#733 David Plourde: 🧬 Cracking the Weight Loss Puzzle: Science vs. Myths

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JP (00:00):
um to Dr. David Pardet.

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appreciate it Tell me exactly

David Plourde, Ph.D. (00:13):
Yeah, so, um you know, I'm a scientist. I

JP (00:25):
Hmm.

So the motorcycle for me represents
And, youknow, when I was doing my

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And so asa health care provider, you need

JP (00:55):
Hmm.

And so part of that is my motorcycle.

JP (01:05):
hey

And I'm not reckless. I take as many

JP (01:20):
It's nice though, because you don't have your cell phone

you

JP (01:27):
I mean, that i have a couple of activities that do that for
Yeah, I used to ride a bike.
I used to have a motorcycle when

Yeah, sure.

JP (01:44):
Not many motorcycle people would.

Uh-huh.

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ah

Right.

JP (01:48):
but And I love that. The biggest problem, of course,

That's right.

JP (01:57):
That's the problem.

Yeah.
Absolutely. Yeah.

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scary because they're looking for a big vehicle in

do

JP (02:05):
They're not looking for that there. And I've seen some pretty

100%.
Yeah. yeah You know, I think

JP (02:29):
Hmm.

I'm a big believer in meditation and

JP (02:55):
Yeah.

And so, yeah. Yeah.

JP (02:58):
It's important for people to have that. What's the difference

Yeah, so when I say meditation, and a lot

JP (03:11):
hmm hmm

My favorite version of the Bible is

JP (03:22):
hmm

So the whole story comes alive. But I
know, Ithink rest is a big part of my

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My practice hours are totally

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Hmm.

Yeah. Noon to about 630. My mornings are

JP (04:04):
Wow.

ah So when I walk into the Institute, you

JP (04:19):
Hmm.

His book, The Seven Habits of Highly

JP (04:21):
Yeah.

Habit seven is sharpen the saw. So i

JP (04:28):
and

Yeah, absolutely.

JP (04:32):
And what what role does spirituality play in your life?

Yeah. So my brother inspired me on so

JP (04:42):
Hmm.

he We were raised Catholic and I always

JP (04:52):
Hmm.
transformed. I mean, I just, I,Uh, uh,
you know, but, but something was

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wow

Uh, my dad grew up in the, uh, in during

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But mybrother crept through that and
finishingup my undergraduate experience

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And rightaround my junior year of

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Hmm.

But yeah, ah so I've come full circle. So

JP (06:37):
Wow.

Yeah.
Yeah.

JP (06:39):
tell Tell me about this spiritual event that took place

Yeah. So my my story, I was a competitive

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But all mypeers were world champions. I

JP (07:27):
Whoa.

And it was so severe. And keep in mind, I'd
And, youknow, I charmed my teachers all

JP (07:45):
Whoa.

My teachers liked me. I was just a
I was thestrongest guy on the college

JP (08:07):
who

um But it kept getting worse because my
Always astraight-A student, you know,

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I forcedmyself to read the book. I read

JP (08:44):
Wow. Wow.

get to because i i my reading

JP (08:59):
wow

My reading comprehension was perfect.
it stunnedme in such a positive way I knew

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And so Imade an about face. I made an
And my life had been profoundlyThey said,

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why not? So I ran a weight lossi walked
into this beautiful office that

JP (10:20):
wow

This was, this was a new calling in my
I, I, I, Ientered into a PhD program,

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And and noI didn't even know it was a

JP (10:47):
Hmm.

It was so profound. But so I've i've spent

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And it'sbeen it's been an incredible

JP (11:28):
Hmm.

Yeah, it's been great. i thoroughly enjoy

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and And soour goal is to help that part of

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o

We go back to using if we don't find

JP (12:34):
How is food, how can food be an addiction to those who don't

Yeah. So um any addiction, whether it's

JP (12:51):
Hmm.

So um when a person feels mentally,

JP (13:08):
Hmm.

And when we reach for sugar or we reach

JP (13:18):
Hmm.

