October 28, 2024 • 47 mins
Can embracing vulnerability transform your life and parenting? This week, we welcome the insightful Marcus Aurelius Higgs, a seasoned educator and transformational coach, who takes us on a journey through his multicultural experiences in teaching and the profound lessons in human development and communication he has gathered along the way. From his time at Oakwood University to his ventures in South Korea, Saudi Arabia, Spain, and Thailand, Marcus delves into the importance of understanding human growth and fostering effective communication between children and parents. We even pause for a grounding meditation exercise, reminding us of the power of mindfulness in our everyday lives.
Navigating through the intricate realms of spirituality, identity, and cancel culture, Marcus offers a wealth of wisdom on how young people transition from dependence to independence, tackling issues like emotional management and collaborative mistrust. We discuss the significance of reconnecting with our true selves to heal from past traumas and the pivotal role of respecting diverse perspectives. Marcus's "Show Up" framework emerges as a vital tool for parents and individuals to build strong identities and cultures within their homes, advocating for vulnerability, accountability, and creativity.
As we wrap up, we explore the evolving role of technology in our lives, comparing social media's impact to historical innovations and its potential to either isolate or connect us. Marcus encourages us to be intentional with our online presence, promoting introspective and healing content amidst the fear-driven narratives. We close with a reflective exercise, prompting listeners to embrace unstructured play and consider the advice they'd give their younger selves. This episode is a rich tapestry of insights aimed at fostering a happier, more fulfilled life through conscious connection and personal growth.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Welcome to the Lift One Self podcast.
I'm Nat Nat and I am here withMarcus and I would appreciate,
marcus, if you can let thelisteners know a little bit
about yourself while letting meknow a little bit about yourself
.
I know, before we startedrecording, we were really
engaging in some in-depthconversation, so I know that
(00:24):
this conversation is going to beplayful and, you know, deep,
and I know the listeners aregoing to get a lot of wisdom and
also some tools.
And being a parent, as you know, you just saw a bit in my
background of what I have to gothrough with the twins, a bit in
(00:48):
my background of what I have togo through with the twins, you
know it's we tend to want to beperformative, yet when we can be
real with people and really seethe data is in and day out, it
makes it much more a betterspace, a safer space for us to
grow.
So if you can let the listenersknow a little bit about
yourself and let myself know alittle bit about you, it's
wonderful to be here, nat.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Nat, so nice, you say it twice.
Two things I want to touch onright before you go there.
I love how you said play,because play is self-directed
joy, right, yeah, and we don'tgive ourselves enough places to
play as adults.
Just have some joy and let itbe self-directed.
And the second thing was Iforgot but we'll get back to it
(01:32):
I am Marcus Aurelius Higgs.
That is my birth name, mymother's from the Philippines
and my father is from theBahamas, and the reason I bring
that up is because I deal withfamilies where there's
multicultural bridges.
Let's say I deal with a lot ofdifferent families.
I studied communication atOakwood University in Huntsville
(01:53):
, alabama.
I was born in California and Igrew up in the Bahamas and again
, that comes into themulticultural part of that of
what I do, multicultural part ofthat of what I do.
Straight away from graduating Iwent to South Korea where I
served as an English missionaryteacher and the reason I'm
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bringing up spirituality isbecause that's a big part of a
sincere part of my life and Isay my understanding of the
divine grew while I was thereand I came out of the mission
field but continued teachingbecause I love people and I
don't love your children as muchas you do.
So that informs why I do thework I do.
I was in the classroom as anEnglish language arts teacher in
(02:37):
grade 12, grade 9, and then forfraternity leave for a friend I
I did some grade five work andthese are the conversations I
would have inside the classroomUnderstanding human development.
I remember I came out of classone time in grade 12 and I told
my chairperson this feels liketherapy sometimes, right, and he
(02:57):
said, marcus, that's why it'scalled the humanities.
We're teaching them how to behuman, and that's so true.
With communication, with myinternational travel I taught in
Saudi Arabia, in Spain, inThailand and in South Korea
(03:24):
notice of overlapping and whathappens in human development,
and what I do istransformational coaching with
the parent.
I work with the parent for thething that's most relevant to
them, which is their child, andthat's that's.
That's what I do.
We can get into it deeper as towhy this age and, um, why I
necessarily do, but that's a,that's a basic overview.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Okay, I have a lot of drift-offs that I want to go
with that.
First, would you be inmeditation so that we can ground
ourselves in our breath andmeet each other in this moment,
so that we can continue on?
Yes, if I might lead or do youwant to leave?
(04:07):
I can leave, that's what.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
I heard Okay, I'll follow your lead.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Okay, okay, and as a listener is always here, safety
first.
Most people listen to a podcastwhile they're driving, so
please do not close your eyeswhen I give the prompt.
Yet the other ones you're ableto do with whatever you're doing
at the moment.
So, marcus, I'll ask you to getcomfortable and you're going to
gently close your eyes andyou're going to begin breathing
(04:38):
in and out through your nose andyou're going to bring your
awareness to watching yourbreath go in and out through
your nose.
You're not going to try andcontrol your breath.
You're just going to let theawareness watch the rhythm of
your breath, allowing you tocome into your body.
There may be some feelings orsensations coming up.
(05:04):
It's okay, let them come up.
You're safe to feel.
You're safe to let go,surrender the need to control,
release the need to resist andjust be, be with your breath,
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drop into your body by now.
There may be some thoughts ormemories that have popped up.
It's okay.
Gently bring your awarenessback to your breath, creating
space between the awareness andthe thoughts.
Just continue watching thebreath go in and exhale out
(05:56):
again.
There may be some thoughts orto-do lists that have popped up.
It's okay, bring that awarenessback to your breath, dropping
deeper into your body, creatingthat space between the awareness
and the thoughts.
Now, while still staying withyour breath, at your own time
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and at your own pace, you'regoing to gently open your eyes,
while staying with the breath.
How's your heart doing?
Speaker 2 (06:44):
my heart is full, my heart is well, yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
So I started implementing these meditations
in my podcast about a year ago.
I wanted to model the thingsthat I know are beneficial, and
I think a lot of people have thewrong definition of meditation.
They think it's supposed tostop your mind and be quiet and
not have any more thoughts andit's like nope, that's not what
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meditation does.
It's that you won't beidentified with those thoughts
and I think also, too, you knowwhen we're saying something to
do it, it's like, well, whydon't we join it?
Why don't we implement it inthe everyday?
Rather than telling people,this is what you should do,
let's actually incorporate it inour ways of communicating and
(07:31):
being amongst each other.
There's an in-depth ofspirituality when you go into
meditation, and in the silenceand the stillness there's so
much that's communicated thatour language can't even access.
So before we got into themeditation, you gave us your
(07:51):
beautiful description and youare rich, you are wealthy in
experiences and, oh my gosh,anybody that gets to be around
you.
They have no idea of what youget to impart with them, to
teach in so many differentcultures.
It's a lot, because you have toadapt and adjust in so many
(08:13):
different ways of how do we meetthese individuals and how do we
create that education and thatawareness you mentioned about?
You work with parents andwhatever the thing is with the
child and I heard child yet Iwonder sometimes if they
recognize the inner child thatthey have.
(08:36):
And do you work in that waythat sometimes, yes, I'm going
to play with the human that theysee in front of them, yet also
they actually have to see thelittle child that's inside them.
That may be, you know,distorting their perception of
things and not being able torelate with their child because
(08:56):
they have their inner stuffthat's blocking things.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Yeah, that's a beautiful question.
We are the stories we tellourselves.
So there has to be thatunderstanding of your history,
so to say.
And one nuance where I look at,let's use the word trauma.
It can be a loaded word, butfor me what trauma means is the
stresses of the past that you'venot processed in the present.
So it's some blockage in thepresent moment because of
(09:21):
something that happened in thepast that you've not processed
in the present.
So it's some blockage in thepresent moment because of
something that happened in thepast that you've not processed.
And one other point worthmaking is it's never the thing,
it's our relation to the thing,and we explore that.
(09:41):
I really do believe this comesfrom the conscious parenting
movement that kids are given tous that we might understand
ourselves, and from the Delphiit's know thyself and you'll
understand the secrets of godsand men.
We are trying to bring forththe greatness.
That's what the etymology ofparenting and education means.
The root of the word means tobring forth, and in bringing
(10:05):
that forth that is effortful.
There's a study that saysparents are less happy than
single people Well, hold on,hold on, I'm not finished.
And they live more meaningfullives.
And one definition ofmeaningfulness is to see a great
greatness and to understandyou're part of that greatness,
and that's something that singlepeople don't experience
regularly.
(10:25):
There are other places to findit, but when you're part of that
greatness and that's somethingthat single people don't
experience regularly there areother places to find it.
But when you're a parent andsomething has come out of you,
looking like you and is lookingto you to survive, and then you
have to make sacrifices, that'sone definition of love.
You initiate the well-being ofanother thing, Oftentimes not
looking for anything in return.
(10:45):
That is yeah, To answer yourquestion.
Yes, we need to understand youas it relates to the world.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
And I do understand the parent identity.
It doesn't like to be attackedor told.
So there's a gentle way of,yeah, to approach that because,
um, you know, it's much moreeasier, even in our own inner
work.
It's much more easier to blameon the outside rather than look
(11:16):
within and we think that, okay,well, the other people need to
change.
But really, when you startdoing your inner work, it's like
change is only within yourselfand the only thing that you can
control is within your own self,and a lot of times you're not
even able to control yourselfand the things that happen or
your behavior or emotionalresponses.
