October 11, 2023 • 33 mins
Amidst the recent heartbreaking attacks on Israel, we found ourselves in a personal turmoil. With a Jewish family and close ties to Israel, we're no strangers to the constant menace of hate, both offline and in the digital world. This episode is our humble attempt to shed light on this complex issue, offering an empathetic viewpoint on the terror Israel faces from Hamas.
This conflict isn't just about a distant land; it has seeped into our personal lives. Struggling between our thirst for peace and the pressing need for self-protection, we explore this paradox that Israel faces every day. We expose the cultural ignorance surrounding this issue, contrast the Middle East's misunderstood reputation with Israel's progressive reality, and unmask the oppressive values Hamas champions.
In these troubling times, it's crucial to keep the torch of awareness ablaze. We dedicate the last part of our conversation to help you get a clearer picture of the ongoing conflict. We share resources and platforms that present the real scenario without distortion. We also understand how emotionally taxing this time can be, so we've included tips on maintaining mental health and resilience. Stay tuned as we promise to keep you updated on the situation, and hopefully, return to our regular schedule next week.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to a different type of episode of Len
Tony.
Now we are three days into theaftermath of a brutal, horrific
attack on the nation of Israelcarried out by the terrorist
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group Hamas, and this affects usdirectly.
Len's family lives there.
Len is from there.
Our kids are Jewish, len isJewish.
Extended family is Jewish.
This has been a very, verydifficult couple of days for us,
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and I can only begin to imaginewhat it's like for people that
are there and still dealing withthis, for who knows how long,
how long this will take.
This is the single mostdestructive day in the country's
history since the Holocaust,and the best way to put it for
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people that don't quiteunderstand the scope of what's
taking place.
It is the most comparable to9-11 from an American
perspective.
That's what Israel is dealingwith right now, only this is
more graphic, it's more shared,it's more widely seen.
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It's barbaric.
It's barbaric.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Now this show.
We don't talk about politicsand news.
That's not really our platform.
That's not really what we do.
We err on the side of healthand wellness and relationship
and parenting and our lives.
But what happened over theweekend directly impacts us.
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It wouldn't feel good to me andgood to us to just carry on.
It's been very hard for me.
The past couple of days I'vebeen just glued to the internet
and making sense of what's goingon and trying to share
everything that I know with myfollowers, because I think it's
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really important to stand up.
And I think, as a Jewish personin New Jersey, in the New York
area, in previous years, whenthings would happen
anti-Semitism and just a lot, Ithink was a couple of years ago
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celebrities were posting somepropaganda and it escalated
things and it escalated theonline hate and I was afraid.
I was afraid to speak up, I wasafraid to lend my voice because
I was afraid of getting bullied, because anytime that I would
say anything I would get bulliedand harassed online.
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And I've gotten threats and youname it.
And over the years it's justkind of silenced me in a way and
I was like I'm not going to sayanything.
And this time I'm like no, Ican't be silent, I can't sit
here and not say anything andpretend nothing is happening.
And I've just been blockingpeople left and right and people
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who have been saying anythingof the sorts of just coming at
me for just being just existingand it just like blocks and I'm
okay with that and we're notgoing to talk about the
complexities here of theconflict.
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Even myself, who's Israeli?
Who studied this?
I studied this in Canada in aMiddle East the history of
Middle East class from a veryunbiased professor, and it is so
complex and there's so manynuances to it.
But this is not about takingsides.
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What happened over this weekendis Plain Barbaric.
Hamas is a terroristorganization that wants to wipe
out Jews.
They don't want peace, theydon't want a two-state solution.
They don't want any of that.
They just want to annihilateJews.
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And as a grandchild of Holocaustsurvivors, sometimes it's
growing up and I was alwaysthinking to myself how did that
happen?
How did the Holocaust happen?
How did all these peoplebystanders just let thousands of
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people walk to gas chambers andbe shipped away and be ripped
apart from their families?
How did that happen?
And now I understand how thathappened, because the amount of
people that are silent throughthis, or the amount of people
that are defending what ishappening and celebrating,
celebrating little babies beingripped apart from their families
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, their parents murdered infront of them this is a horror
movie I can't even wrap my head.
It's barbaric Women raped andparaded in Gaza and everyone's
cheering and elderly, kidnappedwithout their med, with dementia
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.
This is not an even play.
This is the rules of war.
Those are not the rules of war.
You don't hurt the people whocannot fight back, and right now
there's over 150 plus people.
That's all I think about rightnow.
It's all I can think about isthe people who have been
kidnapped and who are sitting infear, who don't know their fate
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, like kids withoutthere's avideo of a little boy.
A little boy without his parents.
How are you defending thesepeople?
That is what blows my mind isthat people in America and the
United States sitting in thecozy homes, going on Twitter or
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going on Instagram defendingthis and I see people in my own
community defending this, orpeople in my own community just
glossing completely over it, andit's just like you know.
I can't wrap my head around it,I just can't.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
What would you want people to know if you were to?
Is there a lot of people thatdon't understand what's going on
between Palestine and Israel?
Like just it's so far away,it's so far removed, like almost
in a lot of Americans' heads.
Like the Middle East is like aseparate container for things
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that we don't understand andcompartmentalize.
So if you were to want peoplethat really didn't get it really
weren't aware, what would youwant?
Speaker 2 (07:38):
to bring to light.
I mean, it's like you know, welive in the United States, right
?
We don't necessarily agree withour government.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Right.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
We don't necessarily agree with everything our
government does.
So if something like this wouldGod forbid to happen in the
United States, is it like, oh,they deserve it, because we
deserve it, because we don'tagree with our government.
You know what I mean, Right,Like I feel like we see things
in a certain lens.
That doesn't, it doesn't makesense.
(08:04):
You know, like today isColumbus Day, the.
