This episode delves into the captivating world of writing within the mafia romance genre, featuring author Darma Day, who shares her inspiring journey of character development and storytelling. Throughout the discussion, we explore various tropes, the creative process behind writing, and the vibrant community supporting indie authors.
• Exploration of inspirations behind writing and character creation
• Discussion on the accidental pregnancy trope and its significance
• Insight into the transitional journey from paranormal to mafia romance
• Importance of feedback and editing within the writing community
• Conversations about the darker themes in literature and their impact
• Dharma's visions for future projects and character stories
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey y'all.
Hey, you are watching andlistening to Licks Between the
Lines and I am your host, lex.
Of course I'm Lex.
So let's go ahead and get intothese trigger warnings, because
I'm so excited about the guest,the host that we have today,
because I love Mafia.
It's one of my faves.
Really all of them are my faves, but anyway, let's get into
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this.
So, for the most part, I try tostay between the lines.
I only cross them sometimes.
So, with that being said, therewill be adult content discussed
, there will be adult languagetalked, and this is your trigger
warning.
Without further ado, I'm goingto let my co-host introduce
herself hi, I am darma jay um.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Most of you, or if any of you would know me, it's
from City of Wind and Lies amafia meets office romance with
a very pierced male MMC thatisn't afraid to show his female
lead how much he loves her inmany, many places.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Was that a Jacob's Ladder?
Yeah, how many wrong.
That's so nasty I'm, so my mystay in the gutter.
How many Ten?
Speaker 2 (01:22):
My Google search history is wild man, I was just
about to say where, where didthis come from?
I mean, why not?
Speaker 1 (01:32):
and dorm.
I'm so nosy.
Have you ever experienced ajacob's?
Speaker 2 (01:37):
ladder, not a jacob's ladder, just just a single,
just a single little one-off,one-off barbell I'm just trying
to picture like, because I don'tthink you.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
You gave us like when he went and got this done nope,
he's had it like was he goingthrough a phase when he got this
?
Speaker 2 (02:05):
I mean probably.
I mean like piercings are liketattoos, I mean you don't always
have to have a reason for it,you just like feel the feel, the
urge I'm so like I said I'm so.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Did he like?
Because my, I know and I knowthese are characters, but I get
so like in their backstories.
I'll be.
Like I said I'm so nosy, I'd bewanting to know, like, are we
gonna'm so nosy?
I be wanting to know, like, arewe gonna get an ex?
Cause I wanna know like, wasthis done at one time?
Cause, oh yeah, all at once,and I'm just gonna say it, I'm
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um, I haven't really.
I really hope my wife don't be,I hope my wife don't be, I hope
my wife don't watch these.
Are my family, are my mama witha nosy ass?
Cause the question I wanna whatI wanna say Like I'm trying to
think of, like how I can say itwhen, if they do watch it?
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Cause, so I have a wife, butnot saying that I haven't been
with guys, but I haven't beenwith like a lot and like, is it
like?
I'm just trying to see, likeit's not, you know, is it on the
bottom of the bottom or the?
Speaker 2 (03:16):
top.
Traditional bowies and mosttraditional jacob's ladders are
on the underside and they startup um about the base where it
connects and run up towards thetip.
And then there's otherpiercings that go through the
tip and then they can be on thefront as well, and there's a
difference some people havebarbells and some people have
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hoops um along the shaft as well.
And again uh, my google searchhistory is wild there's an
entire reddit thread dedicatedto piercings of that nature.
What are you married, norma?
Speaker 1 (03:55):
I am I don't know what, because I'm just thinking
some of the things in the book.
I was like what?
What?
Wait a minute, are you blushing?
Are you blushing?
What is somebody like?
Did it just come off the top ofyour head, or I'm?
Speaker 2 (04:17):
kind of both, because it's like, I mean, like some of
the scenes, like when you'reyou're writing a character and
you're like in the moment andyou know like there's like
tension and like steam building,it's just like, well, why not
here?
Or like in your mind you'relike, well, if it was here, like
what could happen or what wouldhappen or what would be like a
fantasy to have happen, kind ofthing, and then it just kind of
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comes out so this was all fromyour mind, like this wasn't no
experience, or?
Speaker 1 (04:47):
most of it I'm trying to remember, like all of them,
like I don't remember, likelet's talk about the first
meetup and I know I'm jumping onin, but first of all I just
wanted to say and I'm so used towhen I read things I'm a very
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violent little thing when itcomes to the book world not me
in real life, even though therehave been situations.
But we're not talking aboutthat.
We're talking about when shewalked in and the neighbor uh
(05:30):
yeah, dorma, I wanted her toknock everything off the fucking
counter in the shelves, likewhat were?
Like what was your mindset whenyou wrote that part?
Did you want her to be likethis?
Like how, how, what was?
Like, like I said, I wanted herto shake something.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
She rin was obviously upset, but like she was like
tired of.
She was like tired of caringabout not caring, Because her
and Trey's relationship had notbeen great for a long time and
she just felt like over it.
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And like so she was.
She was hurt by it, but she wasalso just just over it.
Like so she was, she was hurtby it, but she was also just
just over it.
And you know, um, like mepersonally, when I'm over
something like I just want outand so like, even if I'm in a
fight or something, sometimesI'm just like you know what,
(06:31):
fuck it, fuck you, fuckeverybody.
I'm out right now, Like I'lldeal with this another time,
Because right now I just don'thave the emotional capacity to
deal with it.
And that's what Rin did.
She was just like fuck both ofyou, I'm going to pack my shit
and I'm out and I'm going to goto my best friend's house and
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we're going to drink and it'sgoing to go to my best friend's
house and we're going to drinkand it's going to be great.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
And she did.
I was like I was in the wholewhile reading.
I had to go back because I waslike, maybe because I like to
read at night.
So I was like, ok, maybe.
So that next day I was like,maybe I skipped, like I skimmed,
because she was too, she wastoo calm, like she packed her
stuff up, she was upset, butlike for the neighbor to still
be in the house while you wasgetting your stuff together,
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that was insane to me.