So why, you know, I always sayit's the Kool-Aid that parents
(11:39):
drink, that they think they cancontrol the little human that's
in front of them rather thanhave better understanding of
what's autonomy and how to helpthem develop their skills to
live in a world that we can nolonger relate to.
Because what I you know thelisteners know that I have 14
year old twin boys.
The world that they live in istotally different than when I
(12:02):
was 14, live in is totallydifferent than when I was 14,
even different to what my29-year-old was when he was 14.
Technology has changed thingsso drastically, even since COVID
happened.
These past four years, thingshave pivoted in such a way that
it's like and to use thenarrative of well back in my day
(12:23):
, it doesn't help you to relateto what they're going through.
So could you give a little bitof a description of what this
work is, that you do withparents and how to support them
with their children?
Speaker 2 (12:40):
so if to give some more perspective to what you
said, I would say yes, and inthat that there are some
fundamental things that haven'tchanged throughout the
generations, going backthousands of years.
And then there are challengesfor this generation.
Yeah, and where would we start?
(13:01):
Let's start with jonathanheight's book, right nowious
Generation, with the onset ofscreens and social media, what
that's doing to the narrativesin people's heads.
We are the stories we tellourselves and our identity.
My work is strongly based onidentity and the framework that
I have, the show up framework,because all behavior comes from
identity and I believe, allthrough life.
(13:22):
Life is asking us who are you?
We answer I am, and we answerthat through stressors.
Yeah, right, in a growthmindset.
You don't know what's a growthor a fixed mindset until it's
challenged.
Or, like Mike Tyson says,everybody has a plan until you
get punched in the mouth and youfigure out who you are.
(13:53):
So that's the unique challengeof this age.
Um, the social disconnectionthrough social media.
There's not that face-to-faceconnection where oxytocin and
endorphins are released througheye-to-eye contact and
flesh-to-flesh contact.
So there have been thosedigital boundaries, if you will,
that have been set up.
That's another challenge ofthis time and when we're
speaking about in ourscreen-filled world, when those
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screens close because we'reforming our identities on the
back end of it, in social media,and we say, oh yeah, I'm part
of this tribe, I'm part of thistribe.
When they close, the questionis, who am I?
And if we can't answer that, wecan't meet the stressors of
life for the challenges of life.
So that's, that's thechallenges for this generation.
And and there was a delineationI think it was 2012 where we
(14:39):
saw, oh yeah, we see this up,uptick in mental well-being or
the lack thereof, so we canmeasure it Now, what has been
for traditions?
Other people matter,relationships, another point
worth noting and I'm starting anew program in regards to this,
(15:02):
because this is where I again,like I said, spirituality is a
big part of my life.
Uh, lisa miller's work, ifyou're not familiar with her,
dive into her world.
She wrote the awakened childand the awakened brain, and it's
scientific based understandingof what spirituality is.
And all of us are spiritualbeings.
(15:23):
Cs lewis said we're spiritualbeings having a human experience
as opposed to humans having aspiritual experience.
Now there is spirituality,there's a blend of it with
spirituality and religion, andthen there's religion, and
religion is just the environmentand the rituals and so on, but
there's an understanding beyondus, whereas we are connected.
That is our sovereignbirthright and I'm BYOB in the
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work that I do bring your ownbeliefs, as I've studied and
taught in many different I'veseen I've seen a-holes in all
walks of faith and I've seenbeautiful people in all walks of
faith.
And you know I say a-holesplayfully, but I mean
everybody's going through theirown challenge.
And you know I say ailsplayfully, but I mean
everybody's going through theirown challenge.
And just as there's 7 billiondifferent people on this world,
there's 7 billion differentunderstandings of the divine,
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the higher, even if you'reagnostic or atheist, I can make
an argument for us to beconnected to something greater,
which is the person across fromus.
While we're still delineated,we're still connected and in
understanding that that's whereour well-being comes from.
So kids are looking for that andand the reason I work with this
age is it's going fromindependence to sorry, from
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dependent into independence, andthat's where the first breaking
I call it goes.
The first breaking is their newroles.
Who am I?
So?
Um, there's identity breaking.
Then there's collaborativemistrust.
I don't know who to partnerwith while I'm trying to
navigate and figure this out.
Ideally the parent is there asa trustworthy advisor, and then
(16:55):
E is emotional management.
It's a wall of ICE I-C-EIdentity breaking, collaborative
mistrust, and then E isemotional management.
The highs are highs and thelows are lows, and biologically
it is supposed to be like that,because it's teaching us, it's
putting us on high alert to seewhat is safe in this world.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
As we're trying to navigate and figure it out.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
Yeah, in my work I really educate people about
their nervous system.
I understand that some peoplefeel like it's too academic,
it's too scientific, it's toobig and it's like this is
something that every individualis riding in.
It's a car vehicle that you'reriding in and if you don't
understand your own vehicle andwhat it needs, then you're
(17:51):
trying to put parts of a Hondainto a Porsche and it's not
going to work Because that's,you know, it's really having to
understand your own biology and,as you mentioned, the trauma
you know, really understand howthose experiences have shaped
your nervous system and how youcan reshape it.
Because the title of you can'tteach old dogs new trick is just
some BS of not wanting to doyour own inner work because it
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feels too intimidating or youhaven't been given the space to
really accept yourself of yourfullness, of who you are Like.
A lot of times, you know, forhealing people will be like, oh,
you're going to create a newperson.
It's like, no, healing is abouttaking those layers of pain to
be the great person you alreadyare inside.
You've just been separated fromthat.
(18:35):
You've just not been able.
You've been so much into theouter world, of this dimension,
of this world looking for you,validate me, you tell me what my
identity is.
You tell me where the steps Ineed to get to to get that
safety and security and success,rather than listening to this
inner world and trustingyourself.
In a world that keeps tellingyou you're not good enough or
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you don't have the right tools,it's difficult to know how to
trust yourself.
So I'm thankful for the workthat you're providing for the
young ones at a youngfundamental that there's a
different way of being able to,you know, do the journey of life
, because life is impermanentand there's some big experiences
that happen.
And it's like, well, how do I,you know, understand all of this
(19:21):
?
Like, give me verbiage andlanguage to be able to walk this
place and for the parents tofinally have some language.
Because when I came into therealization that I have no idea
how to parent these twinsbecause before I thought I, you
know, I drank the Kool-Aid andparent knows everything and it's
like how can you know how toreally fully parent an
(19:45):
individual that you haven'treally explored, to know how
their personality is developing,how they think, how they see
things, not just pushing all ofmy agenda on them and that space
of.
I don't know.
It's relieving but it's alsointimidating, because then the
fear of society and you know theparent has to get this all in
(20:07):
place for their child and it'slike, oh my gosh, but really
it's very empowering to be inthat, I don't know, yet very
intimidating.
You mentioned um lisa.
What's her last name?
Speaker 2 (20:19):
miller miller dr lisa miller from canada, columbia do
you know?
Speaker 1 (20:24):
uh, dr shefali.
Okay, have you worked with drshefali?
Speaker 2 (20:30):
no, no, no, no, no.
Not like I know them with theirwork.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
I've read their books and, yeah, no well, I worked
alongside, I did some events andstuff, hosted some events for
dr shefali and did some of hercourses.
So that language of Lisa Milleris very, very current, like has
the awaken and all these things.
(20:54):
So I'm like it's the sameconscious kind of language and
I'm thankful that there's moreand more Go ahead.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Two points I want to touch on here.
One is the idea ofintrospection that you mentioned
.
Because of our screens, ourawareness is being constantly
pulled away from the inside ofus.
There's an initiative insideEurope called well.
It's a global initiative thatstarted in Sweden called the
Inner Development Goals, andit's bringing our awareness back
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to our insides, because that'swhat feelings are.
Feelings are saying how are weinterfacing with our world?
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Or emotions.
Rather, you are the universeexperiencing itself.
But because we're not taughtthese skills of introspection at
a young age, as we progress inlife, really, who are we?
Who am I?
Where is the trust?
Do I actually know what's inthere?
We're apprehensive to go inside.
So that's one point I wanted tohighlight.
(21:49):
I'm not making a point, butjust highlighting that, yeah,
that's a challenge of this age.
The second one is and this isfrom some of his work in the 50s
or so on, we took spiritualityout of the public discourse in
America and it's because I canhold a spiritual belief, you can
hold a spiritual belief and Ican hold respect for you, and it
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doesn't have to be salvific.
You know what I mean.
It's like when we canunderstand this, I can
understand your value and youcan understand my value, and we
don't have to be at each other'sthroats or some people.
Easier said than done and Iunderstand that.
But let's see the humanity ineach other first and the whole
point of taking spirituality outof the human discourse.
(22:32):
We live in a materialisticworld and there's nothing wrong
with the pursuit of success, butthen in the pursuit of that,
with the understanding of beingconnected to other people in
something greater.
People are living lessmeaningful lives, which
contributes to the growingdepression, which contributes to
the growing loneliness, thedisconnectedness.
Um, yeah, that's why I do feelcalled to to create more
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discourse around spiritualityand, as you understand it, you
know, I just want to highlightthose two, yeah, and I'm
thankful that you understand it,you know.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
I just want to highlight those two yeah, and
I'm thankful that you brought upyou know where spirituality,
you know, came out of theeducation system.
It's, you know.
