May 13, 2026 • 41 mins
What happens when a season ends and you’re left asking the question so many leaders face: Now what? Jacqueline Clements shares how her path moved from performing on stage as a child, to years of focused motherhood and homeschooling, to stepping back into media and producing purpose-driven storytelling with her husband through major shifts like COVID.
We dig into the leadership practices that made that reinvention possible. Jacqueline breaks down why she chooses to lead with intention rather than impulse, how kindness sets you apart in an unkind world, and why deep listening is one of the most practical leadership skills we can build. We also get candid about failure, pride, and the moment you realize you walked into rooms with the wrong posture, then the long work of becoming grounded and humble again.
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SPEAKER_01 (00:06):
Welcome to the Leader Impact Podcast.
We are a community of leaderswith a network in over 350
cities around the worlddedicated to optimizing our
personal, professional, andspiritual lives to have impact.
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website at leaderimpact.com.
I'm your host, Lisa Peters, andour guest today is Jacqueline
Clements.
Jacqueline is the national TVhost of Legacy Makers with
Jaclyn, a storyteller andcommunicator who helps people
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navigate seasons of change withwisdom and hope.
She and her husband of 37 yearsco-own TCF4 Productions, a media
company dedicated to meaningful,purpose-driven, life-inspired
storytelling.
A mother to two grown sons and agrandmother to seven, she is
currently in development of herupcoming book, Becoming.
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Jacqueline believes deeply inthe power of story and the
strength of kindness.
And she holds this motto close: you are never too old or too (01:14):
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young to start something new.
Welcome to the show, Jacqueline.
SPEAKER_02 (01:23):
Oh, Lisa, thank you so much for having me.
It's so good to be here withyou.
And I just can't believe we getto spend the next little bit
together.
SPEAKER_01 (01:31):
I know.
You know, I'm gonna tell ourguests the last time we met, um,
I was sitting at we met atanother conference where I was a
facilitator, you were on mypanel, and um I'm a really tall
woman.
I'm six feet.
You are not.
And I was sitting down, andJacqueline walks up, and I get
up, and I think you flewbackwards.
You were like, oh my, and thenyou looked at my shoes, and then
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you laughed, and then youapologize.
I had to tell that.
It was it was this moment I'llnever forget, and I loved it,
and we laughed, and we'll bebest friends forever.
SPEAKER_02 (02:02):
Oh my goodness.
You know, Lisa, I had forgottenuntil you just started telling
that story.
And I'm like, those are justthose are moments as we talk
about my story that just keep mehumble.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (02:18):
Oh, well, yeah, and I probably had even heels on, so
I was 6'2.
And so anyway, thank you.
I turned to my husband and said,I think I have height envy with
Lisa.
That's funny.
That it was it was an awesomeday.
So it was just a fantastic day.
So thanks for joining us andbeing part of this.
Um I have thought about you manytimes, so I'm excited to have
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you.
SPEAKER_02 (02:42):
Thank you.
I'm so happy to be here.
unknown (02:44):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (02:45):
So we talk a lot about legacy, and I know you do
on your show.
You are legacy makers withJacqueline.
So um, I want to hear a bit,we're gonna get into that when
we end, but a little bit aboutyour professional story.
Um, how did you get to where youare today?
And really we're kind of lookingfor that pivotal moment of uh
the journey.
So love to hear about it.
SPEAKER_02 (03:05):
Yeah, I'm so happy to tell you my story.
You know, I stepped onto thestage when I was three years old
with my family.
We had a touring music group,and uh I've been telling stories
ever since then.
That early love for performingon stage has carried me to
acting events and live events,and even you're going to laugh,
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even a short-lived modelingcareer.
Yeah, they they liked me untilthey realized I wasn't growing
anymore.
You know, heights have limits,but I'm so thankful that purpose
doesn't.
Yeah, good one.
Oh, you know, you talk about umthose pivotal, maybe those key
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turning moments.
And you know, I have a I have acouple in my life, and one major
turning point came.
Uh, I I chose when we first gotmarried to be a stay-at-home
mom, a full-time stay-at-homemom.
And I don't, there's no regretsin my life over that.
And it was a decision I madewith joy.
And, you know, I did work tohelp, you know, supplement our
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income, of course, but when Iwent to work, it was always at a
time when my husband was goingto be home with our our children
because family was such a hugepriority to us, and it still is.
But you know, through the yearsof my children growing, and I
homeschooled for five years orso, and and we did a
(04:37):
cross-country move, we uprootedeverything, and you know, all
through that, uh, we were ableto get our boys to graduate
successfully from grade 12, andwe were so happy.
But, you know, Lisa, I foundmyself at that moment.
I was standing in the kitchen,I'll never forget the place
where I was.
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And I was standing there, and Ijust said, now what, God?
I felt so lost.
I feel that.
Yeah, right.
I a lot of moms do when they'vecome through different seasons
in their life and they're like,it's changing, now what?
And I just remember that theLord through that, God, He just
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brought me back into theentertainment world.
And that moment of surrenderwhen I was in the kitchen and
saying, Now what, God, thatbecame the doorway to a whole
new chapter in my life.
And so, you know, that was onekey pivotal moment, key turning
point in my life.
And then there was another one.
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In 2012, my husband Bill and I,we launched our media company,
excuse me, and uh we producedtwo independent shows that
eventually aired on Prime Videoand they went around the world
on different platforms.
It was kind of crazy.
It was all, you know, back thenwhen you just didn't even know.
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We just didn't know what we weredoing.
Like it was just great.
God was so good.
And and as those projectswrapped up, we took quite a
break from production and wejust focused on family and we
focused on otherresponsibilities that we had.
And then came COVID.
And that was another turningpoint.
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Bill's company, uh um, the onethat he co-owned, uh, was
significantly impacted.
And like so many people duringthat time, we had to pivot.
And, you know, we all know likethat was the word of that season
was pivot.
And during that time, on eitherside of COVID, we produced five
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different music videos andspoken word videos.
And that really helped us easeback into production and rebuild
our creative rhythm, which wasso, so helpful.
Those those uh groups were justso gracious towards us, and we
had a lot of fun, made some goodmemories.
And then after COVID happened,uh we stepped back into media
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full time.
I stepped back in full time, andthen Bill continually was
helping me, and then his timejust grew and grew and grew, and
now we do this full time.
And we produced six TV shows,and they're all but one have
aired nationally orinternationally now.
And we do this work together,and we're we're happy, we're
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we're truly happy workingtogether.
And Bill directs the shows, andhe comes alongside, and we
produce it together.
And I know this is not the topicthat we're we're talking about
today, but it is it is a topicmaybe for another time.
But the whole topic of husbandand wives working together, you
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know, how do you work with yourspouse and do you still love
your spouse?
And at the end of the day, it'smore about do you still like
your spouse, right?
It's a hot topic, and it's a hottopic in our world with Bill and
I, because we are asked that somany times.
But like I said, it's for likeanother podcast interview,
perhaps.
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But, you know, uh, just gettingback to that pivotal moment, you
know, that journey of rebuildingour creative rhythm opened the
door to legacy makers withJacqueline.
And the national talk show thatI host is where I sit down with
leaders and the change makerswho are living with present
purpose and future hope.
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And it gives me so much joy.
I'm inspired, and I know ourguests are too, and our viewers,
right?
Uh, another thing that uh that Ido behind the scenes is I serve
as an executive producer onalmost all the media that we
create.
And that helps us see what'spossible.
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You know, Lisa, every chapter.
I started with age three, andnow I'm where I'm at right now.
And every stage, whether thatwas on stage with my family at
three, motherhood, reinvention,because I've reinvented myself,
I don't know how many times now,uh, and to national television.
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All this has been helping mefind my voice.
It's been helping me share mystory, and it's been helping me
to lead with intention.
And of course, it helps otherpeople along the way.
SPEAKER_01 (09:27):
Yeah.