Okay, so the characters werethey based on anyone or they
just kind of came to you?
How did we develop thesecharacters?
Speaker 2 (07:36):
So I get story ideas and like I call them like fever
dreams.
So I'll just like have like amoment where all of a sudden
this like thought enters my headand I'm just like what if
there's this and this and thishappens and they do this?
And I'm just like, and then itjust like starts like spiraling
in my head and that's kind ofwhat happened.
(07:57):
Um the accident accidentalpregnancy trope, I know like
there's a lot of people don'tlike it and a lot of people do
love it I love it I do too, andso it was just one of those
things and I was just like, um,what if?
like what if this girl gotknocked up on a one-night stand
and he turned out to be somemafia boss?
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And she had no clue about it?
And then I was like, and thenhow funny would it be if they
ran into each other later andlike they had like a weird
situational impact.
And I was like, oh, what ifhe's her boss?
And then it just kind of justkept going from there.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
You literally put like a.
I said this is like a meltingpot of all the good tropes.
We had mafia, we hadbillionaire, we had secret baby.
We had one night stand, firstkind of love.
It was almost kind of love atfirst sight, which is it was.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
There was a lot of insta love there.
There was a definitely um.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
It was a falling fast kind of thing the fact that he
didn't realize who she was, butshe knew from his tattoos and
stuff.
I ate that up let's be clearguys are usually kind of
oblivious to things, so and Ikept saying, like, I kept
waiting for, like the, like the,for it to click, and I kept on
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wait and I was like, okay, youdon't find out now.
Okay, he don't find out now.
Okay, this is the girl fromthat.
Like you didn't recognize hercurves, like again.
Men are typically oblivious tosome things and then I said even
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though Ran, you gave us alittle back story on her towards
the end, when she ended upbeing the law, and I said that I
can't like, well, I'm not going, I can't tell y'all because I
need y'all to go and watch it.
So you know what I'm not goingto say, what I was going to say.
How do you connect, likedisconnect from the characters,
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like once, because you say youget these fever dreams.
So how do you disconnect?
Speaker 2 (10:11):
it's kind of hard.
It's like the characters Bowieand Wren were really alive in my
head for like a really longtime and I still think about to
this day like I've had.
I had a hard time starting inon new projects because their
voices were still so alive in mymind and like writing a new
character, which I know hasdifferent personalities and
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things like that, but like stillI would have like bleeding
thoughts of like what wouldBowie do?
And it's just like, but thisisn't Bowie and so he can't.
This new character isn't goingto be like Bowie.
They're not anywhere near thesame and the same thing like Ren
, like they're not going toreact the same.
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And so it's been really kind ofhard to like step away from it.
Because when you're writingespecially me I kind of fall in
love with the characters, likenot just like from, like a, like
a character, as like their lovestory, but like I fall in love
with them as like I know them,like they seem very real to me,
and so it's really hard to likeshut the door on them completely
, because I can still like feeltheir like emotions and like
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what they would do, and so it's.
I don't have a good answer onhow to shut them off, because I
haven't been able to fully shutthem off.
So does that mean we're gonnahave more?
of them, no, and unfortunatelynot.
Their story is done, but um,it's just really hard to like
forget about a character.
I guess.
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Like it'd be the same way likewhen you're reading a book and
like that character just kind oflives rent-free in your head
later on.
It's just the same way withwriters, except their voices are
just a little bit more deep solike, so they just don't shut up
.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
So do you channel that and, kind of like, change
it up into like a new character,into something else that you're
writing?
Speaker 2 (11:55):
well, again, I just get like a new idea and I start
with that.
But, like all um, when I'mwriting in that voice, I might
think of, I might start to saysomething that, uh, maybe the
male main character that I'mwriting now is he's like more
unhinged.
And I have to remember thatthis character is more unhinged
until I settle into his voicebecause, like some of Bowie's,
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like nicer things want to seepin.
I'm just like, okay, thischaracter is not at that stage
yet, he's still unhinged.
And so while I'm settling intohis voice, I have to ignore how
Bowie was.
But it took me, I was writingthat story for like six months,
and so I with with Bowie andWren for like six months, um,
from when I first got the ideaof their story and to the time
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it was published, and so theywere very much a part of my life
for six months.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
So how was the publishing part?
Like, how was that process?
Because we're an indie author,did you do India, are you Andy
or we're Andy, so, author, didyou do indie, are you indie?
We're indie.
So how was that?
Did you have to go out and getan editor?
Did you have friends to helpedit?
Speaker 2 (13:01):
I have two really amazing friends.
One of them is the grammarpolice and she loves it.
She finds it very therapeuticto read and and like edit and
like do that kind of thing.
And then the other one, um, isreally great at like pointing
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out you know issues or plotholes or thoughts um on like
well, maybe this action would bebetter here, like can you give
me more here?
Like more like the dealt, thedevelopmental kind of thing.
And so I trade chapters withthem and we read each other's
chapters and offer feedback andediting and do that.
And so I did that with the bookand then I had I had somebody
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proofread it as well, and then Iproofread it as well.
Also, of course, I miss thingsthat arc readers found, like
little typos here or there,because you can only stare at
something so long before itlooks.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Everything looks the same, or you're just glancing
over it.
So the people who helped withyour proofread are they authors
too?
Or what did you find?
Are they people?
Speaker 2 (14:08):
you know they are authors.
I met them on Instagram.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
I met them on Instagram.
Listen, I asked that because Ilove how the book community on
Instagram and TikTok you meet somany different amazing people,
and this is the aspects that Ilove about it.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
I was like I wonder where she met these?
Or did she meet them on likeInstagram or TikTok?
Yep, they were actually.
They're authors.
They've been authors longerthan I have and I'm a big fan of
their books, read their booksand I did some beta reading for
one of them and when I was betareading for her, we kind of
started talking a little bitmore about books and things like
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that and so the friendship kindof developed there and she was
already friends with this otherauthor.
She recommended her books.
So I read her books, loved them.
I'm intrusive by nature so Islid into her DMs and told her
how much I loved her books andthen we just started chatting
also and then it just kind ofevolved into a group chat.
