,
I realized God was giving me another chance, a chance
to stop being what I called and undercover Christian. I'd
always believed in God, but I didn't always lead with
that belief. My diagnosis forced me to confront what really matters.
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To put crusts at the center, not tucked quietly the background.
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It made every day, every relationship, every breath, more precious
and more purposeful. ALS pushed me into a darkness I
never knew.
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Hit of despair.
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I felt like everything I valued was being stripped away.
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I voiced my independence, my identity I.
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Had thoughts I never imagined having, but God met me there.
One morning, I woke up with a clarity I didn't
create that this wasn't the end of my story. I
realized that God had left me here for a reason,
maybe to show that even in suffering, his goodness can
still shine. That moment was a second chance, and it
wasn't going to waste it. The heaviest seasons were after
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my initial diagnosis and then the day where I had
to get the tracheat of it.
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It was easy to feel lost and afraid.
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What kept me grounded was love, my wife, my children,
my family, and the constant reminder.
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That God hadn't abandoned. Pray became less.
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About asking and more about resting. Peace came in small moments,
a handheld, a smile, a sunset, reminders that God was
still here. Every chapter of my life has required a
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deeper anchor than achievement. When the applause stops, when the
career ends, when the body fails, you need a foundation
that won't That's one of the reasons I've had so
much fun doing the podcast with my son. Nothing left unset.
It lets me openly connect with people about God and
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the importance of faith. Connecting with God isn't a luxury,
it's survival. That's why I love Jesus calling. It brings
scripture into the quiet places of the day, reminding us
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you realize he's been walking with you the whole time.
When you're young and talented, it can feel like the
world expects perfection.
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But God doesn't.
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Call us to be perfect, and he calls us to
be faithful. Reading from Jesus Listens March seven, Compassionate Jesus,
I need to tell you about the things that have
been weighing me down. I realize you already know all
about them, but by voicing them to you provides relief
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from the heavy load I've been caring. Whenever I'm feeling discouraged,
it's essential for me to spend time remembering you. Thinking
about who you are my Lord and my God, savior
and shepherd, the friend who will never leave me.
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Lifts me up and brightens my perspective.
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I'm grateful that you're fully aware of every aspect of
my life, including all my thoughts and feelings.
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Everything about me is important to you.
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As I relax in your loving presence help me recall
the many ways you've taken care of me, providing just
what I need. I'll try to thank you for each
blessing that comes to mind. In light of your presence,
I can see things more clearly and sort out what
is important and what is not. As I linger with you,
your face shines upon me, blessing, encouraging and comforting me.
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I will again praise you for the help of your
presence in your mighty name Amen.
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To learn more about Tim, visit author timgreen dot com
and be sure to check out his new book Rocket
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next guest is Mike Flint, a former college athlete and
strength coach. Mike reflects on the choices that derailed his
early dreams and shares about the remarkable comeback that brought
him back to the football field at age fifty nine.
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My name is Mike Flint. I'm seventy seven years young.
I'm a born again Christian. I live in Franklin, Tennessee.
I've been married to my beautiful WiFi Lean for fifty
three amazing years. I'm the oldest college linebacker at age
fifty nine INCAA history. My family moved from Hattiesburg, Mississippi,
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when I was very young. I think I was three
years old. They moved to Odessa, Texas. It was growing
up there that my dad was a World War Two
veteran who was in D Day and then into the
Battle of the Bulge and was wounded there, and the
war had a tremendous impact on my dad. And my
mother was a war bride. She was from Nottingham, England,
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and when my dad was in rehab after being wounded
in the Battle of the Bulge, they met there in London,
fell in love and got married. And when we moved
to Odessa, my dad felt like he needed to train
me as early as possible to take care of myself
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given the environment that we lived in. He started training me,
but it was a military type training. When I was
six years old, we started boxing. He called it boxing.
I was young, but I was pretty sure what we
were doing was fighting. That had in this impact on
my young life, and the driving force for me was
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I onted be pleasing to my dad. I wanted my
dad to be proud of me, and so my dad,
putting that adversity into my life at that young age,
I'm convinced was the reason that I was able to
do well in athletics and chose fitness as a way
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of life. That was something that I looked back on
over the years and gratitude. At the time, I did
not appreciate it, but as I got older, I began
to realize how important that groundwork that he laid in
my life from a physical standpoint, the dividends that it
paid throughout my life. I was an All conference linebacker
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at sol Ross and sol Ross played in the Low
Star Conference. At that time. My teammates had elected me
as team captain, which was a tremendous honor because it
was a team thing. The coaches didn't have anything to
do with it, and so I came back my senior
year in nineteen seventy one. I came back for one
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reason and one reason only, and it was to win
a conference championship. Again. I was an All conference linebacker.
