Breastfeeding is never just about feeding. It’s physical, emotional, and deeply tied to your mental health.
In this episode of Let’s Thrive Postpartum, Kelly Siebold sits down with Judith Nowlin, CEO of Nest Collaborative, and Dr. Larissa Luce, Director of Clinical Services at Nest Collaborative, a Registered Dietitian, IBCLC, and certified perinatal mental health expert. Together, they explore what breastfeeding really looks like in the fourth trimester and how support can change everything.
You’ll learn:
• Why planning for breastfeeding is just as important as birth prep.
• How lactation challenges impact mental health and how to cope.
• What support partners can do that truly helps.
• How to return to work without giving up your feeding goals.
• Why being seen matters more than being perfect.
You’ll walk away with real tips and powerful reminders like how to trust your instincts and why you are doing a great job no matter what your feeding journey looks like.
Tune in and feel supported through the fourth trimester and beyond.
Learn more or book a virtual lactation visit: nestcollaborative.com
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(00:04):
Welcome to Let's ThrivePostpartum, where we tackle
postpartum depression andanxiety.
Head on, guiding you back toyourself.
Join Kelly Seabold, founder ofThrive Postpartum and Ashley
Moore, a maternal mental healththerapist.
Through honesty and laughter, weshare expert advice and real
stories.
(00:25):
While not therapy or medicaladvice, you'll find education,
support and hope.
Welcome to the village.
Let's thrive postpartum.
Kelly Siebold (00:38):
Hi moms and welcome back to Let's Thrive
Postpartum.
I'm Kelly, and today we arediving into a topic that affects
nearly every new motherbreastfeeding and the journey
that comes along with it.
So I am incredibly honored towelcome two powerhouse guests
from Nest Collaborative, aleader in virtual lactation
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support who is making wavesacross the country.
So first we have Judith, Nowlan,a venture backed to FinTech.
Pioneer, a maternal healthinnovator with over 20 years of
experience building companiesand driving innovation.
As the CEO of NestCollaborative, she leads one of
the nation's foremost virtuallactation platforms, delivering
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over 80,000 tele lactationvisits to date and partnering
with hundreds of insurancepayers nationwide.
Previously, she founded I Birtha Groundbreaking Pregnancy and
Postpartum Care app, which wasacquired by Baby Scripts in
2018.
A former childbirth educator,birth and postpartum doula,
Judith has raised more than$10million to advance maternal
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care.
And joining her is Dr.
Larissa Lu, a registereddietician international Board
certified lactation consultantand certified perinatal mental
health specialist dedicated toproactive and preventative care.
As the Director of ClinicalServices at Nest Collaborative,
she helped develop a novelpreventative model of lactation
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care to provide longitudinalbreastfeeding support across the
perinatal continuum.
She's also the author of EatingFrom Bump to Baby, a cookbook
and guide featuring nutritiondense recipes to support mothers
throughout the perinatal period.
Ladies, thank you so much forjoining us today.
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I know all of our momslistening.
Speaking from self experience,have had challenges or are
having challenges or don't knowwhat to do if those challenges
occur.
So I can't wait to have youshare your thoughts and your
expertise.
Judith, tell us a little bitmore about the Nest
Collaborative and what you allare trying to do for women
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across the country.
Judith Nowlin | Nes (02:48):
Absolutely.
Kelly, thank you so much forhaving us on your podcast today.
Excited to be here at NestCollaborative.
We are a virtual lactationsupport platform offering
telehealth video consult.
With IB CLCs, those are theinternational board certified
lactation consultants, the goldstandard in lactation care.
(03:09):
What's really cool about ourtelehealth platform is that we
are available 365 days a year,including early mornings, late
nights, weekends, and holidays.
We work alongside OBGYNs,midwives, pediatricians.
As an extension of the criticalcare team, we are
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revolutionizing the role thatlactation support plays in the
big picture of maternalhealthcare, prenatal through
postpartum.
And what's really, reallyspecial about what we're
building here is that we'rehelping health insurance plans
comply with the a CA mandatewith regards to preventive
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lactation support, which saysthat plans must.
Cover lactation support as apreventive service with no copay
and no deductible throughout theduration of breastfeeding.
And as a result, we accepthundreds of insurance plans and
in the ever expanding list ofMedicaid plans across the
nation, we offer culturallycompetent care and make it
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really, really accessible forfamilies, which breaks the
status quo of wondering when youwake up in the morning and
realize uhoh.
I think there might be aproblem.
Who should I call?
Will they be available?
How far away are they?
Do they have an appointmentavailable today or is it gonna
be three weeks from now?
Is it a three hour drive or athree minute drive?
(04:36):
With Nest Collaborative in ourplatform, it literally, it.
the access you need to the careand the support you need.
day with caring providers, rightfrom the comfort of your own
home.
And if the insurance plan thatyou have covers this, then you
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do it at$0 out of pocket to you.
Kelly Siebold (05:01):
Judith, that is such an amazing service and so
many moms need it.
We talk a lot on this podcastabout there are maternal care
deserts across the us.
You can't find providers acouple hours away.
You have to drive the.
Fact that this is available tomoms for IBL certified lactation
consultants on their phone ortheir computer is phenomenal.
(05:22):
Such a great resource to have.
Judith Nowlin | Nest Col (05:25):
That's what it's all about.
Timely, accessible, convenient,affordable.
And so our moms, when they findus, it is pure delight because
the level of stress around, Ineed help and I need it now, and
it really can't wait tilltomorrow or next week.
(05:46):
That's where the magic happenswith our IB CLCs.
Kelly Siebold (05:50):
That is perfect and a perfect segue because as a
mom, like you just mentioned,that stress can already be
there, especially if you're oneof our moms who's struggling
with overwhelm or depression oranxiety, and you do need help
now when you need help now.
So can we talk about.
What struggles women are havingwith breastfeeding?
(06:12):
What are you guys normallyseeing that you help address and
any tips that you can give momswhen they kind of, the stress
hits of, oh no, what do I do?
Larissa Luce (06:21):
Yes, so that's a great question.
You know, breastfeeding is soholistic.
A lot of times we think ofbreastfeeding.
Feeding, just being a physicalthing, but it really is an
emotional and a mental thingtoo.
I know so many women makebreastfeeding plans before the
baby's even arrived, and theyhave plans usually early on in
pregnancy that they want tobreastfeed or try to breastfeed.
