Somali Fraud Sparks Mass Tax Revolt—Americans Are Done Funding Criminals w/ Todd Callender

In this episode, Todd Callender joins me to break down how massive fraud tied to Somali-run programs has become a tipping point for American taxpayers. As evidence of systemic abuse piles up and accountability remains nonexistent, more people are questioning whether paying taxes has crossed from civic duty into moral complicity. We explore why trust in government is collapsing, how humiliation and fraud are fueling calls for a tax revolt, and what happens when Americans decide they are done funding a system that no longer serves them.

 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:15):
Welcome to Man in America, a voice of reason in a
world gone mad. I'm your host,Seth Holehouse. A recent
timeline of events happenedwhich honestly has the power to
drastically change the course ofthis country. These events are
to be simplified. A YouTubecitizen journalist named Nick

(00:38):
Shirley exposed massive levelsof fraud in the Somali daycares
in Minnesota.
Now his video of exposing thisfraud has gotten over a
100,000,000 views, verysignificant. And what he has
done, though, is that he hashelped a lot of Americans

(00:58):
realize that a large amount oftaxpayer money is actually being
stolen, not just by the corruptpoliticians, but by people,
foreign individuals, and alsoAmericans, but a lot of
foreigners coming in thiscountry finding loopholes in the
system, exploiting thoseloopholes, and literally

(01:20):
stealing tens of millions,hundreds of millions, and
billions of dollars from theAmerican people in our taxpayer
our tax money. Now what'shappened though is as people
started to to calculate and seethe scale of this fraud, people
started asking a very soberquestion. If such a large chunk

(01:43):
of our taxpayer money isactually being mishandled and
misused, and it's gettingfunneled into fraudulent
activities that are also thengetting funneled back into
politicians pockets, why am Ipaying my taxes? Why am I
contributing to this fraudulentsystem?
Because in America, we have thisidea that if you work hard and

(02:06):
you participate in the socialcontract of being honest, having
a good business, working hard,and getting ahead, that you can
succeed. It's the Americandream. But what happens when
that dream no longer works? Whathappens when the people that are
actually achieving the Americandream of independence, you know,
being able to retire at whateverage they want to and have

(02:27):
generational wealth, whathappens when that's being
achieved through stealing andcheating and actually through
stealing the taxpayer money. Anda lot of America's been asking
this question, so what we'veseen happen over the course of
the last week or two is you'reseeing a viral movement of

(02:48):
people saying, I'm done payingfederal taxes.
Now this show is not gonna belegal advice. It's not tax
advice. Do your own research.I'm not advising you to, you
know, take a particular stance.I'm just presenting the
information to you in a way thathelps you make sense of it, you
can make whatever decisions aregood for you, not necessarily
for a corrupt federalgovernment.

(03:10):
So this is really, reallysignificant because it's not
just some little grassrootsthings and some alt, you know,
alternative right accountssaying, hey, we're not gonna do
this. Literally, Marjorie TaylorGreene, even Elon Musk are
bringing attention to thisissue, which is a very, very
significant issue. Because ifyou look at the methods that

(03:31):
have been used to enslave theAmerican people and to keep us
under such stress and tension sothat we'll accept whatever the
politicians give us becausewe're just so tired. A lot of
that system, a lot of thosechains are tied into the
taxation of the people, whichhasn't always been like that in

(03:52):
this country. In 1913, thatchanged pretty drastically,
which we'll be talking about intoday's show.
And so joining me is my goodfriend, Todd Callender. He's an
attorney. Very, very smart guy.He actually does a lot of
international business,understands insurance and tax
exceptionally well. He's anattorney.
And he I forget which specific,area he studied, but he's a

(04:15):
smart guy, and so we're gonna betalking about the implications
of what's happening. How doesthis shape the future of
America? What happens if a goodchunk of Americans just say, I'm
opting out of the system? Now wealso know that, you know,
president Trump has talked aboutending federal income tax. I
mean, he's talked openly.
I'll play one of clips intoday's show about this. So this

(04:35):
is a pretty big shift in wherethings are going, and there's
actually a lot of excitement inthis because it's a movement
that I feel of people that arereclaiming sovereignty, and
they're saying, look, I'm done.I'm done feeding this beast of a
system. I'm done. And actually,if you look at what's often

(04:55):
caused massive corrupt systemsto fail, it's when the people
collectively say, we're gonnastop supporting that system.
So pretty significant stuffgoing on, which I think you're
gonna really enjoy. Honestly,it's like I just finished the
interview with Todd, and it'sone of the the best
conversations I've had in sometime. It's really, really
inspiring, actually. Now, beforewe jump in, one thing I do wanna

(05:18):
hit on is if you're looking athow we've been enslaved, it has
been through this fiat currency.It has been through the
inflation of our currency, thetaxation of our currency, and
this is why I'm a big believerin doing what you can to keep
your assets outside of thatcurrency.
Not to mention that there's alot of indicators that the

(05:38):
currency is approaching thishyperinflation stage where our
dollar is worth less and lessand less. And that's reflected.
If you look at the price ofprecious metals, that's an
indicator that the dollar israpidly losing its value because
the systems that they have usedto suppress the prices of silver
and gold are breaking. And weand, you know, so if you've been
following what's happening withsilver as an example, over the

(05:59):
past couple of days, it was wellover $80 an ounce. You know,
this time last year, I think itwas around 25 or $30 an ounce.
Now I've been, you know,recommending for a long time
now, hey. If you have a littlemoney, put it into some precious
metals. Put it into someprecious metals, not because
it's as an investment andthey're calling a huge return.
It's about securing yourself andhaving a safety net that's

(06:20):
outside this dollar fiat systembecause we know that fiat
currencies never live forever.They always collapse.
They always die. There's a lifecycle to a fiat currency. And
there's a lot of people, myselfincluded, think that the
American dollar as a fiatcurrency is reaching the end of
that cycle. And so that's why Ilook at this metal here, silver
gold as well, but silver rightnow, for a lot of reasons, I

(06:41):
recommend more than gold, as oneof the the most important safety
nets that you can have, not tomention the investment
opportunity, which, again, doyour own research as a isn't
investment advice, but even akey Bank of America analyst came
out, I think, in the past coupleof days saying that he thinks
that silver could go up to$39,390 an ounce by the end of
the year. And a lot of expertsI'm following are saying it

(07:03):
could easily surpass a $102,100dollars an ounce in 2026.
Right now, it's you know, atcurrent price, it is I'll pull
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it's high, but it's I think ithas much more room to go up
higher. So if you've been on thefence, if you've been thinking

(07:24):
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(07:45):
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(08:06):
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(08:27):
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(08:48):
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[phone]. So, alright.Let's go ahead and dive into
this discussion with ToddCounter.
I think you're gonna like it,and if you like it, make sure
you share, make sure you hitthat thumbs up. If you're
watching on Rumble, thank youfor supporting our free speech
platform, and just enjoy theshow. I guarantee by the end of

(09:09):
it, you're gonna have a smile onyour face. If you're not, let me
know in the comments, and I'llI'll weep as I read your sad
comments. So mister ToddCallender, it's so good to see
you.
I always enjoy our discussion.This is the first discussion
that we're having this year, andwe've got some exciting things
to talk about. So thank you forbeing here. As as I said, I'm
I'm just just overjoyed when weget to sit down together and

(09:32):
just talk about what'shappening.

Speaker 2 (09:35):
Yeah. Me too. Fireside chat without the fire.
Glad to be here, so thank youfor having me.

Speaker 1 (09:40):
Yeah. And judging by your background, I think that,
you know, a fireside chat wouldquickly get a little
uncomfortable. So maybe, youknow, an oceanside chat for you
might be a little better. Well,

Speaker 2 (09:50):
I was thinking more bonfire. But, yeah, we can still
do that.

Speaker 1 (09:54):
There we go. So the main thing that I wanna talk
about today is tax and what'shappening with the tax revolt,
the Somali kind of issues blownup, in Minnesota, which is now
being exposed in Ohio and thethings happening in California,

(10:15):
and just the bigger picture. ButI wanna start with I've got one
little chart here. I wanna pullthis up. Just to just to frame
this discussion, this is, offof, Twitter, kind of Arthur
McWaters.
He says, let me get thisstraight. In 1913, zero American

(10:36):
families paid income tax. In2025, every family paid income
tax. Well, I guess the ones thatfiled and and whatnot. And about
two thirds of it just coveredfraud.
He says, We have become a taxfarm for politicians to enrich
themselves and anyone who theycan import to vote from them. So

(10:57):
here, this right here is showingthe percent of households filing
an income tax return. And thisis it's kind of wild because
there are a lot of things thatwe do in our life that we're
just we think that's just how itis. Right? We're just, Oh,
that's always always it's alwaysbeen.

