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January 21, 2025 89 mins

The episode illuminates the challenges and triumphs of writing diverse characters in romance fiction. With insights from authors SK Presley and Ashley, the discussion touches on representation, emotional journeys of characters, and how personal experiences shape narratives.

• Exploration of the inspiration behind creating Frank and Lola as relatable characters
• Importance of diverse representation in literature 
• Insights into the emotional realities of authors facing reader feedback 
• The art of crafting cliffhangers that leave an impact 
• Future plans for character development in upcoming books

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Speaker 1 (00:20):
Hey y'all.
Hey, you are watching andlistening to Licks Between the
Lines and of course I am Licks.
Let's get into these triggerwarnings.
First thing I'm going to say isI try to stay in between the
lines.
Sometimes just sometimes Ioccasionally crawl.
Still, my mouth is foul.
So there will be explicitlanguage, there will be talk of

(00:44):
sexual content, Because we likethe spice and we like the smut,
so take that as you will.
And if you are still with usand you are into it, then we're
going to go ahead and get to ourco-hosts.
I'm so excited I am going tolet them introduce themselves.

(01:07):
So we're gonna start with.

Speaker 2 (01:10):
Hi guys, my name is SK Presley.
I am one of these beautifulthree co-hosts here and I've got
three books out.
I'm gonna start with the mostrecent and work my way backwards
, because we are here for LolaUnmasked, part One.
She's purple, she's beautiful.
She part one she's purple,she's beautiful, she's thick,
she's giving.
She's got flowers, she's giving,she's giving.

(01:30):
So it's Lola Unmasked.
And then we have the Pain weNurture.
I know it's a little shine.
I'm sorry, but the Pain weNurture is about a beautiful
redhead who enters into asmectual contract with her
billionaire.
What would you call him, ashley?
A benefactor?

Speaker 3 (01:52):
um, yeah, here's the pain I love a beer.

Speaker 1 (01:58):
It's always a billionaire romance.
It's a billionaire romance yes,and it's a.

Speaker 2 (02:02):
It's a.
50 of Grey meets Good Girls.
You know Good Girls with Rioand Elizabeth.

Speaker 1 (02:07):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
Yes, I based Rio and Elizabeth.
Oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:12):
He gives very get in the car.
Elizabeth energy yes get in thecar, elizabeth, yes, yeah, he
gives us very much that energy.

Speaker 1 (02:19):
Definitely bumping it up.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
Yes, yes, yes and um, but we're here for this
beautiful, this beautiful girlhere, lola unmasked, and so I
only have the three pieces ofwork.
But Lola unmasked is just oneof three.
So over the course of probablyaround nine or ten months, I'm
going to be releasing the othertwo and then, um, I have more

(02:44):
books coming out.
I have at least three morebooks written by, completely
written, ready to go.

Speaker 1 (02:48):
So I'm just excited right now because not only is
there one more book coming, butthere's two more books coming,
yes yes, yes, and I have to tellyou why, though I have to tell
you why I'm gonna let.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
I want to.
I want ashley to introduceherself real quick, because
she's a beautiful.
Okay, y'all, because LolaUnmasked 1 was actually just
Lola Unmasked, there wasn'tthree parts to it.
And then I started talking withone of my beautiful beta
readers.
I call her Mama T.
She's like a second mama to me.
I met her here on TikTok andwe've just gotten so close, and

(03:26):
she was like I love Frank.
Frank is a character in here.
He's an older guy, about 70, 71years old, wonderful neighbor.
Everybody needs a Frank.
She was so enraptured by Frank,and other people started
talking about Frank and how muchthey love the story, and I'm
like, okay.
So it was just so muchcondescension to the first book
that I was like, okay, let megive you a book too.

(03:46):
And then book two, it justwasn't, like their story wasn't
done and people wanted moreFrank.
So I was like, okay, I'm goingto give you more Frank.
So Frank the elderly neighborgets a whole love triangle in
the third book, frank gets you,get more of Frank.

Speaker 1 (04:04):
Not old man Frank.

Speaker 3 (04:06):
Old man Frank.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
You're gonna get more of Frank.
Yes, you do, because when I gotinto writing, I said I wanted
representation for all, and Ireally meant that.
I want to represent people ofall colors, people of all
ethnicities and cultures andeven ages.
Like you have people who areinities and cultures and even
ages.
Like you have people who are intheir like 70s and 80s and 90s,

(04:32):
who love reading smut books,but they can't see themselves
represented in these booksbecause everybody writes
characters that are like 18, 19,maybe up to 24, 25, 26.
You don't really see women,especially women.
You don't really see women whoare in their 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s
depicted in these books.
And so I was like I'm gonna domy little bit.

(04:52):
I know I'm just a small fish inthis little itty bitty pond,
right, we?
Not a small fish?
What Big fish?
I'm a big fish.
I'm a big fish, okay, in thispond, but I'm gonna do my
damnedest to make sure that,whenever anybody reads my books,
that they can say you know what, grandma, I have a book I think

(05:12):
you might love, or to theirniece, or to their whoever,
their coworker, whoever.
I really want people to be ableto see like themselves in any
book that they pick up, likethere's got to be a piece of
work that I put out where peoplecan read and they can go oh man
, like I see myself in them,like that was really important

(05:33):
to me.

Speaker 1 (05:33):
So that's gonna bring me to one of my questions.
I'm gonna let ashley introduceherself and that's gonna bring
me into my first question that Iwant to ask.
Okay, hi, you are I'm ashley.

Speaker 3 (05:43):
Okay, hi, I'm Ashley and I'm just very happy to be on
this lovely panel, if I cancall it that.
I am Ms SK Presley's beta andarc manager.
I am also one of her friendslike literally we talk every day
, all day long, just all daylong, and I am also what I like

(06:08):
to call a baby author, becauseI'm starting to write and that's
because this person right heregot sick of me giving her all my
suggestions and said hey, whydon't you write on?

Speaker 1 (06:20):
your stove.

Speaker 3 (06:21):
I mean she was more gentle about it, it, but pretty
much that's what she told me.
So I am embarking on my firstuh first book and, even though I
am not complete, I have likeanother one coming off because,
talking to uh sk, who is mywriting mentor, we actually

(06:45):
figured out the end of the bookand because she is a cliffhanger
queen, it's a cliffhanger, it'sa doozy.

Speaker 2 (06:54):
It's a doozy.
It is a doozy.

Speaker 3 (06:57):
I think I've only told one other person and they
were like dude, I'm ready foryou to write that book now you
haven't even finished writingthe book.
I think that is going to be adoozy.

Speaker 1 (07:06):
Actually, I just want you to know that I done already
penciled you in so that I cango ahead.

Speaker 2 (07:13):
Okay, this is where I need to step in and say ma'am,
you have a goal for getting thatbook done by your birthday.
So, lexi, pencil her in for thefall of next year, because she
will be done.

Speaker 3 (07:26):
I will be done and I am getting it done and I try to
every what.
I love her because she keeps me.
She even gave me a book cover,so she was like here, here's a
book cover, and we happened tofind the perfect cover for my
book.

Speaker 1 (07:42):
How did y'all find each other?
Did y'all find each other onTikTok?

Speaker 3 (07:46):
Okay.
So yeah, yeah, we found eachother on tiktok, the first book.
She uh, the first book, sheshowed.
Well, it's a second book, thisone, the pain, uh, the pain we
nurture.
She was looking for betterreaders.
I was new to the whole booktalk like I had done a few
videos.
I had mostly played around withit, but I had just gotten to

(08:10):
the point.
You know I would lip sync, lipsync a lot where you know I find
sounds and I would do it andmaybe add a book to it.
But then I got to the pointthat I started saying, um, what
I like, or giving a little moredetails into books, because I
realized we all, especially onbooktops, if you have a library,
a TBR, you have these long TBRsand you don't get to them

(08:34):
because when you read the backof the book it's details.
But sometimes you need just alittle bit more to make you want
to pick that book up.
And so I had done that withmultiple books, where I'm like,
why wait, it's so long to startreading this book and I said, if
I need that, maybe other peopleneed that.
So I started doing that and Ihappened to see a video where an

(08:57):
author was saying hey, I need,I need art readers and
everything like that.
And I was like, well, what isthe art reader?
I don't really know what artreader is, but I was like I'll
read your book, no problem.
So I ended up like Jesse,sliding in your DM.
It was like I'll read, I'llread yeah, she was like okay.

(09:19):
And so she was like here you go,send me off all the stuff, the
uh epub, and was like I'm stillwriting, like I thought the book
was already out she was stillwriting the book when she sent
it to you she's like I'm stillwriting it and so she's like
things might change and Istarted reading, and from

(09:39):
chapter one.
She's the reason why now I haveto make sure my chapter one
catches you, because you knowI'm a mood reader, so if chapter
one doesn't catch me I'm like,oh, we'll put this down for
later.
So chapter one caught me and Iwas like I need to know more
about Colin and Olivia.
And then I was reading, I wasreading, I was reading and what

(10:00):
most people don't know is, withthe pain we nurture and the pain
we allow, when she startedwriting it, the first part of
the pain we nurture had adifferent ending.
It was much longer.
So I had read things and itleft off at a certain point and

(10:22):
I was happy because I was like I, I can't, you can't end the
book.
I told her, I think I told herI'm so glad you didn't end the
book at this particular pointand she said, yeah, she's, I
don't think I could have donethat.
And then she had to come backand change it and then end up
ending it at the point that Iwas like, oh, they're gonna kill
you, yeah so it's a duo, is it?

Speaker 2 (10:45):
it's a duo yeah because it was a publishing
thing, amazon would not let mepublish it at that, at that size
, and it was the only other spotlike within that towards the

(11:06):
end of the book.

