Communists VS Zionists & the Collapse of the American Empire w/ Michael Yon

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Speaker 1 (00:15):
Welcome to Man in America, a voice of reason in a
world gone mad. I'm your host,Seth Holehouse. When I look
around maybe when you lookaround these days, whether
you're looking at America, theworld in general, I just feel
like that everything is socrazy. Like, I have a hard time

(00:36):
making sense of a lot of what'shappening in the world. I mean,
I I I have a general idea and, Iguess, could say, you know, kind
of thread that I've followed tomake sense of what's happening,
but there's just so muchcraziness going on in in looking
at America, what's happeninghere in America, you know,
what's going on with Trump andand Israel, and what's where's

(00:58):
China play into this?
And there's just it's just sohard to make sense of where our
country's at, where we'reheaded. You know, you've got
them telling us that, you know,the economy is booming and
everything is amazing, yet Ithink your average American is
looking around just struggling,struggling to pay bills and to
get by and to keep a job and tofind a job. And it's just it's

(01:22):
yeah. It's just I have a hardtime making sense of it. And I
maybe you saw my my recent postsand everything, and I my dad
passed last just last week, fromwhat appeared to be a turbo
cancer, which was just kindacaught us completely by
surprise.
And that even further kinda sentme just spiraling a bit, not
like in an overly negative way,but just in a way of

(01:44):
questioning. It's like, what isgoing on in the world right now?
Where is this country headed?You know, I'm still very
positive. Like, I'm just I'm I'mnaturally a very positive
person.
I'm optimistic. I do see thesilver lining in things, but I
also wanna be a realist. And sojoining me today is a good
friend of mine, Michael Yon. NowMichael is he's probably one of

(02:06):
most intelligent people I know,and you'll see that in this
conversation. Just hisunderstanding of history and war
and psychology, and he so he'sif you're not familiar with him,
he's a former Green Beret, buthe's also an extremely
experienced combat, reporter orcombat, what is the sorry.

(02:26):
My my brain just is is kindastruggling these days.
Correspondent. Right? So he'sjust been on the front lines of
war after war after war. He'sbeen to insane numbers of
countries, but he understandswar, both from studying it and
not studying, like, the weapons,you know, the the guns and the
tanks, but studying how war isreally focused on the human

(02:51):
mind.
It is a battle over thenarrative, propaganda, you know,
how to kinda coerce or get awhole population to believe
something, how to pacify anentire population through drugs
or other other mechanisms. Andso today's conversation, we're
gonna go think it's about anhour and a half long. I just
finished recording it. We'rewe're gonna be hitting a wide

(03:15):
range of topics. As you see,Michael is he's he's very
intelligent.

Speaker 2 (03:21):
He has

Speaker 1 (03:21):
a lot of information. And so and again, we go for
about an hour and a half. So ifyou're looking for an interview
that someone's gonna sit downand, know, within a half an hour
complete this kind of fullcircuit and you're like, oh,
okay. That all makes sense. Thisisn't that kind of interview.
This is the kind of interview ofwhen you get an opportunity to
sit down with someone who'sincredibly smart and well
researched and hear them justshare their understanding and

(03:45):
opinion of what's going on inthe world. And it's and I
actually had a lot of fun withthe interview, but it's just
there's a wealth of information.So look at it as almost you have
an opportunity to sit down withthe professor or something
that's explaining these reallydetailed concepts, but you don't
get a simple answer fromMichael. You know, he he can't
tell you you say, hey. Why doesa lead to b?

(04:07):
He doesn't say because itfollows the next line of the
alphabet. He goes into thehistory of the alphabet. Right?
And once he comes back on theother side, you're like, oh, now
I understand why a comes afterb. It's not just because of the
alpha.
There's all this history behindit. Like, that's what Michael
is. He's just an amazing guestto listen to. So what are we
talking about? Psychologicaloperations, war, you know, the
drug war, you know, Zionism,communism, global forces,

(04:32):
ancient bloodlines, and justincredible amount of
information.
So, also, as we are recording,at the, like, hour and a half
mark, some sort of errorhappened with my technology, and
the and the meeting ended, andso I couldn't restart it again.
So anyway, so it's about an hourand a half. It does kinda cut
abruptly, but that's just thenature of our conversation. And,

(04:55):
I wasn't gonna get started backup again. But it's like, you
know, we went for an hour and ahalf, so I think people still
enjoy this, this conversation.
So I hope you enjoy this. Also,if you're watching on Rumble
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Make sure you subscribe if youhaven't subscribed already. And,

(05:18):
anyway, let's just dive intothis really, really fun
conversation with Michael Yan.Michael Yon, it's good to have
you back on the show. It's beena very long time, so I'm excited
to just as we talked aboutbefore recording, take a a sober
look at the state of our worldright now.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
Wow, it's getting more interesting, just as many,
many people predicted, includingyou. I mean, of course, these
things are always the specificsare unpredictable. But in
general terms, it's going as alot of people expected. Economic
issues are mounting, food issuesare mounting over time. I first

(06:01):
started warning about famine in2020, and it's clear that those
conditions continue to accrue.
So many things. China isthreatening now. I'm in Japan.
China is threatening to invadeor to attack, let's say, Japan.
They're already actually talkingabout taking Okinawa, which is
something actually thatPresident Grant warned about in

(06:23):
1879.
He warned about eventual fightbetween China and Japan over
Luchu. Luchu is the old name forRyukyu. Ryukyu, you know,
Okinawa, basically. So the oldname was Luchu. That's what
Grant was calling it in hisletters, which I have all of his
letters, actually.
Or I don't know if I've got allof his letters, but I got 32

(06:45):
books of them. So it's a lot ofthem, right? And he talks about
Japan quite a lot when he's herein Japan, and he's conversing
sometimes by letter with theemperor, and he's warning the
emperor of Japan in 1879 to becautious of foreign players who

(07:07):
will come in and try toinstigate war between Japan and
China over Luchu, actually,Okinawa. And again, China just
threatened Japan over Okinawa.Just did it, like hours ago,
like seventy two hours maybe.
But he warned in 1879 thatforeign powers would come try to

(07:28):
instigate a fight between thetwo, which you don't need
foreign powers to do it now, andthat they would loan money to
China and Japan and end upowning China and Japan. So it's
just a normal war play. It's thenormal Of course, at that time,
as smart as Japanese are, verysmart, but they were still not

(07:50):
as dialed into the globe becausethey had been more isolated for
quite a while. So in 1879, I'mtalking about. So, you know,
that's why President Grant, Ithink, thought he should take
liberty and explain that to theemperor, like, Hey, don't take
the loans, whatever you do.
And, you know, you should doalmost everything. He didn't say

(08:12):
everything within your power,but he said basically almost
everything in your power not togo to war with China. There are
some things you might have to doit for, but at almost all cost,
avoid war with China. You'regoing to end up both being
owned. Now, you see Trump wasjust over here, by the way.
And I said when Trump was here,you know, I've published three

(08:36):
books on the Chinese informationwar against Japan. These are
these are them, actually.They're only in Japanese,
actually. They're not so I mean,unless you read Japanese, don't
it's not like you're gonna comeand buy them and read them. I
wrote these.
These are more than ten yearsold, these three books. Right?
And these are all about theChinese information war in

(08:58):
preparation for war with Japan,right? So I've been all over
China. We're about to go back toTaiwan and Thailand as well.
This is all part of a larger warplan, a larger routes and
resources war that's going on,which includes pretty much the
whole globe at this point,whether it's Panama, where we
spend so much time Netherlands,where we spend so much time. I

(09:21):
was just talking with CatherineAustin Fitz on the phone
yesterday, and we chatted about,you know, she called me up and
we talked for quite a while, andwe talked about, for instance,
Netherlands, and that, you know,I don't know if you know
Catherine Austin Fitz, but shesure is dialed in. You know, she
really pays attention.

Speaker 1 (09:37):
Oh, does. I've been trying to get her on my show for
like, three years now, and she'sshe's been, one of the most
difficult people to not becauseshe's, like, you know, has a
bone to pick with. I think she'sjust busy and not maybe she
doesn't know who I am. But,yeah, I I follow her work
closely. Think she she's she's avery important voice to be to be
paying attention to.

Speaker 2 (09:56):
I'll mention you to her. She is so smart, so squared
away. I mean, and I think shedoes stay quite busy. I mean,
she mentioned some of hertravels, I won't mention them,
but I mean, she's just, she's onit, you know what I mean? And
she's, you know, worth listeningto in the Solari report.
I'm sure you're familiar with itbecause you But, follow you

(10:17):
know, we were talking aboutthese things. Actually, one of
the things she mentioned, Idon't know, a couple months ago,
Katherine Austin Fitz, shementioned something that I've
been saying for a while, too.And you know, I say that because
we're coming from differentperspectives and saying the same
thing. You know, sort of thechildren talk about five year

(10:38):
plans, but these big players,they're talking multi century
plans, right? They're talkingover the horizon.
They're not talking aboutplanting trees that your
children will sit under. They'replanting trees that their
grandchildren's grandchildrenwill sit under, right? We're
talking super strategicthinkers. We're not you know,
World War I, World War II, theseweren't separate wars. These are

(11:01):
part of a lot World War I, WorldWar II, Korean, all these
things, Vietnam, the ones I wasin, Iraq and Afghanistan and
some others, these are notseparate wars.
They are part of a largerprocess war. Now, you have these
little separate wars here andthere that pop up between, you
know, different ethnic groupsfighting over some river
somewhere. But I mean, but onthe larger, on the global scale,

(11:24):
it's the same orb. Now, theplayers change over time and
they morph, but the general,let's say, architecture of the
firmware that's unfolding, it'sall about routes and resources.
You know?
And you can go back as far asyou can go and look at this. Go
ahead, sir.

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Preserve its power. The planningdifferences between the East and
the not necessarily the East andthe West, but I know that I know
China, for instance, they'remuch more long term in their
planning. But I also think thata lot of the enemies that we're
up against, the globalists, thebloodlines, etcetera, they're
not thinking about their life.They're thinking about the life
of their great grandchildren.And I think that's probably one

(13:13):
of the reasons why they're sosuccessful in maintaining
control is because they're notlooking at how to do something
over the next ten years becausethey're so strict with their
lineage.
You know, just like the Chineseemperors were. You know, like,
Cao Cao wasn't working toachieve something for himself.
It was for his children and hisgrandchildren and his, you know,

(13:33):
uniting of or his attempting,you know, to kinda bring China
into a certain way. And I thinkthat's actually one of the big
keys is that we're up againstthese multigenerational. And I
think that some of these familybloodlines that are that we're
up against are, you know, couldbe you could trace them back
over a thousand years plus, andthat's their their scale of

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planning.
Whereas for us, we're lookingat, oh, we got four years with
this president and then fouryears with this president, and
they keep us stuck in this this,like, tug of war that distracts
everybody while we're all justworking into this plan, this
this this massive trap that'sbeen set, and and they're just
watching it all just, okay. Hey.Checking off the boxes. We're

(14:14):
moving right along.

Speaker 2 (14:16):
Right. We're playing the ripples. You know, we're
looking at the ripples on thetop of the sea. They're playing
the ocean currents. You know?
They're It's a totally differentgame when you look at it like
that. They'll get less excitedabout some current event and
more looking at the oceancurrents. And again, these
things go way back. There's manydifferent again, over time, the

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morphology changes. Forinstance, the Chinese Communist
Party has emerged, so you havethese emergent things that come
and go.
But at the end of the day, itends up being family and tribal
and oligarchal structures thatend up being the main energy
sources, right? Even most of thelook at how you see these

(15:00):
dynamic maps that show howborders change. I mean, borders
change like the clouds in thesky. A lot of people that look
at these short term plans, theylook at the Texas Mexican border
or whatever as if that's justset in stone. It's like that's
about as set in stone as thetides.
You know what I mean? I mean,it's not. You only own what you

(15:23):
will and can physically defend.And I mean physically defend,
not in the court of law or anyof that stuff. At the end of the
day, it matters physically whatyou can do.
And the same thing with thecourts. Ultimately, it matters.
Can the court call the sheriffto, you know, to to enforce the
the the the, you know, thegavel? You know? And and and if

(15:47):
and if the if the sheriffdoesn't answer to the gavel,
then then judge doesn't have anypower either.
Right? So, you know, you got thethe law of the gun and the law
of the book. You know? And andultimately, we we again, like
you've mentioned, these familystructures. You know, I found
one old book.
I think it's about 200 or 300years old. What's the name of

(16:07):
the book? But I remember on theopening page, he mentioned Old
Families Last Knot Three Oaks,which is interesting. It's just
like on opening splash page.Good lord, what's the name of
the book?
I love old books, as you cansee. I mean, our whole library
is just room after And it'sinteresting idea because he goes

(16:32):
on to say, you know, basically,every king is was, you know, was
descended from a palper, andevery every and every king will
eventually be one. There is linewill be. They come and go, but
the structures remain. You know,the structures, it's
organizational structure.

(16:52):
And again, these strongstructures, that is almost like
a life form, right? It's almostlike its own life form. It's
these structures. And theresilient structures will carry
on, right? And the non resilientones will fall off like leaves
on a tree in the autumn, right?