(11:19):
But you go back in time and, no,that's not how it's always been.
And if you think about theamount of our money that gets
taxed, it's not just you payyour income tax. I mean, think
about it, right? You've got So,say I go and I make, you know, a
$100, right? That that initiallyget that gets taxed, income,

(11:41):
state, obviously, propertytaxes, you know, school taxes,
all those taxes.
I then go buy something withwhat's left of that. I go buy
something, and I'm gonna pay taxon the sale of that thing, on
the purchase, I might have it.If I'm going to, say I want to
resell it, they're gonna tax meon reselling it, and say I have

(12:02):
some money left, and then say, Iwant to then gift that, or say I
pass away, and that becomes partof my estate. There's an estate
tax. So it's taxed as it passesto my children.
And I don't know the exactnumber, but it seems like if you
add up all of those taxes, atthe end of the day, maybe we get
20%, which is actually ours.Obviously, you know, it's they

(12:24):
say, oh, income tax is only xamount. But once you run it
through the entire system oftaxes, they are stealing so much
money from us. What are yourthoughts on that, Todd?

Speaker 2 (12:36):
Well, you know it's bad when there's such a thing as
a surtax, which is a tax on atax. And at this very moment, at
this very moment in time,Canada's top tier taxation is
97% on income. 97%. So thirtyplus years ago, I was a young
lawyer working in Poland undoingthe Soviet model economy. The

(12:59):
Russians had left, and they leftbehind a 94% tax rate, which is
so which is to say that Canadais more communist, more Soviet
than the freaking Soviets were,but we're not far off.
And there is a giant NGO calledthe OECD, the Organization for
Economic CooperativeDevelopment, which is a global

(13:20):
tax net whereby most peopledon't know that your bankers
amongst others have beenreporting everything financial
about you into this giant OECDtax matrix where everything your
own is reported and now trackedsuch that it's not just a
function of filing your returns.If you don't file your returns,

(13:42):
they'll file them for you orcertainly tax you as though you
had filed them. So it's it's outof control. It's no longer us
paying money for governmentgoods and services. It's
actually slaves, paying homageto the monarchs that control us.

Speaker 1 (13:59):
Exactly. Well and and we haven't even talked about
inflation because there's a Ithink it was actually, let me
see. I'll let me see. I thinkthere was a if I remember
correctly, there was a quotefrom, is it Lennon? I think it
was.
Let me see. Let me see if I canfind it really quickly here.
That he had said yeah, actually,he said the Just upon a quick

(14:27):
search here, the way to crushthe bourgeois is to grind them
between the millstones oftaxation and inflation. Also
noting how governments useinflation to, quote, secretly
and unobservedly confiscate theprosperity of And their so, I
mean, if you look at it, I thinkthis is one of the key ways that

(14:50):
we've been enslaved, and that'sa lot of what we're trying to do
here, is through theseconversations and these
discussions and research, is tofigure out how is it they've
actually put us in these chains,and how can we undo those
chains, right?

Speaker 2 (15:03):
Yeah. Well, with the aiding and abetting of people in
government, people in positionsthat make decisions, to the
detriment of us vis a vis 1913with the income tax act.

Speaker 1 (15:16):
Exactly. But what's interesting, and this is what
I'm really excited to to hearyour thoughts on, is that the
Somali fraud issue, which Ithink most people that aren't
just completely, under rock haveseen, has blown up, and people
are realizing that there is aninsane amount of money in our

(15:38):
country, that our tax money isactually going just to And pay I
think I have another chart here.Let's see.

Speaker 2 (15:46):
As though Doge wasn't bad enough. USAID, the waste is
mind boggling.

Speaker 1 (15:53):
Exactly. So here, Okay, so here, let me see. I got
a few different bits ofinformation. And someone here
said, Okay. So, this Peter Ongesaid, If you cut
$1,500,000,000,000 in fraud, youcould exempt all income taxed up
to $200,000 And so there's achart here that's saying,

(16:15):
looking at the cumulative incometax revenue by income bracket.
And again, again, same guyArthur McWatters says, This is
shocking. The US collects$2,400,000,000,000 in income
tax, but spends$1,500,000,000,000 on fraud.
Now, I don't know exactly wherethe 1,500,000,000,000.0 number
has come from. So I'm

Speaker 2 (16:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (16:35):
Assuming that, you know, this is a viral post that
got millions of views thatpeople were vetting this. But,
again, do your own research. Butagain, he's saying, If we didn't
have to pay for the fraud, only900,000,000,000 would be needed
need to be collected. This meansanyone with less than 500,000 in
income could pay literally $0 inincome tax. Here's the key
point, we don't need to raisetaxes, we need to cut fraud.

(16:56):
So this is I mean, this is apretty harsh blow to people that
are already experiencing thestruggle of living in America in
2026, and how difficult it isfinancially for a lot of
American families to thenrealize that a lot of the money
that is being pulled out oftheir paycheck every month is
actually just going towardsfraud. And that fraud is going
in the pockets of governmentsand NGOs and

Speaker 2 (17:17):
Well, Seth, government is a fraud. Okay. So
what what are your tax dollarsdoing for you? People don't even
understand the simplest part ofthis. Money is deducted from
your paycheck, and you think,well, at least I'm getting some
services, fire, school,whatever, some governments,
maybe even in health care out ofyour taxes.

(17:38):
They don't understand your taxesdon't go to any of those. Your
taxes only go to pay theinterest on a loan that our
government took out from thebankers. So all of the money is
going to the IMF, World Bank,Bank International Settlements
to pay interest on the debt.That's it. Your taxes aren't
going to pay for any of theservices.

(17:58):
It's a debt model economy. So ifyou were to simply cut out the
bankers who are not onlycollecting all this money, the
interest on it, but they're alsothe ones creating inflation.
They're the ones printing moneyout of thin air, which is what
gives rise to inflation, butparticularly when it's not tied
to anything of value, gold orland or even oil, that's all

(18:19):
gone now. It's just a bunch ofprinting presses and them
fooling us into thinking we'regetting consideration for the
taxes paid, that there's a quidpro quo. There is none.
There's none. I challenge yourviewers to sit here and think
and say, what am I getting? Whatam I actually getting out of the

(18:39):
government in return for my taxrevenues? And they can't answer
that question because it doesn'texist. What we're getting is
fraud.
We're getting fraud out of this.And so if you look at it, it's
really a criminal enterprisebecause you have a silent
partner that takes the vastmajority of the money that you
earn. They don't do anything tohelp you earn it. And if you
don't pay it at the point of agun, they're gonna take it, or

(19:02):
they're going to take yourstuff, or they will take your
liberty. In what way is that arepresentative government
government?

Speaker 1 (19:10):
Exactly. Well, one thing that, you know, came to
mind, you mentioned that, whatare we getting for? So my wife
is from Australia. Australia, Ithink most people know Australia
is a, you know, closer to whatyou'd be you consider a
socialist country. Right?
Very heavy taxation But how it'sbut it's interesting because
when she came here and when herfamily has visited, we've talked

(19:31):
about, you know, the taxation,they're blown away by some of
the things that we're payingtaxes on, the amount of taxes
we're paying. But over there,what my wife has told me, she
says, Look, yeah, the taxes arepretty high. Mean, it feels like
it's about equal to America. Butover in Australia, the streets
are well maintained. The citiesare Everything's very beautiful

(19:51):
looking.
You don't have this Like, you goto most major cities here,
they're falling apart. The roadsare falling apart. But also,
there, you get health care. Soyou're covered as part of what
your taxes pay for are you get,in essence, free health care.
And we also know that now healthcare the cost of health care is
skyrocketing in America.

(20:13):
And we know that that, you know,they're the health care industry
is making a killing off ofpeople. And so it's like, yeah.
It's like we have the reallyheavy taxation, but there's
there's, like, nothing to showfor it, actually, except for a
bunch of Somali daycares.