I use the analogy because I'mvery visual, so I like to give
visuals for people to betterrelate to something that might
be a little nuanced.
I'm like, okay, imagine we'reall at a table and we're all
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eating food, yet you're eatingit with your hands.
I'm eating with a knife andfork, this one's eating with
chopsticks and that one's eatingwith a spoon.
Are we going to criticize themethod in how we're eating this
food, or can we sit around thistable and allow each other to
eat in the way that we can andshare our experiences?
And perhaps maybe now I,instead of my knife and fork,
(23:47):
I'll engage in eating it with myhand.
But we're all consuming thefood and we all come at it in a
different way.
So why are we now going andtaking the king of the hill?
My way is the only way, and ifyou don't do it this way, you're
not doing it the right way, andthat's where the division and
separation comes from.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
Can I extend that metaphor?
I've noticed, and you put it inyour pocket for later it's
yours.
I noticed with this generationthey're apprehensive to bring
awareness of the person eatingwith their foot or with the
chopsticks.
And because and I'll explain it, this metaphor just pulling on
a thread, but, and there arepeople who eat with their feet,
(24:28):
you know what I mean, becausethey may not have arms, but they
feel as though if we mentionedthat, it's somewhat looking down
at them.
It's like no, no, you're notlooking down at them, you're
just stating the obvious thatthey have to eat with their feet
.
This person has to eat withchopsticks.
And mentioning something is notcreating conflict.
No, and because I love peoplefor those who are listening, I
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am sun-kissed, with brown skin,but I love people who whisper
the word black as if it'ssomething wrong to say.
It's like no, no, we can speakabout racial things and it's not
racist, it's just acknowledgingwhat it is.
And you can still hold peoplein dignity while speaking about
what is and there will be pointsof contention.
In all relationships.
(25:11):
There's tension or conflict,but that doesn't define the
relationship.
What defines it is how wemanage the conflict and if again
, I can hold myself in dignitymeans that I hold you in dignity
, like we can go so much further, but but people are
apprehensive to haveconversations because they're
like fear of offending the otherperson, and and of course we
(25:34):
can this is a whole longerconversation but offense can
only be found with me.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Like there are people who have said things that are
offensive and I'm just like thatdoesn't offend me because I
know who I am exactly, and Ithink people, if they would
recognize there's alwaysconflict within yourself, like,
say, you're on a, you're like Iwant sugar, but I know it's not
good for me.
There's always conflict, butyou know how to hold the space
for both or more those thatcan't hold the space.
(26:02):
That's why they can't deal withconflict, like there's no such
thing as a world not havingconflict.
The reason why we have war isbecause they don't know how to
deal with conflict.
They don't know how to dealwith diversity, they don't know
how to deal with differentpoints of view.
They think my way is narrow andit's the only way, and that is
a very fixed mindset notallowing that growth, and it's a
(26:24):
very dysregulated nervoussystem that it's in real fear
that if it's not this way, theneverything else is evil and it's
going to harm me and whatnot.
So, like, as you can see, I'mreally.
You know the whole reason Istarted this podcast is to
remove the stigmas around mentalhealth and create dialogue like
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this, offending about everylittle thing it's like, and then
this cancel culture.
I'm like what the heck?
How are we supposed to improveif nobody's allowed to make
mistakes?
Like you're gonna dig something10, 20 years ago and be like
and if a person acknowledged itback then we still get to berate
(27:06):
them like 10 years later and belike oh no, you didn't repent
long enough and look what youdid and it's like what are we
really dating?
Speaker 2 (27:18):
I was thinking about this and this thought you just
hit me yesterday.
I've not shared it, so there'sa fresh take.
During the teenage years andadolescence, we are valors of
truth.
We're constantly because lifeis still black and white for us.
It's not until 18 where we seenuance right, and that's why,
(27:38):
around 12, we get very skeptical.
Now this is my fresh takeSocial media speeds up an idea.
Right, it doesn't mean that it'strue, it doesn't mean it's
false, it just speeds it up.
And cancel culture came aboutbecause a lot of adolescents had
(27:58):
access to phones and we can doa lot of research.
We're quick to say, no, this isnot true.
There we can invalidatesomebody, whereas adults know
life is very great, yeah, you do, yeah, you do have values and
things that are important to youand you align with people.
But, um, it's, it's, it's when.
Yeah, that's where cult cancelculture came from.
(28:19):
I believe there's a whole bunchof adolescents, people who want
to be valid of truth and I mean, yes, we want the truth, I'm
not saying we don't want thetruth.
And actually, again, this is alonger conversation, this is a
nuanced conversation, but truthis relative for different
cultures of what it means.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
And to ride on you, though ride on you when you say
adolescent, recognize somebodythat is 50 could still have an
adolescent mind.
So that's why the culture cancome, because people will think
it's only by an age number notrealizing their mind is still
very adolescent, that theyhaven't matured in certain
(28:57):
aspects.
They haven't done their innerwork to question things for
themselves, question what truthis.
And, as you said, truth is verysubjective because, depending
on culture, depending on yourexperiences, you're going to
view it in different ways andit's always going to expand.
Truth is not solid, it's verystatic.
It can always evolve and growand become different.
(29:20):
You can add on to it and becomedifferent.
You can add on to it.
There's only, you know, literaltruth that we know we're all
going to die Like this bodyaspect isn't going to live Like.
That is an absolute truth thatwe know.
Yet other things you know ifyou don't have air, well, for
how long?
Some people, maybe two minutes,other people, they've gone for
(29:42):
a very long time without it andthey're still so.
You know it's.
It depends, like you said, onthat.
But I really just wanted to comeback because a lot of people
think here adolescent, and theythink, oh, between 13 and 18
I've met some grown adolescents,yeah well and I and I've had to
work with myself too when thatlittle adolescent wants to come
(30:02):
out and it's like whoa, wematured now that people are so
(30:25):
impulsive that even our newsdon't even fact check anymore.
They're so quick to be the firstone that it's like who are we
trusting now with information?
Because everybody just wantsthat acknowledgement of look at
me, I got all I can get your,your attention and doesn't mean
that I'm going to fact check andgive you proper truth or facts.
(30:46):
I think there's a differencebetween people hear truth and
there's facts like where are thefacts to things?
And I think that's what'sreally lacking in some of our
language is let's come back togetting some facts, not just
truth of what you're feeling orthe emotions and stuff like that
, but not by it's creating moredialogue now and slowing down,
(31:10):
like we're in so muchcompetition with technology that
technology was supposed tosimplify our lives, not speed us
up, that we're so impulsive andwe don't know how to rest.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
You know if I may share another perspective with
you.
Yes, so technology speeds upconsciousness or the flow of
information.
Um, the same arguments thatwere made about social media
today, and that it separates usand that it gives us too much
(31:43):
leisure time without focus onother people.
Same thing was said about TV.
It was said about the radio.
It was said about the printingpress.
When it came about, theprinting press was of the devil,
because people would be busyreading books now and they won't
be able to go out andexperience the land and other
people.
So technology is the mediumyeah it's.
(32:07):
What do we do with that medium?
Because now, I mean, we'recommunicating over technology
and I don't think you're aperson waving your fist at
computers, but what it comesdown to is, as a creator, as a
sovereign person, what do youwant?
Yeah, and at my core, I reallydo want the well-being of you,
the well-being of your sons, thewell-being of those audience
(32:29):
listening, like I really do wantthat, because as a community is
made greater, like I, there's aresonance that creates around
the world that will eventuallycontribute to my well-being.
I believe you are meexperiencing life from a
different perspective.
We are very separate, but weare also bringing a vibe and we
are also bringing a vibe.
(32:50):
So I now I said all of that toto create this With the advent
of AI.
I believe it's going to free upa lot of time to some of the
other work we're doing is BS,bad stuff and it's going to
allow us to actually, like mychairperson said, figure out
(33:12):
what it means to be human.
We're going to see whatconnectedness is.
We're going to see what itmeans.
We're going to actually look atwhat do I want, and I align
with people who want well-being.
I know different people goabout it and do it different
ways and they're different valuesystems.
But if that's what you want,like, I align with you and I
vibe with that.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
Yeah, exactly, and you know it's the all or nothing
that people have and it's likeeverything has it's good and
everything has it's bad.
It's depending on how you wantto perceive it.
So again, innovation, for somepeople it's the devil and it's
evil.
We cannot go into innovationbecause it's going to and it's
you haven't worked with yourfear to acknowledge and go into
(33:55):
the unknown and uncertainty.
Like when you do spirituality,you really understand the
unknown and uncertainty.
Like when you do spirituality,you really understand the
unknown and uncertainty and youunderstand you're always in it.
Yet a lot of people don't evenhave the awareness that they're
in, that they think it's allunder control because they're in
their mind, in their head, sostuck.
So social media I wanted to makemy part where I was adding
(34:17):
introspection content,self-healing content, people to
reflect within themselves andspeak about things openly of,
like our struggles and ourchallenges, so that it was very
relatable and not feeling likeit's so therapist that it's
academic and I don't know how toreally attain it, that there's
some actual practical tools thatpeople can use, because the
(34:46):
majority of what people use forsocial media is fear porn.
They know it activates thenervous system and puts in all
kinds of narrations and storiesand then, if they got your
attention, then they can controlthe narrative in you and that's
where indoctrination and allthese things happen.
So I just wanted to do my littlepart which is just a little
splinter in social media, ofadding some content that would
disrupt some of this and thatwould bring that well-being, so
(35:08):
that people could be like wait aminute, there might be
something a little bit different.