I had over one hundred tackles a year. The two
previous years, I had twenty four tackles in one game.
My teammates would play for me. Those guys knew that
I loved them and they loved me, and so I
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had a stower reputation with my teammates. The administration, however,
did not share that same opinion of me. I had
ten off the field fistfights over a two year time
period that had me on the administration's radar. And the
way my dad raised me, I was a good person,
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was a trouble maker, but I became a trouble seeker.
I didn't mind fighting, and then again in West Texas
with the Cowboys, the Roughnecks and football. If you don't
mind fighting, there's always going to be a lot of opportunities.
And so I came back my senior year to win
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that conference championship. I was appointed by the coaches to
check rooms for curfew to make sure that everyone was
in on time. A couple of freshmen were in they
had been drinking. I confronted him about being late. One
of them took exception to me telling him when he
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could and couldn't come and go, and it got physical
and he got hurt. The difference in this scenario was
that the police were called. They then called the president
of the college. The next morning, the head coach had
me in his office right and early. All my teammates
were already out on the field, and he told me, Mike,
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I'm going to have to ask you not to be
part of our team this year. And I mean, I
couldn't believe it. I was in shock. And you know
I told him, I said, I coach, that wasn't my fault.
I was doing my job. And I said, if you
asked my teammates how they feel about this, and he said,
I don't have to ask them. I know how they
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feel about it. But the president of the college has
called me and told me that he's heard Mike Clint's
name for the last time. It's you or Mike Flint.
Who's he going to be? And so he said, Mike,
you've got to go. I went on with my life
and getting kicked off that team, see that team that
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had so much potential. Of that team that I came
back for, I needed six hours to graduate. I could
have graduated the previous summer, but I came back to
play my scene year and win a conference championship. I
got kicked out. They went four six and one. They
didn't even have a winning season, and so I shouldered
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that responsibility and it just only made matters worse. Internalizing
it was really bad because it was like a cancer.
I didn't share with anyone. I didn't tell anyone how
I felt and the times that I cried over the
loss of my senior year. My walk with the Lord
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was non existent until I met Eileen. After I was
kicked out, I couldn't go back to Odessa because everybody
was asking it was football season, you know, Mike, why
aren't you playing? What's going on? And I was offered
an opportunity in Austin, Texas, And so I moved to
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Austin and Aileen was going to the University of Texas
there in Austin, and we met, started dating, fell in love,
and Eleen changed my whole life. She introduced me to
Christ and for me, it wasn't an overnight, over week,
over month process. It was something that even after we
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were married. We were married for ten years before God
knocked me at my knees. I would sit in church
and I was polite. I would do anything everything that
Eileen wanted me to do. But I really had no
relationship with the Lord. And then a business venture that
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I had been involved in from a peripheral standpoint, imploded
and I got dragged into it, and all of a sudden,
my whole world turned upside down. And I was drinking
a lot at that time. And I told Eileen one morning,
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I said, you know, I think the easiest thing for
me to do would be to take my pistol and
go in that closet and get this over with. I
just can't stand this anymore because of my violent past.
It really frightened her, and she took me by the
hand and she said, come on with me. We lived
on a golf course in Austin, Texas at that time,
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and it was closed that day, and we went down
on the golf course and we walked for I don't know,
we walked for an hour. And I had no idea
the depth of her relationship with Christ. And she began
to share scripture verses with me and talk about how
much God loved me and the plan that he had
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for my life. And I realized for the first time
that I didn't know anything about God. I knew zero.
And Eileen, I mean quoting scripture and I thought, you know,
I've never read the Bible. Well, when went back home
and I took out a Bible and I started. Over
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the next few days and weeks, I started trying to
read my Bible, and it was like eating dry cereal.
I mean, I'd read a page in and I would think,
what did I just read? What was that about? And
Aileen had bought a sixteen volume set of encyclopedia books
for children on the Bible, and I took down book
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number one. It had pictures in it and it was
written for children under twelve, and I read all sixteen.
I went through the whole set. I could understand it,
you know, the pictures were there, the explanations were simple, everything,
And then I went back and picked up my Bible.