(06:42):
And so having success withbreastfeeding can really help
the emotional wellbeing of anindividual.
On the other hand, having.
a less successful journey orhaving maybe pain with
breastfeeding can reallyexacerbate stress and anxiety.
so tackling these issues as awhole, not just the physical,
but also the mental part reallycan help make breastfeeding
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successful.
and when we see physical issueswith and physical challenges
with breastfeeding, we often areseeing things like.
Discomfort, nipple pain,concerns about milk supply, and
often it's just a perceivedconcern about milk supply.
So connecting with an I-B-C-L-Cto get that anticipatory
guidance and education andwhat's normal, what's not
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normal.
Is this how it's supposed to beor is this not how it's supposed
to be?
And so having that sort ofsupport to.
Feel confident that what you'redoing is right and everything's
on track, and these milestonesare normal, can really help ease
a lot of that stress and anxietythat a lot of new moms face.
Kelly Siebold (07:46):
That is a great thing.
I love that you're looking atthe whole female collectively
and how that all plays intopostpartum period.
If there are women who arepregnant now, do you have any
advice of what they can do fromthe preventative or the
preparing side of breastfeeding?
I.
Larissa Luce (08:03):
Yeah, absolutely.
Take a prenatal class, reallyget that background information,
get the tools you need to knowwhat to expect and when to
expect it.
and connect with an I-B-C-L-Cand Nest Collaborative has some
amazing prenatal classes andone-on-one prenatal care to.
Really sort of look at thatwhole picture, your own risk
(08:25):
assessments, what your own goalsare, what your plans are, so
that you have those tools readyto go when baby comes.
And then of course, with themindset of we may have to
iterate maybe what your goalswere before are different now,
and that's okay too.
and we walk alongside you everystep of the way.
So as things change,'causeinevitably they will change,
have those tools and thatconfidence to make those
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changes.
Kelly Siebold (08:48):
I love that that was a personal experience.
I missed the pre-planning for itoutside of my OB saying, here's
a pump, your insurance pays forit.
I missed that whole experienceand that would have been lovely
to have that pre-training tocome into it with education
already.
So thank you for what you guysare doing for, to preventatively
prepare moms.
Judith Nowlin | Nest Collabo (09:08):
So as a former childbirth educator,
birth doula, and postpartumdoula, one thing I found so
interesting when I was workingboots on the ground is so many
families came for their prenatalchildbirth education and got a
lot of information andpreparatory experience getting
ready for the time of labor anddelivery.
(09:31):
And ordering things from thelist and getting the room set
up.
And then after baby was here, Iworked with more families than I
could count who realized I.
Oh my gosh.
I didn't prepare for this partat all.
didn't even think about it andI, we covered these topics
(09:52):
oftentimes in our childbirtheducation preparatory classes,
but somehow it is like, it was avacuum.
It was a vacuum of.
F entire focus on let's this getthis baby out healthy and happy.
But then afterwards came as ahuge shock and surprise and what
(10:13):
I realized, starting to workwith families and helping them
transition into their home afterlabor and delivery.
That the real work and thebiggest gap in our nation had
everything to do with thepostpartum time.
And that's when I became.
Insanely maniacally passionateabout working in the postpartum
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time and helping families getaccess to the care that they
need, and hopefully creatinggreater ease and greater
efficiency in how we do that.
So it's not feeling like you'reclimbing, you know, an uphill
mountain trying to get the typeof support that you rightly
deserve in this most tender andvulnerable time.
Kelly Siebold (11:00):
I couldn't have said it better myself.
'cause I think that's where ourpassion comes from as well.
Especially, I know you hear iton the podcast a lot, but there
is, like you said, Judith, thishuge gap for women postpartum
and planning everything beforeis great.
I.
And then you are pretty much onyour own it feels like.
And so knowing that there areorganizations like Nest
Collaborative who will not onlycome before your journey while
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you're preparing, but to bethere with you in this
transition period, so you're notin the middle of the night
trying to figure out who do youcall locally or how do you find
help.
There are people alreadyavailable and willing And it's
filling that gap.
So thank you for all the momsout there.
I mean, it's just there's not alot of companies that actually
help bring care to moms in thisspace, so thank you.
(11:46):
So let me ask this.
if a mom has gone through yourprenatal classes, they have
learned what to do.
Do you have recommendations foras they come home and they're
starting breastfeeding on theirown, going through struggles and
challenges, and if you'relooking at the whole mom, what
do you kind of see and recommendin these first few weeks that's
(12:07):
happening postpartum as they'rereally picking up breastfeeding?
Larissa Luce (12:11):
The fourth trimester is so important and we
don't always hear about thefourth trimester.
It's the first three that get somuch focus in that fourth
trimester.
Is so important, particularlywhile you're breastfeeding.
And so establish your team.
Who's your village?
Who are your support people?
And those are support peoplethat may be in your house with
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you.
You may have friends, a breastfriend, a best.
Friends that can help withbreastfeeding support and then
also your healthcare team andhave a lactation consultant that
if you haven't alreadyestablished a relationship with,
know that we are here with thiscollaborative to have that
breastfeeding support withinthose first few days when you
get home.
(12:52):
Because in the hospital it'sgreat.
You've got lactation consultantsthat are coming in the room.
You've got nurses, you've gotdoctors, you have people that
are there to answer yourquestions, and then you go home.
It's like, what now?
is when the milks come in, yourmilk hasn't come in in the
hospital most likely.
So now it's like, what's goingon?
so those first few days arereally critical in establishing
a great relationship withbreastfeeding.
(13:14):
And for a lot of women, theydon't go back to their
healthcare provider until weeksix, sometimes even after that.
having a frequent touchpointlike you would with a lactation
consultant who can see you,especially in the comfort of
your own home, you don't have todrag a newborn baby out to go to
an office.
You turn on your computer, youconnect with a Nest I-B-C-L-C,
and you've got that supportliterally at your fingertips for
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those really critical timeperiods.
In the beginning stages of thatfourth trimester.
Kelly Siebold (13:41):
I love that.
It's such great advice.
Let me ask a follow up question.
So if you're bringing yourbreast, their end, which I love
that phrase and I'm gonna use itgoing forward, or if your
partners being your supportperson.
What can those support people doto really help the mom in this
situation?
