Dad 3- When Magnets Attack: The Hilarious Tragedy of Modern Taekwondo

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I'm Paris run to the St Louis grill.
I'm sorry, not sorry, ain't itfunny?
I repeat on the track my sisterill Advise opinions maybe, but
facts ain't lies, it's coldmetal mentality.
Watch the sun rise 1F1,.
I'm checkin' in.
So we're sittin' pretty.
Still mean.
Second best in the world.
Get ready.
Face down to Ponyx, pressurecookin' hot.
Gave my sweat, my focus,everything.

(00:21):
I got DJ Grimes, a DJ holdingdown the bar.
I'm still on the stage.
I want the time to change a newthing Learn to discipline folks
, respect for the fight.
I'm fighting lies.
It's too late.
No vitality.
We've been through some hellBorn and born In reality.
Just me Still me Sucking me upin a box.
Some of it is something back tothe warehouse 15.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
We are coming direct to you from motel 8, where
everything is 16 a night, 16 anight for a bed, four dollars4
for breakfast and the minimumwage is $1.50.
We are here with theGrandmaster of Disaster and with
Coach Juan Moreno.
How are you doing, sir?

Speaker 3 (01:13):
I'm doing great.
I'm doing great.
We've had a long couple weeks.
I've been here in NorthCarolina with Coach Jennings.
We'll get into that a littlebit.
But yeah, you're absolutelyright, I'm not actually at the
multiel 8, but pretty darn close.
So and it's been.
I'm going to just sayinteresting.
Some of the things you've beentalking about, Coach Fred, is

(01:34):
kind of coming true, Kind oftrue, Kind of true.
I've been, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
Between my Uber rides and this place, I don't know
bro I to ohio once and I stayedat a motel eight and they broke
into my room and stole mypassport.
So yeah, I I.
That was back when I was poor,poorer than I am now.
How are you doing bronze tj?

Speaker 4 (01:53):
I'm chilling.
I'm chilling just having, likeI said, it's been a long week
here.
We did the grand prix challengeand then a lot of guys stayed
over and been at this, my gym,for a training camp.
A lot of good exchanging,definitely the hottest, one of
the hottest places on earth withthat many people in the room,
but definitely some good work.
But I'm good, I'm good.
How about you?

Speaker 2 (02:10):
Well, it's good.
Good, well, I'm here.
You know I was in Tennessee andTennessee is apparently the
epicenter for thunderstorms andrain, and so my son's last game
got canceled.
But what a great soccertournament it was and watched
some of the best in the countryat this age could train and

(02:32):
compete.
And it just makes you wonderhow does a 17-year-old kid in
Manchester get a $172 millioncontract and our poor kids in
the States here can't get aplane ticket or a bus ticket?
But that's another story.
So, but tennessee was nice.
I was hoping to get to northcarolina, but the greyhound bus
schedule was completely full.

(02:53):
You lied to me.
I didn't realize you lied I wastrying to get on that greyhound
but I got down to the stationand there was a rush to get to
North Carolina for dentists andthings of that nature, so but
we're back.

Speaker 3 (03:09):
Yo, no listen.
I went to the little 7-Elevenor whatever it is outside my
hotel.
Yo, no offense, but that ladyhad like four teeth and two were
in her pocket.
I was just like damn it, it'strue, it's true.

Speaker 4 (03:21):
It's true.
I don't know where y'allhanging on that.
Well, I swear, I swear, bro,well, I gave Coach Moreno a
bunch of hotels, and then hedecided to stay somewhere
different.

Speaker 3 (03:31):
So that's a whole other story.
That's a whole other story.

Speaker 2 (03:35):
But let's talk about it.
But is it true that there isnot a Motel 8, that it's a Motel
4 in North Carolina?
Is that true?
I to motel four in northcarolina.
Is that true?
They can't afford a motel eight.

Speaker 4 (03:49):
I can see in the background you're, that's a high
quality establishment you're in, oh, this is my office.

Speaker 1 (03:52):
This is my office I was talking about you.
I'm talking about coach morelyou.

Speaker 2 (03:56):
You look like you're in a holding cell for ice, but
that's a different story yo andyou're wearing that jamaican
t-shirt you better have yourpassport.
It's a gift from my guy dude ifyou're walking around north
carolina, do yourself a favorand keep your passport, because
if you're wearing that shirt nosleeves and that haircut you,
you're going to be on a plane weare not talking about hair.

(04:18):
I don't want to watch you inthe human centipede, not talking
about hair.

Speaker 4 (04:22):
That's a crazy statement, but I digress, I'm
gonna let it go, I'm gonna letit go.

Speaker 2 (04:26):
Look at that.
Look at you, don't be jelly man.
This is 65 years.
This bad boy still been growing.

Speaker 3 (04:31):
Look at this if we got a lot of hair gold relax.