I love your story, and I lovejust the understanding all the
stages have allowed you to findyour voice.
Like I can resonate with that,and I'm sure people listening
can.
I want to know when you um, Ithink it was you were you had
homeschooled your kids andyou're at this point.
I think the kids are maybe offto school and you're sitting in
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your in your kitchen and you'relike, now what, God?
And and there's been a few ofthose with COVID and the
transitions.
What was that moment like foryou?
I know what it was.
I found it all of a sudden thisvery calm came over me.
Like COVID was a big one.
It's like, now what, God?
But it was a calm.
What were you like?
Were you nervous at that pointwhen you you realized I have to
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create a life here?
Like my kids are gone.
My home's, I am, I gotta createsomething.
What was that feeling of lookingup and or you know, just now
what?
SPEAKER_02 (10:20):
Yeah, you know, that was such a humbling moment for
me.
I knew exactly what I was gonnado for 20 years.
I was a stay-at-home mom.
I was going to raise mychildren, and I always believed
when they were very young, thatI wasn't just teaching and
raising my children, I wasteaching and raising my
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grandchildren because thelessons I would teach my
children, hopefully, they wouldresonate.
They would uh receive them astheir own and they would teach
their grandchildren.
So I was always thinking aboutthe next gen.
But then I found myself in thekitchen and I'm like, uh I don't
know.
God, I don't know.
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I've taken myself out of theworkplace uh industry
situations.
I I don't even know where to go.
I don't know what to what tostart.
So was I don't know that therewas a moment of calm.
I think it was so humbling tome.
Um there were lots of tearsbecause what I didn't know then,
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that I know now, of course,hindsight, is that I was I was
about to reinvent myself.
And uh there was there was thatmoment of scared, um,
excitement, uh, courage.
Um was I gonna fail?
Uh the world was my oyster.
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Oh, wait, but I'm married and Ihave a life.
I do have a life.
I'm not single.
There were so many emotions forme.
Uh I just I think deeply, Ithink deeply about many things.
I'm such an intentional person.
So um then the next step uhwasn't just an impulse.
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It was really by intention.
SPEAKER_01 (12:11):
Yeah.
And I'm I I'm just gonna commentmotions maybe change daily.
SPEAKER_00 (12:18):
Absolutely.
SPEAKER_01 (12:19):
Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah.
Some days you are on fire andsome days it's just it's tough.
So thank you for answering that.
Um I think some people look atyou, Jaclyn, and it looks easy.
You look great now, you know.
Right?
We we think that when we look atpeople, but we don't realize we
were standing in our kitchen andwe were humbled.
We have cried, you know.
(12:40):
So just thank you for sharingthat part of the journey.
Um yeah, of course.
Yeah.
So we're gonna move on to bestprinciple of success.
If you have one, I'm sure youdo, and tell us a story that
might illustrate that.
SPEAKER_02 (12:53):
Yeah, I know you you've asked for one principle
of success, but I'm gonna giveyou two.
Um one of my core principles ofsuccess is this, and I just
mentioned it was lead withintention, not impulse.
Um, I can be spontaneous and Ican be fun and I love a good
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joke, and uh I love being withpeople, absolutely.
But 90% of what I do and how Ithink is intentional, and I
think deeply about the roomsthat I walk into and the people
I'm gonna be with and the impactthat I want to leave behind.
That the that is so, soimportant to me.
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And, you know, speaking ofrooms, pardon me, I've spent
enough in enough time in thoserooms to know that you can't
rush, that there's reacting,that there's protecting, there's
a self-protective stance thathappens in those rooms, you
know, and so kindness.
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I look at it, I take a step backand I look at it, and I think
kindness.
Kindness is another principle ofsuccess for me.
And it sounds simple, but youknow, kindness acts asks more of
us than we really realize.
Um, we live in an unkind world,right, Lisa?
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Like it it it is not a kindworld.
And that right there, thatmoment, that means that it gives
us opportunities, opportunitiesto be kind every day.
And those opportunities, theyreally set us apart.
And it opens doors.
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It can, it can open doors toconversations, but it can also
just make somebody feel for amoment that they are seen and
they are valued.
Just in that one small, simplemoment of kindness.
You open a door, you help thempick something up, you push
their cart.
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You know, it doesn't have to bea big thing, but that is truly
one of my principles of success.
Kindness asks us to slow down,to truly see people and to
respond with intention, likeI've mentioned, rather than
impulse.
And it's also, there's also apart of listening.
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And and Lisa, you and I we havethis unique opportunity to
interview people where we havebeen able to work at listening
and we do that a lot.
But listening is such a dyingart.
It just not everybody knows howto listen because they don't
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have people that listen to them.
And so if you want to understandpeople, as I circle back to the
success, if you want tounderstand people, encourage
them, leave an impact bylistening, be willing to pause
long enough to hear them and tobe kind and to be intentional.
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So those are just a couple of mysuccess, professional success
moments.
SPEAKER_01 (16:18):
And you know, in in our industry, I remember when I
first started, and it was Ithink 12 or 13 years ago with
the talk show, um, I had tolearn to listen.
I had to learn to focus in andnot be worried about the next
question.
You know, like what am I gonnaask next?
Like I was always concerned, andI and I I knew, and um I I had
to, I really had to focus on mylistening skills.
(16:40):
So I love that, and I talk aboutthat of and kindness, being kind
to someone is can be so simple,but we're you know, we are, you
know, as you said, an unkindworld.
We are not connected anymore.
Um, you know, we I'm holding outmy phone, we've got warriors who
will come at us on Facebook orany social media, and they you
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know, they don't see you face toface with they say that to you,
but they cut they can come atyou online, and we are in that
industry where people can dothat.
Um but in saying that, I don't,and I don't think you do.
I don't get a lot of peopledoing that because I don't do
that to anyone.
I'm kind, you know?
And so you talk about legacy,that's the legacy you're
leaving, is you're very kind.
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And you've raised your childrento raise your grandchildren.
SPEAKER_00 (17:25):
Like I oh, I just love your story.
SPEAKER_01 (17:30):
Oh, thank you, Lisa.
Thank you.
We're gonna move this tofailures um because we I think
we know we learn more from ourown failures than our successes.
Um, and I'm wondering if youhave something you could share,
uh, a failure or a mistake, andwhat you learned in it.
SPEAKER_02 (17:47):
You know, uh this this question about failure and
mistakes, um I just have way toomany.
That that's the truth of it.
I have way more than thansuccess.
And I was trying to think howlike how can I explain how can I
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pick one?
So what I've done is uh I I justI've kind of wrapped it into one
little box and um put a bow onit to say that one of my biggest
failures was believing that Iwas greater than I was.
Uh it wasn't intentional, it wassubtle.
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You know, um some of us, noteverybody, but some are taught
not to think of yourself greaterthan you are.
But looking back, you know, Ican see moments where I've
walked into rooms with the wrongposture.
And it was a huge fail.
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Huge.
And it taught me more than anysuccess could ever teach me,
truly.
Staying humble has really becomeone of the important lessons of
my life.
Humility isn't thinking less ofyourself, it's just thinking of
yourself less.
unknown (19:17):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (19:17):
And it's choosing to build others up, to encourage
them, to leave them better thanwhen you found them.
I've learned that realleadership isn't about being the
most impressive person in theroom because truly there is
always going to be somebodybetter, more well-spoken, looks
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better, has a better, betterworld, more money than you in
the room.
So to me, it's about beinggrounded.
It's about being self-grounded,it's about being secure with who
you are, who you've been createdwith.
And in that groundedness iswhere the security comes, that
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you can walk into the room andyou don't have to be the best at
everything.
You can stay humble, still holdthe proper posture that you
need, because you have beengifted things that that you are
in charge of and to take careof.
And so there is a posture, butit's remaining humble within
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that posture.
Yeah.
You know, I just that is so, sotruly important to me.
