July 14, 2025 • 34 mins
Brian Fitzherbert, president of Liberty and Prosperity, joins Anne Baker on the radio for 'Fitzherbert Friday'. They discuss a 'rogue' spinoff young republicans club that has popped up inexplicably when there is already a vibrant Atlantic County Young Republicans club that's been around for years. Part A.
Brian Fitzherbert, president of Liberty and Prosperity, joins Anne Baker on the radio for 'Fitzherbert Friday'. In this segment Brian and Anne discuss the big, beautiful bill, Trump's winning for America, and immigration enforcement. Part B
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Anyway, good morning, everyone. This is Anne Baker
on Talking with Anne, and I'm with Brian
Fitzherbert on on Fitzherbert Friday.
And we are here to do,
some, talking about what's happening in the world
today. But, Brian, I I have a question
I have to ask you. Sure.
I saw this notice on Facebook, an invitation
for the Atlantic County Young Republican Club. Yeah.
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And and I wondered whether it was
the official
Atlanta County Young Republican Club who who is
putting this this on.
And so,
I'm I'm proffering that to you because I
didn't get my invitation,
and I'm really ticked.
Yeah. So, unfortunately, this is,
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a repeat of what happened a few months
ago
where,
the current management of the Republican Party here
in Atlanta County are ignoring existing charters, existing,
rules, whatever you wanna call them. Existing already
Atlanta County Young Republicans that I chair that
is chartered with the Young Republican Federation of
New Jersey.
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That's also chartered with the Young Republican National
Federation. We have the legal charter, etcetera.
And, obviously, this spat came about out of
left field
where,
literally, they announced
at a I think it was at the
Lincoln dinner that they were forming a new
organization,
that was gonna be separate from the existing
one, and that they would make and this
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was after ours had already been announced where
we do our annual Republican women event. It
was the fourth annual Republican women event, and
they had a, they had their own event
the day before, caused a lot of confusion.
I got so many text messages, emails, and
phone calls. I felt like I was a
candidate again trying to explain,
nope. This is something else. This is different.
And it looks like there is more escalation
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because of what you just referred to. I've
been getting messages about constantly.
Is is this you? And it's not because,
again, we do our summer bash every year.
We've done it. This will be the eighth
year that we're doing it. We always do
it at the August.
It's my backyard. We have speakers from all
across the state that come down and speak,
and we usually have about a 100 or
so people come out,
pending weather. We've been good. I think, six
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out of the seven years so far, we've
done it, has been positive.
And,
unfortunately, it just creates more confusion. And now
it's been escalated because not only the last
time they referred to themselves as the Atlanta
County Young Republican Committee, they've now dropped the
name committee, which is unfortunate,
since we have the legal name to that
from incorporation
standpoint,
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as well as now they're selling tickets. So,
unfortunately, this is gonna have to be dealt
with.
The escalation will be met with escalation. That's
just unfortunate. We're all on team Republican. We're
all moving in the same direction. We shouldn't
be doing things that would,
distract or create,
division
when we're trying to get Jack Trierley elected
in November. And so it's very unfortunate,
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and that's why, you know, I wouldn't refer
to
leadership because there isn't a leadership, the current
management, and how things are being done right
now. It's unfortunate and the instigators behind this
are just unfortunately very sad, unfortunately,
socially awkward people,
that want to be someone, be something.
And again, I think it's great whenever young
people wanna get involved, but when they have
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to make a choice because they don't understand,
okay, do I join the actual sanctioned one
that connects to the state YRs and the
national YRs that can give training and opportunity
and recruitment and get access to a lot
of tools and education, or do I wanna
focus on what's going on in the local
party? And it creates this confusion and division
that doesn't stop, unfortunately.
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And, again, you know, we're all on team
Republican. We can all be pushing in the
same direction, but, unfortunately, there's plenty of people
have chosen not to do
that. Yeah. That that,
that sounds like family squabbles. And you know
what? The only way to to get beyond
that is to come together. Yeah. And I
don't understand
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if, in fact, this other,
I I don't know whether you'd call illegal,
setting
that they've got using a name which is
not theirs to use,
if they would only,
come together.
I mean, can you imagine
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what a phenomenally
wonderful
Atlanta County Young Republican Club you would have
if everyone,
that has always gone to your events,
everyone who understands that you've been the head
of this
would come together, and and you can figure
out
leadership positions Yeah. I mean in any organization.
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Oh, yeah. Do it the normal political way.
You know, join as a member, form coalitions,
form your candidates,
and put yourselves out there to be voted
on by the club members. I mean, that's
what politics
is. And the fact that there's either a
fear or a resistance to do that is
is just something else. And again, remember,
when this was a fit formed back in
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2018, I was asked to go do all
the necessary,
steps and requirements to get this. I was
asked to go form on this group by
the previous,
leadership of the Landon County Republican,
organization, which I did. And that meant making
sure you get
necessary requirements, everything legally set aside, put together
to charter with the state wires, and then
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making sure everything gets set so that the
state charter can be coordinated with the national
wires. I mean, a lot of administrative stuff.
So I I set all that stuff up,
and we've had some we've had some good
years. We've had some bad years. All those
kinds of things in terms of, getting out
and getting
access. But I mean, we did wire deployments.
We were able to coordinate with the National
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Young Republican
Federation to have a deployment back in 2019
where they sent wires from Connecticut, Maryland, Pennsylvania,
Massachusetts,
all nearby New York to come down and
hit doors for who was then candidates Mike
Testa, Antoine McCollum, and Eric Simonson and having
those kinds of relationships to make those things
happen and and push in the right direction.
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So it's unfortunate. It is what it is.
It looks like this is how things are
gonna be for for the foreseeable future and
not in unity when again,
the goal here is to win elections. The
goal here is to get Jack Ciattarelli elected
governor so that we never have to hear
the words of governor Cheryl.
And, unfortunately,
when people may not say things on social
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media, they may not comment, but the amount
of conversations
and,
discussions behind the scenes and again, I don't
have time for this. I I really don't.
But I'll answer questions when people,
reach out to me, which is heavily frequent.
And it it is what it is. It's
just unfortunate, and that's where we are. Yeah.
You know, we we talk about a unified
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party,
but may I suggest that our senator get
involved
and, bring mister Purdy to the table,
together with the people that he, mister Purdy,
has appointed,
that he shouldn't have and that a,
a little bit of a a sit down,
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take place so the conversation can be had
so that you and,
the young lady who, mister Purdy, I believe,
placed in in this position of a new,
young Republican club,
that you actually get together because you could
probably
this could be a symbiotic relationship
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which would
encourage,
people, young Republicans to join,
to be part of an organization
that is,
inspirational.
And the fact that, that mister Purdy doesn't
doesn't seem to think that inspiration
is something that he wants associated with his
name,
is sad.
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But perhaps our, our senator, Vince Paulistina, and
maybe our assembly people can begin to talk
about,
bringing the party together because this is the
Young Republican Club.
These are the people who will be voting
for the next thirty or forty years.
You want them to feel
like
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they are all part of the same
motion forward, that they are fiscal conservatives, that
they have the the best outlook for their
communities in mind with everything that they do.
And the fact that they are in fact
splitting the party
shows that that they don't understand
what party unity is all about. And the
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sooner that they come to the table, I
mean, it doesn't matter who's in charge of
anything as long as you're unified,
as long as it's acceptable.
Power,
believe me, power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
And if that's what we're seeing,
then the Republican Party may very well be,
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corrupting itself to the point where people are
gonna say, why should I wanna join this
this organization,
this party?