Speaker 2 (04:38):
All right, let's get on.
We got I know we got a lot totalk about today.
I heard there was some sort ofsmall tournament event somewhere
.

Speaker 3 (04:45):
Well, I got to start with this because I'm young At
the Grand Prix Challenge it wasthe first Grand Prix Challenge
of the year, it was in Charlotte, north Carolina, downtown, at
the convention center.
It was so funny.
The first question I got waspeople were like no podcast this
week.
No podcast this week Because,bro, I'm telling you people,
especially the Canadians, theylove it.
And then even here at thistraining camp we'll talk about

(05:06):
this later a couple of coachesare like no podcast, no podcast,
I listen to it every Friday.
It was so fun to hear.
I had some guy come up to me Ithink he talked to you too, tj
and he was like listen, I wantto introduce you.
He was kind of like, looking atme throughout the day, I,

(05:28):
looking at me throughout the day.
I was like, oh, do I know thisguy?
Then he sat down next to me andhe's like hey, I just want to
tell you, listen to your guys'podcast, we love it.
I've had some issues withcertain people, blah, blah, blah
.
It was just kind of cool tomeet somebody that I didn't
particularly know and that'slistened to us.
So again, it's beenoverwhelmingly positive.
People keep telling us tellingme at least that we're saying
what they're thinking.
People keep telling us tellingme at least that we're saying
what they're thinking, wherethey're saying what parents are
feeling, and so, yeah, I thinkwe're doing the right thing,

(05:50):
guys.
I think we're on the right path.

Speaker 2 (05:51):
Well, I'm glad I love my Canadian brothers some of
the toughest fighters in theworld, just amazing individuals
and I'm glad that people areenjoying the.

Speaker 1 (06:02):
You know TJ's half Canadian.

Speaker 2 (06:05):
Which half the sleeves or no sleeves.

Speaker 4 (06:08):
Definitely the no sleeves.
Are you half Canadian?
No, my wife's Canadian, oh okay.

Speaker 2 (06:14):
Oh, your wife's Canadian.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So he's half, that's half.
That makes you half.
You're absorbing.
You're absorbing 70% is 75%.

Speaker 3 (06:24):
No, but truthfully, from a Taekwondo standpoint, tj
has a connection to his wife andwe have a peak connection
through Coach Park.
So we have a we've always had apretty nice I don't know what.
Do you call it like a workingrelationship with the Canadian
Taekwondo people?
Right, tj?
I mean, what'd you say I?

Speaker 4 (06:38):
hang out with them all the time.
I mean like when I'm CoachCarla most of the time I spend
with them hanging out and kindof traveling the world and
they've always been superhelpful and super friendly,
allowing me to kind of be withthe team and be a part of their
training camps and their stuff.
So, yeah, they're good people,good guys.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
Well, I'm glad they've taken you in.
It's important to be taken inwhen you're a little bit
homeless and I'm proud.
The lost boys Well, I'm happythat you have a place to go in
case it doesn't work out here.
Jamaica man, Were you on thatbobsled team.
But anyway, let's talk aboutthe event a little bit.

Speaker 3 (07:09):
Oh, young.
So this was like I don't knowme and you kind of got into it.
We talked about it because DrKabiner mentioned something, but
I got to take you back to thefirst day, young.
The first day, in the morningsession, there was like 16
points scored out of all thematches.
Like everything was like weird.
Everyone's like what's going on?
People are, you know, gettinghard the normal stuff and

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nothing's going up.
Matches are one to zero, with adeduction.
They weren't scoring punch.
We got to talk about that punchthing too, tj.
So there was no points.
So I run into a guy and you knowI'm actually here.
I run into a guy and he pullsme.
I said what's going on, man,the system, the Gen 3 is going.
He's like supposedly they putit up, dato, put it up 30% of

(07:58):
what it was supposed to be, andsupposedly it was.
They made that call on theirown.
Some guy was like oh, I don'tlike the way it looks.
So they put it up and I guessthe WT people were like what?
And so then they said okay,we're going to put it back.
So they put it back.
So in the afternoon session thefirst people come out 30 to 28,
40 to 36, all of a sudden, it'sjust one.

(08:23):
It was like 1800 points went upin the same one yeah, it was
like a video game.
It was unbelievable.
Nobody knew what was going on.
Then there was phantom points.
I I literally, was sending thetechnical director.
I must have sent 15 videos ofthings that go like this and
there'd be five points.
Or things would go like thisand there'd be four points.
It was just, you didn't evenknow the athletes didn't know

(08:45):
what to do, how to stand, how tokick, like it was beyond crazy,
I mean am I right?