Do you have any recommendations?
Larissa Luce (13:59):
Great question.
A lot of times when we think ofsupport people, we think of sort
of like tangible physicalsupport.
You know, your partners bringingyou snacks and drinks and doing
diaper changes, and that, ofcourse, is so important.
It does help.
that mental and physical load.
but your support people alsobeing there for that emotional
support and giving you theconfidence and being your
personal cheerleader.
(14:19):
Everybody needs a cheerleader,but especially during that time
period where there's a lot ofchanges, a lot of uncertainties.
Doesn't matter if it's yourfirst baby or your 10th baby.
Every experience is new anddifferent.
And so having that.
Support team, they're giving youthat emotional support, in
addition to the physical supportis really important.
And have them be an advocatewith you and for you, and set
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clear boundaries.
If you don't want visitors in,in those first few weeks, them
be the, you know, quote unquotebad guy.
Have them be the one to help youenforce those boundaries that
you set for yourself so you canhave that time and space to
really feel comfortable andconfident in your breastfeeding
journey.
Judith Nowlin | Nest Co (14:59):
There's something super important here
around.
Around an intangible like Dr.
Lu mentioned, that is beingseen, simply being seen in these
moments, right when I wasreally, really early, first
couple of weeks with my firstborn.
(15:19):
He was little baby in arms andwe were working so hard to make
breastfeeding work.
And my husband, I remember himcoming up to my side and yes, he
helped with the snacks and hehelped with the water and he
helped me adjust the pillow whenit felt like I needed six more
arms in order to do this job.
And I remember this moment thatis burned in my memory.
(15:42):
He came and he, he sat next tome and he put his hand on my
knee and he said.
I wish I could help because thislooks really hard and I wish I
could help more than what I'malready doing.
And I said I.
tell you what wish you couldtoo, because this is hard every
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two hours and there's some paininvolved here at the beginning,
and I am sleepless and I'm notsure if it's working.
I'm not sure if it's workingright.
And, I said, but you seeing meand seeing what I'm experiencing
and being able to call it outand put words to it, everything.
(16:28):
Thank you.
Thank you for doing that part.
It tells me that I'm not aloneand that I'm not alone in this,
even if you can't physicallybreastfeed this child, on behalf
of us today.
What's really cool aboutbringing your full team
alongside you, whether that'syour own parents, your siblings,
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your neighbor, your best friend,your spouse, whomever, your
partner, whomever, it might be,your I-B-C-L-C, your doctor,
your mental health specialist.
when you get eyes on you and youget them to see you, that's the
magic moment.
And that is actually atransformative moment in the
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intangible.
And it's part of what we are soproud to bring forward in our
work at Nest Collaborative.
And we're so proud to partnerwith all the mental health
specialists out there who dothat as well.
Because a lot of moms.
Newborn baby comes out and allanybody sees is that baby, Hey,
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how's that baby doing?
Hey, look at this one.
So cute.
Amazing.
And, and parent is standingthere going, am I invisible?
What, what's going on?
All of a sudden no one's askinghow I'm doing.
No one seems to care if is hardfor me.
You know, even though I wantedthis, even though this is
(17:54):
absolutely a wonderful thing.
I'm having a hard time and I'mstruggling and nobody's seeing
that.
And so that's part of the magicof bringing your I-B-C-L-C
alongside and your mental healthspecialists alongside, and then.
Advocating and getting your teamaround you.
It makes all the difference inthe world.
Kelly Siebold (18:17):
It does, and that is the most beautifully told
story because you're right.
Being seen, especially from yourhusband in those hard moments
means the world.
I always joke about how when Ihad a child, I went on an
apology tour.
My friends had children a decadebefore me, and I did not show up
how a mom needed.
I showed up for the baby, justlike you said, Judith.
(18:38):
I wasn't there for the mom.
And so if you are the first onein your group who's having a
child, or you want to give yoursupport system ideas of how to
support you, I really encourageyou to share this episode with
them.
Let them hear some of the thingsthey could do, because some of
us needed educated on how to be.
A better support person orpartner.
And so walking us through that,Judith was very helpful and I
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love that he saw you in thatmoment.
Judith Nowlin | Nest Collabor (19:03):
I do too.
I do too.
It was magical.
And this lasted a really longtime at that moment.
One other very practical tiphere a friend, when we check in
on our new parent friends and wesay, how you doing?
And she says, good, fine.
Mm.
Pause.
As a friend, you say, really?
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How you really doing?
I.
And then we go there togetherthat good, that fine.
Hmm.
That's a surface response.
And we wanna really go to thatdepth of, I didn't expect this,
I wasn't prepared for this.
It hurts and I don't know why.
I'm, mentally having somestruggles and I'm having a hard
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time making sense of what'shappening mentally for me.
And then that's where as afriend, we can come around and
say, you're not alone.
You are not alone.
There's help out there.
Kelly Siebold (20:01):
Thank you.
That's exactly what all thefriends and support people need
to know So trying to show upmuch better for future
generations is key because Ifeel like, as you mentioned, the
beginning.
Beginning there is this gap forcare for moms, but companies are
slowly starting to make thesechanges just like you are, and
it's so impactful.
So let me ask this.
(20:21):
We talked about those first fewweeks.
You've got your support team,you're working through it.
You've brought your lactationsupport person in.
You're really getting help.
There's a lot of stress thatcomes from moms if they are
returning to work and maybethey're returning to work and
they're breastfeeding andthere's already this stress of
what's happening.
What do you all see in thatdynamic when you're trying to
(20:45):
continue breastfeeding?
If you are and you're going backto work and how that kind of
exasperates any stress.
Larissa Luce (20:52):
I mean, going to work can be stressful regardless
if you have a baby or not.
And so you add this extra layeron top of it and it can be.
Definitely a source for a lot ofmoms of anxiety.
so having those conversationswith your employer before you go
on maternity leave, is helpfulif you have that opportunity.
But it's not always possible fora lot of moms.
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And some moms don't even know ifthey plan to return to work
until the time comes and thebaby's however old the baby is.
connecting with an I-B-C-L-C toget those tips and tricks and
creating a schedule and a.
Plan that works best for theindividual because it's so
individualized.
Not everybody has a nine to fivejob.
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Not everybody has a desk job.