Speaker 2 (20:29):
So I guess you could get daycare to answer my
question. You could go getdaycare. Exactly. From Somali
immigrants who don't speakEnglish. Yeah.
Good.

Speaker 1 (20:39):
Exactly. So I wanna pull up because you're kind of
in talking about, okay, what istaxation, right? So, there's an
article on this website, TFTC.It says, Taxation is a
humiliation ritual. And I thinkthis is really important.
Says, You're mad as hell. Areyou gonna do anything about it?
So Marty's bent. So this is apost from Marty Bent, who is

(21:01):
actually the author of this,who's based out of Texas. It
says, Taxation is a humiliationritual.
Work hard to get paid in acurrency that is continually
debased. Pay exorbitant taxes onthose wages and watch them get
handed to foreigners who wereushered in the country for votes
that are used to tax you more.And I'll I'll read a few
paragraphs of this. I'd love tohear your thoughts on it. He

(21:23):
says, this has been anobjectively illuminating,
enraging, and humiliating weekfor the American taxpayer.
A 23 year old YouTube journalistby the name of Nick Shirley
dropped an investigative reporton the child day care and
medical transportation fraudtaking, taking place in
Minneapolis, Minnesota by theinsurgent Somali community,
which has been greatly supportedby Democratic leadership in the

(21:45):
state and at the federal level.I'm sure most of you have seen
the story already and understandthe details. If not, you need to
get from out from under the rockonce in a while. He's using the
same kind of thinking there. Sohe says, instead of focusing on
the details of the story, let'sexplore the fact that taxation
in The United States is nothingmore than a humiliation ritual.
We are told that paying taxes isour civic duty to make sure that

(22:08):
we can have roads, pay forhealth care, veteran services,
the military, and a litany ofother feel good services. In
reality, it seems our taxdollars are being funneled to
immigrants and the politicianswho brought them in for votes
via low effort fraud schemesthat are grotesquely offensive
to the sensibilities of everyhardworking American who has
grown up to believe they'reholding up their end of the

(22:30):
social contract that comes withliving in this country. I won't
pretend like I've ever fullybelieved in the legitimacy or
the validity of this socialcontract. If you've been reading
this law this rag for longenough, you understand that I
loathe the federal government.However, I didn't believe it was
this bad.
Grotesquely offensive. I thinkthat's the only way to describe

(22:50):
what has been laid bare over thelast week. What's worse is that
for some reason or another,Nick's video was a straw that
broke the camel's back. Thisexact fraud has been reported on
multiple times since at least2018. I really like how he
frames it.
It's a humiliation ritual.

Speaker 2 (23:07):
Yeah. It is. It absolutely is. And it's not
small money. That's, I guess,the part of the humiliation part
is how is it that we didn't knowthis?
I think one of these people wascollecting a 100, a $100,000,000
or something in thatneighborhood for their day care
centers or four of them or so.That's huge money in in what way

(23:29):
is a 100,000,000 justify daycare? It's it's absurd, and that
is humiliating. The fact that wedidn't do anything about it
since 2018 is by itselfhumiliating. It's really tragic.

Speaker 1 (23:43):
It it is. But I think also that, you know, when he
says you're mad as hell, are yougonna do anything about it?
Think that, like, that's what'swhat's happening now is I think
that for some reason, the Somalithing, it's like it it like
burst the seal that was keepingthe pressure in. And so now what
we're seeing is actually a veryviral kind of idea of a tax

(24:06):
revolt, which I really want todig into with you. I've got two
more short videos I want toshow.
One is, this is a video that,Elon Musk shared. So, think
about this. You know, thinkingabout the reach of Elon Musk. So
this video got, you know,12,000,000 views. Let's just
listen to this really quickbecause this it's it's a minute

(24:26):
thirty seven.
This is some American girl onTikTok, but I've heard I have
one more video after this toshow that the American people
are hitting a breaking point. Solet's just give her a listen.

Speaker 3 (24:38):
Yeah. I wanna talk about how the average American
is starting to feel as majorcorruption is being exposed,
especially now with the case inMinnesota and the daycare fraud.
This is not just about moneybeing stolen anymore. It's about
a growing feeling that being agood citizen, being a
hardworking person, paying yourtaxes may not be worth it.
People are starting to feelstupid.

(25:00):
They think, well, I'm here. I'mplaying by the rules. I am
working hard. I'm providing formy family. I'm doing the hard
work, and I'm the idiot.
You see the memes online and welaugh, you know, like, oh, me on
my way to work thinking that Ishould have just opened a
daycare center in Minnesota andmade millions. And again, it is
funny, but it's also deeply sad.Because the next thing is, why

(25:21):
am I even doing this? And that'sthe part that no one wants to
talk about because this kind offeeling shapes culture. I come
from Brazil as you know, and inBrazil we have this thing we
call the Brazilian way, which isthe idea that there's always a
shortcut.
There's always a loophole, a wayto take advantage of a
situation. And people think itcomes out of nowhere. Oh, it's
just the Brazilian way ofliving. No. This comes from

(25:43):
years of Brazilian people beingrobbed and nothing being done
with the thieves.
So we now think that survivalmeans cheating the system before
it cheats you. Eventually,people stop believing that being
honest is rewarded. When asociety teaches its citizens
that being honest makes you aloser, well, that's really
dangerous. You don't just losemoney. You lose trust.

(26:04):
You lose dignity. You lose theculture that holds it all
together. And once that's gone,it's really hard to get back.

Speaker 2 (26:13):
Boy, is she right. That's absolutely brilliant.
Boy, she nailed it. How does howdoes the government regain
trust? And it's not just ourgovernment.
It it's all governments. Youlook at Europe is falling apart.
I'm playing if I was justwriting to a French lawyer about
tax in France, and those peopleare ready for a revolution. The

(26:36):
last one was mighty bloody. Ithink they beheaded people for
seven years.
That's where this goes. Whenpeople lose faith and trust in
governance, they will find a wayto the exclusion of those
holding power. How aboutCeausescu, right, in Romania,
clung to power, took everythingfrom people, was speaking in the
morning, and by that afternoon,he was being executed with his

(26:57):
wife. It happens like that.That's the danger, and she's got
it exactly right.

Speaker 1 (27:03):
I also think that she made an important point about
how this changes the culture.Because you and I were talking
before we started recordingabout what is America and what
America stands for. And Americawas you know, has always been
perceived as being the land ofopportunity. If you come and you
work hard, and you're an honestperson, that you can actually

(27:27):
you can rise above whateversocial caste or wherever you are
on the ladder, and that you canclimb with that ladder through a
shared and understood andrespected set of principles of
just hard work, ingenuity,etcetera. But what happens to a
culture when that doesn't existanymore?
When people no longer believethat being honest and working

(27:48):
hard is the way to succeed, butwhere they also believe that
actually doing that means thatyou're a fool. How does that how
does that shape a country?

Speaker 2 (27:59):
Well, it shapes the destruction of it, and and you
got it precisely right. Believe.Governance only works when you
actually believe in it as asystem, and when you don't,
right, that's when you haveeffectively piracy. So when we
see our elected selectedofficials, you know, that were
were taken out of a a bartendingjob. They become a

(28:22):
representative of the federallevel and go from $0 to
30,000,000 in four years.
It's obvious that they arehelping themselves, right? To
the exclusion of you. So itreally it becomes so obvious to
us all that our government is anillusion of choice. We're voting
for the paradigm of one party orthe other to the exclusion of

(28:46):
any other choice. Both sides arealways controlled.
Both sides yield the sameresult. So it must necessarily
end in the same way, which isthat the entirety of the
government structure, theapparatus, was is discounted.
And and that's where we are.That that's where people are at
this point. Like, it's hardlyany different than Bud Light

(29:06):
having the transvestite as aspokesperson.
People didn't want it, so theyused their dollars and said,
we're not buying Bud Light. Itnearly bankrupted the company.
The exact same scenario existshere, and I've been watching it
for many years with the statenationals. People said, I don't
wanna be a citizen of The UnitedStates anymore. I am and was a
citizen of the state where Ilive, and it's got a

(29:28):
constitution.
It is a sovereign, and I don'tmind paying state taxes because
at least I'm getting somethingfor it. But they actually
resigned their US citizenship infavor of their state
citizenship, and I know peoplethat have gotten passports. They
stopped paying federal incometax, and it's it's not a few
people that I know that havedone this. It's a lot. At the
time when I was really lookinginto the legal justification for

(29:50):
it was 25,000,000 Americans thatopted out of the federal
taxation system.
Imagine if that becomescontagious as a result of this
Somali fraud.