What man, so have you taken anywriting classes or anything?
Speaker 1 (15:13):
before writing your, and then it just kind of evolved
into a group chat.
What man so have you taken anywriting classes or anything
before writing your books?
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Or are you just kind of Just high school?
Speaker 1 (15:24):
English.
Wait, so you mean to tell meyou have not taken any writing
classes and you came out withthis masterpiece?
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Yeah, I went to school to be a hairstylist like
I'm licensed in cosmetology.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
shut up I'm an institution.
See, I knew we were.
But they say birds of a featherflock together exactly so we
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Thank you guys for sticking with us and staying
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Now, ms Dharma, book two CousinDewey.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
I don't know Rocco.
Everybody loved Rocco.
Well, for the most part,everybody loved Rocco and his
little tell.
But if anybody's getting astory next, it would be Dallas,
andrea or Bowie's sister Nikki.
But the characters got to talkto me.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
I'd like to write those stories and I've had some
ideas on them, but neither noneof the characters have started
talking to me enough yet to getgoing oh my god, I just knew I
was gonna hear about Rocco andhis wife who, like I, like the
dynamic between him and his wifeand then like the change that
he's doesn't season him, thathe's married god damn it.
(17:36):
Like I was just playing thisout, like I just knew what was
gonna be next.
I do that a lot just be playingpeople books and they'd be like
no, that's just that.
Next, alexis, that is not whatwe doing.
Went well.
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It's hard to choose between thesister and then Dallas, andrea,
who the sister thought wasgoing with Rin.
She was excellent.
Uh, wasn't that sister at thefront desk?
The secretary?
Uh.
Cammie, yes, she thought thatthey were going to.
Dallas's sister yes, okay then.
So now is it have you startedwriting already?
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Do we have like a projected?
Speaker 2 (18:26):
I haven't.
I've got.
I've just got loose ideas ontheir stories of um, some ideas
of what would happen um with itand like some dynamics, but I
haven't oh my god.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Well, I'm glad it didn't land on the cliffhanger
that you didn't leave was.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
I couldn't do that.
I, I don't think I could.
I won't say never because, likeI can't say that, uh, but I
don't think I could ever end abook on a cliffhanger and not
immediately know what was comingnext and start right into it,
because I hate that.
I hate reading a book and notknowing and like ending on a
cliffhanger, which I will holdoff reading a series if so, if
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it's like a trilogy and onlylike one book's out, I won't
read it until all the books areout, so I can just go all the
way through.
Because that happened to meonce.
I was reading a book, went inblind, didn't know that it
continued, and the next bookwasn't out, and I was so
flustered that I was just I waslike absolutely, not, never
again.
So now I like research thebooks, make sure they are all
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out, and I will wait until theyare all out and then I will just
go straight through them allit's like what it like you, the
cliffhanger, and like I alreadyknow they're feeling, oh, it'd
be pissing me off so bad.
I will be sitting and I'm likeclicking my Kindle and it just
like pops up and it's just likeasking me for my rating and I'm
just like, absolute fuck, not, Iwant more pages now.
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And I'm just like, and I justget so frustrated and, like I
said, that happened once.
After happening I was likenever again I will research the
books before I started, becauseI I can't do that.
I don't have the emotionalcapacity for it.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
I'm so glad I'm not the only one in that type of
boat or situation, honey.
So city of wind and lies wasactually not your first work,
correct?
We were on a paper chapter.
Can you tell us about go ahead?
Speaker 2 (20:31):
one of the first books I wrote was alpha's
blessed mate on a paper chapterapp, and it's a paranormal slow
burn, wolf shifters kind ofthing, less smutty, but that's
where I started readingparanormal and so like a
paranormal story was the firstthat came to my head.
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But I also read a lot of things, and so then I developed from
there.
But city of women lives was thefirst book that I released on
kindle unlimited.
Oh, so it was my first mafiabook too, so so you went from
shifter to mafia.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Yep, yep.
Which one did you enjoy writinglike was it easier to write one
than the other one.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Uh, not necessarily, um, because they were.
They're both.
They were both different, but Iread so many different things
also that it was just it's justa story, like I just like
connect with the story and thecharacters and I thought, if I
can read in multiple genres, whycan't I write in multiple
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genres?
Because if the story's talkingto me, I'm going to write the
story.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Is there another app that we can read the alphas?
Speaker 2 (21:59):
Your ships are bookowing one.
It's available on amazon onkindle.
You can buy the ebook on kindledirect.
Oh, you can buy the ebook onkindle?
Speaker 1 (22:05):
mm-hmm, I did not know that.
So I do have to ask, becausewhen I started reading in the
paper chapter things, when Istarted reading about the
shifters and omega verse andstuff about that by wolves and
stuff, they were not talkingabout knotting and all of this
um, other stuff do you have not?
Speaker 2 (22:25):
in your book.
I don't um, so I um from whatI've learned, knotting kind of
came more like the omega verse.
So I um and I could becompletely wrong, but just like
from what I read and what I sawavailable in apps when I was
reading on apps is that like thelike shifters kind of shifters
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was like one thing, but thenthere was more like deeper
levels of shifter and that'swhere like the nodding aspects
and that kind of Omega verse andthe rankings, like a deeper
level.
So there's just like basicshifters and then there's like
it's levels to this.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Did not know that.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Yeah, I stumbled into a book that had nodding and I
read the scene and I was likeand I had to reread it again.
I was like I had a.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
I reread it again I was like okay, what, what book
was it?
Speaker 2 (23:21):
I don't even remember .
It was on one of those apps andI crossed the scene and I was,
and then he gave me full pauseand I was like and then I reread
it again, I was like okay, Iwasn't expecting that, but here
we go, okay it's fine, mine'swhat.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
And I did it.
It may have been a couple ofmonths ago.
It was called made for thealphas and it was like made like
m-a-i-d.
Because she ended up being likea maid for this group of alphas
and she kind of left her umcommunity or her pack because
she had never been able to shiftor she wasn't.
Uh, what did I call him a lunaraluna or um, I can't think of
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the name of it, but she wasn't.