They are they're they're out of control. They
don't know what they're doing, and they don't
know how to be unified.
Yeah. Look. I'm always up for communications and
and all of that stuff. And, again, to
your point, this is this is this is
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unfortunately where we are when
individuals make decisions. I mean, it's hard enough,
right, to get young people involved.
You know, I got invited to go speak
with the Stockton College Republicans, and we were
I was there for, I think, two and
a half hours, talking with their with their
college Republicans club there and talking about some
of the challenges issues of just getting people
engaged, involved as a young person because you
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have family relationships, you have friends and social
circles, you have your professional
wife. Do you want that impact and do
you want that impact from a social media
standpoint? So it's very hard to get people
engaged and most people on average don't actually
get engaged in in political parties until after
the kids have gone off to,
college or When they have time. When they
have time, when they've left the house. So
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it's unfortunate. It is what it is. And,
you know, hopefully, we can all just push
in the same direction. So that's I hope
so. What I'll say on that. I hope
so too. I I think we've we've probably
heard,
heard enough about party unity, but we need
it. We need it here in Atlanta County,
and our,
political bigwigs need to get
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And I was a darn good dancer.
My husband would be on the floor rolling
right now if he if he's listening. He'll
say,
oh, right.
I'm like Elaine.
I I won't ask what decade that was.
I'll be Thank you.
Respectful. I'm like Elaine in, Seinfeld
when she would dance.
I mean,
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you
you know? It's one of the it's one
of the funniest shows when she's out there
and she's dancing. I I just, you know,
you move to the music. You just
if you love what you're listening to. Our
president does. I mean, he's got I know
it. He's got some great dance moves. And
he's got every he's got every reason to
be,
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excited and,
just celebrating because the guy just keeps racking
up wins. He just keeps racking up wins
legislatively.
I mean, he got this done in six
months
to pass the one big beautiful bill, make
sure tax cuts are extended, make sure you
got $48,000,000,000
to finish the wall. It's like an afterthought.
Deportations
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so that homing can get up to a
seven to 8,000
per day number which would get to your
20,000,000 illegals deported.
You know, the defense budget to basically start
this development if it hasn't already again. I
I don't know. We've got it. So
all this stuff, I mean, from a legislative
standpoint, he surpassed Biden. He surpassed,
himself in 2017 because remember they tried to
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do Obamacare repeal by midsummer and it failed
because of John McCain. And then they wound
up doing the tax cuts at the end
of the year and then Obama even before
that they didn't get Obamacare passed until the
following year.
So Trump's on a contradictory. There's no there's
no comment that you could say he's a
lame duck president, which is ironic because a
lot of people
remember, there's a lot of people that were
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DeSantis people and they were buying into this
byline. But again, who cares who you supported
in a primary, unite, become Republican, support the
guy. Obviously, it's Donald Trump. This is the
Trump show for the next four years. And
truthfully, when you look at the other side,
you look at the Democrats, they're in such
disarray because you can't even ask AI, Chatbot,
whoever,
what could be a candidate for the Democrats
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that could have
positions that the American populace, 51%, would get
on board for. When they're around with Abrego
Garcia,
Maryland man instead of actually trying to go
gangbanger,
all these things you can't even say. And
again, now now we're seeing
sunny.
Exactly. And we can get to that. But
think about this. I've said this. I'm getting
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so excited because it's literally the first time
in my lifetime of nearly four decades of
living that the majority
of Americans
sing like,
significant poll after significant poll saying deport
all legal immigrants, not just the criminals, not
just the rapists, not just all the people
that quote, unquote committed secondary crimes. It's literally
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all and now it's 63.1.
Wow. That that's your super majority. That means
Trump's mandate is working. It means that his
view and his vision for The United States
is on par. And now he's got the
tools, now he's got the funding for Homan
and Noam to do all this stuff
over the next three and a half years.
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And hopefully as it as it stands. I
mean, if I had my money on,
a team to take over for Trump, it's
probably gonna be JD Vance Rubio would be
the ticket because it's it's just a natural
as and it's
assuming JD doesn't pull an h w and
screw up because again, remember, h w could
have just
put it on cruise control with what Reagan
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did, but no, he had to make deals
with Democrats, read my lips, no new taxes
and then went and passed new taxes And
then Ross Perot got in, got 18% of
vote, and then this no name guy from
Arkansas,
Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton in tow got
elected president.
And we would have never heard of the
Clintons if HW hadn't done that. So, again,
hopefully, these guys learn and even even so,
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if it's JD, if it's Rubio, if it's
DeSantis, any one of those guys,
I think we've got a good good potential
twelve year twelve year run while the Democrats
continuously,
immolate themselves and and self destruct on the
national stage. Yeah. On the statewide
basis,
obviously, we we've still got some challenges, and
we gotta get that done. I think we
need to remind people about what happened with
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Ross Perot when he entered into the presidential
race and took him. You know, it it
it splits the party. It takes away votes
from the strongest candidate, and,
people do it for whatever the reason, you
know,
a friendship,
a kinship because of,
how they feel about the party and and
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what's going on. But Sometimes it's accountability.
Oh, it's it it it it is. People
but people
pick and choose the issues that they want
to either hang you on the
or or whether they want to make you
king.
They choose their issues based on that. And
sometimes in fact, when we come back, we're
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gonna be taking a break soon, and I
think we're gonna need more talk about the
big beautiful bill
and how many people
are still thinking
that Medicaid cuts are going to take money
away
from children who need it, from
people who are unable,
literally disabled, unable to work, that it's going
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to take money from them.
And people need to hear the truth,
which they're not hearing from the Democrat party.
The Democrat party is pushing nothing
but lies,
absolute
lies,
hoping to get people to look at them
again
in
a a a much better way than they
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have looked at Democrats in a very long
period of time. But this is this is
a disgrace,
what's happening. It it is. And, again, this
is all the Democrats have, the media have
because Trump just keeps racking the winds up.
And they know and they know that he's
got the political capital, and they they don't
know what to do. They have no leader.
They have no issue to even run on
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and they tried to convince the Republicans to
implode their own bill to have tax increases
go up significantly. The largest tax increase if
these expired at the end of the year.
Mhmm. So we can go line by line
when we get back with regard to that
because,
it's 900 pages, and if you're on an
airplane, you have time to read it. You've
been on an airplane recently. Okay. It is
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what it is.
Anyway, this is Anne Baker
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Yeah.
Wouldn't it be nice?
Wouldn't
it be nice? And I'm here with Brian,
and, we are talking about, boy, wouldn't it
be great to have unity?
You know? Yeah. Well, we got unity for
the one big beautiful bill that no one
thought was gonna happen. And actually, that's kinda
what I where where I wanna start because
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in the senate, JD Vance was called as
vice president. He's the president of senate to
come down and cast tie breaking vote. Remember,
Republicans have a fifty three forty seven majority
in the senate. That means three senators decided
not to vote for this. And what's sadly
ironic
is that the three senators,
Susan Collins up in Maine, no shock. Uh-huh.
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Tillis in North Carolina was was a little
bit of a shock and now he's retiring
because he knows that he's,
Yeah. He's not gonna have Trump support. And
then Lisa Murkowski
actually voted for it. Rand Paul from Kentucky
did not vote for it. And now
I'm gonna go into conservative, like, blow my
brains out type of, minutia here. Rand Paul's
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biggest concern was that there wasn't any cuts
and that the debt ceiling was being erased,
I e, my credit card limit for the
United States government. He had an issue with
that, and he had an issue with the
amount of spending that was in the one
bigger beautiful bill, which is why he didn't
vote for it. So then the Republicans had
a math problem. Okay. Susan Collins obviously is
usually never gonna vote for these kinds of
things because of those She's a liberal with
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a liberal,
population.