(17:12):
You know, some people look likethis is an American thing. Look
at people like Obama or Biden orTrump like, Hey, this guy's he's
just a leaf on a tree. I mean,these guys are nothing. Right? I
mean, they're they're just theyare literally gonna blow through
and blow out the door and beforgotten.
Right? I mean, this theorganizational structures and
these larger things that we'relooking at. Now keep in mind, an

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underlying ocean current isalways routes and resources.
Routes and resources. People arelike stigmergic learning from
ants.
You know, we're going to make acanal through the Panama Canal.
It took hundreds of years to dothat. It didn't take, like,
fourteen years. It tookhundreds. I mean, you know, when
Columbus and others first werebeaten down there in Balboa and

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all that, they always wanted apath between or especially when
Balboa spotted the South Seas,the Pacific.
You know, they always wanted apath between the seas. That's
why the Scottish ended up goingbankrupt, by the way, when they
tried to make the Darien projectin Panama in the 1690s, and they
went bankrupt, and then they gotabsorbed in the Articles of
Union with England into, well,it became Great Britain, right?

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So actually, Scotland succeededin Panama in making a path
between the seas, they may haveabsorbed England, but Scotland
went bankrupt and they gotabsorbed by England, right? So
in 1707, that is why a lot ofScottish don't realize this that
is why Scotland is part of GreatBritain today, was because they
tried to make a path between theseas and Panama. They went

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bankrupt.
They had two different majorexpeditions. They lost about
2,000 people and they gotabsorbed. So these things
happen, you know, constantly.You know, the major globalism
that we look at now, when did itreally start? You know what I
mean?
It started way back, biblicalbefore, right? And I mean, you
look at the Bible and a lot ofthis stuff listen, if it's in

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the Bible, it was already veryold for them to be able to set
down the wisdom. Right? Andpretty much every time you think
you come up with somethingbrilliant, you're like, well,
there it is. That's in the Bibletoo.
Like pandemic, famine and war.All this stuff was already
known, right, way back then. Butlet's fast forward to like 1415.
That's when the Portuguese youknow, this is fast forwarding

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past Genghis Khan and all that.You know, when people were doing
globalism on horseback andcamels and little boats that
went from little, you know,around the Met or something, you
know, it wasn't really the bigtime globalism that we're
looking at today.
And we'll talk about one ofthose architectures. In 1415,
the Portuguese, you know, atthis point, the Spanish and the

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Portuguese had sort of beat backthe Muslims off the Iberian
Peninsula, and they were gettingsome breathing room. And the
Portuguese are like, hey, theytook off and they sailed over to
Ceuta, which is an enclave inMorocco now. And they attacked.
The Portuguese attacked.
They sort of sailed around thecorner through the Strait Of
Gibraltar and attacked. They gota bunch of gold, right? So they

(20:11):
realized, Hey, this is good. Sothat's when Prince Henry the
Navigator and whatnot started tocome of age, the Portuguese
started building better ships,they started learning how to
navigate. They started learninghow to really navigate.
And actually, let me grab aglobe. You're gonna like this, I
think. Hold on. Sorry aboutthat.

Speaker 1 (20:37):
Oh, it's okay. It's it's part of the experience.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:40):
So so they they they got oh, Prince Henry, the
navigator. Oh. That's in myother part of the library. It's
not in this room. I'll say thatPrince Henry got navigator man.
But anyway, so 1415, thePortuguese, they had like a
monopoly. Right? So the Spanish,who were their neighbor on the
Iberian Peninsula, are like,hey, those little Portuguese are

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getting rich. So the Spanish gotinvolved. Next thing you know,
Columbus sells the ocean blue,1492, comes over, bumps into
places like Cuba, thinks hefound Japan.
Didn't quite find it. I'm inJapan now. But, you know, he
found different things. He goesback to the ant bed, and he's
like, hey. You know, it's likewe found India and all this
stuff.
Right? And and then, you know,they start doing other missions,

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and finally, they find, youknow, the Panama area, and
Balboa comes over and all these.So now we're into 1492, '23. So
now we've got the Spanish andthe Portuguese starting to go
head to head. Right?
Now this is important. This iswhen we can see a superstructure
of the architecture actuallyform right now, or actually,

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let's say, exert itself on aglobal scale, which still has
effects today. So Portuguese andthe Spanish were both Catholic,
right? And so the Pope,Alexander VI, they're like,
Uh-oh, my boys, the Portugueseand the Spaniards are going to
go head to head, right? And sohe did the Treaty of

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Tordesillas, right?
And so the Treaty of Tordesillaswas like, you take this half of
the world and you take this halfof the world. So the Spanish
that's why in South America, forinstance, today in Mexico, they
all speak Spanish, but Brazilspeaks Portuguese because that
line went right there. Now theydidn't quite know where Japan

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was yet, but so they so in 1494,the Treaty of Tordesillas, Pope
Alexander the sixth draws thatline. And of course, the
Portuguese were taken slaves,and they speak Portuguese.
That's why you have a lot ofBlacks that speak Portuguese in
Brazil today, right?
It was because of the treatyfrom 1494, Treaty of

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Tordesillas. So thesuperstructure at that time was
the Catholic Church, right? Andso now, as time goes on, the
Spanish and the Sorry, theexposure keeps changing. But as
they start to be able to dobetter maps by the way, in
fourteen ninety ish, nobodyknows when this globe was

(23:07):
actually made. Well, is a modelof it.
This one might be a couple 100years old, but this one's glass
actually. This is the Eyre deAtfel globe, right? But the
original was from about 1490,1494. Nobody really knows
exactly, but in that time frame.So this is the oldest known
existing globe, or this is alater rendition of it.

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And there's no North Or SouthAmerica on this globe. So this
was the high technology map ofthat time. Now, people argue and
say, that's not true. We had allkinds of maps and whatever.
Okay, produce them, whatever.
So but anyway, maybe they were,maybe they weren't. I don't
know. You know, everybody willargue, no, there was people
here. Okay, whatever, man. Soproduce the stuff.
But we do know that this exists,right? This is called the erd

(23:50):
apple, and the erd erd meansearth in German, right? And
apple means apple, right? So theearth apple, but in Southern
Germany and Austria andSwitzerland, erd apple actually
means potato. Anyway, so this isthe potato globe, and some
people are like, well, thiscan't be true because potatoes
weren't actually introduced intoEurope yet because they got

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those from The Americas.
Anyway, whatever. I get it. Butand I I could talk about that
all day about the AeronauticalGlobe. But this was the
high-tech map of the time.Right?
And, you know, keep in mind,they were getting better at
navigation, better at clocks,which you need for navigation.
They were getting better at, youknow, all kinds of, you know,
celestial navigation and themathematics involved and all

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these, better at map making. Sonow let's fast forward about
thirty years or so after theTreaty of Tordesillas in 1494,
where Pope Alexander the sixthdivided the world into two
parts. Portugal, stay on yourside of the ring. Spain, stay on
your side of the ring, and don'tmess with other Catholic
territories that I've put offlimits.

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And part of my blessing as thePope is you must bring
missionaries with you. Ofcourse, the Jesuits will soon be
born and that sort of thing,right? You see how it's starting
to emerge. This is emergent,right? And so now we have
another Treaty of Saragossaabout thirty years later,
because now they're starting togo that's when Japan got drawn

(25:14):
in, right?
Because they started mapping outthe world more and they're like,
'hey, we got the original treatyis not quite doing it for us.'
So that's again, that's whereJapan, where I'm at now, got
drawn in with that next treaty.And that's why the Portuguese
ended up being here in Japantrying to basically invade the
place. You know, the Portuguesehad their run of they could run

(25:37):
all over a lot of people. Whenthey came here, they got chopped
up on the beach. You know what Imean?
And it just didn't work out aswell. And actually, the Japanese
started calling them nonban,which means southern barbarians,
you know, because they came overand they're trying to you know,
they try to do the oldinquisition thing here that they
could do over in Goa and otherplaces, right? They were burning
people alive in Lisbon, youknow, in Spain and whatnot as

(25:57):
well, but they tried that hereand they're like, you know,
you'll get killed here. And sothat went on and on. Of course,
the Jesuits were formed, Xaviercame here, well, at least into
Nagasaki in about 1549, if mymemory is accurate, right?
So you can see this is emergent,right? So now you got the
Spanish and you got thePortuguese that are starting to

(26:19):
get some gold and silver stackedup. And meanwhile, down there in
Panama and other places, they'retrying to make a path between so
they're starting with theAmericas, you know, St.
Augustine over in Florida andall these stuff. You know, all
these different places, it'sglobal, right?
The African colonies. So they'resetting up companies and doing
these sorts of things. And nowyou get the other players start

(26:42):
getting involved, like, youknow, the Dutch and the English
and the French. Everybody'slike, Hey, those Southern
barbarians are getting richwhile we're up here much smarter
than they are, and we're poor.Right?
And that's where the Spanishactually start making errors as
well. They're starting to getreally rich, and they got lots
of gold and silver, and theystart, like, outsourcing their

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manufacturing of their ships topeople like, you know, the
Dutch. You know what I mean?Which is not going to play well
when you go to war with thepeople who make your stuff.
Who's doing that today?
So and also, you had the youknow, when they're starting to
buy ships and stuff from theirenemies, you you can't make up
the stuff. It's so simple. It'slike basic stupidity 101, right?

(27:24):
Like, hey, we got lots of gold.We don't have to work anymore.
Let's get it all manufactured bythose weak Dutch people and the
English, right? Yeah. Next thingyou know, the English got the
biggest navy in the world. Andso, you know, and then when you
go to war with Spain orwhomever, you know, can keep
making ships while every ship ofyours that they sink or capture,
you can't replace it, right? Andso, you know, it's one of those

(27:47):
sorts of wars.
It's just a basic error. And soanyway, you see, Spain ended up
for a spell being the biggestempire in the world. They sort
of came and went, and thenfinally the final death nail on
that was the Spanish Americanwar. So that wasn't even that
long ago. But anyway, so you seeall these things come and go.
You look at the British Empirefinally just grows. You know,

(28:08):
we're fast forwarding hundredsof years here. The British
Empire grows like crazy. And,you know, before the Suez Canal
opened, the British Empire, youknow, East India Company, the
Dutch, of course, were doing bigbusiness over here in the and as
were the the British andwhatnot. But there were some
English that did not want thethe Suez Canal.

(28:30):
They didn't want a Suez Canal.Like, if we open a Suez Canal, I
mean, yeah, we'll make a lot ofmoney in the short term, but
that'll be our spinal cord.Right? That'll be because the
French and everybody else canuse it too. Right?
The Dutch, it's not not likewe're the only ones that can use
it, and Egypt will end up takingit. So some of the English were
warning. Right? I don't know ifany of the Scottish were warning
too. They probably were becausethey're pretty smart.

(28:51):
But I mean but the but they, youknow, they were they were they
were warning. And then butothers were like, nope. We're
gonna do the Suez Canal. TheFrench, of course, finished it
off. And 1869, the Suez Canalopens, right?
And so Suez Canal started tobecome known as the spinal cord
of the British Empire. I mean,it's making them stronger.

(29:11):
There's no question about it.But it's also, you cut that bad
boy, and it's game on. Andactually, the Egyptians did take
it, and they have it today.
But that's actually how Israelended up being formed, right?
Israel wasn't formed as a placeas as a as a homeland for Jews.

(29:33):
That's a psyop. That's a totalpsyop. Just like how we got
Indians on reservations or mylineage, Scott Irish.
I I mean, that's why you have somany Scott Irish today thinking
they're part Cherokee. You know,it's just you know, they did the
Dawes rolls and all these thingsfor, you know, for those who
know what I'm talking about, theDawes Act and the Dawes rolls.
You know, if you could provethat you're Cherokee, you could

(29:55):
get a bunch of land, 165 acres.Right? If you proved that you
lived on the reservation andintended to stay and you're at a
farm and that sort of thing,basically, are a civilized
Cherokee.
You know, in other words, itmeans you're a taxed Cherokee
actually and living on thereservation. That's what it
actually meant. Keep in mind,that's the 1880s, '90s, early

(30:15):
1900s. I've got the Dawes Rollsright here. The Dawes Rolls are
the actual rolls.
If your name is on there, I'vegot the original, I mean, the
original book. And if your nameis in there, know, you could get
a bunch of land. So suddenlyScots Irish like me are like,
Hey, I'm Cherokee. That's whyyou have a lot of Scots Irish
today say, I'm part Cherokee. Iwas told I'm part Cherokee.

(30:35):
Later I became a researcher andI'm like, Unfortunately, I'm
not. But anyway but, you know,that's why you'll have some of
them say I'm Choctaw or Creek oror you know but they they but,
you know, the five civilizedtribes. And and and but what it
really meant was the five taxtribes. Right? And not the five
when they say five civilized,they're actually saying

(30:58):
Christian.
But in reality, it's taxed. Imean, I've got the 1890 census
in the other in the otherlibrary room, but the 1890
census is explicit. Taxed anduntaxed Indians, right? And that
was all happening at the timesof the Dawes Act when they're
getting ready to do the Dawesrules and all these things.
That's what we did with Israel,right?