Speaker 1 (11:08):
But I was like uh, yeah, no wait when you say
Amazon wouldn't let you publishit because of the size, what do
you?

Speaker 2 (11:14):
mean.
So there's like size andformatting, like so you have to
have a specific page number forlike your size book and the
formatting and everything, andyou can't go above that.
You can't go above it.
And they had, like justrecently changed for my size
book, um, how many pages youcould have, and it just it
wasn't working.
Like I couldn't change the sizeand I I so I had to leave it

(11:37):
the way it was and then justtake like I think it was the
last four chapters.
I had to move it into thesecond book, yeah, but it ended
up working out.
But I was really upset over itBecause I I am so particular
about how I want my books toread, about how I want like
sentence structure and sentenceplacement and everything.

(12:01):
I'm very, very particular.
So I really structured my bookjust around like like for about
three or four main scenes andthat last scene that I had to
like take out and put into thesecond book.
I feel like messed up, like myflow, I guess, and so it made it
a little difficult for me towrite the second book because

(12:22):
then I felt like I had to movesome things around in the second
book.
But anyway, it ended up workingout fine.
But when people read that firstbook they're like what the fuck
?
Like?
What's wrong with you?
What are you thinking?
Why would you do that?
Are you a messed up human being?

Speaker 3 (12:37):
you know, it's the thing it was so funny because by
this time so we had ended up,we end up.
We just ended up talking,talking back and forth on TikTok
about that.
I did my video and I said, oh,this is my first arc.
So then she was like, oh, thisis your first arc.
And so we're talking back andforth, and back and forth and

(12:58):
the thing that Sarah doesn'ttell you is you know how some
people say is a, you know, aduet, or it has three books.
By the time she releases thefirst book, she has pretty much
written all the books.

Speaker 2 (13:12):
This is not normal for most authors yeah so I've
got about nine, I've got aboutnine books written and I already
have three out.

Speaker 1 (13:21):
Yeah, listen when you wrote lola and first of all I
didn't know it was gonna be asecond, but when I finished,
like when I got to the end, Ikept on saying, like, like, at
90 I'm like there's noresolution there's no resolution
there's, and then I'm like afew pages left and I'm like it's

(13:43):
too much going on.
So how she like how we about todo this, did they ending?

Speaker 2 (13:47):
I curse you these oh, you guys, do you know how many
people, especially when they gotto like certain chapters, and
you know there's two charactersin this book that you don't
expect to pop up with a chapterand I have had had people get a
hold of me on Instagram, get ahold of me on TikTok leaving me

(14:08):
voice messages on there crying.
I'm literally hearing peoplecrying.
They're like I just got tochapter 16.
And I'm just like, oh fuck, I'msorry, I'm sorry, what are you
doing?
What are you doing Because Ifeel like you and I, I feel like
you and I I feel like she's not.

Speaker 1 (14:28):
And I got to the end and then I thought about it
Because I didn't realize thatyou had sent me an ARC.
And so I went to go and look Isaid this fucking book.
I didn't even know yet what thefuck I said I got to Because
people be sending me stuff a lot, so I didn't realize know yet
what the fuck I said I got tobecause people be sending me
stuff a lot.
So I didn't realize that thebook.
And then when I went back andread the message, because I was

(14:48):
just I'd be excited when y'alllet me tell y'all something I
get so excited when authorsreach out to me Y'all be making
me feel like I'm the shit.
I was like what you are, youtook your time, you are, you

(15:10):
thought of me to send this to meand I automatically bumped it
like stop what I was reading.
And I started, I downloaded it,started reading it, and so when
I got to the end and then Iwent on kindle and I was like
what the fuck?

Speaker 2 (15:15):
there?
I was like it ain't even onkindle.

Speaker 1 (15:16):
So I went back to the mess and I had actually
messaged you like and I had dida video like where the fuck is,
part two, and then I went backand then I was like this shit, I
don't even know yet yes, girl,I know yeah and one thing about
me is I'm gonna beg, and so youknow I was like can I get book

(15:38):
two?
Because what?

Speaker 3 (15:41):
yeah, that's how it was with.
Now imagine that, but just alittle bit worse wait, it was
worse yeah, and the pain wenurture, yeah and so she was
like how long should I wait?
I was like you should not waitthat long at all, because
they're gonna be ready to comeget you first of all.
You get that cliffhanger, andthat's already a sore spot for

(16:03):
people.
Now I'm going to go bump thisup.

Speaker 1 (16:11):
I got a few arcs and I got an alpha and a beta read.
But it's not going to take melong with those at all.
But I'm going to bump this upbecause you said it's worse than
this cliffhanger on.

Speaker 2 (16:22):
Lola.
No, it's worse.
It's not even a comparison.
I did really leave you guys ona cliffhanger, but we're going
to be honest.
Yes, you did, I did it.
You have not.
I did it girl.

Speaker 3 (16:36):
You're like where's your heart, when is it you
really Do you have?

Speaker 2 (16:40):
a heart.

Speaker 3 (16:41):
I told her.
I said let me tell you, theonly reason I'm in time right
now is because I already knowwhat's going to happen.
I said for those who don't knowwhat's going to happen, they're
going to kill you.

Speaker 2 (16:52):
Yeah, I have people.
No, I have people threatening.
I literally have people like,probably more playfully, but I
have people threatening to like,find me.

Speaker 3 (17:05):
They're like if you don't get book two out, yeah,
Doesn't show how long do I?

Speaker 2 (17:09):
not at all.
It was bad, yeah, yeah, youshould have said something.

Speaker 3 (17:16):
I've read books where authors are like I know, I know
, I left you on cliffhanger.
I'm like don't, don't the factthat you acknowledge it don't
make it better.
I left you on cliffhanger.
I'm like, don't, don't the factthat you acknowledge it don't
make it better right.

Speaker 1 (17:30):
I just want to rewind it, because she said she did
not leave us on the cliffhanger.
I really didn't do I need toreiterate what a door closed and
old boy came in.
Frank came in with a gun and heended.

Speaker 2 (17:46):
Yeah, I know that's just a sneak peek in the part
two, though that is.
That really is Part two.
Part two.
Part two is wild.

Speaker 1 (17:56):
I didn't even know that there was a part.
I didn't even know that therewas a part two.
This was before I knew therewas a part two.

Speaker 3 (18:02):
She really needs to put part two coming soon.
But sometimes people do thatjust because they're like okay,
so yeah, yeah, she does it.

Speaker 2 (18:11):
Part two is for pre-order.
You can actually go pre-orderpart two right now.

Speaker 3 (18:16):
It's been beta read and arcs will come out after the
15th.
We'll discuss that.

Speaker 2 (18:26):
Yeah, come out after the 15th.
We'll discuss that.
I don't have an official ARCrelease date because, depending
on what feedback I get from thebeta readers, I'll not rewrite
but I might change some things.
It just depends.

Speaker 1 (18:36):
I'm about to go in right now and put in for my.

Speaker 3 (18:41):
ARC.
Don't worry, I got you.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
You got to contact her.
Yeah, you gotta contact her.

Speaker 3 (18:48):
You gotta contact her , so I got you we have on
presley land discord yeah so letme tell you we uh.
So I started off as her artreader.
Then I became her beta readerbecause she was like oh, I have
books.
And when she said I have books,she always real casual, I have,
she was real casual, I havebooks.
She had like 15 books, I havebooks.
I'm like okay.

(19:08):
And then, most recently, I knowyou've heard us talk about the
King Dynasty and I know that'sreally near and dear to my heart
because I operate Literally.
She spoon fed that to me everynight.
I would, uh, I joke with thebeta readers now.

(19:29):
When I first started this, thenI said I I get to tell you guys
to check your emails and forthose who don't know, when miss
sk is feeding you a book, that'swhen she texts you check your
email.
So everything comes on thereand I have literally read and
talked to and everything likethat and she's good, she'll.

(19:49):
She'll ask like hey, does thisflow?
Does it make sense?
So yeah, by the time you getart, you have gone through her
going over it over and overagain, rewriting it as yellow
matter and saying why are yourewriting that?

Speaker 1 (20:03):
that was good let me tell you something to be a bet.
Your at.
Your alpha and beta readers arephenomenal because the book is
like chef kiss like and I thinkthat's so a lot of people don't
know about alpha and betareaders and that they are free,
that you don't have to actuallypay for them look this look, no

(20:24):
tea, no shade but yeah, but youdon't have to pay for them.

Speaker 3 (20:28):
Yeah, the only thing is and that was one of the
things we said to the betareaders is I get you're excited
about having the book, but weneed you to be honest you need
to be honest.
Don't just say, oh, it's goodbecause you're happy to have the
book.
Be honest, this doesn't makesense.

Speaker 1 (20:44):
Say, hey, this doesn't make sense and I have
been on some teams where I havegiven my feedback and people
have jumped down my throat andI'm like yeah, I ain't changing
my stance.

Speaker 2 (20:55):
I love constructive criticism.
I love, I think, me personally.
I love it.
So for lola one, I actuallyonly had three beta readers.
I had Tracy I mentioned herearlier.
I had Tracy and I had Ashleyand I had Jessica, and those
were my beta readers and no oneelse had really read it until I

(21:17):
was ready to give it to them.
And then they got to read it.
But as far as like peopleoffering me like actual feedback
and like really working with meon the book, that was them.
And when it came to like theediting process, I worked like
almost exclusively with Tracyover making sure like there was
no typos, there was no, likenothing, like I want to make

(21:40):
sure this book was as perfect asI could get it, because what
happened with the pain wenurture?
I'm not trying to like call outAmazon or nothing, okay, but
what happened with the pain wenurture was I had had it edited
and then I put the pain wenurture up and then I ended up
having to go in and change somethings.
But what you can only go in andchange something like 22% of a

(22:03):
book before Amazon like flagsyou and then they, they like get
rid of your book or they makeyou re upload it as a different
book and you get they get rid ofall your reviews.
It's almost like a whole newbook and I didn't want to get
dinged.
It's my first book.
I didn't want my account to getdinged and then them telling me
like, oh, you can't upload anybooks.
You know, because Amazon isreally like nitpicky about stuff

(22:24):
like that.
So when I uploaded the secondround, I accidentally uploaded
an unedited version of this book.
So there's going to be typos.
There's like even a spot inthis book where, like, the
paragraph is in there twice.
It's like crazy, but it stillreads well.
But book right here almostflawless, almost flawless.