With the with the Medicare stuff, which we'll
talk Medicaid stuff, which we'll talk about. And
Tillis was out of left field, but, again,
he focused on the on the Medicaid stuff.
But, again, Rand Paul
was all about having issues with spending. So
then the math problem persists, how do you
get to 50? Okay. You gotta go to
Lisa Murkowski. Lisa Murkowski, say what you want
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about her. She is a liberal republican, but
she knows how to wheel and deal to
get things for Alaska. And as a result
of getting Lisa Murkowski's vote, meaning the fiftieth
vote,
they had to raise the fund for for
all this stuff to 50,000,000,000
for Medicaid,
bailouts from the states, etcetera. So by getting
Lisa Murkowski's
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vote instead of Rand Paul's,
more money was spent in the bill. So
if Rand Paul had actually voted for it
before they went to Lisa Murkowski,
it would have been a better bill and
less money being spent. But as a result
of him
not supporting it, it actually increased the spending
of the bill so they could get Lisa
Murkowski. In Alaska. In Alaska. Yeah. So from
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an from
a minutia standpoint,
that's a that was, you know, no bill's
perfect. Right? And, unfortunately, Rand Paul, I guess,
didn't see the irony of him saying no.
Okay. What are the what is Republican leadership
gonna do? They're gonna go find that fiftieth
vote. And as a result, they had to
spend more money
in the bill to get that vote from
Lisa Murkowski so that JD Vance could be
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the tiebreaker. So that's so that's kind of
the mechanics behind how that happened. It's unfortunate
because I get it. Rand Paul doesn't wanna
spend money. We've got deficit problems. We've got
debt problems, etcetera, which, you know We're never
gonna fix it. Okay? We're gonna so a
lot of this bill
remember, let's use the example of 2017.
CBO, Congressional Budget Office, they score these things
especially when you're doing budget reconciliation, which means
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you only need 51 votes in the senate,
not 60,
to cut off filibuster and debate. So what
happened? 2017
tax cuts, they said that this was gonna
quote unquote cost
$3,000,000,000,000
and that their growth estimates
were
were x y z. Turns out, CBO was
woefully wrong
by $3,000,000,000,000
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Meaning that because of the tax cuts being
incorporated,
the growth of the economy
paid for those quote, unquote tax cuts as
was the Trump vision
that when you grow the economy, you're growing
the pie to actually cover quote, unquote CBO
costs. Now this time around, CBO tried the
same thing again, said this is gonna cost
$4,000,000,000,000.
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But what's ironic about this is
because it's congress, it's legislative, it doesn't take
into account
tariff revenue, which Scott Besson has said as
treasury secretary that through the first six months,
we've brought in $300,000,000,000
in additional tariff revenue that we didn't have
a year ago as a result of these
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tariff negotiations Trump is doing, which goes right
into the treasury.
So you have all these things going on,
which means the likelihood of the CBO
scoring this tax cut bill
is probably wrong too because it also is
going to assume growth that will expand over
that period of time that will quote unquote
pay for it again. I don't agree with
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this mentality at the media and the left
says that tax cuts are gonna cost money.
No. You spend less and you take in
less revenue.
They believe as Democrats that all means of
production, meaning the money that you make
is theirs and they give you back what
they believe is enough for you. Whereas Republicans
believe, conservatives believe, whatever you make is yours
and you make your little donation to the
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treasury as in the form of taxes. That's
the biggest difference.
So tie this all together
from a tax cut standpoint and from a
growth standpoint, this is gonna be like rocket
fuel come September.
After all this, everyone gets back in the
same routine, kids are back in school, people
are paying attention again, people are adjusting to
the new law
of more tax cuts, additional things that have
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happened from that piece. So it's it was
a three pronged. Right? You had tax cuts,
you had,
immigration, border security, and then you had the
defense related stuff, and then we'll talk about
the Medicaid stuff. But all of that means
that, again, the CBO is woefully,
woefully
wrong when it comes to scoring
any kind of cost, quote, unquote,
or loss of revenue? Because, again, you go
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back to 2017,
you look at government revenues, guess what? They
all significantly increased because, Laffer curve, the lower
the taxes, the higher the revenue.
Well,
this is this is a question that I
I don't know whether it's even answerable. I
know that Bill Clinton had a balanced budget.
Yeah.
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Is there a possibility
that
Donald Trump
and,
his warriors in Doge as well
as those who really are fiscal conservatives. Is
there a chance in hell
that with AI, with our power needs that
are going to be multiplied
exponentially,
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that we're ever gonna be able to get
a balanced budget again? Okay. So great question,
and I think the answer is maybe.
And I'll I'll explain that. So there's the
debt and there's the deficit.
The debt is our accumulated.
Right? It's $36,000,000,000,000.
It's it's basically year over year. In when
Clinton was in office, it was 6,000,000,000,000.
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When Bush left, it was 10,000,000,000,000. When Obama
left, it was 18,000,000,000,000.
When Trump left, I think it was, like,
24,000,000,000,000.
When Biden left, it was 33,000,000,000,000
or something. It's just exponential. Interest kills you.
Right? Because now the biggest,
the third biggest
cost for us is
the interest on the debt. So
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what Bill Clinton and Newt Gingrich were able
to do in the nineties was the annual
budget. Right? The deficit
to make it positive, meaning in an annual
year, let's say, '26
fiscal year to 2027. Right? It's September to
October, etcetera. September 30 is the last day
of the fiscal,
calendar. October 1 is the beginning, etcetera. So
October 1 to September 30 is your fiscal
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year for the federal government.
They could conceivably in that given year, if
they take in more revenue
than they are spending Even with tariffs.
Even with tariffs. Especially with tariffs. Especially with
actually, this is the biggest thing because, again,
like I said it with the CBO, they
don't count tariffs because it's not coming through
congressional. It's not legislative. It's coming through the
executive,
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and and the secretary of the treasury, etcetera.
So all that can be counted. So again,
to get a situation that Clinton was able
to do on paper, because remember, he counted
Social Security.
Social Security at that time, there was a
whole lot more people paying into them and
were taking out. And obviously after the Doge
efforts, and we've now seen that there are
people over the age of 120,
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not just on the rolls, but actually direct
deposit payments to people's bank accounts, which again,
you're gonna stop all that,
with what Besson's gonna do in the treasury,
that you cut all that fraud, waste, and
abuse. So if you have all this revenue
coming in, not just from tariffs,
not just from,
the growth of the economy as a result
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of people spending more of their money instead
of the government doing it through tax cuts,
through investment, all that kind of stuff, and
you cut back spending
via cutting fraud, waste, and abuse that we
can see clearly in Social Security, Medicaid, Medicare,
etcetera, which we'll talk about in a second.
All of that can get us to a
point of a,
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Semi balance. A balanced budget for a given
year, for a given fiscal year, and he
could do it a couple times. But, again,
this stuff, unfortunately,
look look at the resistance
Oh. That's been gone on with Doge. Now
this is one of the reasons Elon Musk
is kind of, you know, having his little
tantrum because,
he found a $175,000,000,000
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in doge cuts. Right? But you have to
incorporate them congressionally. This is why we have
house ways and means. You have to do
this through rescissions packages, which means you have
to get 218
members of the house. And in this case,
whether I don't think you can do this
through budget reconciliation.