Speaker 1 (30:00):
That's a it's a really good point. And I know
this is something that I'veexplored a lot, just to kind of
limit my discussion on itpublicly, but I know that.

Speaker 2 (30:09):
Sure.

Speaker 1 (30:10):
I've had Anna Venersteel on talking about this

Speaker 2 (30:12):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (30:13):
And how there's people that have just said, I'm
I'm done. I'm opting out. Thatthere there are actually there
are loopholes in the legality ofit that you can

Speaker 2 (30:22):
There is.

Speaker 1 (30:23):
You know, exploit or you can benefit from, where you
basically just say that I'm notgonna I'm not gonna pay into
this system. And I think that,you know, say five or ten years
ago, you might look at it andsay, look, you know, going back
to the original constitution,everything, it's like from the
very get go, it wasunconstitutional to bring in
this income tax. But then whenyou look at how these taxes are

(30:43):
being used now, it's all youknow, I'm seeing a lot of people
actually. I'm seeing a lot ofdiscussion as we're you know,
we'll kind of discuss more ofthis kind of national tax
strike. I'm seeing a lot ofpeople that are saying, I can no
longer be complicit in thiscriminal behavior, because
that's a different perspective.
It's one thing to say

Speaker 2 (31:00):
It is.

Speaker 1 (31:01):
Look, it's unconstitutional to take this
much of my money, and and it'snot, you know, I'm a I'm a
sovereign individual, my rightscome from God. I don't agree
with this. That's one angle thata lot of people take. But then
the other angle that I'm seeingis people literally saying, The
money that they're taking fromme is being used to commit
illegal activities, right, tocommit crime, fraud, any number

(31:25):
of things. And so it's a it's amoral dilemma to say, Is that is
it the is it the righteous thingfor me to do to refuse to give
money to this, an enterprisethat is using it for criminal
purposes?
It's a very valid point.

Speaker 2 (31:44):
Yeah. It is a valid point. And and that goes to the
whole point of of what is thelegitimacy of government in any
event? What? When you havegovernors for sake of argument,
I've seen the evidence involvedwith cartels partaking in
trafficking of people ornarcotics or other such things,
illegal things.

(32:04):
And you could use Maduro as anexample, That was state
sanctioned drug running amongstother things. Then what is the
validity of the governmentitself? In what way is that
valid? Simply because somebodyis official, because they were
appointed, because they wear asash across their chest? Does
that make it official?
And when you go down this road,which you come to understand is

(32:26):
what I was saying a minute ago,that that governance generally
is an illusion. It it's reallyup to us. And while it is true
that we need people to makenational decisions and state
decisions and protect oursociety, it all begins with a
simple act of marking out aterritory, putting your stakes
down and saying, we are going tojointly defend and jointly

(32:47):
exploit this. And when it goesbeyond that is when you see the
the sovereignty start todisappear. When government goes
into business, it's over.
And what do we see now? Thanksto Obama, by the way. Public
private partnerships is thedefinition of fascism. Prior to
him, business was business.Government didn't invest in

(33:08):
business.
It might award contracts, but itwasn't an equity participant.
Now we see the people in theCDC, the FDA, that own patents
on drugs that are being forcedon people, and they are
economically rewarded forforcing the drugs on people.
That is the definition offascism, and that's where we are

(33:28):
now. So every time I hear thisstupid phrase, public private
partnership, I wanna pukebecause that's the very system
of governance I helped undo whenthe Soviets left Poland more
than thirty years ago. If So youwanna look see what that looks
like, look at the Soviet Union.
Everything falling down,infrastructure crap, people

(33:49):
drinking all day, takethemselves out of the misery. In
fact, in the military in Russia,they were given a liter of vodka
every day per person just tokeep them pacified. That's where
we're headed.

Speaker 1 (34:03):
Man, it's it's what it's it's an important
discussion to have because asyou and I have often discussed,
this all comes down to our ownfree will. And it comes down to
whether we are complicit,whether we will continue to
participate, whether it'swhether you wear a mask, whether
it's you follow Foundress'smedical advice, or whether it's

(34:27):
you participating in the taxsystem. These are still as much
as they want just like themandates. Right? You know, under
Biden, they had these mandates.
Oh, you must keep keep your job.If you wanna keep your job, you
got to get the latest booster.Right?

Speaker 2 (34:40):
Right.

Speaker 1 (34:41):
No one as far as I know, no one was ever forced
into that. No one was ever helddown under duress and had this
this thing shoved into theirarm. Right? It was still well,
maybe the the military, right,perhaps, it was happening. But
in terms of, like, the

Speaker 2 (34:56):
The yeah.

Speaker 1 (34:56):
The general public, right, it was still our our own
choice.

Speaker 2 (34:59):
That was the plan.

Speaker 1 (35:00):
Right? Oh,

Speaker 2 (35:01):
you're right. Their plan. Use of force was
authorized

Speaker 1 (35:05):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (35:05):
In the military, and we saw their plan. And the plan
was to use militaries to forcepeople to take the shots. But
you're right. I'm only aware oftwo instances. One was a
prisoner, and one was a servicemember where they were actually
held down and forced to take theshots.

Speaker 1 (35:20):
That makes sense. I I okay. But, you know, in general,
though, it's it's what this goesback to is it's up to We The
People. As much as we feel likethere's this big system, it's
really up to the collective

Speaker 2 (35:34):
need us.

Speaker 1 (35:34):
People. Exactly.

Speaker 2 (35:36):
They need us. They there is no productivity. If we
don't participate, the wholething falls apart. So the
ramifications of of simply notpaying your taxes, when it when
it becomes a large number ofpeople, that's really bad. But
what it represents is moredangerous, and that is we're

(35:56):
done with this, this facade.
We see it for what it is, and wedon't respect it. We're no
longer afraid of it becausethere's nothing to lose. You've
taken everything I've got. I'llput my productivity over here
doing something differentbecause I'm not paying you to
defraud me. That's the naturalconclusion that comes next.

Speaker 1 (36:17):
It is. And that's what's happening. So you
mentioned what happened if moreand more people catch on to the,
you know, kind of state nationalYeah. Movement. Right?
But what we're also seeing isthis very, very viral tax
revolt. It's how you have a taxrevolt. And so I I wanna share
some stuff on this. So there'sone video, this guy, Andy

(36:41):
Frisella. This clip went veryviral, and I saw a lot of these
discussions happening over theport over the course of the past
week or so.
So I'm gonna play this. It'sabout a minute and a half, Just
to hear this because this isagain, these are important
words. I I think he might sweara few times. I I might go back
go back in and afterwards andkinda edit them out to make it
still PG, but let let's let'sgive him a listen.

Speaker 4 (37:03):
Things could be so different, but we have a group
of entitled rulers, quoteunquote, that believe that they
rule over us and they take halfof our entire lives. And then
when you die, they take 60% ofwhat you accumulated and have
already paid taxes on. We arenot free. There is no difference

(37:26):
between what we do here and whatthey do in North Korea, where
they tell them, oh, you're free.We're the greatest.
We're the best. But they can'tsee what the fuck is going on
anywhere. Okay. Most Americanshave never been out of the
country. No.
And if they have, it's tofucking Mexico or Canada. Don't
count. Okay. They've never beenoff this continent. Exactly,
bro.

(37:46):
They have. This is this is allbullshit. This is all bullshit.
There's a reason that thewealthiest people in the world
are moving to Dubai and placesin the Far East. There is a
reason for it.
Taxation was never meant to be apermanent thing anyway. No. And
it just went more and more andmore and more. Do 20 year old
kids in 1776 literally killedmotherfuckers over 3% tax. On T.

(38:12):
Yeah. And what are we doing?Yeah. Yeah. Tax me harder,
daddy.
Yeah. Oh, well, I don't know. Idon't wanna disrupt. I don't
wanna rock the boat.Motherfucker, if you don't rock
the boat, there ain't gonna beno boat.
Yeah. But if I don't pay taxes,Andy, how will the Somalians
start their daycares and takecare of all those Somali kids?
Every American should highlyconsider organizing and not
paying fucking tax, period.

