August 10, 2026 • 32 mins
Turner Classic Movies host and author Dave Karger never expected his parents to make the move they've made in retirement: They're going back to a college campus to live out their golden years. Tom and MJ Karger join Dave on this episode to talk about this growing phenomenon of inter-generational living for retirees. What's it like going back to class as Octogenarians with Gen Z'ers? Find out what surprises them most, and why this plan has given Dave and his brother peace of mind.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
When I first took a buyout at NBC after a
decade at their own stations in DC and Philadelphia, viewers
and friends were so kind. They were sending me all
kinds of messages of congratulations on your retirement, or asking
me in person, so, how's retirement, Jim, as if I'd
suddenly entered some exclusive Seiger's club and they wanted to
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know what it was like. What they didn't realize is
that I had zero intention of actually retiring. At that point.
I had to explain, you know, I'm not retiring, I'm
just pivoting to the next chapter. And I secretly liked
the unexpectancy of it all. See what I did there.
So the truth was, I was really anxious to get
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back to my native New York to be closer to family.
With those ten years in other markets and many many
other years in other markets as well, my dad at
ninety five fines family time especially important right now. As
a role model, my own dad didn't really fully retire
until about the age of eighty five. He was running
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all over the city of New York. He was in
the subway, he was walking, was very, very active. So
that's been my sort of model for what retirement looks like.
But all that talk about my supposed or assumed retirement
kind of triggered a conversation in my own head and
with my wife, with my sister, what would our retirement
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actually look like? I picture mountains, my wife pictures water.
That's about as far as we've gotten. So we have
some more work to do, some more conversations to have
on that subject. Maybe it seems far off for you,
but if you stop to think about it, what does
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all that work life lead to for you? Ultimately? What
does your retirement look like in your mind? Coming up,
we're going to meet a couple whose golden years landed
them back at college, or at least in a college
community with access to some academics, the arts, and a
kind of multi generational community. So why there, what do
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they love about it? What's missing? And what do their
kids think of their decision to sell the house and
start this life without work. Their decision actually caught their
son by surprise. He's someone you may know if especially
you are a film buff. I'm Jie Rosenfield and this
is Life an Expectancy. It's a podcast about life's sudden
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curveballs and triumphs and how to deal with them when
there is no set of instructions, I.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Guess it is.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
So, when I was an anger here in New York
City at WCBS, I think it was the late nineties,
I got a call one day from a guy who
worked as a senior writer at Entertainment Weekly. He'd written
more than fifty cover stories on actual celebrities, not local
TV anchors, stories on George Clooney, Elton, John Angelina, Jolie Taylor, Swift.
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His name is Dave Carger. He also knows all things Oscar.
He's appeared on The Today Show dozens of times, helping
viewers kind of handicap who might bring home their gold
statue in any given year. He's also a host on
Turner Classic Movies, and he's the author of a fantastic book,
Fifty Oscar Nights, iconic stars and filmmakers on their career
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defining wins. Dave and I also share something in common.
We're both DO graduates. However, Dave graduated cum Laudie. I
did not, but we don't have to go into that.
Dave Carter, Welcome to life, unexpectancy.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
Thank you so much. It's great to see you.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
So back to how we met, Dave. Why in the
world were you calling me the local anchor WCBS. Did
you think I had some celebrity scoop?
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Yeah, no, I'll embarrass you by I think it was great.
I was a few years out of Duke. I was
watching WCBS. I was I had the TV on all
the time when I was at my office at EW
and I was like, I love this guy. He's good looking, Marteleigenic.
Where did he come from? So I went and I
did a search because I wanted to see what your
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background was, and it said that you were a Duke grat.
I said, I can't believe it. He's another Duchy. And
at that time, in addition to my main job at
Entertainment Weekly, I was writing the occasional article for the
Duke Alumni magazine. So I got in touch with the
editor of the magazine, who you know on bl wise
and we already knew there was another New York based
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news anchor, Diana Williams, at the local well Agency station.
So Bob and I came up with this idea, if
you and Diana were into it, for me to write
an article about the two of you, And that was
in nineteen ninety nine, and I remember it was called
Duking it Out in New York and you and Diana
did a photo shoot together where you had boxing gloves
on and pretended to be these you know, tough rivals.
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But I remember spending the day with you in the
CBS studio. And now in the years since, I've become
friends with your fantastic wife Dana and your sons, and
you know my partner, Terry, and it's led to this
great friendship.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
So we both grew up, Dave in the suburbs of
New York City too. You have an older brother, right,
your parents, Tom and Mary Jane better known as MJ.
And you told me they share a common passion for
really helping other people, especially young people.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Right, Yeah, that's one thing I love about my parents.
I mean, they're listening to me talk right now, but sorry,
Mom and Dad. My parents are retired social workers, different
kinds of social works, as you'll learn. My dad was
more on the executive side at a nonprofit. My mom
was a public school social worker for decades up in
Puckham County. And I've just always really respected this kind
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of shared value that they have of caring about people,
people who are less fortunate, compassion for people. And I
remember when I was young asking my parents or asking
my mom like, why do you think you guys are
together as a couple, and she said, it's our shared values.
And I didn't know what that phrase meant at that time,
but over the years now I understand what that phrase means.
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So I feel very fortunate that I grew up the
son of social workers, because I think it's imbued me
with hopefully a sense of compassion to the extent that
my parents have it as well.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
So you are, we should point out out on the
West Coast. I mean, you spent about half your year
out in California, right, and your older brother is here
on the East Coast.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
For the most part, I'm the child who's away. I'm
the child who's twenty five hundred miles apart from my parents,
whereas my brother Mike is much closer to my parents.