Maybe you can. Fifty one fifty one or
60 in the senate to be able to
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pass this. You have to do this line
by line as a rescission.
So, ultimately,
the first one is, like, $9,000,000,000,
and they're struggling right now with that because
guess what? There's all these goodies in all
these districts that represent Democrats aren't gonna give
you votes because they don't care. They don't
wanna give Republicans a win. So you just
have to do this within your own caucus,
and I don't think Musk understands the realities
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of congress on how you have to actually
legislatively
cut this stuff. I wanna cut. Of course,
I do. But you can't just snap your
fingers. You have to do it. If there's
money that's been appropriated by congress and you're
not gonna spend it, you're gonna claw it
back, you have to do a recisions package.
That's that's what you have to do. So
all that taking into effect, yeah, we can
maybe get there.
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We're not gonna probably get there this fiscal
year. Yeah. But we could probably buy his
third or fourth year where we can we
can get there. Yeah.
Yep. I danced. Yes. I did. Anyway, this
is Anne Baker together with Brian Fitzherbert on
Fitzherbert Friday and talking with Anne. And, Brian,
we do have to get into this Medicaid.
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I was at a wonderful event last night,
Faces for Autism,
that literally is an organization
which which encompasses
families who have a child with autism
and who makes sure that the direction in
which their family is headed, their child is
headed, is a good one. And, they are
growing, and I hope that anyone who has
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the ability to, give them a donation will
do so. But we were at a place
last night, and
we spoke to someone who was just
so afraid of what was going to happen
with Medicaid because they were told by some
of the people, and I think that they're
all left wing, but some of the people,
who are taking care of these children that
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everything is going to be cut, that their
child is going to be losing the services
that they now have, that it will be
lessened.
And it's like
John talked to them and he said, look.
They're getting rid of all of the people
that have taken advantage of this agency and
this program
who weren't supposed to, who stole billions of
dollars.
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In fact, over time, trillions of dollars
from Medicaid.
So
you will not be cut. No child who
is in need of these services is going
to have anything cut.
Tell me if I'm right. Yeah. So this
is it's interesting because I spoke to a
lot of people who are not really engaged
in politics in the last few weeks about
this very topic.
And again, so fundamentally,
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lie. There is no cutting to Medicaid for
any of what you're describing. What they instituted
was work requirements or requirements in order if
you're gonna take from the wagon, you're gonna
have to pull the wagon. And what does
that actually mean? That if you are
18 years of age, able-bodied,
able to work,
you gotta work twenty hours to get these
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Medicaid
benefits. You can't get a job? You can
volunteer
for twenty hours a week. Church, community, whatever.
Don't wanna volunteer? Take training classes for twenty
hours a week. Can't get training classes?
Take any kind of education classes for twenty
hours a week.
You can't, I'm
sorry. All those are plausible and the easiest
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is volunteering
twenty hours a week and doing a time
sheet. It's not difficult.
And what that's going to do is not
only discourage
able-bodied because they're like, oh, I have to
do all this stuff with my time. I
might as well get an actual job if
I'm capable which you might get benefits from
your standpoint. Yeah. And even further that there
has to be requirements
of citizenship
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that at least
one if you if
you have to be able to prove that
you are a American citizen
to be able to get these benefits, which
again were all waived under the Biden administration
and Obama administrations so the legal immigrants could
take out Medicaid.
And again, now we're having this birthright citizenship
discussion that, again, when this is all said
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and done, the Supreme Court's gonna rule in
Trump's favor, and these individuals that are
subject to the jurisdiction thereof
of another country will not have citizenship here.
So going forward,
all this stuff will prevent any abuse, any
fraud that American citizens
only
will be able to qualify for Medicaid. Remember,
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Medicaid
is for, quote, unquote, for the poor, for
low income that can't afford health care. Medicare
is for those 65 and over. 65 and
over. So these lies that the left and
the media have said that they're cutting Medicaid,
that all these people are gonna lose their
insurance,
Lies. The only people who are gonna lose
insurance are people who should have never been
on it in the first place
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that are not American citizens,
that do not meet simple work requirements, which
again, Bill Clinton and Newt Gingrich put into
place in the nineties to prevent welfare
abuses, which led to, obviously, massive reform in
welfare. And it's not just Medicaid. It's the
same thing with SNAP, I e food stamps.
It's the same thing with WIC. You have
to be an American citizen. You are not
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going to suck off the teeth of the
American taxpayer
unless you are here lawfully
and that you can prove the fact that
you are lawful and that you are American
citizen. If you again,
you can self deport.
If you do it now, as Kristi Noem,
our secretary of Homeland Security, if you do
it now and get out, you can come
back in. You don't and we find you
and we deport you, you're not coming back
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in. And again, now Homan has the budget
and To do it. The guns and badges
to do this as part of the one
big beautiful bill to get deportations up to
7,000 a day, which will ultimately lead to
roughly 20,000,000 illegal immigrants deported in the next
three and a half years. Can you imagine
the amount of extra money that our government
will have that was given out during Joe
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Biden's terms?
The the trillion plus dollars it was given
out. Obama too. All the how many how
many times now that we've seen, not with
Doge observations
with regard to the cuts, right, Social Security
abuse, fraud waste and abuse, Medicaid fraud waste
and abuse, illegal immigrants taking benefits that ultimately
form higher costs for the rest of us.
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It impacts health care costs. They go to
a hospital, they don't pay. Guess what? In
the form of higher prices, we pay because
we can pay. Same thing with education, oversized
classrooms. You have to hire teachers as ESL,
English as a second language, all these things
that are costly. This is all gonna get
us right into a fiscally
responsible position,
and Trump's on a winning streak, and he's
gonna continue. Yes. So everyone out there who
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is so worried about someone who is disabled,
who is unable to work, that they're going
to have any of these benefits cut, they
are
not. They are
not. You'll be fine. And the Democrats
who lie to you,
if you give your vote to a Democrat,
shame on you. Yeah. Look. At the end
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of the day, we now know and we
have proof positive that the Democrats have been
lying for decades.
They just it's a political tool for them.
They tried to do it with the one
big beautiful bill. They tried to get the
Republicans to implode on themselves. They have nothing.
They have no issues to run on. They
have no leaders. They have no mission. They
are in complete and utter disarray, and Trump
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broke them. Donald Trump broke them. Yeah. And
the media
who is part,
Democrat and certainly owned by those wealthy enough
to tell
all of the pundits out there what to
say, how to say it, and whose side
they're supposed to be on.
People now know you don't trust the media.
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You don't trust
newspapers like The New York Times.
You you certainly you you know, if you
wanna go anywhere, go to The Wall Street
Journal. You're gonna get,
plus and minuses there, but at least you're
gonna be able to see on both sides
what people are saying about an issue.
That's exactly what you need to do, ladies
and gentlemen. You need to do your research,
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look at all sides of an issue. And
in the meantime,
we are, just about at the end of
our time. Do you have one last word
that you need to say other than you
love Catherine and you're crazy about Luke? No.
I just thank thank you as always for
having me. It's always a pleasure to be
on, and I'm glad I have the time
to do this, when I do. So I
appreciate it. Yeah. Well, I hope that you
continue to have the time because I think
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people just love to hear,
from the words of someone who is
so handsome and so young,
who's got the, the soul of a Plato
and a Socrates. He's got the self Vase
for radio, everyone. She's being No. No. No.