Yeah.
And uh, and recognizing that andcoming face to face with that in
my in my world has reallyshifted things in my job, in my
in my relationships, in my home,really how I show up every day
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in the world.
SPEAKER_01 (20:51):
And you know, I think when if people are
listening going, yeah, well, I'mnot in media, I'm not all over
the TV, I think that, and and Ijust feel this when when you get
a promotion and all of a suddenyou're the lead or you're the
president, CEO, or whateverthat, and you walk into a room
and you're like, I'm all that,people, you know.
No, you're not.
(21:11):
You were one of us yesterday.
You're still humbling that.
So I'm gonna ask you when youwalked into a room, uh okay,
first, how long have you beenback in media?
Like how many years are wetalking?
Are we 20 years?
SPEAKER_02 (21:25):
Uh I I would say in total, I've been in media about
14 to 15 years.
SPEAKER_01 (21:31):
Okay.
So when you came back, you mighthave had that, um, you know,
walking into rooms bigger thanwho you think you are.
How long has it been that you'vebeen humbled, that you kind of
walk in and and your your hearthas changed, your position.
Has it been, was it right awayor what did it take time?
You know, I because I thinkpeople want to they want to bask
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in, I'm the president, I'm thehost, uh you know.
Did it happen right away for youor was it No, no.
SPEAKER_02 (22:00):
It didn't.
No, I wish it had.
That would have just been somuch easier for me.
But some lessons, some lessonsare just hard, and you just have
to learn them.
You just have to learn them bywalking in pride and ego.
And uh you know, nobody reallylikes those things.
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No, no, we don't.
SPEAKER_03 (22:23):
We don't.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (22:26):
And so I think trying to um create isn't the
right word, but to continue tobe open to being molded into
this person that is humble andum honored and feels like life
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is really a gift.
SPEAKER_00 (22:54):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (22:55):
Yeah, you're right.
You don't have to be in media tofigure that out.
You can be the chancellor of uhof a university, you can be a
beauty pageant winner, you canbe an engineer that was just
given this huge job, you couldbe Thomas Edison, you know, you
could be all these things, buttruly it's the state and posture
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of your heart.
And people see that.
People are crying out forauthenticity.
They want somebody who is realwith them and to put on the
facade and and to put on that,uh, you know, I got it.
I wait, I make way more than youdo.
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Or or yeah, I know this person.
Ah, people just don't like that.
They just don't.
They just don't.
SPEAKER_01 (23:47):
Good answer.
Yeah, I I feel that.
I I have be I have been humbled.
And and not that anybody did itto me, but I realized I wasn't,
I wasn't commu the communicationwas not, and so I realized how
much I was maybe being a littletoo big for my bridges, you
know?
And I and the moment you kind ofjust come down and go and and
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listen and and see them acrossthe table from you, it was yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (24:14):
So I had a boss tell me over and over, stay humble.
Okay, stay humble.
Sometimes uh it I think it wasprobably I don't know, the sixth
or seventh time he said it.
You know, sometimes, Lisa, juston a side note, sometimes I'm a
little slow to get to the table,but I always manage to get to
the table.
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And I'm like, okay, I got it.
Yeah, I got it.
You know, there's a verse that Ilove, and it says, be careful
how you stand lest you fall.
And uh, you know, that is alwaysin my mind.
Yeah.
Be careful how you fall.
Yeah, because you could fall.
Yeah.
I mean, be careful how you standbecause you could fall.
SPEAKER_01 (24:57):
Yeah.
All right.
Uh so a next question.
At Leader Impact, we want to gogrow professionally, uh,
personally, and spiritually forincreasing impact.
So we're wondering if you'rewilling to share an example how
the spiritual makes a practicaldifference in your life as a
leader.
SPEAKER_02 (25:15):
Yeah, you know, I I um my faith is really, really
important to me.
And faith shows up in how I seepeople and how I make decisions.
It's not loud, it's notperformative, it's really a
quiet work of asking for wisdom,asking for wisdom in those
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moments before I step into theroom or before I have a
conversation or before I make adecision.
You know, it's it's um for me,it's the place that nobody sees.
It's the place where leadershipis actually formed.
It's what happens behind thescenes that matters to me.
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And I try to lead with theunderstanding that every person
has a divine purpose and wascreated with unique gifts and
abilities.
And part of my calling is tohelp people, uh, to help draw
that out of people, to see whatGod has placed in them and to
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encourage them and to help themto be courageous to step
forward, even if it's 1%, just1%.
You know, I've talked withladies uh just recently and
they've had different questions,and I'm like, just start.
Just start.
It's okay.
It's okay if you don't make it,but just take a step.
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And you know, uh, we've talkedabout posture, and my faith
really shapes that posture thatI want to lead from, which is
encouraging, encouraging otherwomen.
Um, that desire to grow inwisdom and stature, and to have
favor with the people thatyou're working with, and to have
favor with God, of course.
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You know, uh, we've talked somuch about humility, but you
know, that pursuit that keeps mehumble.
Uh, it reminds me that I'm stilllearning, I'm still growing.
Uh, I'm not there yet.
I haven't achieved it.
I'm still being shaped.
And all those influences, uh,all that influences how I lead
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and and how I listen and how Ishow up in the room with the
people that need more help ormeet or needs a smile or they
need that listening ear.
It's about not being hurriedbecause I know that I can't be
hurried sometimes in my growth.
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It takes step by step in mygrowth.
And, you know, my faith, itkeeps me centered and it keeps
me intentional and it keeps meanchored in something that's
greater than I am, greater thanmyself.
And and I've already alluded toit, but the truth is, is I'm
still becoming, I'm stillevolving.
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If I was the same as I was amonth ago or a year ago, boy,
it's not about the people thatare around me, it's about me.
I need to take a look at mebecause we're we should always
be growing.
And and my faith really helps inmy leadership.
And my faith helps truly in allareas, all aspects of my life.
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It helps me to lead well, ithelps me to love well, it helps
me to listen to well, uh, tolisten well.
And it just it truly reminds methat my growth is ongoing.
And I just, I haven't achievedit yet.
Um, but what I what I reallylike is that um it also puts a
smile on my face to help me getthrough the day.
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And a cup of coffee doesn't hurteither.
SPEAKER_01 (28:54):
That is it.
So for anyone who doesn't, I wasjust thinking, for anyone who
doesn't know your show, LegacyMakers, tell just give a quick
um synopsis about it so we canunderstand where you're coming
from.
SPEAKER_02 (29:07):
Yeah, so our show, Legacy Makers, uh, it is it airs
nationally every week on the onthe um Network Yes TV.
And it is about, I I get theprivilege and the honor of
introducing, of interviewing, Iget the privilege of
interviewing leaders and changemakers in their community, in
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their cities, in the province,in the in the country, and those
that actually have been doinghuge changes around the world.
So I get to interview and listento stories of people that are
our musicians, our doctors, ourare CEOs of nonprofit, of young
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people that have done thisamazing thing already.
And they're like, yeah, I amleaving a legacy because I'm
intentional about what I'mdoing.
I get to be with these people onour show that are just truly
living with present purpose witha desire for a future hope for
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those that are walking behindthem.
SPEAKER_01 (30:14):
Yeah.
Um that sounds amazing.
Um, because I love the questionof legacy, and that just leads
right into my next questionabout um, you know, leader
impact is dedicated to leadersleaving a lasting impact.
So as you continue to movethrough this amazing journey of
transition and media andwherever you're going, have you
(30:34):
considered what you want yourfaith legacy to be when you
leave this world?
SPEAKER_02 (30:41):
Yeah, I really have.
When we started this show, I Ijust knew I wanted a legacy, and
I knew that it it included thenext gen and the next gen and
the next gen, but I reallywanted to really dive down into
it.
And my faith legacy isn't aboutaccomplishments, it's about
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foundation.
And my faith has always been themost important thing to me.