Speaker 2 (08:51):
TJ?
Yeah, but that's the problem.
You know, where do you as anathlete?
Let's forget about the game fora second.
As a country, as a country whosends athletes, spends and
invests thousands of dollars,brings staff, brings technical
directors in the USA's case,they travel from Oklahoma and
bring a camera you know, one ofthose point and flashes that you

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can get from um 7-11, or asthey call it, in, uh, north
Carolina, three and a quarteryou, they takes, they bring
these guys and they come andthen they get an event where
their athletes can't perform ordo perform and aren't rewarded
or, in the alternative, don'tknow what to do.
So I mean that speaks volumesabout the organization but, more

(09:32):
importantly, the sport.
But, tj, I didn't mean to stepon you no worries.

Speaker 4 (09:36):
No, I mean, yeah, it was, it was a, it was a big
change from the morning to theafternoon, like it's.
Like it's almost unbearable.
You're watching it go from Idon't don't know which I prefer
the morning or the afternoon,because once it started, it just
nonstop and they had thespeakers up so high.

Speaker 1 (09:50):
It was crazy.

Speaker 4 (09:53):
And sometimes you would hear it go off 12 times in
a row across the three rings.
I thought that was too loud.
I mean especially in crucialmoments.
Maybe you think you kick andyou score and it's from the ring
next to you especially crucialmoments maybe you think you kick
and you score and it's from thering next to you.
It was, it was insane, it wasinsane.
I, I don't know.
I don't know, I just don't.
I guess my question is if thatwas the case and and they don't
made that decision at all, like,how do you continue to move
forward and work with them?

(10:13):
Where, like, the integrity has?

Speaker 3 (10:15):
to be lost correct.
Well, two things I want to say.
Like number one okay, if they,if they, screwed up and they put
it up to 30, they should haveleft it like that the whole day,
because the people that foughtin the morning fought under
different circumstances than theothers.
It just doesn't make any sense,I mean I don't think they would
never do it yeah I know theywould never do it, but for me.

Speaker 4 (10:33):
They got to replay those matches in the morning
like the problem is everybodyhas all their national teams
there and some of them won, someof them lost, so they're not
going to go back and run themagain.
But that's just, it's crazy.

Speaker 2 (10:44):
Well, at the very least you've got to leave the
playing field.
What it is?
Well, that's what I thought.
Yeah, in soccer they get areferee and they put him in the
middle and he's there for 90minutes.
They change the referee in thenext game, but they don't change
the referee in the half.

Speaker 3 (10:56):
No.

Speaker 2 (10:58):
It's got to be the same You've Now.
I mean here's a.
I mean we'll talk about theblame game in a minute, but
here's a better question, or agood question at least not
better is in the morning, whenthey pushed it up and there were
only 16 points made, were thepoints valid points or were they
mystery points?
Were they based on you needed?

Speaker 3 (11:23):
more power.
So was it a power thing?
It was a little bit of both, toTJ's credit, a couple of
seconds ago, like like yeah, Idon't know which one I liked
better.
I mean, listen, if it's hard toscore, it's hard to score.
Then you can kind of take morechances.
But like nobody knew what wasgoing on, it was just so weird
we couldn't figure it out.
Then all of a sudden afternoonit just all of a sudden,
literally they say go, it goes.
You just hear, like, hear, likeTJ said it was fire.

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People are laughing, laughingin the stands because athletes
are looking around.
And you know, for me, you know,tj, you asked the question how
can you work with them?
Ethically?
You can't work with them.
I mean, first of all, theirproduct doesn't work.
Second of all, it doesn't work,it doesn't work, we of all.
It doesn't work, it doesn'twork.

(12:05):
We're on generation three andit's gotten worse and worse and
worse.
I mean I haven't met any personthat says I like Gen 3.
I haven't seen any person go.
Please give it to me, likenobody.
So I mean because, kp&p, youcan have a debate, but no one
has told me this is the system,is what we need to go with.
So number one they did it ontheir own.

(12:26):
They changed it in the middleof the day or the middle of a
term, without notifying the wtpeople.
That's unethical.
Two your product is is notworking.
I I've heard through thegrapevine that they're going to
give them a a finite time to fixthis.
You know, uh, whether it's amonth or two months and they're
going to make a decision to pullit or not pull it?

Speaker 4 (12:48):
I guess my question is what You're right.

Speaker 3 (12:50):
No, TJ, I agree with you.
There's two systems right nowthere's KP&P and there's
Weichamp that both work fine andwhen going into a world
championship, we can't play onthat system, we can't fight on
that system.

Speaker 4 (13:05):
It.
We can't play on that system,we can't fight on that system,
it's just.
It's just, it's justdisheartening, like and again.
I know that in the afternoonthe points start going crazy,
but I'm watching matches whereone guy's dominated the whole
route and controlled it to thepoint where it's like they're up
five, oh, which is not big inour sport anymore, and I
understand that.
But because of the sensitivityof the chess card, like you see
someone throw a whiffle of aback kick and it like misses the

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body, and now this persontechnically has advantage and
they're up there, they'releading with no time left.
So that that's a problem.
You, you can't that.
I saw a lot of that type ofstuff and people were just I
remember one tournament or backbefore it was just the whole
let's get close game and it wasa lot of that.
I mean, I'm watching stuff thisway, this way, this way, that
way, that way, and it's goingcrazy, you know.