You know like they talk aboutIsrael being colonizers, Like
the United States is a colonizer, Britain is a colonizer.
And again, I'm not going to gointo the history because a lot
of people might not agree withmy views and that's okay.
I see things a little bitdifferently because I am biased.
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I am the grandchild ofHolocaust survivors and Israel
was the only country that wouldtake my family.
Where else were they supposedto go when the whole world
didn't accept them?
You know my grandparents andthese are both sides of my
grandparents, who survived theHolocaust from Eastern Europe
and also my grandparents fromMorocco.
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This is two completely separateregions who both had nowhere to
go but Israel.
You know, my father immigratedwhen he was eight years old and
his family immigrated to Israelbecause they were the only Jews
in Morocco.
They had to escape.
It was a dangerous place forthem and, of course you know, my
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mom immigrated to Israel withher parents.
Same reason Israel is.
Thank God we have Israel.
Jewish people are not safe.
We haven't been safe in decadesand even in America we're not
safe so many.
In the past couple of yearsalone, the amount of
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anti-Semitic attacks on Jewshave increased by like 75
percent something crazy.
It's like one of the mostmassive amounts of people like
the synagogues being shot Likewell, not, you go to a temple
and there's security guards, butit's not cool to support Jews
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for some reason.
Like it's just a hard thing,because if it was any other
group of people, like everybodywould come and defend them, but
when it comes to Jews for somereason I mean I know the reason-
why do you think that is?
Oh, can you want to get into?
I mean, this is decades of hate.
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How can you explain that?
I don't know.
I don't know.
I've dealt with anti-Semitismmy whole life and so I think
people don't even know why theyhate Jews.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Yeah, I mean you've heard me talk about this.
I grew up in town with a verylittle Jewish population.
I knew two Jewish familiesgrowing up the Krinix and the
Apple Bombs.
And those were the two familiesthat I knew and that was it.
Like I knew they were Jewish,just like I knew my friend Chris
was Catholic, and I knew that Iwent to a Methodist church.
Like it didn't mean anything tome, different than you know,
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they don't have Christmas andthat's about it.
Like I didn't grow up with anysort of preconceived notions
about what it meant, so I don'tnecessarily understand it either
, but there does seem to be alack of rallying when there
needs to be rallying.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
I obviously have my points of view when it comes to
this, but you, as kind of anoutsider now insider do you
agree that there is a lack ofrallying?
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Yeah, I mean it's very.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Or coming to the defense of Jewish people.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
There is certainly a noticeable disparity in the
support system when it comes tothe state of Israel and Jewish
people in general.
There is I mean it comes fromprobably a lot of stereotypes
about the power, the perceivedpower, that Jewish people have
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in the media and entertainmentand other banking systems,
whatever it is, and that why dothey need our help?
Right Like there are not somemisbegotten group of people that
can't figure it out or needhelp.
I don't know if there'ssomething to that, but that
would be on paper.
What it looks like to me isthat it's easier to justify not
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helping than it would be othercommunities Like you hear them
in the United States andprobably around the world, but
I've seen communities rally forother communities before not too
far in the past, and it doesn'tfeel the same in this case.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Yeah, yeah, and you know, I grew up in Israel, like
I lived in Israel for six yearsof my life and when I was 12, 13
, in the 90s, there was a waveof terrorism, hamas, the same
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people that did what they did.
Like this is not new, what'shappening, this has been going.
Hamas has never wanted peace.
They would strap bombs onthemselves and blow up buses
filled with civilians who'sgoing to school, going to work
in my community and I grew upvery quick, like when I moved to
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Israel I was 11, 12 years old,me as age.
I grew up real quick and beforethat, you know, living in
Canada, I was like in Canada,like all hunky dory and you know
it's going right there hunkydory right.
And then going right to Israeland feeling firsthand, you know,
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terrorism and feeling fear,feeling fear of unknown and not
understanding why, like, why dothey hate us?
And I remember asking myparents, why do they hate us so
much?
And you know as a kid, youdon't.
It's hard to understand, it'shard to understand.
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And here, like I heard a bombgo this is not far Like I lived
in Central Tel Aviv and therewas a bus that I would take
regularly that blew up.
And it's so close to home andyou hear, and Israel is such a
small country, like you know the, you know the cousin, the
brother, the friend it's likeit's really small and everybody
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knows each other, and these arethings that happened when I was
growing up as a kid.
Like this is inherent traumathat I that I'm reliving right
now and back then.
And this, what happened thisweekend, is not even as bad as
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it was happening over and overagain all over the country.
And Israelis they don't, theydon't want they.
What's happening with thePalestinian?
Nobody wants it.
Nobody wants to live like this.
Nobody wants it.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
You know Israelis don't necessarily agree with
everything the government does,you know it's I mean, we were
there over the summer, right, wesaw hundreds of thousands of
people filling the streetsrebelling against the government
.
Right.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Essentially, essentially well, he was.
I mean, our Bibi Netanyahu waslike the equivalent of Donald
Trump and he's he's horrible.
And because of all thepolitical bullshit that was
going on, we lost sight of whatreally matters is our security.
And I'm not gonna again, Idon't wanna go into politics and
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I don't wanna go into that, butI'll tell you that the Israeli,
the people of Israel, thecitizens, don't want this.
They don't want, they don'twant the Palestinians and
oppressed, they don't want, likewe all want.
They all want peace.
It's just nobody can agree.
Nobody can agree.
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And the thing is Israel, israelhas a right to defend itself
Like it's.
You know.
Again, if there's people youknow Hamas come threatening and
throwing bombs at you, like whatare you gonna do?
It's like, imagine your home.
You have a house, you have yourhouse and that house was given
to you by your greatgrandparents.
This is your home and you havea guest that comes every once in
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a while and starts breakingshit.
You're not gonna keep invitingthat guest into your house.
You know what I mean?
