In today’s episode, I’m joined by my mom, aka the one and only Queen Alice, to share her hilarious (and kind of wild) story about how supporting her minerals completely changed her health.
For years, she struggled with intense leg cramps, we’re talking full-body, middle-of-the-night, can’t-move kind of cramps. Doctors told her to drink more water, stretch, or just “deal with it.” But nothing worked… until we ran an HTMA test and discovered the real root cause: mineral depletion from years of stress.
You’ll hear:
- The moment we both realized something had to change (it involved an “exorcism-level” leg cramp)
- How stress, dehydration, and even margaritas were making things worse
- Why her magnesium was high but still not working and what that actually means
- The surprising benefits she noticed after balancing her minerals (better sleep, calmer moods, no more cramps!)
- How she titrated her custom mineral blend after her body said “uh, too fast!”
- Some sweet and slightly emotional memories about my journey as a shy child who is now an entrepreneur
If you’ve ever dealt with leg cramps, restless sleep, anxiety, or constant dehydration no matter how much water you drink this episode will help you connect the dots and see how simple mineral support can change everything.
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Dr. Heather Finley (00:03):
Welcome to the Love Your Gut Podcast.
I'm your host, Dr.
Heather Finley, registereddietitian and gut health
specialist.
I understand the frustration ofdealing with GI issues because
I've been there and I spent overtwo decades searching for
answers for my own gut issues ofconstipation, bloating, and
stomach pain.
I've dedicated my life tounderstanding and solving my own
(00:24):
gut issues.
And now I'm here to guide you.
On this podcast, I'll help youidentify the true root causes of
your discomfort.
So you can finally ditch yoursymptoms for good.
My goal is to empower you withthe knowledge and tools you need
so that you can love your gutand it will love you right back.
So if you're ready to learn alot, gain a deeper understanding
(00:46):
of your gut and find lastingrelief.
You are in the right place.
Welcome to the love your gutpodcast.
Hello, and welcome back to thenext episode of the Love Your
Gut podcast.
As you all know, we are in themiddle of our mineral series,
and I'm really excited abouttoday's guest.
Maybe a very unlikely suspectthat I drug with me to today's
(01:09):
episode, but we are interviewingpeople of all different ages and
with all different concerns,just showcasing how much
minerals can help so manydifferent things.
So surprised today, I'm excitedto have.
My mom, the one and only QueenAlice on the show, so mom,
welcome to the show.
Thank you, Heather.
Thanks for having me.
(01:30):
Okay, so this is your firstpodcast interview and we are
doing this in the middle of naptime.
I'm home in California visiting,so we thought we would record
it.
So if you hear babies crying inthe background, we'll have to
pick this back up later, but youare a great case study for
minerals because you were aunlikely suspect, I would say,
(01:52):
of someone who might think thatminerals might work for them,
but.
I think we should take it backto the moment where we were on
the stairs, maybe having amoment when I said, you need to
fix your minerals.
So I guess take us back to thatmoment.
If you wanna give us a, an ideaof what happened on the stairs
(02:14):
that day.
Well, I was having these reallybad leg cramps and I'd been
telling you about them and, youwere in town visiting and I had
walked up the stairs and mywhole leg, my calf, my top of my
foot just seized up and Istarted screaming, but try
trying not to scream super loud.
'cause the kids were asleep andyou came running up the stairs
(02:37):
and we were, I was crying andlaughing at the same time
because I felt like I waspossessed or something like it
was, I mean, it was so painfuland it went on for a long time.
It was like, what a 20 minute.
Leg cramp and foot cramp at thesame time.
Yeah, it was.
When I say one of the most wildexperiences of my life, I, I've
(02:58):
never witnessed an exorcism, butwe joke about it now.
I mean, her whole body wasconvulsing.
I did not know that.
People could have leg crampslike that or muscle cramps like
that.
So in that moment I rememberbeing like, we've got to do
something about this because youlive alone.
And I'm like, how are yousupposed to help yourself if
(03:20):
something like this happens toyou sometime and I'm not here to
run up the stairs, which I thinkit had happened, but maybe that
wasn't.
Maybe that was the worst that ithad been.
I don't know.
Yeah, it had happened one othertime after playing pickleball
and I was sitting outside at,you know, 8:00 PM at night or
maybe even later, nine probably.
And I got a leg cramp and Ithrew my shoe off and started
(03:42):
screaming in the backyard at9:00 PM and my neighbors came
running over'cause I thought Iwas being mauled by a bear or
something.
I was screaming so loud.
So you're a very healthyindividual.
You don't take any medications,you don't have any medical
diagnoses.
You're, you've always beenreally healthy.
I feel like as a kid you modeledhealth to us really well.
(04:04):
We always ate really healthy andour family was always super
active.
And so you might've beenthinking in that moment.
I'm already really healthy.
Why would I need minerals?
I already, I already take careof myself.
But I guess, what was yourreaction when I said We need to
do a mineral test on you andfigure out what's going on?
Were you skeptical?
Were you like, I'm willing totry anything?
(04:25):
I guess what was your mindset atthat moment?
Well, initially, I remember backto having other leg cramps and I
was trying to think of when theystarted and I believe that they
started when your brother was inhigh school, which was soon
after, my husband, your fatherpassed away.
And so I think stress wasobviously a big factor in that.
And I think what I've learnedfrom you had learned from you
(04:47):
before that is that can depleteyour minerals and all that.
And, but I remember sitting at afootball, one of his football
games, you know, several yearsprior where I had to.
It was a cold night.
I had to rip my boot off becauseI was, had such a bad leg cramp.
But it wasn't as bad as what youwitnessed, but I think so then
when you said, talking about,let's fix your minerals.
(05:08):
I mean, it kind of started tomake sense, but I was like
really hoping that somethingwould help because.
These were bad, and like yousaid, like it's really hard to
take care of this.
I mean, you sat there and, movedmy foot back and forth, back and
forth for 20 minutes and had Ibeen by myself, like it's almost
impossible to get it to go away.
So, I mean, I was willing to tryanything at that point because
(05:31):
you'd already tried a lot ofthings.
I mean.
Max being in high school, thatwas like at that point more than
10 years prior.
So this had been going on a longtime.
So I guess, walk us through whatyou had tried that maybe had
kind of helped or, or didn'thelp.
I know you'd done like topicalmagnesium and probably, I know
you.
Yoga and like some of the usualsuspects, but anything that you
(05:53):
had done that you think maybehelped or maybe things that made
it worse?
Yeah.
Well, where I live, it's veryhilly and so a lot of times the
leg grounds would come aboutwalking up and down these hills,
and it would be the ne thatnight, that evening, my leg
would just seize up.