But it's not this, thisevilizing things, because social
media has brought so muchinformation that we didn't know,
like the things that are goingaround the world.
Tiktok has opened up so muchstuff for us that we're like you
can't lie to us anymore, likethis stuff is really going on,
(35:28):
even though you still want todumb us down with this.
Yet also, our brains weren'tmeant to intake all of this
information because itdysregulates, because we have a
crippling sense of helplessness,and when you have helplessness
and not able to take action withthat, it's very debilitating,
(35:48):
unless you've developed yourtools of how to be with the
helplessness and come back intothe now and take some action for
what you need to create.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
Yeah, I love listening to you because it's
well inside.
It's spurring me to have moreof a presence where I am, to be
more intentional with the vibe Iwant to create.
Online I don't necessarily jumpinto, but if there's a message
(36:19):
that I have that I want toamplify, social media is the
channel by which to do it yeahand um just set up my, my, my,
if you will, guards.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
Yeah, yeah yeah, because, um, I don't, uh, at one
point, you know, at thebeginning, because I had, when I
had the lesions I I came off ofsocial media so I unplugged
from it all because mywell-being needed me to be
within and be a parent and allthat.
And then when I came back on,it was like I saw the luring and
(36:53):
the intention of a lot ofcompanies and stuff and it was
like, well, I'm going to beintentional of what I want to
create and it can be.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
No, I was going to make an interjection there.
I heard something when you werespeaking.
We do not take expansive actionfor who we are.
First of all, we have to knowwho we are and then we, when we
fill that space because theuniverse is constantly expanding
, right, but we can't do it ifwe have resentment or if we have
(37:28):
fear.
Yeah, and resentment?
A balloons, is this video?
All right?
Um?
Resentment comes from remeaning again.
Centaur is spanish latin for tofeel, so recent art.
It means to feel again becauseyou don't get to express it.
But when we hold resentmenttowards something, we're
harboring hate and then we havefear of expansion.
(37:48):
Social media depending on ifyou're not curating the content
of your consciousness, socialmedia breeds and nurtures
resentment and hate.
It does Because it gets moreattention, and that's what the
algorithm is geared for.
It's more attention, but um, Ithat's what I heard while you're
speaking yeah thank you.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
I appreciate you uh, highlighting that for people
because you know the the nervoussystem is based out of negative
bias.
So, as you said, if there'sresentment and fear, it's like
getting activated and our workis to regulate this nervous
system so that it's not in highalert and that we can be
expansive, that we can be in thepossibilities and the abundance
(38:32):
and remind ourselves of thatand be it, not just theorize it
or intellectualize it.
It's actually the embodiment ofbeing, that of what you're
wanting to be.
Our language is so similar.
I really appreciate this deepdive because it's nice when you
can be with somebody that'sgoing to challenge and stretch,
(38:55):
to see it in a way, and thenalso, you know, reflect and
ponder so that innovation andthe growing can be there.
Because it's like I understand alot of people are very black
and white and it's like, no,like it's nuanced, like it's a
spectrum, it's not one or theother, it's all aligned and it's
(39:16):
allowing yourself to havecritical thoughts, which I'm
seeing more and more like a lotof people don't have that and
I'm like, no wonder you're not.
I guess you're not.
You know, we, we all we have toquestion our own thought
because everything is automated,so you always have to
automation of you know what'sgoing on.
(39:37):
Going on, where am I, whatwhat's guiding me, what is what
has hijacked my behavior or mythinking process or my emotional
compass?
And I know that's work, butthat's the work that we're
supposed to be engaging in.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
It's not work.
So I love words.
You probably figured.
But to critique means to hitcritical, that's what it means.
You probably figured.
But to critique means to hitcritical, that's what it means.
And we often don't engage incritical thinking because fear
of offense of the other person.
And and again it's how do youhave hard conversations while
(40:14):
holding the other person inrespect, holding their dignity?
And you can choose to leaveconversations like by all means,
but, um, you have thoseconversations by first having
them inside.
And and one metaphor that Iheard again with another table,
um, it was from, actually, lisamiller.
She said there's I can't getthe exact names, but there's a
(40:34):
person who is a person of truth,a person of intuition, a person
of mystic and a person ofsomething else, and then a
person of skepticism.
And imagine them all sitting ata table.
The table is your heart.
If we keep the skeptic at thedoor, no ideas can get in.
(40:57):
Or if you keep that personwho's always a valor of truth at
the door, no ideas can get in.
Or if you keep that personwho's always a valor of truth at
the door, no ideas can get in.
But we need to bring the ideaand put it on the table and
everybody gets a say, and thenyou, as a sovereign being, again
you get to make the decision.
But you need to look at fromall these angles and critique it
.
And now I understand.
I want to pay respect to thosewho may have ACEs or adverse
(41:20):
childhood experiencers orweren't taught the skills they
weren't supported in beingtaught this, I mean, and that's
our work to do to help people inthe community to be skilled in
this, to be supported inexploring this.
But, um, it starts with us.
It starts with the individualand let's start to have more
critical ideas, more criticalthoughts.
And if the individual and let'sstart to have more critical
(41:40):
ideas, more critical thoughts,and if you can do that, let's
start holding spaces for peopleto have critical thoughts.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
Well, I'm mindful of time.
I could talk to you for hoursand hours because I love how we
can just bounce off of eachother and share our perspectives
and share our, you know,experiences, and also what comes
up like you just shared thatsomething came up yesterday for
you and you're revealing it inreal time and that takes courage
(42:07):
, also because you didn't get toreally analyze it and see like,
oh, how are people going toperceive it or whatnot, and
that's that's the whole thing ofbeing a creative is allowing
yourself to make mistakes.
That's the whole thing of beinga creative is allowing yourself
to make mistakes but yet beingengaging.
That you know what?
I have the accountability thatif I did say something that may
(42:28):
have harmed or offended somebody, I can sit here and say you
know, I apologize, no ifs, andsor buts or trying to defend I
apologize that you felt that way, and so I really appreciate the
work that you're doing.
I appreciate you being in thislifetime with me, so that it
encourages me that I'm not alonein.
You know, the space, and thewhole reason why I called Lift
(42:51):
One Self was lifting the ego,which the ego is, the defense
mechanisms of the nervous system, protecting you from
vulnerability, yet when you'rein your vulnerability, you can
be in that oneness.
You understand that space ofsharing and that we communicate
in frequency and in energy morethan we in our language and in
(43:13):
words that man has created.
So I want to ask, cause I'msure many are like okay enough,
Nat, Nat, where do we findMarcus and what does he have to
offer?
So can you let them know whereyou are and what you have for
offerings?
Speaker 2 (43:31):
MarcusHiggscom, I'm right, when this camera goes off
, I'm recording the videos forum, for an offer of identity.
It starts with a strongidentity.
The show up framework is theframework by which I approach
the work I do, and S is itstarts with a strong identity,
letting the parent understandwho they are and creating a
(43:54):
culture of that inside the house, because in those formative
years, that's where they'retransitioning into who am I and
looking at their virtues andvalues.
This comes from VIA, virtues inaction, along with hey, what is
important to you, and I want torespect that.
So that's where they can findme, and I shall have that up two
days from when we're recordingthis, so if this is released
(44:18):
after that, it will be there.
Speaker 1 (44:20):
Okay, great, you know all of that will be in the show
notes, because I'm all aboutnetworking and for people to get
access, because the reason whyI have conversations with people
around the world is because now, with the internet, we can get
access to things that are justnot only in our place.
We can access something aroundthe world that really resonates
(44:41):
with us, that there's a modalitythat opens up that, like I can
work with this and I cancomprehend it, and then that
change can be done, becausewe're in an age where a lot of
people consume a lot of theory,yet they don't do the practical
work to actually see the change.
So, thank you for all that youdo in this world and I want to
(45:03):
know is there something that youwould like to leave the
listeners?
Speaker 2 (45:10):
There's no greater privilege than to be who you are
.
Speaker 1 (45:15):
Yes, that's true, and I have one more.
I have a reflective questionfor you.
I want to go back to your 18year old self, and you have
three words to tell your 18 yearold self to carry you along the
journey to right now.
What would those three words be?
(45:36):
What?
Speaker 2 (45:40):
would those three words be?
Love is the first one, rightNow.
Love right now.
And they did not go togetherwhen I thought of them, but I
love putting them together.
Love right now.
And when I said right, I meantright this way.
Speaker 1 (45:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (46:00):
Right Love now.
Now Right Love there you go.
Right Love now yeah.
Speaker 1 (46:11):
Any combination you want.
That yeah.
Yeah, I love it Because onceyou start doing your healing,
you see that things are reversedin your perception.
So you just got to look at itbackwards too.
So I love that that messagereally resonates and yeah, it's.
It has been amazing to connectwith you.
I hope you will come back ontothe podcast because I know
you'll have a lot more wealth ofknowledge and I think our
(46:32):
conversations can go in so manydifferent, deeper ways that I
think a lot of listeners wouldbe engaged in the conversation.
So I want to thank you forbeing here and offering your
time to us.
It's greatly appreciated.
Speaker 2 (46:49):
Thank you for sharing the platform.
It was wonderful.
It was wonderful, Nat Nat.
I love saying your name, NatNat.
Speaker 1 (46:56):
I know Some people, like I said, if you you're
playful, you'll use it.
Other people they're a littletoo serious, they're like I
can't do it.