She didn't have any like wolfcapabilities or anything until
she got and started workingaround these.
But she didn't know they wereum alphas or wolves at first
until she started working forthem and stuff.
And then it started fallingforward.
But in the beginning of thebook they had all of these
vocabularies but I had neverheard of that out of all the
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books that I was reading atfirst and stuff I that was my
first interaction with like notin in a rut and like.
It had a whole glossary, and sonow I'm like so now.
So when you said that I was,like I wonder did, did she have
a glossary?
And so now I'm like so now.
So when you said that I waslike I wonder, did she have a
glossary?
Is she?
Speaker 2 (24:41):
did she write like no cuz, my shifter book was pretty
pretty your average shifterkind of world basic rules did
you do any world building?
There's a little bit becauseit's said in obviously not like
the United States or somethinglike that sentence.
It's a world.
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It's not mentioned like a name,but there's like a little bit
of world building and liketerritories and there's a king
and dynamics of how the packsare run and how they in our work
with each other so there gonna.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
Are you gonna do a series of that one, or are we
just a standalone?
Why do I want?
Speaker 2 (25:20):
series.
I just I just write standalonesbut I write there's side
characters in all my standalonesthat could always end up having
their own stories.
People want one of the sidecharacters in that shifter story
.
Um, people have asked for hisuh, the side character story and
(25:43):
if it comes to me, it comes tome.
I'll write it, but I can'tforce it.
I mean I could, but I can'tpromise it'd be a good book if I
try to force it and we wouldn'twant you to force it because we
already know what you'recapable of.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
And you're a bit because when I tell you city of
wind and lies was so freakinggood and I'm a, I'm like like I
and I like to say I'm payingtropes because I love all the
tropes, especially the tropeswho are like the cheating trope
that was on there and I'm likeit wasn't between, like the main
character, so I wasn't reallyworried about trey with the
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cheating and stuff like, andI've read books where it was
with the main character butstill, like I say, he
pan-tropical.
Oh, I know what I wanted to say.
I kind of, I kind of do, but Idon't because it's it gets the
way trey met his demise.
(26:38):
I felt so played because Iwanted him his kneecaps, like
when stuff started coming to theforefront, I wanted, like I
said but don't go judging me, al, because I already told you, I
already said that I was a littleviolent thing when it comes to
the book world like I wanted hiskneecaps and toes, but like it
(27:03):
was quick, I was like what thefuck.
Like when it, I was like whatthe fuck.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
I mean he had, he had , like he had some redeeming
qualities at the end.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
He did.
He did.
Okay, look, now that you saythat I'm still side-eyeing it,
dorma, it's just I don't know.
Look, I need to go pray becauseI can see, see my, I can see my
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family.
Not like something is wrongwith you.
People always think somethingbe wrong with us when we be like
, when we like dark books.
But I read a lot of dark, a lotof dark books.
So what's the darkest bookyou've?
Speaker 2 (27:53):
read um.
I can't remember the exact nameof it, but the author's name is
AA Dark.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
Oh, my God, you don't have to say anything else.
Was it the Mad Girl?
Speaker 2 (28:05):
series.
No, it was one of the Garden ofGods novellas.
It was one of the shorter booksand did not have a happy uh
ever after, and so, um, that wasprobably one of the darkest
books I've read in regard inregards to like not having like
(28:27):
a happy ever after.
Um, but other than that I've.
I just I read like I haven'tfound anything to be a trigger
yet.
Maybe, so, I just keep goingand I'm not trying to find a
trigger, but nothing has stoppedme.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
I always say I feel like I've been desensitized,
because like stuff that I knowshould probably be like girl.
What's her?
Oh my God.
I just recently read and I wasjust like girl.
There's like not really happyending and it's like so cringe,
but I can't put it down.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Yeah, I just read not too long ago I read Pet Motel
by Kitty King and MA Cobb andit's also not a.
It does not have, it's anovella, doesn't have a happy
ever after and there was like amoment in there when I was like
and it's dark, it's dark, it'sgreat.
(29:29):
Quick read, loved it.
I actually like creepy smilelike for it because like there
was like a part that made melaugh and like I felt unhinged
for laughing in the middle ofthis like super creepy book.
But was it a paranormal?
Nope, it is an erotic horrorthriller.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
Was this a book?
Is it?
Has it been a circulate?
Why do I still feel like I'veseen this circulating on TikTok?
Speaker 2 (30:01):
It released maybe a week ago, two weeks ago, okay,
but it's a short little read,great read.
It's on Kindle Unlimited.
Did you post about it?
I posted my stories when I readit, maybe that's where I've
seen it.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
I've seen it like recently, but now that you say
that I'm going to have to goedit on my Everlasting TBR I
know a TBR hate to see mecomment.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
Don't they all?
Speaker 1 (30:33):
Well, I thank you so much for joining us today.
Can you let us know?
Speaker 2 (30:38):
where we can follow you at.
Well, I thank you so much forjoining us today.
Can you let us know where wecan follow you at?
You can follow me on Instagramat Dharma underscore day, and
from there you can find links tomy Facebook that I'm not very
active on.
You can follow me on Amazon myauthor account there.
You can also follow me onGoodreads and see what I read as
well, and you can also followme on goodreads and see what I
read as well and I.
(31:00):
You can also follow me ontiktok, but, again, I'm not very
active there.
I haven't figured it out, so Ijust stick to the.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
I just stick to instagram tiktok is like a
learning curve and that's why Istick to tiktok and sometimes I
feel be forgetting.
I have like a book, abookstagram or instagram and I'm
like, oh, shoot to go checkthat and then.
But I'm more active on tiktok.
So, but my, I actually foundyou from a book bestie that I
(31:27):
met on tiktok um toyah isreading smut.
Yep, she was like, oh, my god,you gotta go and read this book.
I know you love mafia, I knowyou love billionaire and I know
you love all the tropes andstuff.
She was like she literally putall of them into one.
You gotta go read this.
And I went and scooped it upand fell in love with it so
(31:47):
thank you, toya I appreciatetoys.
She have all good rings, I'mgood.