And I think, realizing I wasprobably dehydrated, so starting
(06:13):
on drinking more water, but thenrealizing like water wasn't
cutting it, it was that waterwasn't staying with me, I would,
drink water and it would come,go right back out.
And so you started talking aboutelectrolyte powder and different
things like that.
Which, which, which would helpbut.
Yeah, I needed something better.
I needed something better thanelectrolyte powder.
'cause it was just wasn't, itwasn't working.
(06:34):
I guess we should also sharethat this leg cramp the exorcism
of whatever year that was, 2022,I think had happened after we
had walked a mile down the hillto have a margarita in town and
then pushed to.
Children up a stroller,literally.
And when I'm talking about itlike being a straight uphill,
(06:57):
there is literally no stop inthe uphill.
So maybe that didn't quite help,but obviously that wasn't a
one-off incident.
But maybe the, maybe themargarita made the, the cramp
probably the worst that it'sever been in that moment.
Probably, but maybe I justdidn't care as much.
That's true.
It took the edge off a littlebit.
(07:18):
Yeah, it was one of those likelaugh until you, or cry until
you laugh type of situations.
For sure.
Yeah.
Okay, so this was in the summerand my mom's birthday is in the
summer and I said.
For your birthday, I'm going togive you a mineral test and a
consult with my team, and thenwe're gonna formulate a custom
(07:38):
mineral powder for you.
So walk us through what thatexperience is like just as a
client, of working with my teambecause somebody might be
listening, going what is, whatare we even talking about?
Testing your minerals andaddressing your minerals.
I drink element, or I takeelectrolyte drinks, or, all the
things that you mentioned.
(07:58):
How was this experiencedifferent and, and what was,
what did the process look likefor you?
Well, it was great to talk to amember of your team actually.
So it left like you a little.
Hands off, you know, at thatmoment, a little bit too close
to it maybe.
And, but to be able to talk toher and find out like what led
to it.
So I think that was reallyimportant to find out, like all
(08:20):
the stress that I'd had in mylife over the past, 13 years,
just over and over and overnever getting better.
And that leads to your mineralsbeing depleted.
And then to find out whatminerals were so low and doing
the.
The HTMA test and and you'retrimming my hair.
I was like, you're gonna cut myhair.
Okay.
(08:41):
Interesting process.
And just to find out like wheremy minerals were, like all over
the map and you could tell whatwas depleted, what wasn't.
And that's something that youjust don't find out from, you
know, any other kind of testreally.
So, so were you okay with mecutting your hair?
'cause I think that's thebiggest challenge that people
have, especially because a lotof people, that wasn't your
(09:01):
concern, but a lot of peoplecome to us and they're like, I'm
not cutting my hair.
I'm already losing hair.
I don't wanna cut my hair.
So what were your thoughts aboutthat?
Oh, it's, it's not that muchhair.
I mean, and it's a, is a fewpieces from, different parts of
your scalp.
So, I mean, that it, I didn'teven notice it gone.
Yeah, you can't even notice.
So that was fine.
I didn't worry about.
(09:22):
Okay, so you met with our teamand they really walked you
through how much stress depletesyour minerals, which makes
sense.
The last 13 years havedefinitely not been, oh, a
cakewalk for you with dad dyingand, raising three kids and
obviously your job is stressful,you're a CPA, and so tax season
and all the, the stressors thatcome along with that and just,
(09:47):
it's, it's been a stressful 13years, like you said, and one of
the patterns that we saw in yourtest was that your potassium was
really depleted.
Your magnesium was actuallyreally high.
If I remember correctly, whichone might look at that?
And say, oh, well you're takingtoo much magnesium.
But what we actually know fromthat, based on your patterns,
(10:08):
was your body was actuallyburning through so much
magnesium and like to yourpoint, you were drinking a lot
of water and it was goingstraight through you.
That's one of the telltale signsof magnesium loss is if your
body doesn't have enoughmagnesium, you'll feel like
you're drinking a ton of waterand you're just.
Peeing it out and in addition tothat, your sodium was actually
really high, which is actuallynot something that we see a ton.
(10:30):
We typically see really depletedsodium.
But in the case for you, it madea lot of sense just with the
stress history and patterns.
Sometimes we'll see sodiumreally elevated when the body is
fighting stress.
So what was the most challengingrecommendation that our team
gave you when you met with them?
(10:50):
The most challenging wasactually the amount of water
that I was supposed to drinkwas, I don't even remember how
much it was, but it's a lot.
And I still do it now.
But actually once I started withthe minerals.
It, I didn't feel like the, Iwas going to the bathroom every
10 minutes.
Like it, like it stayed with me.
And then I just felt like Iwasn't bloated anymore.
Like, I just felt like, youwould think that you would be
(11:11):
drinking more water and you'dfeel really full and really
bloated, but, You don't.
But I just started feeling somuch better and sleeping through
the night.
I know you asked what the mostchallenging part was.
I guess for me though, was likeI just keeping track.
Yeah.
Just being a little moreintentional about that.
Yeah.
I know another recommendationthat we gave you, which kind of
wasn't really mineral related,was actually eating enough
(11:32):
protein.
Oh yes, that's right.
And you looked at me and youwere like.
No, like I'm, you like rolledyour eyes at me.
I am not eating more protein,but I guess when you started
doing that, did you notice anydifferences?
Definitely.
I started eating more protein inthe morning.
That was the biggest'cause I hadtrouble.
I, once I get up and getrolling, like I wanna get to
(11:54):
work and get the day done.
So I was not doing well withbreakfast, but once I started
like actually making like aprotein smoothie and having like
some hard boil egg or whatever,cottage cheese, trying, trying
to what do you call, layer itlayer things.
I realized, wow, if I can eat 30grams of protein, I feel so much
(12:15):
better and I'm full all the waytill lunch.
And I just, and I felt better.
Yeah, a lot better.
Okay, so you met with the team,and then what we did was we
custom formulated a Vicon blendfor you, and that is something
that a lot of our clients opt todo out of pure convenience and
honestly affordability as wellwhen we're looking at.
(12:37):
Repleting Minerals.
Obviously there's tons ofproducts out there and tons that
you had tried.
You had tried Element, whichactually wasn't the correct
product for you because yoursodium was really high.
You had tried PickleballCocktail or what's now called
Potassium Cocktail.
You had tried Ultima, which allof those are great products, but
they weren't exactly what yourbody needed, so we were able to
(12:57):
custom blend this powder for youwhere.
Then you had everything that youneeded and two scoops a day.
And initially you actually had alot of trouble tolerating the
powder.
So we're gonna give you thegood, the bad, the ugly on this.
It's not, we're not everythingis rainbows and butterflies, but
talk us through the process oftrying the powder, what you
experienced, and then whereyou're at now with, I guess now
(13:20):
you're actually on your secondpowder.