(22:47):
And this book right here,flawless, except for amazon's
misprints.
Let me tell you.
Let me tell you what happened.
Okay, it does not look likethis whenever you format it and
whenever you turn it in, butlook, do you see that?

Speaker 1 (23:04):
Are those chapters?

Speaker 2 (23:08):
Here's the contents and then there's like an extra
empty, like an extra empty, likechapter numbers with no
chapters.
It doesn't look like thatwhenever you upload it.
So I had to go back in and likere upload it and the hardback

(23:31):
it shouldn't print like this,but my first couple hardback
books that I got the authorcopies for it looks like that
and it shouldn't look like that.
So sometimes things are likeAmazon's fault and and other
times it really is our fault.
But I'm going to be honest Ithink most of the time when you
see books that have likemisprints and things like that,
it really is Amazon.

Speaker 1 (23:53):
Now, does Amazon correct it when they do things
like this, or do they give youlike a credit?
Because I know they don't giveyou grace when they like they
don't give you grace.

Speaker 2 (24:02):
Absolutely not.
So what I usually end up doingis I just re, I just re-upload
the manuscript and then.
So when I got um, when I gotthe orders again, it looked
better.
But now I'm just worriedbecause you know, sometimes
they'll glitch.
They'll glitch like when youorder um, the pain we nurture.
This is the og cover, and Ichanged the OG cover to the new

(24:25):
cover and it took like monthsfor it.
They didn't even catch it.
So it had been uploaded formonths.
But when people were orderingthe pain we nurture, they would.
Either it was a wash up onwhether they would get the OG
cover or whenever they would getthe new cover.
So Amazon was still printingthe old cover too, even though
for my yeah, even though formonths I still had, like, the

(24:46):
new cover on there.
It's, it's insane.
But I'm glad that you know wehave a platform to be able to
self-publish.
But, man, I feel like theycould treat us a lot better than
what we're treated.

Speaker 1 (24:57):
I do, yeah, I do I hear so many stories of amazon
and them, um, taking downreviews over small little eras
and stuff.
And that's another reason why Iwant to start the podcast and
stuff, because I'm going tostart reaching out to them to
kind of bridge the gap on, like,what can we do to save these
author reviews, to get them back, so that people because
sometimes people do not go backand post the reviews like we

(25:19):
asked, you know, like you askedthem to and stuff.
So how can we go back or howcan we work together to bridge
those gaps and stuff, so that,yeah, yeah, it's beneficial for
both of us.
So we're gonna wait just for asecond, we're gonna take a quick
commercial break and then wewill be right back and we are

(25:39):
going to get into the questionsfor lola Amask, with Miss Escape

(26:00):
Presley, 30 years of experience.

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(26:42):
We're going to make them feelsome type of way.
Let's go 10, 0, 6 wins.
Bro, I see it.
I tell them to me.

Speaker 1 (26:49):
All righty, so we are back from commercial break.
Thank you, guys for stickingwith us and staying in tune.
We are about to get into thequestions for Miss SK Presley.
The first one that I want toask is what does the process of

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writing diverse characters looklike?
Like within different agegroups, ethnicities?
What does that process looklike?
Or are the characters based offof people we know?

Speaker 2 (27:22):
So not, the characters aren't always based
off of people we know, or so not, the characters aren't always
based off of people we know.
Sometimes, I mean, I take a lotof inspiration from books and
tv shows and even other people.
So, um, I am a diverse, I'm a,I'm a bipoc, so I mean I write
diversely.
Um, I write, I try.
I told myself, going into this,into my author journey, that I

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wanted to do representation forall.
So, you know, as I release moreworks, you're going to see, you
know, you're going to see alldifferent types of cultures,
you're going to see differentages, you of work to be better
and more diverse, I always wantto put a little something in

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there that you wouldn't evenexpect.
So in the Pain we Nurture.
So in this one, my maincharacter, my main male
character's best friend, isMuslim, and so we touch on it's
not so much a tease, but like wetouch on their brotherly banter
and how the character his nameis, jonathan, always asks is it

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halal?
Because he wants to make surethat everyone's respecting his
cultural preferences and maybeproviding a little bit of
education on what that is.
I have a few Muslim friendsmyself and you know they read a
lot and and they never.
They tell me all the time wedon't really get to read.
You know these types of books,you know, with us in them, so I

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try to like always make it towhere you know.
If you pick up my book, lexi,you'll see yourself somewhere,
you know.
Same thing with Ashley, mean, Iwrote.
So these first couple books,you know, features Latina
characters.
But I also have AfricanAmerican characters in here
that's going to get their ownbooks.
I mean, there's a whole, theseries has a whole friendship

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group and so we're going totouch on, you know, latina,
we're going to touch onCaucasian, we're going to touch
on Muslim, we're going to touchon on African American, I mean,
and that's just like within thisone series, you know, and I
have a question with all ofthese cultures are you using,
like um, brenton's point ofviews to um to create the

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characters?

Speaker 1 (29:36):
are we researching or how does that process?
What does that process looklike?

Speaker 2 (29:40):
it's a mixture.
It's a mixture of both.
So I like to research, but thenI also, if I have a friend
who's in that culture, I alsolike to reach out to them and be
like, hey, can you give me amore like personable, you know
point of view on like whatsomething like this would look
like.
Or, you know, can you read thisto see, to make sure that I am.
You know I don't ever want tohurt anyone's feelings.

(30:01):
You know, by trying to help,you know represent, I don't ever
want to hurt anyone's feelings,you know, by trying to help.
You know represent.
So I want to know, like, fromyour point of view, what does
this look like?
Is there something that I couldchange?
Is there something that I cando different?
Or is there something I can domore?
Can I put more of something?
And I always try to make surethat you know I try not to do
too much.
You know, like some characterscan do too much.

(30:24):
But I love when I do mycharacter descriptions.
I mean I write, you know shehas, like you know, a beautiful
ethnic nose.
Or you know her hair texture isa certain way.
Or you know her skin is acertain way, or she speaks a
certain way, like it's heraccent thicker, it not thicker.
You know, I try to really givepeople um, like when they

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envision my characters.
I want them, I really want themto have something to pull from.
I try not to make it super,super vague.
I know there are other authorswho I'm sorry, my child is just
doing a lot.
Stop, okay, just give me asecond.
Give me a second, okay, I me asecond.
Okay, I'm so sorry, that's okay.
So I really do my best to tryto like, give you enough to like

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.
Let you know like, hey, like Iam writing diversely, but I
don't want it to be like this isthe main focus, but I do want
you to know, like, if the, ifthe main character is Latina,
like I'm not just going tomention it like one time in the
beginning, like there's going tobe other things that like
remind you.
You know what I mean, um, and Ifeel like.

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I feel like sometimes you know Iget that there are authors who
you know they purposely writevery um, like in a way to where
you can picture yourself as themain character, and I understand
that and I completely respectauthors who do that.
I haven't done that so far inmy work.
That's not to say that I won'tcreate a book where it's like,

(31:56):
okay, I'll let you put yourself,like we're going to be
completely, you know, unanimous,I'm not going to give too much,
and you can put yourself intothat character's shoes.
For me, part of the fun is likeI want to be able to pick up a
book and be like, oh my gosh,there's a girl there with like
wavy, you know, curly hair andshe looks like me.
And I want to see myself youknow what I mean my daughter.
I'm not necessarily my books,but I would like my daughter to

(32:20):
pick up a book and see herselfas the main character.
I'm'm sorry, guys.
I want her to be able to belike, oh my gosh, that main
character, like she's beautifuland loved and she looks like me,
like there's nothing wrong withwanting representation in books
at all At all.
So that's my process.

Speaker 1 (32:37):
When you said you wanted your daughter to look, I
was gonna say, yeah, I was sure.
For the same, like your say,like your book your book?

Speaker 2 (32:44):
no, not in my book not in her book maybe when she's
60, 70, 80 years old, maybewait a minute now, when I'm not
around then she can read thebook.

Speaker 1 (32:59):
Yes, are any of your characters based off of, like
anyone, like your best friendsor anybody in your personal life
, or they just come straightfrom, they just come to you?

Speaker 2 (33:10):
so in Lola and Masters a?
Um, she has a neighbor who'slike a grandfather figure, um,
his name is Frank and Icompletely based him off my dad.
I mean, mr Presley is all inthis book and in the next two
books, so his whole, hischaracteristics, his traits, his
mannerisms, the way he speaks,like it's literally like my

(33:31):
father regurgitated out onto thepage.
And sometimes my dad will saystuff and I'll look at him and
I'll be like, did you reallyjust say, like, did you not hear
yourself speak?
Or something Like, what are youeven talking about right now?
And he tries so hard, guys, butyou know it.
Just so I really did my best totry to like implement, um, like

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really implement that.
And frank, and when I read thebook, you know it really makes
me think of my dad and, um, I'ma daddy's girl, I have a good
relationship with him, so I liketo see him represented in here.
And as far as some of the othercharacters in here, I mean I
based like for the pain wenurture and the pain we allow.
I base the characters like offof Rio and Elizabeth, off of

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good girls.
So I mean, I draw, I drew myinspiration off of that Going
forward with some of my otherbooks.
Yeah, like I might have pulledtraits from like certain people
that I wanted you know in there,but I don't want to say that I
just specifically like said, oh,like I'm gonna look at Ashley,
I'm gonna put Ashley in thisbook exactly like Ashley is.