You know, there's so manydifferent types of positions
that require a little bit of,you know, Tetris when it comes
to schedules to get that pumpingin, but also becoming familiar
with.
Both your workplace, your localorganization, laws and policies,
your state laws and policies,and of course the federal ones
(21:53):
that protect working moms sothat they can get whatever time
they need to express milk in anyway that they need to.
Kelly Siebold (22:03):
Is a great tip, and you're right, everybody's
job is different.
How do you make it work for youand having the right person help
you plan for that can be reallyhelpful.
When it comes to the mentalhealth, talking about the whole
person, the mom, how doesbreastfeeding play into mental
health?
(22:23):
Are they related?
Have you seen kind of anycorrelation?
What is that like for a mom whomay be already struggling?
Larissa Luce (22:31):
There is a major connection between breastfeeding
and mental health.
so on the positive side, ofcourse, there's that bonding
benefit that you get frombreastfeeding, that closeness
that you get with your baby fromdirectly breastfeeding.
Feeding.
Um, but there's also the sciencebehind it.
There's hormonal science wherewhen you're breastfeeding, it's
stimulating the release of thesefeel good hormones.
(22:54):
one of them is called oxytocin,and it provides this feeling of
relaxation and stress reductionand anxiety reduction.
So every time you breastfeed orexpress milk, it's releasing
this hormone, which is justmaking you feel warm and fuzzy
inside.
And sometimes it makes moms feela little sleepy and just totally
relaxed.
So there is a real scienceconnection behind it, and for
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those that have breastfeedinggoals and ambitions and are
doing well with breastfeeding,it can be really a great sense
of accomplishment and a boost ofconfidence and a boost of
self-esteem.
On the other hand, there canalso be a little bit of a
connection between breastfeedingand negative mental health if
it's not going well, becausethen that can create some extra
(23:37):
stress.
So reaching out, getting somelactation support to tackle some
of these challenges as they cocome up can help alleviate some
of that stress and anxiety thatcomes along with it.
and also giving yourself somegrace and permission to wean if
that's what's best for yourmental health.
We, in this collaborative meetmoms where they are in their
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journey and we walk alongsidethem.
We are not going to forcesomeone to breastfeed whatever
their goals are, we are there tobe a support.
And so if it comes to the pointwhere you feel like, uh, my
mental health is reallystruggling, I think what would
make me happiest is to wean,give yourself permission to do
so without guilt.
(24:18):
And without feelings of failure,and let us be there to support
you doing it in the mostcomfortable and safest way, so
that you feel confident andproud of your journey, however
long that is.
Judith Nowlin | Nest Collab (24:32):
One of the most important things as
mothers, as parents from thevery beginning in pregnancy
through labor and delivery, I.
Early postpartum, fourthtrimester and beyond.
I have adult children now, so Itgoes all the way, is truly the
ability to listen to yourself.
(24:54):
I.
Listen to your body's cues.
Listen to what your gut instinctis saying.
When we learn how to do that,it's always a success.
And so the outcome, if we try toattach.
success to a particular outcomethat was pre imagined.
(25:15):
More times than not, we'llprobably just be very
disappointed.
And then we as women have ahistory of bringing guilt and
shame and unkind words ontoourselves, and that is a
scenario that does not need tohappen at all.
And that's what I love about ourIBCLCs, who are trained like
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Larissa said, meet familieswhere they're at.
Listen to yourself, what's rightfor you.
What's the best choice for your.
Self for your baby, for yourfamily, for your circumstance.
That is a choice that is uniqueto you.
It is not anybody else'ssituation.
Nobody knows your situation andnobody can make that choice for
(25:59):
you.
So digging deep, that's the, Ilearned, you know, when I was
teaching childbirth educationclasses and got started 20 years
ago, doing that.
At first I thought it was aboutwe're teaching people how babies
come out of bodies, you know,this way, that way the other
way.
And I realized really quicklythat's not what this is about at
(26:19):
all.
This is about teaching families,teaching mothers and fathers how
to listen to their instincts.
'cause their instincts willguide best.
Kelly Siebold (26:33):
so well said.
And something that as a new mom,I'm still trying to learn.
you kind of get your groundingas you do more and more and just
such a great reminder for all ofus as our children age.
It still comes back to, youknow, you best, and so thinking
through.
Moms who may already haveanxiety or overwhelmed.
It's a, there's a lot going onin this fourth trimester.
(26:56):
If breastfeeding is one of thoseadditional stressors or
challenges, the NestCollaborative is available.
Judith, if moms are interestedor want to know more, how do
they reach out and get in touchwith you all?
Judith Nowlin | Nest Coll (27:09):
Yeah, it's so simple.
They can go to our website.
Nest collaborative.com andnavigate to the book an
appointment here button and putyour information in.
We'll validate your insurance,we'll let you know if it's a
plan that we accept or don'taccept.
(27:29):
If we don't accept the plan, wealso take HSA and FSA.
We also have discounted self payrates.
We've got group classes forprenatal group classes on
postpartum topics.
We've got a really cool latchlounge peer support group.
one that's very popular is a.
Native Spanish speaking LatchLounge Group.
(27:51):
It's so much fun in there.
all of the support happeningwith an I-B-C-L-C facilitating
those interactions and,providing that lactation
support.
We've got one-on-one visits, forprenatal education for.
Immediate, uh, I mean, literally48 hours after baby's born, you
(28:13):
can come in and have a, or noteven 48 hours, you can come in
anytime you want, have anappointment, a immediate
postpartum within those earlydays, fourth trimester, and all
the way through weaning every.
Point of navigation, teething,starting solids, return to work.
We are right there with you.
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And it's just as simple as goingto the website, clicking on the
button, book an appointmenthere, and you put your
information in.
And we can oftentimes see youwithin two hours of you
initiating that, kind ofoutreach for I would like an
appointment.
Kelly Siebold (28:52):
that's amazing.
And moms and no listening,breastfeeding can be one of
those things that is stressful.
And so we wanted to bring yousupport today, a place to find
help if you're looking for it.
Dr.
Lu Judah, thank you both so muchfor talking with us today,
sharing your insights.
Before we wrap up, is thereanything else you would want a
mom listening to know?
Larissa Luce (29:13):
You are doing a great job.
You are doing a great job.
Be proud of your journey,whatever that looks like.