What happened in between?
Yeah.
And, and kind of in between.
Okay.
So I started on the powder andreally gung-ho about it, and I
had some tummy troubles.
It wasn't sitting with me.
And so the recommendation waslike, what's it called?
Titrate.
Titrate it.
Where I started with a quarterof the amount, like for five
days, and then it went up to ahalf.
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Once I did that and I kind ofgot in a pattern, I mean within
I would say two weeks, I neverhad another leg cramp.
It was remarkable.
I was still playing the sameamount of pickleball, if not
probably more still walking upand down the hills.
And I was not having them atall.
They were, they, they completelywent away.
(14:02):
And so that was amazing.
So I was getting through thatfirst big, huge thing of of my
blend.
It comes in a big.
Jar and I was about through itwhen January hit this year and
in California and the Californiafires.
And I had to leave my home,which was completely filled with
smoke, another stressful event.
(14:24):
And anyways, once I could moveback in, about three months
later, I had to throw that away.
I mean, it was opened, I had tothrow it away and.
I mean, obviously I talked toyou about it, but what what it
came down to is I started havingleg cramps again.
I mean, I had gone to Texas fora little bit, but once I came
back and started walking thosehills and, playing pickleball
(14:47):
and all that, I started gettingleg cramps again.
And so that's when you cut myhair again and we, we did a new
blend and here we are a coupleweeks into it and I have not had
another leg cramp so.
Going back to the beginning whenyou said I started having some
tummy troubles.
So this is something thathappens to a lot of our clients
who are really Type Aoverachievers.
(15:08):
We're just gonna push through itwhere they're like, I'm fine.
I'm not gonna follow thetitration schedule.
I'm just gonna go straight tothe full dose.
Do it.
Don't do it.
People don't do it.
This mineral blend is.
So potent and so powerful.
It takes time for your body toadjust, and minerals are gonna
shift with each other.
And so I did that too.
(15:29):
I think maybe that's why we'rerelated.
Obviously we just don't followdirections very well.
But when you titrate it, yourbody can adapt to it.
And some people are obviouslyslower than others, but we have
a lot of clients that do that.
They're like, oh, I just kind ofskipped over the directions, and
then we gotta go back andtitrate.
Okay, so muscle cramps was themain reason, obviously why we
(15:51):
recommended that you do an HTMA.
Have you seen any other benefitsor other changes by supporting
your minerals, especially, youknow, yeah, with the fires
earlier this year and having toevacuate and completely redo
your house.
It's not like this year hasreally not been that stressful
either.
So the theme of your life.
(16:11):
So any other benefits thatyou've noticed or even, oh, if I
go X amount of days withoutsupporting minerals, whether
it's through a custom blend orjust taking electrolyte powder,
do you notice shifts in likeyour energy or your sleep or, I
know you're post-menopausalobviously, but hormones or
anything like that?
I actually do notice I have kindof a stressful job and so I
(16:33):
noticed that when I was not onthe minerals, I found myself
getting very anxious a lot, likevery often maybe short with
people that I had no businessbeing short with.
But also just feeling, tired inthe afternoon.
And also, I wasn't sleepingwell, so, and I thought I wasn't
sleeping well because of thefires, because of the stress,
(16:54):
and, and all that.
But I truly, it was theminerals.
It's like my, I, my mineralsweren't supported.
And so I was, I was again,waking up at two, waking up at
four back on the minerals.
I'm sleeping through the nightagain.
I don't see myself feelinganxious.
Um, I mean, it's, it's beenamazing.
Like I feel like a differentperson.
That's pretty crazy.
Yeah.
(17:15):
I mean, it makes sense, butsometimes I feel silly when I
tell people about mineralsbecause it seems almost too
simple, right?
Like, you do this test, you cuta piece of your hair, you send
it to the lab, we analyze theresults for you, we create a
custom plan for you, whetherthat's a custom mineral blend or
standalone recommendations oreven, I know we provided you
(17:36):
with a lot of recommendations ofmineral rich food.
Add coconut water to yoursmoothie, add more avocados, add
more this mineral rich foods.
So it almost seems too good tobe true.
I guess what are, what are yourthoughts or how would you
explain this to somebody whomaybe is like a little
skeptical?
Yeah, there's no way that itworks that good.
I mean, I would just encouragethem to try it, honestly.
(17:59):
I mean, I can only, I can have'em listen to this podcast.
I.
I, I don't think I would'vebelieved it until I tried it.
Because it is, like you said,it's a little bit too good to be
true.
It's like, you know, I was, Ilove Heather, your mineral
cocktails and you know, I lookforward to coming home from work
and having one of those, but alittle coconut water and, you
know, some bubbly water and alittle electro like powder that
wasn't doing the trick.
(18:19):
That wasn't enough minerals andthat wasn't the minerals I
needed.
Do I love still having those?
Yes.
But it was all those otherminerals that I was missing that
I needed and.
So that's what me think that hasmade all the difference is
having the right blend.
Yeah.
So, yeah, I agree.
It's like I'm a huge fan ofmineral mocktails and something
that I love concocting andmaking, but, sometimes we often
(18:44):
describe it to our clients,like, if you're digging a pool
in your backyard, there's a hugeditch, right?
And you have to go in and youhave to basically fill the pool
back up with water.
And then once you're there, youcan kind of maintain it.
But who knows how long you'vebeen depleted.
Obviously the last 10 years havebeen really stressful, but
before that it wasn't like itwas easy either.
You had three kids and you know,you had, you birthed three
(19:07):
babies, which is very depleting.
So this could have been buildingfor years and years and years
before kind of the straw brokethe camel's back, for lack of a
better analogy.
Sure.
I mean a hundred percent and Imean, I know because I can look
back on like leg cramps andthings that I've had for like.
A long time.
And also, probably starting withperimenopause, the not sleeping
(19:29):
through the night thing.
So I'm a true believer that,once your minerals are
supported, like it just helpsyour whole, I mean, your whole
body, like, and everything aboutyou in life.
I mean, you're.
Sleeping better.
So when you sleep better, youproduce better during the day,
you're a happier person.
And the worst thing for me islike that anxious feeling.
And to not have that, is truly,a gift, truly amazing.
(19:51):
Like to just feel like, feelnormal.
I love that.
Is there anything else you wannashare before I'll give you an
opportunity to maybe throw meunder the bus or tell people
something about me that maybethey wouldn't know from
following me on Instagram orlistening to this podcast.
But before we do that, anythinglike last thoughts you wanna
share?
Oh, last shot's about you.
(20:11):
Wow.
This is, no, not about, about,about minerals.
About minerals.
I mean, highly recommend.
