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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I think the third
thing is I give an actual
timeline of like from the timeyou decide I'm going to move, a
checklist of ID, bank account,this, this, like.
I literally lay out the stepsof what you need to do if you're
going to relocate, sodetermining if you're going to
visit or you want to movepermanently.
You know whether it's a year ortwo years.
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The second thing is that guideon asking questions when renting
a home in ghana.
That in itself is worth thebook.
And then the third thing, thatchecklist.
I tell you exactly what youneed to do from start to finish,
when you want to idealize themove, to actually executing the
move.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Okay, so I'll tell
you something right, there's a
couple that spoke to me um sometime back and the man had been,
you know, talking to someoneabout a land in ghana.
And then, you know, the agentsaid oh, there's a beautiful
land in a brie.
You know the family paid for it, you know they paid for
everything and then he got theland.
Now the time comes when the,the husband and wife, were
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coming to ghana for holidays, sothey decided to go and have a
look at the land, not knowingthat is way away from a breed
somewhere in mapong.
When the woman got there, hesaid this is the land you bought
.
You know, if this is the land,then I'm not interested.
So now they had to go back,find another money to come and
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buy, you know, another land forthe family.
So it's very important that youtake some of the tips that you,
you know Tim is gonna give youon your move to Ghana.
Fantastic.
Now let's talk about the wahala, some of the wahalas that
you've had ah, ha, ha, ha, ha,ha, ha, ha, ha ha.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Where do you want to
start?
Let me say, the biggest wahalais, I think, adjusting my mind,
because I love the continent somuch that, again, I see it as, I
see it as a place of refuge, Isee it as a place of destiny and
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I see it as a place of refuge.
I see it as a place of destinyand I see it as a place of
legacy and, with that in mind, Ithink that again, like the
example of having a brother orsister with so much potential,
and it's like you see them andyou see them doing foolish
things, you're like ah, you'reso smart, how are you doing
these things?
The biggest wahala is my mindof like when I look at Ghana
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right, and I go back to even howwe've had these pan-African
connections.
You know, dr Martin Luther Kingwas there at the inauguration
when Nkrumah right was beinginstalled, as you know, the
first president of the Republicof Ghana, you know, on this day,
right in 1957.
When you look at people likeWEB Du Bois, who was a prolific
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activist, leader, scholar, innot just black America but in
history, and how he relocated toGhana right, he's buried here
today.
So there's been these linkagesbecause people have seen
something that's reallysignificant.
So for me, the biggest Wahala iswhen I look at the country of
Ghana and I see what it could be.
But then you see some of thefoolishness, the basics for
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example, our education systemand you look at how some of our
children are graduating fromuniversity, the practical skills
like critical thinking, takinginitiative, being able to do
research, and they paid all ofthis money for a university
degree but they don't know howto do anything.
It's disappointing when youlook at some of our schools,
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even within a crowd, and you gothere and you see the state of
the school and oftentimes it'sdeplorable.
You understand.
Those are the types of wahalasthat really make me feel a
certain way.
It's not the person cheating mefor five cities, ten cities.
I know how to navigate this.
It's not the police officer whowants to—me.
I know how to navigate this.
It's not the police officer whowants to me.
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I know how to navigate thesethings.
It's the bigger issues thatimpact not just
African-Americans or Boga orBrunies, but it's the issues
that impact us as citizens ofthe continent and as citizens of
the world.
So these are the wahalas that Ilook at that really burden my
soul of like how can we dosomething about these things?
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You get me.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
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I was at the office yesterdayand where I had not been there
for like three months and theyemployed two more people.
The manager did that I wasn'taware of because the workload
was, you know, going up.
And you know, in the meeting Isaid you know what?
I want to take two of you to myoffice to do, you know, some
product management for thecompany.
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And these ladies came.
So we had a discussion.
I put two laptops in front ofthem, started showing them they
didn't even know where the startbutton is.
They do, hmm.
Now, at this point I was likeokay, do you think you guys can
do this?
This was the point they allsaid now, we can't.
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We just realized that we don'thave the skills and I said are
you willing to learn?
I can teach you.
Mm-hmm.
These times I'm talking to a 28year old and a 34 year old
mm-hmm and they don't know howto use a computer.
So it took a lot of work and alot of mental programming to
make them understand that whatI'm teaching them is what they
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missed out about 20 years agoyou get me.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
That's the thing,
that's the wahala that saddens
my soul when I look at how manyof our youth, if we want to talk
about that's not our cultureand this and this and that,
let's, let's get down and talkabout it.
When we talk about even thingslike discipline, sometimes we
laugh at how certain peopletreat their children, but I
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asked myself if this is ourculture, the way we do certain
things not all things, butcertain things, even the way
sometimes we beat our children,all of these things shut up, you
just listen, you don't have tosay anything in this house.
All of these types of ways.
What does it actually producewhen someone who's 28, who may
have a university degree, youunderstand, who knows how to say
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yes, I know, sir, yes mommy,yes, daddy, and there's nothing
wrong with respect, though, butyou've beaten the identity out
of them.
So now, when it comes to evenlearning how to speak up for
themselves, to ask questions andall of these things, they don't
know how to do it.
You go to them, you give theman opportunity.
Okay, what questions do youhave?
You have an opportunity,opportunity, oh, we don't have
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any questions about anything.
No, sir, you are their boss, soyou are supposed to tell us
what to do?
Hey, are you sure?
But then how can you compete ina global market?