Judith Nowlin | Nest Col (29:21):
You've got this.
in yourself and the wonderful,wonderful life force that you're
bringing forward as you parentthis new child.
such an incredible journey, andwhen you listen to your gut and
you listen to your instincts,you're making the right choices
every step of the way.
Kelly Siebold (29:41):
Ladies, thank you Moms.
We hope that you got someinsights out of this, some ways
to seek support if you arelooking for that.
And remember, we will be herenext week.
Have a great one.
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Welcome to Let's ThrivePostpartum, where we tackle
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Head on, guiding you back toyourself.
Join Kelly Seabold, founder ofThrive Postpartum and Ashley
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Welcome to the village.
Let's thrive postpartum.
Kelly Siebold (00:38):
Hi moms and welcome back to Let's Thrive
Postpartum.
I'm Kelly, and today we arediving into a topic that affects
nearly every new motherbreastfeeding and the journey
that comes along with it.
So I am incredibly honored towelcome two powerhouse guests
from Nest Collaborative, aleader in virtual lactation
(00:59):
support who is making wavesacross the country.
So first we have Judith, Nowlan,a venture backed to FinTech.
Pioneer, a maternal healthinnovator with over 20 years of
experience building companiesand driving innovation.
As the CEO of NestCollaborative, she leads one of
the nation's foremost virtuallactation platforms, delivering
(01:21):
over 80,000 tele lactationvisits to date and partnering
with hundreds of insurancepayers nationwide.
Previously, she founded I Birtha Groundbreaking Pregnancy and
Postpartum Care app, which wasacquired by Baby Scripts in
2018.
A former childbirth educator,birth and postpartum doula,
Judith has raised more than$10million to advance maternal
(01:43):
care.
And joining her is Dr.
Larissa Lu, a registereddietician international Board
certified lactation consultantand certified perinatal mental
health specialist dedicated toproactive and preventative care.
As the Director of ClinicalServices at Nest Collaborative,
she helped develop a novelpreventative model of lactation
(02:05):
care to provide longitudinalbreastfeeding support across the
perinatal continuum.
She's also the author of EatingFrom Bump to Baby, a cookbook
and guide featuring nutritiondense recipes to support mothers
throughout the perinatal period.
Ladies, thank you so much forjoining us today.
(02:25):
I know all of our momslistening.
Speaking from self experience,have had challenges or are
having challenges or don't knowwhat to do if those challenges
occur.
So I can't wait to have youshare your thoughts and your
expertise.
Judith, tell us a little bitmore about the Nest
Collaborative and what you allare trying to do for women
(02:46):
across the country.
Judith Nowlin | Nes (02:48):
Absolutely.
Kelly, thank you so much forhaving us on your podcast today.
Excited to be here at NestCollaborative.
We are a virtual lactationsupport platform offering
telehealth video consult.
With IB CLCs, those are theinternational board certified
lactation consultants, the goldstandard in lactation care.
(03:09):
What's really cool about ourtelehealth platform is that we
are available 365 days a year,including early mornings, late
nights, weekends, and holidays.
We work alongside OBGYNs,midwives, pediatricians.
As an extension of the criticalcare team, we are
(03:29):
revolutionizing the role thatlactation support plays in the
big picture of maternalhealthcare, prenatal through
postpartum.
And what's really, reallyspecial about what we're
building here is that we'rehelping health insurance plans
comply with the a CA mandatewith regards to preventive
(03:51):
lactation support, which saysthat plans must.
Cover lactation support as apreventive service with no copay
and no deductible throughout theduration of breastfeeding.
And as a result, we accepthundreds of insurance plans and
in the ever expanding list ofMedicaid plans across the
nation, we offer culturallycompetent care and make it
(04:14):
really, really accessible forfamilies, which breaks the
status quo of wondering when youwake up in the morning and
realize uhoh.
I think there might be aproblem.
Who should I call?
Will they be available?
How far away are they?
Do they have an appointmentavailable today or is it gonna
be three weeks from now?
Is it a three hour drive or athree minute drive?
(04:36):
With Nest Collaborative in ourplatform, it literally, it.
the access you need to the careand the support you need.
day with caring providers, rightfrom the comfort of your own
home.
And if the insurance plan thatyou have covers this, then you
(04:57):
do it at$0 out of pocket to you.
Kelly Siebold (05:01):
Judith, that is such an amazing service and so
many moms need it.
We talk a lot on this podcastabout there are maternal care
deserts across the us.
You can't find providers acouple hours away.
You have to drive the.
Fact that this is available tomoms for IBL certified lactation
consultants on their phone ortheir computer is phenomenal.
(05:22):
Such a great resource to have.
Judith Nowlin | Nest Col (05:25):
That's what it's all about.
Timely, accessible, convenient,affordable.
And so our moms, when they findus, it is pure delight because
the level of stress around, Ineed help and I need it now, and
it really can't wait tilltomorrow or next week.
(05:46):
That's where the magic happenswith our IB CLCs.
Kelly Siebold (05:50):
That is perfect and a perfect segue because as a
mom, like you just mentioned,that stress can already be
there, especially if you're oneof our moms who's struggling
with overwhelm or depression oranxiety, and you do need help
now when you need help now.
So can we talk about.
What struggles women are havingwith breastfeeding?
(06:12):
What are you guys normallyseeing that you help address and
any tips that you can give momswhen they kind of, the stress
hits of, oh no, what do I do?
Larissa Luce (06:21):
Yes, so that's a great question.
You know, breastfeeding is soholistic.
A lot of times we think ofbreastfeeding.
Feeding, just being a physicalthing, but it really is an
emotional and a mental thingtoo.
I know so many women makebreastfeeding plans before the
baby's even arrived, and theyhave plans usually early on in
pregnancy that they want tobreastfeed or try to breastfeed.
(06:42):
And so having success withbreastfeeding can really help
the emotional wellbeing of anindividual.
On the other hand, having.
a less successful journey orhaving maybe pain with
breastfeeding can reallyexacerbate stress and anxiety.
so tackling these issues as awhole, not just the physical,
but also the mental part reallycan help make breastfeeding
(07:04):
successful.
and when we see physical issueswith and physical challenges
with breastfeeding, we often areseeing things like.
Discomfort, nipple pain,concerns about milk supply, and
often it's just a perceivedconcern about milk supply.
So connecting with an I-B-C-L-Cto get that anticipatory
guidance and education andwhat's normal, what's not
(07:26):
normal.