I mean, I have several friendsthat have, that are doing them,
and definitely titrate.
Don't, don't go full.
Don't go full in.
Take it slow.
Okay, so now's the opportunity.
So I mean, a lot of people findthis podcast because they follow
me on Instagram, which isprobably funny in itself to you
(20:34):
that I'm doing that.
Probably surprising also thatI'm running a business.
So yeah, just as my mom, I.
What would you like to share?
Anything.
And you can throw me under thebus as much or as little as you
want.
I don't think I wanna throw youon the bus, but just I think one
of the most interesting thingsfor me is that here you are,
this entrepreneur on Instagram,and I just remember back to
(20:56):
fourth grade, Heather, that was,getting ready for a poem party
and she had to stand up in frontof her classroom, you know,
what, 22 people in the classroomand having a complete meltdown
outside the classroom becauseshe could not get up in front of
people and talk.
And I remember then after youhad your first baby after
(21:16):
Charlotte was born and Heatherwent and spoke, it's the first
time I saw her speak at anevent.
And I'm holding littleCharlotte, like two weeks old or
something, three weeks old.
She was little.
And Heather got up there andspoke and I thought, oh my gosh,
this is that same girl thatcould not read a poem, not even
a poem she wrote, but a, a poemin front of her fourth grade
(21:37):
class.
I'm like, look at her now.
I thought that was amazing.
And just how far you've come to,Heather's always young for her
grade and you know, we sent17-year-old Heather off to
college, 1200 miles away fromCalifornia.
And, as a D one swimmer too,and, for her, us to leave Texas
and leave her there.
(21:57):
And her words to us were, pleasedon't leave me like we were
abandoning her.
And to see like how far she'scome and how far she's, you
know, how much she's grown and,you know, just, you know,
embracing swimming.
And then, moving on to a.
Awesome coordinated program andnutrition and actually being
sorority president all at thesame time and just doing all the
(22:19):
things.
I mean, I knew she was gonna goplaces had no idea that this,
and it just keeps continuing.
I'm super proud of you and it'sjust been, such a joy to watch.
Oh, thanks.
I didn't think you'd make mecry, but seriously, one of the
more traumatizing moments of mylife was definitely that poem
party I remember.
(22:41):
That so distinctly, for whateverreason, I don't have a ton of
childhood memories, which issomething that we always joke
about.
Maybe I needed minerals as achild.
I don't know.
Obviously I did with my GIissues, which you know, the more
you know now, obviously none ofthe doctors that we went to were
talking about this.
But yeah, I remember that so, sodistinctly, and I'm pretty sure
(23:02):
what happened was I had to goback the next day and do it.
Yes.
And I mean, I think, yeah, thatwas one of the more traumatizing
48 hours of my life for sure.
The poem party.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Making you public speak.
Yeah.
Maybe that's why I don't reallylove reading that much.
I don't know.
(23:23):
I never thought about that.
I, I like listening to books,but I'm not like a big, like sit
down and read a book type ofperson.
I'll listen to it.
I like listening to podcasts,but man, yeah.
And I distinctly remember, I'llthrow myself under the bus,
being at TCU where I went tocollege, we went to Target too.
And buy some stuff for the dormroom.
(23:44):
And what did I say to you in theaisle of Target melt?
Just down.
Look, we were trying to buy hera rug.
Yeah, we were trying to buy arug for my dorm room and I had a
complete full blown meltdown inthe middle of Target that.
Yeah.
Or you just wanted to leave inthere that you guys didn't care
about me anymore and you justwanted to leave me in Texas and
(24:05):
my, my dad is looking at melike, what planet are you from?
You are the one that chose to gohere.
We're trying to support you.
I obviously didn't know how todeal with my emotions at that
point in time.
Clearly I needed minerals thenas well.
Oh my gosh.
Yeah.
But hey, we made it.
Yeah.
Yeah, we made it and we're doingit.
Doing it.
(24:26):
Yeah.
I mean, I think it's amazing.
Um, you know, one of the thingstoo for you was not only, being
a dietician, but then anentrepreneur.
Really hard to do when you'renot a business, have no business
background.
You, it's not you were abusiness mine or anything.
And that was incredible for youto just say, you know what?
I'm gonna hire people to do thispart of my business.
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I mean, you know, that wassmart.
That's how you make more orthat's how you become successful
is do the things you're good atand leave it the other things to
somebody else that they're goodat.
But you can't do everything.
And so you learn that likereally early on, which really.
Helped you just launch yourself,uh, you know, further and
further.
Um, so I was super proud of youfor that.
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And it's just kind of funny'cause I am a business person
and so I don't understand what,she didn't know how to balance
her checkbook.
Like, wait, what?
I know somehow I missed allthose lessons.
I don't know.
I got to college and I'm like,how do you write a check?
I don't know.
It was a lot of figuring it outfor sure.
But yes, I remember calling youwhen my QuickBooks was double
importing and I said, I.
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Can't do this, I'm gonna throwmy computer at the wall.
And that's when I ended uphiring a CPA to balance my books
for the first time when I had,this is like way back when,
pre-kids all the things when Ihad a brick and mortar practice.
And then, yeah, when I decidedto start like the, this side of
the business, I was like, Idefinitely need someone to teach
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me how to do this, because wehad.
One business class in college,and it was like a marketing
class.
I had to go buy that suit,remember?
Mm-hmm.
And we had to do a presentationand that was it.
It's a lot of winging it andfiguring it out and making a lot
of mistakes along the way, but.
It's great.
Yeah.
Well, this has been fun and I'msure there might be some follow
up questions.
So if you have any follow upquestions, feel free to DM me on
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Instagram or send us an emailand I'm happy to expand even
more.
But actually, one thing thatjust came to mind on a, a
podcast I did, which.
At the time we're recordingthis, it was last week's
podcast, but this will be acouple weeks out.
But I actually talked about thison a podcast about becoming an
entrepreneur and how I think, Idon't think I believed it for
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myself all along, but how I hadlike these female leaders that I
was always very interested inthroughout my life.
Like Katie Couric, remember westalked her outside of her,
outside of her door when I waslike, what, like 10 years old or
something?
Eighth grade.
Eighth grade.
And then I always told you, or Itold you this last summer when
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we were watching the parent trapwith Charlotte, and I said, I
always really admired her havinglike the wedding dress business.
And you were like, that's whatyou took from the movie.
And I was like, yeah.
She just always seemed to lovewhat she did and she was
successful, but she was also agood mom.
And so I think sometimes maybeyou have these little glimmers
in your life of like maybe whereyou're headed, but you don't
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quite believe it yet, or, youlatch onto things that maybe you
don't realize will have aneffect on you later, right?
And then you, your whole lifesaid you wanted to be a teacher.
