November 25, 2025 • 27 mins
Google's Nano Banana and ChatGPT's Group Chats are reshaping communication and creativity. ChatGPT integrates their models into texting for collaborative planning, disrupting traditional messaging apps. Meanwhile, Google’s Nano Banana Pro is by far the best text-to-image generator that we've seen so far.
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0:00 Intro
1:14 Josh's A-List Wedding
3:32 Nano Banana Pro
12:31 ChatGPT Group Chats
19:22 Social Interactions with AI
25:00 The Competitive Landscape
26:04 What's Next
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Ejaaz:
Now, you've all heard of ChatGPT. At some point, everyone's used an AI chatbot now. (00:00):
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Ejaaz: But what if I told you this week, not one, but two brand new AI tools just dropped (00:04):
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Ejaaz: that will change the way you interact with AI on a daily basis? (00:09):
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Ejaaz: The first was released by OpenAI called Group Chats, which, in my opinion, (00:13):
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Ejaaz: is going to kill iMessage. It's going to change text and group messaging forever. (00:17):
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Ejaaz: And the second is called NanoBanana Pro, released by none other than Google (00:20):
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Ejaaz: themselves, their new text-to-image generation model powered by the almighty (00:24):
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Ejaaz: and all-powerful Gemini Pro 3. (00:29):
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Ejaaz: There's so much to unpack with these tools, so I want to get right into it. (00:32):
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Ejaaz: But Josh, I haven't seen you in a while. (00:35):
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Ejaaz: For context of the listeners, Josh and I have been traveling this entire week, (00:38):
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Ejaaz: so I haven't caught up with Josh. Josh, like, what's been going on? (00:41):
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Josh: I've had a really, really good week. A huge week in my life. Very exciting times. (00:44):
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Josh: I think it's probably time to share with the audience kind of like what's been (00:48):
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Josh: going on more behind the scenes in my personal life, if that's cool with you. (00:51):
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Josh: I shared a few photos, but if you don't mind, us walking through them. (00:54):
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Josh: Okay yeah yeah yeah so um yeah married married this weekend which was really (00:56):
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Josh: exciting yeah you just i'm not sure if you knew that i am friends with quite (01:01):
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Josh: a few celebrities um beyonce tom cruise, (01:04):
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Josh: um josh what the hell yeah is that kendall. (01:08):
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Ejaaz: Jenner are you (01:11):
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Josh: Going to congratulate me or are you just going to stare wait. (01:12):
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Ejaaz: Dude i'm just looking through these pics (01:14):
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Josh: There's another one yeah down the aisle okay (01:18):
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Josh: it's a very beautiful wedding very grateful to have people like beyonce around (01:21):
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Josh: with me leo dicaprio you know all the homies oh you're (01:24):
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Josh: skipping too far ahead man it's the after party i mean the after (01:27):
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Josh: party was great was in good company we had uh we had elon sundar (01:30):
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Josh: tim cook all you know all of the homies they (01:33):
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Josh: were all just kind of hanging out afterwards talking shop talking about the future (01:36):
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Josh: of AI and then honeymoon afterwards which was pretty (01:39):
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Josh: eventful I really enjoyed yeah I went to (01:42):
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Josh: the beach well you had a good time undisclosed location you know when you roll (01:45):
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Josh: with high high people like that you can't really talk about what you're doing (01:49):
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Josh: but also just kidding this is all AI because there's the photo with Elon as (01:51):
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Josh: well and this is just like so while we were preparing for this episode I was (01:56):
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Josh: like well let's just try to use nano banana and come up with some dumb, funny stuff. (01:59):
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Josh: And it works so well. This is a fully AI generated version. Granted, (02:03):
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Josh: they gave Elon probably a couple more packs on his gut than he really has in person. (02:06):
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Josh: It looks great. And it's a testament to... (02:11):
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Josh: Not to scale. It's a testament to how amazing these new AI image generation (02:14):
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Josh: models are. They are fantastic. (02:18):
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Josh: This is the official announcement released from Sundar. Nano Banana Pro is out. (02:21):
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Josh: The images you just saw earlier, those are all done with a single prompt in Nano Banana. (02:25):
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Josh: We mentioned it in the roundup last week, but I figured it would be good to (02:29):
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Josh: have an episode about this and (02:31):
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Josh: the group chats because there's a lot more than I think we spoke about. (02:33):
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Josh: And as I've used it more, I've started to learn a lot more about the capabilities (02:35):
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Josh: and it is blowing my mind across the spectrum. (02:38):
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Josh: One of the things that's unique to the new model is that it's really good at (02:41):
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Josh: understanding diagrams for some reason. Diagrams is the hot new use case. (02:45):
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Josh: So we have a lot of examples that we could walk through. One of them is with Notebook LM. (02:49):
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Josh: This is Google's AI tool that integrates with Nano Banana. And it shows an infographic (02:53):
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Josh: to a book. So this is an author who posted this. (02:58):
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Josh: And the author has a story that he tells through the book. (03:01):
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Josh: So what Notebook does, it ingests the content of the book, (03:04):
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Josh: turns it into a visual graphic and then (03:07):
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Josh: plots all of the plot like the plot elements and (03:10):
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Josh: the characters and the the context all onto a map so you could kind of see how (03:14):
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Josh: the book is visually and yeah you could keep going through these examples and (03:18):
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Josh: if you're not listening i highly suggest going to spotify or youtube watching (03:22):
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Josh: this because the examples are are pretty incredible these are cool yeah you (03:25):
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Josh: just have you had a chance to play around with this at all the new i i. (03:30):
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Ejaaz: Actually haven't so this dropped what like three days (03:33):
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Ejaaz: ago now josh very recently i haven't i've been able to get around to it but (03:36):
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Ejaaz: i have to say like i i'm comparing this my other checkpoint was with nano banana (03:40):
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Ejaaz: version one and this is just so much better i mean the fidelity on these things (03:46):
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Ejaaz: the intricacies of these diagrams like i wish i had these (03:50):
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Ejaaz: Like the way my mind jumps right now is like, I wish I had these back at school (03:54):
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Ejaaz: or like high school or college. Yeah. (03:57):
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Ejaaz: Because this would help me learn things in so many different ways. This is awesome. (03:59):
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Josh: Wow. It's cool. And if you have a book that you like, you can just upload the (04:03):
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Josh: book and it will create a full visual diagram, plot line, the whole thing of the book. (04:06):
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Josh: And it doesn't stop there. There's an example that I saw that I loved, (04:10):
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Josh: which was for LinkedIn, people who are looking for jobs, people who want to (04:12):
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Josh: kind of show their career path. (04:15):
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Josh: This is an infographic trend where you can upload your LinkedIn to Nano Banana (04:18):
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Josh: and it will create a career path for you. In whatever theme that you want. (04:22):
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Ejaaz: It's already a better product than LinkedIn, Josh. (04:25):
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Josh: Oh, yeah, right. How cool is this? So what you're seeing on screen here is like, (04:27):
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Josh: okay, the person started maybe in high school or college. (04:30):
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Josh: It shows the railroad track, how they're going through their career. (04:32):
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Josh: It looks like they're at Google from 2009 to the present. (04:35):
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Josh: And you could really, you could see in a very fun visual way, (04:38):
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Josh: all the accomplishments they've done, their kind of journey through their career. (04:41):
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Josh: It's really, really cool. (04:44):
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Josh: And in a way, this is a much more exciting LinkedIn resume. And I think it's (04:46):
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Josh: probably a testament to the new creative unlocks that we'll see as people start (04:50):
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Josh: to learn more about Nano Banana and understand how it works. (04:54):
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Josh: Just like how impressively fun it can be across the spectrum. (04:56):
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Josh: If you're looking for a job, this is a great way to stand out. (05:01):
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Ejaaz: Josh, what about this? This is insane. So for those of you who are listening, (05:03):
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Ejaaz: these are all of Josh's friends who, funnily enough, turned up to his fake wedding. (05:08):
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Ejaaz: I'm actually upset that you aren't actually with Kendall Jenner because you (05:12):
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Ejaaz: guys are such a great couple in that image. (05:15):
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Ejaaz: I'm sure many people are gonna give that a go but right now i'm staring at an (05:18):
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Ejaaz: image of a bunch of celebrities (05:22):
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Ejaaz: on the rooftop of what looks to be some kind of penthouse apartment building (05:26):
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Ejaaz: and we have iron man we've got tony stark we've got wolf of wall street leo (05:29):
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Ejaaz: dicaprio we've got zendaya in in the spider man costume what happened to tom (05:34):
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Ejaaz: holland we've got um beyonce j-lo so many people what is going on here you know what it is josh um (05:38):
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Ejaaz: It's so like strikingly accurate. It's way more accurate. It's less fake. (05:45):
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Ejaaz: Like I'm looking at these and I'm like, you know what? If I was looking at this (05:50):
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Ejaaz: from afar, this would be totally convincing if this was posted on social media. (05:53):
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Josh: And this is a one-shot prompt too. This was one prompt. It didn't even list (05:59):
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Josh: the celebrities. It just asked for celebrities and it gave them all of these. (06:02):
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Josh: I think one of the fun things that we're starting to see with image generation (06:06):
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Josh: models is the ability to use people. (06:09):
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Josh: A lot of these examples, they use actual faces, actual people. (06:11):
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Josh: And previously that hasn't really been possible in these image gen models. (06:14):
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Josh: So they're slowly lowering the threshold of what's acceptable, (06:18):
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Josh: or I guess slowly raising the threshold of what's acceptable in terms of what (06:23):