(34:39):
I haven't done that yet.
I might later on in some books,but I think like I'm still so
new to this, like it's mostlyjust my imagination going can
this work?
Will this work?
Like I don't know.
Let me write it down and we'llsee if it works.
And so far, like people havebeen loving what they've been
reading, so I hope I can keep itup.

Speaker 1 (34:58):
I've definitely been loving what I've been reading.

Speaker 3 (35:00):
Yeah, so I'm going to say something and I just want
you to understand that thiscomes from you and you set me up
for this.
You opened this door.

Speaker 4 (35:09):
And I walked through it, ok.

Speaker 3 (35:13):
Frank is based off of your dad, right, Mm-hmm.
So in book three will you writethat for?

Speaker 1 (35:20):
me Wait, ashley, because you privy to some shit
that we're not privy to, sowe're not even going to talk
about that you wrote that aboutyour dad.
I'm real jealous right now.
I just want y'all to know thatI'm real jealous right now
because what?

Speaker 2 (35:38):
girl, if you read book two, I'll give you book
three.

Speaker 1 (35:42):
Still on book one and she talk about book three.
But I absolutely love Frank inbook one and it was.
There was a scene I was likeFrank is nosy as fuck.
How did he miss him creepingaround the house?
But then when you rolled aroundand you said it, I said I
fucking knew he seen it.
Why the hell you ain't sayingthat, frank?

Speaker 2 (36:08):
when you seen this man creeping around this house
and stuff.
I guess he just know goodpeople, he know good people.
That gets addressed, yeah, thatgets addressed in book two,
because, because hudson has a,he has a thought where he's like
I knew, he knew I was out there, like I knew, he knew you know,
but he just didn't say anythingand they never talk about it.
That's the thing, though.
It's just like that kind oflike understanding, that
unspoken understanding that youknow two people can have, and
it's like we don't got to talkabout it, but we see each other,

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you know.
That's.
That's Frank and Hudson'srelationship.

Speaker 1 (36:33):
I had another question, but I want to know
where did Lola come from?

Speaker 2 (36:40):
OK.
So I was scrolling on Pinterestand I saw, saw this beautiful
woman.
I mean beautiful.
I'll send you the picturewhenever we get done.
I think you probably have seenthe picture.
You had to, because I put herin some of my tiktok videos and
I stopped like literally deadstop.
I was like, oh my god, basedthe whole character off of her,
don't even know what the woman'slike or nothing, but just saw a

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picture of her and I was likethis this is Lola.

Speaker 1 (37:04):
Because I was like this lady named Athena.
Who the hell is Lola?
Who the hell is Lola?

Speaker 3 (37:13):
Okay, let me tell you about being friends.
This is being friends with SK.
It is SK writing books andsending them to you.
And then one day you get aphone call and it starts like
this and goes don't be mad at me, and I'm like what the hell?

Speaker 1 (37:30):
what did you?

Speaker 3 (37:30):
do.
What did you?

Speaker 1 (37:32):
do that, I would be mad at.

Speaker 3 (37:34):
So I started a new book.
I said why would you think Iwould be mad at this?
I started a new book and I'mlike, okay, so what is it about?

Speaker 2 (37:47):
and then she starts saying and she gets really
excited and you know, then it'snow, it's out now and now it's
out yeah, and people and peoplelove it and I'm actually, and I
don't I don't know why I alwayssay I'm surprised, because I
really am.
That you know, I think there'salways that fear as an author
that you know, you, when you, Ireally poured my heart and soul,

(38:12):
like my blood, sweat and tears,into this book, I'm telling you
, and there's always that fearthat people aren't going to like
it, you know, and it feels like, because it's your creation,
it's like a baby, right, likeyou spend all this time growing
it and and everything, and then,and then you have to like,
remove it from yourself and giveit to the world to like,
critique and to like, maybe notlike love, maybe not love, tear

(38:36):
it apart, you know, and there'salways that fear like, oh man,
like I don't know if, like,somebody out here is going to
like, hate it or are they goingto take offense to it and I
didn't mean it that way, or, youknow, or maybe they love it too
much and I wind up like thatauthor off of misery.
You know if anyone still knowswhat that movie is, you know,

(38:57):
after 30, 40, you know, but,yeah, um, writing is just so.
I mean, you really do tear apiece of your soul out and leave
it in between the pages of abook.
You really do that kind ofanswer.
My, I was going to ask youreally do tear a piece of your
soul out and leave it in betweenthe pages of a book?
You really do?

Speaker 1 (39:13):
That kind of answered my.
I was going to ask you how doyou disconnect from your
characters, but it seems likeyou don't disconnect from.
Look at Ashley's like she doesnot disconnect from her
characters.

Speaker 3 (39:24):
That's why we have Presley Land.
Presley Land is not justDiscord, it is just her books,
because I don't know if it'sokay to say or not, but she's
going to connect all her books.
Yeah, she's going to beimpressed.
You know that.

Speaker 1 (39:41):
Oh, it's going to be like you're going to do world
building where the characters Ifreaking love.
When books interact, I eat thatshit up what?

Speaker 2 (39:53):
Yeah?
So when you're reading KingDynasty, you know they're going
to make like a reference toFrank in there, like one of the
characters is going to make areference to Frank and Frank is
actually going to get a novella.
I haven't started it yet, butFrank is going to get a novella.

Speaker 3 (40:08):
So Frank's novella started off as a joke and we
kept joking about it and I saidI told her.
I said if we don't stop jokingabout it, you're going to end up
writing it.

Speaker 1 (40:20):
And she didn't.
Wrote Frank a novella.

Speaker 3 (40:22):
And she's going to write Frank a novella, and I
can't oh God, I can't wait.

Speaker 2 (40:26):
Yep, Yep yeah.

Speaker 3 (40:31):
Go ahead.

Speaker 1 (40:32):
No, I was going to say I'm so excited Like I don't
know how much I love the Frankcharacter and I was going to
slide in your DMs and beg forlike an extended epilogue or
something to where it is,because I know his wife died.
And then, like I'm nosy as heckI know some of these authors be
like this bitch is getting onmy fucking nerves.

(40:53):
I be wanting to write and belike so Frank's wife died.
They live in this house thewhole time.
When did Lola move in?
How did he introduce himself?

Speaker 2 (41:03):
How did he become?

Speaker 1 (41:04):
so fatherly.

Speaker 2 (41:06):
You're going to learn about that in book three.
You're going to learn aboutthat in book three.
You're gonna learn about thatin book three.
Sometimes it's not always whatthings seem.
Yeah, frank has a whole history.

Speaker 1 (41:18):
It's great and the gun cabinet and like Frank is,
but like Frank is about it, whenhe came in the end and he bust
in the door I was like what thefuck is Frank?

Speaker 2 (41:30):
yeah, I know, I know, I know Frank don't play, he
don't play at all, and you'regoing to see that in book two
and he's funny, he's got a senseof humor.
He just says off the wall stuffand he acts off the wall and
everything but a lot of his.
You see more of his characterin the second book and just that

(41:51):
um, that seriousness and likereally what he used to do as a
job really comes out and um, butbook three, oh, you're gonna
see it.
You're gonna see it.
You're gonna see a part of bookthree like it's.
I cannot wait for book three.
Like I want book two, like Ialmost feel like, so tempted to
just go ahead and publish booktwo just so that, like in a few

(42:11):
months, I can publish book three, because look at me.
I'm like do it, do it, do it Iknow, I know, and book three is
just like it's some, it's somegood work.
I will say that I reallyshocked myself with some of this
.
Right, I really do.
Um, and I've had um who reallyhelped me with book one and book

(42:33):
two.
Um, book three is really likean ode to Tracy, I would say.
But book three I really wantpeople to kind of think.
Think about, like maybe, howthey write and how they read.
So like for me, I do a lot ofplot, like I have spicy stuff

(42:54):
short, like in my books, likethey're spicy okay, but I want
that story to be just as liketitillating as the spice.
I don't want you to just likeget off on the spice, I want all
spice and no plot yeah, I wantlike it's like soup, right, like
you know, the onions is likesomething, the meatballs is

(43:14):
something like, the, thepotatoes is something like, and
it all gets conjured up and it'slike a beautiful thing at the
end, you know.
But that that's how I write.
No shades to people who who dowrite smut.

Speaker 1 (43:25):
I mean there's a and I was gonna say sometimes I be
liking, I was smutting, no spice, so I ain't gonna even put it
out there, like I only readstuff like that.
That's okay.

Speaker 3 (43:34):
No, sometimes you need a good one-handed romance,
you know it's good to get thatbook that has the layers where
it's like, and I know personally, I've read books that I thought
were going to be all smut andthen there's the layers and
you're like oh wow.
I love the layers because that'swhat makes it stick.

(43:56):
It sticks with you, not thatsmut doesn't stick with you,
because you know it does, butyeah, but the layers really
stick with you.
And, like someone has told SKbefore you're, you're building
book boyfriends and husbandswhere you're looking at them and
you're saying, yeah, I wouldlove, oh, my God.

Speaker 1 (44:18):
She's stating unrealistic expectations.

Speaker 2 (44:20):
Yes, Is it though?
Is it?
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (44:25):
I tell people all the time I say I know, on book type
we're supposed to be like, oh,let's see, if I really had that
man in real life, I put him injail.
I don't want to lie to y'all.
I wouldn't, I wouldn't.
Yes, okay, so you stalked me,but now you know what I like so
and now you're devoted just tome.
So I don't know what to tellyou.

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I wouldn't, I wouldn't.

Speaker 2 (44:48):
Listen, I would take a Hudson all day, every day.