Speaker 3 (13:47):
So for us, for the coaches, it was so difficult to
keep track of all the scoresbecause there would be an
exchange and, like I said, fivepoints would go up.
We were having a card to saytechnical error with phantom
points because things were justflying past people and four
points would be up, or fivepoints, and it's 10 to 2.
And all of a sudden it's it's11 to 10.

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The other guy, like you don'teven, you don't even know what
to ask the ref, or it was, itwas really really bad.
Um, you know, I, I will saythis.
I mean, and I don't even wantto, I shouldn't even say this
because I'm I'm making an excusehere.
You know one of the things Italked to our brazilian athletes
.
I said it's very hard to judgeyour performance because the
system was so different.
I will say, the people that wonthe Alessio from Italy, he won

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men's heavy CJ, won 80.
We can talk about that in asecond.
These two girls that I saw,well, three from Spain, from
China, from Brazil, all thesepeople.
They were fighting under thesame situation, the same
dynamics, the same sensitivityand they found a way to win.
That's kind of like maybethey're outliers.

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It doesn't really.
I don't want to, like I said,give these guys an excuse
because, herb, you know, ifyou've got two world-class
people, give these guys anexcuse because, herb, you know,
if you've got two world-classpeople, there's no way on a
normal system.
Tj, you notice that someone'sgetting point-gapped
point-gapped in two rounds In afinals.
No way, it was ridiculous.

(15:16):
These people are two goodquality fighters and one guy's
getting beat by 15.
Who was it?
It happened a lot.
It happened a lot, I mean ithappened a lot.
Yeah, not just like there waspeople in the finals, like these
two guys are fighting amazingall day and all of a sudden
points are just going up weird.
And these guys are lookingaround like what can I do?

Speaker 2 (15:40):
Yeah, but as a fighter, you guys know you go in
and you, before you go, youprepare, you visualize what
you're going to do, you do yourgame and in most cases the only
adjustment we had to make atleast you and I was to the
referee that was in the ring soyou could tell what the referee
was scoring or the judges werescoring.

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At the end of the round you'dlook at the scoreboard and
figure out what worked, whatdidn't work.
Scoring at the end of the round, you'd look at the scoreboard
and figure out what worked, whatdidn't work.
Now you have a situation wherethe athletes are trying to
adjust to an electronic systemwhich takes a few minutes, and
then that's the reason that youdon't change it midstream,
because they can look at matchesand see what's working and then
adjust after for their nextmatch, their first match.
They're kind of at adisadvantage, especially when

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it's happening, like you know,in the moment, right, so so um
it's funny they're talking aboutlike some.

Speaker 3 (16:29):
Some guy, a canadian guy, took the socks and and he
put them like this and it's a,it picked it up.
The magnets were so strongthere's more magnets in this and
this new gen 3 sock but they'reso strong that they you can
hold them together and it justthey stick.
I mean it was, yeah, the gen 2socks, the gen 1 socks never did
that, because they're so strongthat you can hold them together
and they stick.
I mean it was crazy.

Speaker 4 (16:45):
Yeah, the Gen 2 socks , the Gen 1 socks never did that
because they're always in thesame bag.
They fall out of the never that.
I watch Mark kind of go likethis and it picks up the other
socks.
So I don't know if it was anoversight, I don't know if they
changed the manufacturers theyworked with to get the magnets
or what case.
So not only did they add moremagnets, they added stronger
magnets.
I I don't know.
I mean, and again, I I don'tknow if that's an oversight or

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an accident, but that has to dowith the way that the hokus were
scoring, like I mean, it wascrazy, you got, if you would
have seen.
I mean, there's kicks like thisfar out and they're scoring
every now and then it'll showits face.
But this was the entire rest ofthe tournament after the
morning session on the first day.

Speaker 2 (17:24):
It was nuts so what's the solution?
If it's not, this is mepersonally.
Who is this?
Is this day, dado?
Who is this?

Speaker 4 (17:30):
true score dado, yeah , I don't know, man, it's wonky
dude, it's just wonky I.
I, me personally, I would gowith one system.
I don't care, I don't like thedouble system, I don't like
changing system, I don't likeadjusting.
Just give everybody one systemand go from there, period, point
, blank and simple, and I thinkthat'll keep.
I think at least it'll keep itfair or fair or consistent or

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whatever you want to call it.

Speaker 3 (17:54):
And you know, tj, I'm on the opposite end of that
spectrum.
I mean, I believe in thecompetitive, but I'm going to go
with you on this one Until theyget this shit figured out, they
gotta have one system, just onesystem.
So it's, it's, it's even acrossthe board.
But and if another system cancome and basically be the same
system but from another company,then we're okay.