Speaker 1 (38:32):
So Wow. Yeah. I will have to clip that up a little
bit, you know, make it PG.

Speaker 2 (38:37):
But little sporty.

Speaker 1 (38:38):
But this is what's interesting is I I started
seeing this going around. Peopletalking on on Twitter about this
idea of a tax revolt that I saw.Marjorie Taylor Greene, she's
talking about it. Mean, she'sshe's a big account. Elon Musk
sharing videos about this.
Then you can see it even asthere's a Fox News host talking
about how people are gonna juststop paying taxes. And so Yeah.

(39:00):
You you could see this momentumbuilding, you know, similar to
it's like the the the, you know,the tea act. Right? You know,
we're tossing tea into theriver.
Right? It's, sorry, into theocean. So but I wanna pull
something else up.

Speaker 2 (39:14):
But I I I wanna

Speaker 1 (39:15):
I'll let I'll let you, I wanna I wanna hear your
response then before I before Ijump may keep moving on.

Speaker 2 (39:20):
Yeah. I've I've seen this before. In my in my life,
in my work, I've seen the thedeath of nations, and and it
happens, but there's there's areally important thing to bear
in mind here, and that is and hehe alludes to it. If you're
paying property tax, you don'town your property because if you
don't pay the tax, somebody elseis gonna take it. So, again, it

(39:42):
goes back to this illusion ofownership.
And and, again, back when I wasPoland, I I used to skydive, and
I I found this drop zone inPoland that was run by a bunch
of former Spetsnaz soldiers fromRussia. Former because the
Russians had just left, and wewere riding up in the airplane,
and they were singing this songabout being free. It was a
Russian, military song. Freedomfrom the motherland guarantees

(40:05):
our freedom, free this, freethat. And and it was such a joke
that one of the guys said, wegotta stop doing this.
We're not gonna sing this songanymore because the lie
perpetuated throughout, youknow, generations in Russia.
They fooled these people intothinking they're free when in in
no such way they were. So whathave these guys quit? Yep.

(40:25):
Russia had to compete forcitizens as you see Vladimir
Putin trying to get people tocome back.
Right? How do you do that? Youhave to compete for your tax
base. That's why they'reimporting people, creating a new
tax base. Because if you ignoreyour people, they will leave.
And that's exactly what happenedwith these Russians I used to
jump with. They left. And that'sthe what happens is a nation

(40:50):
dies. The same thing inVenezuela when I was working
there twenty years ago. The thecountry nationalized the oil
companies, and what happened isthe intellectual capital left
the country because theycouldn't use their brains to
support this communist nonsense,so they left.
That's what happens, and this isdangerous. This is the part I
wanna get across. This isprecisely the plan, Ordo Abcow.

(41:14):
Right? There is a new system ofgovernance waiting, and it's AI
driven.
There's no humans involved, andthe owners of this world can't
wait for us to stop paying taxesand destroy our own government.
They're waiting like this, andthey've been prepared for
decades. Because as soon as wedo that, the collapse happens,
and we're here with our solutionfor you. No more fraud. It's AI.

(41:38):
It's blockchain. Nobody cansteal because we already know
where all the assets are andthey do. So we have to be very
careful about disenfranchisingourselves from the government
completely because if we dothat, we run a huge risk that
the next system is gonna beworse than this one.

Speaker 1 (41:58):
It's a it's a good point you made, Todd. And
something, you know, when youmentioned in Venezuela that what
happened is that the theintellectual, the intelligent
people, they just left. Itreminded me of of one of my
favorite all time books. Yeah.I'm not sure if you read Atlas
Shrugged.

Speaker 2 (42:16):
Yeah. Course.

Speaker 1 (42:17):
It's a it's a big read. I highly, highly recommend
people read this book becausethis is America right now. It's
it's it's a it's a brilliantbook describing basically, a
communist takeover of a countrythrough corrupted government,
heavy taxation, through, youknow, public private
partnership, and eventually,like, the seizing of

(42:39):
intellectual capital, etcetera.And what she outlines in here is
basically that that's theoutcome, that all the
intelligent people, theybasically say, Look, we're done.
They opt out.
They find their own little placeto escape to, and they kind of
sit and just watch the countryburn. And that's what happens,
is that when you stopincentivizing creativity and
hard work and ingenuity, thepeople that have those skills

(43:01):
will take them elsewhere. Andit's a dangerous thing. It's a
dangerous thing to happen,because if it continues, as that
young woman said in the videothat Elon shared, the culture is
really at risk of turning intosomething that can be come a
downward spiral, which is notgood.

Speaker 2 (43:21):
Yeah. No. It is not good. But then it's exactly
where we're headed. So the thequestion then becomes, Seth,
what are we going to do aboutit?
And I think it goes back to thenotion that all things are
local. So one of the things thatI do like, and I love Anne, by
the way, she's a good friend anda leader. And the point is that
she's no longer supporting thefederal government. And a lot of

(43:42):
these people that we talk about,state, national, or however you
wanna describe it becausethere's a bunch of different
names to describe the samething. People that have opted
out of the federal system havenot opted out of their state
system.
They are simply making thatchoice. When I say people will
leave, that's what we're talkingabout. They're simply saying, I
this is my sovereign, thisstate. I'm paying those taxes

(44:03):
because I live here and Iactually get something out of
it. But people really struggleto understand what it is they're
getting out of the federalsystem other than a military,
which a lot of people don'tagree with anyway in what it is
that they're doing and being theworld policeman.
So that's the risk we run. Ourfederal government people have
to remember is comprised of 50states. It's the tenth amendment
to our constitution, and withoutthose there is no federal

(44:26):
government. And that's the otherdanger in this. And so the the
point I wanna make is this.
It starts local. You take overeverything locally with your
people because in in my view,it's not really to do that on a
federal level anyway. It's arigged game. You're not getting
in unless you're chosen to getin or approved to get in, but it

(44:48):
starts at the school board. Itreally does.
It starts at your city. Itstarts at your town hall. And if
you take back those organs ofpower, the states have the right
to not participate. And I thinkthat's the way things actually
have to unfold so that we can'thave a system of AI governance
rolled in and enforcing us toadopt it. Look at Tennessee is a

(45:11):
great example.
There's no more chemtrails. Wedon't care if this is a federal
program. Don't go over ourairspace. Other states have
followed suit. And while ithasn't stopped it entirely, it
has mitigated it, But that's theright way to go in all of this
is is don't let's not wholesaleabandon, governance.
It's really a function of makingsure that government's working

(45:33):
for us.

Speaker 1 (45:34):
And that and that's a that's a really important part
too because what's beingdiscussed here is a is a
national, federal income taxrevolt. It's it's really it's
going back to saying, look,we're aligning ourselves with
really what it means to be aconstitutional republic and how
the constitution establishedthat the power is is really at

(45:56):
the ground up. It's in yourlocal sheriff. It's at the local
level. It's at the state level.
And the federal governmentshould be this this small
government just to protect theborders of the nation and, you
know, to do the the core thingsthat you need a federal
government for. But it's nowgrown into this massive

Speaker 2 (46:13):
Beast.

Speaker 1 (46:14):
Behemoth that so people are saying, okay. Well,
let's just let's just cut offits food source. Right? Cut off
one of its food sources.

Speaker 2 (46:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (46:22):
But what's interesting is I a lot of
questions about this, and here'sa guy kind of summarizing what
Grock had presented. He said,according to Grock now, again,
Grock is just an AI. So but, youknow, they are they're they're
pretty they're pretty sharp. Butaccording to Grock, if everyone
stops paying taxes, the IRS haszero chance of keeping up with
it and would go down it would gointo a total meltdown.

(46:44):
Meanwhile, the US governmentwould have to concede defeat and
negotiate with the power of thepeople for tax exemption
indefinitely.
He continues. He says, This isnot rocket science, people. Just
ask for your W-four, or if yourcountry if your company's
digital, it's very easy. So thisis also an interesting point.