So I do feel a little bit removed at times
from the family, which was part of my concern as
my parents were getting older. How is that going to
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work out?
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Glad you bring that up, because there comes that time
when we begin that kind of role reversal, right, when
we start to worry about our parents versus them worrying
about us as they get perhaps closer to hitting retirement years,
what is their future going to look like for them?
So that started to creep into your concerns, your thoughts,
a little bit of worry about your folks.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
A little bit.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
I mean.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
The good news is that as you'll see, and you
know my mom and dad, you've met them before, but
you're watching and listening, we'll see my parents are eighty,
but they're very young eighty in many ways. They don't
look eighty, they don't act eighty. They are very youthful
in a lot of ways. So I think part of
me has been in a little bit of denial about
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the fact that they're getting older, because they don't telegraph
that really in most ways. But of course I was thinking,
as you know, the last ten years went on and
my parents did retire, what's going to happen? And quite frankly,
how much of it is going to be my responsibility?
How difficult is it going to be the fact that
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I am so far away. The good thing is is
that my brother is a very reliable person, and I
always knew in the back of my mind, and if
anything were to happen, if there was anything that did
go on or needed to be helped out with, my
brother would be someone who would be there without a doubt.
But of course I did start thinking a little bit,
I wonder, what's going to happen. But this was the
surprise of it from my point of view, was to
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see how proactive, not that I really should be surprised
my parents have been about figuring out what to do,
because you do hear stories of older people who don't
want to move on, who don't want to leave the
house that they're in, who are very scared to take
that next step. So I'm very grateful that my parents
had each other, and I'm grateful that they did do
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all this research on their own. I remember talking to
them a few years ago. I mean I say a
few years ago. This was probably six or seven years ago,
and I remember they said something to me like, oh,
we're thinking of maybe looking down in North Carolina, which
is you know, of course, where I went to school,
maybe retiring down there. And I thought, oh, that sounds interesting,
but it just didn't really feel right. And then, you know,
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five or so years ago when they told me about
where they now live, this place called Broadview, which is
on the campus of Purchase College also known as Sunny Purchase,
and this model of retirement living where the older folks
live on the college campus in close proximity to the
college life. It just made so much sense that this
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would be something that they would do because it's a
brand new type of living situation. But it's also twenty
five minutes away from where they were already living, so
it didn't feel like that much of a pick up
and move.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
But a bit of the life on expectancy right there
when they said, we've got this all figured out and
this is what we're.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
Doing, Yeah, going back to college that way, And it
was I mean, it was a relief at the time,
and it continues to be a relief for me and
I'll speak for my brother I think as well, just
that it's taken a lot of the burden, if you will,
and onus and responsibility off of us. And but beyond that,
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it's created for them and they'll talk about it, this
new community that is so exciting and enriching to them.
And they went from living in a house that had
some land around it and they kind of knew the
people on their street. Occasionally I would hear a story
about this neighbor or that neighbor, but never got the
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sense that they were friends or close with any of
the people who lived near them. But now I'm always
hearing about this neighbor and this neighbor and this next
door person, and they're having dinner with this person. And
it's just such a new way of living for them
to have not only the friends that they already had,
who are kind of scattered all around the place, some
of them are in New York City, but now close
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friends that are right there down the street. So it's
just it's just been exciting. As much as it's been
a relief, it's also been a joy for me to
learn about all the different things that they've been down doing.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
When we come back, we're going to meet Dave's parents,
Tom and MJ, and we'll find out if being seniors
on campus is as cool as it was in their twenties.
My guess yes, Tom and MJ. Carg Welcome to life
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on Expectancy.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Thank you, we're happy to be here.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Absolutely, you're joining us a course from your relatively new
home adjacent to the campus of purchase college at Broadview.
It's called right outside of New York City.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
Correct, Actually the full name is Broadview Senior Living.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
And now Dave gave away your ages. You're okay with that.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
That's fine.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
So as we've been researching this, Broadview is actually one
of more than eighty such developments across the country, and
this concept is reportedly one of the fastest growing segments
in the senior living industry. You guys could have gone
to Florida, Dave talked about mentioning North Carolina. You could
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have played golf somewhere Arizona. Did you two talk about
what retirement would look like. Well, before you knew about
this option, and what came up in that discussion.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Well, we because Day and you are Duke fans. We
love Duke basketball. And when we put down during to
look at that senior living, we got all excited because
we met some people who you know, they go like, yeah,
I'm a what's iron Iron Duke? And we have extra tickets.
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I don't go to all the games I'm seeing. To Tom,
come on, let's stay. We got to stay here, we
got to move here. This is great. I want to
see it. I want to be on campus in the
gym when the boys play, and so that was a temptation,
but we didn't like the format of it. Yeah, I
don't know. And I also, you know, we're New Yorkers.
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We southern. It's still southern down there. Just I don't
do the ladies teeth things so well probably so no,
we felt that's probably not the right place.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
There was also a multi year waiting list for that
particular community.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
When we came here. A broad view you are a renter.
You do not own this place, and that became very
appealing because anything that you you know, like all the appliances,
as long as you don't upgrade. If you're using their
appliances and something goes wrong with it, they replace it.
You know, it's wonderful. We've always been homeowners, so this
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feels really luxurious to be a rencher.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
So tell me what life is like there. In other words,
the connection to purchase college. Can you take classes to
you audit them? I understand some of the mindset is
making shorter duration classes available because many people don't want
to take a full semester course. What is what's accessible
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to you there?
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Well, we took we just took modern art. You know
a couple of semesters about and it was wonderful. Tom
never took an art class in college. I have, so
it was a little redundant for me, but not that much.