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Josh: types of content you could create using these models. (06:26):
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Josh: And I guess eventually it poses some questions. You said the scary word copyright (06:28):
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Josh: or trademark or likeness. (06:33):
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Josh: As you can start to use these more and more with more accuracy, (06:36):
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Josh: it does feel like a bit of a slippery slope, but I'm loving it because it's (06:39):
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Josh: just so much fun to play around with. (06:44):
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Ejaaz: So if you remember when Sora 2, which is OpenAI's text-to-video app, (06:45):
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Ejaaz: so it's like TikTok, but AI-generated videos, when it first launched, (06:52):
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Ejaaz: it was using celebrity media to create a bunch of cameos. (06:56):
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Ejaaz: Do you remember this? I was looking at Jake Paul. I was looking at Tom Cruise. (06:59):
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Ejaaz: I was looking at a bunch of these celebrities that were looking on our screen (07:02):
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Ejaaz: right now in a video with me or with my friends. And I was like, (07:04):
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Ejaaz: whoa, this is strikingly realistic. (07:07):
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Ejaaz: This is super cool. But eventually they started disabling a bunch of the abilities (07:09):
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Ejaaz: to cameo with those celebrities because of the copyright things. (07:14):
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Ejaaz: I'm now wondering how Google is able to kind of pull this off, (07:17):
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Ejaaz: right? Because I can imagine that some of these celebrities in this picture (07:21):
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Ejaaz: will be fine with doing that. (07:24):
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Ejaaz: But other celebrities probably would hate that. (07:25):
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Ejaaz: So I'm curious how they're going to tread that line as to what's legal and what's illegal here. (07:28):
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Josh: I really hope they keep their foot on the gas because I'm enjoying this. (07:32):
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Josh: But EJ, you also mentioned education, learning as ways to learn. (07:35):
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Josh: There are tons of educational tools here. This one being one of my favorites. (07:39):
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Josh: The post says, until a few hours ago, creating this kind of scientific image (07:43):
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Josh: would have required at least an hour of professional work. (07:46):
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Josh: Now with Nano Banana Pro, it takes a simple prompt and less than 30 seconds. (07:49):
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Josh: The prompt was described in an illustration the events for a psiotoxic T cell (07:53):
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Josh: recognizing and killing a cancer cell. (07:57):
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Josh: And it created this beautiful graphic that very clearly shows how a cell can kill a cancer cell. (07:59):
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Josh: And I think it's just this really big unlock where particularly if you're a visual learner, (08:05):
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Josh: you could ask the model to describe to you basically anything you want and it (08:09):
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Josh: can create these educational visual graphics that used to be only available (08:13):
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Josh: to people in textbooks and limited in scope to whatever the textbook was talking about. (08:16):
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Josh: This on the other hand does not. It's fully open-ended and yeah, (08:21):
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Josh: this is another example here. (08:25):
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Josh: So on the screen, we're seeing this kind of diagram that shows a horse's mouth and the teeth. (08:25):
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Josh: And apparently, this is what I just learned today, is that you can determine (08:30):
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Josh: a horse's age by its teeth. (08:34):
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Josh: And in a single prompt, it was able to generate a visual guide that shows you (08:36):
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Josh: on a spectrum how old the horse would be based on what the teeth look like. (08:40):
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Josh: And I find this so fascinating and so useful because if there's anything you (08:44):
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Josh: ever wanna learn about, not only can you do it, but you can get a completely (08:48):
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Josh: high fidelity, high accuracy visual graphic on anything and then share that with the world. (08:52):
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Josh: So I imagine marketplaces for this could hopefully show up where textbooks now (08:57):
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Josh: are much more accessible. Visual graphics are much more accessible. (09:01):
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Josh: Art in general is much more accessible, but just learning and being able to (09:04):
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Josh: have this visual companion tool is so cool. (09:07):
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Josh: So Nano Banana Pro, again, this is just like the onion that keeps getting peeled (09:10):
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Josh: back. There are so many layers to what it's capable of. (09:13):
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Josh: And as we go, we'll just continue to find more. And I'm loving playing around with it. (09:16):
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Ejaaz: Yeah, I mean, being such a visual learner myself, I could have really used and (09:20):
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Ejaaz: will continue to use something like this going forwards when I learn any brand new concept. (09:25):
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Ejaaz: Like when I was if I go back to the tweet where it's like showing how this T (09:30):
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Ejaaz: cell kills a cancer cell. (09:35):
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Ejaaz: I've read so many paragraphs in my grade school literature books, (09:37):
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Ejaaz: science books explaining how this works. But if I had this kind of like clear, (09:42):
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Ejaaz: succinct image for every single concept that I didn't understand, (09:46):
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Ejaaz: I'd probably have done a lot, lot better. (09:48):
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Ejaaz: So this is super cool. I'm excited about how this kind of like changes performance (09:51):
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Ejaaz: for kids growing up with AI. (09:54):
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Ejaaz: It's kind of weird to think that like now any kid being born today will not (09:56):
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Ejaaz: know what it was like to grow up without having AI as a tool to kind of help them learn things. (10:01):
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Ejaaz: So this is like really game changing stuff. You may not see it immediately in (10:06):
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Ejaaz: front of you on TikTok, on social media, but you will see it in the realms of education, (10:10):
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Ejaaz: kind of work progress, and kind of like building each other's careers up, (10:15):
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Ejaaz: you know, to reference the example that you used earlier on in their lives. So this is super cool. (10:19):
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Ejaaz: Josh, how do I get access to something like this? (10:25):
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Ejaaz: I'm seeing, you know, Google AI Ultra subscribers get access, (10:29):
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Ejaaz: but is that all? Are there other ways to do this? (10:32):
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Josh: So if you're a pro subscriber, you get access to it for $20 a month. (10:35):
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Josh: And what we're seeing here on this post actually is the next (10:38):
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Josh: extension of nano banana pro because if you're (10:41):
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Josh: an ultra subscriber and you use the google flow studio you can (10:44):
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Josh: actually turn these images into videos and all (10:47):
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Josh: the fun images that we just saw created earlier in the day and if (10:50):
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Josh: you scroll down a little bit you can see you could generate actual movies (10:53):
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Josh: with them so none of this stuff that you're seeing on (10:56):
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Josh: screen is real um it was all generated with an image and then the image was (10:59):
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Josh: animated so if you want to do like if I wanted to walk down the aisle per se (11:03):
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Josh: I can generate the aisle image and then have myself walk down the aisle or go (11:08):
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Josh: swimming in the ocean or whatever it may be because again it has all the image (11:11):
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Josh: physics real world simulation stuff and I think, (11:15):
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Josh: What we're seeing is this natural progression between image generation to video (11:19):
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Josh: generation to 3D modeling to like virtual worlds. (11:22):
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Josh: And it very much feels like there's a clear trend here. And that's Nano Banana. (11:25):
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Josh: There's so much fun to be had there. You can make some images, (11:29):
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Josh: you can animate the images, turn them into movies, graphics, (11:32):
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Josh: videos, whatever you want. (11:34):
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Josh: The options are limitless. And this really feels like one of the first times in the world of visuals. (11:36):
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Josh: Oh yeah, they really messed up my face there. (11:42):
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Ejaaz: Man. I can't get over this image. Dude, they messed up your face. (11:44):
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Ejaaz: They messed up your face. Everything else is nailed. (11:46):
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Josh: They're missing a few apps on the bottom. They could have refined a little bit more. (11:48):
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Ejaaz: I think so. Listen, Kendall, if you're listening to this, I already know you're (11:52):
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Ejaaz: listening to this. You look beautiful. We're not hating on you. (11:56):
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Ejaaz: Feel free to reach out to the podcast if you want to feature on it. (11:59):
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Josh: Or me if you just want to call me. (12:01):
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Ejaaz: Yep, yep, yep. If you want to make this a reality, we're all about manifesting realities here. (12:03):
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Ejaaz: What a crazy tool. I think like aside from social media, this is going to be (12:07):
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Ejaaz: used for so many other wonderful things. (12:11):
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Ejaaz: I think people see a tool like this, Josh, and they're kind of like, oh, who cares? (12:12):
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Ejaaz: A bunch of fake social media misinformation that their minds kind of jump to the negative sense. (12:16):
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Ejaaz: But I think this is going to be used for a lot of positive good, (12:20):
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Ejaaz: including manifesting who we're going to marry. (12:23):
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Josh: So let's get that going. As always, it's a tool. It cuts both ways. (12:25):
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Josh: But that is not the only cool tool today, EJ. We got another one from OpenAI. (12:28):
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Ejaaz: Right. Enter my realm. This is the tool I'm most pumped about, Josh. (12:31):
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Ejaaz: I've been waiting for this for a while because ever since ChatGPT got released, (12:36):
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Ejaaz: my number one request, aside from memory, was... (12:39):
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Ejaaz: Can I share these conversations with my friends? Can I have these AI discussions with my friends? (12:43):
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Ejaaz: And finally, this week, OpenAI announced a feature called Group Chats, (12:50):
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Ejaaz: which basically allows you to have the same chat GPT conversation that you guys (12:55):
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Ejaaz: have every day, but invite your friends to collaborate on it. (12:59):
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Ejaaz: Now, before we go any further, I need to give you guys a breakdown as to what the hell this thing is. (13:02):