(47:04):
And everyone should do your ownresearch.
You know, I'm not kind of givingyou legal advice or anything
like that. Trust me. Keepstaying free, know, steering
clear clear of that. But a lotof people are salaried
employees. And by law, anemployer has to has to pull your
taxes out of your paycheck aheadof time when you can give a w

(47:25):
two.
And so a lot of people think,okay, you know, how do I get
around that? There's a quicklittle post here I wanted to
share. And this guy says, Idon't know who needs to hear
this, but when you accept a job,when you accept a job is not the
only time you can fill out a wfour. You can submit a revised w
four at any time. On the revisedw four, you can claim enough

(47:46):
exemptions to effectivelynullify any income tax
withholding, or you can simplyclaim exempt and nullify.
The first comment here isinteresting, he says, Yep, my
first paycheck that won't havefederal income tax taken out
will be next week. I've beentaxed since I was 15 years old.
Thirty years of taxation hascome to an end, and they can
suck it. And you're seeing a lotyou of, know, a lot of, support

(48:10):
from this. And so this is justan interesting point, just so
people know that, you know, forpeople that are on a w two, on a
w two, you can't just go to youremployer and say, Hey, stop
pulling my taxes out, because ifyou're w two, like, they have
to.
But you can actually switch, asfar as I understand, again, do
your own research, talk to youraccountant or whoever, you can,
switch to a w four, and you canstop that from happening. So

(48:30):
this is how a lot of people thatare on w twos are actually,
participating in this.

Speaker 2 (48:36):
It's, the w four simply informs your employer
that you'll be responsible foryour own taxation instead of
them doing it. That's all it is.It's a shift of responsibility.
And then it's up to you, right,as to what it is you're going to
do. You you get to argue thetoss.

Speaker 1 (48:53):
Makes it makes perfect sense. And so also wanna
play something here becausethis, I think, was back in, in
December. You know, Trump hasfloated the idea a lot about
replacing the IRS with the ERS,or the external revenue service.
This is something okay. It's alittle twelve twelve second
clip, but I'll play this so wecan discuss.

Speaker 2 (49:14):
That at some point in the not too distant future, you
won't even have income tax topay because the money we're
taking in is so great, it's soenormous that you're not gonna
have income tax to pay.

Speaker 1 (49:26):
So He's right. I mean, you can see

Speaker 2 (49:28):
government didn't our government never had income tax
till 1913 because it made hismoney on tariffs. So he's
probably right. Sorry. Go ahead.

Speaker 1 (49:35):
Oh, no. I was just saying that. I mean, you can see
that this is this is really inthe machine is in motion now.
And it's kind of exciting,actually, because it feels it
feels like as much as we've donerallies and stop the steal and,
you know, like, in the mandates,which are all really important,
this feels like a prettysignificant turning point that I

(49:55):
hope that more people understandhow important it is.

Speaker 2 (49:59):
I think so. And let me let me just add this to to
your calculus. Prior topresident Trump in this term,
this is really important tonote, The the World Economic
Forum wasn't just moving forwardwith globalism by itself. It was
using the organization foreconomic and cooperative
development as as thereplacement system, the one
world regulator. And whatAmericans don't understand is

(50:21):
that system's already in place.
They've already harmonizedeverybody's laws and
regulations. They gavethemselves independent taxing
authority, and they wereeffectively going to replace
nations with themselves. Whatdid president Trump do
effectively on his first day ofoffice is he reestablished our
nation's sovereignty. He closedthe borders, and he engaged with

(50:41):
immigration and law enforcement,said all these people came
illegally, gotta go out. That iscalled reestablishing your
sovereignty.
If you're not aware, presidentBiden, president Small p b is
also small, went to Mexico. On01/10/2023, he wrote the
declaration of North America,which has the effect, the
dissolution of our nation. Youmight as well call it the

(51:04):
articles of dissolution becausethat's the legal effect of it.
The end of American sovereignty,and he did it as an executive
order. Name me one person in ourfederal government says, you
don't have the right to dissolveour nation.
When you get away when you whenyou open the borders, you are
dissolving your sovereignty, andthat's what the declaration of

(51:24):
North America did. PresidentTrump came in, and regardless of
European about them, the mancame in and he reestablished our
sovereignty by closing theborders and enforcing
immigration and saying, no. Thisis The United States Of America.
This is not the North Americanarea. And he renamed the Gulf Of
Mexico Gulf Of America.

(51:45):
He deserves credit for that. Ifnothing else, he deserves credit
for that because he actuallysaved what we had left of a
republic. So I got to give theguy some credit for that. And I
also love the way that he'stalking. He obviously knows.
He's a he's a student ofhistory, and he knows that our
entire federal government ran ontariff money prior to income

(52:07):
taxes. He's got it right, and itis in fact possible to do that.
I would warn you, the whole restof the world operates on value
added tax, which is every timeAmerican hand touches those
goods or services, there's a taxapplied. It's a cascading tax,
and that's what was in store forall of us until president Trump

(52:28):
closed the borders and said, no.This is America.
We're not going with it. Andwhat did you see as a result of
that? You see other nationsdoing the same thing. It's got
back from Chile. Same thing.
The Chilean said we've hadenough of this. We're not going
with the OECD and the WorldEconomic Forum. We are Chileans
first, and I see that now inBrazil. I see that in Argentina.

(52:50):
Everywhere, sovereignty iscoming back in into people's
minds and their frame of view,and I'm really glad about that.
But I'm telling you, it wouldnot have happened but for
president Trump reestablishingour borders.

Speaker 1 (53:03):
And it's important to give credit where credit is due.
And I know that I was you know,would have considered myself a,
you know, relatively strongMAGA, in many ways. Believed in
a lot a lot of the the coreprinciples. And, also, I think,
like, a lot of people feltpretty let down, and and and
thinking, okay.

Speaker 2 (53:21):
Like, you're

Speaker 1 (53:22):
being being mocked for discussing Epstein and these
things. It didn't sit right withme. I I think I became pretty
critical of what's happening,but I'm trying to be neutral.
I'm trying not to be kindaemotional one way or other,
whether it's idol worship orwhether it is just doom and
gloom pessimism. And givingcredit where credit is due, you

(53:42):
know, Trump has done some solidthings.

Speaker 4 (53:46):
You

Speaker 1 (53:46):
know, even him talking about income tax. Like,
that's a big deal if when youunderstand the role of income
tax and how it has controlledpeople. I mean, even again, they
recently reversed the foodpyramid. Right? So we know the
standard American diet, whichhas led to diabetes and obesity,
has now been inverted.
So you're at the very top isproteins and fats. Right? It's

(54:07):
like, yes. Of course. Right?
There's good things happening.One thing that I think is really
important to highlight, which issomething that I've been really
concerned about, that Trump cameout. This made my day. This the
other day, Trump put this out.He said, for a very long time,
buying and owning a home wasconsidered the pinnacle of the
American dream.
It was the reward for workinghard and doing the right thing.

(54:29):
But now because of the recordhigh inflation caused by Joe
Biden and the Democrats inCongress, that American dream is
increasingly out of reach forfar too many people, especially
younger Americans. It is forthat reason and much more that
I'm immediately taking steps toban large institutional
investors from buying moresingle family homes, and I'll be

(54:49):
calling on Congress to codifyit. This is also interesting. He
says, people live in homes, notcorporations.
I will discuss this topic,further housing and
affordability proposals andmore, at my speech in Davos in
two weeks. So this is, like Loveit. This is pretty incredible.
Right? That

Speaker 2 (55:08):
Yes, it is.

Speaker 1 (55:09):
A, he's he's he's gonna be unveiling this in Davos
of all places.

Speaker 2 (55:13):
Fabulous.

Speaker 1 (55:14):
But if you've been following the whole all the
different indicators that leadto the outcome of you'll own
nothing and be happy, we knowthat it's become increasingly
difficult for the averageAmerican family to afford a
home, and that's been the stapleof security for the American
family. And we know that Right.A large reason why the prices
have gone up so high is becauseyou have whole neighborhoods
being bought up by was itBlackstone, BlackRock, all these

(55:38):
giant banks? So him, like, if helegitimately puts an end to
that, he, you know, he has mysupport on that issue fully.
That's that's an amazing,amazing thing to be done for the
American people.