(31:20):
With Israel, the British weredoing it. You know, Theodore
Herzl and his books and all thatin 1897. You know, he's coming
up with the idea the idea ofZionism, you know, going or that
form of Zionism of going and andand and making a homeland for
the Jews. But what it wasbecause there was others who
were like, why don't we go toArgentina? There's a lot of Jews
live down there today.
They're like, we can go downthere and live in peace and have

(31:42):
our homeland. I'm like, no. No.No. You gotta go there.
Well, why do they push themthere? Well, you're definitely
gonna have war. Because of SuezCanal. You know, just like the
the the Scots Irish were formed

Speaker 1 (31:52):
Routes and resources.

Speaker 2 (31:54):
Routes and resources. The the Scots Irish, my lineage,
was even the whole culture ofScots Irish was formed by taking
Scottish to be borderland peopleagainst the Irish, and they
intermarried with them andwhatnot, and they became the
Scots Irish, which is a totallydifferent species of dog. Right?
And they fight. They like womenthat can shoot guns and hunt

(32:15):
bears and stuff.
Right? So, I mean, like,literally me. You know? And so,
you know, we don't

Speaker 1 (32:20):
have use That's mostly my my lineage too with
with some German mixed in.Basically, that that's what they
meant.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
Any use for a weak woman? Do you have any use at
all for a weak woman? You know,some of these liberal women I've
sat with at times and, you know,just a couple years ago, I was
at a table with my wife, Masako,and I I said, you know, ever
since I was a kid, I've had nouse for weak women. If you can't
shoot a gun, what use what valueare you? You know?
And they're, like, shocked. Howcan a man say that? I'm like,

(32:47):
you're weak. You know what Imean? You gotta defend that
window, and I gotta defend thisdoor.
Right? You know what I mean?We're a team, like a gun team.
Right? You know?
We're out here against grizzlybears and stuff. You know?
Indians. You know? It's likeit's like you know?
Or Irish. You know? Whatever.Right? And Born Fighting, as

(33:07):
that book goes, it's a greatbook.
And Born Fighting, about thisabout the formation of the Scots
Irish. Right? And it's talkingabout that, how we and even
today, when I was reading thatbook, I'm like, he's right. No
wonder I love strong women somuch. I just have no use for a
weak woman.
It's like, you know, it's like,you know, and you gotta be able

(33:28):
to throw some lead, shoot arrowsand stuff. But anyway, that's
how Israel ended up being formedas well. It was like, you know,
they needed borderland people togo get to take control of the
Suez Canal. So British wereworking with Theodore Herzl and
all those. Look, you see thisright here?
In 1899, I bought this in anantique store in Panama City,

(33:54):
Panama, right? Near the canal.It's actually a Jewish guy that
owns it. This is a financialinstrument that was sold for the
Jewish Colonial Trust, YudhashekColonial Bank, right? This is
for taking Palestine.
This is 1899, Right? So this istheir debt. You know, this was

(34:17):
done in the same way, like,Virginia company, the East India
company, or the Scottish companythat was gonna make the path
between the seas. By the way,Theodore Herzl's name is on
here. Theodore Herzl is rightthere.
He's the he's the top not youcan't read it, but you can find
this online. You can you can youcould buy this is an original
right here. I had it I had itmounted. I found it in the

(34:37):
antique store. I'm like, is thatwhat I think it is?
How much for that thing? And Igot it, right? And and And so
what I'm getting to is the waythat it was done with Israel,
get a bunch of private money andgovernment money and go over
there and get a bunch of peopleto come in and make a colony.

(34:58):
That's how my family ended upcoming over to Jamestown. They
got there and they took off in1609.
They got shipwrecked on Bermuda,and they were on a on a they
were on a ship called the SeaVenture. There's books about
this. You know, Shakespeare dida play about it, The Tempest,
right? So they end up on theshipwrecked on Bermuda in 1609.

(35:19):
Where were they going?
Virginia Company. They weregoing to Virginia Virginia
Company, right? All thesecompanies, whether it's the East
India Company, the Dutch EastIndia Company, So many of these
companies for Panama, Africa,and they're still doing them
like the Dutch East IndiaCompany of today or the British
would be like, you know,BlackRock or Vanguard or
something. You know what I mean?They're the same thing, right?

(35:41):
And it's just a different it's amore recent iteration. But so
they end up being extremelypowerful companies. But the but
my family was going over withthe Virginia company. They get
shipwrecked for ten months. Theymade new ships.
They ended up in Jamestown,ended up doing the first
Powhatan Anglo Powhatan War,which is the first war with
English with Indians. Thethere's the Anglo Powhatan War.

(36:03):
Right? And and interestingly, in1853, one of the ships that
Commodore Perry came over with,the black ships, one of them was
named the Palatine,interestingly enough. Anyway,
side note.
But Commodore Perry is the onethat opened up Japan for The
United States, right? So withgunboat diplomacy in 1853 and

(36:23):
'fifty four. And so, in fact,I've got his original reports to
Congress right here. They'reunbelievable. Three there are
actually four books, one maps.
And so the the these companies,they they do this. So that's
what they did with this. Theythey started the old company
like normal. You know? They youknow?
And finally, you know, TheUnited States gets involved

(36:45):
later and Israel is formed. Ithas zero to do with the homeland
for the Jews, and the whole SIOPwith the, you know, getting
Christian Zionists on board isall part of the larger
architecture of the informationgame because of the seven major
maritime chokepoints in theworld. At that point, Suez by

(37:06):
far was the most important. ThePanama Canal opened in 1914.
Right?
The pano so you've got PanamaCanal, which is right now,
you've got Zionist and Chinafighting over the Panama Canal.
Right up. Now a lot of peoplethink it's The US and anyway.
And but, you know, The US isinvolved, of course. Anyway, I
could go into that for hours.
I spend a lot of time in Panama.But the but the, you know, the

(37:28):
seven major choke points arePanama Canal, Suez, of course,
Strait Of Gibraltar, TurkishStraits, Bab Al Mandeb, the
Strait Of Hormuz, Strait OfMalacca, Danish Straits, and, of
course, going around Africa. Butbut the but you you look in that
area where Israel is. It's agiant aircraft carrier. Right?

(37:48):
And and and the people that arethere are there because of
routes and resources. Firstly,the Suez Canal, which they wanna
make the greater Israel and takeit from Egypt, of course. Now in
more recent times, there'senergy found off of Gaza and the
Indo European Corridor and thepotential Ben Gurion Canal, that
sort of thing. So you've got sobut that you can control the

(38:11):
med. You know what I mean?
You can control the med fromthere. You can end up if you can
take look. I was in two of thewars over there. Air Afghanistan
and Iraq. They both border Iran,by the way.
They both border Iran. Not acoincidence. Right? One of the
old forms of warfare is toinvade some country, raise up an
army there, or say Indiantribes. You go fight some

(38:34):
Indians, beat them, and thenraise up an army from the
Indians you just beat, and thenkill the next Indians.
Right? This is old this is oneof the oldest forms of war. It
it didn't start in America. Imean, this stuff, the Romans
were doing it. I don't even knowwhere it started.
I can't find the beginning ofit. And and so that and
actually, the Spanish had thatidea with with Japan. They
thought they would come toJapan, beat the Japanese, raise

(38:57):
up an army and beat the Spanishand then they're like, it ain't
gonna work with the Japanesebecause they're like murder
hornets, know. The Japanese willfight you on the beach, right,
know, and you're not gonna comeand get a toehold. And so and
and so it just didn't work.
And so but what I'm getting tois is these companies are still

(39:17):
in place. They're just they havedifferent names, but they are
like a different tree that, youknow, they're they've grown out
of the same soil. And andthey're big companies now like
BlackRock or whatever. Butagain, Israel today is all about
the Israelis there. They maythink that there's some special
and everybody's guarding them,and nobody cares about the

(39:38):
Israelis.
They're being flooded with drugslike everybody else.

Speaker 1 (39:42):
Were Vaccines and exactly.

Speaker 2 (39:44):
They were they're being genocided like every
they're useful idiots. Right?Now they don't like to be taught
told that because they've beenthey've been pumped up like,
you're the smartest people inthe world. You're god's chosen.
Yeah.
Because we need you to go intothe breach. Fight those people.
Take that land for us. Right? Isay us, not me, but, you know,
for the big globalist.

(40:05):
Right? We need the Suez Canal.That's where the globalist they
need the Bob Omandeb. They wannatake control of that area.
Right?
They're right there on the med.I mean so I mean, this this is
this is this is big time. Thisthis has nothing to do with the
Jewish home or the the homelandfor the Jews or any of that

(40:25):
stuff. It's all about routes andresources. That's why you're
gonna end up seeing war inPanama.
You're gonna end up seeing warhere in, you know, in 1879,
President Grant was warningagain. He was warning Japan, and
he was warning China about, youknow, outside influences will
get you to fight over Luchu,which is Okinawa. Right? Because
that is how you can controlChina is with Taiwan and Luchu.

(40:48):
The the reason that China wantsTaiwan and Luchu, which is
Okinawa, you know, the islandchains, is because that's you
can cut off China with that, orChina can cut off Japan with
that.
And if China takes it, whichthey fully plan to do, then they
can just leap on up there. Theygot a huge information war going
in Hawaii right now. Right?There's an information war also

(41:08):
going in Alaska now, which mostAmericans don't realize. There's
information wars all over Canadaright now and The United States.
Look, Chinese have huge, notjust Chinese, Russians are doing
it too, Zions are doing it.There's different oligarchal
structures that are doing it,right? And so you have these
different oligarchal structuresthat for instance in Okinawa,

(41:31):
they're trying to persuade, youknow, my wife Masako is from
Okinawa. They're trying topersuade her that she's
indigenous people, right? And sothat the Okinawans are not
really Japanese.
They're trying to persuade themthat they're Chinese, right? And
it's worked with some of theOkinawans, but most it has not.
Absolutely most are like, uh-uh,we're Japanese. We're full
Japanese, and we're not Chinese.But you know, it's work.

(41:54):
They've got actually thoseprotests in front of our bases,
Japanese that are there, theydon't even speak with Okinawan
dialects. I mean, they'reshipped in, right? I mean, this
is a lot of it's just kayfabe. Alot of it's just show. But what
I'm getting to is theseinformation wars are intense,
like the the information warswith the Indians in up in

(42:14):
Yellowknife as an example, andor let's say in the more
northern route, even north ofthat.
I mean, those are all about,hey, the Indians have to have
their you know, the Inuitpeople, they have to have their
they have to have their ownhomeland. Well, of course,
that's what we would do too. Youhave to have your homeland so we
can take it from you. Yeah.They're trying to do the same
now in the Indian Ocean withDiego Garcia.
They're like, Diego Garciabelongs to Mauritius. Well, how

(42:38):
would that happen? You know,that's a British, you know,
territory now, but The UnitedStates has a strategic base
there, Diego Garcia. China wantsto take Diego Garcia and give it
to Mauritius so China can takeit from Mauritius. They're using
The United Nations to say, no.
Diego Garcia is part ofMauritius. And so

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Speaker 2 (44:01):
You know, give it to Mauritius, and then China's
like, we got Diego Garcia. Thisis the old game. It's it's
simple. It's just the game of Gofor China. You know, Americans
are playing chess, the ones whoknow how to play chess.
And, you know, and China'splaying Go, you know, which is a
totally different way of lookingat the world. You know, they
look at the world in a verydifferent way. The Chinese
become you. Right? They don'tone of their ways of defeating

(44:24):
enemies is just to that's partlyhow we beat the Indians.
The biggest weapon we used wasintoxicants, fire water, right?
We also used death traps. Weused muskets. We used rifles. We
used all that stuff.
We cut off their food suppliesat times, you know, killing
buffalo or whatever. Right? Wedid it took it was a process

(44:46):
war. It wasn't like there was,you know, 10 Indian wars and it
was over. It was so many Indianwars, nobody even know all these
books right here, this is allabout how we beat the Indians.
All of them. Several shelves ofthese. Right? I mean, I spend so
much time in these books. I'mlike, hey.
This is the exact same stuffthat's going on in Darien Gap
right now with the Kuna Indiansand the Wenon Indians and Imbro.

(45:07):
Like, taking a very detailedcensus like we did with the
Indians in eighteen ninth. Wedid a lot of census on that.

Speaker 1 (45:13):
So I wonder

Speaker 2 (45:13):
But, I mean, it's the same stuff going on now.