(18:15):
For example, I got a basketball, right, I have a spalding
basketball or a wilsonbasketball.
It's the same freaking ball.
We have a little differenttexture, but it bounces the same
.
It's the same measurements.
That's not, you know, we can'tsay that in taekwondo.
So, um, and I know I've used,I've used the things like well,
in tennis you have differentthings, different.
You have grass courts and claycourts, it's in hard courts, but
we're not, we're not that kindof, we're not a ball sport,

(18:37):
right, we're a combative sport.
That would be like askingboxers to say you know, you have
this kind of glove or this kindof ring or this kind of shape,
or you know, no, you wouldn't dothat.
So I agree with you.
We probably should just go downto one and make that shit work
right, because it doesn't.

Speaker 4 (18:51):
It doesn't.
It's just you know, like,because you hit it the same time
10 times and six out of thosetimes will be it'll score,
another four won't score.
You get in the same spot, samespeed, same pressure, everything
.
So it's always a littleunpredictable.
So it makes it even moreunpredictable for me and my
brain when you add we're goingto fight this system here, we're
going to fight that systemthere.
And I think from a.

Speaker 3 (19:11):
The sock is different .
Mm-hmm, the sock is different.

Speaker 4 (19:15):
Yeah, and I think from a, I guess community,
bringing everyone together andmaking it a system that
potentially, at some point,everyone can afford, like the
South American countries, allthese people, it should be one,
because you come out with Gen 1,gen 2, gen 3, this, this, this.
No one's keeping up with thatshit.

Speaker 3 (19:29):
That's impossible.
It's impossible and from afinancial standpoint it's
impossible.
I mean, like you said, southAmerican countries, african
countries, some of the EastAsian countries can't do it
either.
Heck Americans.
I mean it's expensive stuff.
The socks are 110 bucks, young110 bucks for the socks.
So it's for a kid that's goingto outgrow them.
They rip the, the magnets move.

(19:50):
I mean I get, I know hockey andother sports are expensive, but
110 bucks for Taekwondo socks.

Speaker 4 (19:55):
How much were the Gen 2?
They weren't 110, were they?
I don't remember.

Speaker 3 (20:01):
I got a technical question because remember when
we had we went from Gen 1 to Gen2, sometimes you'd be fighting
on Gen 1 system and people saidyou can't use Gen 2 socks
because they score too much.
So Gen 3 socks, people thatbought them.
What happens if I go to thenext tournament?
I'm wearing Gen 3 socks, I havemore magnets, stronger magnets.
Fighting on a Gen 2 system at adomestic tournament.

Speaker 4 (20:22):
They made me take it off One of my kids.
Somehow one of my kids ended upwith a pair of Gen 3 socks and
we got to the competition.
They made her take them off.
They wouldn't let her wear theGen 3 with the Gen 2.
So they shouldn't, I mean to behonest with you.
With those things for sure youwill score.
Yeah, for sure In comparison tothe other person wearing Gen 2
too, you you would score again 1billion points compared to them
so, tj, what did you think?

Speaker 3 (20:44):
I mean the tournament was a mess.
I mean, obviously the resultswere pretty interesting.
I mean, at korea, um, korea hada couple medals.
Um, italy had a couple medals,spain had a couple medals, kazan
had a couple medals, the unitedstates had three medals.
Um, I mean, listen, uh, cj was,was good.
I mean he, he fought strong, hehad big leads early, his final

(21:09):
was close with the korean guy.
Um, I think on regular hokus isa different fight, but um, he
was, he was good.
I mean, I have to say, like he,he watched the first day and he
made some adjustments.
He fought from a lot longer,used a lot of different angles,
you know, relied on his bigkicks, you know his four-point
kicks and stuff.

Speaker 4 (21:28):
So, I mean I can't take it.
A lot of double kick stuff wasalmost great in this situation,
because we were talking aboutlike once it opens and you're
putting two and three togetherbefore the other person's
putting their foot down, likeit'll score.
On that system you're going toscore every single time, almost
you know.
So yeah, I think he foughtgreat.
I mean he fought great and hefought some people and he kind
of showed a difference betweenthose people.
Like you said, the final wasclose but still he's scoring,

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scoring and pushing the action.
I mean he definitely did agreat job on that.

Speaker 3 (21:56):
I'd say the first match of the day.
He fought this Russian kid andthis Russian kid came out 8-0.
I'm like, because these guysknow how to score.
The problem was that system wasso light, like you said, tj, it
let people back in the matchand then CJ's physicality kind
of overran the kid, but the kidwas.
I mean I would be reallyinterested to watch that match
on KPMP.
But again, we can say thatabout a lot of things.