So we got we went together, and now when we
go to museums, you can appreciate instead of saying, yeah,
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that's just.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
A squig or something.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
He has a better appreciation of some of the art.
So I think that's really cool. Uh, we can. Yeah,
we're going to probably take some more courses trying to
think what we were.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
We haven't we haven't seen the listing of available courses
to audit for this coming fall. But I have to
say going to class with today's college student was quite
an eye opening experience.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
How so how so?
Speaker 4 (15:31):
Well, I mean just the different kinds of behaviors of
students getting there late, leaving class in the middle of
class to text or make a phone call or something.
It just didn't quite happened in my day.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
The class we were in, how many of us were there?
Speaker 4 (15:51):
There were only five or six of us brought you
and a couple of other quote unquote older adults. But
then there were thirty five to forty twenty year olds.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
And did you feel welcomed by them. Did you feel
like you needed to sit sort of in the corner
of the room where you really felt like you were
integrating into the.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
That's court with them different because this university or school
here has commuters, a lot of commuters as well as
people on campus that live here, so you have a mix.
So they don't really know. It's not like a lot
of chatter between them when they sit down too. But no,
I got to talk to a few of the students
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and befriended them a little bit, you know, through in
the classroom, not out some of the classroom.
Speaker 4 (16:42):
I mean initially the first couple of classes, we gravitated
to the back of the classroom and then realized no
one was sitting in the front of the class. So
we know, the older folks started moving up and we're
sitting in the fat road. Yeah, it's where Jesse's happy
to sit in the back.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Well one story that it's not us, But I thought
this was so cool. One of the residents here had
a grandchild that's taking physics and what was the.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
Others it was? It was a physics and calculates.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Oh, calculous. So he decided he would not only just audit,
but he actually took it for credit and you know,
to compete with his grandchild. And I asked him at
the end of the semester, well, how'd you do? I
got two a's, he.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
Said, oh so nice.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
It was also a bonding and experience for them. Yeah,
I could study together.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
And wow, yeah it's fantastic.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
It wasn't us.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
So when I when I left CBS, I did a
fellowship on the Duke campus, actually lived on campus for
a semester, and I remember, you know, walking through the
quad and feeling like I was twenty again. You know,
no time had passed, except you realize to the student body,
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you look like a professor, probably a very long tenured professor,
not a frat bro anymore. And it really marked the
passage of time for me in a way. Did you
or do you ever get that feeling of the passage
of time being on a college campus like that? And
is that awkward at all or is it a good feeling?
Speaker 2 (18:28):
Well, I guess that's next. I think the students were
the ones that had more trouble thinking about hanging out
with us than we did hang out with them. In fact,
we had the first year we were here and this
past year in the fall students, there's a lot you know,
it's a performing arts community here, so they are some
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of them want to be a film directors or writers whatever,
So they've used our house because first last year somebody asked,
I'm that student because I'm very off with LGBT two
kids around here at this campus has a lot of
queer children here, youth. So he came over and used
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our villa to film and the word got out. And
then this past year a young lady came and asked
if she could film here as well. So we've had
people coming into our villa. They call them villas, a
free standing place that we have. It's like nineteen hundred
square feet, two bedrooms. I mean, it's perfect. So yeah,
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we've gotten to know some of the students that way.
I think we scare some of the some of the
students when they see us, but they're trying to blend
us more, bringing more programmatic stuff over to us. And
we have a nice large rule like a theater kind
of things, so you know, they bring students over the
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same or some performances, so they're getting to know us.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Do you can you eat in the dining hall, or
do we is that it can our residents allowed to
do that, to have their meals on campus if they
so choose.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Now we have a totally separate we are adjacent our community,
and that's a forty six villains and the number of
two and twenty or something apartments and attached to the
apartments because you could live in the apartments and never
go outside in your life. Because there's fitness room, there's
a pool, aerobic kind of class, a weight room, all
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these great spaces that you can utilize. But there's also
what's seven hundred dollars per person food want so that
you and they have a restaurant at least two different
venues of restaurants that you can go to for lunch
and dinner if you like.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
You mentioned the meal charge, and I just wonder general,
I mean, we don't have to get into the nitty
gritty of the numbers. You also mentioned you're actually renting
your unit. How affordable is this because I know there's
a wide range of obviously senior living kinds of situations,
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some that require you to basically kind of turn over
your life savings. What's your take on how accessible this
is to the general community. Tom and MJ.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
This is a this is really considered a high end community.
On the other hand, because it's on New York State
Land and the community which is run by an organization
called Life Care Services, which is based out of Des Moines,
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and they operate about ninety something similar facilities throughout throughout
the country, not all of course on college campus, but
because we're on state land, twenty percent of the units
had to fit into what's considered the affordable category, so
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that people had to have meet a income requirement. On
the other hand, in order to get in, they had
to have enough capital to be able to lay out
the enough funds for the mission what they call the
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admission fee or the entry fee. The good thing about
the entry fee is that ninety percent of what we
have put down as our entry fee will be returned
to us when we leave or we're here until our death,
that it will go to for our heirs or sons
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and our granddaughter.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
And now, so Davis, Dave's still in the wild.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Yeah so far.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
You know, well, they just want to double check this
podcast is now worth it. Now I have that knowledge,
so thank you.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
The other thing we didn't mention what made this very appealing.
There are a lot of things that are very appealing here.
And is that besides so many people here. I mean
it's like so busy, it's crazy, between the programmatic things
that Bribew puts out for us, the performances that even
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the people, the residents here perform. We have so many
talented people. But beyond that, we have a country club
that we belong to forever that's two miles away. So
I mean we were going like this has happened, This
is like perfect for us. Every piece of it is perfect. Yeah,
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really nice people.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
When you hear Dave, when you hear your mom saying
this is heaven, how do you feel about that?