Right, but you keep trying togive the guest chances because
you really want it to work outand you really wanna be friends
with this guest.
But this guest is like no, thisis my house.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Right, and I was gonna say that's the problem.
This is my house, the guestthinks that the house is theirs
also.
Right, but it keeps breakingshit, and if you can't enjoy it,
nobody's going to agree Exactly.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
And I'm gonna burn your house down, yeah, so what's
the solution there?
Speaker 1 (17:14):
I don't know the solution exactly.
You build another house.
I don't know, I don't know, Idon't even want to, I Don't even
want to riff on it and makemake light of it, because I
don't know.
I don't think there are a lot ofpeople that do know what the
solution is, but I mean, havingbeen to Israel, it like
completely reframed what IThought, or I don't even know
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what I thought.
It's the Middle East and, andas a kid growing up in West
Virginia without much exposureto culture outside of West
Virginia, the Middle East wasthe Middle East.
It's like what I watched in the90s when we were in the Iraq
War, like that's all the MiddleEast, right, it's all sand and
deserts and and thatBy-and-large old towns, whatever
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.
And then you go to Israel andyou're like this is like Miami.
New York had a baby.
Yeah, it's beautiful, theweather is better, yeah, and
it's like this is not some likeThird-world, like ancient
civilization.
There is part of that in there,like there is a broad, broad
spectrum of Culture and townsand cities that all span from
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thousands of years ago all theway to the modern Tel Aviv
landscape, but like it's justLike Tel Aviv and Israel unto
itself is a very harmonious,accepting, loving place.
It feels like any city thatcould exist in in the United
States.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
But that is part of the problem is that Israel is a
democracy.
It's the only democracy in theMiddle East right and we have
with ties with the United States, with ties with the United
Kingdom, with ties with all, allover the world, with, with the
best technology coming out ofthis tiny little speck on on the
map.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
Right we are.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
we accept the every type of people, lgbtq, there's
all races, you know it is themost it is the most Democratic,
it's a very and Tel Aviv,especially, is the most liberal
country and that liberal city Imean yeah, that's what I'm at,
so I Like that's everything thatHamas is against.
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They're there for theoppression of women, they're.
They are against, you know,like if you're gay and you're in
fucking Gaza you will be stoned.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
So this is really interesting, this queers for you
know Palestine Like it's veryinteresting because if you were
queer in Palestine, you'd bestoned right just I Don't know
if you know this yeah, you Knowwhat I'm saying like it's just a
lot of things that people don'treally understand and again,
it's complex right, like you cansupport the fact that there are
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women and children in Palestinethat are used as human shields
every time something like thishappens, and you can feel for
that, and you Can absolutelypray and hope for the peace for
all the families that areaffected by this.
That has it has nothing to dowith Palestine.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Do not want this either.
I don't want to see there rightagain, the enemy is Hamas.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Yes, and Iran and Iran right.
Yeah, free Palestine from Hamasand Iran, and now you can get
on board.
But like this, you know, thisis not freedom, like this is not
fighting for freedom, this isterrorism, I mean they.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
They just set themselves back.
They're not gonna get any aidsanymore, like Financial aid is
Israel's not gonna let them.
That you know about.
Like I think like 30,000 to50,000 people from Gaza were
coming in every single day toIsrael to work, to make money,
yeah, and?
And those people will no longerbe able to get work visas into
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the country, right?
Speaker 1 (21:11):
Yeah, I mean it's not .
It's not a regime that'slooking out for the best
interests of their people.
I mean.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
And again what happened, and I want to like
just reiterate this that you canbe completely against Israel,
got the Israeli government andnot agree with anything that
they do, but also no not condemnwhat.
What happened?
Yeah, because it is barbaric andit's not like you're threading
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a needle either, that's a veryeasy position to take but it
blows my mind how people arelike, oh, but, you know, like I,
what I see on the internet islike oh, you know, it's horrible
what happened in Israel, butLike, no, there's no buts,
there's no buts, there's no buts.
You know what I'm saying?
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Like it's, it's, that's whatjust upset.
Upsetting to me right.
Anyway, um, you know, it'sreally hard, like, if you're
listening to this, if you'reJewish or Israeli and you're
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living here in the United States, like, if you need somebody to
talk to, like feel free tomessage me.
I think what's been helping me,um, a lot, is Just talking to a
lot of people in my communityand, and you know, I want to say
that the amount of outpouringof love that I've received in
the last couple of days fromstrangers, from non-Jews, has
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been incredible and I reallyappreciate it.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
You can just say me what.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
No, a lot of people like reached out.
I do like.
Of course, you know, I amcomplaining about the people who
have, who haven't done anything, who haven't voiced.
We have stayed silent, ofcourse, because the silence is
very you know, loud.
It's deafening, but at the sametime I think a lot of people
did reach out to, to, to me, tous and not just people who are
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Jewish people, like people youknow from All over all all
periods of my life.
Yeah like high school, mine tooand just, you know, random
followers and appreciating thatI'm, you know, posting about it
where they can learn more, and Iappreciate it when people are
like, hey, I don't know muchabout this conflict and I am
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don't know what to say, and I'mlike that is enough in itself.
You know, like just reach outto somebody in your life that
you know is affected by this andjust say, hey, are you okay?
Like do you need anything?
Like what can I do?
Like that's all we need because, like in previous times, it we
would have to just like dealwith it on our own.
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You know, like I think, likeI'm hoping that people are
encouraged to reach out to, topeople going through this and
just showing support fair to saythat, while there is vast
amounts of Ignorance around thistopic, would this also be the
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most support?
Speaker 1 (24:15):
you think you?
Speaker 2 (24:16):
yes, absolutely, I think a hundred percent, but
I've also been more vocal aboutit.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Sure.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
I've been more well and also people know that I have
Friends and family in Israeland this directly affects me.