Speaker 1 (45:15):
Sure. You're yeah. So there's a there's a lot to hone
in on. But one thing I I wannalook at with you here is is just
the bigger picture. Like, Iwanna look at the the bigger
picture of what's happening inthe world and then also where
America is at as a country.
Because I feel like America iskind of in that, you know, to be
honest, more of the end ofempire stage. Right? And I wanna

(45:36):
touch on that. But before wejump into that, I wanna I wanna
I wanna talk about the you youmentioned the the the Chinese
and the Zionists. Right?
And it's funny because as I'vetried to piece together in my
own understanding, okay, whatare the players? It's easy to
say, okay, well, it's The USversus China. It's like, no.
It's too simple. Like, yeah,okay.
Look at the bigger powerstructures because not just we

(45:58):
don't live in a world of allthese separate 100 plus
countries. We live in a world ofof controlled zones by bigger,
bigger entities that are, Ithink, battling for global
control. And I think even thesebigger entities are still being
controlled to kinda create thethe the kind of the left versus
right at a global scale. But Icame I and I kinda boiled down
this idea that, you know, mywife and I, as we talk about, we

(46:20):
call it the chaicoms and thezaicoms. Right?
That these are the two kind ofbigger forces. It's the you
know, you could say it's the theCCP, but it's much bigger than
that. Right? It's it's the CCP,the bricks, you know, that kind
of you know, the the chai coms,might you know, say. But then
you also have the zikoms.
Now everyone is very, veryfocused on Israel. Right? I

(46:40):
think they're they're way morefocused on Israel than China,
which I don't think is goodbecause I think they're both, in
many ways, enemies. And theyboth also have some benefits to
them. But I think also, as youmentioned, they they both wanna
see America fall.
They want control over America.America's a very key country.

Speaker 2 (46:54):
Wanna genocide you and me. They both wanna genocide
you and me. I mean, it's notlike, hey. We should stand with
the Zionists against China. Hey.
The Zionists pushed the deathjab. I mean,

Speaker 1 (47:03):
straight down. I you know, Netanyahu has the vaccine

Speaker 2 (47:07):
there to say.

Speaker 1 (47:07):
In his office. And and so that's a and, also, I
mean, I think also that peoplethat just they just say, oh,
it's Israel or, oh, it's theJews. I think that they're
they're looking at too low of alevel. It's like, no. You're
you're you look above that.
Those are just those are justkind of straw men they put out
there for you to hate that onething and not be able to focus
on them. Think that there'spower structures much higher
than that. But when you say theZaikoms, I think that that's

(47:28):
what we're seeing though is thatwe're seeing in America, you
know, you have certainpresidents that are controlled
more by the Chinese and certainpresidents that are controlled
more by Israel. But I also thinkthat Israel is just it's not
like Israel is a small countrycontrols. I think Israel is just
a a conduit for the globalist tohave control.
It's not like that we're beingcontrolled by Israel. It's like,

(47:48):
no. Israel is being used byglobalist power structures as a
mechanism through Mossad andblackmail operations and and,
you know, funding and whateveras a mechanism to control the
country and to controlpresidents and control our
politicians. But so what do youkinda what are your thoughts on
just, like, that overall bigpicture of these kind of

(48:10):
opposing forces that are thatare battling out?

Speaker 2 (48:13):
Clearly. And the Zionists, they're not Jews.
Right? Some are. Most of theZionists appear to be Christian
Zionists, actually.
And, I mean, on the pie chart.And so, you know, and and and
many actually are Muslims. ManyZionists are actually Muslims,
like a lot of Kurds areZionists. I spend a lot of time
with Kurds. And a lot ofZionists are atheists, right?

(48:34):
And a lot of Zionists are Jews.But actually, a lot of the
Zionists and the Jews kill eachother like crazy. Actually,
nobody kills Jews more thanother Jews. Nobody kills Muslims
more than other Muslims, andChristians kill Christians like
crazy too. I mean, and Hindus dothe same.
You know, Shiites versusVishnites with the Hindus.
Right? I mean, it's likeeverywhere I go in the world,

(48:56):
whatever that in group is, theykill each other. Right? Not as
much with Japanese, actually,but but but as a general as a
general rule of thumb.
But the but the But when itcomes to the Zionist, I call it
Zionfest Destiny and ChinafestDestiny. Know, had Manifest
Destiny, right? I got the bigbeautiful painting in the other

(49:16):
room. I had it blown up,actually. And it's from 1872.
It's called American Progress,right? And because, you know,
that just so encapsulates, youknow, everything. But it's clear
that Zionists again, that's andkeep in mind, some of my best
battle buddies, closest, thattwo of whom I've been

(49:39):
communicating with this morningare Jewish, like, straight up.
Like, very serious Jewish,right? They're not they're not
like, you know, I'm from aJewish lineage.
I mean, they're like, you know,taking the holidays and stuff,
right? I can't talk to them ontheir holidays and all that.
They're my best battle buddies.You know what I mean? And so, I
mean, so it's and they freakinghate Zionists, you know?

(50:00):
And and but but again, a lot ofthe Zionists, weirdly, are also
allies because remember,Zionists have different groups
as well. Zionists fight eachother. Zionists have a lot of
infighting as well. I don't evenknow how we're trying to map
them out. Like, who's who in theZionist zoo?
It's like mapping out who's whoin the Chinese zoo. And who's

(50:22):
who in the Republicans, which isI don't know what the heck that
is. Or the Democrats. What isthat anyway? You know what I
mean?
It's like it's just some name.But, you know but the but so
it's not like the Chinese aremonolithic. You know, there's
different groups that fight eachand same with the Russians, of
course. This is the way humansare. It's, you know, and it's
and so you see what's happeningis the same old morphology of

(50:47):
fighting is unfolding.
The names change. Right now, TheUnited States clearly is one of
the main weapons used against usis what we used against the
Indians. It's intoxicants. Weused mostly fire water, but
against us have been used firewater, of course. And also, even
in the 1800s, cocaine was heavyin The United States.

(51:10):
Cannabis was heavy in The UnitedStates. You wouldn't believe my
library on this. It's in theother part of the library. Pull
out books and put them in frontof you. Some of them are
amazing.
The Opium Problems in The UnitedStates in the 1800s, right? And
anyway, not to go into that, butright now the primary WMD
against The United States,obviously, is psychological

(51:32):
operations. And the rocket fueland the grease for that both are
intoxicants, and they alwayshave been. This is zero new,
right? The dope heads are alwayslike, you don't understand
anything about dope, man.
I get that all the time. It'sabout my freedom, man. They
always say it with it's about myfreedom. It's like, you're your
chemical slave, slave. Slave,don't talk to me about freedom.

(51:53):
You know what I mean? Get out ofhere, slave. One told me that
last night. Another slave.Right?
I'm like, you're a dope head.You think I'm gonna argue with a
dope head? I mean, that's likearguing with a bottle of
whiskey. I'm gonna argue with ajoint. Let me show you these
things, man.
They're they're look at these. Ibought Masako and I, we bought
this in a dope store in Bangkok.That's a bong. That's a bong.

(52:16):
You smoke out of its head.
And we bought this one in Kyoto.Cannabis isn't legal in Japan
yet, but they're working on it.These are They're trying to
addict the children. These arebongs. Smoke out of their heads.
I mean, you can't make up thisstuff. You know, and they're
always talking about, you know,no, I got my freedom, man. You
don't have any freedom. You're aslave. You're a chemical slave.

(52:38):
And you know what? PresidentGrant was talking about this in
1879 and 'seventy eight. He'stalking about that in both years
in his letters, right? He'stalking about this addiction is
worse than slavery, right? And,you know, he was very anti
slavery, right?
I mean, he was a general in theCivil War. I mean, he was
fighting again. I mean, he wassuper anti slavery. But he's

(52:59):
like, Drugs are even worse thanthat, right? I mean, because
you're just like, you're acomplete slave.
And and that's what they want toget with these intoxicants,
whether it's alcohol. It doesn'tmatter. Some of them are
prescribed now, of course. Theyget you out of your executive
functioning from the front partof your brain. Apparently,

(53:19):
that's where they say it's at.
I don't know. And, you know,they want us out of our
executive thinking and into ouremotional world, into our, you
know, basically so that we haveno free will, to take away our
free will. And that's why one ofthe things that Christian
missionaries all around theworld, they pop up and I got so

(53:40):
many books on Christianmissionaries, it's unbelievable.
But they pop up all over theplace in other books too. Like,
here's the missionaries again.
The missionaries are alwaysstanding against opium, alcohol,
like the Spanish were poisoningIndians in Guatemala with the
alcohol. The Catholics werelike, no. Right? And
Protestants, no. Right?
The the Catholics and theProtestants have been although

(54:03):
Catholics can go to the bottletoo. But they have been standing
up against poisoning Indians andIndigenous people. I haven't
seen an exception. I've neverseen an exception where they're
like, hey, no, it's okay to goahead and smoke some dope now
and then. You know, it's like,no.
They're like, that'll be a fullstop. Not gonna meet you

(54:24):
halfway. You know, you'redestroying and the Chinese, they
always play the victim. Youknow, the Chinese one of the
things in psychologicaloperations is to implant
supplied answers into people'sminds. Like Masako and I, we
have a game.
When one of us gives a suppliedanswer unconsciously and it
comes out of our mouth, we'relike, Stop. That was a supplied
answer. Write it down. Study.Where'd this thing come from?

(54:46):
Right? Because we're trying tofind out, you know, find the
firmware that's embedded in usso that we can scrub that stuff
out, right? And one implantedsupplied answer is, you know,
it's about my freedom. You know,the dope pads are always like,
it's about my freedom. Why doyou want it's just the weed,
man.
It's just grass. First of all,it's not, right? It's just not

(55:08):
that. What about alcohol, man?They always say that, right?
That too. Didn't I just sayalcohol too? And they'll forget
that. Like, three minutes later,they'll be like, what about
alcohol? And I'll be like,didn't we just discuss that five
minutes ago?
Can you remember anything? Look.Why am I even discussing with a
dope head? Right? I mean, youare already captured.
Right? You're already captured.Right? I mean, you are what I'm

(55:30):
talking about. Right?
You don't see it. You areexactly what I'm talking about.
You're a fool. You are a doper.Joe Rogan is in front of
millions of young people.
Him and Elon, the drug headMusk, are on, you know, on their
show smoking dope. And andpeople are like, yeah. But look
at all the great guests theygot. That's a supplied answer.

(55:52):
You know how many times when Ibring this up, people go, yeah,
but Joe Rogan has great guests.
Now I've heard that so manytimes. That's the supplied
answer. Right? I'm like, okay.So here it is.
We got this big smorgasbord offood, all these great guests.
Welcome to my table, great guestfood. And so all this great
guests, all this great food, andthis part's got a little drop of

(56:14):
poison in it. Right? You knowwhat I mean?
It's like, you know and it's nowfor a break from our for our
sponsor, let's smoke dope, Elon.Let's talk about mushrooms.
Right? You know? It's like,let's talk about this.
Let's talk about that. I meanand then they, you know, of
course, they get millions ofpeople in. I've had so many
overtures to go on Joe Roganshow. I'm probably the only one

(56:38):
who's turned it down repeatedlyand publicly. I was on live
with, Alex Jones.
Now he's like, you know, he'swe're we're best friends. We've
been friends for twenty sixyears. I can probably get you on
the Joe Rogan show. You can findthis online. I'm like, I'm not
going on Joe Rogan show.
He's a notepad. You know what Imean? Why would I go on Joe
Rogan show? Alex is just sittingthere going, yeah, I think he

(56:58):
doesn't go silent much. But, Imean, I'm just like, I am you
have to draw a line.
Right? And like those oldmission I'm not a missionary.
I'm not bible thumping, but I'mlike them, man. You gotta draw a
line at some point, and thatthat's a no cross line. Not
gonna meet you halfway.
Yeah. You can smoke dope halfthe time and be drunk in the
morning, but not in theafternoon. You know? So, you

(57:20):
know, look. Somebody just sentme an article today about some
pilot.
Alaska Air apparently was onsome kind of mushrooms or
something and tried to turn theairplane off while they were
flying. Did you see that? Imean, apparently, just, you
know, you didn't go to prisonfor it. They're like, oh, poor
baby. You know what I mean?
Poor baby. You should be hanged.You know, it's like, you know, I

(57:40):
mean, you know, yeah, peoplethey give they they, you know,
that's another thing. The youknow what I'm saying? I can't
use the word right.
My my my mouth is not formingthe words. The infantilization
of man, you know, it's like,he's 30 years old. He's still
young. 30 years old. Are youkidding?
Know, it's like 30. Listen. WhenI was 19, I was a green beret.

(58:02):
If you called me a boy, we'd bein a fight. You know what I
mean?
It's like, you know what I mean?No. I wouldn't actually fight
you for that, but you know whatI'm you know what I'm saying?
You know, it's like and it'slike, what do you mean 30 years
old to boy? When I was 20, I waswhen I by the time I was 21 as a
Green Beret, we were trainingconstantly to parachute into

(58:23):
Poland to attack Soviets comingacross the border.
Right? Across a place called Idid three years of training to
kamikaze into into the backwoodsof Poland. Not that there's any
woods near Bialystok, but thebut, you know, we were gonna
parachute over there to to to todo all kinds of mayhem on them.
Right? You think I'm a boy?