It has been the anchor that Ireturn to all the time.
It's the lens that I lookthrough and the steady place
that that carries me throughevery season.
And I have just been through somany different seasons in my
life and reinventions, and ithas kept me steady and grounded.
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My faith legacy, you know, Ihope and believe that my my
grandchildren will hear thethings that I've done and the
shows we've created and thepeople we've met, but more than
anything, I want them to say sheloved God the most.
If that's what they remember,then I've lived my life well.
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If it's just for those thatsentence in those seven
grandchildren and those greatgrandchildren, then it's all
been worth it.
SPEAKER_01 (31:57):
All been worth it.
And I think um when we talkabout legacy, we're and you and
you mentioned it, it's beingintentional right now.
Like, what are you doing rightnow?
Because we could pass this worldtomorrow, and how are we gonna
be remembered?
Like, you know, so beintentional today.
Absolutely.
(32:17):
You never know.
SPEAKER_02 (32:18):
We're not guaranteed today, even.
Right.
Yeah.
And so what are you doing?
And and if you haven't thoughtabout it, then it's okay.
But now's the chance, now's thetime.
You're still here, yeah.
Start now.
One percent.
Take a step, you know.
I I I pray so much about theposture that I have because I
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want to have that posture ofwisdom and and to have that
stature and to have favor withthe people that I'm working
with.
And that's what I want to model.
Um, not just to my family and mygrandchildren, but to those that
I have the opportunity tointeract with.
Yeah.
And um I I want people to seethat there is something greater
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than themselves.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (33:12):
And uh I want to circle back to because this, you
know, as I I I really only cameback to my faith um when I after
I got married, and that was like32.
So a lot of people talked aboutheart posture or the posture of
your heart.
And I struggled with that.
I'm like, what does that evenmean?
But you really you brought it towhen you walk into a room, I I
(33:36):
and I you can you can clear meon this, but when you walk into
a room, the posture of my heartis is kindness and love and
patience.
Is that what you mean?
Because I think people arelistening and going, what does
she mean by that?
So I want you to go back to thatfor a moment.
Because I I love that, becausewe sometimes, you know, we
rushed into the room and we'vegot an interview to do, or we've
(33:56):
rushed into the room, we have ababy to take care of, we've
rushed into the room.
Take a moment.
So, heart posture to you, whatdoes that just explain?
SPEAKER_02 (34:07):
Yeah, you know, we've we've talked about it all
through this interview, and myheart posture is is to be
humbled, not to think of myselfgreater than anybody else.
I I want people to say, whenthey've when they've had an
interaction with me, or they'vewatched from afar, and that
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happens because of the industrywe're in.
I want them to say that I'velistened deeply, that I was
courageous and I carried courageand and I helped other people.
SPEAKER_03 (34:42):
And all that comes from that inside where I say,
you know, be careful how youstand.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (34:56):
Because all this is fleeting, and it could disappear
in a heartbeat.
And what are you left with?
What are you grounded in?
SPEAKER_01 (35:05):
I have love listening to you, Jacqueline.
I just, it's been such a greatuh gosh, probably over a half
hour by now.
But I have one final questionbecause you are just you bring
so much joy to my own life justlistening to you and sharing
this time with you.
But what brings you the greatestjoy?
SPEAKER_02 (35:22):
Yeah, joy for me is found in the simple things.
Uh a window seat, a quiet momentbetween the destinations, a
little bit of licorice because II know it's not healthy, but a
little bit of licorice becauseI'm savoring the win and the
moment.
I I love those things.
Those things bring me joy.
You know, being with peoplebrings me joy, conversations, a
(35:45):
shared joke, a really good sale,a belly laugh.
Those things brighten my daymore than probably I care to
admit.
Um, but I'd be remiss if Ididn't say that.
My husband brings me a lot ofjoy too.
You know, we we've been doinglife and we've been working
together for many, many years.
Three, oh, over three decades.
(36:07):
Uh, we're almost close to fourdecades.
That is insane to me.
Okay.
And so, you know, he still makesme smile and he still makes me
laugh.
But I would say the biggest andthe deepest joy is my
grandchildren, watching themgrow and watching them grow in
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wisdom, watching them grow intowho they're created to be.
Uh, nothing more brings me joythan that.
unknown (36:37):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (36:38):
Do you get to see your grandsons often?
SPEAKER_02 (36:41):
I actually have I have six granddaughters and one
grandson.
Yeah, okay.
Wow.
So do you get to see yourgrandchildren often?
You know, I'm so fortunate thatI get to see them.
And I I'm just so happy.
They they make me laugh.
They truly make me laugh, andthey help me remember.
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Oh, that's what it was like whenI had a three-year-old.
I totally forgot.
You know, because you you moveon in your in your stages of
life.
And I'm like, oh, I do rememberbeing sleep deprived.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Our grandchildren are small.
All seven are five and under.
SPEAKER_01 (37:21):
Wow.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (37:23):
That's so it's beautiful chaos.
It's beautiful chaos.
SPEAKER_01 (37:27):
Well, the parties together are they'll just grow
together.
It'll be the family events.
Yeah.
Um, I loved, I loved when youtalked just about the joy of the
simple things because I thinksometimes life is really hard.
And I want to acknowledge thatfor some people.
Find the little win today.
Find the little win right now.
If it's if it's, you know, acoffee, like you said.
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Having coffee in the morning isa win for me every morning.
You know, and just we, you know,you could use the word grateful.
Just be grateful.
And it it changes, it changesyou to be grateful in the
moment, grateful in the day, butthe little wins, I love that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (38:08):
And there's science behind it, and you know, about
just being grateful, but itreally does something for your
heart.
And people, it resonates withpeople.
You don't have to tell them thatyou know, you're happy and joy
and the simple things and thelittle wins.
Uh, they they want to be withpeople like that.
They really do.
SPEAKER_01 (38:28):
Yeah.
And they see it in you.
They see people can see theposture of your heart, honestly,
when you when you're glowing andyou're listening and you're
kind.
And yeah.
Oh, I love that.
Oh I feel like it was a littlemoment for Lisa.
I'm just so thankful to spendthis time with you.
Um, because I walk away and Ifeel better.
So I I hope we will change morelives together and just
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listening to us.
But um this sadly ends ourpodcast, Jaclyn.
And and I'm I'm hoping to oneday come to Calgary and see you
again.
I hope so.
Yeah.
If our listeners want to engagewith you, if they want to find
you, what is the best way?
If you have a website orLinkedIn, or what's the best way
to find you?
SPEAKER_02 (39:09):
Yeah, I'm on LinkedIn, Jaclyn Clements.
I'm on Instagram, I have apersonal page, and then also our
legacy makers page is onInstagram.
That's where you can findeverything.
And then, of course, we have ourwebsite, tcf4productions.com.
SPEAKER_01 (39:27):
And is that that's the that's obviously the name of
your company, TCF4?
What is that?
SPEAKER_02 (39:33):
And um, and you know what it you know what it stands
for?
SPEAKER_00 (39:36):
Need to know.
The Clements Family 4.
See, now I will forget that.
What's your website?
The Clements Family 4.
Yeah, yeah, Clements Family 4.
SPEAKER_02 (39:47):
Yeah, when we started it, there was just the
four of us.
And our desire when we startedthe company was that we would
all work together in the companyat some point.
And you know, all of us and ourdaughter-in-laws have worked
within the company somehow.
It's been fantastic.
It's been wonderful.
SPEAKER_01 (40:06):
That's great.
Oh, that's a great see.
I didn't understand the websitebefore.
Now I love it.
Thank you for sharing with us.
All right.
Well, thank you again,Jacqueline.
It's been awesome to meet you.
SPEAKER_02 (40:16):
It was wonderful to be here with you, Lisa.
Thank you so much for thisopportunity.
SPEAKER_01 (40:20):
You are welcome.