Anyway, good morning, everyone. This is Anne Baker
on Talking with Anne, and I'm with Brian
Fitzherbert on on Fitzherbert Friday.
And we are here to do,
some, talking about what's happening in the world
today. But, Brian, I I have a question
I have to ask you. Sure.
I saw this notice on Facebook, an invitation
for the Atlantic County Young Republican Club. Yeah.
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And and I wondered whether it was
the official
Atlanta County Young Republican Club who who is
putting this this on.
And so,
I'm I'm proffering that to you because I
didn't get my invitation,
and I'm really ticked.
Yeah. So, unfortunately, this is,
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a repeat of what happened a few months
ago
where,
the current management of the Republican Party here
in Atlanta County are ignoring existing charters, existing,
rules, whatever you wanna call them. Existing already
Atlanta County Young Republicans that I chair that
is chartered with the Young Republican Federation of
New Jersey.
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That's also chartered with the Young Republican National
Federation. We have the legal charter, etcetera.
And, obviously, this spat came about out of
left field
where,
literally, they announced
at a I think it was at the
Lincoln dinner that they were forming a new
organization,
that was gonna be separate from the existing
one, and that they would make and this
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was after ours had already been announced where
we do our annual Republican women event. It
was the fourth annual Republican women event, and
they had a, they had their own event
the day before, caused a lot of confusion.
I got so many text messages, emails, and
phone calls. I felt like I was a
candidate again trying to explain,
nope. This is something else. This is different.
And it looks like there is more escalation
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because of what you just referred to. I've
been getting messages about constantly.
Is is this you? And it's not because,
again, we do our summer bash every year.
We've done it. This will be the eighth
year that we're doing it. We always do
it at the August.
It's my backyard. We have speakers from all
across the state that come down and speak,
and we usually have about a 100 or
so people come out,
pending weather. We've been good. I think, six
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out of the seven years so far, we've
done it, has been positive.
And,
unfortunately, it just creates more confusion. And now
it's been escalated because not only the last
time they referred to themselves as the Atlanta
County Young Republican Committee, they've now dropped the
name committee, which is unfortunate,
since we have the legal name to that
from incorporation
standpoint,
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as well as now they're selling tickets. So,
unfortunately, this is gonna have to be dealt
with.
The escalation will be met with escalation. That's
just unfortunate. We're all on team Republican. We're
all moving in the same direction. We shouldn't
be doing things that would,
distract or create,
division
when we're trying to get Jack Trierley elected
in November. And so it's very unfortunate,
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and that's why, you know, I wouldn't refer
to
leadership because there isn't a leadership, the current
management, and how things are being done right
now. It's unfortunate and the instigators behind this
are just unfortunately very sad, unfortunately,
socially awkward people,
that want to be someone, be something.
And again, I think it's great whenever young
people wanna get involved, but when they have
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to make a choice because they don't understand,
okay, do I join the actual sanctioned one
that connects to the state YRs and the
national YRs that can give training and opportunity
and recruitment and get access to a lot
of tools and education, or do I wanna
focus on what's going on in the local
party? And it creates this confusion and division
that doesn't stop, unfortunately.
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And, again, you know, we're all on team
Republican. We can all be pushing in the
same direction, but, unfortunately, there's plenty of people
have chosen not to do
that. Yeah. That that,
that sounds like family squabbles. And you know
what? The only way to to get beyond
that is to come together. Yeah. And I
don't understand
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if, in fact, this other,
I I don't know whether you'd call illegal,
setting
that they've got using a name which is
not theirs to use,
if they would only,
come together.
I mean, can you imagine
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what a phenomenally
wonderful
Atlanta County Young Republican Club you would have
if everyone,
that has always gone to your events,
everyone who understands that you've been the head
of this
would come together, and and you can figure
out
leadership positions Yeah. I mean in any organization.
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Oh, yeah. Do it the normal political way.
You know, join as a member, form coalitions,
form your candidates,
and put yourselves out there to be voted
on by the club members. I mean, that's
what politics
is. And the fact that there's either a
fear or a resistance to do that is
is just something else. And again, remember,
when this was a fit formed back in
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2018, I was asked to go do all
the necessary,
steps and requirements to get this. I was
asked to go form on this group by
the previous,
leadership of the Landon County Republican,
organization, which I did. And that meant making
sure you get
necessary requirements, everything legally set aside, put together
to charter with the state wires, and then
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making sure everything gets set so that the
state charter can be coordinated with the national
wires. I mean, a lot of administrative stuff.
So I I set all that stuff up,
and we've had some we've had some good
years. We've had some bad years. All those
kinds of things in terms of, getting out
and getting
access. But I mean, we did wire deployments.
We were able to coordinate with the National
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Young Republican
Federation to have a deployment back in 2019
where they sent wires from Connecticut, Maryland, Pennsylvania,
Massachusetts,
all nearby New York to come down and
hit doors for who was then candidates Mike
Testa, Antoine McCollum, and Eric Simonson and having
those kinds of relationships to make those things
happen and and push in the right direction.
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So it's unfortunate. It is what it is.
It looks like this is how things are
gonna be for for the foreseeable future and
not in unity when again,
the goal here is to win elections. The
goal here is to get Jack Ciattarelli elected
governor so that we never have to hear
the words of governor Cheryl.
And, unfortunately,
when people may not say things on social
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media, they may not comment, but the amount
of conversations
and,
discussions behind the scenes and again, I don't
have time for this. I I really don't.
But I'll answer questions when people,
reach out to me, which is heavily frequent.
And it it is what it is. It's
just unfortunate, and that's where we are. Yeah.
You know, we we talk about a unified
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party,
but may I suggest that our senator get
involved
and, bring mister Purdy to the table,
together with the people that he, mister Purdy,
has appointed,
that he shouldn't have and that a,
a little bit of a a sit down,
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take place so the conversation can be had
so that you and,
the young lady who, mister Purdy, I believe,
placed in in this position of a new,
young Republican club,
that you actually get together because you could
probably
this could be a symbiotic relationship
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which would
encourage,
people, young Republicans to join,
to be part of an organization
that is,
inspirational.
And the fact that, that mister Purdy doesn't
doesn't seem to think that inspiration
is something that he wants associated with his
name,
is sad.
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But perhaps our, our senator, Vince Paulistina, and
maybe our assembly people can begin to talk
about,
bringing the party together because this is the
Young Republican Club.
These are the people who will be voting
for the next thirty or forty years.
You want them to feel
like
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they are all part of the same
motion forward, that they are fiscal conservatives, that
they have the the best outlook for their
communities in mind with everything that they do.
And the fact that they are in fact
splitting the party
shows that that they don't understand
what party unity is all about. And the
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sooner that they come to the table, I
mean, it doesn't matter who's in charge of
anything as long as you're unified,
as long as it's acceptable.
Power,
believe me, power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
And if that's what we're seeing,
then the Republican Party may very well be,
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corrupting itself to the point where people are
gonna say, why should I wanna join this
this organization,
this party?
They are they're they're out of control. They
don't know what they're doing, and they don't
know how to be unified.
Yeah. Look. I'm always up for communications and
and all of that stuff. And, again, to
your point, this is this is this is
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unfortunately where we are when
individuals make decisions. I mean, it's hard enough,
right, to get young people involved.