Speaker 2 (55:49):
I I think he has to go a step further. It may not be
a a federal job to do it, butwhat I said remains true. If if
you have to pay tax to own yourproperty, then you don't own it.
Yeah. Right?
Because if you fail to pay it,somebody else gets to have your
property. So just to the point,what you said a minute ago,
Klaus Schwab et al said, you'llown nothing and be happy. The

(56:11):
operative word there is own.Right? They don't want you to
own.
That's the whole point is whenyou have pride and ownership,
when you have something, yourown self interest or that of
your family, you will dedicatetime and energy and effort into
it. But when it belongs to thestate, they don't. And then I
spent three years in Cuba,another communist nation. And
when people have nothing ofvalue to trade, do you know what

(56:34):
they trade? Information.
They knock on each other. So allthey're trying to do is stay
alive. So ownership becomesreally the hallmark of freedom,
and he's got that right.

Speaker 1 (56:48):
And if you look at all this together, I think
there's a lot of good thingsthat are happening, as much as
there's a lot of bad stuff goingon. Yeah. And We're still here.
Something we're doing here. Weare.
We are. Right? And it's funnybecause even my wife had said
the other day because, you know,we we've been pretty

(57:09):
disappointed. A lot of thingshappening under Trump, espe
again, especially the FBI, theCharlie Kirk cover up, Epstein.
I mean, there's there's a wholelaundry list of things that have
completely eroded my trust, inin this government.
But, actually, Kate made a goodpoint. And she goes, you know
what, Seth? She's like, I I'veI've found a really positive way
to feel about president Trump.Actually, I feel pretty settled

(57:31):
inside. I was like, what isthat?
She goes, he has now helped theAmerican people see that the
political system is completelybroken. It's like

Speaker 2 (57:40):
That's true.

Speaker 1 (57:41):
That's a good point. It's like a lot of people
thought Trump's gonna get backin. He's gonna turn the whole
thing on its head. He's gonnafix everything. He's gonna
arrest all the traitors.
And, you know, he's again, he'sout there saying that, you know,
Epstein's a Democrat a Democrathoax and this. And so I think
it's it it's a good thing that alot of Americans are just like,
you know what? I'm done. I'mdone with this two party

(58:02):
politics system. I'm going backto my local family.
I'm going back to things I cando. It's actually it's a really
important step, I think, insaving the future of this
nation.

Speaker 2 (58:14):
It is. And and I would add to that, and I people
have been talking about it for along time, including, Ron Paul,
who I really loved, libertarianpolitician. I think he hated
being called a politician. Butterm limits, if you allow people
to establish their positions ofpower, they will use it and
abuse it. But if you if youcan't serve for too long, then

(58:36):
that goes away.
So while you have term limitsfor the presidency, why do we
not have them everywhere else?Right? That doesn't make any
sense to me. And when you lookat the breadth and the depth of
the kind of fraud, and I haveseen it because I got
whistleblower clients who havedemonstrated it. You've got
governors on the take, attorneysgeneral on the take.

(58:57):
They've all been there longenough and they're all pals and
they all do this graft and greedthing together under the
protection of officiality.They're officials. You can't do
anything about it. But that'sgot to change. The only way to
really change it is to ensurethat there is new blood
routinely and regularly so theycan't actually take control for
a longer period of time.

(59:18):
So term limits has got to be thekey to the to the resurrection
of our government. If it will beresurrected. I don't know. I
hope. I pray.

Speaker 1 (59:26):
I'm glad you mentioned praying there, because
I've come to the conclusion thatthe only thing that will really
save the government is enoughAmerican people, I think,
getting back to virtue. We haveto correct the culture, right?
The culture that's beenintentionally destroyed by
cultural Marxism and corruptionand Satan himself. We have to

(59:49):
bring back a just a shared moralfoundation in this country and
respect

Speaker 2 (59:55):
Why you say that?

Speaker 1 (59:56):
And unity.

Speaker 2 (59:57):
Why do you say that? Listen, I gotta send it to you
again. I know I sent it to youbefore, but if you read the
communist manifesto, it's it'stitled the naked communist. It
was read into the congressionalrecord, funny enough,
01/10/1963, sixty years to theday prior to Biden dissolving
our nation. There are 45 itemsin the in the naked communist,

(01:00:18):
how to destroy The UnitedStates, and that was read into
the congressional record, and ittalks about dissolving borders,
dissolving oaths of office,dissolving the family,
dissolving trust in government,trust in leadership.
Every one of those has beenticked back. So what I'm trying
to say to you is that this hasbeen a plan. There you go. This
has been a plan for a very longtime, and here we are. We're

(01:00:43):
every one of those 45 items hasbeen ticked back.

Speaker 1 (01:00:46):
So how about let let me read through a handful of
these things because I'm gladthat you you brought you
mentioned this. And, actually,I'm around going through, I'm
I'm, relistening to there's abook that was put out by the
editorial team of The EpochTimes called, actually, I'll
I'll I'll find out. I'll pull itup real quick. It's called How
the Spectre of Communism isRuling the World. Have you have
you read that one yet?

Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
No. I haven't. I love Epoch Times. No. I've not read
that.

Speaker 1 (01:01:10):
Let me let me I'll pull it up. I'll show you. I I
highly, highly, highly recommendit. It's actually you can get it
for free too. They have thewhole thing serialized.
You can buy the actual book.This is the book itself on, the
Epoch Times shop. Actually, I'llI'll put a link to it, in the
description of the show. You canget on audiobook, on Audible,

(01:01:31):
etcetera. But it's called Howthe Spectre of Communism is
Ruling Our World.
And it is it's a three volumevolume set. It Todd, I I highly
recommend you read it. You will.Yeah. You'll love

Speaker 2 (01:01:43):
it down.

Speaker 1 (01:01:44):
Because it because it because it it merges morality in
the battle of good and evil andthe devil and Satan and now all
these things into the role ofcommunism. And it really makes
the point that actuallycommunism so it's it's the
entire how the specter ofcommunism is ruling our world.
It's not how the specter ofcommunism is ruling China and
Vietnam and Cuba or Venezuela.It's the world. And it points

(01:02:05):
out that actually the specterthe specter right?
So what's the specter ofcommunism? It's this evil entity
that's actually is rulingAmerica. It's ruling us through
heavy taxation, corruption, thecorrupt political system through
the ruling elites. It gets intoall that stuff. Really, really
good book.
But I think it's getting backover to the, the goals. So this

(01:02:27):
was put into congressionalrecord, these goals. So what he
01/10/1963,

Speaker 2 (01:02:33):
by the way, a few months before they murdered,
president Kennedy.

Speaker 1 (01:02:38):
Exactly. So it says it was under these circumstances
that, Cleon Skowzen, a formerFBI special agent turned author
and devoted anticommunist wrotethe book, The Naked Comus in
1958. In '61, Skowzen added alist to his book entitled the 45
communist goals for America.This list is his own and is
reprinted below without anychanges. And so you're right.

(01:02:59):
This was put into it saysSkowzen's list was important
enough to be read into thecongressional record by
congressman Albert Hurlong ofFlorida on 01/10/1963. So think
about this. Okay. These were thegoals that they wrote that he
wrote in 1961. Now in '61, thinkabout how different America was.

Speaker 2 (01:03:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:03:18):
So, okay. So just kinda looking through a couple
of these different, thesedifferent these goals. Three,
develop the illusion that totaldisarmament by The United States
would be a demonstration ofmoral strength. Permit free
trade between all nationsregardless of communist
affiliation in regards ofwhether or not items could be
used for war. Provide a

Speaker 2 (01:03:41):
Item 13 is a good one. Look at look at 13.

Speaker 1 (01:03:45):
13.

Speaker 2 (01:03:46):
I filed a I filed a writ qua war onto with the US
attorney on this very issuebecause we found that not a
member of the Biden cabinet hada ballot oath of office. There
you go. Eliminate loyalty oaths.

Speaker 1 (01:03:55):
Away with all loyalty oaths. Yep. 15, capture one or
both of the political parties inThe United States. Check that
off. Done.
Get control of the schools. Usethem as transmission belts for
socialism and current communistpropaganda. Soften the
curriculum, get control ofteachers associations, put the
party line in textbooks.

Speaker 2 (01:04:16):
Check.

Speaker 1 (01:04:17):
Check. Gain control of all student newspapers.
Check. Use student riots tofoment public protests against
programs or organizations whichare under communist attack.
Check, infiltrate the press, getcontrol of the book reviews of
review assignments, editorialwriting, and policy making
positions.
21, gain control of keypositions in radio, TV, and

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motion pictures. Continue tocontinue discrediting American
culture by degrading all formsof artistic expression. An
American communist cell was toldto eliminate all good sculptures
from parks and buildings andsubstitute shapeless, awkward
and meaningless forms.