Speaker 3 (24:06):
Well, it's back to what I said before. I mean,
it's I look at it selfishly because, as I said,
it takes a lot of the worry and responsibility off
of my shoulders. Not that I ever was that worried,
because my parents are so on it and with it
and responsible, but it's this added joy of everything that
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this new situation has brought to their lives that they
didn't have. I mean, I hear my mom telling me
about these workout classes that she's doing, you know, like
chair workouts and I remember as a kid, Mom, you
were always jogging and playing tennis, and now to see
you back wanting to strengthen your core and all of this,
it's just it's so fun for me to hear about
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all of these different things that you're doing, and the
fact that you're in this new neighborhood and meeting new people,
but also, as you mentioned, so close to this existing
social group that you have at this country club that
you've belonged to for so long. It's just it really
does seem like the perfect scenario for the two of
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you are at this point.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
And the best part was we won the family scramble
golf tournament yes the other day, and I was hitting
like like three wood am my driver like I never
did before. I'm aware it's because of the exercise classes here.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
M J. Are you getting ripped? Is that what you're
telling us?
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (25:36):
I am, so.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
Show us your guns.
Speaker 4 (25:39):
Yeah, I have.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
To work on a little more, little more.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
So, I mean this is an issue. Go ahead.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
Yeah. I mentioned that the people here are the other
residents are are truly amazing and incredible just their own
life experiences and careers. There's thirty seven retired physicians here,
you know, among the population. So he has a lot,
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a lot of free medical advice and yeah, lots of attorneys,
retired professors, were retired social workers. So it's a very
you know, vital group of people who you know we
mentioned share their their talents and their expertise. Yesterday we
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went to a lecture that one of the residents did
and it's going to be a ten part series on
Gilbert and Sullivan and he's going through I guess he
wrote ten operas and he's going to go through eight
of them. A couple he said he didn't like, so
he didn't wasn't going to talk about them. And then
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this afternoon another resident is going to be talking about
the uh refurbished Strict Museum in the city. She's doing
a two parts a lecture today and Friday. And it's
just that's just an example of opportunities that are afforded
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to us. So, as Mary Jane said, you know, we
could be busy every minute of the day between the
exercise classes and the lectures.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
And we have a docent at the museum.
Speaker 4 (27:29):
Museum of Natural History who takes groups in every Friday
either to the museum or to the Hayden planetary on
a bus that that brought you provide. It just really
is endless.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Yes, well you are in a group that is, you know,
only growing your boomers, right.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Yes, no, we just just barely forty Yeah, we're I
think forty six.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
Okay, millions of people are facing the same decisions that
you face. Would you encourage others to make a move
now that you've had time to settle in, to make
a move like you did to be close to young
people and have this intergenerational experience.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Definitely. I mean it's a privilege. Really, we feel very
privileged to live here. Like I said, we were early
in the picking out our villo. Yeah, I think the
best villain ever here, added a deck outside, We have
our grill outside, you know, we just everything about it
is lovely. And then being near the students and I know,
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getting a better merger of the two us and the
students will happen over time as they we grow and
get more involved with the students too. Yeah, it's a
privilege to be here. I really feel that way.
Speaker 4 (29:00):
The other thing that we didn't mention is that this
community also affords different levels of care, So there is
an assisted living unit that's also it's actually attached to
the clubhouse about thirty six beds and there's also a
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memory carry you on a thirty two beds. So yeah,
if those services are needed down the line, we would
certainly have a priority for moving in into them we needed.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Gives you a piece of mind and I know your
kid's peace of mind to know you'd be right where
you need to be. Well. I can't thank you enough
for sharing with us what initially apparently took your son
a little bit by surprise that you had this all
figured out. And we we loved hearing about your experience
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and wish you continued good health. And I want you
to ace your next course that you take.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
Thank you and.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Show us the transcript.
Speaker 4 (30:09):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
We look forward to Dave. Do you have any advice
for your folks about doing their homework?
Speaker 3 (30:16):
You know what showing up is three quarters of the battle? Yeah,
thank you, and they're doing that.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
And Dave, I know we're gonna let you go because
I know you're working on a new project which you
can't talk about yet, but something to follow on this project,
which is a fantastic book that actually shares with actors
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directors what they felt was their sort of most significant
Oscar moment, right.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
That's right. The book Fifty Oscar Nights had new interviews
with fifty Oscar winners that I did from Jane Fonda,
Sally Field, Elden, John John Legend, Jennifer Hudson, Julie Roberts.
And they tell me the story of the day that
they won their oscar, from the moment they woke up
to the moment they went to bed. What do they
remember about that day? Where do they keep their oscar?
Speaker 2 (31:12):
Now?
Speaker 3 (31:12):
What does it mean to them? I've got my own
right here, but yes, as well you should. Book number
two is on the way, and I look forward to
telling you all about it.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Carter family, thank you so much. We really appreciate you
joining life on expectancy.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
I just wanted to mention that we failed to mention
that we begged and cajoled Dave to do a presentation
to the residence here in September potential oscar found that
will be released late inlat summer.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Is he charging you an exorbitant fee for that?
Speaker 2 (31:49):
He tried, and then we reminded him how much we
spent on his life, you know, get him through college.
Solgy renamed that's true.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
Look Doke Education, We'll get you.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
It will.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
All right. All the best day with your next project,
and Tom and MJ have a great day.