You know, I got invited to go speak
with the Stockton College Republicans, and we were
I was there for, I think, two and
a half hours, talking with their with their
college Republicans club there and talking about some
of the challenges issues of just getting people
engaged, involved as a young person because you
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have family relationships, you have friends and social
circles, you have your professional
wife. Do you want that impact and do
you want that impact from a social media
standpoint? So it's very hard to get people
engaged and most people on average don't actually
get engaged in in political parties until after
the kids have gone off to,
college or When they have time. When they
have time, when they've left the house. So
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it's unfortunate. It is what it is. And,
you know, hopefully, we can all just push
in the same direction. So that's I hope
so. What I'll say on that. I hope
so too. I I think we've we've probably
heard,
heard enough about party unity, but we need
it. We need it here in Atlanta County,
and our,
political bigwigs need to get
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And I was a darn good dancer.
My husband would be on the floor rolling
right now if he if he's listening. He'll
say,
oh, right.
I'm like Elaine.
I I won't ask what decade that was.
I'll be Thank you.
Respectful. I'm like Elaine in, Seinfeld
when she would dance.
I mean,
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you
you know? It's one of the it's one
of the funniest shows when she's out there
and she's dancing. I I just, you know,
you move to the music. You just
if you love what you're listening to. Our
president does. I mean, he's got I know
it. He's got some great dance moves. And
he's got every he's got every reason to
be,
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excited and,
just celebrating because the guy just keeps racking
up wins. He just keeps racking up wins
legislatively.
I mean, he got this done in six
months
to pass the one big beautiful bill, make
sure tax cuts are extended, make sure you
got $48,000,000,000
to finish the wall. It's like an afterthought.
Deportations
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so that homing can get up to a
seven to 8,000
per day number which would get to your
20,000,000 illegals deported.
You know, the defense budget to basically start
this development if it hasn't already again. I
I don't know. We've got it. So
all this stuff, I mean, from a legislative
standpoint, he surpassed Biden. He surpassed,
himself in 2017 because remember they tried to
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do Obamacare repeal by midsummer and it failed
because of John McCain. And then they wound
up doing the tax cuts at the end
of the year and then Obama even before
that they didn't get Obamacare passed until the
following year.
So Trump's on a contradictory. There's no there's
no comment that you could say he's a
lame duck president, which is ironic because a
lot of people
remember, there's a lot of people that were
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DeSantis people and they were buying into this
byline. But again, who cares who you supported
in a primary, unite, become Republican, support the
guy. Obviously, it's Donald Trump. This is the
Trump show for the next four years. And
truthfully, when you look at the other side,
you look at the Democrats, they're in such
disarray because you can't even ask AI, Chatbot,
whoever,
what could be a candidate for the Democrats
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that could have
positions that the American populace, 51%, would get
on board for. When they're around with Abrego
Garcia,
Maryland man instead of actually trying to go
gangbanger,
all these things you can't even say. And
again, now now we're seeing
sunny.
Exactly. And we can get to that. But
think about this. I've said this. I'm getting
(12:39):
so excited because it's literally the first time
in my lifetime of nearly four decades of
living that the majority
of Americans
sing like,
significant poll after significant poll saying deport
all legal immigrants, not just the criminals, not
just the rapists, not just all the people
that quote, unquote committed secondary crimes. It's literally
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all and now it's 63.1.
Wow. That that's your super majority. That means
Trump's mandate is working. It means that his
view and his vision for The United States
is on par. And now he's got the
tools, now he's got the funding for Homan
and Noam to do all this stuff
over the next three and a half years.
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And hopefully as it as it stands. I
mean, if I had my money on,
a team to take over for Trump, it's
probably gonna be JD Vance Rubio would be
the ticket because it's it's just a natural
as and it's
assuming JD doesn't pull an h w and
screw up because again, remember, h w could
have just
put it on cruise control with what Reagan
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did, but no, he had to make deals
with Democrats, read my lips, no new taxes
and then went and passed new taxes And
then Ross Perot got in, got 18% of
vote, and then this no name guy from
Arkansas,
Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton in tow got
elected president.
And we would have never heard of the
Clintons if HW hadn't done that. So, again,
hopefully, these guys learn and even even so,
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if it's JD, if it's Rubio, if it's
DeSantis, any one of those guys,
I think we've got a good good potential
twelve year twelve year run while the Democrats
continuously,
immolate themselves and and self destruct on the
national stage. Yeah. On the statewide
basis,
obviously, we we've still got some challenges, and
we gotta get that done. I think we
need to remind people about what happened with
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Ross Perot when he entered into the presidential
race and took him. You know, it it
it splits the party. It takes away votes
from the strongest candidate, and,
people do it for whatever the reason, you
know,
a friendship,
a kinship because of,
how they feel about the party and and
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what's going on. But Sometimes it's accountability.
Oh, it's it it it it is. People
but people
pick and choose the issues that they want
to either hang you on the
or or whether they want to make you
king.
They choose their issues based on that. And
sometimes in fact, when we come back, we're
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gonna be taking a break soon, and I
think we're gonna need more talk about the
big beautiful bill
and how many people
are still thinking
that Medicaid cuts are going to take money
away
from children who need it, from
people who are unable,
literally disabled, unable to work, that it's going
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to take money from them.
And people need to hear the truth,
which they're not hearing from the Democrat party.
The Democrat party is pushing nothing
but lies,
absolute
lies,
hoping to get people to look at them
again
in
a a a much better way than they
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have looked at Democrats in a very long
period of time. But this is this is
a disgrace,
what's happening. It it is. And, again, this
is all the Democrats have, the media have
because Trump just keeps racking the winds up.
And they know and they know that he's
got the political capital, and they they don't
know what to do. They have no leader.
They have no issue to even run on
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and they tried to convince the Republicans to
implode their own bill to have tax increases
go up significantly. The largest tax increase if
these expired at the end of the year.
Mhmm. So we can go line by line
when we get back with regard to that
because,
it's 900 pages, and if you're on an
airplane, you have time to read it. You've
been on an airplane recently. Okay. It is
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what it is.
Anyway, this is Anne Baker
on talking with Anne with Brian Fitzherbert on
Fitzherbert, Friday.
Stick around. We'll be back after the break.
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Yeah.
Wouldn't it be nice?
Wouldn't
it be nice? And I'm here with Brian,
and, we are talking about, boy, wouldn't it
be great to have unity?
You know? Yeah. Well, we got unity for
the one big beautiful bill that no one
thought was gonna happen. And actually, that's kinda
what I where where I wanna start because
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in the senate, JD Vance was called as
vice president. He's the president of senate to
come down and cast tie breaking vote. Remember,
Republicans have a fifty three forty seven majority
in the senate. That means three senators decided
not to vote for this. And what's sadly
ironic
is that the three senators,
Susan Collins up in Maine, no shock. Uh-huh.
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Tillis in North Carolina was was a little
bit of a shock and now he's retiring
because he knows that he's,
Yeah. He's not gonna have Trump support. And
then Lisa Murkowski
actually voted for it. Rand Paul from Kentucky
did not vote for it. And now
I'm gonna go into conservative, like, blow my
brains out type of, minutia here. Rand Paul's
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biggest concern was that there wasn't any cuts
and that the debt ceiling was being erased,
I e, my credit card limit for the
United States government. He had an issue with
that, and he had an issue with the
amount of spending that was in the one
bigger beautiful bill, which is why he didn't
vote for it. So then the Republicans had
a math problem. Okay. Susan Collins obviously is
usually never gonna vote for these kinds of
things because of those She's a liberal with
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a liberal,
population.
With the with the Medicare stuff, which we'll
talk Medicaid stuff, which we'll talk about. And
Tillis was out of left field, but, again,
he focused on the on the Medicaid stuff.