Speaker 2 (47:02):
So it has to.
Speaker 1 (47:05):
So I'm like well, you know what you don't get to
engage in the, the playfulness.
I think, like you said, we saidat the beginning, there's not
enough playfulness for adults.
So have that unstructured playand really open up and let that
curiosity and creativity you,you know, delve in some places
that you didn't think waspossible or that you weren't
allowed.
(47:25):
You have to give yourselfpermission to play.
Speaker 2 (47:29):
That's why it's self-directed joy.
Get some joy in your life.
Let it be self-directed.
Speaker 1 (47:35):
Please remember to be kind to yourself.
Speaker 2 (47:39):
Will do
Welcome to the Lift One Self podcast.
I'm Nat Nat and I am here withMarcus and I would appreciate,
marcus, if you can let thelisteners know a little bit
about yourself while letting meknow a little bit about yourself
.
I know, before we startedrecording, we were really
engaging in some in-depthconversation, so I know that
(00:24):
this conversation is going to beplayful and, you know, deep,
and I know the listeners aregoing to get a lot of wisdom and
also some tools.
And being a parent, as you know, you just saw a bit in my
background of what I have to gothrough with the twins, a bit in
(00:48):
my background of what I have togo through with the twins, you
know it's we tend to want to beperformative, yet when we can be
real with people and really seethe data is in and day out, it
makes it much more a betterspace, a safer space for us to
grow.
So if you can let the listenersknow a little bit about
yourself and let myself know alittle bit about you, it's
wonderful to be here, nat.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Nat, so nice, you say it twice.
Two things I want to touch onright before you go there.
I love how you said play,because play is self-directed
joy, right, yeah, and we don'tgive ourselves enough places to
play as adults.
Just have some joy and let itbe self-directed.
And the second thing was Iforgot but we'll get back to it
(01:32):
I am Marcus Aurelius Higgs.
That is my birth name, mymother's from the Philippines
and my father is from theBahamas, and the reason I bring
that up is because I deal withfamilies where there's
multicultural bridges.
Let's say I deal with a lot ofdifferent families.
I studied communication atOakwood University in Huntsville
(01:53):
, alabama.
I was born in California and Igrew up in the Bahamas and again
, that comes into themulticultural part of that of
what I do, multicultural part ofthat of what I do.
Straight away from graduating Iwent to South Korea where I
served as an English missionaryteacher and the reason I'm
(02:13):
bringing up spirituality isbecause that's a big part of a
sincere part of my life and Isay my understanding of the
divine grew while I was thereand I came out of the mission
field but continued teachingbecause I love people and I
don't love your children as muchas you do.
So that informs why I do thework I do.
I was in the classroom as anEnglish language arts teacher in
(02:37):
grade 12, grade 9, and then forfraternity leave for a friend I
I did some grade five work andthese are the conversations I
would have inside the classroomUnderstanding human development.
I remember I came out of classone time in grade 12 and I told
my chairperson this feels liketherapy sometimes, right, and he
(02:57):
said, marcus, that's why it'scalled the humanities.
We're teaching them how to behuman, and that's so true.
With communication, with myinternational travel I taught in
Saudi Arabia, in Spain, inThailand and in South Korea
(03:24):
notice of overlapping and whathappens in human development,
and what I do istransformational coaching with
the parent.
I work with the parent for thething that's most relevant to
them, which is their child, andthat's that's.
That's what I do.
We can get into it deeper as towhy this age and, um, why I
necessarily do, but that's a,that's a basic overview.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Okay, I have a lot of drift-offs that I want to go
with that.
First, would you be inmeditation so that we can ground
ourselves in our breath andmeet each other in this moment,
so that we can continue on?
Yes, if I might lead or do youwant to leave?
(04:07):
I can leave, that's what.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
I heard Okay, I'll follow your lead.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Okay, okay, and as a listener is always here, safety
first.
Most people listen to a podcastwhile they're driving, so
please do not close your eyeswhen I give the prompt.
Yet the other ones you're ableto do with whatever you're doing
at the moment.
So, marcus, I'll ask you to getcomfortable and you're going to
gently close your eyes andyou're going to begin breathing
(04:38):
in and out through your nose andyou're going to bring your
awareness to watching yourbreath go in and out through
your nose.
You're not going to try andcontrol your breath.
You're just going to let theawareness watch the rhythm of
your breath, allowing you tocome into your body.
There may be some feelings orsensations coming up.
(05:04):
It's okay, let them come up.
You're safe to feel.
You're safe to let go,surrender the need to control,
release the need to resist andjust be, be with your breath,
(05:31):
drop into your body by now.
There may be some thoughts ormemories that have popped up.
It's okay.
Gently bring your awarenessback to your breath, creating
space between the awareness andthe thoughts.
Just continue watching thebreath go in and exhale out
(05:56):
again.
There may be some thoughts orto-do lists that have popped up.
It's okay, bring that awarenessback to your breath, dropping
deeper into your body, creatingthat space between the awareness
and the thoughts.
Now, while still staying withyour breath, at your own time
(06:23):
and at your own pace, you'regoing to gently open your eyes,
while staying with the breath.
How's your heart doing?
Speaker 2 (06:44):
my heart is full, my heart is well, yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
So I started implementing these meditations
in my podcast about a year ago.
I wanted to model the thingsthat I know are beneficial, and
I think a lot of people have thewrong definition of meditation.
They think it's supposed tostop your mind and be quiet and
not have any more thoughts andit's like nope, that's not what
(07:10):
meditation does.
It's that you won't beidentified with those thoughts
and I think also, too, you knowwhen we're saying something to
do it, it's like, well, whydon't we join it?
Why don't we implement it inthe everyday?
Rather than telling people,this is what you should do,
let's actually incorporate it inour ways of communicating and
(07:31):
being amongst each other.
There's an in-depth ofspirituality when you go into
meditation, and in the silenceand the stillness there's so
much that's communicated thatour language can't even access.
So before we got into themeditation, you gave us your
(07:51):
beautiful description and youare rich, you are wealthy in
experiences and, oh my gosh,anybody that gets to be around
you.
They have no idea of what youget to impart with them, to
teach in so many differentcultures.
It's a lot, because you have toadapt and adjust in so many
(08:13):
different ways of how do we meetthese individuals and how do we
create that education and thatawareness you mentioned about?
You work with parents andwhatever the thing is with the
child and I heard child yet Iwonder sometimes if they
recognize the inner child thatthey have.
(08:36):
And do you work in that waythat sometimes, yes, I'm going
to play with the human that theysee in front of them, yet also
they actually have to see thelittle child that's inside them.
That may be, you know,distorting their perception of
things and not being able torelate with their child because
(08:56):
they have their inner stuffthat's blocking things.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Yeah, that's a beautiful question.
We are the stories we tellourselves.
So there has to be thatunderstanding of your history,
so to say.
And one nuance where I look at,let's use the word trauma.
It can be a loaded word, butfor me what trauma means is the
stresses of the past that you'venot processed in the present.
So it's some blockage in thepresent moment because of
(09:21):
something that happened in thepast that you've not processed
in the present.
So it's some blockage in thepresent moment because of
something that happened in thepast that you've not processed.
And one other point worthmaking is it's never the thing,
it's our relation to the thing,and we explore that.
(09:41):
I really do believe this comesfrom the conscious parenting
movement that kids are given tous that we might understand
ourselves, and from the Delphiit's know thyself and you'll
understand the secrets of godsand men.
We are trying to bring forththe greatness.
That's what the etymology ofparenting and education means.
The root of the word means tobring forth, and in bringing
(10:05):
that forth that is effortful.
There's a study that saysparents are less happy than
single people Well, hold on,hold on, I'm not finished.
And they live more meaningfullives.
And one definition ofmeaningfulness is to see a great
greatness and to understandyou're part of that greatness,
and that's something that singlepeople don't experience
regularly.
(10:25):
There are other places to findit, but when you're part of that
greatness and that's somethingthat single people don't
experience regularly there areother places to find it.
But when you're a parent andsomething has come out of you,
looking like you and is lookingto you to survive, and then you
have to make sacrifices, that'sone definition of love.
You initiate the well-being ofanother thing, Oftentimes not
looking for anything in return.
(10:45):
That is yeah, To answer yourquestion.
Yes, we need to understand youas it relates to the world.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
And I do understand the parent identity.
It doesn't like to be attackedor told.
So there's a gentle way of,yeah, to approach that because,
um, you know, it's much moreeasier, even in our own inner
work.
It's much more easier to blameon the outside rather than look
(11:16):
within and we think that, okay,well, the other people need to
change.
But really, when you startdoing your inner work, it's like
change is only within yourselfand the only thing that you can
control is within your own self,and a lot of times you're not
even able to control yourselfand the things that happen or
your behavior or emotionalresponses.
So why, you know, I always sayit's the Kool-Aid that parents
(11:39):
drink, that they think they cancontrol the little human that's
in front of them rather thanhave better understanding of
what's autonomy and how to helpthem develop their skills to
live in a world that we can nolonger relate to.
Because what I you know thelisteners know that I have 14
year old twin boys.
The world that they live in istotally different than when I
(12:02):
was 14, live in is totallydifferent than when I was 14,
even different to what my29-year-old was when he was 14.
Technology has changed thingsso drastically, even since COVID
happened.
These past four years, thingshave pivoted in such a way that
it's like and to use thenarrative of well back in my day
(12:23):
, it doesn't help you to relateto what they're going through.