Speaker 3 (44:51):
Give me a Hudson all day, every day, give me a Hudson
, give me a Colin are we gonnaget Hudson's like background of
like what happened, cause I girl.
I told her, look.
I told her.
I said not only can you, shouldyou do it, I said, but you have
the perfect name, cause it'sLola and Matt and you could call
it Hudson under the mask.

(45:12):
Oh, that's good, yeah, becauseI'm like he's always trying to,
you know, conceal it and if yougo under the mask you get to see
all the dark.

Speaker 1 (45:26):
I think we're prepared for all the dark and we
keep seeing glimpses of him andthen you keep hinting at stuff
that happened in the past, butyou don't fucking tell us.
I was like what the fuck?

Speaker 3 (45:36):
happened.
Just one free quote and you canliterally end it with him
seeing lola for the first time,and that would just be like all
the psychos wait.

Speaker 1 (45:47):
So what happened with the last woman he was with like
?
Did she leave him?
Did she die?

Speaker 2 (45:52):
he goes into it.
He goes into it with lola.
They have a conversation aboutit in the second book I was
gonna say what book this is inthe second book.
It's in the second book, yeah,but you get teased, you get t.
I don't throw it all at you atonce, but there is a scene in
book two where it's like Ithought I might have went too
dark.
I was like geez, like but butbut Hudson, hudson, my character

(46:15):
was like no, that that's,that's right, and so I left it
at that and it's, it's really.
It's dark.
The second book is dark.
So you know how there's likesome placeful moments, there's
like sweet moments in Lola wine.
I mean, there's not a lot ofthat in book two.
It really is different.
And then in book three we kindof transition into, we have more

(46:38):
of that sweetness and more ofthat stuff.
But, like in book two, like wegot to take care of dominic, so
it gets dark, you know.

Speaker 1 (46:45):
So you're gonna get frustrated, I think I'm so ready
for Dominic to be dealt with.
I can't stand his bitch ass letme tell you I called her.

Speaker 3 (46:55):
She can tell you I called her.
After reading the first littlebit of Dominic I said so how
long we gotta deal with him,cause I'm not a fan of him and I
want him to die slowly.

Speaker 1 (47:06):
I want him to die, don't make it quick.
I want him to die, I want himto suffer and I want every
detail.

Speaker 3 (47:14):
That is so funny.
That's why we got the wholefrank novella, because I tell
her all the time.
I said, let me tell your books,bring out that side of me,
because in king dynasty I waslike her ex has not suffered
enough.
I feel like he needs to suffermore.

Speaker 2 (47:30):
I, I feel like more.
Her ex was like a non-issue.
He just needed to be removedover to the side.
He didn't even need all that.
Now, dominic got the work.

Speaker 3 (47:40):
You know what I'm saying.
Dominic had to be handled inthat book.
Christopher still needs to behandled.
Doesn't have to be likeChristopher.
Whatever escape has the crapthat Christopheropher fooled,
okay, it's still not what.

Speaker 2 (47:54):
This is where we get the world meshing.
You just gotta let me do it.
You gotta let me do it.
Ash, I was just like I was soso okay, so I can't remember.
I don't know why I'm drawing ablank but um hudson and um
dominant, not dominicic, hudsonand Frank have a conversation.
It's in book two.
I'll give you a little sneakpeek.

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They have a conversation wherethey discuss what should happen
to Dominic and Frank asks Hudson.
He goes have you ever beenhunting before?
And Hudson looks at him andhe's like no, sir, and he's like
well, and he's like have you?
And then Frank starts rattlingoff 16 bucks in 1996, 32 bucks

(48:37):
in 1998, 52 bucks.

Speaker 1 (48:40):
Now, frank remembered the numbers.

Speaker 2 (48:42):
Yeah, yeah, he starts rattling them off and then he
goes and he was like you'regoing to be just fine with one
buck, so we're going to callfrank's.
Novella is gonna have to dosomething about bucks, so I
don't know if we're gonna callit frank's island of bucks or
something.
It's gonna have something to do.
But frank is gonna be thehandler where everyone who's

(49:03):
pissed off or they got someissue with whoever they're with
it, get dropped off to frank'sisland and Frank takes care of
them.
I love it.

Speaker 3 (49:13):
I freaking love it yeah yeah, that was a joke, and
now she's making it a reality.

Speaker 2 (49:19):
I'm making it a reality and we're gonna see
Christopher be dropped off withFrank Christopher from King's
Dynasty you know what I was soconcerned.

Speaker 1 (49:30):
I was like when I start doing these, I want to
give just enough information.
But I was like I know it'sgoing to be spoilers and stuff,
but I like how all of these,we're not giving spoilers, but
we're giving just enough to youknow where you can still enjoy
the book if you go and read it.
And then, once you get to it,hopefully you'll be like oh,
this is what they were talkingabout.

(49:50):
But we haven't given like any.
I was so worried.
I was like are we going to bespoiled?
I'm not going to be spoilingthis for people who maybe want
to go and catch it, but I'm inthis direction.

Speaker 2 (50:12):
That's why, like when I do write, my books are so in
depth and they're so detailedthat when I do give you like a
couple of, it's not gonna feellike when you read my books.
It's really not gonna feel likeit, because there's so much
like there's so many layers toit.
That is what I do give you.
At the end.
It's just gonna seem likenonsensical.
You know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (50:24):
So where it may seem like it's a big thing, it's not
I want to give y'all one of myfavorite scenes.

Speaker 2 (50:31):
Oh, I'm ready, yes.

Speaker 1 (50:36):
When she is, not when she is.
Knife down to the table.
Yes, I fucking melt it.
I melt it.
Yes, ma'am.
Okay, we all you know people behaving nice things here and
there, but girl yeah, that was apretty and then we get a not

(51:03):
safe for work art.
Like did we get that?

Speaker 2 (51:06):
not yet I pay.
I listen it's.

Speaker 1 (51:08):
It's being commissioned as we speak, yeah I
said where the fuck am I goingto put this in?
Because I got kids and my wifealready.
My wife already be side eyeingme on some.
She like what the hell is this?
I said I'm going to start doing, I'm going to start reading

(51:28):
some girl on girl stuff andgetting the art for it.
Maybe you will be she reallygoing to start reading some.

Speaker 2 (51:31):
Girl on Girl stuff and getting the art for it.
Maybe you will be.
She's really going to be likehey, did you get to the Girl on
Girl scene in my other book, theone that I was talking about,
the Water Sacrifice Did?

Speaker 1 (51:45):
you did?
You read that I did.
But which one was the girl withher and her friend?
Oh no, I know what the hellyou're talking about.
Look my mind like like when theservant girl well, can we call
her servant girl, because youknow people be like well the

(52:10):
type of book it is you know when?
When the helper girl came inbecause you know bitches be
tripping.
When the helper girl came inand he was like dude.
Yeah, I know, my face was redas a tomato.

Speaker 2 (52:25):
No, I bet it was.
Oh, I bet it was.
I was like what, yeah, girl,that was a pretty spicy book,
girl, that was a pretty spicy,but that was a pretty spicy, but
yeah, and in the woods whenthey got stopped when and I was
like they have to do this infront of everybody and he's
gonna take her for the everybody.

Speaker 1 (52:45):
But I love listen some of this.
That's why I don't like readingand telling people, um, that I
know like in, I say in the realworld, but like in the real
world what I read, because Ilove primal play, knife play and
people be like primal play,what, what is that?

(53:07):
Don't worry about.
If you don't know what it is,don't worry about it, right,
because it's gonna take it is.
Don't worry, right, becauseit's gonna take you too far.
I'll be like, and when I saystuff like that, I'll be like
they'll be like what are youreading?
I'm like, well, what are youreading that you don't know what
primal play is?

Speaker 3 (53:20):
my thing is.
Let me tell you something Isaid before I started this
journey of, like, really reading.
I said I did.
I said I did not realize justhow vanilla I was until I
started reading books.

Speaker 2 (53:33):
Like whoa people do this.

Speaker 3 (53:37):
I was like reading things and going yeah, I find
that very attractive.
You know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (53:45):
Yeah, like, I think, I like that, I like that.

Speaker 1 (53:49):
Man when I first started reading dark romance.
Man when I first startedreading Dark Romance.
First of all, I delved into itat a young age because my
uncle's trifling girlfriend whoturned wife gave me this.
I really hope my family don'twatch my shit, because I was
talking shit on the last one tooand I spilled some tea that I

(54:12):
probably shouldn't have spilled.

Speaker 2 (54:13):
so I pray my mom and them do not get a hold to these
okay, my mom's reading Lola, andshe messaged me and I said I
said no.
I said no, no, oh my god, Isaid no, please don't, please,

(54:40):
don't read this oh my god, mymother is reading lola and I was
like I, sorry.
And I didn't tell her.
She just found, I don't know.
I think so, jess, my PA sheposted something on my Instagram
and she didn't realize thatwhen I had been posting stuff on

(55:03):
my Instagram I unclicked for itto be posted over to Facebook
because it's my private Facebook, like with the people I used to
go to church with my grandma,all my family, all my old co
workers, some new co workers,like so she anyway.
So she saw I had a new releasethat I've been like trying not

(55:24):
to.
I've been keeping under wraps,you know, because those scenes
in that book I don't want my momlooking at me like it's just
weird.
You know, like your brain book.
I don't want my mom looking atme like it's just weird.
You know, like your brain workslike this.
Yeah, my brain works like this,you know, but the things and
you know what they do in lola, Ijust talked about the knife
scene, I know, and that was justone little so let me tell you,

(55:49):
I have no sympathy for her.

Speaker 3 (55:50):
You don.

Speaker 2 (55:50):
I have no sympathy for her you don't have no
sympathy for me.