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I'm your host, Lisa Peters, andour guest today is Jacqueline
Clements.
Jacqueline is the national TVhost of Legacy Makers with
Jaclyn, a storyteller andcommunicator who helps people
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navigate seasons of change withwisdom and hope.
She and her husband of 37 yearsco-own TCF4 Productions, a media
company dedicated to meaningful,purpose-driven, life-inspired
storytelling.
A mother to two grown sons and agrandmother to seven, she is
currently in development of herupcoming book, Becoming.
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Jacqueline believes deeply inthe power of story and the
strength of kindness.
And she holds this motto close: you are never too old or too (01:14):
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young to start something new.
Welcome to the show, Jacqueline.
SPEAKER_02 (01:23):
Oh, Lisa, thank you so much for having me.
It's so good to be here withyou.
And I just can't believe we getto spend the next little bit
together.
SPEAKER_01 (01:31):
I know.
You know, I'm gonna tell ourguests the last time we met, um,
I was sitting at we met atanother conference where I was a
facilitator, you were on mypanel, and um I'm a really tall
woman.
I'm six feet.
You are not.
And I was sitting down, andJacqueline walks up, and I get
up, and I think you flewbackwards.
You were like, oh my, and thenyou looked at my shoes, and then
(01:52):
you laughed, and then youapologize.
I had to tell that.
It was it was this moment I'llnever forget, and I loved it,
and we laughed, and we'll bebest friends forever.
SPEAKER_02 (02:02):
Oh my goodness.
You know, Lisa, I had forgottenuntil you just started telling
that story.
And I'm like, those are justthose are moments as we talk
about my story that just keep mehumble.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (02:18):
Oh, well, yeah, and I probably had even heels on, so
I was 6'2.
And so anyway, thank you.
I turned to my husband and said,I think I have height envy with
Lisa.
That's funny.
That it was it was an awesomeday.
So it was just a fantastic day.
So thanks for joining us andbeing part of this.
Um I have thought about you manytimes, so I'm excited to have
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you.
SPEAKER_02 (02:42):
Thank you.
I'm so happy to be here.
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Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (02:45):
So we talk a lot about legacy, and I know you do
on your show.
You are legacy makers withJacqueline.
So um, I want to hear a bit,we're gonna get into that when
we end, but a little bit aboutyour professional story.
Um, how did you get to where youare today?
And really we're kind of lookingfor that pivotal moment of uh
the journey.
So love to hear about it.
SPEAKER_02 (03:05):
Yeah, I'm so happy to tell you my story.
You know, I stepped onto thestage when I was three years old
with my family.
We had a touring music group,and uh I've been telling stories
ever since then.
That early love for performingon stage has carried me to
acting events and live events,and even you're going to laugh,
(03:29):
even a short-lived modelingcareer.
Yeah, they they liked me untilthey realized I wasn't growing
anymore.
You know, heights have limits,but I'm so thankful that purpose
doesn't.
Yeah, good one.
Oh, you know, you talk about umthose pivotal, maybe those key
(03:52):
turning moments.
And you know, I have a I have acouple in my life, and one major
turning point came.
Uh, I I chose when we first gotmarried to be a stay-at-home
mom, a full-time stay-at-homemom.
And I don't, there's no regretsin my life over that.
And it was a decision I madewith joy.
And, you know, I did work tohelp, you know, supplement our
(04:15):
income, of course, but when Iwent to work, it was always at a
time when my husband was goingto be home with our our children
because family was such a hugepriority to us, and it still is.
But you know, through the yearsof my children growing, and I
homeschooled for five years orso, and and we did a
(04:37):
cross-country move, we uprootedeverything, and you know, all
through that, uh, we were ableto get our boys to graduate
successfully from grade 12, andwe were so happy.
But, you know, Lisa, I foundmyself at that moment.
I was standing in the kitchen,I'll never forget the place
where I was.
(04:58):
And I was standing there, and Ijust said, now what, God?
I felt so lost.
I feel that.
Yeah, right.
I a lot of moms do when they'vecome through different seasons
in their life and they're like,it's changing, now what?
And I just remember that theLord through that, God, He just
(05:23):
brought me back into theentertainment world.
And that moment of surrenderwhen I was in the kitchen and
saying, Now what, God, thatbecame the doorway to a whole
new chapter in my life.
And so, you know, that was onekey pivotal moment, key turning
point in my life.
And then there was another one.
(05:44):
In 2012, my husband Bill and I,we launched our media company,
excuse me, and uh we producedtwo independent shows that
eventually aired on Prime Videoand they went around the world
on different platforms.
It was kind of crazy.
It was all, you know, back thenwhen you just didn't even know.
(06:04):
We just didn't know what we weredoing.
Like it was just great.
God was so good.
And and as those projectswrapped up, we took quite a
break from production and wejust focused on family and we
focused on otherresponsibilities that we had.
And then came COVID.
And that was another turningpoint.
(06:25):
Bill's company, uh um, the onethat he co-owned, uh, was
significantly impacted.
And like so many people duringthat time, we had to pivot.
And, you know, we all know likethat was the word of that season
was pivot.
And during that time, on eitherside of COVID, we produced five
(06:45):
different music videos andspoken word videos.
And that really helped us easeback into production and rebuild
our creative rhythm, which wasso, so helpful.
Those those uh groups were justso gracious towards us, and we
had a lot of fun, made some goodmemories.
And then after COVID happened,uh we stepped back into media
(07:08):
full time.
I stepped back in full time, andthen Bill continually was
helping me, and then his timejust grew and grew and grew, and
now we do this full time.
And we produced six TV shows,and they're all but one have
aired nationally orinternationally now.
And we do this work together,and we're we're happy, we're
(07:29):
we're truly happy workingtogether.
And Bill directs the shows, andhe comes alongside, and we
produce it together.
And I know this is not the topicthat we're we're talking about
today, but it is it is a topicmaybe for another time.
But the whole topic of husbandand wives working together, you
(07:50):
know, how do you work with yourspouse and do you still love
your spouse?
And at the end of the day, it'smore about do you still like
your spouse, right?
It's a hot topic, and it's a hottopic in our world with Bill and
I, because we are asked that somany times.
But like I said, it's for likeanother podcast interview,
perhaps.
(08:10):
But, you know, uh, just gettingback to that pivotal moment, you
know, that journey of rebuildingour creative rhythm opened the
door to legacy makers withJacqueline.
And the national talk show thatI host is where I sit down with
leaders and the change makerswho are living with present
purpose and future hope.
(08:31):
And it gives me so much joy.
I'm inspired, and I know ourguests are too, and our viewers,
right?
Uh, another thing that uh that Ido behind the scenes is I serve
as an executive producer onalmost all the media that we
create.
And that helps us see what'spossible.
(08:52):
You know, Lisa, every chapter.
I started with age three, andnow I'm where I'm at right now.
And every stage, whether thatwas on stage with my family at
three, motherhood, reinvention,because I've reinvented myself,
I don't know how many times now,uh, and to national television.
(09:15):
All this has been helping mefind my voice.
It's been helping me share mystory, and it's been helping me
to lead with intention.
And of course, it helps otherpeople along the way.
SPEAKER_01 (09:27):
Yeah.
I love your story, and I lovejust the understanding all the
stages have allowed you to findyour voice.
Like I can resonate with that,and I'm sure people listening
can.
I want to know when you um, Ithink it was you were you had
homeschooled your kids andyou're at this point.
I think the kids are maybe offto school and you're sitting in
(09:48):
your in your kitchen and you'relike, now what, God?
And and there's been a few ofthose with COVID and the
transitions.
What was that moment like foryou?
I know what it was.
I found it all of a sudden thisvery calm came over me.
Like COVID was a big one.
It's like, now what, God?
But it was a calm.
What were you like?
Were you nervous at that pointwhen you you realized I have to
(10:10):
create a life here?
Like my kids are gone.
My home's, I am, I gotta createsomething.