And that dopamine changes our physical,
So um youknow along the way, very early

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And thatwas a life-changing story. but
You know,what it is is if' we're chasing

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How doesreworking your interior life,
I teachthe 12 steps of Alcoholics

JP (14:36):
Hmm.

And it's fascinating. And I've had many
And what'sinteresting, Joey, is that the

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really

Yeah, yeah. And so, you know, um the
Step threeis I made a decision to but we

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just need to learn how to get

JP (15:57):
Really?

Yeah, yeah.

JP (15:59):
and That's a very non- scientific approach, doctor, the

Yes, it is. Well, what's interesting is

JP (16:10):
Okay.

And... um So, you know, the the reality is

JP (16:27):
me

And, you know, I don't mean to be
um in Insobriety, and I know this

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But manyof my clients and friends who've

JP (17:13):
Really?

and Only about 5% of people that get

JP (17:13):
Oh.

And when you read the published

JP (17:25):
Hmm.

That's always been a very difficult
As a clinician, i you know I canBut at the

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end of the day, I can't want it

JP (17:55):
Yeah. I mean, cause generally speaking, you know,

Yeah, it's really complex physiology. um
He's he or she is very educated.

JP (18:20):
Hmm. Hmm.

They usually run a business, own a
They'vetried several diet books.

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And ithelps them to get on track. but
So normalbody fat for ah for an adult

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It's, ah Idon't know how deep you want to
But whatever a person's body fatOne liter

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bottle of water weighs exactly

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Kilogram, yeah.

A normal fat cell is a, ready for this,

JP (20:30):
Wow.

A normal, a liter bottle of water weighs
and it's athousandth of a milligram.

JP (20:49):
Wow.

Fat cells are very small, but a normal fat

JP (20:55):
Hmm.

If you extract fat cells from people
Theheaviest fat cell in an obese

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Well, fatcell weight can only double.
ah hundredpound gain divided by the twenty

JP (21:45):
Jeez.

So if a person has a 200 or a 300 or a

JP (21:54):
she

The first kind is called adipocyte
But in thecase of the male that has 25

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It justmeans the body's manufacturing

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So part ofpart of my fascination as a

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When shewas 16 years old, you know she'd
She had 18% body fat. So she hadSo she had

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increase in fat just under 118

JP (23:55):
hmm

so she had an increase in body fat of just

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I was thefirst person in the world to ah
and about six months

JP (24:33):
Wow.

And strangely at that moment, Joey,

JP (24:54):
wow

ah She maintained that body fat level
I mean,she really loved the program,

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So if aman came to me with a peak fat
And I sawthis hundreds of times. So I

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ah They'relike a balloon. And they can
um and andthen reading what Dr. Hersh had

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Because ofwhat I realized had happened,
And whenshe got down to 70 pounds of

JP (26:50):
Oh.

But I'd have to test that. So that was

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and And soit was a great team of people.
And thegoal was to figure out, you

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And withthe help of this team of So it's
it's quite complex physiology,And in an

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effort, the car is actuallyAnd of

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course, exercise plays a bigAnd the

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type of exercise, the frequency,And so
without having a scientific andtriggering the feeding centers

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My book,Solving the Weight Loss Puzzle,

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So in the case of the one woman, I'm afraid I forgot her

and so So I want
to explain something. There'sAnd they

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were they were deprived of food.
The fatcomes from your fat cells. And

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ah This isa metabolic pathway that occurs

JP (31:37):
you

And anaerobic means without air. So
They'renormal. okay But there's another

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It'scalled gluconeogenesis. It's

JP (32:14):
Yeah.

Their muscles had been completely
So if aperson decides to withhold

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So what i'm saying is this,

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Hmm.

We help people lose fat. and And I

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Hmm.

the brain will allow about a 70% reduction
So extremeperiods between eating, that

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So the approach, if it's if it'sthe brain
doesn't feel threatened and itAnd it was

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it was incredibly stressful. Iah You
know, you're held to the highestI've seen

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things that border on the

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really

It's very gratifying for me professionally
These areoverweight executives, leaders

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But at 70,he weighs 30 pounds less than

JP (35:43):
Wow.