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Ejaaz: So it's basically, it's a new experience that will make it easy for people to (13:07):
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Ejaaz: collaborate with each other. and ChatGPT. (13:12):
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Ejaaz: So there's two main key features. (13:14):
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Ejaaz: Key feature number one is collaborating with your friends and family. (13:16):
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Ejaaz: So the idea is to bring ChatGPT into the same conversation that you're having (13:20):
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Ejaaz: in your text messages, in your iMessages, wherever you text with your friends and your family. (13:24):
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Ejaaz: So some examples of what you can do having ChatGPT in this message context would (13:29):
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Ejaaz: be things like planning trips. (13:33):
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Ejaaz: So let's say you're planning a weekend trip and you're talking to friends. (13:35):
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Ejaaz: You can create a group chat and add ChatGPT to it. (13:38):
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Ejaaz: And it kind of listens to everything that is said, it can kind of suggest destinations, (13:41):
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Ejaaz: kind of rule out other options, and stuff like that. (13:44):
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Ejaaz: But there are also other forms of stuff that you can do with it, Josh. (13:47):
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Ejaaz: One example is hands on work, which honestly, I could use or benefit a lot from (13:50):
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Ejaaz: this, which is projects like designing a backyard garden. (13:55):
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Ejaaz: I have a terrace that is currently unadorned with furniture. (13:58):
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Ejaaz: And I'm like, how the hell do I figure out what this looks like, (14:01):
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Ejaaz: I can just take a picture, put it in a group chat with my girlfriend. (14:05):
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Ejaaz: And I can discuss kind of like what kinds of furniture preferences we like, (14:08):
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Ejaaz: where we want to put furniture, what kind of size dimensions, (14:11):
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Ejaaz: where should we order it from? How long is it going to take? (14:13):
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Ejaaz: Stuff like that. And AI can just kind of like outsource. I can outsource all of that to ChatGPT. (14:15):
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Ejaaz: And the final part, Josh, I don't know if you have any siblings. (14:20):
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Ejaaz: I have a sister. We argue all the time about a bunch of decisions that we're (14:24):
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Ejaaz: going to do for the family. (14:28):
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Ejaaz: Group decisions. I can now add ChatGPT and prove to her that I'm right about (14:29):
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Ejaaz: most things here, right? (14:34):
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Ejaaz: But all jokes aside, I think this is a really cool feature in the sense that (14:35):
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Ejaaz: it's going to help people in general be way more productive. (14:40):
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Ejaaz: And the way I kind of look at it is rather than me kind of like having this (14:44):
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Ejaaz: siloed app that I use that I speak and communicate with different people and (14:48):
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Ejaaz: then going to ChatGPT to kind of fact check things, this should all be one thing completely. (14:53):
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Ejaaz: And so I'm all for this. And I think it's a really smart move from OpenAI because (14:58):
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Ejaaz: they're just going to get so much more data on everyone's behavioral habits, (15:01):
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Ejaaz: which is going to lead to just better products coming out of them. (15:07):
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Ejaaz: I mean, there's a reason why you and I keep using OpenAI products. (15:09):
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Ejaaz: It's because they've tied that bow on the product loop so well. (15:12):
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Ejaaz: And this is just another example. (15:15):
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Josh: Oh, what a great growth hack. I really, I really believe that Meta probably (15:16):
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Josh: envies this strongly because they have the whole community, they have the ecosystem, (15:21):
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Josh: They just never paired them together. (15:24):
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Josh: And what an amazing growth hack because so much of the conversation that doesn't (15:26):
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Josh: happen on social media, it happens in group chats. (15:30):
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Josh: Group chats are the biggest way that people really communicate. (15:33):
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Josh: And by integrating AI into that, it's such a powerful unlock. (15:35):
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Josh: And for people who aren't familiar, previously, if you wanted to share a conversation (15:38):
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Josh: that you had in chat GPT with a friend, you had to share the whole conversation that you had. (15:42):
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Josh: And then they could open it up and they can fork it and they could create their (15:46):
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Josh: own conversation from it. But it wasn't a very collaborative thing. (15:49):
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Josh: It was very one-sided, read-only. (15:52):
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Josh: This bakes it into the entire process. So if you have friends who all have ChatGPT, (15:54):
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Josh: because now there's probably a billion weekly active users. (15:59):
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Josh: So my guess is at least a couple of them already have it. You just add them to the app. (16:01):
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Josh: You guys can chat. You have the best assistant in the world. (16:06):
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Josh: I assume there's going to be a world in which it can collect multiple email (16:08):
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Josh: addresses, calendars, sync up events that you want to do, check when everyone's (16:13):
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Josh: free without sharing when everyone's free and create times that everyone can hang out. (16:17):
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Josh: There's just this hugely powerful unlock that happens as group chats evolve in ChatGPT. (16:20):
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Josh: And as I'm going through this, I'm like, okay, well, Meta should have done this. (16:26):
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Josh: Apple should have done this. (16:30):
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Josh: Google i don't know if google could have done it but those are the top two but (16:33):
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Josh: it just leaves me like man this was this was low-hanging fruit and again like (16:36):
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Josh: you said ejaz another product with another viral loop that will get open ai (16:39):
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Josh: and chat gpt way more users way (16:42):
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Josh: more stickiness just continuing to pile on the value into this app yeah. (16:45):
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Ejaaz: I couldn't agree more they're just like that they're hitting repeated home runs (16:49):
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Ejaaz: out the park um the if you're wondering you know how the hell do you get access (16:52):
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Ejaaz: to this it's available to you right now free pro uh premium whatever all the (16:56):
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Ejaaz: plans are, you have access to it. (17:01):
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Ejaaz: Simply go to any conversation that you've started with ChatGPT and on the top (17:03):
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Ejaaz: right hand side, you're going to see a people icon with a plus sign. (17:07):
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Ejaaz: If you tap that, you'll get a shareable link that you can share with up to 20 (17:11):
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Ejaaz: friends or you can invite up to 20 friends to your conversation. (17:15):
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Ejaaz: And what it does is it creates a copy of that conversation into another version of that conversation. (17:18):
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Ejaaz: It's like one-to-one, but you have a private version where you've started that (17:24):
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Ejaaz: conversation, then you have the other one where it has all your friends. (17:28):
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Ejaaz: And it separates the information between the two. (17:30):
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Ejaaz: So I can imagine some of the worries that people have is like, (17:33):
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Ejaaz: well, I have a lot of personal information that I've shared with ChatGPT that (17:36):
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Ejaaz: I don't want my friends to know about. (17:39):
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Ejaaz: So is it going to share certain memories that it has about me with my friends? (17:41):
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Ejaaz: It's complete privacy. These are two separate databases. This is just to help (17:45):
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Ejaaz: you kind of interact with your friends more and create something cool. (17:50):
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Ejaaz: Josh, another really cool part about this that I haven't seen too many people (17:53):
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Ejaaz: talk about is in order to enable this feature, (17:57):
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Ejaaz: the OpenAI team built some very specific social behaviors for ChatGPT to interact (18:01):
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Ejaaz: with people in the group chat. (18:09):
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Ejaaz: So I'll give you an example. So typically, it's been taught to just, (18:12):
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Ejaaz: you know, kind of keep quiet, don't interrupt too much. (18:16):
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Ejaaz: It interrupts only when it thinks it can have a useful kind of suggestion, (18:19):
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Ejaaz: or when it's kind of like prompted. (18:23):
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Ejaaz: So you can add ChatGPT in any kind of response that you have to your friends (18:25):
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Ejaaz: to kind of prompt it to say something. (18:30):
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Ejaaz: But otherwise, it might just kind of like, but in here and there. (18:32):
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Ejaaz: Another really cool thing, Josh, is that it emoji reacts to people's messages, (18:36):
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Ejaaz: just like a real person would. So if it kind of like agrees with you, (18:40):
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Ejaaz: if it agrees with you, but it doesn't necessarily want to be like, (18:43):
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Ejaaz: hey, Josh, that's a fantastic suggestion, just gives you a thumbs up or might give you a winky face. (18:46):
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Ejaaz: I don't I don't know, but it kind of interacts like a real human being. (18:50):
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Ejaaz: You can kind of tweak its personality depending and it evolves with the group conversation. (18:54):
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Ejaaz: Let's say, you know, it's a group chat with the boys and it's a bit more banterist. (18:59):
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Ejaaz: It'll kind of adjust to that versus if it's kind of like a more kind of like (19:02):
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Ejaaz: tame thing with the family, it'll adjust to that. It'll be more respectful. (19:05):
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Ejaaz: It also has access to your profile and your profile pictures. (19:09):
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Ejaaz: So let's say you want to say, hey, guys, it's Christmas time. (19:13):
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Ejaaz: We're planning a big party. (19:17):
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Ejaaz: I can't wait for this, guys. I'm so excited. Christmas is my favorite holiday ever. (19:19):
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Ejaaz: You know, you might wake up the next day with the Josh profile picture with (19:23):
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Ejaaz: a Santa Claus hat or Ejaz wearing an elf costume. (19:27):
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Ejaaz: You know, it has fun. It has this personable kind of like friend, (19:29):
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Ejaaz: but it's not really real kind of vibe going about it, which I thought was, (19:34):
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Ejaaz: again, to tie in the product group, very good at kind of getting people to be (19:38):
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Ejaaz: at ease with AI and give up their information. (19:42):
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Josh: Yeah. It's a lot of data too, man. Like the amount of extra personal data you'll (19:44):
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Josh: collect on and everybody is massive. And you could start to create this network. (19:49):