So again, thank you and untilnext time, you guys.
Episode.
Hey y'all.
Hey, you are watching andlistening to Licks Between the
Lines and I am your host, lex.
Of course I'm Lex.
So let's go ahead and get intothese trigger warnings, because
I'm so excited about the guest,the host that we have today,
because I love Mafia.
It's one of my faves.
Really all of them are my faves, but anyway, let's get into
(00:21):
this.
So, for the most part, I try tostay between the lines.
I only cross them sometimes.
So, with that being said, therewill be adult content discussed
, there will be adult languagetalked, and this is your trigger
warning.
Without further ado, I'm goingto let my co-host introduce
herself hi, I am darma jay um.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Most of you, or if any of you would know me, it's
from City of Wind and Lies amafia meets office romance with
a very pierced male MMC thatisn't afraid to show his female
lead how much he loves her inmany, many places.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Was that a Jacob's Ladder?
Yeah, how many wrong.
That's so nasty I'm, so my mystay in the gutter.
How many Ten?
Speaker 2 (01:22):
My Google search history is wild man, I was just
about to say where, where didthis come from?
I mean, why not?
Speaker 1 (01:32):
and dorm.
I'm so nosy.
Have you ever experienced ajacob's?
Speaker 2 (01:37):
ladder, not a jacob's ladder, just just a single,
just a single little one-off,one-off barbell I'm just trying
to picture like, because I don'tthink you.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
You gave us like when he went and got this done nope,
he's had it like was he goingthrough a phase when he got this
?
Speaker 2 (02:05):
I mean probably.
I mean like piercings are liketattoos, I mean you don't always
have to have a reason for it,you just like feel the feel, the
urge I'm so like I said I'm so.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Did he like?
Because my, I know and I knowthese are characters, but I get
so like in their backstories.
I'll be.
Like I said I'm so nosy, I'd bewanting to know, like, are we
gonna'm so nosy?
I be wanting to know, like, arewe gonna get an ex?
Cause I wanna know like, wasthis done at one time?
Cause, oh yeah, all at once,and I'm just gonna say it, I'm
(02:39):
um, I haven't really.
I really hope my wife don't be,I hope my wife don't be, I hope
my wife don't watch these.
Are my family, are my mama witha nosy ass?
Cause the question I wanna whatI wanna say Like I'm trying to
think of, like how I can say itwhen, if they do watch it?
(02:59):
Cause, so I have a wife, butnot saying that I haven't been
with guys, but I haven't beenwith like a lot and like, is it
like?
I'm just trying to see, likeit's not, you know, is it on the
bottom of the bottom or the?
Speaker 2 (03:16):
top.
Traditional bowies and mosttraditional jacob's ladders are
on the underside and they startup um about the base where it
connects and run up towards thetip.
And then there's otherpiercings that go through the
tip and then they can be on thefront as well, and there's a
difference some people havebarbells and some people have
(03:38):
hoops um along the shaft as well.
And again uh, my google searchhistory is wild there's an
entire reddit thread dedicatedto piercings of that nature.
What are you married, norma?
Speaker 1 (03:55):
I am I don't know what, because I'm just thinking
some of the things in the book.
I was like what?
What?
Wait a minute, are you blushing?
Are you blushing?
What is somebody like?
Did it just come off the top ofyour head, or I'm?
Speaker 2 (04:17):
kind of both, because it's like, I mean, like some of
the scenes, like when you'reyou're writing a character and
you're like in the moment andyou know like there's like
tension and like steam building,it's just like, well, why not
here?
Or like in your mind you'relike, well, if it was here, like
what could happen or what wouldhappen or what would be like a
fantasy to have happen, kind ofthing, and then it just kind of
(04:39):
comes out so this was all fromyour mind, like this wasn't no
experience, or?
Speaker 1 (04:47):
most of it I'm trying to remember, like all of them,
like I don't remember, likelet's talk about the first
meetup and I know I'm jumping onin, but first of all I just
wanted to say and I'm so used towhen I read things I'm a very
(05:09):
violent little thing when itcomes to the book world not me
in real life, even though therehave been situations.
But we're not talking aboutthat.
We're talking about when shewalked in and the neighbor uh
(05:30):
yeah, dorma, I wanted her toknock everything off the fucking
counter in the shelves, likewhat were?
Like what was your mindset whenyou wrote that part?
Did you want her to be likethis?
Like how, how, what was?
Like, like I said, I wanted herto shake something.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
She rin was obviously upset, but like she was like
tired of.
She was like tired of caringabout not caring, Because her
and Trey's relationship had notbeen great for a long time and
she just felt like over it.
(06:10):
And like so she was.
She was hurt by it, but she wasalso just just over it.
Like so she was, she was hurtby it, but she was also just
just over it.
And you know, um, like mepersonally, when I'm over
something like I just want outand so like, even if I'm in a
fight or something, sometimesI'm just like you know what,
(06:31):
fuck it, fuck you, fuckeverybody.
I'm out right now, Like I'lldeal with this another time,
Because right now I just don'thave the emotional capacity to
deal with it.
And that's what Rin did.
She was just like fuck both ofyou, I'm going to pack my shit
and I'm out and I'm going to goto my best friend's house and
(06:51):
we're going to drink and it'sgoing to go to my best friend's
house and we're going to drinkand it's going to be great.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
And she did.
I was like I was in the wholewhile reading.
I had to go back because I waslike, maybe because I like to
read at night.
So I was like, ok, maybe.
So that next day I was like,maybe I skipped, like I skimmed,
because she was too, she wastoo calm, like she packed her
stuff up, she was upset, butlike for the neighbor to still
be in the house while you wasgetting your stuff together,
(07:22):
that was insane to me.
Okay, so the characters werethey based on anyone or they
just kind of came to you?
How did we develop thesecharacters?
Speaker 2 (07:36):
So I get story ideas and like I call them like fever
dreams.
So I'll just like have like amoment where all of a sudden
this like thought enters my headand I'm just like what if
there's this and this and thishappens and they do this?
And I'm just like, and then itjust like starts like spiraling
in my head and that's kind ofwhat happened.