And what's happened is, you know, is

JP (35:55):
Mm-hmm.

you know, and that's the cool thing that I

JP (36:11):
Here's the thing. You don't see many 70-year-olds that are

Yeah, that's right. Yeah, so I'm
ah Youknow, semaglutide, these are the

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Andthere's there's many more coming
and ahthey are what we call glucagon

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Nowinsulin is a hormone that comes
Soglucagon raises your blood sugar

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But theside effect of the glutegon
So what happens is when we eatthe

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stomach is full, there's a nerveSo when
food sits for very long periodsWhat happens is the body then

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and And this is confirmed in the

JP (39:17):
Thank you.

We're in a calorie deficit, the body's
But the other thing that's quite

JP (39:59):
Ugh.

um One of the big problems with these
And that'sbecause, again, the entire

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Now bilesalt helps you to chemically
And itreleases the bile salt into the

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And if thegallstone is too big, it won't

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And it'sit meets at this thing called
And thisis this causes pancreatitis,

JP (41:37):
Hmm.

Just as gallstones and a gallbladder
so So tosummarize, 13% of people that

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up to Upto 40% of the weight loss can

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A lot ofthese drugs have been approved
come backbecause that alleviation of

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And it's,it horrifies people because they
She wenton one of these weight loss

JP (43:13):
well

She had to stop taking it, she couldn't

JP (43:26):
Really?

Yeah, because they feel completely out
but But ifyou don't stay on that drug, the

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At thatexact second in the lower left-

JP (43:52):
Jesus. Mm-hmm.

So there's there's it's quite a

JP (43:59):
Hmm.

But if you're not a type 2 diabetic and
I've beenteaching people how to lose fat
withouthunger for three decades. has to

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And sopeople can lose fat without
And we'vebeen we've been helping people

JP (44:56):
we got it I heard you talk about the CEO at a sandwich shop

so but Yeah,
I wrote a chapter in my bookthink he
was like 5'6 5'7. The weight of

JP (45:35):
Oh my goodness.

And um anyway, we had great rapport. He
I'd loveto pick your brain about sales

JP (45:57):
Mm-hmm.

It's a national franchise. And So we're
We sit down and I'm asking himAnd so

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when people follow our program,Yet, while
we were in the lab, his fat

JP (46:54):
Hmm.

So I called the lady who was the
But Iwanted to mention that I think,

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And I'mnot angry. I'm not sick. I'm
She said,no problem. She goes back to the

JP (47:37):
Yeah.

She comes back to the phone. I'm expecting

JP (47:42):
Sure, check it.

Chicken roast. Yeah.

JP (47:43):
Yeah, sure.

No, no, no, no, no. She read a whole

JP (47:57):
Mm.

So what I learned about this this national

JP (48:06):
Mm.

It's engineered to look like a
But you'reyou're ingesting a high amount

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yeah

And I said, thank you.

JP (48:28):
Yeah.

I said, this has been invaluable. And by
um I'mexpecting she's going to say

JP (48:42):
Milk. Sure. Yeah.

Milk, salt, enzymes, and color are the

JP (48:45):
Yeah.

Nope.

JP (48:49):
Yeah. And she didn't even know probably in her defense,

she own and she She was just a franchise

JP (48:54):
Yeah. Right, right.

So like she read the ingredients, milk,

JP (49:02):
Oh, yeah.

Well, powdered cellulose is a code
So i'm ahI'm a cheese manufacturer. When

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So industry-wide, whether you're

JP (49:48):
wow

and it doesn't get stuck. But you can't

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And by theway, since I've got you on the
She goesto the kitchen, comes back, I'm

JP (50:34):
Yeah, but what kind of oil?

It was oil, vinegar, and spices, but

JP (50:53):
Hey.

His body surged insulin and it it

JP (51:02):
Amazing.