(22:18):
But I mean I can throw somecritiques out there and I can
give credit where credit's due.
And CJ was good.
He fought well the other twoAmericans, christina Ticho she
made weight, which I was reallyshocked, and she gutted through
some matches that she lost thefirst round and somehow she got
through and she ended up losingin the semifinal and got a

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bronze medal.
Because they fought for thisone.
Young, if you got to thesemifinal, the two semifinal
losers had to fight off for thebronze.
She came back and had a closematch and she did the same thing
very tight three rounds andbeat the Croatian girl.
So that was good for her.
And Faith Dillon, the 57 girl.
She lost to our girl fromBrazil in the semifinal.
Our girl won gold medal on thefirst day, but Faith was pretty

(23:05):
solid.
I think she did a she had agood event.

Speaker 4 (23:09):
For me, she's always well put together.
You know she goes out and shekind of puts the game together
and does what she has to do mostof the time, so she definitely
had a good day as well.

Speaker 3 (23:16):
I think she's probably one of the few athletes
that are very even keeled Likeshe has.
She doesn't have too many highsand too many lows.
I mean, she's pretty solid,even when she loses.
You don't see her lose by a lot, you don't see her getting
overwhelmed too much.
It's just nah, the guy, thefemale scored more points.
You know where with CJ andChristina.
You see some big dips in youknow valleys, some greatness.

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But there was this Russianlittle girl 49 kilos, 49 kilos.
So let's just say heightequivalency.
Let's say I'm an average 49.
This girl I'm not lying wasthis little and every match she
was like this much shorterpeople.
But she was like she coulddefend.
She was sidekicking thesechicks in the face Like nobody

(24:03):
understood what she was doing.
And for a little person shecould get her leg over their leg
with a front leg axe kick.
Normally what happens is whenpeople put a front leg axe kick,
someone picks their leg upunderneath it and defends and it
usually knocks the smallerperson over.
You get a deduction, the otherperson gets a point oh, she was
so strong, like she would getthere, she could keep her
balance.
She lost a close semi-finalfight and then I'm getting a

(24:26):
bronze, but she was.
She was awesome to watch it was.
It was like a win for the smallpeople it was pretty pretty
impressive.

Speaker 2 (24:33):
I think that's all.
I think that's always.
There was a kid out of Korea.
His name was Ham June and he hehad one tournament, I think he
went to the.
He was from Chede and Iremember watching him train and
he was tiny.
I mean he was compared to the,you know, myung Shik and those
guys you, myung Shik, and theseguys were all like your size,
almost six foot.

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This kid had to be five foottwo, five foot three, but he was
such a unique athlete in thathe understood how to use his
smallness, his compactness,first of all for low center of
gravity, second of all forunderstanding how to get under
people and third, for just beingto be honest, smaller people
are just faster, like they.

(25:16):
Just they have less distance totravel from their leg to the
target.
They they're just faster andtheir twitch is usually better,
depending on the, on the smallerathletes.
So I always like to watch thosegames because you know I was a
smaller middleweight.
I would, you know I wasn't atall middleweight and I was
fighting gigantic.

Speaker 4 (25:33):
You know, seven foot, six foot three, six foot five
guys showed up with a lot oflittle heavyweights.
Did you see that?
I don't know.
One kid was 68 to 80 and nowhe's plus 80, but both of them
were little oh really that dudewas 58 at one point.
Uh-huh, early on.
Yeah, so they got this kid thatwent from 58 to 68 to under 80,
and now he's fightingheavyweight.

(25:54):
But like it's cool, it'sinteresting.
But the other guy that was withthem was damn near the same
height.
It was kind of a strange thing.
It's kind of a strange thing.

Speaker 3 (26:03):
And then their little people were tall, yeah right.

Speaker 2 (26:06):
Yeah, I know.

Speaker 4 (26:06):
I know, I know I have a question Before we go.
What do you think about thisnew Gamjon thing, this one where
if you get to the ring late,they give you a Gamjon.

Speaker 3 (26:13):
and now, like, isn't that just silly, like aren't we
going too far at this point,young?
So they made this new rule thatlike, if you're, then they can
give you a come done.
First of all, it's subjective,because they only gave one, all
right.
But it's kind of like listen, Ikind of get it if people are

(26:34):
sitting in the chair for extra20, 30 seconds.
But, like my thing about timebreaks, you got to walk to your
corner and sit down.
I'm going to say it takes twoseconds, three seconds, right,
and I think we should get not me, we should get the whole minute
, and when it they should haveto get up and go out.
But they're saying 10 secondsbefore they're going, chung hung

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, making them come out, and ifyou're not fast enough, they
give you a deduction.

Speaker 4 (26:58):
And they decide that you're not fast enough Because
I've seen some people that comeout a little late.
The referee just turned aroundone time, turned around again
and it was no problem.
Then you see someone give thema g john and I guess it didn't
dawn on me until later.
I think I was talking about acoach, like that's a big thing

(27:18):
with this five gum john perround rule.
Now you're starting the roundwith four to give and for what?