Speaker 3 (55:56):
I'll tell you why I laughed in her face and I was a
bitch about it.
She was because, as I startedwriting, I told her.
You know, when I first said shewas like you should write, you
should write, I said I can't.
She was like you should write,you should write.
I said I can't.
And she was like why?
I said, well, first of all, Icould never release it under my

(56:16):
name, right, and she was likewhy?
I was like first of all, Idon't need people to know,
especially in my family, that Ihave these kind of thoughts,
right, because y'all don'tunderstand that I have these
kind of thoughts, right, becausey'all don't understand they
will read the book and be likeAshley and I'm like yeah yeah,

(56:41):
oh it'll be easy, everybody doesit, don't worry about it, it's
no big deal.
But then when her mom startsreading the book, then it's a
big deal.
But then when her mom startsreading it, but then it's a big
deal.

Speaker 2 (56:54):
I was like no, let me tell you why I thought I was
safe.
Let me tell you why I thought Iwas safe.
Okay, because she still has notpaid.
Made it past page 39 in thepain we nurture.
So I thought, okay, she's notgonna read anything else.
If she's not gonna read thatone, she's not gonna read the
other stuff.
So I gave myself permission togo full out that part is so

(57:17):
dirty wait.

Speaker 3 (57:18):
The sad part is it's really not because it still got
some kind of hinge to it now.
When she writes right now wekeep talking about King Dynasty
it's actually at least two books, and the one she has now is the
Heir but when she writesDespair, oh man, despair, that's

(57:40):
gonna be, my most unhingedpiece of work.

Speaker 1 (57:44):
I'm just waiting on your mama to get to the part in
Lola Amaz where she in the storeand he is watching her shop for
her goodies.
And she get home and the bag islike what I know, chapter seven
.

Speaker 2 (58:01):
Yeah, that's chapter seven.
That's chapter seven.
Yeah, I just I.

Speaker 3 (58:07):
I want to hear this.
I can't wait.
I wish I could be a fly on thewall.

Speaker 2 (58:13):
I'm going to have to say hang on, mom.
We got someone that's beendying to hear this conversation.

Speaker 1 (58:19):
She should do a reaction video.
I need mama to start recordingherself reading it oh my.

Speaker 3 (58:24):
God, this is about to go down.
It is going to be a thingbecause, yeah, sarah can write a
thing.

Speaker 2 (58:35):
Sarah can write a thing, thank you, when she gets
to where Hudson gives Lola herown horse stall in book two, I'm
going to have to relocate toanother country.
I'm going to have to relocate.

Speaker 3 (58:50):
Wait, that is so easy .
Do you think your mother isactually gonna read book two?

Speaker 2 (58:56):
she might, I don't know she gonna read it.

Speaker 3 (59:01):
Maybe she likes it.
Maybe that's why you ain'theard from, because I'm sure by
now she's been got the chapterseven maybe she closed it up and
be like let me, let let hermind my business.
Let me let her do what she do,she might she might, or she's
sitting over there with it wideopen.

Speaker 2 (59:17):
Oh my God, oh my God.
No, I knew there was somethingwrong with her, I knew it.
I mean, you kind of just pulledit out there.

Speaker 3 (59:26):
I'm just saying you didn't pull this out of the air.

Speaker 2 (59:30):
No, you pulled it out of my imagination you know, but
I will say this.
But I will say this I haven'tread a lot of dark romances, so
I felt like when I started mywriting journey, um, I didn't
have a lot to pull from like asfar as like inspiration from

(59:51):
like other authors and thingslike that.
Because, like I I admittedlyadmit that I don't I'm not a
huge reader.
I used to be, but I was so likeI was busy with school, grad
school, you know, being ahomemaker, work, full time
worker, all that stuff.
I just didn't have the time.
So I went through a lot of youknow, am I doing this right?

(01:00:14):
Am I doing this right?
Like, are people gonna like it,is it not?
I was thinking that, like,maybe I was writing too tame,
like you know, or is anybodygonna like?
Like how I wrote thisparticular scene?
And you know, I went through alot of like and I still do go
through imposter syndromebecause, you know, everybody
wants to, everybody comparesthemselves to other people at
some level.

Speaker 1 (01:00:35):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:00:36):
And, and I went through a lot of that and and I
still do, you know, because Iwant to be on par, like, with my
counterparts, you know.
But at some point I had to letsome of that stuff go Because,
like, even if, like, I wrote theway some of these other authors
wrote, like, then it wouldn'tbe me, you know, like I don't

(01:00:58):
want to be them.
At the end of the day, I wantto be me.
So I had to let go the the fearof like whether I was doing this
right or not doing it right oror anything.
And I figured you know I'llfind my tribe like people will
read my books and you knoweither they'll like it or they
won't like it, and I'm slowlydeveloping a readership that you
know I'm really thankful for.
I really appreciate, you know,I appreciate everybody's advice,

(01:01:22):
all the support that I get fromeveryone, even you, even Ashley
, like I can't go one day.
I mean Ashley disappeared for afew hours the other day and I
thought my whole world wasfalling apart.

Speaker 3 (01:01:32):
I was like Ashley you know, but I always tell her it
only takes that one book.
I said because there areauthors who I have started

(01:01:55):
reading and I have all theirbooks, but I did not necessarily
read their first book.
And so much later I might havepicked up one book from there,
fell in love with that one bookand then bought all their books.

Speaker 1 (01:02:10):
That was that's me.

Speaker 3 (01:02:11):
Yeah.
That's how I was with one bookfor people to pick up, and it
might not be the same one.
It might be lola for someoneelse.
It might be um king dynasty forother people it might even be
something you haven't done.
And then they're like what elsehas this author written?

Speaker 1 (01:02:29):
and go and read your whole catalog.

Speaker 3 (01:02:31):
Yeah, now I'm buying all of her stuff because I like
the way she's writing and thesecharacters speak to me, and then
, especially, you connect them.
Oh, if you connect them, then Ineed to know oh, you talking
about this couple right here.
Well, what happened in theirstory?

Speaker 1 (01:02:46):
you know, yeah, thank you, thank you, thank you oh
child when I say I can't waitbecause I already got my hands
on the lola, a mask and thewater sacrifice.
And the water sacrifice I hadto be like.

Speaker 2 (01:03:10):
It was different, wasn't it?
It was very different.

Speaker 1 (01:03:14):
It was and I was like oh Okay, we started out slow
and then it started to pick up,and then I was like oh, oh.

Speaker 2 (01:03:26):
Yeah, and it just kept going and going and going.

Speaker 1 (01:03:30):
Yes, and then it was at the water stream and I'm like
, so you just go watch her, yeah, in this.
And I could just picture likethe because, the culture and
stuff.
So I could just picture likewhat they were wearing and he
was just staring and then him,yep yep yeah man I worked so

(01:03:52):
hard on that book, oh my god yes, and then for the mama and
daddy to slip something in theirdrink wait what?
And I was like, oh, we did it.
They try to figure out what'sgoing on and stuff the mom like,
oh, we did what you know I wasback in the day there was not

(01:04:23):
all this.

Speaker 2 (01:04:24):
You know, they were so free, like years and years
and years ago.
I mean they're free.
They didn't have all thismodesty and all these rules
about stuff, you know, and Ireally tried to emulate that in
the book.

Speaker 1 (01:04:40):
You did, because I felt like I was in that time.
I had to go Google some shit.
I was like what the fuck isthis?

Speaker 3 (01:04:46):
It's okay, ever since I started reading dark romance,
I had to Google a lot of shit,yeah like a wigwam.

Speaker 1 (01:04:57):
I may be saying it wrong.
I said what the fuck is awigwam?
Yeah I had to go google likewhat the fuck is this?

Speaker 2 (01:05:06):
and then I was like, oh, oh yeah, and that was really
like I wanted, man, man, like Ireally, and that's what I
wanted.
I wanted people to readsomething different and, if they
didn't know, go Google andmaybe learn something that they
didn't know before.

Speaker 1 (01:05:23):
I love books like that you know so.
But yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:05:28):
But I'll probably end up, you know, re-releasing that
book when I feel a little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:05:34):
You know better about it.
I think that the books youwrite are really great.
It does not surprise me thatyou are a brat, so that's why
you're most of your femalecharacters are brats.

Speaker 2 (01:05:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:05:51):
And so that's when you're like, can you believe
that I'm a brat?
I'm like, yeah, I sure can thatwords, but there were things oh
, hang on, let's catch her up.

Speaker 2 (01:06:01):
We took, we took a test, we took a test to find out
on the on the spectrum of likewhat would you call it?
Like a bdM?

Speaker 3 (01:06:09):
you all took a BDSM test yes we all did as we took
the test, we realized okay, solet me explain.
So this is how it happened forme, the reason I was interested
in it because we have this malefriend and I jokingly started

(01:06:30):
calling him sir and then Irealized that like and I mean,
like I would be like, oh, thankyou sir, and stuff like that,
and then I realized I kind ofliked it.
So I was like I was like, yeah,like I chose, I chose.

Speaker 2 (01:06:48):
I just sent.
I just sent my results to you,girl what was he saying?

Speaker 3 (01:06:52):
why you were calling him sir he allowed me to call
him sir and he, yeah, I got goodgirls, of course.
And now the other thing is thisgood girl makes me blush.
Oh my God.
We have a group of narratorfriends and they know if they
want me to blush They'll be likeoh, you've been such a good
girl.
I'm like, stop playing with me.
Because you know my reaction tothat I love being called a good

(01:07:16):
girl.
And then, like we're justjoking, and so it was the three
of us and we would all call himdifferent things, like we had
one friend call him Demon Daddyand Sarah would call him.
What did you call him?
Sarah, master, nova, master,yeah, Master Nova, and I would
call him Sir, and he actually,before we even took the test, he

(01:07:37):
broke it down down the reasonthat we did it, and we're like
damn, I mean you're gonna helpme pull out my your paper?
and so then we were talking, hewas like, hey, he had to talk to
my friend, one of our friends.