I mean, that was it.
You wanted to be a teacher andyou kept saying you wanted to be
a teacher.
And then one time you came homefrom club swimming and said, we
had a dietician come today.
Like that would be a fun hobby.
And I remember saying to you.
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Your passion can be your career.
And so you turn that like, okay.
And then actually what you donow is you do teach.
Mm-hmm.
You know, it doesn't, teacherdoesn't necessarily have to be
inside a classroom.
And so I think that you alwaysknew that you wanted to teach
people.
It's just, and looks differentthan what you had initially
thought.
So.
Totally.
Yeah.
Teaching, teaching people abouttheir bodies and teaching people
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about nutrition and health andteaching other practitioners as
well, which I love.
So.
Well, thank you so much forjoining.
This has been really fun.
Probably my favorite guest I'veever had.
Of course.
So thanks for joining us.
You're welcome.
Thank you so much for having me.
This has been super fun.
I hope you love today'sconversation with my mom.
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Thanks again for listening, andI'm so excited for next week to
continue the series on minerals.
So make sure to tune in.
Welcome to the Love Your Gut Podcast.
I'm your host, Dr.
Heather Finley, registereddietitian and gut health
specialist.
I understand the frustration ofdealing with GI issues because
I've been there and I spent overtwo decades searching for
answers for my own gut issues ofconstipation, bloating, and
stomach pain.
I've dedicated my life tounderstanding and solving my own
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And now I'm here to guide you.
On this podcast, I'll help youidentify the true root causes of
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So you can finally ditch yoursymptoms for good.
My goal is to empower you withthe knowledge and tools you need
so that you can love your gutand it will love you right back.
So if you're ready to learn alot, gain a deeper understanding
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You are in the right place.
Welcome to the love your gutpodcast.
Hello, and welcome back to thenext episode of the Love Your
Gut podcast.
As you all know, we are in themiddle of our mineral series,
and I'm really excited abouttoday's guest.
Maybe a very unlikely suspectthat I drug with me to today's
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episode, but we are interviewingpeople of all different ages and
with all different concerns,just showcasing how much
minerals can help so manydifferent things.
So surprised today, I'm excitedto have.
My mom, the one and only QueenAlice on the show, so mom,
welcome to the show.
Thank you, Heather.
Thanks for having me.
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Okay, so this is your firstpodcast interview and we are
doing this in the middle of naptime.
I'm home in California visiting,so we thought we would record
it.
So if you hear babies crying inthe background, we'll have to
pick this back up later, but youare a great case study for
minerals because you were aunlikely suspect, I would say,
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of someone who might think thatminerals might work for them,
but.
I think we should take it backto the moment where we were on
the stairs, maybe having amoment when I said, you need to
fix your minerals.
So I guess take us back to thatmoment.
If you wanna give us a, an ideaof what happened on the stairs
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that day.
Well, I was having these reallybad leg cramps and I'd been
telling you about them and, youwere in town visiting and I had
walked up the stairs and mywhole leg, my calf, my top of my
foot just seized up and Istarted screaming, but try
trying not to scream super loud.
'cause the kids were asleep andyou came running up the stairs
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and we were, I was crying andlaughing at the same time
because I felt like I waspossessed or something like it
was, I mean, it was so painfuland it went on for a long time.
It was like, what a 20 minute.
Leg cramp and foot cramp at thesame time.
Yeah, it was.
When I say one of the most wildexperiences of my life, I, I've
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never witnessed an exorcism, butwe joke about it now.
I mean, her whole body wasconvulsing.
I did not know that.
People could have leg crampslike that or muscle cramps like
that.
So in that moment I rememberbeing like, we've got to do
something about this because youlive alone.
And I'm like, how are yousupposed to help yourself if
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something like this happens toyou sometime and I'm not here to
run up the stairs, which I thinkit had happened, but maybe that
wasn't.
Maybe that was the worst that ithad been.
I don't know.
Yeah, it had happened one othertime after playing pickleball
and I was sitting outside at,you know, 8:00 PM at night or
maybe even later, nine probably.
And I got a leg cramp and Ithrew my shoe off and started
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screaming in the backyard at9:00 PM and my neighbors came
running over'cause I thought Iwas being mauled by a bear or
something.
I was screaming so loud.
So you're a very healthyindividual.
You don't take any medications,you don't have any medical
diagnoses.
You're, you've always beenreally healthy.
I feel like as a kid you modeledhealth to us really well.
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We always ate really healthy andour family was always super
active.
And so you might've beenthinking in that moment.
I'm already really healthy.
Why would I need minerals?
I already, I already take careof myself.
But I guess, what was yourreaction when I said We need to
do a mineral test on you andfigure out what's going on?
Were you skeptical?
Were you like, I'm willing totry anything?
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I guess what was your mindset atthat moment?
Well, initially, I remember backto having other leg cramps and I
was trying to think of when theystarted and I believe that they
started when your brother was inhigh school, which was soon
after, my husband, your fatherpassed away.
And so I think stress wasobviously a big factor in that.
And I think what I've learnedfrom you had learned from you
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before that is that can depleteyour minerals and all that.
And, but I remember sitting at afootball, one of his football
games, you know, several yearsprior where I had to.
It was a cold night.
I had to rip my boot off becauseI was, had such a bad leg cramp.
But it wasn't as bad as what youwitnessed, but I think so then
when you said, talking about,let's fix your minerals.
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I mean, it kind of started tomake sense, but I was like
really hoping that somethingwould help because.
These were bad, and like yousaid, like it's really hard to
take care of this.
I mean, you sat there and, movedmy foot back and forth, back and
forth for 20 minutes and had Ibeen by myself, like it's almost
impossible to get it to go away.
So, I mean, I was willing to tryanything at that point because
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you'd already tried a lot ofthings.
I mean.
Max being in high school, thatwas like at that point more than
10 years prior.
So this had been going on a longtime.
So I guess, walk us through whatyou had tried that maybe had
kind of helped or, or didn'thelp.
I know you'd done like topicalmagnesium and probably, I know
you.
Yoga and like some of the usualsuspects, but anything that you
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had done that you think maybehelped or maybe things that made
it worse?
Yeah.
Well, where I live, it's veryhilly and so a lot of times the
leg grounds would come aboutwalking up and down these hills,
and it would be the ne thatnight, that evening, my leg
would just seize up.
And I think, realizing I wasprobably dehydrated, so starting
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on drinking more water, but thenrealizing like water wasn't
cutting it, it was that waterwasn't staying with me, I would,
drink water and it would come,go right back out.
And so you started talking aboutelectrolyte powder and different
things like that.
Which, which, which would helpbut.
Yeah, I needed something better.
I needed something better thanelectrolyte powder.