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It was during that time period that I knew that
I had to make a profession of faith in Christ,
and so I did. And it was that profession of
faith in Christ and my realization that I knew so
little about Him that started me on my journey in
faith that I still pursue today. It was dealing with
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that regret and going forward with my life. I became
very successful in the fitness industry. I became a strength
and conditioning coach at the University of Nebraska, University of Oregon, Texas,
A and M. I had fitness patents I trained the
US military. The regret over the years, I finally learned
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to manage it. I mean, because it wouldn't go away.
That memory was there, that what ifs were there, and
I didn't have those answers, and I struggled with it
for so long that I finally learned to manage it.
I wouldn't think about it, and I would go for
extended periods of time and it would never come up,
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and then something would happen that would cause me to
think about that loss of my senior year and the
adversity that my dad had put in my life when
I was young was now starting to pay dividends for
me in that arena. But that memory was always there,
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impacting every time something would come up. Who I was
as a leader, who I was as a teammate and
a friend, and that question mark was always there, and
it was unresolved. The whole thing about football at fifty nine.
It was not a planned event. It really wasn't. There
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was a reunion that was scheduled, and I received notices
here in Franklin about the reunion down in San Antonio,
and there was.
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No way I was going to that.
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I had struggled all those years to get past that regret.
And I knew that I wouldn't be there five minutes
and it would come up. So there's no way I
was going. I leaned, you know, she just she said,
I don't know what's going on with you that you
want to go down to that reunion and see those guys.
I know you you want to see them, and I
know they want to see you. They keep calling and
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see I'd never told i Lean about this regret. I
adn't told anyone. I finally I said, okay, well you know,
I'm going to go down there. And so I got
down there and I wasn't there five minutes. In the
lobby at the hotel, and all the football players that
all congregated in one area and they were coming up
and talking and telling jokes. And then one of them said, Mike,
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what was it about that one fight it got you
kicked out? When you had so many you know, what
was up with that? And I told them, I said,
you know, I just made a lot of poor decisions
when I was young, and that was the straw that
broke the camel's back. And I said, you know, but
what it's me more than anything. Is I still think
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I can play? And I said, letting you guys down
had become my greatest regret in life. And then knowing
that I really feel like I can play, that just
makes it worse. And one of them said, well, if
you still think you can play, what don't you? And
I said, there is no way that I can have
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eligibility after thirty seven years. He said, hey, listen, if
that's the greatest regret you've got in life, if you
think you can run with those guys, if you think
you can take the hits, you need to check it out.
They've changed to Division three. It's a whole new set
of rules. Well, I couldn't think about anything else the
rest of the weekend and got home. I found out
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from the NCAA that I still had a semester of
eligibility limb. And so I go down to Saul Ross
and meet with him, head coach, and I freak him out.
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You know.
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I just walked into his office and told him that
when I'd played at Permim, the kind of player I was,
the number of football scholarships that I was offered, and
told him that I played at sol Ross the kind
of linebacker I was, and I'd gotten kicked out for fighting.
And then I told him about all the universities where
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I'd coached at Nebraska, Oregon, Texas, A and M. And
then I said, I'd like to walk onto this team
as a linebacker. It enables me to help a bunch
of young men that I don't even know, and I
can make up for those guys I let down all
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those years ago. And so coach said, wait a minute,
you will to play and I said, yes, yes, sir,
I want to play linebacker. He said how old are
you you are and I said I'm fifty nine. And
he said, now, when were you at Permian. I said, well,
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it was back in nineteen sixty five and he said,
oh my gosh. Well the assistant head coach stepped in
about that time. He said, coach, you got a bunch
of freshmen down on the field waiting on you. And
he said, oh men, Mike, I totally forgot. I got
bunch of cures here for orientation. I wanted to see
what kind of shape there in, what kind of speed
they've got. He said, I got to get out of
the field, and I said, well, can I go with you?
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He thought he was rid of me. So we get
down to the field and he said, I don't want
you guys to get stretched out. You know, we're going
to play fag football. I want you to choose teams,
and I want to see how fast you are. I
want to see what kind of shape you're in. So
there'll be no walking, no patterns less than ten yards,
and you guys get moved. What's ninety five degrees. I mean,
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we're one hundred miles from Mexico. It's the middle of
the summer. And so they started stretching and I said,
can I join them? And I'd warn some bagg jeans
and my tennis shoes and a T shirt. And he
looked at the assistant head coach and he just shrugged
his shoulders and he said, yeah, I guess you can
join them. And so I got out there and we
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stretched out and they picked teams. I was the last
player picked. We ran for an hour non stop, and
he bug a whistle call everybody up, you know, told
those guys to get the orientation. Told me he said,
come on, Mike, I'll take you back to your car.