So could you give a little bitof a description of what this
work is, that you do withparents and how to support them
with their children?
Speaker 2 (12:40):
so if to give some more perspective to what you
said, I would say yes, and inthat that there are some
fundamental things that haven'tchanged throughout the
generations, going backthousands of years.
And then there are challengesfor this generation.
Yeah, and where would we start?
(13:01):
Let's start with jonathanheight's book, right nowious
Generation, with the onset ofscreens and social media, what
that's doing to the narrativesin people's heads.
We are the stories we tellourselves and our identity.
My work is strongly based onidentity and the framework that
I have, the show up framework,because all behavior comes from
identity and I believe, allthrough life.
(13:22):
Life is asking us who are you?
We answer I am, and we answerthat through stressors.
Yeah, right, in a growthmindset.
You don't know what's a growthor a fixed mindset until it's
challenged.
Or, like Mike Tyson says,everybody has a plan until you
get punched in the mouth and youfigure out who you are.
(13:53):
So that's the unique challengeof this age.
Um, the social disconnectionthrough social media.
There's not that face-to-faceconnection where oxytocin and
endorphins are released througheye-to-eye contact and
flesh-to-flesh contact.
So there have been thosedigital boundaries, if you will,
that have been set up.
That's another challenge ofthis time and when we're
speaking about in ourscreen-filled world, when those
(14:14):
screens close because we'reforming our identities on the
back end of it, in social media,and we say, oh yeah, I'm part
of this tribe, I'm part of thistribe.
When they close, the questionis, who am I?
And if we can't answer that, wecan't meet the stressors of
life for the challenges of life.
So that's, that's thechallenges for this generation.
And and there was a delineationI think it was 2012 where we
(14:39):
saw, oh yeah, we see this up,uptick in mental well-being or
the lack thereof, so we canmeasure it Now, what has been
for traditions?
Other people matter,relationships, another point
worth noting and I'm starting anew program in regards to this,
(15:02):
because this is where I again,like I said, spirituality is a
big part of my life.
Uh, lisa miller's work, ifyou're not familiar with her,
dive into her world.
She wrote the awakened childand the awakened brain, and it's
scientific based understandingof what spirituality is.
And all of us are spiritualbeings.
(15:23):
Cs lewis said we're spiritualbeings having a human experience
as opposed to humans having aspiritual experience.
Now there is spirituality,there's a blend of it with
spirituality and religion, andthen there's religion, and
religion is just the environmentand the rituals and so on, but
there's an understanding beyondus, whereas we are connected.
That is our sovereignbirthright and I'm BYOB in the
(15:51):
work that I do bring your ownbeliefs, as I've studied and
taught in many different I'veseen I've seen a-holes in all
walks of faith and I've seenbeautiful people in all walks of
faith.
And you know I say a-holesplayfully, but I mean
everybody's going through theirown challenge.
And you know I say ailsplayfully, but I mean
everybody's going through theirown challenge.
And just as there's 7 billiondifferent people on this world,
there's 7 billion differentunderstandings of the divine,
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the higher, even if you'reagnostic or atheist, I can make
an argument for us to beconnected to something greater,
which is the person across fromus.
While we're still delineated,we're still connected and in
understanding that that's whereour well-being comes from.
So kids are looking for that andand the reason I work with this
age is it's going fromindependence to sorry, from
(16:33):
dependent into independence, andthat's where the first breaking
I call it goes.
The first breaking is their newroles.
Who am I?
So?
Um, there's identity breaking.
Then there's collaborativemistrust.
I don't know who to partnerwith while I'm trying to
navigate and figure this out.
Ideally the parent is there asa trustworthy advisor, and then
(16:55):
E is emotional management.
It's a wall of ICE I-C-EIdentity breaking, collaborative
mistrust, and then E isemotional management.
The highs are highs and thelows are lows, and biologically
it is supposed to be like that,because it's teaching us, it's
putting us on high alert to seewhat is safe in this world.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
As we're trying to navigate and figure it out.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
Yeah, in my work I really educate people about
their nervous system.
I understand that some peoplefeel like it's too academic,
it's too scientific, it's toobig and it's like this is
something that every individualis riding in.
It's a car vehicle that you'reriding in and if you don't
understand your own vehicle andwhat it needs, then you're
(17:51):
trying to put parts of a Hondainto a Porsche and it's not
going to work Because that's,you know, it's really having to
understand your own biology and,as you mentioned, the trauma
you know, really understand howthose experiences have shaped
your nervous system and how youcan reshape it.
Because the title of you can'tteach old dogs new trick is just
some BS of not wanting to doyour own inner work because it
(18:12):
feels too intimidating or youhaven't been given the space to
really accept yourself of yourfullness, of who you are Like.
A lot of times, you know, forhealing people will be like, oh,
you're going to create a newperson.
It's like, no, healing is abouttaking those layers of pain to
be the great person you alreadyare inside.
You've just been separated fromthat.
(18:35):
You've just not been able.
You've been so much into theouter world, of this dimension,
of this world looking for you,validate me, you tell me what my
identity is.
You tell me where the steps Ineed to get to to get that
safety and security and success,rather than listening to this
inner world and trustingyourself.
In a world that keeps tellingyou you're not good enough or
(18:58):
you don't have the right tools,it's difficult to know how to
trust yourself.
So I'm thankful for the workthat you're providing for the
young ones at a youngfundamental that there's a
different way of being able to,you know, do the journey of life
, because life is impermanentand there's some big experiences
that happen.
And it's like, well, how do I,you know, understand all of this
(19:21):
?
Like, give me verbiage andlanguage to be able to walk this
place and for the parents tofinally have some language.
Because when I came into therealization that I have no idea
how to parent these twinsbecause before I thought I, you
know, I drank the Kool-Aid andparent knows everything and it's
like how can you know how toreally fully parent an
(19:45):
individual that you haven'treally explored, to know how
their personality is developing,how they think, how they see
things, not just pushing all ofmy agenda on them and that space
of.
I don't know.
It's relieving but it's alsointimidating, because then the
fear of society and you know theparent has to get this all in
(20:07):
place for their child and it'slike, oh my gosh, but really
it's very empowering to be inthat, I don't know, yet very
intimidating.
You mentioned um lisa.
What's her last name?
Speaker 2 (20:19):
miller miller dr lisa miller from canada, columbia do
you know?
Speaker 1 (20:24):
uh, dr shefali.
Okay, have you worked with drshefali?
Speaker 2 (20:30):
no, no, no, no, no.
Not like I know them with theirwork.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
I've read their books and, yeah, no well, I worked
alongside, I did some events andstuff, hosted some events for
dr shefali and did some of hercourses.
So that language of Lisa Milleris very, very current, like has
the awaken and all these things.
(20:54):
So I'm like it's the sameconscious kind of language and
I'm thankful that there's moreand more Go ahead.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Two points I want to touch on here.
One is the idea ofintrospection that you mentioned
.
Because of our screens, ourawareness is being constantly
pulled away from the inside ofus.
There's an initiative insideEurope called well.
It's a global initiative thatstarted in Sweden called the
Inner Development Goals, andit's bringing our awareness back
(21:21):
to our insides, because that'swhat feelings are.
Feelings are saying how are weinterfacing with our world?
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Or emotions.
Rather, you are the universeexperiencing itself.
But because we're not taughtthese skills of introspection at
a young age, as we progress inlife, really, who are we?
Who am I?
Where is the trust?
Do I actually know what's inthere?
We're apprehensive to go inside.
So that's one point I wanted tohighlight.
(21:49):
I'm not making a point, butjust highlighting that, yeah,
that's a challenge of this age.
The second one is and this isfrom some of his work in the 50s
or so on, we took spiritualityout of the public discourse in
America and it's because I canhold a spiritual belief, you can
hold a spiritual belief and Ican hold respect for you, and it
(22:11):
doesn't have to be salvific.
You know what I mean.
It's like when we canunderstand this, I can
understand your value and youcan understand my value, and we
don't have to be at each other'sthroats or some people.
Easier said than done and Iunderstand that.
But let's see the humanity ineach other first and the whole
point of taking spirituality outof the human discourse.
(22:32):
We live in a materialisticworld and there's nothing wrong
with the pursuit of success, butthen in the pursuit of that,
with the understanding of beingconnected to other people in
something greater.
People are living lessmeaningful lives, which
contributes to the growingdepression, which contributes to
the growing loneliness, thedisconnectedness.
Um, yeah, that's why I do feelcalled to to create more
(22:58):
discourse around spiritualityand, as you understand it, you
know, I just want to highlightthose two, yeah, and I'm
thankful that you understand it,you know.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
I just want to highlight those two yeah, and
I'm thankful that you brought upyou know where spirituality,
you know, came out of theeducation system.
It's, you know.
I use the analogy because I'mvery visual, so I like to give
visuals for people to betterrelate to something that might
be a little nuanced.
I'm like, okay, imagine we'reall at a table and we're all
(23:25):
eating food, yet you're eatingit with your hands.
I'm eating with a knife andfork, this one's eating with
chopsticks and that one's eatingwith a spoon.
Are we going to criticize themethod in how we're eating this
food, or can we sit around thistable and allow each other to
eat in the way that we can andshare our experiences?
And perhaps maybe now I,instead of my knife and fork,
(23:47):
I'll engage in eating it with myhand.
But we're all consuming thefood and we all come at it in a
different way.
So why are we now going andtaking the king of the hill?