But, again, Rand Paul
was all about having issues with spending. So
then the math problem persists, how do you
get to 50? Okay. You gotta go to
Lisa Murkowski. Lisa Murkowski, say what you want
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about her. She is a liberal republican, but
she knows how to wheel and deal to
get things for Alaska. And as a result
of getting Lisa Murkowski's vote, meaning the fiftieth
vote,
they had to raise the fund for for
all this stuff to 50,000,000,000
for Medicaid,
bailouts from the states, etcetera. So by getting
Lisa Murkowski's
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vote instead of Rand Paul's,
more money was spent in the bill. So
if Rand Paul had actually voted for it
before they went to Lisa Murkowski,
it would have been a better bill and
less money being spent. But as a result
of him
not supporting it, it actually increased the spending
of the bill so they could get Lisa
Murkowski. In Alaska. In Alaska. Yeah. So from
(19:27):
an from
a minutia standpoint,
that's a that was, you know, no bill's
perfect. Right? And, unfortunately, Rand Paul, I guess,
didn't see the irony of him saying no.
Okay. What are the what is Republican leadership
gonna do? They're gonna go find that fiftieth
vote. And as a result, they had to
spend more money
in the bill to get that vote from
Lisa Murkowski so that JD Vance could be
(19:48):
the tiebreaker. So that's so that's kind of
the mechanics behind how that happened. It's unfortunate
because I get it. Rand Paul doesn't wanna
spend money. We've got deficit problems. We've got
debt problems, etcetera, which, you know We're never
gonna fix it. Okay? We're gonna so a
lot of this bill
remember, let's use the example of 2017.
CBO, Congressional Budget Office, they score these things
especially when you're doing budget reconciliation, which means
(20:09):
you only need 51 votes in the senate,
not 60,
to cut off filibuster and debate. So what
happened? 2017
tax cuts, they said that this was gonna
quote unquote cost
$3,000,000,000,000
and that their growth estimates
were
were x y z. Turns out, CBO was
woefully wrong
by $3,000,000,000,000
(20:29):
Meaning that because of the tax cuts being
incorporated,
the growth of the economy
paid for those quote, unquote tax cuts as
was the Trump vision
that when you grow the economy, you're growing
the pie to actually cover quote, unquote CBO
costs. Now this time around, CBO tried the
same thing again, said this is gonna cost
$4,000,000,000,000.
(20:50):
But what's ironic about this is
because it's congress, it's legislative, it doesn't take
into account
tariff revenue, which Scott Besson has said as
treasury secretary that through the first six months,
we've brought in $300,000,000,000
in additional tariff revenue that we didn't have
a year ago as a result of these
(21:10):
tariff negotiations Trump is doing, which goes right
into the treasury.
So you have all these things going on,
which means the likelihood of the CBO
scoring this tax cut bill
is probably wrong too because it also is
going to assume growth that will expand over
that period of time that will quote unquote
pay for it again. I don't agree with
(21:31):
this mentality at the media and the left
says that tax cuts are gonna cost money.
No. You spend less and you take in
less revenue.
They believe as Democrats that all means of
production, meaning the money that you make
is theirs and they give you back what
they believe is enough for you. Whereas Republicans
believe, conservatives believe, whatever you make is yours
and you make your little donation to the
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treasury as in the form of taxes. That's
the biggest difference.
So tie this all together
from a tax cut standpoint and from a
growth standpoint, this is gonna be like rocket
fuel come September.
After all this, everyone gets back in the
same routine, kids are back in school, people
are paying attention again, people are adjusting to
the new law
of more tax cuts, additional things that have
(22:15):
happened from that piece. So it's it was
a three pronged. Right? You had tax cuts,
you had,
immigration, border security, and then you had the
defense related stuff, and then we'll talk about
the Medicaid stuff. But all of that means
that, again, the CBO is woefully,
woefully
wrong when it comes to scoring
any kind of cost, quote, unquote,
or loss of revenue? Because, again, you go
(22:36):
back to 2017,
you look at government revenues, guess what? They
all significantly increased because, Laffer curve, the lower
the taxes, the higher the revenue.
Well,
this is this is a question that I
I don't know whether it's even answerable. I
know that Bill Clinton had a balanced budget.
Yeah.
(22:56):
Is there a possibility
that
Donald Trump
and,
his warriors in Doge as well
as those who really are fiscal conservatives. Is
there a chance in hell
that with AI, with our power needs that
are going to be multiplied
exponentially,
(23:17):
that we're ever gonna be able to get
a balanced budget again? Okay. So great question,
and I think the answer is maybe.
And I'll I'll explain that. So there's the
debt and there's the deficit.
The debt is our accumulated.
Right? It's $36,000,000,000,000.
It's it's basically year over year. In when
Clinton was in office, it was 6,000,000,000,000.
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When Bush left, it was 10,000,000,000,000. When Obama
left, it was 18,000,000,000,000.
When Trump left, I think it was, like,
24,000,000,000,000.
When Biden left, it was 33,000,000,000,000
or something. It's just exponential. Interest kills you.
Right? Because now the biggest,
the third biggest
cost for us is
the interest on the debt. So
(23:58):
what Bill Clinton and Newt Gingrich were able
to do in the nineties was the annual
budget. Right? The deficit
to make it positive, meaning in an annual
year, let's say, '26
fiscal year to 2027. Right? It's September to
October, etcetera. September 30 is the last day
of the fiscal,
calendar. October 1 is the beginning, etcetera. So
October 1 to September 30 is your fiscal
(24:20):
year for the federal government.
They could conceivably in that given year, if
they take in more revenue
than they are spending Even with tariffs.
Even with tariffs. Especially with tariffs. Especially with
actually, this is the biggest thing because, again,
like I said it with the CBO, they
don't count tariffs because it's not coming through
congressional. It's not legislative. It's coming through the
executive,
(24:40):
and and the secretary of the treasury, etcetera.
So all that can be counted. So again,
to get a situation that Clinton was able
to do on paper, because remember, he counted
Social Security.
Social Security at that time, there was a
whole lot more people paying into them and
were taking out. And obviously after the Doge
efforts, and we've now seen that there are
people over the age of 120,
(25:01):
not just on the rolls, but actually direct
deposit payments to people's bank accounts, which again,
you're gonna stop all that,
with what Besson's gonna do in the treasury,
that you cut all that fraud, waste, and
abuse. So if you have all this revenue
coming in, not just from tariffs,
not just from,
the growth of the economy as a result
(25:21):
of people spending more of their money instead
of the government doing it through tax cuts,
through investment, all that kind of stuff, and
you cut back spending
via cutting fraud, waste, and abuse that we
can see clearly in Social Security, Medicaid, Medicare,
etcetera, which we'll talk about in a second.
All of that can get us to a
point of a,
(25:41):
Semi balance. A balanced budget for a given
year, for a given fiscal year, and he
could do it a couple times. But, again,
this stuff, unfortunately,
look look at the resistance
Oh. That's been gone on with Doge. Now
this is one of the reasons Elon Musk
is kind of, you know, having his little
tantrum because,
he found a $175,000,000,000
(26:04):
in doge cuts. Right? But you have to
incorporate them congressionally. This is why we have
house ways and means. You have to do
this through rescissions packages, which means you have
to get 218
members of the house. And in this case,
whether I don't think you can do this
through budget reconciliation.
Maybe you can. Fifty one fifty one or
60 in the senate to be able to
(26:24):
pass this. You have to do this line
by line as a rescission.