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Josh: Like they're starting to build an actual social network where you can get these (19:53):
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Josh: nodes on a graph. You could see how they relate to each other, (19:56):
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Josh: who talks to who about what. (19:57):
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Josh: I'm curious what role that played in the decision to actually make this a reality. (19:59):
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Josh: Outside of the social flywheel. This is also a data collection flywheel and (20:03):
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Josh: it puts them in a really good spot. (20:07):
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Josh: But I have to ask myself the question is, am I going to use this? (20:08):
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Josh: Ejaz, are you going to use this? Like, is this actually strong enough to get you to leave? (20:12):
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Ejaaz: Okay. So here is my killer thesis behind this. And I specifically use the word killer here. (20:15):
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Ejaaz: If this plays out and it is a good enough product, right? (20:22):
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Ejaaz: I don't see why you wouldn't use this over something like iMessage. (20:26):
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Ejaaz: Or wherever you text with people. Because in my opinion, if I can speak to my (20:31):
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Ejaaz: friend, everyone, like you said, you've got almost probably a billion weekly (20:35):
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Ejaaz: active users of ChatGPT. (20:38):
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Ejaaz: A bunch of my friends already use it. I would rather have a text chat with them (20:40):
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Ejaaz: with an AI in there, which can verify links that are posted in there, (20:44):
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Ejaaz: which has an entire memory and context on our entire conversation. (20:48):
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Ejaaz: So it can bring up text that someone's mentioned in the past to prove a point (20:51):
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Ejaaz: or to kind of like share kind of knowledgeable information. (20:54):
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Ejaaz: And just to be that better kind of like wise man in the group chat, (20:57):
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Ejaaz: Why wouldn't I use something like that? (21:01):
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Ejaaz: That sounds like a much better user experience than me typing random text and (21:02):
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Ejaaz: scrolling and searching for the names that I'm looking for, right? (21:07):
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Ejaaz: I think it's a much better experience. (21:09):
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Ejaaz: I think this eventually kills iMessage. Like, why wouldn't Apple be shaking right now? (21:11):
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Josh: Yeah iMessage it's really so sticky i really love iMessage and we always talk (21:15):
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Josh: about the moats that apple has one of them being the blue the blue dots when (21:20):
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Josh: you're texting people the blue bubbles um they have a few moats though that (21:23):
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Josh: are starting to fall and this is slightly unrelated but i wanted to bring it (21:28):
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Josh: up this week which is android and google's new rollout of. (21:31):
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Josh: Airdrop which is weird because when i say airdrop yeah so airdrop like the way (21:35):
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Josh: that you it's the best feature in the world if you have a file on one of your (21:39):
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Josh: apple devices and you want to get it to another one of either yours or a friend's (21:43):
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Josh: Apple device, you can just airdrop it. (21:46):
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Josh: And using some magic wireless technology, it just shows up on their phone so (21:48):
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Josh: long as you are in close proximity to them. (21:52):
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Josh: And this is normally how, like when we hang out, this is how we transfer photos. (21:54):
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Josh: It's quick, it's high fidelity. (21:57):
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Josh: It just transfers raw files, huge amounts of data. It is an amazing feature (21:59):
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Josh: exclusive to Apple. Well, Google just this week, (22:03):
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Josh: They rolled out airdrop support for iOS, which is really weird because Apple (22:07):
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Josh: certainly doesn't want that to happen. (22:12):
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Josh: And it appears as if they reverse engineered Apple's airdrop function, (22:14):
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Josh: and they figured out how to create a companion that is compatible with the Apple (22:18):
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Josh: airdrop functionality. (22:23):
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Josh: And to me, this signals one of two things. (22:24):
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Josh: One is that Apple's monopoly on these things that keep the ecosystem sticky is starting to fall. (22:27):
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Josh: First, it was the rich text messaging where you could actually send Android (22:35):
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Josh: users emojis and you could send photos in true resolution. (22:39):
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Josh: Now it's an airdrop feature that's getting emulated. If they can figure out (22:44):
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Josh: how to airdrop, maybe they can figure out how to emulate blue bubbles. (22:48):
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Josh: And this comes against the backdrop of antiretron lawsuits that have been continuously (22:51):
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Josh: happening of Apple's kind of restrictive... (22:55):
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Josh: Ideologies and capabilities when it comes to keeping people locked into their platform. (22:59):
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Josh: So Apple kind of has two options. One, they either lean into it and they just (23:03):
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Josh: suck it up and they take that blow. (23:07):
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Josh: I suspect that's not going to happen too, is that they're probably going to (23:08):
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Josh: cut this off and say, no, you cannot do this. (23:10):
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Josh: But in the case they do, well, then they get into antitrust trouble and you (23:13):
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Josh: don't know what kind of rabbit hole that's going to go down. (23:16):
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Josh: So there is this monopoly on Apple that's starting to be attacked pretty directly. (23:18):
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Josh: And I wonder if that's going to further enhance the flywheel, (23:23):
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Josh: the social effects of people wanting to use alternatives like ChatGPT's group chats or even like XAI. (23:26):
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Josh: EJS, I don't know if you saw the new X chat feature that rolled out recently. They have chat. (23:34):
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Josh: They're one button away from rolling rock into those and you could create group (23:37):
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Josh: chats and like there is going to be a lot of competition. (23:41):
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Josh: And what we're finding is, EJS, we always talk about this, but AI is going to be everywhere. (23:44):
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Josh: And if you could build a stack that meets people where they are and integrates (23:49):
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Josh: AI faster and better than anybody else and get those users locked in early, (23:53):
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Josh: this is the race that's being played. and JackGPT made a big move this week. (23:56):
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Josh: It's true. And dropping group chats. (24:00):
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Josh: So I don't know if I'm going to race to have a group chat, but we should spin (24:01):
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Josh: one up and try it and play around with it and see how much we really like it. (24:05):
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Ejaaz: I'm down. I'm going to start one right after this episode. I was just thinking (24:09):
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Ejaaz: the counter argument would be like, I just don't see Apple sitting around and (24:13):
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Ejaaz: letting this happen to them, right? (24:18):
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Ejaaz: They signed that deal recently with Google to get their custom-made Gemini model (24:19):
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Ejaaz: made specifically for Apple. (24:26):
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Ejaaz: Into Siri and into their iOS, which means that we're going to have an Apple (24:28):
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Ejaaz: AI in Siri sometime in 2026. (24:32):
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Ejaaz: And I can imagine that that's probably going to be available in the text feature as well. (24:35):
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Ejaaz: So I can't imagine Apple's going to sit around, but they are very much on the back foot right now. (24:40):
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Ejaaz: And it's not looking great when you have companies like XAI, (24:45):
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Ejaaz: Grok, and OpenAI with group chats kind of pushing aggressively into the social (24:49):
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Ejaaz: realm. Like this is the first time, if you think about it, (24:54):
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Ejaaz: My interaction with ChatGPT has been very one-on-one, right? (24:57):
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Ejaaz: It's kind of very siloed. (25:00):
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Ejaaz: And now they're kind of tapping into the social graph where not only am I just (25:01):
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Ejaaz: kind of using ChatGPT to get information, and it does it in a really reliable way. (25:05):
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Ejaaz: I would say I spent about 40% of my internet browsing time on ChatGPT. (25:09):
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Ejaaz: Now it's tapping into my social arc, Josh. (25:14):
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Ejaaz: Now it's tapping into personal information. Now it's tapping into my leisure and my joy. (25:16):
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Ejaaz: It's going to know about my jokes that I make. It might make me laugh. I don't know. (25:21):
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Ejaaz: It might react like, you know, with a smiley emoji to my joke and I might feel good about it. (25:24):
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Ejaaz: So it's a really interesting kind of realm and it's so weird to think about. (25:29):
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Ejaaz: I don't know what it's going to look like. Meta is definitely fuming. (25:32):
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Ejaaz: Meta is definitely angry that they didn't do something like this. (25:35):
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Josh: Well, it seems like everybody's fuming. Everyone just like, everyone's competing. (25:38):
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Josh: It's so hyper competitive. Everyone wants to win. (25:41):
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Josh: Apple is one good update away from breaking this mold and just keeping us locked in. (25:43):
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Josh: So while Apple always moves the slowest and normally the best, (25:48):
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Josh: they are going to need to have some urgency before they really just lose this (25:51):
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Josh: moat. So I'm hopeful for some new updates. (25:55):
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Josh: This is not the end of the group chat. (25:57):
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Josh: This may be the beginning of the AI group chat, but this is certainly only step (25:59):
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Josh: one in the journey. But that's it. (26:02):
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Josh: That is two cool tools that released this week that are really, really cool. (26:04):
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Josh: Like we're getting some good stuff fairly quickly. (26:09):
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Josh: I would encourage everyone to try them out. Let us know what you think. (26:11):
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Josh: In particular, I want your Nano Banana Pro prompts. (26:15):
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Josh: I want to know the cool prompts that you're using to make these fun types of (26:18):
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Josh: images, whether it be, you know, walking down the aisle with someone or just (26:22):
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Josh: a really cool graphic or whatever. (26:26):
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Josh: Because again, it's just creativity constraints. So if you could come up with (26:28):
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Josh: a good prompt, let us know, share it, share it with your friends, (26:30):
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Josh: just like you're hopefully going to share this episode with them. (26:33):