'cause it was just wasn't, itwasn't working.
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I guess we should also sharethat this leg cramp the exorcism
of whatever year that was, 2022,I think had happened after we
had walked a mile down the hillto have a margarita in town and
then pushed to.
Children up a stroller,literally.
And when I'm talking about itlike being a straight uphill,
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there is literally no stop inthe uphill.
So maybe that didn't quite help,but obviously that wasn't a
one-off incident.
But maybe the, maybe themargarita made the, the cramp
probably the worst that it'sever been in that moment.
Probably, but maybe I justdidn't care as much.
That's true.
It took the edge off a littlebit.
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Yeah, it was one of those likelaugh until you, or cry until
you laugh type of situations.
For sure.
Yeah.
Okay, so this was in the summerand my mom's birthday is in the
summer and I said.
For your birthday, I'm going togive you a mineral test and a
consult with my team, and thenwe're gonna formulate a custom
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mineral powder for you.
So walk us through what thatexperience is like just as a
client, of working with my teambecause somebody might be
listening, going what is, whatare we even talking about?
Testing your minerals andaddressing your minerals.
I drink element, or I takeelectrolyte drinks, or, all the
things that you mentioned.
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How was this experiencedifferent and, and what was,
what did the process look likefor you?
Well, it was great to talk to amember of your team actually.
So it left like you a little.
Hands off, you know, at thatmoment, a little bit too close
to it maybe.
And, but to be able to talk toher and find out like what led
to it.
So I think that was reallyimportant to find out, like all
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the stress that I'd had in mylife over the past, 13 years,
just over and over and overnever getting better.
And that leads to your mineralsbeing depleted.
And then to find out whatminerals were so low and doing
the.
The HTMA test and and you'retrimming my hair.
I was like, you're gonna cut myhair.
Okay.
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Interesting process.
And just to find out like wheremy minerals were, like all over
the map and you could tell whatwas depleted, what wasn't.
And that's something that youjust don't find out from, you
know, any other kind of testreally.
So, so were you okay with mecutting your hair?
'cause I think that's thebiggest challenge that people
have, especially because a lotof people, that wasn't your
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concern, but a lot of peoplecome to us and they're like, I'm
not cutting my hair.
I'm already losing hair.
I don't wanna cut my hair.
So what were your thoughts aboutthat?
Oh, it's, it's not that muchhair.
I mean, and it's a, is a fewpieces from, different parts of
your scalp.
So, I mean, that it, I didn'teven notice it gone.
Yeah, you can't even notice.
So that was fine.
I didn't worry about.
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Okay, so you met with our teamand they really walked you
through how much stress depletesyour minerals, which makes
sense.
The last 13 years havedefinitely not been, oh, a
cakewalk for you with dad dyingand, raising three kids and
obviously your job is stressful,you're a CPA, and so tax season
and all the, the stressors thatcome along with that and just,
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it's, it's been a stressful 13years, like you said, and one of
the patterns that we saw in yourtest was that your potassium was
really depleted.
Your magnesium was actuallyreally high.
If I remember correctly, whichone might look at that?
And say, oh, well you're takingtoo much magnesium.
But what we actually know fromthat, based on your patterns,
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was your body was actuallyburning through so much
magnesium and like to yourpoint, you were drinking a lot
of water and it was goingstraight through you.
That's one of the telltale signsof magnesium loss is if your
body doesn't have enoughmagnesium, you'll feel like
you're drinking a ton of waterand you're just.
Peeing it out and in addition tothat, your sodium was actually
really high, which is actuallynot something that we see a ton.
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We typically see really depletedsodium.
But in the case for you, it madea lot of sense just with the
stress history and patterns.
Sometimes we'll see sodiumreally elevated when the body is
fighting stress.
So what was the most challengingrecommendation that our team
gave you when you met with them?
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The most challenging wasactually the amount of water
that I was supposed to drinkwas, I don't even remember how
much it was, but it's a lot.
And I still do it now.
But actually once I started withthe minerals.
It, I didn't feel like the, Iwas going to the bathroom every
10 minutes.
Like it, like it stayed with me.
And then I just felt like Iwasn't bloated anymore.
Like, I just felt like, youwould think that you would be
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drinking more water and you'dfeel really full and really
bloated, but, You don't.
But I just started feeling somuch better and sleeping through
the night.
I know you asked what the mostchallenging part was.
I guess for me though, was likeI just keeping track.
Yeah.
Just being a little moreintentional about that.
Yeah.
I know another recommendationthat we gave you, which kind of
wasn't really mineral related,was actually eating enough
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protein.
Oh yes, that's right.
And you looked at me and youwere like.
No, like I'm, you like rolledyour eyes at me.
I am not eating more protein,but I guess when you started
doing that, did you notice anydifferences?
Definitely.
I started eating more protein inthe morning.
That was the biggest'cause I hadtrouble.
I, once I get up and getrolling, like I wanna get to
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work and get the day done.
So I was not doing well withbreakfast, but once I started
like actually making like aprotein smoothie and having like
some hard boil egg or whatever,cottage cheese, trying, trying
to what do you call, layer itlayer things.
I realized, wow, if I can eat 30grams of protein, I feel so much
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better and I'm full all the waytill lunch.
And I just, and I felt better.
Yeah, a lot better.
Okay, so you met with the team,and then what we did was we
custom formulated a Vicon blendfor you, and that is something
that a lot of our clients opt todo out of pure convenience and
honestly affordability as wellwhen we're looking at.
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Repleting Minerals.
Obviously there's tons ofproducts out there and tons that
you had tried.
You had tried Element, whichactually wasn't the correct
product for you because yoursodium was really high.
You had tried PickleballCocktail or what's now called
Potassium Cocktail.
You had tried Ultima, which allof those are great products, but
they weren't exactly what yourbody needed, so we were able to
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custom blend this powder for youwhere.
Then you had everything that youneeded and two scoops a day.
And initially you actually had alot of trouble tolerating the
powder.
So we're gonna give you thegood, the bad, the ugly on this.
It's not, we're not everythingis rainbows and butterflies, but
talk us through the process oftrying the powder, what you
experienced, and then whereyou're at now with, I guess now
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you're actually on your secondpowder.
What happened in between?
Yeah.
And, and kind of in between.
Okay.
So I started on the powder andreally gung-ho about it, and I
had some tummy troubles.
It wasn't sitting with me.
And so the recommendation waslike, what's it called?
Titrate.
Titrate it.
Where I started with a quarterof the amount, like for five
days, and then it went up to ahalf.
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Once I did that and I kind ofgot in a pattern, I mean within
I would say two weeks, I neverhad another leg cramp.
It was remarkable.
I was still playing the sameamount of pickleball, if not
probably more still walking upand down the hills.