This directly impacts me, andyou know I've always, I've
shared, always, like, my lovefor Israel and I are my trips
and, and how much you know thiscountry means to me, like and
and how much I've been throughthere.
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You know and, yeah, a lot of itis sad shit like my time in
Israel wasn't necessarily aneasy one, like it wasn't.
I grew up really fast.
I saw things that I didn't wantto see at such a young age and
but it also shaped me into theperson that, the empathetic
person that I am, and and I havea special place for it and I'm
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heartbroken.
I'm I'm heartbroken.
But you know, there's one thingI know we Jewish people are so
strong and resilient and wesurvived so much.
I live it.
Literally.
Every holiday is.
Every single Jewish holiday iscentered around we serve.
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They tried to kill us.
We survived.
Less fucking party like everyJewish holiday.
And as hard as things are nowand as tragic as things are
right now, and it's like youlike, where do I see hope?
You know, I want to see hope atthe something we will overcome.
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We will rise up.
I know we will, and that's whatI'm kind of holding on to right
now.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
Oh, Well, at first and foremost, hope that they get
the people back.
I hope this ends quicker than Ithink it's going to, but most
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of all, I hope you never stoptalking about it.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
I'm not going to stop .
No, yeah, it's kind of like Ibroke the seal in a way and I'm
just like you know, I'm justblocking people and just tuning
out the negative, because I knowthat I have a platform and if I
could reach one person tounderstand this, then I've done
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my job.
You know, my family is there.
My parents are there, my sisterand my nieces and nephews are
there and my whole family isthere.
Basically my whole family isthere and they don't want to
leave.
I told them like why don't youjust come here or come to?
You know, my parents have aplace in Miami, just go back to
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Miami.
And that's like no, we're notleaving, we're stubborn as fuck.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
We're not fucking leaving.
We're fighting this.
We're doing what.
We're going to be here andwe're going to, you know, be
there for each other.
And that's hard for me notbeing there.
It's hard for me not, and thankGod they are safe and thank God
they're okay and they haveeverything that they need and
you know like, but it'sdevastating, it's devastating.
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It's devastating Like the rave.
You know like there was a ravein the desert.
You know, with young 20, youknow young 20 year olds going.
We've all been to like little.
You know, maybe we all had ourlike party in the desert moment.
You know you've been to likeCoachella or you know, burning
man.
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I went to like I went to likeraves in my Canada which were
like in the forest, but in thevideos and yeah it's, it's
horrible and there's nojustifying it.
Now I want to give some tips ontaking care of your mental
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health during this time, becauseif you're listening to this, if
you're going through what I'mgoing through, a few things that
have helped me during this timeis going outside, like as hard
as it is, and you just want todo them scroll all day.
Go outside, get some sunlight,go for a walk.
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Now, that's number one is justgo outside Any type of movement,
like just basic, don't need you, don't need to like go crazy,
just go for a walk, take the dogIf you have a dog, take the dog
out Like just go outside.
Number two taking breaks offsocial media.
I know that's really hard, likeit's been really hard for me,
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because I want to know what'sgoing on and, in a way, I think
part of the doom scrolling isyou want to find comfort.
You want to find like good news, like nuggets of comfort, in a
way.
Like I feel like that's whatI'm always searching for.
Is you know, did they rescuesomebody?
Like just something, give mesomething, and occasionally I
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find that nugget of hope, youknow, like seeing the volunteers
like get you know, mobilizingand getting things ready to
donate, and that's been helpingsometimes.
But taking breaks from socialmedia, if you can like, the
thing is, the part with me isthat I want to obviously share
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information that I know becauseI feel like people are looking
to me for that.
So but if I didn't have to doit, I would probably like take
the full day off or take acouple of hours, like if I
didn't feel like I had that kindof responsibility.
So that's number two.
Number three reaching out topeople your friends, your family
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.
I've been talking to randompeople on the phone, you know
random, like business ownersthat I like, I know that I'm
sort of acquainted and justtalking to people and that's
been really helpful, feelinglike not alone, like feeling
like supported and also reachingout to people that I know are
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struggling to and seeing ifthey're okay.
So that's number three iscommunities reaching out to the
community.
Going to the visual today atCity Hall, that felt good being
around other people who aregoing through the same thing as
me.
Number four just loweringexpectations of yourself.
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I had a whole plan of things.
Shit I want to get done, go, go, go podcast content and I'm
just kind of letting go of that.
I need to just do the best thatI can and focus on what I can
focus on and just being gratefulthat my family is safe, like
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that's all I can really thinkabout.
And if you have troublesleeping, definitely get some of
these gummies, because thathelps Knock yourself out.
The sleeping is tough becausethat's when you're alone with
your thoughts, and so dowhatever you can to get some
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sleep.
Yeah, there's no effect.
Yeah, there's nothing else Coldplunging, I think you could
call it plunging.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
Had to drop that in there.
Yeah, still doing that, yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
Anything else in my life.
I think that's it Call a friend.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Call a friend.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Tell them you love them, support them.
Yeah, thanks for your.
Hopefully the next episode willbe so somber.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
It's important.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
Because we'll review skew health and wellness on the
podcast.
We also do talk about what'sgoing on and keeping it real in
that way, and this is what'sgoing on for us right now and
it's front and center, and atsome point it won't necessarily
be front and center for us, butit will be for a lot of people
(32:34):
still that are still over there.
They're still fighting.
So it's important to have amoment to bring awareness to
what's taking place and I reallyappreciate you doing that.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
And I would really like for us to add in the
comments that other people, thatpeople can follow like news and
updates and stuff.
I just think it's important tocontinue talking about this and
raising awareness and maybe wecan share some books or
resources where people can learnmore if you really want to dive
(33:09):
into the conflict.
There's tons of people who havewritten about it and we really
love Moshe on Instagram.
He is a news, he posts aboutnews and it's very well done,
right, he's great and he lays iton very, you know, honest.