Speaker 4 (32:10):
Thanks for joining us, absolutely, thanks for having us. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
Dave's latest book, Fifty Movie Nights Contemporary Stars on their
favorite classic film, will be out September fifteenth. Today's episode
was executive produced by Nony Kolata. Our researcher is Will Thompson,
our editor Mike Hurst, and as always, our thanks to
singer songwriter Pat Byrne for our theme music. Yes
When I first took a buyout at NBC after a
decade at their own stations in DC and Philadelphia, viewers
and friends were so kind. They were sending me all
kinds of messages of congratulations on your retirement, or asking
me in person, so, how's retirement, Jim, as if I'd
suddenly entered some exclusive Seiger's club and they wanted to
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know what it was like. What they didn't realize is
that I had zero intention of actually retiring. At that point.
I had to explain, you know, I'm not retiring, I'm
just pivoting to the next chapter. And I secretly liked
the unexpectancy of it all. See what I did there.
So the truth was, I was really anxious to get
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back to my native New York to be closer to family.
With those ten years in other markets and many many
other years in other markets as well, my dad at
ninety five fines family time especially important right now. As
a role model, my own dad didn't really fully retire
until about the age of eighty five. He was running
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all over the city of New York. He was in
the subway, he was walking, was very, very active. So
that's been my sort of model for what retirement looks like.
But all that talk about my supposed or assumed retirement
kind of triggered a conversation in my own head and
with my wife, with my sister, what would our retirement
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actually look like? I picture mountains, my wife pictures water.
That's about as far as we've gotten. So we have
some more work to do, some more conversations to have
on that subject. Maybe it seems far off for you,
but if you stop to think about it, what does
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all that work life lead to for you? Ultimately? What
does your retirement look like in your mind? Coming up,
we're going to meet a couple whose golden years landed
them back at college, or at least in a college
community with access to some academics, the arts, and a
kind of multi generational community. So why there, what do
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they love about it? What's missing? And what do their
kids think of their decision to sell the house and
start this life without work. Their decision actually caught their
son by surprise. He's someone you may know if especially
you are a film buff. I'm Jie Rosenfield and this
is Life an Expectancy. It's a podcast about life's sudden
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curveballs and triumphs and how to deal with them when
there is no set of instructions, I.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Guess it is.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
So, when I was an anger here in New York
City at WCBS, I think it was the late nineties,
I got a call one day from a guy who
worked as a senior writer at Entertainment Weekly. He'd written
more than fifty cover stories on actual celebrities, not local
TV anchors, stories on George Clooney, Elton, John Angelina, Jolie Taylor, Swift.
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His name is Dave Carger. He also knows all things Oscar.
He's appeared on The Today Show dozens of times, helping
viewers kind of handicap who might bring home their gold
statue in any given year. He's also a host on
Turner Classic Movies, and he's the author of a fantastic book,
Fifty Oscar Nights, iconic stars and filmmakers on their career
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defining wins. Dave and I also share something in common.
We're both DO graduates. However, Dave graduated cum Laudie. I
did not, but we don't have to go into that.
Dave Carter, Welcome to life, unexpectancy.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
Thank you so much. It's great to see you.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
So back to how we met, Dave. Why in the
world were you calling me the local anchor WCBS. Did
you think I had some celebrity scoop?
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Yeah, no, I'll embarrass you by I think it was great.
I was a few years out of Duke. I was
watching WCBS. I was I had the TV on all
the time when I was at my office at EW
and I was like, I love this guy. He's good looking, Marteleigenic.
Where did he come from? So I went and I
did a search because I wanted to see what your
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background was, and it said that you were a Duke grat.
I said, I can't believe it. He's another Duchy. And
at that time, in addition to my main job at
Entertainment Weekly, I was writing the occasional article for the
Duke Alumni magazine. So I got in touch with the
editor of the magazine, who you know on bl wise
and we already knew there was another New York based
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news anchor, Diana Williams, at the local well Agency station.
So Bob and I came up with this idea, if
you and Diana were into it, for me to write
an article about the two of you, And that was
in nineteen ninety nine, and I remember it was called
Duking it Out in New York and you and Diana
did a photo shoot together where you had boxing gloves
on and pretended to be these you know, tough rivals.
(05:20):
But I remember spending the day with you in the
CBS studio. And now in the years since, I've become
friends with your fantastic wife Dana and your sons, and
you know my partner, Terry, and it's led to this
great friendship.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
So we both grew up, Dave in the suburbs of
New York City too. You have an older brother, right,
your parents, Tom and Mary Jane better known as MJ.
And you told me they share a common passion for
really helping other people, especially young people.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Right, Yeah, that's one thing I love about my parents.
I mean, they're listening to me talk right now, but sorry,
Mom and Dad. My parents are retired social workers, different
kinds of social works, as you'll learn. My dad was
more on the executive side at a nonprofit. My mom
was a public school social worker for decades up in
Puckham County. And I've just always really respected this kind
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of shared value that they have of caring about people,
people who are less fortunate, compassion for people. And I
remember when I was young asking my parents or asking
my mom like, why do you think you guys are
together as a couple, and she said, it's our shared values.
And I didn't know what that phrase meant at that time,
but over the years now I understand what that phrase means.
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So I feel very fortunate that I grew up the
son of social workers, because I think it's imbued me
with hopefully a sense of compassion to the extent that
my parents have it as well.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
So you are, we should point out out on the
West Coast. I mean, you spent about half your year
out in California, right, and your older brother is here
on the East Coast.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
For the most part, I'm the child who's away. I'm
the child who's twenty five hundred miles apart from my parents,
whereas my brother Mike is much closer to my parents.
So I do feel a little bit removed at times
from the family, which was part of my concern as
my parents were getting older. How is that going to
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work out?
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Glad you bring that up, because there comes that time
when we begin that kind of role reversal, right, when
we start to worry about our parents versus them worrying
about us as they get perhaps closer to hitting retirement years,
what is their future going to look like for them?