So, ultimately,
the first one is, like, $9,000,000,000,
and they're struggling right now with that because
guess what? There's all these goodies in all
these districts that represent Democrats aren't gonna give
you votes because they don't care. They don't
wanna give Republicans a win. So you just
have to do this within your own caucus,
and I don't think Musk understands the realities
(26:45):
of congress on how you have to actually
legislatively
cut this stuff. I wanna cut. Of course,
I do. But you can't just snap your
fingers. You have to do it. If there's
money that's been appropriated by congress and you're
not gonna spend it, you're gonna claw it
back, you have to do a recisions package.
That's that's what you have to do. So
all that taking into effect, yeah, we can
maybe get there.
(27:06):
We're not gonna probably get there this fiscal
year. Yeah. But we could probably buy his
third or fourth year where we can we
can get there. Yeah.
Yep. I danced. Yes. I did. Anyway, this
is Anne Baker together with Brian Fitzherbert on
Fitzherbert Friday and talking with Anne. And, Brian,
we do have to get into this Medicaid.
(27:27):
I was at a wonderful event last night,
Faces for Autism,
that literally is an organization
which which encompasses
families who have a child with autism
and who makes sure that the direction in
which their family is headed, their child is
headed, is a good one. And, they are
growing, and I hope that anyone who has
(27:48):
the ability to, give them a donation will
do so. But we were at a place
last night, and
we spoke to someone who was just
so afraid of what was going to happen
with Medicaid because they were told by some
of the people, and I think that they're
all left wing, but some of the people,
who are taking care of these children that
(28:08):
everything is going to be cut, that their
child is going to be losing the services
that they now have, that it will be
lessened.
And it's like
John talked to them and he said, look.
They're getting rid of all of the people
that have taken advantage of this agency and
this program
who weren't supposed to, who stole billions of
dollars.
(28:29):
In fact, over time, trillions of dollars
from Medicaid.
So
you will not be cut. No child who
is in need of these services is going
to have anything cut.
Tell me if I'm right. Yeah. So this
is it's interesting because I spoke to a
lot of people who are not really engaged
in politics in the last few weeks about
this very topic.
And again, so fundamentally,
(28:50):
lie. There is no cutting to Medicaid for
any of what you're describing. What they instituted
was work requirements or requirements in order if
you're gonna take from the wagon, you're gonna
have to pull the wagon. And what does
that actually mean? That if you are
18 years of age, able-bodied,
able to work,
you gotta work twenty hours to get these
(29:10):
Medicaid
benefits. You can't get a job? You can
volunteer
for twenty hours a week. Church, community, whatever.
Don't wanna volunteer? Take training classes for twenty
hours a week. Can't get training classes?
Take any kind of education classes for twenty
hours a week.
You can't, I'm
sorry. All those are plausible and the easiest
(29:31):
is volunteering
twenty hours a week and doing a time
sheet. It's not difficult.
And what that's going to do is not
only discourage
able-bodied because they're like, oh, I have to
do all this stuff with my time. I
might as well get an actual job if
I'm capable which you might get benefits from
your standpoint. Yeah. And even further that there
has to be requirements
of citizenship
(29:53):
that at least
one if you if
you have to be able to prove that
you are a American citizen
to be able to get these benefits, which
again were all waived under the Biden administration
and Obama administrations so the legal immigrants could
take out Medicaid.
And again, now we're having this birthright citizenship
discussion that, again, when this is all said
(30:14):
and done, the Supreme Court's gonna rule in
Trump's favor, and these individuals that are
subject to the jurisdiction thereof
of another country will not have citizenship here.
So going forward,
all this stuff will prevent any abuse, any
fraud that American citizens
only
will be able to qualify for Medicaid. Remember,
(30:34):
Medicaid
is for, quote, unquote, for the poor, for
low income that can't afford health care. Medicare
is for those 65 and over. 65 and
over. So these lies that the left and
the media have said that they're cutting Medicaid,
that all these people are gonna lose their
insurance,
Lies. The only people who are gonna lose
insurance are people who should have never been
on it in the first place
(30:55):
that are not American citizens,
that do not meet simple work requirements, which
again, Bill Clinton and Newt Gingrich put into
place in the nineties to prevent welfare
abuses, which led to, obviously, massive reform in
welfare. And it's not just Medicaid. It's the
same thing with SNAP, I e food stamps.
It's the same thing with WIC. You have
to be an American citizen. You are not
(31:16):
going to suck off the teeth of the
American taxpayer
unless you are here lawfully
and that you can prove the fact that
you are lawful and that you are American
citizen. If you again,
you can self deport.
If you do it now, as Kristi Noem,
our secretary of Homeland Security, if you do
it now and get out, you can come
back in. You don't and we find you
and we deport you, you're not coming back
(31:37):
in. And again, now Homan has the budget
and To do it. The guns and badges
to do this as part of the one
big beautiful bill to get deportations up to
7,000 a day, which will ultimately lead to
roughly 20,000,000 illegal immigrants deported in the next
three and a half years. Can you imagine
the amount of extra money that our government
will have that was given out during Joe
(31:59):
Biden's terms?
The the trillion plus dollars it was given
out. Obama too. All the how many how
many times now that we've seen, not with
Doge observations
with regard to the cuts, right, Social Security
abuse, fraud waste and abuse, Medicaid fraud waste
and abuse, illegal immigrants taking benefits that ultimately
form higher costs for the rest of us.
(32:21):
It impacts health care costs. They go to
a hospital, they don't pay. Guess what? In
the form of higher prices, we pay because
we can pay. Same thing with education, oversized
classrooms. You have to hire teachers as ESL,
English as a second language, all these things
that are costly. This is all gonna get
us right into a fiscally
responsible position,
and Trump's on a winning streak, and he's
gonna continue. Yes. So everyone out there who
(32:43):
is so worried about someone who is disabled,
who is unable to work, that they're going
to have any of these benefits cut, they
are
not. They are
not. You'll be fine. And the Democrats
who lie to you,
if you give your vote to a Democrat,
shame on you. Yeah. Look. At the end
(33:04):
of the day, we now know and we
have proof positive that the Democrats have been
lying for decades.
They just it's a political tool for them.
They tried to do it with the one
big beautiful bill. They tried to get the
Republicans to implode on themselves. They have nothing.
They have no issues to run on. They
have no leaders. They have no mission. They
are in complete and utter disarray, and Trump
(33:25):
broke them. Donald Trump broke them. Yeah. And
the media
who is part,
Democrat and certainly owned by those wealthy enough
to tell
all of the pundits out there what to
say, how to say it, and whose side
they're supposed to be on.
People now know you don't trust the media.
(33:45):
You don't trust
newspapers like The New York Times.
You you certainly you you know, if you
wanna go anywhere, go to The Wall Street
Journal. You're gonna get,
plus and minuses there, but at least you're
gonna be able to see on both sides
what people are saying about an issue.
That's exactly what you need to do, ladies
and gentlemen. You need to do your research,
(34:06):
look at all sides of an issue. And
in the meantime,
we are, just about at the end of
our time. Do you have one last word
that you need to say other than you
love Catherine and you're crazy about Luke? No.
I just thank thank you as always for
having me. It's always a pleasure to be
on, and I'm glad I have the time
to do this, when I do. So I
appreciate it. Yeah. Well, I hope that you
continue to have the time because I think
(34:27):
people just love to hear,
from the words of someone who is
so handsome and so young,
who's got the, the soul of a Plato
and a Socrates. He's got the self Vase
for radio, everyone. She's being No. No. No.
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