And he told me, he said, I got a meet,
and things going through my mind he said, you'd be
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in my office at nine o'clock in the morning. I'll
give you an answer to your question about walking onto
this team. I was there nine o'clock the next morning.
His whole staff was in his office. He introduced me
to everybody, and he said, after watching you run with
those freshmen yesterday, there is no doubt in my mind
that you can play college football. He said. To come
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back and risk your health to play your senior year
of college football, you'd have to have an incredible reason,
he said, But I got to tell you, I can't
think of a better reason than the one you've given
me to help a bunch of young men that you
don't even know, to make up for those guys you
let down all those years ago. And he said, to
go through what we're going to put you through in
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two days to make this team, you're going to have
to have a tremendous amount of desire. But he said,
you know, I could see it in your eyes, I
can hear it in your voice. You've probably got more
desire than a kid we've got on this team. You
be here August twelfth. I'm gonna give you a chance
to make this football team. So that's how it all started.
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I get back and I said, I ain't, honey. Listen,
we're going back college. We're moving down to Texas and
coach is gonna give me a chance to make this team.
And she said, I cannot believe, at fifty nine years
old that you want to go back and try to
play college football. I feel like I'm married to Peter Pan.
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And then it hit me that I had never shared
with her. I had never told her. And I set
her down and I said, you know, Ilean, I've lived
over half my life with regret over a mistake that
I made, and now coach is going give me an
opportunity to rewrite that last chapter and my athletic career,
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and I've got to try. I very well may not
make the team, but for me to have an opportunity
to go and make that team and not take it,
for me, that'd be worse than getting kicked out the
first time and then to live the rest of my
life asking myself, what if, what if I could have
made that team. I've got to go try, And she
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said I had no idea. She said, okay, let's go
play football. In two thousand and nine, after all went
back to play. I was asked to be on the
Joni Show in Dallas. I was there in Dallas and
I told the story about thinking about committing suicide but
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then making a profession of faith in Christ and how
it changed my life. Several months later, after the Joni Show,
I'm back in Franklin, Tennessee, where I live now, and
I'm in a restaurant and I'm at a table with
several other guys. We're in a meeting, some guys from
our church, and this guy walks up standing beside our table.
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I can tell through peripheral vision he's staring at me,
and I'm thinking, well, he recognizes me from church or somewhere,
and he's trying to place me. And I looked at
him and smiled, and he said, are you Mike And
I said yeah, and I stood up and shook hands
with him, and he said, oh my gosh, he said,
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I cannot believe that I'm meeting you. He said, I
just moved here from California a couple of weeks ago.
He said, I just I have to tell you that
you played a part in saving my life. And I
I said what he said, I had put a hose
in the tailpipe of my car in the garage, and
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I had gone out and put the hose into the
driver's side of the car. And I came back in
the house and the TV was on and the Joni
Show was on, and you were on there and you
were talking about how you contemplated suicide, but then you
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poured out your heart to God, made a profession of
faith in Christ, and He saved you. And he said,
I just thought, God, if you do it for Mike,
you do it for me. And he said, I just
needed you to know that you played a part and
saving my life. It just blew me away. It was
an incredible reinforcement or encouragement of me sharing weaknesses in
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my life, areas that I have struggled, and not out
of pride, but keep those things hidden their secret, because
so many people need to know that somebody else has
overcome that and that Christ was there and they can
take that same concern of same weaknesses to him and
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know that if he did it for Mike, he'd do
it for anybody.
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To learn more about Mike Flint, visit www dot Mike
Flint dot com if you'd like to hear more stories
about allowing God to rewrite your story. Check out our
interview with Rosy Rivero. Next time on the Jesus Calling podcast,
we'll hear from singer Stephen mcquarter who shares about growing
up as a preacher's kid and the turn his life
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took when he became a mathetict and how he found
forgiveness through the healing power of music.
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You know, there is something truly powerful on the other
side of forgiveness. It's not about reciprocation. Somebody made us
not say to you, well, I'm asking for your forgiveness,
but you have the ability to tear up the dead
and throw it away, and that's real freedom, that's real restoration.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
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