(58:44):
No. I'm a straight up warrior.Right? And this is what I I got
out of I got out of the army andI went to school, and I'm like,
these people act like children.You know?
We're about basically the sameage, and they're acting like
like literally like children.And, you know, of course, I'd
just done five years in the armyand four of that as a Green
Beret and done all kinds ofstuff. You know? And and so it

(59:06):
looked very differently to me.But that's another part of the
SIOP is to give people a breakfor everything.
I remember two navy ships raninto each other off the coast of
Florida. Wasn't it a submarineand a destroyer or something? I
don't remember. It was twoAmerican warships. Right?
And somehow they ran into eachother. And I said I was with a

(59:27):
family member in Florida. Isaid, well, either one or both
of those captains is gonna befired for sure. You know what I
mean? And my family member'slike, oh, you know, it was like,
why are you so hard on him?
I'm like, if a US Navy ship raninto another US Navy ship,
either one or both of those guysneed to be fired unless they can

(59:48):
prove, like, their ship gothijacked or both of them lost
steering magically at the sametime or something. You know? If
they had steering and they hadyou know what I mean? And then
they weren't, like, you know,you know, basically taken over
by aliens. Yeah, either one orboth of them should be fired.
Like, the question is, is itgoing to be one of you or both

(01:00:08):
of you? Unless, first of all,provide me with evidence. Did
something go wrong with yourship? Is there any extenuating
circumstance? Because, you know,their due court justice has to
be in full, you have todefinitely hear their side of
the story because it it could beactually something like that
really.
You know, if anythingstatistically can happen, it
will. They may have both loststeering. You know? But, you

(01:00:29):
know, but, again, there's toomuch giving people a break like
like this Alaskan air pilottrying to turn off his airplane
when he's on mushrooms, and yousee people defending him like
poor baby. He again, it's likeit's time to man up.
You know what I mean? Like,you're responsible for your
family. I'm responsible for myfamily. Right? We're responsible

(01:00:51):
for our selves, our family, ourcommunity.
Like, we're responsible forlike, the other day, there was
here in Japan, there was a big,you know, announcement over the
loudspeaker that some nine yearold boy was missing. It was over
the public announcement. Right?So my wife, Masako, called the
police like, where is he missingat? What's going on?

(01:01:11):
I mean, she's a big she got bigaudience here in Japan. You know
what I mean? She can she canrouse up an army to go look for
him. You know what I mean? Imean, we heard it on the
loudspeaker, right?
We have to be the boy was found.But I mean, but the point is, is
like we have to takeresponsibility. If something
happens in our area, it's likeall hands on deck. I mean, if
it's 8,000 miles away, there'snot probably much I can do about

(01:01:34):
it. But if it's right here and aboy went missing, okay, work is
done for the day.
Where's this boy? I mean, youknow what I mean? If they're
saying it over the loudspeakerhere, let's go for a walk. You
know, let's do our part. And andanyway, we have to look at the
world like that.
Things that we can affect, jumpon it. And then when you're
done, go back to work and, youknow, forget about it. So, I

(01:01:55):
mean but we have to look at theworld like that, not in the
world that we've been taught tobe little children until you're
80 years old. The state has totake you know who talks like
slaves all the time? A lot ofthe British.
I love British. I did a lot ofcombat with them and whatnot,
and they have some greatsoldiers. But they've been
taught as a as a country, as apeople, to be subservient and

(01:02:20):
slave like, about always alwaysasking permission, permission
for this, permission from that.You know, Masako and I, we were
at maybe a month ago or so. Wewere at a protest.
We went to several protests inone day. It was an anti invasion
protest. And we're at one. Thisguy from Wales shows up. He's
probably in his sixties or so,he's clearly drunk.

(01:02:41):
I can smell the alcohol. And I'mtalking with him. I'm like, oh,
boy. Here we go. So we'retalking for a while.
And then eventually he said,what do you think about Trump?
And I'm like, he should be injail. And he's like, that passed
his, you know, his his puritytest. And he goes, what do you
think about the vaccine? I said,they're they're they're poison.
They're killing people. And he'slike, that's enough. That's

(01:03:02):
enough. You're one of those.You're an anti vaxxer.
And I'm like, I sure am. And hestarts stomping away. And there
was a bunch of people watching,right, because they were
watching us talk actuallypolitely up to that point. And I
said this for the rest of thecrowd, not for him. I said, go
get your death jab, slave.
You know what I mean? I was oneof them to hear that, that

(01:03:23):
you're not going to cow me downto take your little death jab.
Remember when we were children,we were taught when somebody
comes and pushes dope on you,don't be like little Jimmy and
jump off the bridge with him.Right? And when a drunk guy from
Wales says, you're not gonna bemy friend if you don't take the
death jab because I'm a slave.

(01:03:44):
Go slave, slave. You know what Imean? And when they see you
react like that, I'm not gonnatalk about anything else. You're
trash to me. You know what Imean?
And it totally changes the tenorof everything. Men have to stand
up. It's defense of ourfamilies.

Speaker 1 (01:04:05):
I'm really enjoying this. You're just yeah. It this
is this is it's funny because Icame in, I had this all these
heavy topics, and I was kindathinking about things and
reflecting. As I mentioned, I'mkind of, like, you know, end of
the American empire and kind ofwhere we're at right now, and
where do we go from here? And,and, you know, and also, as I
was telling you, I, like, youknow, my dad, I lost my dad last

(01:04:27):
week to, to, know, turbo cancer,which has been, you know,
wretched and a terrible thing.
But there's something about forsome reason this conversation
has has me smiling and in such apositive mood. And, you know,
because I guess maybe

Speaker 2 (01:04:42):
Because you're standing up.

Speaker 1 (01:04:43):
Yeah. Guess it's true.

Speaker 2 (01:04:46):
You know, are you guess it's true. The most
dangerous thing we can do onplanet Earth is talk into these
microphones.

Speaker 1 (01:04:51):
That's true.

Speaker 2 (01:04:52):
There is nothing more talking into this microphone is
more dangerous than going intothe Darien Gap with me. I
guarantee you. I've been acrossthe entire US Southern border,
nighttime, daytime, Mexicanside, American side. Darien Gap
spent a year down in Panama.Right?
Spent years and more. There isnothing. People killed all
around me many times. Right?Nothing is more dangerous than

(01:05:13):
what you and I are doing rightnow.
Talk talking under thesemicrophones will straight up get
us killed, especially about someof the subjects that we've
talked about today. Look, theZionist killed Charlie Kirk. We
all know that. It's obvious,right? I mean, oh, can't say
that.
Well, it could have beenChristian Zionist because, you
know, Trumpy Bear is a ChristianZionist, right? Allegedly. He's
actually, he's a narcissist. Ifyou look at the nucleus of him,

(01:05:36):
he's a narcissist. If Hinduswere the most powerful people in
the world, he would be like,know, worshiping Vishnu or
Shiva, whichever sect was themost powerful.
Right? You know, he would be ifif if it was Buddhist, he would
be Buddhist. He'd be wearing theorange robes. Right? I mean,
whatever he is just a at at hisnucleus, he's a narcissist, and
then he wears the shell ofwhat's going to benefit him the

(01:05:58):
most.
Right? But what I'm getting towith this is they will kill you.
And Charlie Kirk, as soon as hestarted speaking up, there's
people that say he's not dead.And as a first principle, I I
don't objectively know if he'sdead or alive. I think he's
dead, but I don't know.
Objectively, as a firstprinciple, actually, I don't
actually know. So he could bealive. He could be living in

(01:06:21):
Alaska, as one Thai doctor toldme. You know, I like, don't
know. We were having dinner inBangkok, and a Thai doctor is
like, He's down in Alaska.
I mean, not Alaska. He's down inAntarctica, living in
Antarctica. I'm like, Okay, Imean, whatever. I have no idea.
Any evidence of that?
Is there like a zip code? Youknow, it's like, you know, it's

(01:06:42):
like I was at 00000. And I know.But but I I don't know. Maybe
he's alive, maybe he's dead, butwhatever.
His persona, his his let's sayhis speaking tour was canceled
that day. And, you know, andimmediately, the kayfabe got
even more intense with the fake,you know, tears and jewel

(01:07:04):
jewelry and and the whole Imean, look at the disgustingness
around that whole thing. Know,people immediately grabbing for
the bloody microphone, that sortof thing.

Speaker 1 (01:07:14):
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:07:14):
Yeah. He he he went off script, and his his
character was killed in themovie. Let's put it that way. If
his body is still alive, I haveno idea.

Speaker 1 (01:07:23):
Yeah. I mean, I I agree. I I agree. You know,
that's my from from the verybeginning of that, I I did a
bunch of shows on it saying thatthis like, you know, you you see
all of a sudden, these peoplethat had, for so long, had
distrust of the FBI and thegovernment and, you know, you
know, they look at George Floydprotests, it's a SIOP, and
here's how it's a SIOP. And thenthis, it's like, oh, he was

(01:07:46):
killed by a radical leftist.
Lone gunner, radical leftist,reinforced the left versus right
paradigm in America. Don'tquestion Israel. Don't question
our own intelligence agencies.Don't question the FBI. They're
all on our side somehowmagically.
And it's just like, I I don'tknow. I feel like it's just
like, what what world am Iliving in? That it just yeah. I

(01:08:07):
mean, it's it's it's becomecrazy. It's become crazy.
And this is actually again,where I was kinda reflecting on
where America goes from herebecause it's like, you know, I
mentioned, I I just, you know,last week lost my my father, and
it was unexpected, you know,turbo cancer. And and, you know,
he's amazing man. Like, andreflecting on him after he's

(01:08:28):
passed is really I've I've thisnew level of respect for him.
And he was almost like he's justyou know, I'm not gonna go into
that because it's not reallyrelevant to the audience here,
but just an amazing man. But,you know, he did what he thought
was the right thing.
Right? He's, you know, followingthe guidelines when you put
protect others and got thevaccines and the boosters and
all that because he thought itwas the right thing to do. And,
you know, president Trump who,you know, I think it he'd voted

(01:08:50):
for at least the first term, hadcame out here, and this is his
he was a great he was the fatherof the vaccine. And I see this
happening, and now I see youknow, you see there's all this
excitement. Oh, you know, RFK iscoming back in and Kash Patel
and Dan Bongino.
And and you you see her comingin here now, and it's just like
yeah. I I think that whatthere's some very good things

(01:09:11):
I've seen Trump do, but if Ianalyze them, it's like, I think
these are the the manufacturedcrises. Right? The the gender
stuff. These are all justmanufactured issues, so we focus
on that stuff, and so everyone'sfighting over men in the women's
locker rooms.
Of course, it's like, hate that.I think it should be corrected.
It's great that they're they'recorrecting those things, But

(01:09:31):
let's talk about the FederalReserve. Let's talk about the
IRS. Let's talk about all themoney going to foreign
countries.
Let's talk about the Israellobby. Let's talk about all
these other things that, youknow, not to mention the
vaccine. Right? And and nowwe've got, you know, Larry
Ellison coming out with Oracle.You've got Palantir.
You've got Silicon Valley that'sbuilding the, you know, the the
technocracy, all buddy buddy.You got Elon Musk who's coming

(01:09:54):
out, he's building his AIsystems and putting chips in
everyone's heads and buildingrobot legions. And and everyone
you know, a of people are justlike, yay.

Speaker 2 (01:10:01):
Elon Musk. Like, we really wanna get a brain chip by
somebody who smokes dope on withJoe Rogan in a cloud of dope
smoke.

Speaker 1 (01:10:11):
Well, if it's the ketamine that worries me, it's
like And he took It's like

Speaker 2 (01:10:14):
And he takes ketamine. He brags about taking
ketamine, and he took the jab.He took the jab. Right? He took
the jab.
He said he took two. Right? Soremember, he said he took the
jab because he couldn't go tohis gigafactory in Germany.
Right? He's like, had to take itto go to I'm like, hold on.
Masako and I went to Germanymultiple times at the same time
period. And guess what? We don'thave rocket ships. We don't have

(01:10:36):
private jets. We went toGermany.
We went all over Europe, and wedidn't take the jab. So we're
not that smart. We're not gonnago to Mars, but we didn't take
the jab. But you did. Smartestguy on the earth who's a dope
head, takes ketamine, took twojabs.
Uh-uh. Listen. If I had agigafactory worth billions of
dollars in Germany, it would belike this. Hello, Germany. I'm

(01:10:57):
coming to my factory on Monday.
You can meet me at the airportor not. But if you detain me
about that jab, I will close thegigafactory right then on the
spot. Like, if I if if I'mdetained about that jab for one
minute, that factory will be getwill be closed during the entire
time that you're giving me ahard time. And if it goes for

(01:11:19):
five years, it's done. Right?
That's the way you play. But hedidn't. He didn't man up. He's
he's a he's obviously an actor.He's obviously a show.
He's a condom like Trump.They'll just come and go. The
he's clearly not what he's madeout to be. There is nobody
that's doing that sort of drugs,ketamine, smoking cannabis and

(01:11:41):
all that crap, getting a deathjab, marrying every girl that
walks by him. Right?
There's nobody that's doing allthat, doing all these shows and
everything else who's stilldoing The Boring Company, still
doing Tesla, doing SpaceX, doingall these, you know, Starlink
and all these different things.There's no way that you have the

(01:12:03):
time or executive function to dothat when you're not even smart
enough not to take the jab orfind a way around it. Right? And
he said he got sick from thejab. Right?
I mean, seriously, we're not assmart as Elon Musk, but we
didn't take the jab. Right? Andand and and we're not smoking
dope and on ketamine either.Right? He's clearly, clearly not

(01:12:25):
what he's made out to be.
That's obvious. The question is,how deep does it go?