Speaker 2 (27:20):
because I'm a little late like that.
Well, think about the culturewhere it's coming from.
So you know I've talked aboutthis before one of the biggest
problems culturally in taekwondois that it comes from a place
of Korean culture.
Korean culture has never beenon rewarding, it's been on
punishing.
So when you look at the gamesthey play and everything else,
they spend a whole lot of timedesigning systems and point

(27:44):
scoring for negative behavior.
So they don't figure out how toscore points.
They're teaching the refereeseverything they don't want them
to do.
They think the difference tofixing something is to spend
time on what's not working.
So you give warnings for falling, warnings for grabbing,
warnings for being late to thering.
I mean, is this really thebiggest problem in Taekwondo?

(28:05):
And I've talked about this inbasketball?
Basketball, when you want tosee better behavior, you reward
it.
You want to see less peopleunder the basket, you create the
three-point, that's it.
You want to see better action,you reward that and that's how
we came to the multi-tieredscoring.
But it's good to see that theculture still prevails because

(28:26):
obviously the most importantthing in taekwondo is how your
uniform fits, if you get to thering on time, if you bow
properly and you know, if youunderstand, how to act right.

Speaker 1 (28:39):
That's how you kick.

Speaker 3 (28:42):
I know you're being mocking me a little bit, but
like the belt yeah, Nowadaysyour belt has to be all right
size.

Speaker 4 (28:49):
It can't be below your.
Yeah, it has to be like alittle bit above your yes above
your knees, but you're right asa fighter.

Speaker 2 (28:58):
Do you need?
I mean, we could go.
This is one of my favoriteconversations.
The taekwondo uniform, whichwas stolen from judo and karate,
is not the best uniform forperformance, to be frank.
And if you understand that,then why are we wearing it
during competition?
Why are we wearing a beltduring competition?
Where is no?

(29:19):
Is there anyone in the ring?
That's not a black belt.
Why are we wearing a belt andthis is a performance enhancing
thing as well like you have yeah, it's karate.
If you, you want to remindpeople what they're watching, I
get that, because right now, ifyou watch taekwondo, you have
yeah, it's karate.
If you, you want to remindpeople what they're watching, I
get that, because right now, ifyou watch Taekwondo, you
couldn't tell what it was.
But you know you need a belt.
Maybe you go oh, this must besome sort of martial art.
They're wearing a black belt.

(29:39):
Uh well, it doesn't look like amartial art, but they're
wearing a black belt, so it mustbe a martial art.
Is it karate?
No, it's not jujitsu, becausenobody's getting hurt.
Oh, it must be that sissyfighting called olympic
taekwondo.
Oh yeah, let me watch this fortwo seconds before I can hold on
a second let me, let me, let me, let me change, let me watch it

(30:00):
for a few seconds because I cango then watch something more
interesting like curling, or youknow, or uh, or somebody
cutting their lawn or grassgrowing in my backyard, but but
anyway, it's been a minute ortwo before.

Speaker 3 (30:13):
I got on that You're going to love this Herb.
So we go to the technicalmeeting that TJ got yelled at,
but so they always get yelled at.

Speaker 1 (30:26):
You are, mr Jamaica.
You are, sit down and don'tspeak anymore.
Where is your jacket and tie?
And why you come here?
Where's the coach?
You're an athlete With thathaircut.
You must be an athlete, oh,you're not an athlete, let me
see your credential.
What he wasn't Korean, was it?
Philippe, was it?

Speaker 2 (30:47):
Philippe, was it Philippe Bordeaux, the Bordeaux
wine guy, the guy, the dumbestguy in Taekwondo?
It was next to his friend JayWarwick, the second dumbest.

Speaker 1 (30:57):
Yeah, no.

Speaker 2 (30:58):
Did I say both of those things out loud?
I saw those two clowns sittingnext to each other at the
technical meeting.
Jay just happy to be there sohe doesn't have to be at home.

Speaker 1 (31:08):
And.

Speaker 2 (31:09):
Philippe hasn't found a plane ticket yet that he
doesn't like.
He must not like French food,but go ahead.

Speaker 3 (31:16):
That's funny.
I'm going to go Now.
I got to go back.
So we go to the technicalmeeting and of course everybody
kind of they get introduced andthey all say a few things.
And it's so funny because Imean no offense, but if you
would have seen the crowd whenmr warwick was speaking, like
he's, he's making jokes about um, one of the, the vice chair of

(31:38):
the techno director, is his ladyand now she just got named to
the games committee chair forthe olympics, so she's gonna
basically do all stuff and he'sintroducing and he's like so, um
, she won't be having to buy herown beer today, because I'm
sure a lot of people will bebuying her beers, so they can.
You know, it was just so oftenlike everyone's like this, like,
like nobody was like like hewas, it was like he was talking

(32:01):
to the good old boys club butnobody understood it, like it
was so like off handed.
You know it was just weird,candid, you know.
I just it was just weird, butanyway.
So we're talking about the, therules, and they always start
with like there are no new rules, because we had heard that
there's new rules.
There's no new rules, it's justour interpretation.
So fast forward to.