So that started to creep into your concerns, your thoughts,
a little bit of worry about your folks.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
A little bit.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
I mean.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
The good news is that as you'll see, and you
know my mom and dad, you've met them before, but
you're watching and listening, we'll see my parents are eighty,
but they're very young eighty in many ways. They don't
look eighty, they don't act eighty. They are very youthful
in a lot of ways. So I think part of
me has been in a little bit of denial about
(08:02):
the fact that they're getting older, because they don't telegraph
that really in most ways. But of course I was thinking,
as you know, the last ten years went on and
my parents did retire, what's going to happen? And quite frankly,
how much of it is going to be my responsibility?
How difficult is it going to be the fact that
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I am so far away. The good thing is is
that my brother is a very reliable person, and I
always knew in the back of my mind, and if
anything were to happen, if there was anything that did
go on or needed to be helped out with, my
brother would be someone who would be there without a doubt.
But of course I did start thinking a little bit,
I wonder, what's going to happen. But this was the
surprise of it from my point of view, was to
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see how proactive, not that I really should be surprised
my parents have been about figuring out what to do,
because you do hear stories of older people who don't
want to move on, who don't want to leave the
house that they're in, who are very scared to take
that next step. So I'm very grateful that my parents
had each other, and I'm grateful that they did do
(09:08):
all this research on their own. I remember talking to
them a few years ago. I mean I say a
few years ago. This was probably six or seven years ago,
and I remember they said something to me like, oh,
we're thinking of maybe looking down in North Carolina, which
is you know, of course, where I went to school,
maybe retiring down there. And I thought, oh, that sounds interesting,
but it just didn't really feel right. And then, you know,
(09:30):
five or so years ago when they told me about
where they now live, this place called Broadview, which is
on the campus of Purchase College also known as Sunny Purchase,
and this model of retirement living where the older folks
live on the college campus in close proximity to the
college life. It just made so much sense that this
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would be something that they would do because it's a
brand new type of living situation. But it's also twenty
five minutes away from where they were already living, so
it didn't feel like that much of a pick up
and move.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
But a bit of the life on expectancy right there
when they said, we've got this all figured out and
this is what we're.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
Doing, Yeah, going back to college that way, And it
was I mean, it was a relief at the time,
and it continues to be a relief for me and
I'll speak for my brother I think as well, just
that it's taken a lot of the burden, if you will,
and onus and responsibility off of us. And but beyond that,
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it's created for them and they'll talk about it, this
new community that is so exciting and enriching to them.
And they went from living in a house that had
some land around it and they kind of knew the
people on their street. Occasionally I would hear a story
about this neighbor or that neighbor, but never got the
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sense that they were friends or close with any of
the people who lived near them. But now I'm always
hearing about this neighbor and this neighbor and this next
door person, and they're having dinner with this person. And
it's just such a new way of living for them
to have not only the friends that they already had,
who are kind of scattered all around the place, some
of them are in New York City, but now close
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friends that are right there down the street. So it's
just it's just been exciting. As much as it's been
a relief, it's also been a joy for me to
learn about all the different things that they've been down doing.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
When we come back, we're going to meet Dave's parents,
Tom and MJ, and we'll find out if being seniors
on campus is as cool as it was in their twenties.
My guess yes, Tom and MJ. Carg Welcome to life
(11:55):
on Expectancy.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Thank you, we're happy to be here.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Absolutely, you're joining us a course from your relatively new
home adjacent to the campus of purchase college at Broadview.
It's called right outside of New York City.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
Correct, Actually the full name is Broadview Senior Living.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
And now Dave gave away your ages. You're okay with that.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
That's fine.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
So as we've been researching this, Broadview is actually one
of more than eighty such developments across the country, and
this concept is reportedly one of the fastest growing segments
in the senior living industry. You guys could have gone
to Florida, Dave talked about mentioning North Carolina. You could
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have played golf somewhere Arizona. Did you two talk about
what retirement would look like. Well, before you knew about
this option, and what came up in that discussion.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Well, we because Day and you are Duke fans. We
love Duke basketball. And when we put down during to
look at that senior living, we got all excited because
we met some people who you know, they go like, yeah,
I'm a what's iron Iron Duke? And we have extra tickets.
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I don't go to all the games I'm seeing. To Tom,
come on, let's stay. We got to stay here, we
got to move here. This is great. I want to
see it. I want to be on campus in the
gym when the boys play, and so that was a temptation,
but we didn't like the format of it. Yeah, I
don't know. And I also, you know, we're New Yorkers.
(13:33):
We southern. It's still southern down there. Just I don't
do the ladies teeth things so well probably so no,
we felt that's probably not the right place.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
There was also a multi year waiting list for that
particular community.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
When we came here. A broad view you are a renter.
You do not own this place, and that became very
appealing because anything that you you know, like all the appliances,
as long as you don't upgrade. If you're using their
appliances and something goes wrong with it, they replace it.
You know, it's wonderful. We've always been homeowners, so this
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feels really luxurious to be a rencher.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
So tell me what life is like there. In other words,
the connection to purchase college. Can you take classes to
you audit them? I understand some of the mindset is
making shorter duration classes available because many people don't want
to take a full semester course. What is what's accessible
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to you there?
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Well, we took we just took modern art. You know
a couple of semesters about and it was wonderful. Tom
never took an art class in college. I have, so
it was a little redundant for me, but not that much.
So we got we went together, and now when we
go to museums, you can appreciate instead of saying, yeah,
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that's just.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
A squig or something.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
He has a better appreciation of some of the art.