(01:07:58):
It was like she had taken thetest.
But then we talked to me aboutit.
I told them I'm gonna take thistest.

Speaker 2 (01:08:04):
And then I took the test and I was like well, dang,
it makes a lot of sense now,yeah, and it just be it
snowballed to where like and Isent you my results, lexi.
So if you're interested intaking the test yourself, you
might learn a thing or two.

Speaker 3 (01:08:21):
The thing is, it's not even a sexual thing.
Some things you were justlearning about yourself, Like I,
ended up getting a 91% voyeur.
You know what I mean.
Like you know, likes to watch.

Speaker 4 (01:08:35):
I know what a voyeur is, you know, likes to watch.
Yeah, I know what a boy he is.

Speaker 3 (01:08:39):
And so I realized just even in my every day when
I'm on youtube I like to watchpeople react to movies, so I'm
like all day.
And then I got really high andum sub.
And it was so funny because Iwas talking to them one day
about we have this other friend,that's really big, she has a
great big personality.

(01:09:00):
And I was telling them don'tworry, I'll get quiet because I
don't want to fight with peopleover control for attention, I'll
just let them have it.
And I'm going through it and Iwas like, damn, that's such a
sub thing to say so now we alltease each other when we do

(01:09:22):
something.

Speaker 2 (01:09:22):
Yeah, but we do something, that's like you know.
But I understood like even inmy everyday life it's like, man,
you're not a bitch, you're justa brat you're right.

Speaker 3 (01:09:33):
It's so funny because I'm surrounded by brats and I
got 0% brat, so I'm not a bratat all, but what I am is also a
brat trainer.
I have a little brat trainer inme and I have a little switch.
So it's a trip because I'lldeal with them.
And so I'll be like yes, yes,yes.

(01:09:53):
And then there comes a pointwhere I'm like Sarah do such and
such and such.
She'll be like well damn,that's the switch in you coming
out.
I'm like I'm sorry, I'm sorry,it happens sometimes.

Speaker 1 (01:10:04):
A little, oh, my goodness.

Speaker 2 (01:10:09):
It's funny, we all just tease each other.

Speaker 3 (01:10:11):
We just tease each other all the time.
It's really a lot of fun, but Irealize that a lot of Sarah's
FMCs are brides.
They are when they deal withthey're brides and I'm like
that's just like, can youbelieve?
And we were like yeah, yeah, wecan't believe.

(01:10:32):
Yeah, we can't believe.

Speaker 2 (01:10:33):
oh, my goodness, I know.
I, for I learned a lot aboutmyself and and it is nice to
have that friend group where youcan like authentically be
yourself and you don't have tolike hide who you are, you know,
or maybe because, like, Iwasn't necessarily hiding, I
think I just didn't understand alot of like, maybe, my

(01:10:54):
personality, you know and howthat that would come across and
like why I would say things ordo things or whatever.
And now they call me out on itevery time, every single time,
like like a few days ago when Ifound out that there was a group
chat that I wasn't a part of.
Oh my god, okay, so first ofall in our group.

Speaker 3 (01:11:15):
So in our group there is six of us, but I know that
we all kind of you know how youend up breaking off and you're
like, oh, we need to talk aboutthis.
We go over here to this groupchat and we'll talk about it,
and then we need to talk aboutthis.
Well, it's seven, I think, nowand we'll talk about this group
chat, and so that's even likelast night.

(01:11:37):
we had a girls chat that wasgoing on while I was in two
different chats, while we werein another chat with this one
guy yeah and that's so.
We're talking about thesituation going on and then
sometimes it spills over,because it will say things like.
I will say things all out.
I'll just be like no, and theperson who messaged will know

(01:11:59):
what I'm talking about.
But everybody else would belike what are you talking about?

Speaker 1 (01:12:03):
yeah, absolutely not did everybody meet on book talk
and just kind of form together?
Yeah yeah, I freaking love book.
Like book talk can be like thebest thing when it's good, like
it's like one of those thingswhen it's good, it's good.

Speaker 3 (01:12:20):
And then of course you know yeah, and I love our
diverse group because you haveyour narrators, you have your
readers and you have yournarrators.
So we have narrators that geton and they do.

Speaker 2 (01:12:35):
You know, they do they, we know they're fun and
everything you know, yeah, likeI think I sent you that poem and
one of the one of the womennarrators um you did yeah, yeah,
one of the women narrators andwe all do our best to support
each other.
I mean, um, I used to be realdeep into poetry and I broke off

(01:12:55):
, I stopped, you know, writingall together and then when I got
back into writing, it was books.
And now I'm starting to getback into poetry and so, um, you
know the narrator, so be like,well, I'll read your poem or
I'll read your poem, and so,like, you know, we all kind of
like it's like we're scratchingeach other's backs, you know
like.
I give you pieces to narrate,you get it out there and you
know, you bring my piece to lifeand I get to see that and

(01:13:18):
everything and um, and it hitsso different like it's one thing
to write it down on like apiece of paper, but it's a whole
nother thing to see it broughtto life.

Speaker 3 (01:13:26):
It's, I think about it what I love about this is
never anyone's taking advantageof each other, so even that when
she's saying I'll do that.
So then we all discuss moneywith each other about different
things, and I love when we havethose times that we're saying
okay, well, give me this so Ican send you money, and they're

(01:13:46):
like no, and we're like what doyou mean?

Speaker 4 (01:13:49):
no, no, you're gonna give me that no.

Speaker 3 (01:13:53):
And they're like yeah , no, I'm not going to.
And they're like but you are,and so we fight over we
literally fight.
Yeah, you don't need to give me.
I think one time I did.
I was like, hey, because one ofour narrators, he also plays a
guitar and he's going on liveand we've been.
We were encouraging him.
You know, ask for it becauseyou are good.
So if people want requests,tell them, send you something to

(01:14:21):
your, get them used to doing it.
So I was like, hey, can yousing the song?
Um, and I sent him the song andI was like and give me your
cash out?
And then he responds and goes,oh yeah, I'll do that song and I
love that song.
And I'm like, okay, that'swonderful, give me your cash out
right.

Speaker 2 (01:14:35):
But he didn't real.
But she they did.
She didn't realize I had thiscash app.

Speaker 3 (01:14:38):
Yeah, he kept going, I want it.
He kept like ignoring the cashapp, part yeah and so, finally,
sarah is on the phone with meand she goes.
I have this cash app and I go.

Speaker 2 (01:14:52):
Never mind, I got it we all try I mean we try our
hardest to support each other,and sometimes that means money
and sometimes it means makingvideos and reposting and you
know, going over into like bookgroups and like you know posting
your work and and things likethat.
But our network is so it's sosupportive.

(01:15:16):
Like we have a woman on TikTok.
Tiktok, um, her, her tiktokhandle is nugget and thorn
nugget and thorn something.
there's like something at theend that I can never remember
and she gets like she has theseevents where she gets the
narrators and the authorstogether for like little snippet
pieces, so she just did a24-hour.
Uh, tiktok, um live TikTok liveTikTok where narrators and

(01:15:40):
authors.
It was a huge undertaking.
Narrators and authors gottogether and got to hear their
work spoken, and then all thegifts there was like giveaways,
there was donations.
She did this for charity andshe's going to be doing another
event for Halloween, and so I'mgoing to be writing a Halloween
like a Halloween piece that'sgoing to be narrated as well,

(01:16:02):
and then I think she's going tobe doing another one for
Christmas, yeah, and then she'sactually hosting a convention in
2026 called Nugget Con, sowe're all going to be going to
Florida.
I've already put my depositdown on a table and, as far as I
know, that's going to be myfirst book signing is in Florida
in 2026.

(01:16:23):
Oh, snap, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:16:25):
Yeah, but next year.

Speaker 2 (01:16:27):
But next year we me and Jess and Ashley have been
planning a sort of like abookish retreat where we all
kind of get to meet each otherand we're trying we're thinking
about trying to get into somebookshops do some signings, if
that works out, but we're tryingto plan that for next year you
guys should look at the bookhotel.

Speaker 1 (01:16:44):
Have you heard of the book hotel?
No, uh-uh, you have to go.
They're on instagram andthey're on tiktok.
I'm gonna tag you in it andit's like a little um.
It almost looks like a b&b, abed and breakfast, and it's like
book inspired.
The rooms are, um, I want, isit in, is it in tennessee or is

(01:17:08):
it in pittsburgh?
It's in tennessee or pittsburgh?
I had screenshotted because Itold my wife.
I said I'm gonna send it to mywife and ask her for a little
retreat there so I can do somecontent and stuff there, or she
can, of course, she can comewith me, but it's so freaking
cute but it's like a book hotel,like a book little B&B.

Speaker 2 (01:17:27):
I know you said you're gonna, you're gonna send
this to me, but I'm gonna writeit down too.
Yes, so anyway, that was likemy little way of inviting you if
you want to come next year yeah, no pressure no pressure, but
we're just all going to.
Okay, so it is, if you want tocome next year.

Speaker 3 (01:17:41):
No pressure, no pressure, we're just all going
to.
Okay, so it is a bookishretreat, but really it is our
chance.
Well, some of us only live 45minutes away from each other, so
they see each other.
I'm not bitter at all aboutthat.
Not at all.
I hope they see this and theyknow that I am bitter about it
because they keep bringing it up.

Speaker 1 (01:17:59):
Because they keep bringing it up?

Speaker 3 (01:18:00):
They keep bringing it up every 15 minutes and they
only have 35 minutes to wait forme.