And in a profound suppression, the fat
And thiswas the day the lights went on

JP (51:28):
Sure. Boar's head. Yeah.

um It doesn't matter. They all have

JP (51:40):
Hmm. Hmm. Hmm.
wow

And it affects the metabolic pathways
you Youmight as well have bought a sack

JP (52:04):
Right.

And so i was looking for patterns, and

JP (52:15):
Mm.

but the insidious. these carbohydrate

JP (52:27):
Mm. Mm.

and And so i'm I'm working on another book

JP (52:53):
Mm-hmm.

And how did it play into what the brain
You know,at what point does the yellow

JP (53:36):
i've In the last year, two years, i've become a notorious

Oh, good.

JP (53:49):
you know all the when i When my now ex-wife was pregnant,

So... and

JP (53:56):
give it And now, of course, we realize we don't want to – it

so

JP (54:11):
Doctor, has there been anything in the last month or

You clicked out for a second. Can

JP (54:21):
Sure. Is there been anything in real recent history last

Regarding what?

JP (54:29):
Anything.

Anything?
That's a good question.

JP (54:33):
Anything.

Let me think about that.
You know, it's interesting.
You know,I'm i'm um'm a clinician.
i I'vebattled, you know, professional

JP (55:05):
Yes.

And I'm, I was taking a look at the passage
We lose our sense of meaning.

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And it'sreally helped me to refocus on
you knowFor the last 34 years, I've

JP (55:42):
Hmm.

I just started a new company. It's a

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And so ah I went on to develop ato bring

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the method to the world. I've

JP (56:49):
Yeah.

I've done you millions of dollars of pro

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And sothat's what I've decided to do
The courseis something I'm really proud

JP (57:36):
Hmm.

and in It was an idea in 2023. And I And I
tried several times. so I'dJust a

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fantastic guy. And he told me

JP (58:15):
Hmm.

And I remember, I'm like, huh. You
You reallywant me to give all this stuff

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It's time.
I want you to write your bookShe's ah
an exercise scientist inyou know i

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wrote every day for about a year

JP (59:15):
Hmm.

Publishing team around me, fantastic And it
frankly, it was exhaustion. My

JP (59:35):
Hmm.

And on September 12th, I felt like I
solvingthe weight loss puzzle. um But

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And withtools, these are the best tools.
compared to this.

JP (01:00:23):
Really?

David Plourde, Ph.D. (01:00:23):
Yeah, because you're writing to a

JP (01:00:26):
Right, right.

But when you write a book for the for the
But thisnew this new company, the Pleur

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You know,when you've done something a
And it'sbeen hard, I'll tell you. But

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Our firstbeta tester was a lady from

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So shechecked all the boxes and so she
And we didtest her in the lab to make sure

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yeah Butthe answer is leveraging

JP (01:02:14):
That's right.

So, you know, I go back to your and And

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this is kind of like the intro

JP (01:02:58):
Hmm.

So it's...
So that's that's what you knowAnd she

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encouraged me. She kept me. Sheah we We
brought it investors for the

JP (01:03:49):
It's ah comforting to hear gratitude. it's ah

It's perfect new company.

JP (01:03:53):
Nice. So I started my my company in the 90s, David, and I
And you know I've been anathlete all my life, still am,

sure but it

JP (01:04:15):
So I'm in front im front of the doctor and she tells me I'm

Right.

JP (01:04:22):
I shouldn't say I had no idea. I knew I had gained weight

right

JP (01:04:40):
So my daughter was just born. And ah you know I'm
i can abuse myself all Iwant. But I have this family now

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So I spent the next six,seven months, lost about 120

David Plourde, Ph.D (01:05:13):
incredible.

JP (01:05:14):
These are lifelong changes.
You know, I mean, you, you tellI lost the weight and now i
can go, and you can't look at it

Yes.

JP (01:05:29):
So when I tell people this, the quick question, what's your

right who who

JP (01:05:34):
And there's no secret.
Discipline, right?

who

JP (01:05:36):
I got motivation, you know routine, willpower, et cetera.

no

JP (01:05:41):
How does discipline play a role in your life?

you know, that's a great question. And I'm

JP (01:06:00):
Wow.