(07:57):
Um the accident accidentalpregnancy trope, I know like
there's a lot of people don'tlike it and a lot of people do
love it I love it I do too, andso it was just one of those
things and I was just like, um,what if?
like what if this girl gotknocked up on a one-night stand
and he turned out to be somemafia boss?
(08:18):
And she had no clue about it?
And then I was like, and thenhow funny would it be if they
ran into each other later andlike they had like a weird
situational impact.
And I was like, oh, what ifhe's her boss?
And then it just kind of justkept going from there.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
You literally put like a.
I said this is like a meltingpot of all the good tropes.
We had mafia, we hadbillionaire, we had secret baby.
We had one night stand, firstkind of love.
It was almost kind of love atfirst sight, which is it was.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
There was a lot of insta love there.
There was a definitely um.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
It was a falling fast kind of thing the fact that he
didn't realize who she was, butshe knew from his tattoos and
stuff.
I ate that up let's be clearguys are usually kind of
oblivious to things, so and Ikept saying, like, I kept
waiting for, like the, like the,for it to click, and I kept on
(09:18):
wait and I was like, okay, youdon't find out now.
Okay, he don't find out now.
Okay, this is the girl fromthat.
Like you didn't recognize hercurves, like again.
Men are typically oblivious tosome things and then I said even
(09:43):
though Ran, you gave us alittle back story on her towards
the end, when she ended upbeing the law, and I said that I
can't like, well, I'm not going, I can't tell y'all because I
need y'all to go and watch it.
So you know what I'm not goingto say, what I was going to say.
How do you connect, likedisconnect from the characters,
(10:06):
like once, because you say youget these fever dreams.
So how do you disconnect?
Speaker 2 (10:11):
it's kind of hard.
It's like the characters Bowieand Wren were really alive in my
head for like a really longtime and I still think about to
this day like I've had.
I had a hard time starting inon new projects because their
voices were still so alive in mymind and like writing a new
character, which I know hasdifferent personalities and
(10:34):
things like that, but like stillI would have like bleeding
thoughts of like what wouldBowie do?
And it's just like, but thisisn't Bowie and so he can't.
This new character isn't goingto be like Bowie.
They're not anywhere near thesame and the same thing like Ren
, like they're not going toreact the same.
(10:55):
And so it's been really kind ofhard to like step away from it.
Because when you're writingespecially me I kind of fall in
love with the characters, likenot just like from, like a, like
a character, as like their lovestory, but like I fall in love
with them as like I know them,like they seem very real to me,
and so it's really hard to likeshut the door on them completely
, because I can still like feeltheir like emotions and like
(11:15):
what they would do, and so it's.
I don't have a good answer onhow to shut them off, because I
haven't been able to fully shutthem off.
So does that mean we're gonnahave more?
of them, no, and unfortunatelynot.
Their story is done, but um,it's just really hard to like
forget about a character.
I guess.
(11:35):
Like it'd be the same way likewhen you're reading a book and
like that character just kind oflives rent-free in your head
later on.
It's just the same way withwriters, except their voices are
just a little bit more deep solike, so they just don't shut up
.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
So do you channel that and, kind of like, change
it up into like a new character,into something else that you're
writing?
Speaker 2 (11:55):
well, again, I just get like a new idea and I start
with that.
But, like all um, when I'mwriting in that voice, I might
think of, I might start to saysomething that, uh, maybe the
male main character that I'mwriting now is he's like more
unhinged.
And I have to remember thatthis character is more unhinged
until I settle into his voicebecause, like some of Bowie's,
(12:15):
like nicer things want to seepin.
I'm just like, okay, thischaracter is not at that stage
yet, he's still unhinged.
And so while I'm settling intohis voice, I have to ignore how
Bowie was.
But it took me, I was writingthat story for like six months,
and so I with with Bowie andWren for like six months, um,
from when I first got the ideaof their story and to the time
(12:39):
it was published, and so theywere very much a part of my life
for six months.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
So how was the publishing part?
Like, how was that process?
Because we're an indie author,did you do India, are you Andy
or we're Andy, so, author, didyou do indie, are you indie?
We're indie.
So how was that?
Did you have to go out and getan editor?
Did you have friends to helpedit?
Speaker 2 (13:01):
I have two really amazing friends.
One of them is the grammarpolice and she loves it.
She finds it very therapeuticto read and and like edit and
like do that kind of thing.
And then the other one, um, isreally great at like pointing
(13:22):
out you know issues or plotholes or thoughts um on like
well, maybe this action would bebetter here, like can you give
me more here?
Like more like the dealt, thedevelopmental kind of thing.
And so I trade chapters withthem and we read each other's
chapters and offer feedback andediting and do that.
And so I did that with the bookand then I had I had somebody
(13:45):
proofread it as well, and then Iproofread it as well.
Also, of course, I miss thingsthat arc readers found, like
little typos here or there,because you can only stare at
something so long before itlooks.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Everything looks the same, or you're just glancing
over it.
So the people who helped withyour proofread are they authors
too?
Or what did you find?
Are they people?
Speaker 2 (14:08):
you know they are authors.
I met them on Instagram.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
I met them on Instagram.
Listen, I asked that because Ilove how the book community on
Instagram and TikTok you meet somany different amazing people,
and this is the aspects that Ilove about it.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
I was like I wonder where she met these?
Or did she meet them on likeInstagram or TikTok?
Yep, they were actually.
They're authors.
They've been authors longerthan I have and I'm a big fan of
their books, read their booksand I did some beta reading for
one of them and when I was betareading for her, we kind of
started talking a little bitmore about books and things like
(14:52):
that and so the friendship kindof developed there and she was
already friends with this otherauthor.
She recommended her books.
So I read her books, loved them.
I'm intrusive by nature so Islid into her DMs and told her
how much I loved her books andthen we just started chatting
also and then it just kind ofevolved into a group chat.
What man, so have you taken anywriting classes or anything?
Speaker 1 (15:13):
before writing your, and then it just kind of evolved
into a group chat.
What man so have you taken anywriting classes or anything
before writing your books?