My way is the only way, and ifyou don't do it this way, you're
not doing it the right way, andthat's where the division and
separation comes from.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
Can I extend that metaphor?
I've noticed, and you put it inyour pocket for later it's
yours.
I noticed with this generationthey're apprehensive to bring
awareness of the person eatingwith their foot or with the
chopsticks.
And because and I'll explain it, this metaphor just pulling on
a thread, but, and there arepeople who eat with their feet,
(24:28):
you know what I mean, becausethey may not have arms, but they
feel as though if we mentionedthat, it's somewhat looking down
at them.
It's like no, no, you're notlooking down at them, you're
just stating the obvious thatthey have to eat with their feet
.
This person has to eat withchopsticks.
And mentioning something is notcreating conflict.
No, and because I love peoplefor those who are listening, I
(24:50):
am sun-kissed, with brown skin,but I love people who whisper
the word black as if it'ssomething wrong to say.
It's like no, no, we can speakabout racial things and it's not
racist, it's just acknowledgingwhat it is.
And you can still hold peoplein dignity while speaking about
what is and there will be pointsof contention.
In all relationships.
(25:11):
There's tension or conflict,but that doesn't define the
relationship.
What defines it is how wemanage the conflict and if again
, I can hold myself in dignitymeans that I hold you in dignity
, like we can go so much further, but but people are
apprehensive to haveconversations because they're
like fear of offending the otherperson, and and of course we
(25:34):
can this is a whole longerconversation but offense can
only be found with me.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Like there are people who have said things that are
offensive and I'm just like thatdoesn't offend me because I
know who I am exactly, and Ithink people, if they would
recognize there's alwaysconflict within yourself, like,
say, you're on a, you're like Iwant sugar, but I know it's not
good for me.
There's always conflict, butyou know how to hold the space
for both or more those thatcan't hold the space.
(26:02):
That's why they can't deal withconflict, like there's no such
thing as a world not havingconflict.
The reason why we have war isbecause they don't know how to
deal with conflict.
They don't know how to dealwith diversity, they don't know
how to deal with differentpoints of view.
They think my way is narrow andit's the only way, and that is
a very fixed mindset notallowing that growth, and it's a
(26:24):
very dysregulated nervoussystem that it's in real fear
that if it's not this way, theneverything else is evil and it's
going to harm me and whatnot.
So, like, as you can see, I'mreally.
You know the whole reason Istarted this podcast is to
remove the stigmas around mentalhealth and create dialogue like
(26:46):
this, offending about everylittle thing it's like, and then
this cancel culture.
I'm like what the heck?
How are we supposed to improveif nobody's allowed to make
mistakes?
Like you're gonna dig something10, 20 years ago and be like
and if a person acknowledged itback then we still get to berate
(27:06):
them like 10 years later and belike oh no, you didn't repent
long enough and look what youdid and it's like what are we
really dating?
Speaker 2 (27:18):
I was thinking about this and this thought you just
hit me yesterday.
I've not shared it, so there'sa fresh take.
During the teenage years andadolescence, we are valors of
truth.
We're constantly because lifeis still black and white for us.
It's not until 18 where we seenuance right, and that's why,
(27:38):
around 12, we get very skeptical.
Now this is my fresh takeSocial media speeds up an idea.
Right, it doesn't mean that it'strue, it doesn't mean it's
false, it just speeds it up.
And cancel culture came aboutbecause a lot of adolescents had
(27:58):
access to phones and we can doa lot of research.
We're quick to say, no, this isnot true.
There we can invalidatesomebody, whereas adults know
life is very great, yeah, you do, yeah, you do have values and
things that are important to youand you align with people.
But, um, it's, it's, it's when.
Yeah, that's where cult cancelculture came from.
(28:19):
I believe there's a whole bunchof adolescents, people who want
to be valid of truth and I mean, yes, we want the truth, I'm
not saying we don't want thetruth.
And actually, again, this is alonger conversation, this is a
nuanced conversation, but truthis relative for different
cultures of what it means.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
And to ride on you, though ride on you when you say
adolescent, recognize somebodythat is 50 could still have an
adolescent mind.
So that's why the culture cancome, because people will think
it's only by an age number notrealizing their mind is still
very adolescent, that theyhaven't matured in certain
(28:57):
aspects.
They haven't done their innerwork to question things for
themselves, question what truthis.
And, as you said, truth is verysubjective because, depending
on culture, depending on yourexperiences, you're going to
view it in different ways andit's always going to expand.
Truth is not solid, it's verystatic.
It can always evolve and growand become different.
(29:20):
You can add on to it and becomedifferent.
You can add on to it.
There's only, you know, literaltruth that we know we're all
going to die Like this bodyaspect isn't going to live Like.
That is an absolute truth thatwe know.
Yet other things you know ifyou don't have air, well, for
how long?
Some people, maybe two minutes,other people, they've gone for
(29:42):
a very long time without it andthey're still so.
You know it's.
It depends, like you said, onthat.
But I really just wanted to comeback because a lot of people
think here adolescent, and theythink, oh, between 13 and 18
I've met some grown adolescents,yeah well and I and I've had to
work with myself too when thatlittle adolescent wants to come
(30:02):
out and it's like whoa, wematured now that people are so
(30:25):
impulsive that even our newsdon't even fact check anymore.
They're so quick to be the firstone that it's like who are we
trusting now with information?
Because everybody just wantsthat acknowledgement of look at
me, I got all I can get your,your attention and doesn't mean
that I'm going to fact check andgive you proper truth or facts.
(30:46):
I think there's a differencebetween people hear truth and
there's facts like where are thefacts to things?
And I think that's what'sreally lacking in some of our
language is let's come back togetting some facts, not just
truth of what you're feeling orthe emotions and stuff like that
, but not by it's creating moredialogue now and slowing down,
(31:10):
like we're in so muchcompetition with technology that
technology was supposed tosimplify our lives, not speed us
up, that we're so impulsive andwe don't know how to rest.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
You know if I may share another perspective with
you.
Yes, so technology speeds upconsciousness or the flow of
information.
Um, the same arguments thatwere made about social media
today, and that it separates usand that it gives us too much
(31:43):
leisure time without focus onother people.
Same thing was said about TV.
It was said about the radio.
It was said about the printingpress.
When it came about, theprinting press was of the devil,
because people would be busyreading books now and they won't
be able to go out andexperience the land and other
people.
So technology is the mediumyeah it's.
(32:07):
What do we do with that medium?
Because now, I mean, we'recommunicating over technology
and I don't think you're aperson waving your fist at
computers, but what it comesdown to is, as a creator, as a
sovereign person, what do youwant?
Yeah, and at my core, I reallydo want the well-being of you,
the well-being of your sons, thewell-being of those audience
(32:29):
listening, like I really do wantthat, because as a community is
made greater, like I, there's aresonance that creates around
the world that will eventuallycontribute to my well-being.
I believe you are meexperiencing life from a
different perspective.
We are very separate, but weare also bringing a vibe and we
are also bringing a vibe.
(32:50):
So I now I said all of that toto create this With the advent
of AI.
I believe it's going to free upa lot of time to some of the
other work we're doing is BS,bad stuff and it's going to
allow us to actually, like mychairperson said, figure out
(33:12):
what it means to be human.
We're going to see whatconnectedness is.
We're going to see what itmeans.
We're going to actually look atwhat do I want, and I align
with people who want well-being.
I know different people goabout it and do it different
ways and they're different valuesystems.
But if that's what you want,like, I align with you and I
vibe with that.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
Yeah, exactly, and you know it's the all or nothing
that people have and it's likeeverything has it's good and
everything has it's bad.
It's depending on how you wantto perceive it.
So again, innovation, for somepeople it's the devil and it's
evil.
We cannot go into innovationbecause it's going to and it's
you haven't worked with yourfear to acknowledge and go into
(33:55):
the unknown and uncertainty.
Like when you do spirituality,you really understand the
unknown and uncertainty.
Like when you do spirituality,you really understand the
unknown and uncertainty and youunderstand you're always in it.
Yet a lot of people don't evenhave the awareness that they're
in, that they think it's allunder control because they're in
their mind, in their head, sostuck.
So social media I wanted to makemy part where I was adding
(34:17):
introspection content,self-healing content, people to
reflect within themselves andspeak about things openly of,
like our struggles and ourchallenges, so that it was very
relatable and not feeling likeit's so therapist that it's
academic and I don't know how toreally attain it, that there's
some actual practical tools thatpeople can use, because the
(34:46):
majority of what people use forsocial media is fear porn.
They know it activates thenervous system and puts in all
kinds of narrations and storiesand then, if they got your
attention, then they can controlthe narrative in you and that's
where indoctrination and allthese things happen.
So I just wanted to do my littlepart which is just a little
splinter in social media, ofadding some content that would
disrupt some of this and thatwould bring that well-being, so
(35:08):
that people could be like wait aminute, there might be
something a little bit different.
But it's not this, thisevilizing things, because social
media has brought so muchinformation that we didn't know,
like the things that are goingaround the world.
Tiktok has opened up so muchstuff for us that we're like you
can't lie to us anymore, likethis stuff is really going on,
(35:28):
even though you still want todumb us down with this.
Yet also, our brains weren'tmeant to intake all of this
information because itdysregulates, because we have a
crippling sense of helplessness,and when you have helplessness
and not able to take action withthat, it's very debilitating,
(35:48):
unless you've developed yourtools of how to be with the
helplessness and come back intothe now and take some action for
what you need to create.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
Yeah, I love listening to you because it's
well inside.