Is this how it's supposed to beor is this not how it's supposed
to be?
And so having that sort ofsupport to.
Feel confident that what you'redoing is right and everything's
on track, and these milestonesare normal, can really help ease
a lot of that stress and anxietythat a lot of new moms face.
Kelly Siebold (07:46):
That is a great thing.
I love that you're looking atthe whole female collectively
and how that all plays intopostpartum period.
If there are women who arepregnant now, do you have any
advice of what they can do fromthe preventative or the
preparing side of breastfeeding?
I.
Larissa Luce (08:03):
Yeah, absolutely.
Take a prenatal class, reallyget that background information,
get the tools you need to knowwhat to expect and when to
expect it.
and connect with an I-B-C-L-Cand Nest Collaborative has some
amazing prenatal classes andone-on-one prenatal care to.
Really sort of look at thatwhole picture, your own risk
(08:25):
assessments, what your own goalsare, what your plans are, so
that you have those tools readyto go when baby comes.
And then of course, with themindset of we may have to
iterate maybe what your goalswere before are different now,
and that's okay too.
and we walk alongside you everystep of the way.
So as things change,'causeinevitably they will change,
have those tools and thatconfidence to make those
(08:47):
changes.
Kelly Siebold (08:48):
I love that that was a personal experience.
I missed the pre-planning for itoutside of my OB saying, here's
a pump, your insurance pays forit.
I missed that whole experienceand that would have been lovely
to have that pre-training tocome into it with education
already.
So thank you for what you guysare doing for, to preventatively
prepare moms.
Judith Nowlin | Nest Collabo (09:08):
So as a former childbirth educator,
birth doula, and postpartumdoula, one thing I found so
interesting when I was workingboots on the ground is so many
families came for their prenatalchildbirth education and got a
lot of information andpreparatory experience getting
ready for the time of labor anddelivery.
(09:31):
And ordering things from thelist and getting the room set
up.
And then after baby was here, Iworked with more families than I
could count who realized I.
Oh my gosh.
I didn't prepare for this partat all.
didn't even think about it andI, we covered these topics
(09:52):
oftentimes in our childbirtheducation preparatory classes,
but somehow it is like, it was avacuum.
It was a vacuum of.
F entire focus on let's this getthis baby out healthy and happy.
But then afterwards came as ahuge shock and surprise and what
(10:13):
I realized, starting to workwith families and helping them
transition into their home afterlabor and delivery.
That the real work and thebiggest gap in our nation had
everything to do with thepostpartum time.
And that's when I became.
Insanely maniacally passionateabout working in the postpartum
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time and helping families getaccess to the care that they
need, and hopefully creatinggreater ease and greater
efficiency in how we do that.
So it's not feeling like you'reclimbing, you know, an uphill
mountain trying to get the typeof support that you rightly
deserve in this most tender andvulnerable time.
Kelly Siebold (11:00):
I couldn't have said it better myself.
'cause I think that's where ourpassion comes from as well.
Especially, I know you hear iton the podcast a lot, but there
is, like you said, Judith, thishuge gap for women postpartum
and planning everything beforeis great.
I.
And then you are pretty much onyour own it feels like.
And so knowing that there areorganizations like Nest
Collaborative who will not onlycome before your journey while
(11:23):
you're preparing, but to bethere with you in this
transition period, so you're notin the middle of the night
trying to figure out who do youcall locally or how do you find
help.
There are people alreadyavailable and willing And it's
filling that gap.
So thank you for all the momsout there.
I mean, it's just there's not alot of companies that actually
help bring care to moms in thisspace, so thank you.
(11:46):
So let me ask this.
if a mom has gone through yourprenatal classes, they have
learned what to do.
Do you have recommendations foras they come home and they're
starting breastfeeding on theirown, going through struggles and
challenges, and if you'relooking at the whole mom, what
do you kind of see and recommendin these first few weeks that's
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happening postpartum as they'rereally picking up breastfeeding?
Larissa Luce (12:11):
The fourth trimester is so important and we
don't always hear about thefourth trimester.
It's the first three that get somuch focus in that fourth
trimester.
Is so important, particularlywhile you're breastfeeding.
And so establish your team.
Who's your village?
Who are your support people?
And those are support peoplethat may be in your house with
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you.
You may have friends, a breastfriend, a best.
Friends that can help withbreastfeeding support and then
also your healthcare team andhave a lactation consultant that
if you haven't alreadyestablished a relationship with,
know that we are here with thiscollaborative to have that
breastfeeding support withinthose first few days when you
get home.
(12:52):
Because in the hospital it'sgreat.
You've got lactation consultantsthat are coming in the room.
You've got nurses, you've gotdoctors, you have people that
are there to answer yourquestions, and then you go home.
It's like, what now?
is when the milks come in, yourmilk hasn't come in in the
hospital most likely.
So now it's like, what's goingon?
so those first few days arereally critical in establishing
a great relationship withbreastfeeding.
(13:14):
And for a lot of women, theydon't go back to their
healthcare provider until weeksix, sometimes even after that.
having a frequent touchpointlike you would with a lactation
consultant who can see you,especially in the comfort of
your own home, you don't have todrag a newborn baby out to go to
an office.
You turn on your computer, youconnect with a Nest I-B-C-L-C,
and you've got that supportliterally at your fingertips for
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those really critical timeperiods.
In the beginning stages of thatfourth trimester.
Kelly Siebold (13:41):
I love that.
It's such great advice.
Let me ask a follow up question.
So if you're bringing yourbreast, their end, which I love
that phrase and I'm gonna use itgoing forward, or if your
partners being your supportperson.
What can those support people doto really help the mom in this
situation?
Do you have any recommendations?
Larissa Luce (13:59):
Great question.
A lot of times when we think ofsupport people, we think of sort
of like tangible physicalsupport.
You know, your partners bringingyou snacks and drinks and doing
diaper changes, and that, ofcourse, is so important.
It does help.
that mental and physical load.
but your support people alsobeing there for that emotional
support and giving you theconfidence and being your
personal cheerleader.
(14:19):
Everybody needs a cheerleader,but especially during that time
period where there's a lot ofchanges, a lot of uncertainties.
Doesn't matter if it's yourfirst baby or your 10th baby.
Every experience is new anddifferent.
And so having that.