So definitely follow him andwe'll share some other people
(33:32):
that we like.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
Well, we'll be back next week with our regular
schedule, and thank you forlistening to this episode.
Thank you so much for listening.
Love you guys.
Welcome to a different type of episode of Len
Tony.
Now we are three days into theaftermath of a brutal, horrific
attack on the nation of Israelcarried out by the terrorist
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group Hamas, and this affects usdirectly.
Len's family lives there.
Len is from there.
Our kids are Jewish, len isJewish.
Extended family is Jewish.
This has been a very, verydifficult couple of days for us,
(00:46):
and I can only begin to imaginewhat it's like for people that
are there and still dealing withthis, for who knows how long,
how long this will take.
This is the single mostdestructive day in the country's
history since the Holocaust,and the best way to put it for
(01:12):
people that don't quiteunderstand the scope of what's
taking place.
It is the most comparable to9-11 from an American
perspective.
That's what Israel is dealingwith right now, only this is
more graphic, it's more shared,it's more widely seen.
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It's barbaric.
It's barbaric.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Now this show.
We don't talk about politicsand news.
That's not really our platform.
That's not really what we do.
We err on the side of healthand wellness and relationship
and parenting and our lives.
But what happened over theweekend directly impacts us.
(02:00):
It wouldn't feel good to me andgood to us to just carry on.
It's been very hard for me.
The past couple of days I'vebeen just glued to the internet
and making sense of what's goingon and trying to share
everything that I know with myfollowers, because I think it's
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really important to stand up.
And I think, as a Jewish personin New Jersey, in the New York
area, in previous years, whenthings would happen
anti-Semitism and just a lot, Ithink was a couple of years ago
(02:46):
celebrities were posting somepropaganda and it escalated
things and it escalated theonline hate and I was afraid.
I was afraid to speak up, I wasafraid to lend my voice because
I was afraid of getting bullied, because anytime that I would
say anything I would get bulliedand harassed online.
(03:09):
And I've gotten threats and youname it.
And over the years it's justkind of silenced me in a way and
I was like I'm not going to sayanything.
And this time I'm like no, Ican't be silent, I can't sit
here and not say anything andpretend nothing is happening.
And I've just been blockingpeople left and right and people
(03:34):
who have been saying anythingof the sorts of just coming at
me for just being just existingand it just like blocks and I'm
okay with that and we're notgoing to talk about the
complexities here of theconflict.
(03:56):
Even myself, who's Israeli?
Who studied this?
I studied this in Canada in aMiddle East the history of
Middle East class from a veryunbiased professor, and it is so
complex and there's so manynuances to it.
But this is not about takingsides.
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What happened over this weekendis Plain Barbaric.
Hamas is a terroristorganization that wants to wipe
out Jews.
They don't want peace, theydon't want a two-state solution.
They don't want any of that.
They just want to annihilateJews.
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And as a grandchild of Holocaustsurvivors, sometimes it's
growing up and I was alwaysthinking to myself how did that
happen?
How did the Holocaust happen?
How did all these peoplebystanders just let thousands of
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people walk to gas chambers andbe shipped away and be ripped
apart from their families?
How did that happen?
And now I understand how thathappened, because the amount of
people that are silent throughthis, or the amount of people
that are defending what ishappening and celebrating,
celebrating little babies beingripped apart from their families
(05:28):
, their parents murdered infront of them this is a horror
movie I can't even wrap my head.
It's barbaric Women raped andparaded in Gaza and everyone's
cheering and elderly, kidnappedwithout their med, with dementia
(05:49):
.
This is not an even play.
This is the rules of war.
Those are not the rules of war.
You don't hurt the people whocannot fight back, and right now
there's over 150 plus people.
That's all I think about rightnow.
It's all I can think about isthe people who have been
kidnapped and who are sitting infear, who don't know their fate
(06:12):
, like kids withoutthere's avideo of a little boy.
A little boy without his parents.
How are you defending thesepeople?
That is what blows my mind isthat people in America and the
United States sitting in thecozy homes, going on Twitter or
(06:36):
going on Instagram defendingthis and I see people in my own
community defending this, orpeople in my own community just
glossing completely over it, andit's just like you know.
I can't wrap my head around it,I just can't.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
What would you want people to know if you were to?
Is there a lot of people thatdon't understand what's going on
between Palestine and Israel?
Like just it's so far away,it's so far removed, like almost
in a lot of Americans' heads.
Like the Middle East is like aseparate container for things
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that we don't understand andcompartmentalize.
So if you were to want peoplethat really didn't get it really
weren't aware, what would youwant?
Speaker 2 (07:38):
to bring to light.
I mean, it's like you know, welive in the United States, right
?
We don't necessarily agree withour government.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Right.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
We don't necessarily agree with everything our
government does.
So if something like this wouldGod forbid to happen in the
United States, is it like, oh,they deserve it, because we
deserve it, because we don'tagree with our government.
You know what I mean, Right,Like I feel like we see things
in a certain lens.
That doesn't, it doesn't makesense.
(08:04):
You know, like today isColumbus Day, the.
You know like they talk aboutIsrael being colonizers, Like
the United States is a colonizer, Britain is a colonizer.
And again, I'm not going to gointo the history because a lot
of people might not agree withmy views and that's okay.
I see things a little bitdifferently because I am biased.
(08:27):
I am the grandchild ofHolocaust survivors and Israel
was the only country that wouldtake my family.
Where else were they supposedto go when the whole world
didn't accept them?
You know my grandparents andthese are both sides of my
grandparents, who survived theHolocaust from Eastern Europe
and also my grandparents fromMorocco.
(08:49):
This is two completely separateregions who both had nowhere to
go but Israel.
You know, my father immigratedwhen he was eight years old and
his family immigrated to Israelbecause they were the only Jews
in Morocco.
They had to escape.