What was that feeling of lookingup and or you know, just now
what?
SPEAKER_02 (10:20):
Yeah, you know, that was such a humbling moment for
me.
I knew exactly what I was gonnado for 20 years.
I was a stay-at-home mom.
I was going to raise mychildren, and I always believed
when they were very young, thatI wasn't just teaching and
raising my children, I wasteaching and raising my
(10:42):
grandchildren because thelessons I would teach my
children, hopefully, they wouldresonate.
They would uh receive them astheir own and they would teach
their grandchildren.
So I was always thinking aboutthe next gen.
But then I found myself in thekitchen and I'm like, uh I don't
know.
God, I don't know.
(11:03):
I've taken myself out of theworkplace uh industry
situations.
I I don't even know where to go.
I don't know what to what tostart.
So was I don't know that therewas a moment of calm.
I think it was so humbling tome.
Um there were lots of tearsbecause what I didn't know then,
(11:26):
that I know now, of course,hindsight, is that I was I was
about to reinvent myself.
And uh there was there was thatmoment of scared, um,
excitement, uh, courage.
Um was I gonna fail?
Uh the world was my oyster.
(11:47):
Oh, wait, but I'm married and Ihave a life.
I do have a life.
I'm not single.
There were so many emotions forme.
Uh I just I think deeply, Ithink deeply about many things.
I'm such an intentional person.
So um then the next step uhwasn't just an impulse.
(12:10):
It was really by intention.
SPEAKER_01 (12:11):
Yeah.
And I'm I I'm just gonna commentmotions maybe change daily.
SPEAKER_00 (12:18):
Absolutely.
SPEAKER_01 (12:19):
Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah.
Some days you are on fire andsome days it's just it's tough.
So thank you for answering that.
Um I think some people look atyou, Jaclyn, and it looks easy.
You look great now, you know.
Right?
We we think that when we look atpeople, but we don't realize we
were standing in our kitchen andwe were humbled.
We have cried, you know.
(12:40):
So just thank you for sharingthat part of the journey.
Um yeah, of course.
Yeah.
So we're gonna move on to bestprinciple of success.
If you have one, I'm sure youdo, and tell us a story that
might illustrate that.
SPEAKER_02 (12:53):
Yeah, I know you you've asked for one principle
of success, but I'm gonna giveyou two.
Um one of my core principles ofsuccess is this, and I just
mentioned it was lead withintention, not impulse.
Um, I can be spontaneous and Ican be fun and I love a good
(13:15):
joke, and uh I love being withpeople, absolutely.
But 90% of what I do and how Ithink is intentional, and I
think deeply about the roomsthat I walk into and the people
I'm gonna be with and the impactthat I want to leave behind.
That the that is so, soimportant to me.
(13:36):
And, you know, speaking ofrooms, pardon me, I've spent
enough in enough time in thoserooms to know that you can't
rush, that there's reacting,that there's protecting, there's
a self-protective stance thathappens in those rooms, you
know, and so kindness.
(13:59):
I look at it, I take a step backand I look at it, and I think
kindness.
Kindness is another principle ofsuccess for me.
And it sounds simple, but youknow, kindness acts asks more of
us than we really realize.
Um, we live in an unkind world,right, Lisa?
(14:20):
Like it it it is not a kindworld.
And that right there, thatmoment, that means that it gives
us opportunities, opportunitiesto be kind every day.
And those opportunities, theyreally set us apart.
And it opens doors.
(14:40):
It can, it can open doors toconversations, but it can also
just make somebody feel for amoment that they are seen and
they are valued.
Just in that one small, simplemoment of kindness.
You open a door, you help thempick something up, you push
their cart.
(15:00):
You know, it doesn't have to bea big thing, but that is truly
one of my principles of success.
Kindness asks us to slow down,to truly see people and to
respond with intention, likeI've mentioned, rather than
impulse.
And it's also, there's also apart of listening.
(15:24):
And and Lisa, you and I we havethis unique opportunity to
interview people where we havebeen able to work at listening
and we do that a lot.
But listening is such a dyingart.
It just not everybody knows howto listen because they don't
(15:47):
have people that listen to them.
And so if you want to understandpeople, as I circle back to the
success, if you want tounderstand people, encourage
them, leave an impact bylistening, be willing to pause
long enough to hear them and tobe kind and to be intentional.
(16:12):
So those are just a couple of mysuccess, professional success
moments.
SPEAKER_01 (16:18):
And you know, in in our industry, I remember when I
first started, and it was Ithink 12 or 13 years ago with
the talk show, um, I had tolearn to listen.
I had to learn to focus in andnot be worried about the next
question.
You know, like what am I gonnaask next?
Like I was always concerned, andI and I I knew, and um I I had
to, I really had to focus on mylistening skills.
(16:40):
So I love that, and I talk aboutthat of and kindness, being kind
to someone is can be so simple,but we're you know, we are, you
know, as you said, an unkindworld.
We are not connected anymore.
Um, you know, we I'm holding outmy phone, we've got warriors who
will come at us on Facebook orany social media, and they you
(17:01):
know, they don't see you face toface with they say that to you,
but they cut they can come atyou online, and we are in that
industry where people can dothat.
Um but in saying that, I don't,and I don't think you do.
I don't get a lot of peopledoing that because I don't do
that to anyone.
I'm kind, you know?
And so you talk about legacy,that's the legacy you're
leaving, is you're very kind.
(17:23):
And you've raised your childrento raise your grandchildren.
SPEAKER_00 (17:25):
Like I oh, I just love your story.
SPEAKER_01 (17:30):
Oh, thank you, Lisa.
Thank you.
We're gonna move this tofailures um because we I think
we know we learn more from ourown failures than our successes.
Um, and I'm wondering if youhave something you could share,
uh, a failure or a mistake, andwhat you learned in it.
SPEAKER_02 (17:47):
You know, uh this this question about failure and
mistakes, um I just have way toomany.
That that's the truth of it.
I have way more than thansuccess.
And I was trying to think howlike how can I explain how can I
(18:15):
pick one?
So what I've done is uh I I justI've kind of wrapped it into one
little box and um put a bow onit to say that one of my biggest
failures was believing that Iwas greater than I was.
Uh it wasn't intentional, it wassubtle.
(18:39):
You know, um some of us, noteverybody, but some are taught
not to think of yourself greaterthan you are.
But looking back, you know, Ican see moments where I've
walked into rooms with the wrongposture.
And it was a huge fail.
(18:59):
Huge.
And it taught me more than anysuccess could ever teach me,
truly.
Staying humble has really becomeone of the important lessons of
my life.
Humility isn't thinking less ofyourself, it's just thinking of
yourself less.
unknown (19:17):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (19:17):
And it's choosing to build others up, to encourage
them, to leave them better thanwhen you found them.
I've learned that realleadership isn't about being the
most impressive person in theroom because truly there is
always going to be somebodybetter, more well-spoken, looks
(19:38):
better, has a better, betterworld, more money than you in
the room.
So to me, it's about beinggrounded.
It's about being self-grounded,it's about being secure with who
you are, who you've been createdwith.
And in that groundedness iswhere the security comes, that
(20:05):
you can walk into the room andyou don't have to be the best at
everything.
You can stay humble, still holdthe proper posture that you
need, because you have beengifted things that that you are
in charge of and to take careof.
And so there is a posture, butit's remaining humble within
(20:27):
that posture.
Yeah.
You know, I just that is so, sotruly important to me.
Yeah.
And uh, and recognizing that andcoming face to face with that in
my in my world has reallyshifted things in my job, in my
in my relationships, in my home,really how I show up every day
(20:50):
in the world.
SPEAKER_01 (20:51):
And you know, I think when if people are
listening going, yeah, well, I'mnot in media, I'm not all over
the TV, I think that, and and Ijust feel this when when you get
a promotion and all of a suddenyou're the lead or you're the
president, CEO, or whateverthat, and you walk into a room
and you're like, I'm all that,people, you know.