Support team, they're giving youthat emotional support, in
addition to the physical supportis really important.
And have them be an advocatewith you and for you, and set
(14:42):
clear boundaries.
If you don't want visitors in,in those first few weeks, them
be the, you know, quote unquotebad guy.
Have them be the one to help youenforce those boundaries that
you set for yourself so you canhave that time and space to
really feel comfortable andconfident in your breastfeeding
journey.
Judith Nowlin | Nest Co (14:59):
There's something super important here
around.
Around an intangible like Dr.
Lu mentioned, that is beingseen, simply being seen in these
moments, right when I wasreally, really early, first
couple of weeks with my firstborn.
(15:19):
He was little baby in arms andwe were working so hard to make
breastfeeding work.
And my husband, I remember himcoming up to my side and yes, he
helped with the snacks and hehelped with the water and he
helped me adjust the pillow whenit felt like I needed six more
arms in order to do this job.
And I remember this moment thatis burned in my memory.
(15:42):
He came and he, he sat next tome and he put his hand on my
knee and he said.
I wish I could help because thislooks really hard and I wish I
could help more than what I'malready doing.
And I said I.
tell you what wish you couldtoo, because this is hard every
(16:06):
two hours and there's some paininvolved here at the beginning,
and I am sleepless and I'm notsure if it's working.
I'm not sure if it's workingright.
And, I said, but you seeing meand seeing what I'm experiencing
and being able to call it outand put words to it, everything.
(16:28):
Thank you.
Thank you for doing that part.
It tells me that I'm not aloneand that I'm not alone in this,
even if you can't physicallybreastfeed this child, on behalf
of us today.
What's really cool aboutbringing your full team
alongside you, whether that'syour own parents, your siblings,
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your neighbor, your best friend,your spouse, whomever, your
partner, whomever, it might be,your I-B-C-L-C, your doctor,
your mental health specialist.
when you get eyes on you and youget them to see you, that's the
magic moment.
And that is actually atransformative moment in the
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intangible.
And it's part of what we are soproud to bring forward in our
work at Nest Collaborative.
And we're so proud to partnerwith all the mental health
specialists out there who dothat as well.
Because a lot of moms.
Newborn baby comes out and allanybody sees is that baby, Hey,
(17:33):
how's that baby doing?
Hey, look at this one.
So cute.
Amazing.
And, and parent is standingthere going, am I invisible?
What, what's going on?
All of a sudden no one's askinghow I'm doing.
No one seems to care if is hardfor me.
You know, even though I wantedthis, even though this is
(17:54):
absolutely a wonderful thing.
I'm having a hard time and I'mstruggling and nobody's seeing
that.
And so that's part of the magicof bringing your I-B-C-L-C
alongside and your mental healthspecialists alongside, and then.
Advocating and getting your teamaround you.
It makes all the difference inthe world.
Kelly Siebold (18:17):
It does, and that is the most beautifully told
story because you're right.
Being seen, especially from yourhusband in those hard moments
means the world.
I always joke about how when Ihad a child, I went on an
apology tour.
My friends had children a decadebefore me, and I did not show up
how a mom needed.
I showed up for the baby, justlike you said, Judith.
(18:38):
I wasn't there for the mom.
And so if you are the first onein your group who's having a
child, or you want to give yoursupport system ideas of how to
support you, I really encourageyou to share this episode with
them.
Let them hear some of the thingsthey could do, because some of
us needed educated on how to be.
A better support person orpartner.
And so walking us through that,Judith was very helpful and I
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love that he saw you in thatmoment.
Judith Nowlin | Nest Collabor (19:03):
I do too.
I do too.
It was magical.
And this lasted a really longtime at that moment.
One other very practical tiphere a friend, when we check in
on our new parent friends and wesay, how you doing?
And she says, good, fine.
Mm.
Pause.
As a friend, you say, really?
(19:26):
How you really doing?
I.
And then we go there togetherthat good, that fine.
Hmm.
That's a surface response.
And we wanna really go to thatdepth of, I didn't expect this,
I wasn't prepared for this.
It hurts and I don't know why.
I'm, mentally having somestruggles and I'm having a hard
(19:49):
time making sense of what'shappening mentally for me.
And then that's where as afriend, we can come around and
say, you're not alone.
You are not alone.
There's help out there.
Kelly Siebold (20:01):
Thank you.
That's exactly what all thefriends and support people need
to know So trying to show upmuch better for future
generations is key because Ifeel like, as you mentioned, the
beginning.
Beginning there is this gap forcare for moms, but companies are
slowly starting to make thesechanges just like you are, and
it's so impactful.
So let me ask this.
(20:21):
We talked about those first fewweeks.
You've got your support team,you're working through it.
You've brought your lactationsupport person in.
You're really getting help.
There's a lot of stress thatcomes from moms if they are
returning to work and maybethey're returning to work and
they're breastfeeding andthere's already this stress of
what's happening.
What do you all see in thatdynamic when you're trying to
(20:45):
continue breastfeeding?
If you are and you're going backto work and how that kind of
exasperates any stress.
Larissa Luce (20:52):
I mean, going to work can be stressful regardless
if you have a baby or not.
And so you add this extra layeron top of it and it can be.
Definitely a source for a lot ofmoms of anxiety.
so having those conversationswith your employer before you go
on maternity leave, is helpfulif you have that opportunity.
But it's not always possible fora lot of moms.
(21:12):
And some moms don't even know ifthey plan to return to work
until the time comes and thebaby's however old the baby is.
connecting with an I-B-C-L-C toget those tips and tricks and
creating a schedule and a.
Plan that works best for theindividual because it's so
individualized.
Not everybody has a nine to fivejob.
(21:33):
Not everybody has a desk job.
You know, there's so manydifferent types of positions
that require a little bit of,you know, Tetris when it comes
to schedules to get that pumpingin, but also becoming familiar
with.
Both your workplace, your localorganization, laws and policies,
your state laws and policies,and of course the federal ones
(21:53):
that protect working moms sothat they can get whatever time
they need to express milk in anyway that they need to.
Kelly Siebold (22:03):
Is a great tip, and you're right, everybody's
job is different.
How do you make it work for youand having the right person help
you plan for that can be reallyhelpful.
When it comes to the mentalhealth, talking about the whole
person, the mom, how doesbreastfeeding play into mental
health?