So I think that's really cool. Uh, we can. Yeah,
we're going to probably take some more courses trying to
think what we were.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
We haven't we haven't seen the listing of available courses
to audit for this coming fall. But I have to
say going to class with today's college student was quite
an eye opening experience.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
How so how so?
Speaker 4 (15:31):
Well, I mean just the different kinds of behaviors of
students getting there late, leaving class in the middle of
class to text or make a phone call or something.
It just didn't quite happened in my day.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
The class we were in, how many of us were there?
Speaker 4 (15:51):
There were only five or six of us brought you
and a couple of other quote unquote older adults. But
then there were thirty five to forty twenty year olds.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
And did you feel welcomed by them. Did you feel
like you needed to sit sort of in the corner
of the room where you really felt like you were
integrating into the.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
That's court with them different because this university or school
here has commuters, a lot of commuters as well as
people on campus that live here, so you have a mix.
So they don't really know. It's not like a lot
of chatter between them when they sit down too. But no,
I got to talk to a few of the students
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and befriended them a little bit, you know, through in
the classroom, not out some of the classroom.
Speaker 4 (16:42):
I mean initially the first couple of classes, we gravitated
to the back of the classroom and then realized no
one was sitting in the front of the class. So
we know, the older folks started moving up and we're
sitting in the fat road. Yeah, it's where Jesse's happy
to sit in the back.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Well one story that it's not us, But I thought
this was so cool. One of the residents here had
a grandchild that's taking physics and what was the.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
Others it was? It was a physics and calculates.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Oh, calculous. So he decided he would not only just audit,
but he actually took it for credit and you know,
to compete with his grandchild. And I asked him at
the end of the semester, well, how'd you do? I
got two a's, he.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
Said, oh so nice.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
It was also a bonding and experience for them. Yeah,
I could study together.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
And wow, yeah it's fantastic.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
It wasn't us.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
So when I when I left CBS, I did a
fellowship on the Duke campus, actually lived on campus for
a semester, and I remember, you know, walking through the
quad and feeling like I was twenty again. You know,
no time had passed, except you realize to the student body,
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you look like a professor, probably a very long tenured professor,
not a frat bro anymore. And it really marked the
passage of time for me in a way. Did you
or do you ever get that feeling of the passage
of time being on a college campus like that? And
is that awkward at all or is it a good feeling?
Speaker 2 (18:28):
Well, I guess that's next. I think the students were
the ones that had more trouble thinking about hanging out
with us than we did hang out with them. In fact,
we had the first year we were here and this
past year in the fall students, there's a lot you know,
it's a performing arts community here, so they are some
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of them want to be a film directors or writers whatever,
So they've used our house because first last year somebody asked,
I'm that student because I'm very off with LGBT two
kids around here at this campus has a lot of
queer children here, youth. So he came over and used
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our villa to film and the word got out. And
then this past year a young lady came and asked
if she could film here as well. So we've had
people coming into our villa. They call them villas, a
free standing place that we have. It's like nineteen hundred
square feet, two bedrooms. I mean, it's perfect. So yeah,
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we've gotten to know some of the students that way.
I think we scare some of the some of the
students when they see us, but they're trying to blend
us more, bringing more programmatic stuff over to us. And
we have a nice large rule like a theater kind
of things, so you know, they bring students over the
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same or some performances, so they're getting to know us.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Do you can you eat in the dining hall, or
do we is that it can our residents allowed to
do that, to have their meals on campus if they
so choose.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Now we have a totally separate we are adjacent our community,
and that's a forty six villains and the number of
two and twenty or something apartments and attached to the
apartments because you could live in the apartments and never
go outside in your life. Because there's fitness room, there's
a pool, aerobic kind of class, a weight room, all
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these great spaces that you can utilize. But there's also
what's seven hundred dollars per person food want so that
you and they have a restaurant at least two different
venues of restaurants that you can go to for lunch
and dinner if you like.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
You mentioned the meal charge, and I just wonder general,
I mean, we don't have to get into the nitty
gritty of the numbers. You also mentioned you're actually renting
your unit. How affordable is this because I know there's
a wide range of obviously senior living kinds of situations,
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some that require you to basically kind of turn over
your life savings. What's your take on how accessible this
is to the general community. Tom and MJ.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
This is a this is really considered a high end community.
On the other hand, because it's on New York State
Land and the community which is run by an organization
called Life Care Services, which is based out of Des Moines,
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and they operate about ninety something similar facilities throughout throughout
the country, not all of course on college campus, but
because we're on state land, twenty percent of the units
had to fit into what's considered the affordable category, so
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that people had to have meet a income requirement. On
the other hand, in order to get in, they had
to have enough capital to be able to lay out
the enough funds for the mission what they call the
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admission fee or the entry fee. The good thing about
the entry fee is that ninety percent of what we
have put down as our entry fee will be returned
to us when we leave or we're here until our death,
that it will go to for our heirs or sons
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and our granddaughter.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
And now, so Davis, Dave's still in the wild.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Yeah so far.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
You know, well, they just want to double check this
podcast is now worth it. Now I have that knowledge,
so thank you.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
The other thing we didn't mention what made this very appealing.
There are a lot of things that are very appealing here.
And is that besides so many people here. I mean
it's like so busy, it's crazy, between the programmatic things
that Bribew puts out for us, the performances that even
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the people, the residents here perform. We have so many
talented people. But beyond that, we have a country club
that we belong to forever that's two miles away. So
I mean we were going like this has happened, This
is like perfect for us. Every piece of it is perfect. Yeah,
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really nice people.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
When you hear Dave, when you hear your mom saying
this is heaven, how do you feel about that?