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Or are you just kind of Just high school?
Speaker 1 (15:24):
English.
Wait, so you mean to tell meyou have not taken any writing
classes and you came out withthis masterpiece?
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Yeah, I went to school to be a hairstylist like
I'm licensed in cosmetology.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
shut up I'm an institution.
See, I knew we were.
But they say birds of a featherflock together exactly so we
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Thank you guys for sticking with us and staying
tuned.
Now, ms Dharma, book two CousinDewey.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
I don't know Rocco.
Everybody loved Rocco.
Well, for the most part,everybody loved Rocco and his
little tell.
But if anybody's getting astory next, it would be Dallas,
andrea or Bowie's sister Nikki.
But the characters got to talkto me.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
I'd like to write those stories and I've had some
ideas on them, but neither noneof the characters have started
talking to me enough yet to getgoing oh my god, I just knew I
was gonna hear about Rocco andhis wife who, like I, like the
dynamic between him and his wifeand then like the change that
he's doesn't season him, thathe's married god damn it.
(17:36):
Like I was just playing thisout, like I just knew what was
gonna be next.
I do that a lot just be playingpeople books and they'd be like
no, that's just that.
Next, alexis, that is not whatwe doing.
Went well.
(18:03):
It's hard to choose between thesister and then Dallas, andrea,
who the sister thought wasgoing with Rin.
She was excellent.
Uh, wasn't that sister at thefront desk?
The secretary?
Uh.
Cammie, yes, she thought thatthey were going to.
Dallas's sister yes, okay then.
So now is it have you startedwriting already?
(18:24):
Do we have like a projected?
Speaker 2 (18:26):
I haven't.
I've got.
I've just got loose ideas ontheir stories of um, some ideas
of what would happen um with itand like some dynamics, but I
haven't oh my god.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Well, I'm glad it didn't land on the cliffhanger
that you didn't leave was.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
I couldn't do that.
I, I don't think I could.
I won't say never because, likeI can't say that, uh, but I
don't think I could ever end abook on a cliffhanger and not
immediately know what was comingnext and start right into it,
because I hate that.
I hate reading a book and notknowing and like ending on a
cliffhanger, which I will holdoff reading a series if so, if
(19:08):
it's like a trilogy and onlylike one book's out, I won't
read it until all the books areout, so I can just go all the
way through.
Because that happened to meonce.
I was reading a book, went inblind, didn't know that it
continued, and the next bookwasn't out, and I was so
flustered that I was just I waslike absolutely, not, never
again.
So now I like research thebooks, make sure they are all
(19:30):
out, and I will wait until theyare all out and then I will just
go straight through them allit's like what it like you, the
cliffhanger, and like I alreadyknow they're feeling, oh, it'd
be pissing me off so bad.
I will be sitting and I'm likeclicking my Kindle and it just
like pops up and it's just likeasking me for my rating and I'm
just like, absolute fuck, not, Iwant more pages now.
(19:54):
And I'm just like, and I justget so frustrated and, like I
said, that happened once.
After happening I was likenever again I will research the
books before I started, becauseI I can't do that.
I don't have the emotionalcapacity for it.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
I'm so glad I'm not the only one in that type of
boat or situation, honey.
So city of wind and lies wasactually not your first work,
correct?
We were on a paper chapter.
Can you tell us about go ahead?
Speaker 2 (20:31):
one of the first books I wrote was alpha's
blessed mate on a paper chapterapp, and it's a paranormal slow
burn, wolf shifters kind ofthing, less smutty, but that's
where I started readingparanormal and so like a
paranormal story was the firstthat came to my head.
(20:53):
But I also read a lot of things, and so then I developed from
there.
But city of women lives was thefirst book that I released on
kindle unlimited.
Oh, so it was my first mafiabook too, so so you went from
shifter to mafia.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Yep, yep.
Which one did you enjoy writinglike was it easier to write one
than the other one.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Uh, not necessarily, um, because they were.
They're both.
They were both different, but Iread so many different things
also that it was just it's justa story, like I just like
connect with the story and thecharacters and I thought, if I
can read in multiple genres, whycan't I write in multiple
(21:44):
genres?
Because if the story's talkingto me, I'm going to write the
story.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Is there another app that we can read the alphas?
Speaker 2 (21:59):
Your ships are bookowing one.
It's available on amazon onkindle.
You can buy the ebook on kindledirect.
Oh, you can buy the ebook onkindle?
Speaker 1 (22:05):
mm-hmm, I did not know that.
So I do have to ask, becausewhen I started reading in the
paper chapter things, when Istarted reading about the
shifters and omega verse andstuff about that by wolves and
stuff, they were not talkingabout knotting and all of this
um, other stuff do you have not?
Speaker 2 (22:25):
in your book.
I don't um, so I um from whatI've learned, knotting kind of
came more like the omega verse.
So I um and I could becompletely wrong, but just like
from what I read and what I sawavailable in apps when I was
reading on apps is that like thelike shifters kind of shifters
(22:45):
was like one thing, but thenthere was more like deeper
levels of shifter and that'swhere like the nodding aspects
and that kind of Omega verse andthe rankings, like a deeper
level.
So there's just like basicshifters and then there's like
it's levels to this.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Did not know that.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Yeah, I stumbled into a book that had nodding and I
read the scene and I was likeand I had to reread it again.
I was like I had a.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
I reread it again I was like okay, what, what book
was it?
Speaker 2 (23:21):
I don't even remember .
It was on one of those apps andI crossed the scene and I was,
and then he gave me full pauseand I was like and then I reread
it again, I was like okay, Iwasn't expecting that, but here
we go, okay it's fine, mine'swhat.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
And I did it.
It may have been a couple ofmonths ago.
It was called made for thealphas and it was like made like
m-a-i-d.
Because she ended up being likea maid for this group of alphas
and she kind of left her umcommunity or her pack because
she had never been able to shiftor she wasn't.
Uh, what did I call him a lunaraluna or um, I can't think of
(24:03):
the name of it, but she wasn't.
She didn't have any like wolfcapabilities or anything until
she got and started workingaround these.