Speaker 1 (01:12:30):
And so I guess, I mean, you know, you've you're
obviously a student of history,right, as has been evidenced in
this conversation, not tomention all the other
conversations we've had and andyour work and everything. And
you've not just studied the therise and fall of empires and
civilizations, but you've alsowitnessed and you've done the
front lines of the collapse ofcountries and governments and

(01:12:52):
everything. And, like, when youlook at where things are at in
America, you know, goingforward, what do you see? Like,
because this this is why Iappreciate you too, is that,
like, you're you're argue youknow, you can say you're you're
one of the most honest peoplethat I know, but you're
courageous in your honesty.Like, you're not ashamed of
just, know, you're if you offendsomebody, it's like, oh, I'm

(01:13:15):
sorry you're offended, butyou're gonna speak the truth as
you see it and understand it.
And your truth is based off of awealth of knowledge and
resources. It's not just whatyou said, you're kind of like
your preceded answers of like,okay, Why why is the jab okay?
It's safe and effective. It'slike, well, That's not from you.
That's from some propaganda, youknow, campaign out of Fauci's
head.
Right? So

Speaker 2 (01:13:35):
Oh, the science.

Speaker 1 (01:13:36):
Exactly. So when you look at where America's at right
now, what I'm seeing is that I'mseeing this that I think I saw a
recent chart saying thatconsumer sentiment is at an all
time low, like, literally alltime low in America. Like,
people are struggling immenselyto get by. They're losing jobs.
They they they're having a hardtime finding jobs.
They're hiding their they'rekind of completely losing the

(01:13:59):
job reports because thegovernment shut down. I think
that they're hiding this, butthey're also coming out
gaslighting and saying, this isthe best economy. This is the
golden age. And most Americans,I think, are looking around
saying, like, am I living in adifferent America than you are?
Because it doesn't feel likethat.
Like, I feel like our country isis spiraling out of control. I'm
seeing a technocracy see beingbuilt. I'm seeing the the

(01:14:22):
tariffs that are making thingsmore expensive, yet they're
still taxing us, and now they'rere taxing crypto and all this
stuff. I'm seeing that massivepartnerships being formed
between big tech and, you know,companies like Palantir, you
know, frightening stuff goingon. I'm seeing all these
different indicators.
I'm looking around, and it'slike, well, yeah, I'm glad that
we got the transgenders out ofthe women's sports, but, you

(01:14:46):
know, where are we going as acountry? So what do you like,
what are your kind of sobercomments that the the average
American needs to hear rightnow?

Speaker 2 (01:14:55):
It's clear clearly splitting up. You know, it's
funny how some people go, whyaren't you back in America? I'm
like, I've been all overAmerica, man. I've been all over
the border from SpaceX to SanDiego, the entire border. Right?
I've been all the way down toSouthern Mexico and Guatemala
and Belize and Honduras and ElSalvador and Panama and Colombia

(01:15:20):
and all looking at this andMorocco looking at this all over
the world. Right? I'm in Japan.Remember, I've written three
books on Chinese information warbecause this place is going to
war. Right?
Japan's going to end up being ina war, too. And this is part of
the war that we're in. It's thesame war. Right? I'm looking at

(01:15:40):
the same battlefields, whetherit's the drugs that we're
looking at and all these sortsof things.
You know, there's over 20,000cannabis licenses now issued in
Thailand. That's where we gotthis for retail, wholesale,
growing, transport, that sort ofthing. 20,000. About four years
ago, I think there was closer tozero. I think there was zero.

(01:16:02):
And so this is all part of thesame war. The information war,
the SIOP, the drugs, obviously,economic war, the fiat money
obviously will collapse. At somepoint, you're going wake up and
like, Hey, my bank doesn't workanymore. And you either got the
cash on you to get you to thenext thing that you're going
have to deal with, which is likegold or silver or whatever.

(01:16:23):
Wherever you're at in the world,you better have some because
that's your next fallback.
But in the beginning, it'llstill be cash. It'll just like
your banks probably won't work,or it'll be inflated away. I
don't know, for those who haveenjoyed hyperinflation before,
which I have, I say thatenjoyably, I say that
euphemistically. I mean, youknow, well, it was enjoyable for
me because I was earning indollars, right? But when you go

(01:16:46):
to places that have severeinflation, you see, I mean, it's
a different world.
And it's not a world that youwant to live in, but clearly
that's what we're going into.And so there's so many
mechanisms that are unfoldinghere, whether it's the death
jabs, whether it's the drugs,including alcohol, of course.
Remember, the supply to answer,the bong monkeys will say, what

(01:17:09):
about alcohol, man? Okay, thattoo. Okay, we'll say that again.
It's all the same to me, whetherit's prescription drugs like,
hey, I can study more by takingthis thing, and then I'm up all
night going, you know, bouncingoff the walls, right? You know,
I know some very serious writersand whatnot who take those
drugs. When they go to placeslike Mexico, they buy a bunch of

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them. How do I know that?Because they've asked me.
They're like, Oh, you're inMexico. Can you pick up some
whatever for me? And I'm like,What is that crap? They're the
first one that asked me to buystuff for them. I'm like, Why
don't you go get it, man?
I'm not a drug dealer. I mean,if you're ivermectin or
something, but even that Iwouldn't trust now, you know,
because obviously they've hadtime to meddle with it. But I

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mean, there's a lot of thesedifferent drugs that are either
prescribed or whatever that arebeing used to diminish our
capacity. And it happens as agroup. Now, of course, we'll
have people that say, no, so andso is super effective and he
does it.' Okay, maybe there's anoutlier or maybe you're lying or

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whatever.
But as a group, it's slatsagainst the wall as a group.
Now, we're not talking aboutsome individual who's still a
super athlete or something likethat. We're talking about, on
the whole, our communitiessplat. Look at California.
Splat.
Colorado. Splat. You know what Imean? And, you know, I have a

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friend in Bangkok who talksabout how it'll it'll be
controlled. It'll be regulated.
It won't get to the kids. I'mlike, dude, I bought this in a
store in a rich part of Bangkok.Why are they selling? Why are
there so many bong store? Whyare there so many actual
cannabis stores in Bangkok, andthey're really concentrated in

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the richest parts of town?
Right? You think that's acoincidence? Hunter Biden, you
think that's a coincidence?Right. You have to get a
prescription now to get themarijuana and cannabis in
Thailand.
Right? So I walked in withMasako, and I said, I need some
dope. Right? This is like amonth and a half, two months
ago. I need some dope.
Right? And they're like, Oh,okay. You need a prescription.

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I'm like, Okay. There'sliterally a doctor behind the
counter.
Literally, a doctor behind thecounter, like wearing his white
coat and stuff. So he writes mea prescription for something.
I've forgotten what it was.Probably amnesia. Right?
And then he wrote Masako aprescription for anorexia,
right? Didn't ask her a word,gave her a prescription for
anorexia. Now she's Japanese, soshe can't even buy any

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marijuana. It's against the lawfor a Japanese to buy marijuana,
I mean, ties will sell to her,they don't care. But it's
against the law for Japanese tobuy marijuana anywhere overseas,
right?
Or to smoke it anywhereoverseas, right? But it's not
against the law for me to buyit. So we bought some, they
rolled us up the joints and allthat crap. And it when you smell
it, it makes you sick. You know,it literally is something about

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it.
Right? And then we made a videoflushing it down the toilet
later. But I mean, but the pointis we both got prescriptions
there at the cash register. ButMasako didn't buy any. They're
like, Are you sure you don'twant to buy some?
She's like, No, no. I don't wantto buy any. They're like, Are
you sure? You can buy it rightnow. She's like, No, I just And
she paid for some other stuff.
She just didn't want any dope.Right? She, you know, she did

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her thing, but she wasn't goingto touch it. She wasn't any of
that stuff. Right?
But what I'm getting to is thisfirst of all, this is let's call
it sino, like rhino, Republicanin name only. Let's call it
cannabis in name only. Whateverthat crap is, it's not those
weeds that grow on the side ofthe road in Nepal, right? It's
not that. It is something else.

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You can smell it. It's noxious.If you're in Bangkok right now,
I'm sure some people watchingthis are in Bangkok. Go to one
look, they come with like sortof like Uber delivery. I mean,
literally, the motorcycle comesup, gets the dope, and drives
off with it.
Like and there's one of the dopeshops is right next to a pizza
shop. He's literally watchedhim. He gets pizza and he's

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getting delivering literallypizza and dope stores right next
to each other, literally to thesame guy. He's he's get he can't
make up this stuff. You know?
You can go it's it's the stuffyou only see in Bangkok. But, I
mean, literally, you can orderdope on on the apps now. You
can't make up this stuff. Andand and again, the idea that
this and and and some of theexcuses I hear in Thailand from

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foreign white people is like,oh, it's only for the tourists.
I'm like, okay.
How does that make it morallyokay? Right? Do you have any
moral compass whatsoever? It'sonly for the tourist kids.
Right?
It's like, oh, it's formedicinal purposes. Bullshit.
It's not for medicinal purposes.It is not. That's why you know

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heroin?
The name heroin was invented bya pharmaceutical company.
Unfortunately, I got that bookdownstairs, I think. In all
that, the cannabis, the the thethe the cocaine and all that
stuff in the eighteen hundreds,because they were they had
cannabis in The United States inthe eighteen hundreds. It was

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always for medicinal purposes.Heroin was for medicinal
purposes.
All the opium that you could buylisten. You could go to one of
those cowboy stores in Texas,get yourself some cocaine and
some whiskey and some dynamiteand a shotgun and some coffin
nails and have a big old party.You know? Give me a keg of
dynamite. Give me a keg ofgunpowder.

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Give me some of that whiskey.It's July 4. I'm gonna need some
give me some of that cocaine.Right? And can you imagine how
many people just got blown toshreds?
You know, here here, Jimmy. Becareful with this whiskey and
cocaine and the dynamite. Seeyou next Tuesday. You know, it's
like, you know, it's like, Jimmydoesn't come back next Tuesday.

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It's like, you know, it's like,this is the Wild West, and and
there's people that want it tobe the Wild West again.
And the the know, you'll getthese things like, it's about my
freedom, man. What are you gonnaoutlaw? A weed? First of all,
you have to be on dope to evengo down that route. You're
actually the enemy.
You're captured. You're a you'rea alien zyborg or whatever

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they're called. Right? You'reactually already so doped up.
You are doing the bidding of theChinese Communist Party who come
across the we have records of40,000 Chinese that came
through, that we have.
We had their their birthdayswhen they came in, what buses
they got on. That's just Chinesethat came through the Darien
Gap. Just Chinese, just theDarien Gap. This doesn't include

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student visas coming throughCanada, coming through Bahamas.
They come through Bahamas a lot.
Doesn't include the ones whojust went to Mexico and skipped
the Darien Gap or the ones whocame to Guatemala and skipped.
This is just the Darien Gap. Wehave over 1,000,000 records and
over 40,000 of those areChinese. Many of those Chinese
are around places like Oklahoma,Oregon, Maine, and they're

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growing dope. They're growingdope, they're growing dope, and
they're selling it.
Now, a supplied answer is andthey're also sending fentanyl
in, right? Now, a suppliedanswer that many people are
thinking right now is theChinese are just getting even
for the opium wars. Okay. Howmany times have I heard that?
Because that's why I know manypeople are thinking that.
The Chinese are getting even forthe opium wars. Okay. Okay.

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Let's cease fire for a minute.So why are the Chinese flooding
before the opium wars?
We're already flooding opiumaround other places, before the
British were doing it to theChinese. And then when the
British definitely did it to theChinese and two of the opium and
two opium wars, They 100% didit, but the Chinese were doing
it too. So the so the Chinesewere doing it for, they were

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doing it during, and they'restill doing it now. I mean, I
have this one missionary. Hisname is McKay.
He was from he was from Canada.So he was in Formosa in the
eighteen nineties or so. I'vegot I've got his book over
there. And McKay was talkingabout how the wily Chinese
traders in Formosa were bringingintoxicants in and just riling

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up the natives. Listen, thenatives were already
headhunters.
They were already straight upcannibals. But actually, McKay,
he was a dentist, actually. Andhe was a but he was a Canadian
missionary. And so he's out withall these headhunters. And he's
like, he's like, actually, youknow.
He he was trying to reconcilethis. They're actually really
nice people, and they're reallyfamily people except for the

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little headhunting cannibalismpart. But then that, you know,
he's trying to reconcile thesethings as many people do who
travel. Like, I go out with wildIndians in different places. I'm
like, mean, I I was out with theTaliban a lot, and I'm like I
was out with they were mostlyfarmers.
I was out with I spent two yearsin Afghanistan. So sometimes it
was just me, and I'm out withthem. Right? And at some point,
I'm like, these guys are justfarmers. I can get along with

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farmers from any country in theworld.
There's there's no no culture Ihaven't gotten along with
farmers with. And at some point,I'm like, these Taliban dudes,
they're just farmers, andthey're pretty wild. But but
they're but but you know whatthey want to talk about? The
rain. They wanna talk abouttheir cow.
They wanna talk about theirgrandchildren. This one guy was
showing me the aphids on hisleaf, and he's like and I

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photographed it. I publishedthese photos. He's like,
Americans come with blackhelicopters at night. Where have
we heard that before?
He was telling me blackhelicopters at night. I'm like,
I heard this a lot of times inAmerica. He's Americans come
with black helicopters at nightand they're pushing these bugs
out on our leaves, on our on ouron our on our our crop, on our
poppy. And I'm like, no. We'renot.