And I was not having them atall.
They were, they, they completelywent away.
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And so that was amazing.
So I was getting through thatfirst big, huge thing of of my
blend.
It comes in a big.
Jar and I was about through itwhen January hit this year and
in California and the Californiafires.
And I had to leave my home,which was completely filled with
smoke, another stressful event.
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And anyways, once I could moveback in, about three months
later, I had to throw that away.
I mean, it was opened, I had tothrow it away and.
I mean, obviously I talked toyou about it, but what what it
came down to is I started havingleg cramps again.
I mean, I had gone to Texas fora little bit, but once I came
back and started walking thosehills and, playing pickleball
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and all that, I started gettingleg cramps again.
And so that's when you cut myhair again and we, we did a new
blend and here we are a coupleweeks into it and I have not had
another leg cramp so.
Going back to the beginning whenyou said I started having some
tummy troubles.
So this is something thathappens to a lot of our clients
who are really Type Aoverachievers.
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We're just gonna push through itwhere they're like, I'm fine.
I'm not gonna follow thetitration schedule.
I'm just gonna go straight tothe full dose.
Do it.
Don't do it.
People don't do it.
This mineral blend is.
So potent and so powerful.
It takes time for your body toadjust, and minerals are gonna
shift with each other.
And so I did that too.
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I think maybe that's why we'rerelated.
Obviously we just don't followdirections very well.
But when you titrate it, yourbody can adapt to it.
And some people are obviouslyslower than others, but we have
a lot of clients that do that.
They're like, oh, I just kind ofskipped over the directions, and
then we gotta go back andtitrate.
Okay, so muscle cramps was themain reason, obviously why we
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recommended that you do an HTMA.
Have you seen any other benefitsor other changes by supporting
your minerals, especially, youknow, yeah, with the fires
earlier this year and having toevacuate and completely redo
your house.
It's not like this year hasreally not been that stressful
either.
So the theme of your life.
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So any other benefits thatyou've noticed or even, oh, if I
go X amount of days withoutsupporting minerals, whether
it's through a custom blend orjust taking electrolyte powder,
do you notice shifts in likeyour energy or your sleep or, I
know you're post-menopausalobviously, but hormones or
anything like that?
I actually do notice I have kindof a stressful job and so I
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noticed that when I was not onthe minerals, I found myself
getting very anxious a lot, likevery often maybe short with
people that I had no businessbeing short with.
But also just feeling, tired inthe afternoon.
And also, I wasn't sleepingwell, so, and I thought I wasn't
sleeping well because of thefires, because of the stress,
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and, and all that.
But I truly, it was theminerals.
It's like my, I, my mineralsweren't supported.
And so I was, I was again,waking up at two, waking up at
four back on the minerals.
I'm sleeping through the nightagain.
I don't see myself feelinganxious.
Um, I mean, it's, it's beenamazing.
Like I feel like a differentperson.
That's pretty crazy.
Yeah.
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I mean, it makes sense, butsometimes I feel silly when I
tell people about mineralsbecause it seems almost too
simple, right?
Like, you do this test, you cuta piece of your hair, you send
it to the lab, we analyze theresults for you, we create a
custom plan for you, whetherthat's a custom mineral blend or
standalone recommendations oreven, I know we provided you
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with a lot of recommendations ofmineral rich food.
Add coconut water to yoursmoothie, add more avocados, add
more this mineral rich foods.
So it almost seems too good tobe true.
I guess what are, what are yourthoughts or how would you
explain this to somebody whomaybe is like a little
skeptical?
Yeah, there's no way that itworks that good.
I mean, I would just encouragethem to try it, honestly.
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I mean, I can only, I can have'em listen to this podcast.
I.
I, I don't think I would'vebelieved it until I tried it.
Because it is, like you said,it's a little bit too good to be
true.
It's like, you know, I was, Ilove Heather, your mineral
cocktails and you know, I lookforward to coming home from work
and having one of those, but alittle coconut water and, you
know, some bubbly water and alittle electro like powder that
wasn't doing the trick.
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That wasn't enough minerals andthat wasn't the minerals I
needed.
Do I love still having those?
Yes.
But it was all those otherminerals that I was missing that
I needed and.
So that's what me think that hasmade all the difference is
having the right blend.
Yeah.
So, yeah, I agree.
It's like I'm a huge fan ofmineral mocktails and something
that I love concocting andmaking, but, sometimes we often
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describe it to our clients,like, if you're digging a pool
in your backyard, there's a hugeditch, right?
And you have to go in and youhave to basically fill the pool
back up with water.
And then once you're there, youcan kind of maintain it.
But who knows how long you'vebeen depleted.
Obviously the last 10 years havebeen really stressful, but
before that it wasn't like itwas easy either.
You had three kids and you know,you had, you birthed three
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babies, which is very depleting.
So this could have been buildingfor years and years and years
before kind of the straw brokethe camel's back, for lack of a
better analogy.
Sure.
I mean a hundred percent and Imean, I know because I can look
back on like leg cramps andthings that I've had for like.
A long time.
And also, probably starting withperimenopause, the not sleeping
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through the night thing.
So I'm a true believer that,once your minerals are
supported, like it just helpsyour whole, I mean, your whole
body, like, and everything aboutyou in life.
I mean, you're.
Sleeping better.
So when you sleep better, youproduce better during the day,
you're a happier person.
And the worst thing for me islike that anxious feeling.
And to not have that, is truly,a gift, truly amazing.
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Like to just feel like, feelnormal.
I love that.
Is there anything else you wannashare before I'll give you an
opportunity to maybe throw meunder the bus or tell people
something about me that maybethey wouldn't know from
following me on Instagram orlistening to this podcast.
But before we do that, anythinglike last thoughts you wanna
share?
Oh, last shot's about you.
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Wow.
This is, no, not about, about,about minerals.
About minerals.
I mean, highly recommend.
I mean, I have several friendsthat have, that are doing them,
and definitely titrate.
Don't, don't go full.
Don't go full in.
Take it slow.
Okay, so now's the opportunity.
So I mean, a lot of people findthis podcast because they follow
me on Instagram, which isprobably funny in itself to you
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that I'm doing that.
Probably surprising also thatI'm running a business.
So yeah, just as my mom, I.
What would you like to share?
Anything.
And you can throw me under thebus as much or as little as you
want.
I don't think I wanna throw youon the bus, but just I think one
of the most interesting thingsfor me is that here you are,
this entrepreneur on Instagram,and I just remember back to
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fourth grade, Heather, that was,getting ready for a poem party
and she had to stand up in frontof her classroom, you know,
what, 22 people in the classroomand having a complete meltdown
outside the classroom becauseshe could not get up in front of
people and talk.