But she didn't know they wereum alphas or wolves at first
until she started working forthem and stuff.
And then it started fallingforward.
But in the beginning of thebook they had all of these
vocabularies but I had neverheard of that out of all the
(24:23):
books that I was reading atfirst and stuff I that was my
first interaction with like notin in a rut and like.
It had a whole glossary, and sonow I'm like so now.
So when you said that I was,like I wonder did, did she have
a glossary?
And so now I'm like so now.
So when you said that I waslike I wonder, did she have a
glossary?
Is she?
Speaker 2 (24:41):
did she write like no cuz, my shifter book was pretty
pretty your average shifterkind of world basic rules did
you do any world building?
There's a little bit becauseit's said in obviously not like
the United States or somethinglike that sentence.
It's a world.
(25:03):
It's not mentioned like a name,but there's like a little bit
of world building and liketerritories and there's a king
and dynamics of how the packsare run and how they in our work
with each other so there gonna.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
Are you gonna do a series of that one, or are we
just a standalone?
Why do I want?
Speaker 2 (25:20):
series.
I just I just write standalonesbut I write there's side
characters in all my standalonesthat could always end up having
their own stories.
People want one of the sidecharacters in that shifter story
.
Um, people have asked for hisuh, the side character story and
(25:43):
if it comes to me, it comes tome.
I'll write it, but I can'tforce it.
I mean I could, but I can'tpromise it'd be a good book if I
try to force it and we wouldn'twant you to force it because we
already know what you'recapable of.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
And you're a bit because when I tell you city of
wind and lies was so freakinggood and I'm a, I'm like like I
and I like to say I'm payingtropes because I love all the
tropes, especially the tropeswho are like the cheating trope
that was on there and I'm likeit wasn't between, like the main
character, so I wasn't reallyworried about trey with the
(26:16):
cheating and stuff like, andI've read books where it was
with the main character butstill, like I say, he
pan-tropical.
Oh, I know what I wanted to say.
I kind of, I kind of do, but Idon't because it's it gets the
way trey met his demise.
(26:38):
I felt so played because Iwanted him his kneecaps, like
when stuff started coming to theforefront, I wanted, like I
said but don't go judging me, al, because I already told you, I
already said that I was a littleviolent thing when it comes to
the book world like I wanted hiskneecaps and toes, but like it
(27:03):
was quick, I was like what thefuck.
Like when it, I was like whatthe fuck.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
I mean he had, he had , like he had some redeeming
qualities at the end.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
He did.
He did.
Okay, look, now that you saythat I'm still side-eyeing it,
dorma, it's just I don't know.
Look, I need to go pray becauseI can see, see my, I can see my
(27:39):
family.
Not like something is wrongwith you.
People always think somethingbe wrong with us when we be like
, when we like dark books.
But I read a lot of dark, a lotof dark books.
So what's the darkest bookyou've?
Speaker 2 (27:53):
read um.
I can't remember the exact nameof it, but the author's name is
AA Dark.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
Oh, my God, you don't have to say anything else.
Was it the Mad Girl?
Speaker 2 (28:05):
series.
No, it was one of the Garden ofGods novellas.
It was one of the shorter booksand did not have a happy uh
ever after, and so, um, that wasprobably one of the darkest
books I've read in regard inregards to like not having like
(28:27):
a happy ever after.
Um, but other than that I've.
I just I read like I haven'tfound anything to be a trigger
yet.
Maybe, so, I just keep goingand I'm not trying to find a
trigger, but nothing has stoppedme.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
I always say I feel like I've been desensitized,
because like stuff that I knowshould probably be like girl.
What's her?
Oh my God.
I just recently read and I wasjust like girl.
There's like not really happyending and it's like so cringe,
but I can't put it down.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Yeah, I just read not too long ago I read Pet Motel
by Kitty King and MA Cobb andit's also not a.
It does not have, it's anovella, doesn't have a happy
ever after and there was like amoment in there when I was like
and it's dark, it's dark, it'sgreat.
(29:29):
Quick read, loved it.
I actually like creepy smilelike for it because like there
was like a part that made melaugh and like I felt unhinged
for laughing in the middle ofthis like super creepy book.
But was it a paranormal?
Nope, it is an erotic horrorthriller.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
Was this a book?
Is it?
Has it been a circulate?
Why do I still feel like I'veseen this circulating on TikTok?
Speaker 2 (30:01):
It released maybe a week ago, two weeks ago, okay,
but it's a short little read,great read.
It's on Kindle Unlimited.
Did you post about it?
I posted my stories when I readit, maybe that's where I've
seen it.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
I've seen it like recently, but now that you say
that I'm going to have to goedit on my Everlasting TBR I
know a TBR hate to see mecomment.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
Don't they all?
Speaker 1 (30:33):
Well, I thank you so much for joining us today.
Can you let us know?
Speaker 2 (30:38):
where we can follow you at.
Well, I thank you so much forjoining us today.
Can you let us know where wecan follow you at?
You can follow me on Instagramat Dharma underscore day, and
from there you can find links tomy Facebook that I'm not very
active on.
You can follow me on Amazon myauthor account there.
You can also follow me onGoodreads and see what I read as
well, and you can also followme on goodreads and see what I
read as well and I.
(31:00):
You can also follow me ontiktok, but, again, I'm not very
active there.
I haven't figured it out, so Ijust stick to the.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
I just stick to instagram tiktok is like a
learning curve and that's why Istick to tiktok and sometimes I
feel be forgetting.
I have like a book, abookstagram or instagram and I'm
like, oh, shoot to go checkthat and then.
But I'm more active on tiktok.
So, but my, I actually foundyou from a book bestie that I
(31:27):
met on tiktok um toyah isreading smut.
Yep, she was like, oh, my god,you gotta go and read this book.
I know you love mafia, I knowyou love billionaire and I know
you love all the tropes andstuff.
She was like she literally putall of them into one.
You gotta go read this.
And I went and scooped it upand fell in love with it so
(31:47):
thank you, toya I appreciatetoys.
She have all good rings, I'mgood.
So again, thank you and untilnext time, you guys.
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