It's spurring me to have moreof a presence where I am, to be
more intentional with the vibe Iwant to create.
Online I don't necessarily jumpinto, but if there's a message
(36:19):
that I have that I want toamplify, social media is the
channel by which to do it yeahand um just set up my, my, my,
if you will, guards.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
Yeah, yeah yeah, because, um, I don't, uh, at one
point, you know, at thebeginning, because I had, when I
had the lesions I I came off ofsocial media so I unplugged
from it all because mywell-being needed me to be
within and be a parent and allthat.
And then when I came back on,it was like I saw the luring and
(36:53):
the intention of a lot ofcompanies and stuff and it was
like, well, I'm going to beintentional of what I want to
create and it can be.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
No, I was going to make an interjection there.
I heard something when you werespeaking.
We do not take expansive actionfor who we are.
First of all, we have to knowwho we are and then we, when we
fill that space because theuniverse is constantly expanding
, right, but we can't do it ifwe have resentment or if we have
(37:28):
fear.
Yeah, and resentment?
A balloons, is this video?
All right?
Um?
Resentment comes from remeaning again.
Centaur is spanish latin for tofeel, so recent art.
It means to feel again becauseyou don't get to express it.
But when we hold resentmenttowards something, we're
harboring hate and then we havefear of expansion.
(37:48):
Social media depending on ifyou're not curating the content
of your consciousness, socialmedia breeds and nurtures
resentment and hate.
It does Because it gets moreattention, and that's what the
algorithm is geared for.
It's more attention, but um, Ithat's what I heard while you're
speaking yeah thank you.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
I appreciate you uh, highlighting that for people
because you know the the nervoussystem is based out of negative
bias.
So, as you said, if there'sresentment and fear, it's like
getting activated and our workis to regulate this nervous
system so that it's not in highalert and that we can be
expansive, that we can be in thepossibilities and the abundance
(38:32):
and remind ourselves of thatand be it, not just theorize it
or intellectualize it.
It's actually the embodiment ofbeing, that of what you're
wanting to be.
Our language is so similar.
I really appreciate this deepdive because it's nice when you
can be with somebody that'sgoing to challenge and stretch,
(38:55):
to see it in a way, and thenalso, you know, reflect and
ponder so that innovation andthe growing can be there.
Because it's like I understand alot of people are very black
and white and it's like, no,like it's nuanced, like it's a
spectrum, it's not one or theother, it's all aligned and it's
(39:16):
allowing yourself to havecritical thoughts, which I'm
seeing more and more like a lotof people don't have that and
I'm like, no wonder you're not.
I guess you're not.
You know, we, we all we have toquestion our own thought
because everything is automated,so you always have to
automation of you know what'sgoing on.
(39:37):
Going on, where am I, whatwhat's guiding me, what is what
has hijacked my behavior or mythinking process or my emotional
compass?
And I know that's work, butthat's the work that we're
supposed to be engaging in.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
It's not work.
So I love words.
You probably figured.
But to critique means to hitcritical, that's what it means.
You probably figured.
But to critique means to hitcritical, that's what it means.
And we often don't engage incritical thinking because fear
of offense of the other person.
And and again it's how do youhave hard conversations while
(40:14):
holding the other person inrespect, holding their dignity?
And you can choose to leaveconversations like by all means,
but, um, you have thoseconversations by first having
them inside.
And and one metaphor that Iheard again with another table,
um, it was from, actually, lisamiller.
She said there's I can't getthe exact names, but there's a
(40:34):
person who is a person of truth,a person of intuition, a person
of mystic and a person ofsomething else, and then a
person of skepticism.
And imagine them all sitting ata table.
The table is your heart.
If we keep the skeptic at thedoor, no ideas can get in.
(40:57):
Or if you keep that personwho's always a valor of truth at
the door, no ideas can get in.
Or if you keep that personwho's always a valor of truth at
the door, no ideas can get in.
But we need to bring the ideaand put it on the table and
everybody gets a say, and thenyou, as a sovereign being, again
you get to make the decision.
But you need to look at fromall these angles and critique it
.
And now I understand.
I want to pay respect to thosewho may have ACEs or adverse
(41:20):
childhood experiencers orweren't taught the skills they
weren't supported in beingtaught this, I mean, and that's
our work to do to help people inthe community to be skilled in
this, to be supported inexploring this.
But, um, it starts with us.
It starts with the individualand let's start to have more
critical ideas, more criticalthoughts.
And if the individual and let'sstart to have more critical
(41:40):
ideas, more critical thoughts,and if you can do that, let's
start holding spaces for peopleto have critical thoughts.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
Well, I'm mindful of time.
I could talk to you for hoursand hours because I love how we
can just bounce off of eachother and share our perspectives
and share our, you know,experiences, and also what comes
up like you just shared thatsomething came up yesterday for
you and you're revealing it inreal time and that takes courage
(42:07):
, also because you didn't get toreally analyze it and see like,
oh, how are people going toperceive it or whatnot, and
that's that's the whole thing ofbeing a creative is allowing
yourself to make mistakes.
That's the whole thing of beinga creative is allowing yourself
to make mistakes but yet beingengaging.
That you know what?
I have the accountability thatif I did say something that may
(42:28):
have harmed or offended somebody, I can sit here and say you
know, I apologize, no ifs, andsor buts or trying to defend I
apologize that you felt that way, and so I really appreciate the
work that you're doing.
I appreciate you being in thislifetime with me, so that it
encourages me that I'm not alonein.
You know, the space, and thewhole reason why I called Lift
(42:51):
One Self was lifting the ego,which the ego is, the defense
mechanisms of the nervous system, protecting you from
vulnerability, yet when you'rein your vulnerability, you can
be in that oneness.
You understand that space ofsharing and that we communicate
in frequency and in energy morethan we in our language and in
(43:13):
words that man has created.
So I want to ask, cause I'msure many are like okay enough,
Nat, Nat, where do we findMarcus and what does he have to
offer?
So can you let them know whereyou are and what you have for
offerings?
Speaker 2 (43:31):
MarcusHiggscom, I'm right, when this camera goes off
, I'm recording the videos forum, for an offer of identity.
It starts with a strongidentity.
The show up framework is theframework by which I approach
the work I do, and S is itstarts with a strong identity,
letting the parent understandwho they are and creating a
(43:54):
culture of that inside the house, because in those formative
years, that's where they'retransitioning into who am I and
looking at their virtues andvalues.
This comes from VIA, virtues inaction, along with hey, what is
important to you, and I want torespect that.
So that's where they can findme, and I shall have that up two
days from when we're recordingthis, so if this is released
(44:18):
after that, it will be there.
Speaker 1 (44:20):
Okay, great, you know all of that will be in the show
notes, because I'm all aboutnetworking and for people to get
access, because the reason whyI have conversations with people
around the world is because now, with the internet, we can get
access to things that are justnot only in our place.
We can access something aroundthe world that really resonates
(44:41):
with us, that there's a modalitythat opens up that, like I can
work with this and I cancomprehend it, and then that
change can be done, becausewe're in an age where a lot of
people consume a lot of theory,yet they don't do the practical
work to actually see the change.
So, thank you for all that youdo in this world and I want to
(45:03):
know is there something that youwould like to leave the
listeners?
Speaker 2 (45:10):
There's no greater privilege than to be who you are
.
Speaker 1 (45:15):
Yes, that's true, and I have one more.
I have a reflective questionfor you.
I want to go back to your 18year old self, and you have
three words to tell your 18 yearold self to carry you along the
journey to right now.
What would those three words be?
(45:36):
What?
Speaker 2 (45:40):
would those three words be?
Love is the first one, rightNow.
Love right now.
And they did not go togetherwhen I thought of them, but I
love putting them together.
Love right now.
And when I said right, I meantright this way.
Speaker 1 (45:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (46:00):
Right Love now.
Now Right Love there you go.
Right Love now yeah.
Speaker 1 (46:11):
Any combination you want.
That yeah.
Yeah, I love it Because onceyou start doing your healing,
you see that things are reversedin your perception.
So you just got to look at itbackwards too.
So I love that that messagereally resonates and yeah, it's.
It has been amazing to connectwith you.
I hope you will come back ontothe podcast because I know
you'll have a lot more wealth ofknowledge and I think our
(46:32):
conversations can go in so manydifferent, deeper ways that I
think a lot of listeners wouldbe engaged in the conversation.
So I want to thank you forbeing here and offering your
time to us.
It's greatly appreciated.
Speaker 2 (46:49):
Thank you for sharing the platform.
It was wonderful.
It was wonderful, Nat Nat.
I love saying your name, NatNat.
Speaker 1 (46:56):
I know Some people, like I said, if you you're
playful, you'll use it.
Other people they're a littletoo serious, they're like I
can't do it.
Speaker 2 (47:02):
So it has to.
Speaker 1 (47:05):
So I'm like well, you know what you don't get to
engage in the, the playfulness.
I think, like you said, we saidat the beginning, there's not
enough playfulness for adults.
So have that unstructured playand really open up and let that
curiosity and creativity you,you know, delve in some places
that you didn't think waspossible or that you weren't
allowed.
(47:25):
You have to give yourselfpermission to play.
Speaker 2 (47:29):
That's why it's self-directed joy.
Get some joy in your life.
Let it be self-directed.
Speaker 1 (47:35):
Please remember to be kind to yourself.
Speaker 2 (47:39):
Will do
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