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And I was it was just me andhim. Right? And on this really
dangerous part. But, you know,when they welcome you in,
they're not gonna mess with you.And so it this is farmers.
And and he's like and I said,we're not doing that. We should.
I mean, you're growing opium.And he goes, we're we're not
that smart. And they always dotheir beard thing.
They always rub their beard.He's like, yes. You're not that

(01:26:57):
smart. And he's like, oh, let'shave more tea. You know, they
love tea.
They're always pouring so muchsugar in it because you're a
guest. So they're like, givingyou sugar shock, you know? At
some point, you're like, why arewe even fighting these guys?
They don't even want to grow oakpoppy. The reason they grow
poppy was because the when theRussians were fighting there,
they came and destroyed a lot oftheir pomegranates and their

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vineyards and stuff.
They make more money onpomegranates. They make more
money on vineyards. And also,their children don't get don't
get addicted. Anybody that growsthe poppy or whatever drug it
is, you always end up with someof that sticking to your own
population. So the tally bancame in, they're like, that'll
be enough of that.
And they started hanging peoplethat were doing it right. They
were hanging people that weredoing the poppy. And then we

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come in, and I'm like, it's likeWizard of Oz. I mean, there's
like undulating fields of poppy.Like, you know, some places,
it's just little plots here andthere.
In other place, you got theErzgan Province. I'm like,
seriously, where's the YellowBrick Road? I mean, this is you
know, when they fall asleep inthe poppy, paparosomnifrum is
the Latin name. Right? It'ssleeping poppy.
That's a papar papar a paparsomniferum, sleeping. Anyway,

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but the point is the reason theystarted growing the opium was
because, you know, the Russianscame in, destroyed their
pomegranate, destroyed theirKarez system, which is their
underground water systems,destroyed their vineyards and
all that. And the poppy is veryhardy. It's very hardy. And you
don't need you need, I think, asI recall, about one third the

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water.
And also, it's a cash crop, soyou can grow it and you can
harvest it now. And and also,this much opium is worth a lot
of money. And if it freezes orit gets too hot or whatever, it
doesn't matter. I mean, you canput it on the donkey and walk
over the hills to Pakistan,Hindu Kush, which means the
Hindu killers. You get that muchopium is worth a lot of money.

(01:28:48):
That much tomato is worth howmuch? Right? You know, that much
grapes is worth how much? Andnot only that, but as soon as
you pick the tomato, it's, youknow, starting to wilt. Right?
And the And so but that muchopium I mean, opium, keep in
mind, throughout history hasbeen one of the monies. We
always talk about gold andsilver and copper. But also,
opium has actually been a money,right, because it does last a

(01:29:12):
long time. And oh, man, I wish Iwas in the other part of the
library. I'll show you some ofmy opium weights from several
100 years old.
Unbelievable. You know, by theway, one of the ways they
measure opium weights inAfghanistan is AAA and AA
batteries. They're like, wait.The triple a and double a's
weigh different weightsdepending on if it's like
alkaline or something. But youknow what I mean?

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But, also, they use AK 47bullets. So an actual unit of
weight for opium is the weightof an AK 47 bullet. I can't make
up this stuff, man. It'sfascinating. But the reason they
started doing that was becausewe destroyed their other or not
we didn't do it.
The Russians did it. And thenthen we started obviously not

(01:29:57):
destroying the opium. We wereobviously Afghans were telling
me. They're like, Americans areactually buying a lot of this.
And I'm like, I didn't believeit.
I was in the middle of the war,and I was talking with DEA guys
all the time. I'm like,something's not right here. You
know, the Afghans are telling methat our government's buying
this stuff. And, yeah, there yougo. That's my weight right
there.

(01:30:18):
That's it. And look at thatpainting right behind it. That
that painting is the is theAmerican progress. Yeah.
Manifest Destiny.
That's it right there. And look,that's the three railroads. The
Southern Railroad, the Central,and the Northern Railroad. And
then to the right of that is theMississippi River. This painting

(01:30:38):
is from 1872.
I got this in my other room. Andthe and you see they're driving
the Indians, and they're drivingthe bears, and the guys plowing
at the field. You see thatlittle wagon closest to you is
US under almost underneath herfeet. That's the US post office.
The book that she's carrying, itsays school book, and she's got
a star on her head for the newstate.

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So she's going to California. Ifyou look to the left, you'll see
or in front of her, you'll seethere's the Rocky Mountains and
there's the Pacific Ocean.Right? Now, keep in mind, the
reason that you see thatSouthern Railroad, the reason
that we had the war with Mexicois we wanted to build that
railroad. We wanted to that'swhy we had the Gaston Purchase
and all that stuff.
And that's why, you know, wetook San Diego. And then we

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ended up taking Hawaii becausewe were then routes and
resources. This is routes andresources. Right? Then we moved
over the Pacific, and and wecame over here to Japan, where
I'm at today.
And it's all been a process war.It's taken centuries, right? And
that painting right thereactually, I showed it to a

(01:31:43):
couple of very educated Americanfriends a couple months ago, and
they had never seen it before.And I was kinda shocked. I I'm
kinda shocked that everyAmerican doesn't know this
painting very, very well.
I mean, you've seen this before.Right?

Speaker 1 (01:31:59):
No. This is my first time seeing it. I pulled it up
earlier when you mentioned it,and I was like, wow. What what a
it's an amazing painting. Butthis is my first time

Speaker 2 (01:32:08):
Oh, unbelievable.

Speaker 1 (01:32:09):
Yeah. And I studied fine art, so somehow I never
came across this.

Speaker 2 (01:32:14):
It's, you know, it's a small painting. It's from
1872, so it's out of copyright.So I took it to Kinko's, and
Kinko's has some kind of, Idon't know, good technology with
their software. And they canblow up photos and paintings
that actually you would thinkwould be attenuated, and they
would be all grainy and stuff,but somehow their software
interpolates or something. SoI've got that blown up really

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big, almost life size, and itlooks great.
I mean, and so I you know, it'ssomething interesting because
I've got it in my my wholelibrary is about war, actually.
Like, everything behind you isabout war. Although there's no
and I've got three rooms ofthis. Right? I've got thousands
of books.
But none of it is there's nobook on guns. There's no book on

(01:33:02):
submarines or aircraft. Anytimeaircraft or whatever pop up,
it's just coincidental. Right?It's it's like because most of
warfare is, you know, I didyears going out in kinetic
warfare and firefights and allthat stuff.
I did a lot of those things,right? I did it for years. But
that's not where the big warreally takes place. The big war
takes place in our heads. Thebiggest war is SIOP, information

(01:33:25):
warfare, Information the the topshelf in my other room is
information war because that'sthe highest level of warfare.
Right? Is information war andintoxicants. Right?

Speaker 1 (01:33:36):
So why these are so dangerous. Right?

Speaker 2 (01:33:40):
This is it, dude. This is the cannon, and this is
the real this is the real f 35.Right? Except it's not stealth.
It's meant to be not stealth.
You know? And and sointoxicants, information war,
SIOP, of course, is a subset ofinformation war. And so my
books, my whole library, is oldmaps. It's old globes and stuff

(01:34:02):
like this, and it's old it'sabout so many cultures, the
Romans. It's about so many it'svery detailed.
But I think an average personcould come in here and look at
it and go, wow, it's a lot ofold books. But somebody who's
very, very well studied, andthey would have to probably
spend a few hours lookingaround, they're like they would
probably go, somebody here ismaybe studying war. But it would

(01:34:26):
have to be somebody that's PhDlevel war thinking. An average
person would be like, Well, itcan't be studying war because
there's no book on tanks. Youknow, there are some books on
World War I and that sort ofthing, there are books on actual
wars.
But that's because that is partof the wars, right, of World War
II and that sort of thing. Butit's not like it's a big, you
know, there's not like cannonsup on the wall. You could you

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would never know if you cameinto my home that I was a war
correspondent. There's no way toknow that. There's no way that
there's no way because I don'tAt one point, Masako noticed
that.
She's like, There you know,there's no way to notice that
you've ever even been into awar. There's nothing on the wall
that's about anything aboutwars. Right? It's just a bunch
of old American Indians. It'sabout Panama Canal.

(01:35:13):
I've got so much on PanamaCanal. Look at this. I had this
painted recently in Panama. Thisis an old French bond for, you
know, the French failed at thePanama Canal. But and I had this
painted.
This is the American Eaglefighting the Chinese dragon. I
don't know if that'll come outwell. Sorry. It's not not good.

(01:35:36):
It's not it's not bright enough,is it?

Speaker 1 (01:35:38):
You you can still see it, actually. You you can still
yeah. You can still see it.

Speaker 2 (01:35:41):
Oh, so there you go. And, yeah, this is an actual
original old Bond, by the way.And so, you know, because China
and, you know, America,actually, I should have a I
should have a Zionist. Butwhat's a what's a good sign for
Zionist? It's not the star ofDavid.
They like to make you think itis, but it's not. But this is
actually a French bond. They hadto sell different issues of this

(01:36:02):
because they, you know, theywell, they went bankrupt there.
It's like the Scottish did. Youknow, I got books on you won't
believe these things, man.
I mean, when the more you studywar and you study the actual
occurrence of war, you start tobe able to predict thing.

Speaker 1 (01:36:20):
So I hope you enjoyed the interview. But I've now got
a short fifteen minute interviewthat's quite fascinating with a
guy named Tom Simon, who isformer FBI and a current,
financial invest basically, he'sa private investigator with a
focus on financial crimes,talking about what happens when
people steal one of yourgreatest assets that you have.

(01:36:41):
So we'll be detailing that.Again, it's about fifteen
minutes, so please enjoy thisshort little interview for you.
Tom Simon, it's great to haveyou as a guest on the show.
Thank you so much for being herewith us today.

Speaker 3 (01:36:51):
Oh, Seth, thanks so much for having me on.

Speaker 1 (01:36:53):
So you are former FBI, which is I'd be hesitant
about having a current FBIperson on the show, but usually
former, I can I can talk alittle more openly to? But
you're also a privateinvestigator, you know,
specifically focusing onfinancial crimes, which is,
we'll get into that. But the onething that we're really kinda
honing in on today is literallyhow someone can basically steal

(01:37:17):
your home from you. And, youknow, you you we're talking
before we started recordingabout kind of more libertarian
mindset. And, you know, I I ownmy land, and I'm out in the
country.
And it's this idea of, like,this is my land, and and I own
it, and this is part of the thefundamental part of what it
means to be an American is theopportunity to even though, you
know, with all the taxation,it's kind of, like, do I really
own my land, or am I stillrenting it from the government
until I die from taxes? Butthat's a different story. But

(01:37:39):
the idea, though, that someonecan literally steal your house
is such it's so wild. It'salmost difficult to believe. But
with your background and withyour current work, this is
something that you know all toowell.
So why don't you just give usjust a basic overview of what
this is?

Speaker 3 (01:37:55):
It is counterintuitive because we all
go home to our house at the endof the day and live there quite
comfortably with the knowledgethat this is our home. You know,
when there's a mortgage on it,like you said, and there's taxes
that you'd have to pay, butultimately, it's still your
home. But the fact is thatsomeone can actually go to your
county clerk's office, acriminal, and file a document
called a deed. And then whatthat deed does is it will

(01:38:16):
transfer ownership of your homefrom your name into their name
or the name of somebody that isworking for them as a buyer,
let's say. And then they can goout and get home equity lines of
credit or loans on your home asusing it as collateral from
banks who just aren't payingthat close of attention because
legally on the books and thecounty records, the bad guy is

(01:38:38):
now the owner of your house.
And here's the thing, Seth, youwon't even know this occurred
until months later when theforeclosure notices start
arriving in your mailbox.

Speaker 1 (01:38:48):
So, basically, let's just say that the guy, Sammy
Smith, is a criminal.

Speaker 2 (01:38:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:38:54):
I think oftentimes these guys have fake IDs. Right?
Either them or their theirpartner. They're they're working
with stolen identities. Maybethey've even stolen my own
identity.
Right? But basically, whatyou're saying is that they have
ways of changing the ownership,which is the deed in within the
county records, which, know,I've bought and sold homes
before. I know there's aprocess. You you go through a

(01:39:14):
title company, they handle allthat for you. But I know that
when when getting a loan with abank, the bank has to verify
with the county that you own thehome that Right.
That you are working or thatyou're purchasing the home that
you're getting a loan on. Andthere's a lot of due diligence
there. And so what you're sayingis that someone can basically
which, I mean, it makes sensethat it's kind of archaic that

(01:39:37):
they can just go to the countyrecord and file some paper.
You'd think these things wouldall be connected, but it's like,
you go to the DMV, you know thatthey're still in the 1980s and a
lot of their technology. So theycan go to the county play, you
know, the county records, changeor change that record showing
that I no longer own own thehome that they do, or some fake
identity that they that theyhave taken owns the home.