Speaker 2 (01:04:58):
That explains all the memorials that have been
destroyed in the lastadministration.

Speaker 1 (01:05:03):
And all the stuff that's come up in place of it.
These like abominations thatthey've been erecting. Yeah.
'23, control art critics anddirections of art museums. Our
plan is to promote ug is topromote ugliness and repulsive,
meaningless art.
24, eliminate all laws governingobscenity by calling them
censorship and a violation offree speech and free press. This

(01:05:26):
is how they brought inpornography, right? It's, oh,
you know, we're not gonna ban itbecause 20 that's five, break
down cultural standards ofmorality by promoting
pornography obscenity inmagazines, motion pictures,
radio, and TV. Done. And thinkabout that.
Think about in 1961, that wouldhave seemed crazy to think that
they're promoting pornography onon on radio and TV and motion

(01:05:48):
pictures. '26, presenthomosexuality, degeneracy, and
promiscuity as normal, natural,and healthy. Man, '27,
eliminate, infiltrate churches,replace revealed religion with
social religion, discredit theBible, and emphasize the need
for intellectual maturity, whichdoes not need a religious
crutch. 28, eliminate prayer orany phrase of religious

(01:06:12):
expression in the schools on thegrounds it violates the
separation of church and state.Man.
29, discredit the Americanconstitution by calling it
inadequate, old fashioned, andout of step with modern needs, a
hindrance hindrance oncooperation between nations on a
worldwide basis.

Speaker 2 (01:06:30):
Do you remember Ruth Ginsburg? The the Supreme Court
justice said exactly thosewords. He said, oh, we need a
replacement. Ours ours is out ofdate Of course. From a Supreme
Court justice.

Speaker 1 (01:06:42):
Exactly. 30, discredit the American founding
fathers. Present them as selfisharistocrats who had no concern
for the common man. Gosh, youlook at this one. You'll love
this one.
Support any social movement togive centralized control over
any part of the culture,education, social agencies,

(01:07:03):
welfare programs, mental healthclinics, etcetera.

Speaker 2 (01:07:07):
Department of Education. How about that one?
Exactly what that is.

Speaker 1 (01:07:12):
Exactly. Infiltrate and control the unions,
infiltrate and control bigbusiness. I mean, it's just it's
wild. Even here, discredit thefamily as an institution,
encourage promiscuity and easydivorce, emphasize the need to
raise children away from thenegative influence of parents,

(01:07:32):
attribute prejudices, mentalblocks, and retarding of
children to suppressiveinfluence of parents. I mean,
this is just this is just And

Speaker 2 (01:07:42):
every one of those. Every one? Every one of those
have been ticked back.

Speaker 1 (01:07:46):
Exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:07:47):
So it was a plan. That's the point. You're looking
at the plan. No different thanAgenda 21 shares much of the
same content.

Speaker 1 (01:07:57):
Exactly. But it does seem that a lot of Americans,
not just Americans, peoplearound the world, are finally
waking up to this plan andrejecting it. And so that's,
again, that's why we're doingwhat we're doing. It's why we
have these conversations, whichI hope that anybody who's made
it this far in the conversation,if you're still here with us,

(01:08:19):
with Todd and I, share this withsomebody, because this is
important information. It reallyis.
That's the thing is, have triedso hard to make sure that this
show is not one where I'm justfeeding the left right, you
know, fires. Yes. Where I'm justkind of blaming things. I think
it's really about figuring outwhat's happened to us, why are

(01:08:41):
we here, what happened to thiscountry, and how do we get back
to what we want it to be?Because there is a path, but
it's not an easy one.
We have we we must do it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:50):
Well, it it's it's really up to us. That's what
you're saying, and you're soright. It's up to us, and we all
have something we can do. I wastalking to a gentleman
yesterday. You he's an authornow.
Ian Trattier is his name. And hegot so disgusted with, our
government, a special agent fromthe FBI, was a whistleblower. He

(01:09:12):
was involved in the wholeBrennan Russia, event. They they
wouldn't do anything with hiswhistleblower complaints, so he
tried to find people to pleaseget this information out. This
guy, just a regular guy, abusinessman, I think he's a
contract contract took it uponhimself to write a book.
And not only did he write a bookthat's full of citation to prove

(01:09:35):
the case that these gangsters inour government stole the
elections, and they framedDonald Trump with all kinds of
horrible things, Russiagate. Buthe then took his book, and he
went around the halls ofcongress, and he went everywhere
he could, and he gave away hisbooks. The point I'm trying to
make here is that it takes one.It takes one, and others will
follow. So if people have thecourage not only to share this,

(01:09:58):
you have the power to dosomething.
Use your god given creativebrain and figure it out like the
guy I spoke with yesterday did.We can all make a difference,
every single one of us, butwe've got to have the will to
fight for our nation, fight forour survival, fight to have our
culture back, Seth. The goldenage, right? People wanted to

(01:10:19):
come to America because itrepresented hope. What could be
done rather than what has beendone.
So, Ben, you got this exactlyright.

Speaker 1 (01:10:30):
Yeah. Yeah. Well, this is this is the beginning of
the year. And it's I find thisto be really inspiring because
what's most important is thatpeople need to know what they
can do. They need to know thatif they do something, that they
can affect change.

(01:10:52):
Yeah. Because if you no longerbelieve that you can even affect
change, you give up. And youjust, you just kind of swim out
past the breakers and watch theworld die. Right? That's one of
my songs growing up, right?
And that's the thing, though, isthat we have a lot of power in
this country. We really do. Andit's a collective power to build
communities, to spread messageslike this, to help get more

(01:11:16):
Americans on board with this.Because if we don't, okay, let's
show what that where that leads,which we've talked a lot about.
But if we do, we have theability to, I think, to really
course correct course correctwhere this country is going.

Speaker 2 (01:11:31):
We've got to stop being lazy, Seth. I am so
bothered by how many people haveabdicated their thinking to AI.
How hard is it to understandthat if we don't use our brains,
our God given dominion over ourlives, somebody's gonna do it
for us. And in this particularcase, it's a machine. Right?

(01:11:52):
How lazy can we be that we can'teven go in a search engine or go
to a library to look upinformation? We now have to ask
a freaking computer that may ormay not give you the right
answer. But it's what I'm tryingto say is it's it's anecdotal as
it relates to the biggerquestion. Do we have the will,
right, to stand up forourselves, to take back our
dominion, to live our lives asGod's creations, as humans, or

(01:12:16):
are we going to be consumed bysomething created by others? Vis
a vis world economic form,you'll own nothing and be happy.
If you wanna live in a freakingbox and eat crickets and have
somebody else do your thinkingfor you, go that way. But if you
wanna be a sovereign, if youwanna be a human, if you wanna
have dominion and freedom overyour life, you gotta earn that.

(01:12:37):
It means doing your ownthinking, doing your own work.
So stop being lazy, Americans.That's how we got here.

Speaker 1 (01:12:46):
Exactly. It's a fourth turning. It's a fourth
turning. Right? And and rightright now, it's weak men have
created a wreck of society, butthat's now forging strong men,
and that strength is is isreemerging.
And so

Speaker 2 (01:13:02):
I Bring God back.

Speaker 1 (01:13:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:13:04):
That's the other part.

Speaker 1 (01:13:06):
Well, Todd, thank you so much for being here. Thank
you for, just allowing me to sitand pick your brain and share
these thoughts together. I hopethat this discussion can go far
and wide, and get more people onboard and more people to feel
inspired, and to feel like theyhave that locus of control, that
ability to actually affectchange. It's very important.

Speaker 2 (01:13:30):
Yeah. Well, you're important. Seth, thank you for
giving me the opportunity tohave this conversation because
it is inspiring, and I think youbring a lot to that. And I just
love your intro, you know,talked about it little bit. It's
that whole spirit of a a freedomof the the pioneer spirit, the
golden age Americana, where wehad an American culture.

(01:13:51):
And I appreciate you doing that.You're representative of that
culture. So thanks for havingme, allowing me the opportunity
to have this chat.

Speaker 1 (01:13:57):
Well, thank you again. Yeah. Absolutely, Todd.
Well, until next time, takecare, and God bless you, and God
bless America.

Speaker 2 (01:14:05):
God bless.