It was a dangerous place forthem and, of course you know, my
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mom immigrated to Israel withher parents.
Same reason Israel is.
Thank God we have Israel.
Jewish people are not safe.
We haven't been safe in decadesand even in America we're not
safe so many.
In the past couple of yearsalone, the amount of
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anti-Semitic attacks on Jewshave increased by like 75
percent something crazy.
It's like one of the mostmassive amounts of people like
the synagogues being shot Likewell, not, you go to a temple
and there's security guards, butit's not cool to support Jews
(09:57):
for some reason.
Like it's just a hard thing,because if it was any other
group of people, like everybodywould come and defend them, but
when it comes to Jews for somereason I mean I know the reason-
why do you think that is?
Oh, can you want to get into?
I mean, this is decades of hate.
(10:18):
How can you explain that?
I don't know.
I don't know.
I've dealt with anti-Semitismmy whole life and so I think
people don't even know why theyhate Jews.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Yeah, I mean you've heard me talk about this.
I grew up in town with a verylittle Jewish population.
I knew two Jewish familiesgrowing up the Krinix and the
Apple Bombs.
And those were the two familiesthat I knew and that was it.
Like I knew they were Jewish,just like I knew my friend Chris
was Catholic, and I knew that Iwent to a Methodist church.
Like it didn't mean anything tome, different than you know,
(11:00):
they don't have Christmas andthat's about it.
Like I didn't grow up with anysort of preconceived notions
about what it meant, so I don'tnecessarily understand it either
, but there does seem to be alack of rallying when there
needs to be rallying.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
I obviously have my points of view when it comes to
this, but you, as kind of anoutsider now insider do you
agree that there is a lack ofrallying?
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Yeah, I mean it's very.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Or coming to the defense of Jewish people.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
There is certainly a noticeable disparity in the
support system when it comes tothe state of Israel and Jewish
people in general.
There is I mean it comes fromprobably a lot of stereotypes
about the power, the perceivedpower, that Jewish people have
(12:03):
in the media and entertainmentand other banking systems,
whatever it is, and that why dothey need our help?
Right Like there are not somemisbegotten group of people that
can't figure it out or needhelp.
I don't know if there'ssomething to that, but that
would be on paper.
What it looks like to me isthat it's easier to justify not
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helping than it would be othercommunities Like you hear them
in the United States andprobably around the world, but
I've seen communities rally forother communities before not too
far in the past, and it doesn'tfeel the same in this case.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Yeah, yeah, and you know, I grew up in Israel, like
I lived in Israel for six yearsof my life and when I was 12, 13
, in the 90s, there was a waveof terrorism, hamas, the same
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people that did what they did.
Like this is not new, what'shappening, this has been going.
Hamas has never wanted peace.
They would strap bombs onthemselves and blow up buses
filled with civilians who'sgoing to school, going to work
in my community and I grew upvery quick, like when I moved to
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Israel I was 11, 12 years old,me as age.
I grew up real quick and beforethat, you know, living in
Canada, I was like in Canada,like all hunky dory and you know
it's going right there hunkydory right.
And then going right to Israeland feeling firsthand, you know,
(13:54):
terrorism and feeling fear,feeling fear of unknown and not
understanding why, like, why dothey hate us?
And I remember asking myparents, why do they hate us so
much?
And you know as a kid, youdon't.
It's hard to understand, it'shard to understand.
(14:15):
And here, like I heard a bombgo this is not far Like I lived
in Central Tel Aviv and therewas a bus that I would take
regularly that blew up.
And it's so close to home andyou hear, and Israel is such a
small country, like you know the, you know the cousin, the
brother, the friend it's likeit's really small and everybody
(14:36):
knows each other, and these arethings that happened when I was
growing up as a kid.
Like this is inherent traumathat I that I'm reliving right
now and back then.
And this, what happened thisweekend, is not even as bad as
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it was happening over and overagain all over the country.
And Israelis they don't, theydon't want they.
What's happening with thePalestinian?
Nobody wants it.
Nobody wants to live like this.
Nobody wants it.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
You know Israelis don't necessarily agree with
everything the government does,you know it's I mean, we were
there over the summer, right, wesaw hundreds of thousands of
people filling the streetsrebelling against the government
.
Right.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Essentially, essentially well, he was.
I mean, our Bibi Netanyahu waslike the equivalent of Donald
Trump and he's he's horrible.
And because of all thepolitical bullshit that was
going on, we lost sight of whatreally matters is our security.
And I'm not gonna again, Idon't wanna go into politics and
(15:51):
I don't wanna go into that, butI'll tell you that the Israeli,
the people of Israel, thecitizens, don't want this.
They don't want, they don'twant the Palestinians and
oppressed, they don't want, likewe all want.
They all want peace.
It's just nobody can agree.
Nobody can agree.
(16:14):
And the thing is Israel, israelhas a right to defend itself
Like it's.
You know.
Again, if there's people youknow Hamas come threatening and
throwing bombs at you, like whatare you gonna do?
It's like, imagine your home.
You have a house, you have yourhouse and that house was given
to you by your greatgrandparents.
This is your home and you havea guest that comes every once in
(16:37):
a while and starts breakingshit.
You're not gonna keep invitingthat guest into your house.
You know what I mean?
Right, but you keep trying togive the guest chances because
you really want it to work outand you really wanna be friends
with this guest.
But this guest is like no, thisis my house.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Right, and I was gonna say that's the problem.
This is my house, the guestthinks that the house is theirs
also.
Right, but it keeps breakingshit, and if you can't enjoy it,
nobody's going to agree Exactly.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
And I'm gonna burn your house down, yeah, so what's
the solution there?
Speaker 1 (17:14):
I don't know the solution exactly.
You build another house.
I don't know, I don't know, Idon't even want to, I Don't even
want to riff on it and makemake light of it, because I
don't know.