Speaker 2 (01:18:05):
Some of us are salty that some of us get to meet each
other before other people yeah,now, when Jess asked me to come
upthere, yeah.
And when Jess asked me to comeup there maybe to see her, I was
like, oh, 11 hours away, Ithink I could do that in the car
.
And jess is like no, you can't,no, you're not gonna go see her
.
I was like, well damn, I wasgonna say I don't know why I

(01:18:36):
keep thinking you live inTennessee, girl.
I'm about to say I think you'resuper close to me, I can come
see you, but nah, you live inLouisiana.

Speaker 3 (01:18:46):
Where are you?

Speaker 2 (01:18:47):
Sarah, st Louis.

Speaker 1 (01:18:49):
St Louis.
I've drove to St Louis before.
Oh, that's another story,that's a trip.
All those little drops andthose.

Speaker 2 (01:19:07):
Oh yeah, that sounds horrible.
Yeah, no, so the curbs thecountry going to be it.

Speaker 3 (01:19:11):
Next year will really be a chance for us all getting
together in person and act theway we act.
That's why, if you see us andwe're talking about and we're
acting crazy, this is the way weare now.
Like sarah was saying, it's notso much that you can't be
yourself, it's just you'reunfiltered.
You know that part can beunfiltered.

(01:19:33):
I don't have to say hey, if Isay this will people get upset,
which also kind of spills overinto our everyday world.
Because someone asked me hey,have you had something delicious
to eat on?
And I paused, have you hadsomething delicious to eat?
And I paused and I was on thecall with them and I say, see, I

(01:19:57):
know how I would answer it ifit was y'all and I was like but
I can't answer it like that withthis person Because we were
like, girl, I tell someone, ifeverybody ever got a hold of our
messages, they would be likewhat is wrong?

Speaker 2 (01:20:19):
They were like what is wrong with them?
We would be in.
So, oh my god.

Speaker 1 (01:20:23):
That's why I say I keep my real world people from
my book world people because ifyou, if people, if someone wants
to tell you about me in realworld, they'll be like well, the
people who don't really know me, who me being passing or some
clients they'll be like oh,she's so quiet you never know
she's in a room.
She's always on her phone.
I'm always on my phone reading.
People just assume that I'mdoing business, but I be on my
phone reading.

Speaker 2 (01:20:41):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:20:43):
But the people who know me know I have like no
filter, like you literally neverknow like what's going to come
out my mouth.

Speaker 2 (01:20:47):
Yeah, right, right.
You got to watch out for usquiet girls.
They would never Not with you.
Not with you, but in my reallife.
I'm like I am, I'm shy, I'm like, really, just like I keep to
myself, you know, so it's allgood.

(01:21:08):
My mom just sent me a she I gotso confused and scared.
You know how mom I got so good.
She said you're going to jailand I was like, oh, going to

(01:21:35):
jail.
And I was like, oh, my mom isso funny, my mom is so funny.
But moms can give you thatpanic can't they?

Speaker 3 (01:21:39):
yes, of course, of course they can.
That's a good job man.

Speaker 1 (01:21:42):
My mama told me when she had messaged me and she was
like hey, I found you on TikTokand I was like which one?
She was like you got more thanone.

Speaker 2 (01:21:48):
I said well, which one did you find me on?

Speaker 1 (01:22:00):
So she found me on my other one.
So when I went and looked ather name, when I went and seen
her, I accepted her on my AlexisShireel, my business, my spa
one, but on my Alexis Twin LinesI went and blocked her.

Speaker 3 (01:22:08):
You blocked her, yeah girl I learned how to block.
My godmother is following me onmy other six sides.
You know, and I call that myfamily page.
You know I talk about my kids.
You might see my kids.
You know what I mean, but whenI get over on my book talk page

(01:22:31):
it's thirst traps.

Speaker 2 (01:22:33):
She's doing the 30, is it 30 or 31?
Thirst traps of September.

Speaker 3 (01:22:38):
I'm just going to call it thirst traps of
september.
Now I'm just gonna call itseptember, uh, thirst trap
september, because I have, I hadgotten all these thirst traps
and what I noticed is, when Ireact to them because I have
that quick wit on the on thething people like them.
Yeah.
So I was like, since I have allthese thirst traps, I'm just

(01:23:01):
going to spend all Septemberreacting to them.

Speaker 2 (01:23:05):
Girl, she got some good ones too.
She got some good ones.

Speaker 1 (01:23:11):
I'm going to have to go and watch.

Speaker 3 (01:23:12):
Girl, you should.
I sent them to one of myfriends and she was like girl.
She said how do you think?
I said I don know, I thoughtthey would just turn on the
camera.
They were juggling because theywere like they watched me make
a tiktok, like I put them on myipad and I have my phone set up
with my ring light and they satthere and watched me just do it

(01:23:34):
like that.
And they were like how do youdo that?
I said because I don't carewhat comes out of my mouth when
I'm on TikTok what they gonna donothing, not a.

Speaker 1 (01:23:42):
Thing but filter you sometimes.
Sometimes TikTok be hating andthey will filter you.

Speaker 3 (01:23:48):
That's why I use TikTok appropriate words and I
found ways around it.
Oh yeah, sarah laughed at mewhen I was like if he's gifted?

Speaker 1 (01:23:58):
and she was like no, you didn't say gifted.

Speaker 3 (01:24:01):
I was like well, I was trying to think and that was
the best word.
But that is also why, when mygodmother found that page, I was
like block, block, block.
You can't be on this page no,you can't be on my bookshelf
because I don't filter myselfhere, I don't I just I go for it
if it looks.

(01:24:21):
If you put one of them, the guyput a.
You know he did the and I waslike if you need a neck for that
necklace, I volunteer a tributeoh my goodness, oh my goodness,
volunteerist, volunteerist,tribute volunteer to tribute,
volunteer to tribute.

(01:24:41):
You need a neck for thatnecklace.
I got one right here.

Speaker 2 (01:24:45):
There, it is right there oh my goodness, her
tiktoks are so much fun I don'tdo tiktoks like that.
But I I you know, I try, butI'm not near as confident yet
it's actually.

Speaker 1 (01:24:58):
where can we find these TikToks?

Speaker 3 (01:24:59):
Give us the info All right, my TikTok name is
A-Mazing, which is just my name.
So my name is Ashley Mays andwe were joking around one day
and I was like Ashley Mays,a-maze, and so I just put A-Maze
and then I-N-G.
Reader 85.
So A-Mazing, reader 85.
So, amazing, reader 85.

(01:25:20):
You'll find me on TikTok andyou will see all the craziness.
That is me.
It is one take.
You might hear me stumble overwords.
I will take pauses, especiallywhen I'm trying to describe
things in books and, like yousaid, be TikTok appropriate.
I have used things because,because you know, I've been

(01:25:42):
trying to figure stuff out.
Girl, if I don't understand it,I don't understand it.
So I get on there.
I'm like, hey, y'all, I don'tunderstand this, explain this to
me.
And people like, oh, I gottaanswer this.
I'm like, do you, though?
Because I don't think you do,so this is just my personality,
which is ironic because, likeeveryone says, I'm not quiet.
Like if you met me just on thestreet, I would sit back and let
you talk.

(01:26:02):
I would sit back and let you.
You know what I mean.
But when I turn on that cameraand I press record.
You get this.

Speaker 2 (01:26:11):
That's what you get she a whole.
She a whole different beast.
Yeah, a whole different beast.
And you can find me at skpresley.

Speaker 3 (01:26:19):
Author on tiktok and instagram and facebook yeah, and
the funny thing is, if you findone of us, just go in the
comments and you'll find theother one you'll find the whole
tribe.

Speaker 2 (01:26:30):
You'll find the whole .
Yeah, you'll find all nine, ten.
I don't even know how many ofus now, yeah, just go through
the thing.

Speaker 3 (01:26:37):
And then, oh, presley , land on discord.
If you are joining, you join,press the line on discord and we
keep it popping over there.
You know, with our songs of thedays and our and our uh selfie
brags and our we have a goodtime yeah.
I know we have fun over there,yeah, so.

Speaker 2 (01:27:02):
It's ran by a pretty stringent, amazing PA, but she
keeps us all in line over there.

Speaker 3 (01:27:07):
Even though it's my server, I gotta go underneath,
jess, I'm not even she the mainone and we all try to test her
because I do.
You'll see things that shouldbe like really, really like in
our song of the day.
It's one song per day becausewe didn't want people to flatten
it out, spam it, yeah, and Iwas like I'll do things like

(01:27:29):
well, technically it's 4am inLondon, so I'm going to get this
song up so I can put this songup and it'll get deleted.

Speaker 2 (01:27:39):
It'll get deleted.
You can put it up, it'll getdeleted though it'll get deleted
and she's not playing.

Speaker 3 (01:27:45):
She doesn't play.

Speaker 1 (01:27:46):
That's why we have just said that's why we have
just said yeah, you said, nowit's gonna be I hate that she
couldn't join us today.

Speaker 2 (01:27:55):
I know I know she was .
She wasn't happy about that.

Speaker 1 (01:27:58):
Trust me, we're going to have to do another one and
bring her back.
We can.

Speaker 2 (01:28:04):
One where I'm not choking half the death at the
beginning.

Speaker 3 (01:28:08):
I'm not even going to comment on that.
I'm not walking through thatdoor.
Come on, Ashley.
No, I'm not.
I promise to be a good.
Chris is the one that walksthrough doors.
I don't have to walk throughevery door.

Speaker 2 (01:28:20):
I know it.
But you guys, I'm going to haveto call it quits.
It's been fun though it has.

Speaker 1 (01:28:26):
I thank you guys for joining us and for joining me
and coming today.
Thank you, thank you for havingme.
You are welcome until next time.
We hope that you subscribe andthat you follow and make sure
that you are following SKPresley and Amazing Reader 85.
Yeah, and until next time, bye.
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