(01:39:59):
But then they can use that homeas collateral to go take out a
$400,000 loan on the home that Ithought that I think that I
actually still own. And theytake the money and run, and then
say three, four, five monthsdown the road, the bank's not
getting payments, obviously. Ithen get a letter showing that
the bank is foreclosing on myhome, and I'm saying, wait. I

(01:40:21):
didn't go get a loan with ChaseBank. I might my loan is with,
you know, the local company.
Is that basically how how itworks?

Speaker 3 (01:40:27):
Yeah. You explained it, Will. I mean, the deed is
the mechanism transfersownership from one person to
another. It could be a quickclaim deed or a warranty deed,
the title of your house isreally what matters. And that
title, if it's in the name ofyou and someone goes in and
files a quick claim deed in thecounty clerk's office, moving
that into the name of a homelessguy that they just paid $50 to

(01:40:48):
or their own name, for example,they become, as far as the
county clerk is concerned, theowner of record of your home and
then they can go and get loanson it, they can sell it out from
under you, they can do anything.
And I think you touched uponsomething why people are so
skeptical about that this wouldhappen. The problem is, and I
know you have a healthy distrustof the government and I
appreciate that as a formergovernment employee, I do too,

(01:41:10):
but the county clerk's office bystatute is not verifying the
authenticity of these deeds thattransfer ownership. Their job by
statute is to simply recordthose deeds in the public
record. And so that's the weaklink in the chain that there's
no one watching the store atyour County Clerk's office to
say that this deed is legitimateand this deed is fraudulent.

(01:41:31):
Once they their job is solely totransfer that ownership
according to the documents.

Speaker 1 (01:41:36):
And so, with your FBI background and with your
current, you know, work as aprivate investigator, how common
is this? Is this something thatyou know, because there's a lot
of threats out there. It's like,someone could kidnap me tomorrow
and and, you know, have a ransomon me. And there's lot of
threats, but then you think, isthat really gonna happen? You
know, of course, I can get in acar accident or get struck by
lightning, but I'm still gonnakeep going on living my life.

(01:41:59):
But with this title theft, Imean, how big of, how big of an
industry is it and how common isit?

Speaker 3 (01:42:04):
Anecdotally, I can see that it happens a lot
because I do work for a companycalled Home Title Lock. We have
analysts there that send meclippings of news articles and
criminal charges where it'shappening. And it's a long list
every single week. The problemis that there's, with the
exception of New York andFlorida, there's no crime on the
books anywhere called home titletheft. It's usually charged as

(01:42:26):
in the federal system by themail fraud or the wire fraud
statue.
So I saw it a lot as an FBIagent, but there's no way to
good way to index it. So ithappens a lot. It happens a lot
in like these crazycircumstances with these very
sympathetic victims, but wedon't have good numbers on it.
The other problem is that a lotof the times when someone goes
into the local police station tosay, hey, someone has stolen the

(01:42:47):
title to my home, the police whoare trying to work hard to keep
us safe often tell them, listen,I don't really understand what
you're talking about. It soundslike a civil matter.
If you're in a real estatedispute with someone, go sue
them. And then it never evenhits the criminal courts.

Speaker 1 (01:43:01):
I see. Which is kind of crazy because it's like,
let's say, if someone stole my$10,000 tractor, right, and I
went to the local precinct,They'd I'd file a report, and
they would probably, you know,do their due diligence, and
they'd be looking for this, youknow Right. Certain model of
Kubota tractor if they if theysee it. They'd actually work on
finding it. And if they foundit, they would probably

(01:43:21):
prosecute the person who stoleit, and they'd get the tractor
back to me.
I guess seems like a very simplething. Yet someone could have a
a million dollar home that thishappens with that literally,
like, you know, someone stealsmy tractor, it's like, I'm gonna
be okay. Right? But if someonesteals your home, and all of a
sudden, you've got foreclosurehappening on your home that you
live in, and that home, for alot of Americans, represents the

(01:43:43):
entirety of your nest egg,you're kind of up the creek
without a paddle, right?

Speaker 3 (01:43:49):
It's a problem, right? It's a paper caper, and
oftentimes, the police aren'tsuper excited to work those kind
of cases. Whereas like a CPAnerd like me that was hired by
the FBI spent twenty six yearsworking these type of cases. I
like fraud cases. And youpointed out something really
intelligent is that for mostAmericans, myself included, the
equity you have in your home isyour single largest asset.

(01:44:12):
But it's kind of nebulous,right? Because it's an ownership
of a property that you're nottrying to sell that has a value
that you know what the value is,but when someone steals that
from you, it's just verydifficult for law enforcement to
kind of wrap their heads aroundthis and act appropriately. It's
getting better. I mean, we'redoing kind of a public education
campaign going on shows likethis talking about it, But it's,

(01:44:35):
it's still a problem, and peopleneed to keep an eye on their
home title to make sure itdoesn't happen to them.

Speaker 1 (01:44:40):
And so you mentioned New York, this case that just
happened in New York, where theAG James actually has now
changed this, to make it, youknow, a pro actually,
prosecutable crime. Right? SoRight. Can you walk us through,
what happened here?

Speaker 3 (01:44:59):
Yeah. There was a realtor in Rockland County, New
York named Oscar Deus. And whathe did is he forged a woman's
name on a deed. Her name wasMonique Hale, the victim,
transferring ownership of thehouse to Oscar's control. And
then he took her house and eventhough she's still living in it
and began monetizing that houseso he could extract the equity
from it using loans and othermeans.

(01:45:21):
But the problem is this happenedin 2021 and it took five years
for a law to pass that wasretroactive that they could
actually charge Oscar with this.The problem, though, is that the
federal I'm sorry. The criminaljustice system is not really set
up to give to undo the damagedone. The the the criminal
courts is not the proper venueto unwind this situation and get

(01:45:43):
that house back into Monique'sname or any victim's name of
home title theft.

Speaker 1 (01:45:48):
I see. And so what's crazy is that it's saying here,
he was in he was in theDominican Republic, like, at
when this was happening. Right?So the guy who did it, it's it's
like you know, so he doesn't

Speaker 3 (01:45:58):
even

Speaker 1 (01:45:58):
You

Speaker 3 (01:45:59):
can thank him for that.

Speaker 1 (01:46:00):
Yeah. I guess you're right. Yeah. Actually, that's
true because I'm sure that underCOVID that

Speaker 3 (01:46:04):
You would have to walk in, present a document with
a notary signature, presentidentification, make it look
real. Now ever since COVID, alot of these counties are
allowing you to file your deedsand transferring ownership of a
home from you to someone elseonline. And so there's not even
anyone watching the store at thecounty clerk's office.

Speaker 1 (01:46:22):
Crazy. And this is and here it's saying, actually,
this is just the latest exampleof a G James taking action. It
says in in August, two peoplewere charged for stealing the
home of an elderly woman inQueens. In February, there's a
charge against a woman in Queensfor stealing the home and funds
of her elderly neighbor. And andI've seen I've looked at this
too because, when I was firstinvestigating working with Home

(01:46:42):
Title Lock, I was just, okay, isthis is this real?
And, yeah, if you go and yousearch, you know, title theft,
you can see there's a bunch ofnews coverage. And and almost
every time, it's it's like thegauntlet of difficulty if the
person ever even recovers thosefunds. And that's one of other
questions that I had for youwith this was that we talked
about this tractor. So say I hada tractor that was stolen.

(01:47:04):
They're gonna work on trying toget you know, if if they catch
the bad guy, hey.
We found the tractor in hisgarage, you know, and they're
gonna hopefully get it back tome. And I know, you know, if
cars are stolen, those cars getparted out and everything, and
your insurance will give youreplacement because that's
that's covered. But do peoplerecover off of this? Like, if if
you if you've, you know, one daywake up and there's a
foreclosure and someone's got ahalf $1,000,000 mortgage on your

(01:47:27):
home and they they took thatmoney and that money is not even
in an American based bankaccount anymore,

Speaker 3 (01:47:32):
what what Right. The trick is trying to restore the
proper ownership of the home tothe victim. And so there's
options for that, right? Avictim can hire attorneys and
spend an absolute fortunegetting civil attorneys to kind
of make this thing right andrestore that home back into it.
And you mentioned home titlelock.
I I'm a spokesperson for them.They have a US based restoration

(01:47:53):
team that'll do it for you withno out of pocket expenses for
home title lock subscribers.

Speaker 1 (01:47:58):
And so it's just it's just kinda wild. But with with
that process, right? Because Iknow that, in a different
interview I did on this, theyexplained to me how like, let's
just say that person loses theirhome. If they go try to find an
attorney or find someone to helpwith it, well, for one, I think
from what I was saying, a lot ofattorneys don't even actually

(01:48:19):
understand a lot of the specificmechanisms of how to get this
back. Like, if you go to anattorney and say, hey, someone
stole my home, they they theymight be they'll they'll look
into it, they'll do their best.
But it's not something like,it's such a when you're dealing
with, like, this complexlabyrinth of documents and
systems and deeds, everything,but you're also kind of going
between criminal and civil, it'snot easy to navigate. Right?

Speaker 3 (01:48:41):
That's the thing. Like, real estate attorneys are
very good at what they do. Theyfacilitate the closings on
houses and make sure everythingis squared away with the title
transfer and all that. But whensomething is done fraudulently,
that requires a very specificset of skills that a lot of real
estate attorneys don't have. Soif someone is caught in the
situation, they need to go outand hire someone to do that.
You want to make sure you hiresomeone who actually knows this

(01:49:03):
process and knows how to unringthe bell rung by the criminal
when they stole your home.

Speaker 1 (01:49:08):
And so, I want pull up Home Title Lock's website.
And, so people the web URL ishometitlelock.com/seth. And, so
I know they have this milliondollar triple lock protection.
So walk us through what doesHome Title Lock do? Because if
if I if I know correctly, theydon't necessarily go in and,
like, kinda put a wall up atevery county office, making sure

(01:49:31):
no one can steal your title.
But what they do is that theymonitor that activity so you
catch it at the very inceptionof the theft, and you're then
able to stop it. If so correctme if I'm wrong, also explain a
little more about what how theywork.

Speaker 3 (01:49:42):
Yeah. Let me walk through that. So it's important
that every single personwatching your show, Seth,
monitors their home title withsome regularity. The problem is
you're gonna drive yourselfcrazy hopping on the county
clerk's website you can take alook at your home title every
single day to make sure no onehas messed with it, no one has
placed a lien on your house ortransfer title from your name to
the name of some homeless guy.So Home Title Act's gonna take

(01:50:03):
that off your shoulders.
So the first kind of piece ofthe triple lock protection is
the monitoring. They're gonnamonitor the status of your home
title electronically. The secondpiece is notification. They're
gonna let you know if anythingshould change on your home
title. Sometimes that'sperfectly legitimate.
You go out and get a home equityline of credit because you wanna
build a deck in the back or somekind of loan on your house.

(01:50:24):
That's gonna trip up, that'sgonna create a lien on the
county clerk's website andyou're gonna be notified and you
can tell hometown a lot, no, no,no, was me. But you wanna be
notified if someone, if a badguy also is doing something to
your house. But the third one,and in my mind, this is the most
important is The US basedrestoration team. Or if the bad
guy is somehow able to transferthat home out of your name into

(01:50:46):
someone else's name and thenbegin getting loans on it, The
US based restoration team fromHometown Aloc is gonna spend a
million bucks in legal fees orwhatever it takes to get that
home back into your name, whichto me is worth its weight in
gold.

Speaker 1 (01:50:59):
I see. So that that makes sense. That makes sense.
So, okay. So the URL, and I'llput this up in in the
description for the show, it'sjust hometitlelock.com/seth.
And if they use the or if you ifyou use a promo code seth, then
you get a free title historyreport and a free trial of the
triple lock protection. And it'sI mean, to me, it's it seems

(01:51:23):
like it's a I guess people arevery familiar with identity
theft protection Yeah. You know,services that you can sign up
for, and they'll notify you ifsomeone uses your Social
Security number to open a creditcard or a line of credit or get
an auto loan. So it's kind of itseems like it's the same
principle, except it just it'sapplied to your home.

Speaker 3 (01:51:42):
Exactly. It's the exact same idea, and God
willing, you'll never need it.Right? But I have a smoke
detector in every room of myhouse and hopefully my house
doesn't catch on fire, but Isleep better knowing that that
smoke detector is there kind oflooking out for me even when I'm
not paying attention to it. It'sone less thing I need to think
about.
I'm a home title lock subscribermyself. Again, my largest asset
is the equity in my house. Icannot afford to have that

(01:52:04):
stolen from me.

Speaker 1 (01:52:06):
Makes perfect sense. So, Tom, thank you again, for
giving us your time. Make sure,as I mentioned, that all the
links we talked about are in theshow description. And, it's been
nice talking to you, and I'mstill kind of envious over your
book collection behind you,which is, which is quite
impressive there. So

Speaker 3 (01:52:21):
Alright. Well, Seth, it's still great talking to you,
and please let me know if I canever do anything for you.

Speaker 1 (01:52:24):
Great. Thank you very much.

Speaker 3 (01:52:26):
Alright. Take care, buddy.

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