Speaker 3 (24:06):
Well, it's back to what I said before. I mean,
it's I look at it selfishly because, as I said,
it takes a lot of the worry and responsibility off
of my shoulders. Not that I ever was that worried,
because my parents are so on it and with it
and responsible, but it's this added joy of everything that
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this new situation has brought to their lives that they
didn't have. I mean, I hear my mom telling me
about these workout classes that she's doing, you know, like
chair workouts and I remember as a kid, Mom, you
were always jogging and playing tennis, and now to see
you back wanting to strengthen your core and all of this,
it's just it's so fun for me to hear about
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all of these different things that you're doing, and the
fact that you're in this new neighborhood and meeting new people,
but also, as you mentioned, so close to this existing
social group that you have at this country club that
you've belonged to for so long. It's just it really
does seem like the perfect scenario for the two of
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you are at this point.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
And the best part was we won the family scramble
golf tournament yes the other day, and I was hitting
like like three wood am my driver like I never
did before. I'm aware it's because of the exercise classes here.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
M J. Are you getting ripped? Is that what you're
telling us?
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (25:36):
I am, so.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
Show us your guns.
Speaker 4 (25:39):
Yeah, I have.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
To work on a little more, little more.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
So, I mean this is an issue. Go ahead.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
Yeah. I mentioned that the people here are the other
residents are are truly amazing and incredible just their own
life experiences and careers. There's thirty seven retired physicians here,
you know, among the population. So he has a lot,
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a lot of free medical advice and yeah, lots of attorneys,
retired professors, were retired social workers. So it's a very
you know, vital group of people who you know we
mentioned share their their talents and their expertise. Yesterday we
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went to a lecture that one of the residents did
and it's going to be a ten part series on
Gilbert and Sullivan and he's going through I guess he
wrote ten operas and he's going to go through eight
of them. A couple he said he didn't like, so
he didn't wasn't going to talk about them. And then
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this afternoon another resident is going to be talking about
the uh refurbished Strict Museum in the city. She's doing
a two parts a lecture today and Friday. And it's
just that's just an example of opportunities that are afforded
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to us. So, as Mary Jane said, you know, we
could be busy every minute of the day between the
exercise classes and the lectures.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
And we have a docent at the museum.
Speaker 4 (27:29):
Museum of Natural History who takes groups in every Friday
either to the museum or to the Hayden planetary on
a bus that that brought you provide. It just really
is endless.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Yes, well you are in a group that is, you know,
only growing your boomers, right.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Yes, no, we just just barely forty Yeah, we're I
think forty six.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
Okay, millions of people are facing the same decisions that
you face. Would you encourage others to make a move
now that you've had time to settle in, to make
a move like you did to be close to young
people and have this intergenerational experience.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Definitely. I mean it's a privilege. Really, we feel very
privileged to live here. Like I said, we were early
in the picking out our villo. Yeah, I think the
best villain ever here, added a deck outside, We have
our grill outside, you know, we just everything about it
is lovely. And then being near the students and I know,
(28:45):
getting a better merger of the two us and the
students will happen over time as they we grow and
get more involved with the students too. Yeah, it's a
privilege to be here. I really feel that way.
Speaker 4 (29:00):
The other thing that we didn't mention is that this
community also affords different levels of care, So there is
an assisted living unit that's also it's actually attached to
the clubhouse about thirty six beds and there's also a
(29:22):
memory carry you on a thirty two beds. So yeah,
if those services are needed down the line, we would
certainly have a priority for moving in into them we needed.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Gives you a piece of mind and I know your
kid's peace of mind to know you'd be right where
you need to be. Well. I can't thank you enough
for sharing with us what initially apparently took your son
a little bit by surprise that you had this all
figured out. And we we loved hearing about your experience
(29:59):
and wish you continued good health. And I want you
to ace your next course that you take.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
Thank you and.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Show us the transcript.
Speaker 4 (30:09):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
We look forward to Dave. Do you have any advice
for your folks about doing their homework?
Speaker 3 (30:16):
You know what showing up is three quarters of the battle? Yeah,
thank you, and they're doing that.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
And Dave, I know we're gonna let you go because
I know you're working on a new project which you
can't talk about yet, but something to follow on this project,
which is a fantastic book that actually shares with actors
(30:44):
directors what they felt was their sort of most significant
Oscar moment, right.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
That's right. The book Fifty Oscar Nights had new interviews
with fifty Oscar winners that I did from Jane Fonda,
Sally Field, Elden, John John Legend, Jennifer Hudson, Julie Roberts.
And they tell me the story of the day that
they won their oscar, from the moment they woke up
to the moment they went to bed. What do they
remember about that day? Where do they keep their oscar?
Speaker 2 (31:12):
Now?
Speaker 3 (31:12):
What does it mean to them? I've got my own
right here, but yes, as well you should. Book number
two is on the way, and I look forward to
telling you all about it.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Carter family, thank you so much. We really appreciate you
joining life on expectancy.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
I just wanted to mention that we failed to mention
that we begged and cajoled Dave to do a presentation
to the residence here in September potential oscar found that
will be released late inlat summer.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Is he charging you an exorbitant fee for that?
Speaker 2 (31:49):
He tried, and then we reminded him how much we
spent on his life, you know, get him through college.
Solgy renamed that's true.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
Look Doke Education, We'll get you.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
It will.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
All right. All the best day with your next project,
and Tom and MJ have a great day.
Speaker 4 (32:10):
Thanks for joining us, absolutely, thanks for having us. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
Dave's latest book, Fifty Movie Nights Contemporary Stars on their
favorite classic film, will be out September fifteenth. Today's episode
was executive produced by Nony Kolata. Our researcher is Will Thompson,
our editor Mike Hurst, and as always, our thanks to
singer songwriter Pat Byrne for our theme music. Yes
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