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Josh: And also don't forget to subscribe. If you do subscribe on YouTube, (26:36):
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Josh: Notifies you when new videos go live and who wouldn't want to know when new (26:42):
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Josh: videos go live three times a week. (26:46):
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Josh: So yeah, that's it. That's all we got. Go try them out, test it out, (26:48):
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Josh: share with your friends. (26:51):
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Josh: Don't forget to like, comment, subscribe, all the great new stuff and we will (26:52):
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Josh: see you guys on the next episode see you guys for watching peace. (26:55):
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Ejaaz: But what if I told you this week, not one, but two brand new AI tools just dropped (00:04):
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Ejaaz: that will change the way you interact with AI on a daily basis? (00:09):
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Ejaaz: The first was released by OpenAI called Group Chats, which, in my opinion, (00:13):
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Ejaaz: is going to kill iMessage. It's going to change text and group messaging forever. (00:17):
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Ejaaz: And the second is called NanoBanana Pro, released by none other than Google (00:20):
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Ejaaz: themselves, their new text-to-image generation model powered by the almighty (00:24):
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Ejaaz: and all-powerful Gemini Pro 3. (00:29):
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Ejaaz: There's so much to unpack with these tools, so I want to get right into it. (00:32):
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Ejaaz: But Josh, I haven't seen you in a while. (00:35):
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Ejaaz: For context of the listeners, Josh and I have been traveling this entire week, (00:38):
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Ejaaz: so I haven't caught up with Josh. Josh, like, what's been going on? (00:41):
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Josh: I've had a really, really good week. A huge week in my life. Very exciting times. (00:44):
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Josh: I think it's probably time to share with the audience kind of like what's been (00:48):
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Josh: going on more behind the scenes in my personal life, if that's cool with you. (00:51):
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Josh: I shared a few photos, but if you don't mind, us walking through them. (00:54):
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Josh: Okay yeah yeah yeah so um yeah married married this weekend which was really (00:56):
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Josh: exciting yeah you just i'm not sure if you knew that i am friends with quite (01:01):
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Josh: a few celebrities um beyonce tom cruise, (01:04):
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Josh: um josh what the hell yeah is that kendall. (01:08):
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Ejaaz: Jenner are you (01:11):
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Josh: Going to congratulate me or are you just going to stare wait. (01:12):
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Ejaaz: Dude i'm just looking through these pics (01:14):
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Josh: There's another one yeah down the aisle okay (01:18):
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Josh: it's a very beautiful wedding very grateful to have people like beyonce around (01:21):
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Josh: with me leo dicaprio you know all the homies oh you're (01:24):
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Josh: skipping too far ahead man it's the after party i mean the after (01:27):
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Josh: party was great was in good company we had uh we had elon sundar (01:30):
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Josh: tim cook all you know all of the homies they (01:33):
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Josh: were all just kind of hanging out afterwards talking shop talking about the future (01:36):
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Josh: of AI and then honeymoon afterwards which was pretty (01:39):
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Josh: eventful I really enjoyed yeah I went to (01:42):
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Josh: the beach well you had a good time undisclosed location you know when you roll (01:45):
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Josh: with high high people like that you can't really talk about what you're doing (01:49):
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Josh: but also just kidding this is all AI because there's the photo with Elon as (01:51):
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Josh: well and this is just like so while we were preparing for this episode I was (01:56):
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Josh: like well let's just try to use nano banana and come up with some dumb, funny stuff. (01:59):
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Josh: And it works so well. This is a fully AI generated version. Granted, (02:03):
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Josh: they gave Elon probably a couple more packs on his gut than he really has in person. (02:06):
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Josh: It looks great. And it's a testament to... (02:11):
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Josh: Not to scale. It's a testament to how amazing these new AI image generation (02:14):
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Josh: models are. They are fantastic. (02:18):
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Josh: This is the official announcement released from Sundar. Nano Banana Pro is out. (02:21):
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Josh: The images you just saw earlier, those are all done with a single prompt in Nano Banana. (02:25):
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Josh: We mentioned it in the roundup last week, but I figured it would be good to (02:29):
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Josh: have an episode about this and (02:31):
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Josh: the group chats because there's a lot more than I think we spoke about. (02:33):
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Josh: And as I've used it more, I've started to learn a lot more about the capabilities (02:35):
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Josh: and it is blowing my mind across the spectrum. (02:38):
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Josh: One of the things that's unique to the new model is that it's really good at (02:41):
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Josh: understanding diagrams for some reason. Diagrams is the hot new use case. (02:45):
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Josh: So we have a lot of examples that we could walk through. One of them is with Notebook LM. (02:49):
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Josh: This is Google's AI tool that integrates with Nano Banana. And it shows an infographic (02:53):
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Josh: to a book. So this is an author who posted this. (02:58):
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Josh: And the author has a story that he tells through the book. (03:01):
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Josh: So what Notebook does, it ingests the content of the book, (03:04):
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Josh: turns it into a visual graphic and then (03:07):
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Josh: plots all of the plot like the plot elements and (03:10):
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Josh: the characters and the the context all onto a map so you could kind of see how (03:14):
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Josh: the book is visually and yeah you could keep going through these examples and (03:18):
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Josh: if you're not listening i highly suggest going to spotify or youtube watching (03:22):
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Josh: this because the examples are are pretty incredible these are cool yeah you (03:25):
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Josh: just have you had a chance to play around with this at all the new i i. (03:30):
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Ejaaz: Actually haven't so this dropped what like three days (03:33):
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Ejaaz: ago now josh very recently i haven't i've been able to get around to it but (03:36):
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Ejaaz: i have to say like i i'm comparing this my other checkpoint was with nano banana (03:40):
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Ejaaz: version one and this is just so much better i mean the fidelity on these things (03:46):
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Ejaaz: the intricacies of these diagrams like i wish i had these (03:50):
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Ejaaz: Like the way my mind jumps right now is like, I wish I had these back at school (03:54):
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Ejaaz: or like high school or college. Yeah. (03:57):
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Ejaaz: Because this would help me learn things in so many different ways. This is awesome. (03:59):
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Josh: Wow. It's cool. And if you have a book that you like, you can just upload the (04:03):
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Josh: book and it will create a full visual diagram, plot line, the whole thing of the book. (04:06):
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Josh: And it doesn't stop there. There's an example that I saw that I loved, (04:10):
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Josh: which was for LinkedIn, people who are looking for jobs, people who want to (04:12):
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Josh: kind of show their career path. (04:15):
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Josh: This is an infographic trend where you can upload your LinkedIn to Nano Banana (04:18):
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Josh: and it will create a career path for you. In whatever theme that you want. (04:22):
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Ejaaz: It's already a better product than LinkedIn, Josh. (04:25):
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Josh: Oh, yeah, right. How cool is this? So what you're seeing on screen here is like, (04:27):
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Josh: okay, the person started maybe in high school or college. (04:30):
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Josh: It shows the railroad track, how they're going through their career. (04:32):
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Josh: It looks like they're at Google from 2009 to the present. (04:35):
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Josh: And you could really, you could see in a very fun visual way, (04:38):
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Josh: all the accomplishments they've done, their kind of journey through their career. (04:41):
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Josh: It's really, really cool. (04:44):
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Josh: And in a way, this is a much more exciting LinkedIn resume. And I think it's (04:46):
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Josh: probably a testament to the new creative unlocks that we'll see as people start (04:50):
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Josh: to learn more about Nano Banana and understand how it works. (04:54):
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Josh: Just like how impressively fun it can be across the spectrum. (04:56):
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Josh: If you're looking for a job, this is a great way to stand out. (05:01):
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Ejaaz: Josh, what about this? This is insane. So for those of you who are listening, (05:03):
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Ejaaz: these are all of Josh's friends who, funnily enough, turned up to his fake wedding. (05:08):
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Ejaaz: I'm actually upset that you aren't actually with Kendall Jenner because you (05:12):
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Ejaaz: guys are such a great couple in that image. (05:15):
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Ejaaz: I'm sure many people are gonna give that a go but right now i'm staring at an (05:18):
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Ejaaz: image of a bunch of celebrities (05:22):
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Ejaaz: on the rooftop of what looks to be some kind of penthouse apartment building (05:26):
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Ejaaz: and we have iron man we've got tony stark we've got wolf of wall street leo (05:29):
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Ejaaz: dicaprio we've got zendaya in in the spider man costume what happened to tom (05:34):
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Ejaaz: holland we've got um beyonce j-lo so many people what is going on here you know what it is josh um (05:38):
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Ejaaz: It's so like strikingly accurate. It's way more accurate. It's less fake. (05:45):
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Ejaaz: Like I'm looking at these and I'm like, you know what? If I was looking at this (05:50):
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Ejaaz: from afar, this would be totally convincing if this was posted on social media. (05:53):
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Josh: And this is a one-shot prompt too. This was one prompt. It didn't even list (05:59):
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Josh: I think one of the fun things that we're starting to see with image generation (06:06):
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Josh: A lot of these examples, they use actual faces, actual people. (06:11):
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Josh: And previously that hasn't really been possible in these image gen models. (06:14):
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Josh: So they're slowly lowering the threshold of what's acceptable, (06:18):
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Josh: or I guess slowly raising the threshold of what's acceptable in terms of what (06:23):