I don't think there are a lot ofpeople that do know what the
solution is, but I mean, havingbeen to Israel, it like
completely reframed what IThought, or I don't even know
(17:38):
what I thought.
It's the Middle East and, andas a kid growing up in West
Virginia without much exposureto culture outside of West
Virginia, the Middle East wasthe Middle East.
It's like what I watched in the90s when we were in the Iraq
War, like that's all the MiddleEast, right, it's all sand and
deserts and and thatBy-and-large old towns, whatever
(18:01):
.
And then you go to Israel andyou're like this is like Miami.
New York had a baby.
Yeah, it's beautiful, theweather is better, yeah, and
it's like this is not some likeThird-world, like ancient
civilization.
There is part of that in there,like there is a broad, broad
spectrum of Culture and townsand cities that all span from
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thousands of years ago all theway to the modern Tel Aviv
landscape, but like it's justLike Tel Aviv and Israel unto
itself is a very harmonious,accepting, loving place.
It feels like any city thatcould exist in in the United
States.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
But that is part of the problem is that Israel is a
democracy.
It's the only democracy in theMiddle East right and we have
with ties with the United States, with ties with the United
Kingdom, with ties with all, allover the world, with, with the
best technology coming out ofthis tiny little speck on on the
map.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
Right we are.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
we accept the every type of people, lgbtq, there's
all races, you know it is themost it is the most Democratic,
it's a very and Tel Aviv,especially, is the most liberal
country and that liberal city Imean yeah, that's what I'm at,
so I Like that's everything thatHamas is against.
(19:32):
They're there for theoppression of women, they're.
They are against, you know,like if you're gay and you're in
fucking Gaza you will be stoned.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
So this is really interesting, this queers for you
know Palestine Like it's veryinteresting because if you were
queer in Palestine, you'd bestoned right just I Don't know
if you know this yeah, you Knowwhat I'm saying like it's just a
lot of things that people don'treally understand and again,
it's complex right, like you cansupport the fact that there are
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women and children in Palestinethat are used as human shields
every time something like thishappens, and you can feel for
that, and you Can absolutelypray and hope for the peace for
all the families that areaffected by this.
That has it has nothing to dowith Palestine.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Do not want this either.
I don't want to see there rightagain, the enemy is Hamas.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Yes, and Iran and Iran right.
Yeah, free Palestine from Hamasand Iran, and now you can get
on board.
But like this, you know, thisis not freedom, like this is not
fighting for freedom, this isterrorism, I mean they.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
They just set themselves back.
They're not gonna get any aidsanymore, like Financial aid is
Israel's not gonna let them.
That you know about.
Like I think like 30,000 to50,000 people from Gaza were
coming in every single day toIsrael to work, to make money,
yeah, and?
And those people will no longerbe able to get work visas into
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the country, right?
Speaker 1 (21:11):
Yeah, I mean it's not .
It's not a regime that'slooking out for the best
interests of their people.
I mean.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
And again what happened, and I want to like
just reiterate this that you canbe completely against Israel,
got the Israeli government andnot agree with anything that
they do, but also no not condemnwhat.
What happened?
Yeah, because it is barbaric andit's not like you're threading
(21:39):
a needle either, that's a veryeasy position to take but it
blows my mind how people arelike, oh, but, you know, like I,
what I see on the internet islike oh, you know, it's horrible
what happened in Israel, butLike, no, there's no buts,
there's no buts, there's no buts.
You know what I'm saying?
(21:59):
Like it's, it's, that's whatjust upset.
Upsetting to me right.
Anyway, um, you know, it'sreally hard, like, if you're
listening to this, if you'reJewish or Israeli and you're
(22:20):
living here in the United States, like, if you need somebody to
talk to, like feel free tomessage me.
I think what's been helping me,um, a lot, is Just talking to a
lot of people in my communityand, and you know, I want to say
that the amount of outpouringof love that I've received in
the last couple of days fromstrangers, from non-Jews, has
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been incredible and I reallyappreciate it.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
You can just say me what.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
No, a lot of people like reached out.
I do like.
Of course, you know, I amcomplaining about the people who
have, who haven't done anything, who haven't voiced.
We have stayed silent, ofcourse, because the silence is
very you know, loud.
It's deafening, but at the sametime I think a lot of people
did reach out to, to, to me, tous and not just people who are
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Jewish people, like people youknow from All over all all
periods of my life.
Yeah like high school, mine tooand just, you know, random
followers and appreciating thatI'm, you know, posting about it
where they can learn more, and Iappreciate it when people are
like, hey, I don't know muchabout this conflict and I am
(23:32):
don't know what to say, and I'mlike that is enough in itself.
You know, like just reach outto somebody in your life that
you know is affected by this andjust say, hey, are you okay?
Like do you need anything?
Like what can I do?
Like that's all we need because, like in previous times, it we
would have to just like dealwith it on our own.
(23:52):
You know, like I think, likeI'm hoping that people are
encouraged to reach out to, topeople going through this and
just showing support fair to saythat, while there is vast
amounts of Ignorance around thistopic, would this also be the
(24:14):
most support?
Speaker 1 (24:15):
you think you?
Speaker 2 (24:16):
yes, absolutely, I think a hundred percent, but
I've also been more vocal aboutit.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Sure.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
I've been more well and also people know that I have
Friends and family in Israeland this directly affects me.
This directly impacts me, andyou know I've always, I've
shared, always, like, my lovefor Israel and I are my trips
and, and how much you know thiscountry means to me, like and
and how much I've been throughthere.
(24:43):
You know and, yeah, a lot of itis sad shit like my time in
Israel wasn't necessarily aneasy one, like it wasn't.
I grew up really fast.
I saw things that I didn't wantto see at such a young age and
but it also shaped me into theperson that, the empathetic
person that I am, and and I havea special place for it and I'm
(25:08):
heartbroken.