No, you're not.
(21:11):
You were one of us yesterday.
You're still humbling that.
So I'm gonna ask you when youwalked into a room, uh okay,
first, how long have you beenback in media?
Like how many years are wetalking?
Are we 20 years?
SPEAKER_02 (21:25):
Uh I I would say in total, I've been in media about
14 to 15 years.
SPEAKER_01 (21:31):
Okay.
So when you came back, you mighthave had that, um, you know,
walking into rooms bigger thanwho you think you are.
How long has it been that you'vebeen humbled, that you kind of
walk in and and your your hearthas changed, your position.
Has it been, was it right awayor what did it take time?
You know, I because I thinkpeople want to they want to bask
(21:51):
in, I'm the president, I'm thehost, uh you know.
Did it happen right away for youor was it No, no.
SPEAKER_02 (22:00):
It didn't.
No, I wish it had.
That would have just been somuch easier for me.
But some lessons, some lessonsare just hard, and you just have
to learn them.
You just have to learn them bywalking in pride and ego.
And uh you know, nobody reallylikes those things.
(22:20):
No, no, we don't.
SPEAKER_03 (22:23):
We don't.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (22:26):
And so I think trying to um create isn't the
right word, but to continue tobe open to being molded into
this person that is humble andum honored and feels like life
(22:53):
is really a gift.
SPEAKER_00 (22:54):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (22:55):
Yeah, you're right.
You don't have to be in media tofigure that out.
You can be the chancellor of uhof a university, you can be a
beauty pageant winner, you canbe an engineer that was just
given this huge job, you couldbe Thomas Edison, you know, you
could be all these things, buttruly it's the state and posture
(23:16):
of your heart.
And people see that.
People are crying out forauthenticity.
They want somebody who is realwith them and to put on the
facade and and to put on that,uh, you know, I got it.
I wait, I make way more than youdo.
(23:36):
Or or yeah, I know this person.
Ah, people just don't like that.
They just don't.
They just don't.
SPEAKER_01 (23:47):
Good answer.
Yeah, I I feel that.
I I have be I have been humbled.
And and not that anybody did itto me, but I realized I wasn't,
I wasn't commu the communicationwas not, and so I realized how
much I was maybe being a littletoo big for my bridges, you
know?
And I and the moment you kind ofjust come down and go and and
(24:09):
listen and and see them acrossthe table from you, it was yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (24:14):
So I had a boss tell me over and over, stay humble.
Okay, stay humble.
Sometimes uh it I think it wasprobably I don't know, the sixth
or seventh time he said it.
You know, sometimes, Lisa, juston a side note, sometimes I'm a
little slow to get to the table,but I always manage to get to
the table.
(24:35):
And I'm like, okay, I got it.
Yeah, I got it.
You know, there's a verse that Ilove, and it says, be careful
how you stand lest you fall.
And uh, you know, that is alwaysin my mind.
Yeah.
Be careful how you fall.
Yeah, because you could fall.
Yeah.
I mean, be careful how you standbecause you could fall.
SPEAKER_01 (24:57):
Yeah.
All right.
Uh so a next question.
At Leader Impact, we want to gogrow professionally, uh,
personally, and spiritually forincreasing impact.
So we're wondering if you'rewilling to share an example how
the spiritual makes a practicaldifference in your life as a
leader.
SPEAKER_02 (25:15):
Yeah, you know, I I um my faith is really, really
important to me.
And faith shows up in how I seepeople and how I make decisions.
It's not loud, it's notperformative, it's really a
quiet work of asking for wisdom,asking for wisdom in those
(25:37):
moments before I step into theroom or before I have a
conversation or before I make adecision.
You know, it's it's um for me,it's the place that nobody sees.
It's the place where leadershipis actually formed.
It's what happens behind thescenes that matters to me.
(25:57):
And I try to lead with theunderstanding that every person
has a divine purpose and wascreated with unique gifts and
abilities.
And part of my calling is tohelp people, uh, to help draw
that out of people, to see whatGod has placed in them and to
(26:18):
encourage them and to help themto be courageous to step
forward, even if it's 1%, just1%.
You know, I've talked withladies uh just recently and
they've had different questions,and I'm like, just start.
Just start.
It's okay.
It's okay if you don't make it,but just take a step.
(26:41):
And you know, uh, we've talkedabout posture, and my faith
really shapes that posture thatI want to lead from, which is
encouraging, encouraging otherwomen.
Um, that desire to grow inwisdom and stature, and to have
favor with the people thatyou're working with, and to have
favor with God, of course.
(27:03):
You know, uh, we've talked somuch about humility, but you
know, that pursuit that keeps mehumble.
Uh, it reminds me that I'm stilllearning, I'm still growing.
Uh, I'm not there yet.
I haven't achieved it.
I'm still being shaped.
And all those influences, uh,all that influences how I lead
(27:25):
and and how I listen and how Ishow up in the room with the
people that need more help ormeet or needs a smile or they
need that listening ear.
It's about not being hurriedbecause I know that I can't be
hurried sometimes in my growth.
(27:45):
It takes step by step in mygrowth.
And, you know, my faith, itkeeps me centered and it keeps
me intentional and it keeps meanchored in something that's
greater than I am, greater thanmyself.
And and I've already alluded toit, but the truth is, is I'm
still becoming, I'm stillevolving.
(28:06):
If I was the same as I was amonth ago or a year ago, boy,
it's not about the people thatare around me, it's about me.
I need to take a look at mebecause we're we should always
be growing.
And and my faith really helps inmy leadership.
And my faith helps truly in allareas, all aspects of my life.
(28:28):
It helps me to lead well, ithelps me to love well, it helps
me to listen to well, uh, tolisten well.
And it just it truly reminds methat my growth is ongoing.
And I just, I haven't achievedit yet.
Um, but what I what I reallylike is that um it also puts a
smile on my face to help me getthrough the day.
(28:50):
And a cup of coffee doesn't hurteither.
SPEAKER_01 (28:54):
That is it.
So for anyone who doesn't, I wasjust thinking, for anyone who
doesn't know your show, LegacyMakers, tell just give a quick
um synopsis about it so we canunderstand where you're coming
from.
SPEAKER_02 (29:07):
Yeah, so our show, Legacy Makers, uh, it is it airs
nationally every week on the onthe um Network Yes TV.
And it is about, I I get theprivilege and the honor of
introducing, of interviewing, Iget the privilege of
interviewing leaders and changemakers in their community, in
(29:30):
their cities, in the province,in the in the country, and those
that actually have been doinghuge changes around the world.
So I get to interview and listento stories of people that are
our musicians, our doctors, ourare CEOs of nonprofit, of young
(29:51):
people that have done thisamazing thing already.
And they're like, yeah, I amleaving a legacy because I'm
intentional about what I'mdoing.
I get to be with these people onour show that are just truly
living with present purpose witha desire for a future hope for
(30:12):
those that are walking behindthem.
SPEAKER_01 (30:14):
Yeah.
Um that sounds amazing.
Um, because I love the questionof legacy, and that just leads
right into my next questionabout um, you know, leader
impact is dedicated to leadersleaving a lasting impact.
So as you continue to movethrough this amazing journey of
transition and media andwherever you're going, have you
(30:34):
considered what you want yourfaith legacy to be when you
leave this world?
SPEAKER_02 (30:41):
Yeah, I really have.
When we started this show, I Ijust knew I wanted a legacy, and
I knew that it it included thenext gen and the next gen and
the next gen, but I reallywanted to really dive down into
it.
And my faith legacy isn't aboutaccomplishments, it's about
(31:01):
foundation.
And my faith has always been themost important thing to me.
It has been the anchor that Ireturn to all the time.
It's the lens that I lookthrough and the steady place
that that carries me throughevery season.