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Josh: types of content you could create using these models. (06:26):
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Josh: And I guess eventually it poses some questions. You said the scary word copyright (06:28):
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Josh: or trademark or likeness. (06:33):
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Josh: As you can start to use these more and more with more accuracy, (06:36):
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Josh: it does feel like a bit of a slippery slope, but I'm loving it because it's (06:39):
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Josh: just so much fun to play around with. (06:44):
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Ejaaz: So if you remember when Sora 2, which is OpenAI's text-to-video app, (06:45):
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Ejaaz: so it's like TikTok, but AI-generated videos, when it first launched, (06:52):
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Ejaaz: it was using celebrity media to create a bunch of cameos. (06:56):
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Ejaaz: Do you remember this? I was looking at Jake Paul. I was looking at Tom Cruise. (06:59):
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Ejaaz: I was looking at a bunch of these celebrities that were looking on our screen (07:02):
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Ejaaz: right now in a video with me or with my friends. And I was like, (07:04):
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Ejaaz: whoa, this is strikingly realistic. (07:07):
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Ejaaz: This is super cool. But eventually they started disabling a bunch of the abilities (07:09):
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Ejaaz: to cameo with those celebrities because of the copyright things. (07:14):
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Ejaaz: I'm now wondering how Google is able to kind of pull this off, (07:17):
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Ejaaz: right? Because I can imagine that some of these celebrities in this picture (07:21):
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Ejaaz: will be fine with doing that. (07:24):
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Ejaaz: But other celebrities probably would hate that. (07:25):
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Ejaaz: So I'm curious how they're going to tread that line as to what's legal and what's illegal here. (07:28):
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Josh: I really hope they keep their foot on the gas because I'm enjoying this. (07:32):
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Josh: But EJ, you also mentioned education, learning as ways to learn. (07:35):
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Josh: There are tons of educational tools here. This one being one of my favorites. (07:39):
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Josh: The post says, until a few hours ago, creating this kind of scientific image (07:43):
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Josh: would have required at least an hour of professional work. (07:46):
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Josh: Now with Nano Banana Pro, it takes a simple prompt and less than 30 seconds. (07:49):
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Josh: The prompt was described in an illustration the events for a psiotoxic T cell (07:53):
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Josh: recognizing and killing a cancer cell. (07:57):
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Josh: And it created this beautiful graphic that very clearly shows how a cell can kill a cancer cell. (07:59):
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Josh: And I think it's just this really big unlock where particularly if you're a visual learner, (08:05):
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Josh: you could ask the model to describe to you basically anything you want and it (08:09):
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Josh: can create these educational visual graphics that used to be only available (08:13):
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Josh: to people in textbooks and limited in scope to whatever the textbook was talking about. (08:16):
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Josh: This on the other hand does not. It's fully open-ended and yeah, (08:21):
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Josh: this is another example here. (08:25):
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Josh: So on the screen, we're seeing this kind of diagram that shows a horse's mouth and the teeth. (08:25):
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Josh: And apparently, this is what I just learned today, is that you can determine (08:30):
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Josh: a horse's age by its teeth. (08:34):
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Josh: And in a single prompt, it was able to generate a visual guide that shows you (08:36):
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Josh: on a spectrum how old the horse would be based on what the teeth look like. (08:40):
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Josh: And I find this so fascinating and so useful because if there's anything you (08:44):
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Josh: ever wanna learn about, not only can you do it, but you can get a completely (08:48):
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Josh: high fidelity, high accuracy visual graphic on anything and then share that with the world. (08:52):
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Josh: So I imagine marketplaces for this could hopefully show up where textbooks now (08:57):
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Josh: are much more accessible. Visual graphics are much more accessible. (09:01):
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Josh: Art in general is much more accessible, but just learning and being able to (09:04):
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Josh: have this visual companion tool is so cool. (09:07):
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Josh: So Nano Banana Pro, again, this is just like the onion that keeps getting peeled (09:10):
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Josh: back. There are so many layers to what it's capable of. (09:13):
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Josh: And as we go, we'll just continue to find more. And I'm loving playing around with it. (09:16):
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Ejaaz: Yeah, I mean, being such a visual learner myself, I could have really used and (09:20):
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Ejaaz: will continue to use something like this going forwards when I learn any brand new concept. (09:25):
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Ejaaz: Like when I was if I go back to the tweet where it's like showing how this T (09:30):
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Ejaaz: cell kills a cancer cell. (09:35):
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Ejaaz: I've read so many paragraphs in my grade school literature books, (09:37):
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Ejaaz: science books explaining how this works. But if I had this kind of like clear, (09:42):
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Ejaaz: succinct image for every single concept that I didn't understand, (09:46):
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Ejaaz: I'd probably have done a lot, lot better. (09:48):
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Ejaaz: So this is super cool. I'm excited about how this kind of like changes performance (09:51):
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Ejaaz: for kids growing up with AI. (09:54):
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Ejaaz: It's kind of weird to think that like now any kid being born today will not (09:56):
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Ejaaz: know what it was like to grow up without having AI as a tool to kind of help them learn things. (10:01):
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Ejaaz: So this is like really game changing stuff. You may not see it immediately in (10:06):
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Ejaaz: front of you on TikTok, on social media, but you will see it in the realms of education, (10:10):
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Ejaaz: kind of work progress, and kind of like building each other's careers up, (10:15):
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Ejaaz: you know, to reference the example that you used earlier on in their lives. So this is super cool. (10:19):
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Ejaaz: Josh, how do I get access to something like this? (10:25):
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Ejaaz: I'm seeing, you know, Google AI Ultra subscribers get access, (10:29):
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Ejaaz: but is that all? Are there other ways to do this? (10:32):
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Josh: So if you're a pro subscriber, you get access to it for $20 a month. (10:35):
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Josh: And what we're seeing here on this post actually is the next (10:38):
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Josh: extension of nano banana pro because if you're (10:41):
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Josh: an ultra subscriber and you use the google flow studio you can (10:44):
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Josh: actually turn these images into videos and all (10:47):
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Josh: the fun images that we just saw created earlier in the day and if (10:50):
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Josh: you scroll down a little bit you can see you could generate actual movies (10:53):
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Josh: with them so none of this stuff that you're seeing on (10:56):
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Josh: screen is real um it was all generated with an image and then the image was (10:59):
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Josh: animated so if you want to do like if I wanted to walk down the aisle per se (11:03):
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Josh: I can generate the aisle image and then have myself walk down the aisle or go (11:08):
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Josh: swimming in the ocean or whatever it may be because again it has all the image (11:11):
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Josh: physics real world simulation stuff and I think, (11:15):
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Josh: What we're seeing is this natural progression between image generation to video (11:19):
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Josh: generation to 3D modeling to like virtual worlds. (11:22):
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Josh: And it very much feels like there's a clear trend here. And that's Nano Banana. (11:25):
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Josh: There's so much fun to be had there. You can make some images, (11:29):
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Josh: you can animate the images, turn them into movies, graphics, (11:32):
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Josh: videos, whatever you want. (11:34):
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Josh: The options are limitless. And this really feels like one of the first times in the world of visuals. (11:36):
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Josh: Oh yeah, they really messed up my face there. (11:42):
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Ejaaz: Man. I can't get over this image. Dude, they messed up your face. (11:44):
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Ejaaz: They messed up your face. Everything else is nailed. (11:46):
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Josh: They're missing a few apps on the bottom. They could have refined a little bit more. (11:48):
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Ejaaz: I think so. Listen, Kendall, if you're listening to this, I already know you're (11:52):
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Ejaaz: listening to this. You look beautiful. We're not hating on you. (11:56):
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Ejaaz: Feel free to reach out to the podcast if you want to feature on it. (11:59):
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Josh: Or me if you just want to call me. (12:01):
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Ejaaz: Yep, yep, yep. If you want to make this a reality, we're all about manifesting realities here. (12:03):
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Ejaaz: What a crazy tool. I think like aside from social media, this is going to be (12:07):
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Ejaaz: used for so many other wonderful things. (12:11):
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Ejaaz: I think people see a tool like this, Josh, and they're kind of like, oh, who cares? (12:12):
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Ejaaz: A bunch of fake social media misinformation that their minds kind of jump to the negative sense. (12:16):
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Ejaaz: But I think this is going to be used for a lot of positive good, (12:20):
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Ejaaz: including manifesting who we're going to marry. (12:23):
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Josh: So let's get that going. As always, it's a tool. It cuts both ways. (12:25):
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Josh: But that is not the only cool tool today, EJ. We got another one from OpenAI. (12:28):
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Ejaaz: Right. Enter my realm. This is the tool I'm most pumped about, Josh. (12:31):
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Ejaaz: I've been waiting for this for a while because ever since ChatGPT got released, (12:36):
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Ejaaz: my number one request, aside from memory, was... (12:39):
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Ejaaz: Can I share these conversations with my friends? Can I have these AI discussions with my friends? (12:43):
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Ejaaz: And finally, this week, OpenAI announced a feature called Group Chats, (12:50):
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Ejaaz: which basically allows you to have the same chat GPT conversation that you guys (12:55):
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Ejaaz: have every day, but invite your friends to collaborate on it. (12:59):
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Ejaaz: Now, before we go any further, I need to give you guys a breakdown as to what the hell this thing is. (13:02):
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Ejaaz: So it's basically, it's a new experience that will make it easy for people to (13:07):