(22:23):
Are they related?
Have you seen kind of anycorrelation?
What is that like for a mom whomay be already struggling?
Larissa Luce (22:31):
There is a major connection between breastfeeding
and mental health.
so on the positive side, ofcourse, there's that bonding
benefit that you get frombreastfeeding, that closeness
that you get with your baby fromdirectly breastfeeding.
Feeding.
Um, but there's also the sciencebehind it.
There's hormonal science wherewhen you're breastfeeding, it's
stimulating the release of thesefeel good hormones.
(22:54):
one of them is called oxytocin,and it provides this feeling of
relaxation and stress reductionand anxiety reduction.
So every time you breastfeed orexpress milk, it's releasing
this hormone, which is justmaking you feel warm and fuzzy
inside.
And sometimes it makes moms feela little sleepy and just totally
relaxed.
So there is a real scienceconnection behind it, and for
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those that have breastfeedinggoals and ambitions and are
doing well with breastfeeding,it can be really a great sense
of accomplishment and a boost ofconfidence and a boost of
self-esteem.
On the other hand, there canalso be a little bit of a
connection between breastfeedingand negative mental health if
it's not going well, becausethen that can create some extra
(23:37):
stress.
So reaching out, getting somelactation support to tackle some
of these challenges as they cocome up can help alleviate some
of that stress and anxiety thatcomes along with it.
and also giving yourself somegrace and permission to wean if
that's what's best for yourmental health.
We, in this collaborative meetmoms where they are in their
(23:58):
journey and we walk alongsidethem.
We are not going to forcesomeone to breastfeed whatever
their goals are, we are there tobe a support.
And so if it comes to the pointwhere you feel like, uh, my
mental health is reallystruggling, I think what would
make me happiest is to wean,give yourself permission to do
so without guilt.
(24:18):
And without feelings of failure,and let us be there to support
you doing it in the mostcomfortable and safest way, so
that you feel confident andproud of your journey, however
long that is.
Judith Nowlin | Nest Collab (24:32):
One of the most important things as
mothers, as parents from thevery beginning in pregnancy
through labor and delivery, I.
Early postpartum, fourthtrimester and beyond.
I have adult children now, so Itgoes all the way, is truly the
ability to listen to yourself.
(24:54):
I.
Listen to your body's cues.
Listen to what your gut instinctis saying.
When we learn how to do that,it's always a success.
And so the outcome, if we try toattach.
success to a particular outcomethat was pre imagined.
(25:15):
More times than not, we'llprobably just be very
disappointed.
And then we as women have ahistory of bringing guilt and
shame and unkind words ontoourselves, and that is a
scenario that does not need tohappen at all.
And that's what I love about ourIBCLCs, who are trained like
(25:38):
Larissa said, meet familieswhere they're at.
Listen to yourself, what's rightfor you.
What's the best choice for your.
Self for your baby, for yourfamily, for your circumstance.
That is a choice that is uniqueto you.
It is not anybody else'ssituation.
Nobody knows your situation andnobody can make that choice for
(25:59):
you.
So digging deep, that's the, Ilearned, you know, when I was
teaching childbirth educationclasses and got started 20 years
ago, doing that.
At first I thought it was aboutwe're teaching people how babies
come out of bodies, you know,this way, that way the other
way.
And I realized really quicklythat's not what this is about at
(26:19):
all.
This is about teaching families,teaching mothers and fathers how
to listen to their instincts.
'cause their instincts willguide best.
Kelly Siebold (26:33):
so well said.
And something that as a new mom,I'm still trying to learn.
you kind of get your groundingas you do more and more and just
such a great reminder for all ofus as our children age.
It still comes back to, youknow, you best, and so thinking
through.
Moms who may already haveanxiety or overwhelmed.
It's a, there's a lot going onin this fourth trimester.
(26:56):
If breastfeeding is one of thoseadditional stressors or
challenges, the NestCollaborative is available.
Judith, if moms are interestedor want to know more, how do
they reach out and get in touchwith you all?
Judith Nowlin | Nest Coll (27:09):
Yeah, it's so simple.
They can go to our website.
Nest collaborative.com andnavigate to the book an
appointment here button and putyour information in.
We'll validate your insurance,we'll let you know if it's a
plan that we accept or don'taccept.
(27:29):
If we don't accept the plan, wealso take HSA and FSA.
We also have discounted self payrates.
We've got group classes forprenatal group classes on
postpartum topics.
We've got a really cool latchlounge peer support group.
one that's very popular is a.
Native Spanish speaking LatchLounge Group.
(27:51):
It's so much fun in there.
all of the support happeningwith an I-B-C-L-C facilitating
those interactions and,providing that lactation
support.
We've got one-on-one visits, forprenatal education for.
Immediate, uh, I mean, literally48 hours after baby's born, you
(28:13):
can come in and have a, or noteven 48 hours, you can come in
anytime you want, have anappointment, a immediate
postpartum within those earlydays, fourth trimester, and all
the way through weaning every.
Point of navigation, teething,starting solids, return to work.
We are right there with you.
(28:34):
And it's just as simple as goingto the website, clicking on the
button, book an appointmenthere, and you put your
information in.
And we can oftentimes see youwithin two hours of you
initiating that, kind ofoutreach for I would like an
appointment.
Kelly Siebold (28:52):
that's amazing.
And moms and no listening,breastfeeding can be one of
those things that is stressful.
And so we wanted to bring yousupport today, a place to find
help if you're looking for it.
Dr.
Lu Judah, thank you both so muchfor talking with us today,
sharing your insights.
Before we wrap up, is thereanything else you would want a
mom listening to know?
Larissa Luce (29:13):
You are doing a great job.
You are doing a great job.
Be proud of your journey,whatever that looks like.
Judith Nowlin | Nest Col (29:21):
You've got this.
in yourself and the wonderful,wonderful life force that you're
bringing forward as you parentthis new child.
such an incredible journey, andwhen you listen to your gut and
you listen to your instincts,you're making the right choices
every step of the way.
Kelly Siebold (29:41):
Ladies, thank you Moms.
We hope that you got someinsights out of this, some ways
to seek support if you arelooking for that.
And remember, we will be herenext week.
Have a great one.
If you enjoyed this episode andfound it helpful, please be sure
to hit subscribe.
Leave us your feedback and giveus a five star review.
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