And I have just been through somany different seasons in my
life and reinventions, and ithas kept me steady and grounded.
(31:26):
My faith legacy, you know, Ihope and believe that my my
grandchildren will hear thethings that I've done and the
shows we've created and thepeople we've met, but more than
anything, I want them to say sheloved God the most.
If that's what they remember,then I've lived my life well.
(31:47):
If it's just for those thatsentence in those seven
grandchildren and those greatgrandchildren, then it's all
been worth it.
SPEAKER_01 (31:57):
All been worth it.
And I think um when we talkabout legacy, we're and you and
you mentioned it, it's beingintentional right now.
Like, what are you doing rightnow?
Because we could pass this worldtomorrow, and how are we gonna
be remembered?
Like, you know, so beintentional today.
Absolutely.
(32:17):
You never know.
SPEAKER_02 (32:18):
We're not guaranteed today, even.
Right.
Yeah.
And so what are you doing?
And and if you haven't thoughtabout it, then it's okay.
But now's the chance, now's thetime.
You're still here, yeah.
Start now.
One percent.
Take a step, you know.
I I I pray so much about theposture that I have because I
(32:42):
want to have that posture ofwisdom and and to have that
stature and to have favor withthe people that I'm working
with.
And that's what I want to model.
Um, not just to my family and mygrandchildren, but to those that
I have the opportunity tointeract with.
Yeah.
And um I I want people to seethat there is something greater
(33:08):
than themselves.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (33:12):
And uh I want to circle back to because this, you
know, as I I I really only cameback to my faith um when I after
I got married, and that was like32.
So a lot of people talked aboutheart posture or the posture of
your heart.
And I struggled with that.
I'm like, what does that evenmean?
But you really you brought it towhen you walk into a room, I I
(33:36):
and I you can you can clear meon this, but when you walk into
a room, the posture of my heartis is kindness and love and
patience.
Is that what you mean?
Because I think people arelistening and going, what does
she mean by that?
So I want you to go back to thatfor a moment.
Because I I love that, becausewe sometimes, you know, we
rushed into the room and we'vegot an interview to do, or we've
(33:56):
rushed into the room, we have ababy to take care of, we've
rushed into the room.
Take a moment.
So, heart posture to you, whatdoes that just explain?
SPEAKER_02 (34:07):
Yeah, you know, we've we've talked about it all
through this interview, and myheart posture is is to be
humbled, not to think of myselfgreater than anybody else.
I I want people to say, whenthey've when they've had an
interaction with me, or they'vewatched from afar, and that
(34:31):
happens because of the industrywe're in.
I want them to say that I'velistened deeply, that I was
courageous and I carried courageand and I helped other people.
SPEAKER_03 (34:42):
And all that comes from that inside where I say,
you know, be careful how youstand.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (34:56):
Because all this is fleeting, and it could disappear
in a heartbeat.
And what are you left with?
What are you grounded in?
SPEAKER_01 (35:05):
I have love listening to you, Jacqueline.
I just, it's been such a greatuh gosh, probably over a half
hour by now.
But I have one final questionbecause you are just you bring
so much joy to my own life justlistening to you and sharing
this time with you.
But what brings you the greatestjoy?
SPEAKER_02 (35:22):
Yeah, joy for me is found in the simple things.
Uh a window seat, a quiet momentbetween the destinations, a
little bit of licorice because II know it's not healthy, but a
little bit of licorice becauseI'm savoring the win and the
moment.
I I love those things.
Those things bring me joy.
You know, being with peoplebrings me joy, conversations, a
(35:45):
shared joke, a really good sale,a belly laugh.
Those things brighten my daymore than probably I care to
admit.
Um, but I'd be remiss if Ididn't say that.
My husband brings me a lot ofjoy too.
You know, we we've been doinglife and we've been working
together for many, many years.
Three, oh, over three decades.
(36:07):
Uh, we're almost close to fourdecades.
That is insane to me.
Okay.
And so, you know, he still makesme smile and he still makes me
laugh.
But I would say the biggest andthe deepest joy is my
grandchildren, watching themgrow and watching them grow in
(36:29):
wisdom, watching them grow intowho they're created to be.
Uh, nothing more brings me joythan that.
unknown (36:37):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (36:38):
Do you get to see your grandsons often?
SPEAKER_02 (36:41):
I actually have I have six granddaughters and one
grandson.
Yeah, okay.
Wow.
So do you get to see yourgrandchildren often?
You know, I'm so fortunate thatI get to see them.
And I I'm just so happy.
They they make me laugh.
They truly make me laugh, andthey help me remember.
(37:02):
Oh, that's what it was like whenI had a three-year-old.
I totally forgot.
You know, because you you moveon in your in your stages of
life.
And I'm like, oh, I do rememberbeing sleep deprived.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Our grandchildren are small.
All seven are five and under.
SPEAKER_01 (37:21):
Wow.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (37:23):
That's so it's beautiful chaos.
It's beautiful chaos.
SPEAKER_01 (37:27):
Well, the parties together are they'll just grow
together.
It'll be the family events.
Yeah.
Um, I loved, I loved when youtalked just about the joy of the
simple things because I thinksometimes life is really hard.
And I want to acknowledge thatfor some people.
Find the little win today.
Find the little win right now.
If it's if it's, you know, acoffee, like you said.
(37:49):
Having coffee in the morning isa win for me every morning.
You know, and just we, you know,you could use the word grateful.
Just be grateful.
And it it changes, it changesyou to be grateful in the
moment, grateful in the day, butthe little wins, I love that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (38:08):
And there's science behind it, and you know, about
just being grateful, but itreally does something for your
heart.
And people, it resonates withpeople.
You don't have to tell them thatyou know, you're happy and joy
and the simple things and thelittle wins.
Uh, they they want to be withpeople like that.
They really do.
SPEAKER_01 (38:28):
Yeah.
And they see it in you.
They see people can see theposture of your heart, honestly,
when you when you're glowing andyou're listening and you're
kind.
And yeah.
Oh, I love that.
Oh I feel like it was a littlemoment for Lisa.
I'm just so thankful to spendthis time with you.
Um, because I walk away and Ifeel better.
So I I hope we will change morelives together and just
(38:50):
listening to us.
But um this sadly ends ourpodcast, Jaclyn.
And and I'm I'm hoping to oneday come to Calgary and see you
again.
I hope so.
Yeah.
If our listeners want to engagewith you, if they want to find
you, what is the best way?
If you have a website orLinkedIn, or what's the best way
to find you?
SPEAKER_02 (39:09):
Yeah, I'm on LinkedIn, Jaclyn Clements.
I'm on Instagram, I have apersonal page, and then also our
legacy makers page is onInstagram.
That's where you can findeverything.
And then, of course, we have ourwebsite, tcf4productions.com.
SPEAKER_01 (39:27):
And is that that's the that's obviously the name of
your company, TCF4?
What is that?
SPEAKER_02 (39:33):
And um, and you know what it you know what it stands
for?
SPEAKER_00 (39:36):
Need to know.
The Clements Family 4.
See, now I will forget that.
What's your website?
The Clements Family 4.
Yeah, yeah, Clements Family 4.
SPEAKER_02 (39:47):
Yeah, when we started it, there was just the
four of us.
And our desire when we startedthe company was that we would
all work together in the companyat some point.
And you know, all of us and ourdaughter-in-laws have worked
within the company somehow.
It's been fantastic.
It's been wonderful.
SPEAKER_01 (40:06):
That's great.
Oh, that's a great see.
I didn't understand the websitebefore.
Now I love it.
Thank you for sharing with us.
All right.
Well, thank you again,Jacqueline.
It's been awesome to meet you.
SPEAKER_02 (40:16):
It was wonderful to be here with you, Lisa.
Thank you so much for thisopportunity.
SPEAKER_01 (40:20):
You are welcome.
All right, well, this ends ourpodcast, and we want to thank
you for joining us.
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(40:43):
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