I'm I'm heartbroken.
But you know, there's one thingI know we Jewish people are so
strong and resilient and wesurvived so much.
I live it.
Literally.
Every holiday is.
Every single Jewish holiday iscentered around we serve.
(25:33):
They tried to kill us.
We survived.
Less fucking party like everyJewish holiday.
And as hard as things are nowand as tragic as things are
right now, and it's like youlike, where do I see hope?
You know, I want to see hope atthe something we will overcome.
(25:54):
We will rise up.
I know we will, and that's whatI'm kind of holding on to right
now.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
Oh, Well, at first and foremost, hope that they get
the people back.
I hope this ends quicker than Ithink it's going to, but most
(26:33):
of all, I hope you never stoptalking about it.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
I'm not going to stop .
No, yeah, it's kind of like Ibroke the seal in a way and I'm
just like you know, I'm justblocking people and just tuning
out the negative, because I knowthat I have a platform and if I
could reach one person tounderstand this, then I've done
(26:58):
my job.
You know, my family is there.
My parents are there, my sisterand my nieces and nephews are
there and my whole family isthere.
Basically my whole family isthere and they don't want to
leave.
I told them like why don't youjust come here or come to?
You know, my parents have aplace in Miami, just go back to
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Miami.
And that's like no, we're notleaving, we're stubborn as fuck.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
We're not fucking leaving.
We're fighting this.
We're doing what.
We're going to be here andwe're going to, you know, be
there for each other.
And that's hard for me notbeing there.
It's hard for me not, and thankGod they are safe and thank God
they're okay and they haveeverything that they need and
you know like, but it'sdevastating, it's devastating.
(27:48):
It's devastating Like the rave.
You know like there was a ravein the desert.
You know, with young 20, youknow young 20 year olds going.
We've all been to like little.
You know, maybe we all had ourlike party in the desert moment.
You know you've been to likeCoachella or you know, burning
man.
(28:08):
I went to like I went to likeraves in my Canada which were
like in the forest, but in thevideos and yeah it's, it's
horrible and there's nojustifying it.
Now I want to give some tips ontaking care of your mental
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health during this time, becauseif you're listening to this, if
you're going through what I'mgoing through, a few things that
have helped me during this timeis going outside, like as hard
as it is, and you just want todo them scroll all day.
Go outside, get some sunlight,go for a walk.
(28:52):
Now, that's number one is justgo outside Any type of movement,
like just basic, don't need you, don't need to like go crazy,
just go for a walk, take the dogIf you have a dog, take the dog
out Like just go outside.
Number two taking breaks offsocial media.
I know that's really hard, likeit's been really hard for me,
(29:14):
because I want to know what'sgoing on and, in a way, I think
part of the doom scrolling isyou want to find comfort.
You want to find like good news, like nuggets of comfort, in a
way.
Like I feel like that's whatI'm always searching for.
Is you know, did they rescuesomebody?
Like just something, give mesomething, and occasionally I
(29:35):
find that nugget of hope, youknow, like seeing the volunteers
like get you know, mobilizingand getting things ready to
donate, and that's been helpingsometimes.
But taking breaks from socialmedia, if you can like, the
thing is, the part with me isthat I want to obviously share
(29:56):
information that I know becauseI feel like people are looking
to me for that.
So but if I didn't have to doit, I would probably like take
the full day off or take acouple of hours, like if I
didn't feel like I had that kindof responsibility.
So that's number two.
Number three reaching out topeople your friends, your family
(30:17):
.
I've been talking to randompeople on the phone, you know
random, like business ownersthat I like, I know that I'm
sort of acquainted and justtalking to people and that's
been really helpful, feelinglike not alone, like feeling
like supported and also reachingout to people that I know are
(30:37):
struggling to and seeing ifthey're okay.
So that's number three iscommunities reaching out to the
community.
Going to the visual today atCity Hall, that felt good being
around other people who aregoing through the same thing as
me.
Number four just loweringexpectations of yourself.
(30:59):
I had a whole plan of things.
Shit I want to get done, go, go, go podcast content and I'm
just kind of letting go of that.
I need to just do the best thatI can and focus on what I can
focus on and just being gratefulthat my family is safe, like
(31:21):
that's all I can really thinkabout.
And if you have troublesleeping, definitely get some of
these gummies, because thathelps Knock yourself out.
The sleeping is tough becausethat's when you're alone with
your thoughts, and so dowhatever you can to get some
(31:41):
sleep.
Yeah, there's no effect.
Yeah, there's nothing else Coldplunging, I think you could
call it plunging.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
Had to drop that in there.
Yeah, still doing that, yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
Anything else in my life.
I think that's it Call a friend.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Call a friend.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Tell them you love them, support them.
Yeah, thanks for your.
Hopefully the next episode willbe so somber.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
It's important.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
Because we'll review skew health and wellness on the
podcast.
We also do talk about what'sgoing on and keeping it real in
that way, and this is what'sgoing on for us right now and
it's front and center, and atsome point it won't necessarily
be front and center for us, butit will be for a lot of people
(32:34):
still that are still over there.
They're still fighting.
So it's important to have amoment to bring awareness to
what's taking place and I reallyappreciate you doing that.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
And I would really like for us to add in the
comments that other people, thatpeople can follow like news and
updates and stuff.
I just think it's important tocontinue talking about this and
raising awareness and maybe wecan share some books or
resources where people can learnmore if you really want to dive
(33:09):
into the conflict.
There's tons of people who havewritten about it and we really
love Moshe on Instagram.
He is a news, he posts aboutnews and it's very well done,
right, he's great and he lays iton very, you know, honest.
So definitely follow him andwe'll share some other people
(33:32):
that we like.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
Well, we'll be back next week with our regular
schedule, and thank you forlistening to this episode.
Thank you so much for listening.
Love you guys.
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