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Ejaaz: collaborate with each other. and ChatGPT. (13:12):
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Ejaaz: So there's two main key features. (13:14):
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Ejaaz: Key feature number one is collaborating with your friends and family. (13:16):
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Ejaaz: So the idea is to bring ChatGPT into the same conversation that you're having (13:20):
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Ejaaz: in your text messages, in your iMessages, wherever you text with your friends and your family. (13:24):
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Ejaaz: So some examples of what you can do having ChatGPT in this message context would (13:29):
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Ejaaz: be things like planning trips. (13:33):
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Ejaaz: So let's say you're planning a weekend trip and you're talking to friends. (13:35):
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Ejaaz: You can create a group chat and add ChatGPT to it. (13:38):
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Ejaaz: And it kind of listens to everything that is said, it can kind of suggest destinations, (13:41):
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Ejaaz: kind of rule out other options, and stuff like that. (13:44):
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Ejaaz: But there are also other forms of stuff that you can do with it, Josh. (13:47):
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Ejaaz: One example is hands on work, which honestly, I could use or benefit a lot from (13:50):
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Ejaaz: this, which is projects like designing a backyard garden. (13:55):
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Ejaaz: I have a terrace that is currently unadorned with furniture. (13:58):
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Ejaaz: And I'm like, how the hell do I figure out what this looks like, (14:01):
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Ejaaz: I can just take a picture, put it in a group chat with my girlfriend. (14:05):
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Ejaaz: And I can discuss kind of like what kinds of furniture preferences we like, (14:08):
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Ejaaz: where we want to put furniture, what kind of size dimensions, (14:11):
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Ejaaz: where should we order it from? How long is it going to take? (14:13):
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Ejaaz: Stuff like that. And AI can just kind of like outsource. I can outsource all of that to ChatGPT. (14:15):
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Ejaaz: And the final part, Josh, I don't know if you have any siblings. (14:20):
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Ejaaz: I have a sister. We argue all the time about a bunch of decisions that we're (14:24):
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Ejaaz: going to do for the family. (14:28):
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Ejaaz: Group decisions. I can now add ChatGPT and prove to her that I'm right about (14:29):
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Ejaaz: most things here, right? (14:34):
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Ejaaz: But all jokes aside, I think this is a really cool feature in the sense that (14:35):
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Ejaaz: it's going to help people in general be way more productive. (14:40):
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Ejaaz: And the way I kind of look at it is rather than me kind of like having this (14:44):
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Ejaaz: siloed app that I use that I speak and communicate with different people and (14:48):
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Ejaaz: then going to ChatGPT to kind of fact check things, this should all be one thing completely. (14:53):
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Ejaaz: And so I'm all for this. And I think it's a really smart move from OpenAI because (14:58):
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Ejaaz: they're just going to get so much more data on everyone's behavioral habits, (15:01):
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Ejaaz: which is going to lead to just better products coming out of them. (15:07):
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Ejaaz: I mean, there's a reason why you and I keep using OpenAI products. (15:09):
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Ejaaz: It's because they've tied that bow on the product loop so well. (15:12):
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Ejaaz: And this is just another example. (15:15):
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Josh: Oh, what a great growth hack. I really, I really believe that Meta probably (15:16):
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Josh: envies this strongly because they have the whole community, they have the ecosystem, (15:21):
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Josh: They just never paired them together. (15:24):
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Josh: And what an amazing growth hack because so much of the conversation that doesn't (15:26):
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Josh: happen on social media, it happens in group chats. (15:30):
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Josh: Group chats are the biggest way that people really communicate. (15:33):
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Josh: And by integrating AI into that, it's such a powerful unlock. (15:35):
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Josh: And for people who aren't familiar, previously, if you wanted to share a conversation (15:38):
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Josh: that you had in chat GPT with a friend, you had to share the whole conversation that you had. (15:42):
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Josh: And then they could open it up and they can fork it and they could create their (15:46):
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Josh: own conversation from it. But it wasn't a very collaborative thing. (15:49):
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Josh: It was very one-sided, read-only. (15:52):
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Josh: This bakes it into the entire process. So if you have friends who all have ChatGPT, (15:54):
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Josh: because now there's probably a billion weekly active users. (15:59):
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Josh: So my guess is at least a couple of them already have it. You just add them to the app. (16:01):
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Josh: You guys can chat. You have the best assistant in the world. (16:06):
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Josh: I assume there's going to be a world in which it can collect multiple email (16:08):
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Josh: addresses, calendars, sync up events that you want to do, check when everyone's (16:13):
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Josh: free without sharing when everyone's free and create times that everyone can hang out. (16:17):
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Josh: There's just this hugely powerful unlock that happens as group chats evolve in ChatGPT. (16:20):
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Josh: And as I'm going through this, I'm like, okay, well, Meta should have done this. (16:26):
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Josh: Apple should have done this. (16:30):
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Josh: Google i don't know if google could have done it but those are the top two but (16:33):
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Josh: it just leaves me like man this was this was low-hanging fruit and again like (16:36):
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Josh: you said ejaz another product with another viral loop that will get open ai (16:39):
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Josh: and chat gpt way more users way (16:42):
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Josh: more stickiness just continuing to pile on the value into this app yeah. (16:45):
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Ejaaz: I couldn't agree more they're just like that they're hitting repeated home runs (16:49):
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Ejaaz: out the park um the if you're wondering you know how the hell do you get access (16:52):
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Ejaaz: to this it's available to you right now free pro uh premium whatever all the (16:56):
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Ejaaz: plans are, you have access to it. (17:01):
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Ejaaz: Simply go to any conversation that you've started with ChatGPT and on the top (17:03):
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Ejaaz: right hand side, you're going to see a people icon with a plus sign. (17:07):
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Ejaaz: If you tap that, you'll get a shareable link that you can share with up to 20 (17:11):
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Ejaaz: friends or you can invite up to 20 friends to your conversation. (17:15):
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Ejaaz: And what it does is it creates a copy of that conversation into another version of that conversation. (17:18):
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Ejaaz: It's like one-to-one, but you have a private version where you've started that (17:24):
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Ejaaz: conversation, then you have the other one where it has all your friends. (17:28):
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Ejaaz: And it separates the information between the two. (17:30):
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Ejaaz: So I can imagine some of the worries that people have is like, (17:33):
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Ejaaz: well, I have a lot of personal information that I've shared with ChatGPT that (17:36):
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Ejaaz: I don't want my friends to know about. (17:39):
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Ejaaz: So is it going to share certain memories that it has about me with my friends? (17:41):
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Ejaaz: It's complete privacy. These are two separate databases. This is just to help (17:45):
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Ejaaz: you kind of interact with your friends more and create something cool. (17:50):
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Ejaaz: Josh, another really cool part about this that I haven't seen too many people (17:53):
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Ejaaz: talk about is in order to enable this feature, (17:57):
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Ejaaz: the OpenAI team built some very specific social behaviors for ChatGPT to interact (18:01):
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Ejaaz: with people in the group chat. (18:09):
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Ejaaz: So I'll give you an example. So typically, it's been taught to just, (18:12):
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Ejaaz: you know, kind of keep quiet, don't interrupt too much. (18:16):
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Ejaaz: It interrupts only when it thinks it can have a useful kind of suggestion, (18:19):
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Ejaaz: or when it's kind of like prompted. (18:23):
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Ejaaz: So you can add ChatGPT in any kind of response that you have to your friends (18:25):
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Ejaaz: to kind of prompt it to say something. (18:30):
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Ejaaz: But otherwise, it might just kind of like, but in here and there. (18:32):
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Ejaaz: Another really cool thing, Josh, is that it emoji reacts to people's messages, (18:36):
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Ejaaz: just like a real person would. So if it kind of like agrees with you, (18:40):
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Ejaaz: if it agrees with you, but it doesn't necessarily want to be like, (18:43):
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Ejaaz: hey, Josh, that's a fantastic suggestion, just gives you a thumbs up or might give you a winky face. (18:46):
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Ejaaz: I don't I don't know, but it kind of interacts like a real human being. (18:50):
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Ejaaz: You can kind of tweak its personality depending and it evolves with the group conversation. (18:54):
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Ejaaz: Let's say, you know, it's a group chat with the boys and it's a bit more banterist. (18:59):
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Ejaaz: It'll kind of adjust to that versus if it's kind of like a more kind of like (19:02):
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Ejaaz: tame thing with the family, it'll adjust to that. It'll be more respectful. (19:05):
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Ejaaz: It also has access to your profile and your profile pictures. (19:09):
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Ejaaz: So let's say you want to say, hey, guys, it's Christmas time. (19:13):
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Ejaaz: We're planning a big party. (19:17):
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Ejaaz: I can't wait for this, guys. I'm so excited. Christmas is my favorite holiday ever. (19:19):
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Ejaaz: You know, you might wake up the next day with the Josh profile picture with (19:23):
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Ejaaz: a Santa Claus hat or Ejaz wearing an elf costume. (19:27):
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Ejaaz: You know, it has fun. It has this personable kind of like friend, (19:29):
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Ejaaz: but it's not really real kind of vibe going about it, which I thought was, (19:34):
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Ejaaz: again, to tie in the product group, very good at kind of getting people to be (19:38):
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Ejaaz: at ease with AI and give up their information. (19:42):
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Josh: Yeah. It's a lot of data too, man. Like the amount of extra personal data you'll (19:44):
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Josh: collect on and everybody is massive. And you could start to create this network. (19:49):
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Josh: Like they're starting to build an actual social network where you can get these (19:53):