Without pain, there's no psychological

JP (01:06:13):
oh

And if their pain level isn't to a high

JP (01:06:18):
wow

We will turn people away. In fact, for
if if Ifthe pain level not high enough,

JP (01:06:41):
Yeah. Yeah.

Man, that was a punch in the gut, right?

JP (01:06:54):
yeah

And and that was a defining moment.
They maybehave a fatty liver. They are in
you knowthey're They're suffering. They

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you know

JP (01:07:23):
Hmm. Hmm. Hmm.

It's like people feel... a level of
And whathappens for people who engage

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It's sadthat most people in science or

JP (01:08:05):
Hmm.

So we harness the pain towards a
Withouthope, there's nothing, right?

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And thenhope, and then motivation, and
We never exaggerate.

JP (01:08:48):
Hmm. Hmm.

So what happens is after the first month
Whathappens? They've got more hope,

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And thenon the platform, they can see it
But that'sthe those are the ah sequences.

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You know,my brother taught me the
And and Iwas dead set on that. You know,

JP (01:10:03):
big state.

So as a freshman in high school, I write
it's achapter on faith. And anyway, as

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And wewent to the mat and when we went

JP (01:10:33):
Whoa.

My elbow literally snapped off backwards
And the doctor, Dr. O'Neill, theAnd I

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choked up and I said, hey, doc,My dad
winked at me and said, okay, I

JP (01:11:22):
Hmm.

We're going to go back to the high

JP (01:11:23):
Hmm.

We went straight home. I did my first

JP (01:11:36):
Hmm.

By the time, the end of freshman year,
But I setgoals. And by the time I was a

JP (01:11:58):
Amrita

And what I learned, Joey, is all of the

JP (01:12:10):
D. hmm.

So when i realized what my true calling
And it'smy passion. And I found my my

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But Iwould say that those lessons my

JP (01:12:46):
Hmm.

my My dad, we we lived in a nice house in a
And we mydad put this huge chalkboard on

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Andremember my senior year, um you
And Iwould stand in front of that

JP (01:13:21):
Hmm. Hmm.

i would look at that that number on the
And Istumbled across a mystery of the

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Uh, it's astory. Jesus tells, uh, a man
Uh, andthey couldn't do it. So he's

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And Ibrought him to your disciples.
Bring theboy to me. And so he casts out

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And Jesussays, because you had so little

JP (01:14:46):
Right.

You know, the idea of faith, all you
So when wehave faith, we speak. We speak

JP (01:15:11):
Hmm.

with authority and the obstacle

JP (01:15:12):
Hmm.

I've had obstacles my whole life, And all
you need is a mustard seed, butAnd, you

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know, if if you ask me a

JP (01:15:59):
you

Because when you say yes, with all your
It's thediscipline of goal setting and

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What'sinteresting about that is when I

JP (01:16:39):
Hmm.

I lost sight of it. And, you know,
And inthat, you get focused and you

JP (01:17:02):
Sure does. Well said. It's wonderful when you get it at

hit I'm going to get

JP (01:17:09):
Your brother did you a you a enormous gift with that.

to the next day.

JP (01:17:14):
It's amazing. i've I've talked to many people and I

pi and

JP (01:17:24):
I love what you're doing, doctor. Obesity, overweightness,

so

JP (01:17:34):
We have to fight against it, and we have to perhaps use a
Thank you so much for yourtime today, doctor. So if

Yeah, so I have an intake department. It's
ah Theplatform that's going live very

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andregister and there's an intro
um Andthen there's a questionnaire and

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It wasreally developed for overweight,

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The platform will also defineCool.

JP (01:19:41):
Currently, you can go to the PluridayInstitute.com to get

that is That is correct.

JP (01:19:45):
Yeah.

And then my personal email is dp, for

JP (01:20:03):
P-L-O-U-R-D-E.

Yes, sir.

JP (01:20:08):
Thank you so much for your time today. Next time I'm in the

Joey, I would love it. i've thoroughly

JP (01:20:21):
You be well.

All right.

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