The reality is, the skills thatyou're learning today Was the
skills that most of the worldhas learned 20 years ago.
That's the wahala that saddensmy soul.
So now, just to take the timeto catch you up by While the
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world is going here.
So, and it's because of the wayyou look at, our education
system is true and poor.
It's be seen and not heard, allof these things.
So even that's why we have theNGO Indy Daso, right, we partner
.
We partner with folks who'vebeen in the trenches, right,
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those Ghanaians, those Africanswho've been in the trenches, who
understand the education system, who are working to change it.
We partner with thoseindividuals to bring different
sets of skills.
The thing that we bring that'sa little bit different is the
identity piece, becausesometimes we just bring the
skills where we don't bring theidentity.
When you liberate the Africanmind, then you can transform the
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world, because what good doesit do to have someone who's a
millionaire but they still seeeverything in Africa as inferior
?
What would that person do whenit's time for them to set up a
business.
Now, granted, I empathize withbusiness folks here, because
when you talk about distributionand like, it can get difficult,
but when you talk about someonewho may be in a position of
authority and power, now you'rea millionaire, but you don't see
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.
You see, everything in Africais inferior Everything.
So now you won't take the timeto empower local artisans, you
won't take the time to even hirepeople and train them.
You will buy things.
You will take your money andbuy house and car from the US or
the UK.
So what's the purpose ofteaching you all these skills if
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it doesn't translate back tothe continent to help other
people?
So for us, we focus on identityteaching you that you know.
When you look at, for example,timbuktu, people came from all
over the world to be trained inmath and science.
Those were Africans, thesefolks who build the pyramids,
scientists to today, with PhDs,are still trying to manage.
How did they do it?
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Even to the point where peoplewho have PhDs will say that it
was built by extraterrestrials.
Less than three percent of thepopulation in the US have a PhD.
So this is the most educatedpeople who cannot ascertain that
Africans have built a systemand a structure that is so
sophisticated that it is stillstanding to this day.
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So we will ascribeextraterrestrials who have done
it, you understand.
So when you help some of theseyoung Africans that we empower,
understand that this is yourlineage, right, as you've
mentioned right.
Sometimes from birth we areprogrammed to believe that
Africa is inferior, the wholecontinent is inferior and the
West is superior.
But we have to reverse that andwe have to show them the beauty
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of Ghana first.
You know, sometimes people havenever left their region, and I
understand why.
And that's the same thing inmost parts of the world.
In the US, the average personwho lives in an underdeveloped,
poor neighborhood only travelsabout 15 miles outside of where
they live.
That's what research says.
So it's just not a phenomenonthat's unique to Ghana.
It's a phenomenon that happensaround.
So we first try to help themunderstand your lineage of where
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you come from.
As an African, you have beengreat throughout history.
Here's some beauty about Ghana.
So we start reshaping your mind.
Then we teach you, as we'reteaching you business now.
We teach you to do things withexcellence, not just anyhow,
because now, when you do it withexcellence already, you're
going to be way above most ofyour peers.
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Now you can charge more becauseyou have an excellent product
and you do excellent servicethat you can deliver on.
So it's going to help meet youreconomic need.
It's going to help meet a needin the marketplace and it's
going to help you reinvest in acommunity because you there's
somebody like you that's waitingon you to do something about
the problems that you saw.
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You get me.
So for me, it's all about howcan we help people to be the
next generation of leaders thatwe complain about right now,
today you think even the localguardians have got identity
problems absolutely 1,000percent, 1,000 percent, 1,000
percent.
Oh, not all, not most, but a lot.
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What makes you say it?
Look at the way we're trainedin school.
You, even you.
I don't know what you said intree, right, but there's an old
phrase that says that if you'reon your way to church and you
see a white man, you can go homebecause you've seen God.
Mm, hmm.
So there's a theologian by thename of Dr William Augustus
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Jones.
He said that our theologydetermines our anthropology and
our anthropology determines oursociology.
So this is what it means theway we see God determines how we
see each other, and how we seeeach other determines how we
structure our society.
See each other determines howwe structure our society.
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So if I see God as someone thatdoesn't look like me as a
European right, that's going todetermine how I treat my fellow
black man and how I treat theO'Bruny when he comes, you
understand?
So if the way I'm treating myfellow black man in O'Bruny when
he comes is like this, that'sgoing to determine how I
structure my business, how Istructure my communities, how I
set up my fares and my taxi,when I charge O'Brindy this
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price versus the other person.
All of these things is stemmedon how we see each other.
So when you ask the question,absolutely a lot of us have this
problem.
Even if you go to our educationsystem right, our education
system is still the britishcurriculum.
That does not reinforce africanheritage, lineage and pride.
Even if you look at a lot ofour commercials and adverts on
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television, it really there's asubconscious, you know messaging
, that says that we're, thatwe're inferior, and we and we
believe it when we come together.
Oh, that's how we do in Ghana.
Things are inferior.
Oh, we don't have to do thingswith excellence.
That's not everyone youunderstand, but the idea is that
we're Africans.
What can we do?
I even have one of my, myindividuals.
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Again, it depends on educationand exposure, how you see
yourself and how you see theworld.
But if you talk, you talk aboutaverage Ghanaians.
I've had conversations, forexample, average people who are
28, 30 years old but relativelyno education, maybe just they've
graduated SHS but haven't beenexposed to just different types
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of people, and they've saidthings to me like you know, you
know, even you know.
We talk about a child, a whiteman, telling these people they
are so smart to us Africans.
What can we do?
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Wow.