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Josh: nodes on a graph. You could see how they relate to each other, (19:56):
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Josh: who talks to who about what. (19:57):
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Josh: I'm curious what role that played in the decision to actually make this a reality. (19:59):
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Josh: Outside of the social flywheel. This is also a data collection flywheel and (20:03):
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Josh: it puts them in a really good spot. (20:07):
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Josh: But I have to ask myself the question is, am I going to use this? (20:08):
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Josh: Ejaz, are you going to use this? Like, is this actually strong enough to get you to leave? (20:12):
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Ejaaz: Okay. So here is my killer thesis behind this. And I specifically use the word killer here. (20:15):
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Ejaaz: If this plays out and it is a good enough product, right? (20:22):
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Ejaaz: I don't see why you wouldn't use this over something like iMessage. (20:26):
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Ejaaz: Or wherever you text with people. Because in my opinion, if I can speak to my (20:31):
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Ejaaz: friend, everyone, like you said, you've got almost probably a billion weekly (20:35):
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Ejaaz: active users of ChatGPT. (20:38):
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Ejaaz: A bunch of my friends already use it. I would rather have a text chat with them (20:40):
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Ejaaz: with an AI in there, which can verify links that are posted in there, (20:44):
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Ejaaz: which has an entire memory and context on our entire conversation. (20:48):
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Ejaaz: So it can bring up text that someone's mentioned in the past to prove a point (20:51):
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Ejaaz: or to kind of like share kind of knowledgeable information. (20:54):
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Ejaaz: And just to be that better kind of like wise man in the group chat, (20:57):
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Ejaaz: Why wouldn't I use something like that? (21:01):
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Ejaaz: That sounds like a much better user experience than me typing random text and (21:02):
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Ejaaz: scrolling and searching for the names that I'm looking for, right? (21:07):
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Ejaaz: I think it's a much better experience. (21:09):
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Ejaaz: I think this eventually kills iMessage. Like, why wouldn't Apple be shaking right now? (21:11):
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Josh: Yeah iMessage it's really so sticky i really love iMessage and we always talk (21:15):
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Josh: about the moats that apple has one of them being the blue the blue dots when (21:20):
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Josh: you're texting people the blue bubbles um they have a few moats though that (21:23):
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Josh: are starting to fall and this is slightly unrelated but i wanted to bring it (21:28):
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Josh: up this week which is android and google's new rollout of. (21:31):
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Josh: Airdrop which is weird because when i say airdrop yeah so airdrop like the way (21:35):
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Josh: that you it's the best feature in the world if you have a file on one of your (21:39):
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Josh: apple devices and you want to get it to another one of either yours or a friend's (21:43):
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Josh: Apple device, you can just airdrop it. (21:46):
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Josh: And using some magic wireless technology, it just shows up on their phone so (21:48):
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Josh: long as you are in close proximity to them. (21:52):
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Josh: And this is normally how, like when we hang out, this is how we transfer photos. (21:54):
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Josh: It's quick, it's high fidelity. (21:57):
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Josh: It just transfers raw files, huge amounts of data. It is an amazing feature (21:59):
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Josh: exclusive to Apple. Well, Google just this week, (22:03):
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Josh: They rolled out airdrop support for iOS, which is really weird because Apple (22:07):
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Josh: certainly doesn't want that to happen. (22:12):
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Josh: And it appears as if they reverse engineered Apple's airdrop function, (22:14):
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Josh: and they figured out how to create a companion that is compatible with the Apple (22:18):
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Josh: airdrop functionality. (22:23):
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Josh: And to me, this signals one of two things. (22:24):
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Josh: One is that Apple's monopoly on these things that keep the ecosystem sticky is starting to fall. (22:27):
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Josh: First, it was the rich text messaging where you could actually send Android (22:35):
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Josh: users emojis and you could send photos in true resolution. (22:39):
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Josh: Now it's an airdrop feature that's getting emulated. If they can figure out (22:44):
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Josh: how to airdrop, maybe they can figure out how to emulate blue bubbles. (22:48):
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Josh: And this comes against the backdrop of antiretron lawsuits that have been continuously (22:51):
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Josh: Ideologies and capabilities when it comes to keeping people locked into their platform. (22:59):
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Josh: So Apple kind of has two options. One, they either lean into it and they just (23:03):
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Josh: suck it up and they take that blow. (23:07):
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Josh: I suspect that's not going to happen too, is that they're probably going to (23:08):
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Josh: cut this off and say, no, you cannot do this. (23:10):
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Josh: But in the case they do, well, then they get into antitrust trouble and you (23:13):
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Josh: don't know what kind of rabbit hole that's going to go down. (23:16):
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Josh: So there is this monopoly on Apple that's starting to be attacked pretty directly. (23:18):
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Josh: And I wonder if that's going to further enhance the flywheel, (23:23):
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Josh: the social effects of people wanting to use alternatives like ChatGPT's group chats or even like XAI. (23:26):
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Josh: EJS, I don't know if you saw the new X chat feature that rolled out recently. They have chat. (23:34):
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Josh: They're one button away from rolling rock into those and you could create group (23:37):
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Josh: chats and like there is going to be a lot of competition. (23:41):
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Josh: And what we're finding is, EJS, we always talk about this, but AI is going to be everywhere. (23:44):
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Josh: And if you could build a stack that meets people where they are and integrates (23:49):
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Josh: AI faster and better than anybody else and get those users locked in early, (23:53):
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Josh: this is the race that's being played. and JackGPT made a big move this week. (23:56):
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Josh: It's true. And dropping group chats. (24:00):
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Josh: So I don't know if I'm going to race to have a group chat, but we should spin (24:01):
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Josh: one up and try it and play around with it and see how much we really like it. (24:05):
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Ejaaz: I'm down. I'm going to start one right after this episode. I was just thinking (24:09):
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Ejaaz: the counter argument would be like, I just don't see Apple sitting around and (24:13):
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Ejaaz: letting this happen to them, right? (24:18):
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Ejaaz: They signed that deal recently with Google to get their custom-made Gemini model (24:19):
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Ejaaz: made specifically for Apple. (24:26):
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Ejaaz: Into Siri and into their iOS, which means that we're going to have an Apple (24:28):
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Ejaaz: AI in Siri sometime in 2026. (24:32):
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Ejaaz: And I can imagine that that's probably going to be available in the text feature as well. (24:35):
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Ejaaz: So I can't imagine Apple's going to sit around, but they are very much on the back foot right now. (24:40):
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Ejaaz: And it's not looking great when you have companies like XAI, (24:45):
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Ejaaz: Grok, and OpenAI with group chats kind of pushing aggressively into the social (24:49):
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Ejaaz: realm. Like this is the first time, if you think about it, (24:54):
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Ejaaz: My interaction with ChatGPT has been very one-on-one, right? (24:57):
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Ejaaz: It's kind of very siloed. (25:00):
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Ejaaz: And now they're kind of tapping into the social graph where not only am I just (25:01):
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Ejaaz: kind of using ChatGPT to get information, and it does it in a really reliable way. (25:05):
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Ejaaz: I would say I spent about 40% of my internet browsing time on ChatGPT. (25:09):
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Ejaaz: Now it's tapping into my social arc, Josh. (25:14):
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Ejaaz: Now it's tapping into personal information. Now it's tapping into my leisure and my joy. (25:16):
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Ejaaz: It's going to know about my jokes that I make. It might make me laugh. I don't know. (25:21):
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Ejaaz: It might react like, you know, with a smiley emoji to my joke and I might feel good about it. (25:24):
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Ejaaz: So it's a really interesting kind of realm and it's so weird to think about. (25:29):
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Ejaaz: I don't know what it's going to look like. Meta is definitely fuming. (25:32):
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Ejaaz: Meta is definitely angry that they didn't do something like this. (25:35):
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Josh: Well, it seems like everybody's fuming. Everyone just like, everyone's competing. (25:38):
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Josh: It's so hyper competitive. Everyone wants to win. (25:41):
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Josh: Apple is one good update away from breaking this mold and just keeping us locked in. (25:43):
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Josh: So while Apple always moves the slowest and normally the best, (25:48):
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Josh: they are going to need to have some urgency before they really just lose this (25:51):
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Josh: moat. So I'm hopeful for some new updates. (25:55):
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Josh: This is not the end of the group chat. (25:57):
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Josh: This may be the beginning of the AI group chat, but this is certainly only step (25:59):
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Josh: one in the journey. But that's it. (26:02):
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Josh: That is two cool tools that released this week that are really, really cool. (26:04):
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Josh: Like we're getting some good stuff fairly quickly. (26:09):
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Josh: I would encourage everyone to try them out. Let us know what you think. (26:11):
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Josh: In particular, I want your Nano Banana Pro prompts. (26:15):
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Josh: I want to know the cool prompts that you're using to make these fun types of (26:18):
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Josh: images, whether it be, you know, walking down the aisle with someone or just (26:22):
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Josh: a really cool graphic or whatever. (26:26):
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Josh: Because again, it's just creativity constraints. So if you could come up with (26:28):
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Josh: a good prompt, let us know, share it, share it with your friends, (26:30):
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Josh: just like you're hopefully going to share this episode with them. (26:33):
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Josh: So yeah, that's it. That's all we got. Go try them out, test it out, (26:48):
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