And I remember then after youhad your first baby after
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Charlotte was born and Heatherwent and spoke, it's the first
time I saw her speak at anevent.
And I'm holding littleCharlotte, like two weeks old or
something, three weeks old.
She was little.
And Heather got up there andspoke and I thought, oh my gosh,
this is that same girl thatcould not read a poem, not even
a poem she wrote, but a, a poemin front of her fourth grade
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class.
I'm like, look at her now.
I thought that was amazing.
And just how far you've come to,Heather's always young for her
grade and you know, we sent17-year-old Heather off to
college, 1200 miles away fromCalifornia.
And, as a D one swimmer too,and, for her, us to leave Texas
and leave her there.
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And her words to us were, pleasedon't leave me like we were
abandoning her.
And to see like how far she'scome and how far she's, you
know, how much she's grown and,you know, just, you know,
embracing swimming.
And then, moving on to a.
Awesome coordinated program andnutrition and actually being
sorority president all at thesame time and just doing all the
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things.
I mean, I knew she was gonna goplaces had no idea that this,
and it just keeps continuing.
I'm super proud of you and it'sjust been, such a joy to watch.
Oh, thanks.
I didn't think you'd make mecry, but seriously, one of the
more traumatizing moments of mylife was definitely that poem
party I remember.
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That so distinctly, for whateverreason, I don't have a ton of
childhood memories, which issomething that we always joke
about.
Maybe I needed minerals as achild.
I don't know.
Obviously I did with my GIissues, which you know, the more
you know now, obviously none ofthe doctors that we went to were
talking about this.
But yeah, I remember that so, sodistinctly, and I'm pretty sure
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what happened was I had to goback the next day and do it.
Yes.
And I mean, I think, yeah, thatwas one of the more traumatizing
48 hours of my life for sure.
The poem party.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Making you public speak.
Yeah.
Maybe that's why I don't reallylove reading that much.
I don't know.
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I never thought about that.
I, I like listening to books,but I'm not like a big, like sit
down and read a book type ofperson.
I'll listen to it.
I like listening to podcasts,but man, yeah.
And I distinctly remember, I'llthrow myself under the bus,
being at TCU where I went tocollege, we went to Target too.
And buy some stuff for the dormroom.
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And what did I say to you in theaisle of Target melt?
Just down.
Look, we were trying to buy hera rug.
Yeah, we were trying to buy arug for my dorm room and I had a
complete full blown meltdown inthe middle of Target that.
Yeah.
Or you just wanted to leave inthere that you guys didn't care
about me anymore and you justwanted to leave me in Texas and
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my, my dad is looking at melike, what planet are you from?
You are the one that chose to gohere.
We're trying to support you.
I obviously didn't know how todeal with my emotions at that
point in time.
Clearly I needed minerals thenas well.
Oh my gosh.
Yeah.
But hey, we made it.
Yeah.
Yeah, we made it and we're doingit.
Doing it.
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Yeah.
I mean, I think it's amazing.
Um, you know, one of the thingstoo for you was not only, being
a dietician, but then anentrepreneur.
Really hard to do when you'renot a business, have no business
background.
You, it's not you were abusiness mine or anything.
And that was incredible for youto just say, you know what?
I'm gonna hire people to do thispart of my business.
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I mean, you know, that wassmart.
That's how you make more orthat's how you become successful
is do the things you're good atand leave it the other things to
somebody else that they're goodat.
But you can't do everything.
And so you learn that likereally early on, which really.
Helped you just launch yourself,uh, you know, further and
further.
Um, so I was super proud of youfor that.
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And it's just kind of funny'cause I am a business person
and so I don't understand what,she didn't know how to balance
her checkbook.
Like, wait, what?
I know somehow I missed allthose lessons.
I don't know.
I got to college and I'm like,how do you write a check?
I don't know.
It was a lot of figuring it outfor sure.
But yes, I remember calling youwhen my QuickBooks was double
importing and I said, I.
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Can't do this, I'm gonna throwmy computer at the wall.
And that's when I ended uphiring a CPA to balance my books
for the first time when I had,this is like way back when,
pre-kids all the things when Ihad a brick and mortar practice.
And then, yeah, when I decidedto start like the, this side of
the business, I was like, Idefinitely need someone to teach
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me how to do this, because wehad.
One business class in college,and it was like a marketing
class.
I had to go buy that suit,remember?
Mm-hmm.
And we had to do a presentationand that was it.
It's a lot of winging it andfiguring it out and making a lot
of mistakes along the way, but.
It's great.
Yeah.
Well, this has been fun and I'msure there might be some follow
up questions.
So if you have any follow upquestions, feel free to DM me on
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Instagram or send us an emailand I'm happy to expand even
more.
But actually, one thing thatjust came to mind on a, a
podcast I did, which.
At the time we're recordingthis, it was last week's
podcast, but this will be acouple weeks out.
But I actually talked about thison a podcast about becoming an
entrepreneur and how I think, Idon't think I believed it for
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myself all along, but how I hadlike these female leaders that I
was always very interested inthroughout my life.
Like Katie Couric, remember westalked her outside of her,
outside of her door when I waslike, what, like 10 years old or
something?
Eighth grade.
Eighth grade.
And then I always told you, or Itold you this last summer when
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we were watching the parent trapwith Charlotte, and I said, I
always really admired her havinglike the wedding dress business.
And you were like, that's whatyou took from the movie.
And I was like, yeah.
She just always seemed to lovewhat she did and she was
successful, but she was also agood mom.
And so I think sometimes maybeyou have these little glimmers
in your life of like maybe whereyou're headed, but you don't
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quite believe it yet, or, youlatch onto things that maybe you
don't realize will have aneffect on you later, right?
And then you, your whole lifesaid you wanted to be a teacher.
I mean, that was it.
You wanted to be a teacher andyou kept saying you wanted to be
a teacher.
And then one time you came homefrom club swimming and said, we
had a dietician come today.
Like that would be a fun hobby.
And I remember saying to you.
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Your passion can be your career.
And so you turn that like, okay.
And then actually what you donow is you do teach.
Mm-hmm.
You know, it doesn't, teacherdoesn't necessarily have to be
inside a classroom.
And so I think that you alwaysknew that you wanted to teach
people.
It's just, and looks differentthan what you had initially
thought.
So.
Totally.
Yeah.
Teaching, teaching people abouttheir bodies and teaching people
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about nutrition and health andteaching other practitioners as
well, which I love.
So.
Well, thank you so much forjoining.
This has been really fun.
Probably my favorite guest I'veever had.
Of course.
So thanks for joining us.
You're welcome.
Thank you so much for having me.
This has been super fun.
I hope you love today'sconversation with my mom.
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I know it was such a special onefor me to record, and if this
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