(32:21):
They're talking about punchingyoung, and they said there's no
punch with the front hand thatthey'll score.
And so we're like.
So I, I said I was like youknow, I I don't really
understand.
Like, look at, first of all, Ithink people, they have to learn
how to score a punch.
But why, if I can punch withthe backhand and I can kick with
the back leg and punch kickwith the front leg, why can't I
punch with the front hand?

(32:42):
Now, if you don't want to scoreit, that's fine.
But they're like oh, we neverscore punch with the front hand
where everyone in the place goes.
Like what, yeah?

Speaker 1 (32:50):
What I mean they scored.

Speaker 3 (32:52):
Like people are freaking out.
I'm like everyone's sittingthere going what so they?
They said that you can't punchwith the front hand anymore.
They won't score.

Speaker 1 (33:00):
And then they're like .

Speaker 2 (33:01):
Can you punch with it Like?

Speaker 1 (33:03):
are you going to get a?

Speaker 2 (33:03):
warning if you punch for it.

Speaker 4 (33:06):
No of deduction, but they're not supposed to score a
front hand punch.

Speaker 2 (33:10):
Can I tell you something?
If I punch you with my fronthand, you'll pray to baby Jesus
that I punched you with my backhand.
If you hit somebody properlywith a front hand, as you guys
both know, it's worse becauseyou're catching somebody in
mid-technique usually, and thepower and the impact of it you'd

(33:31):
pray that somebody hit me withtheir backhand, but just the
fact that they said we're not wedon't score it anyway, yeah.

Speaker 3 (33:38):
Again, shut your mouth and let people punch with
the front hand and just don'tscore it.
But they told us it's not ascoring technique.
I'm like why is a front legkicking then?
Why can't I kick with the frontleg?
Tell me I can't kick with thefront leg.
Tell me I can't keep my frontleg.
It's not a scoring technique,it doesn't have enough power.
I mean it was just such anabsurd thing.
I mean they have this rule thatyou can only, so you can do
three kicks in the air.

(33:59):
You can do three kicks on thebody without putting it down.
You do four, you get adeduction.
But if I have a card and let'ssay I go like this okay, that
should be nine points and I canvideo replay, but I can only ask
for two.
So I was like if I can I go,can I kick for three?
They're like yes, I'm like.
So if I kick you in the facethree times, why can't I ask for

(34:22):
those three points, which wouldbe nine?
They're like.
I was like it's a good one.
I'm like good one.
It should be obvious.
Like like, is that illegal?

Speaker 4 (34:35):
even, even with the front hand punch thing.
My question was you're tellingus, the coaches, that you're not
going to score front handpunches and the referees are
supposed to score front handpunches.
And my question and my questionwas all right, we're in the
finals, we're in the quarterfinals, whatever, whatever,
whatever round and quarterfinals, whatever round, and at the end
of the round some guy goesfront-hand punch and they tie

(34:56):
8-8, and this front-hand punchmakes it 9-8.
As a coach, can I card and belike, hey, they shouldn't score?
The answer to my question wasno, so I'm going wait.
So you just said we can't scorefront-hand punches, you're not
going to score them, but thisguy, someone, could win a match
by doing something.
You said you're not going toscore and I can't do anything
about it, and it was oh well,you know, there's some things we
can't do with the card.
I'm like, well, that's dumb,because we've already we already

(35:17):
interject with punches.
You know what I mean is thatwhen you got?
is that when you got yelled atyeah, I was told you know before
that but a little bit beforethat.
Why do you always talk whenpeople are talking?
And I'm like, I look and I waslike this is the first time I've
said anything, and when I sayanything I've said through so
many meetings, I mean so manytechnical meetings.

(35:38):
I've just sat in the back.
I've never said anything.
I've been respectful, I know mygoddamn mouth and I say that he
looks at me and goes why do youlike to talk when people are
talking?
Who was it?
Who?
Who lost, like lost my mind?
Um, what's his name?
Who was the guy?
What's his name?

Speaker 3 (35:54):
coach muhammad uh, muhammad shaban, he's the, he's
a technical I wanted to lose mymind, I'm just like dude

Speaker 1 (36:01):
yeah, no no, no.

Speaker 3 (36:03):
So what happened was.
What happened was the room wasstarting to get a little crazy
and this one russian kid be like.
The guy's like, hey, let leteveryone.
And so also we start getting inagain.
People are other people arekind of talking, and so TJ goes.
But if the guy's like, he'slike and TJ's behind me, I just
feel TJ's rage going on.

(36:24):
I know he's so pissed because Iwas like Bro, it's either that
or it's not.

Speaker 4 (36:31):
Maybe you're you are.

Speaker 2 (36:33):
You are the only time he sees people in his country
that look like you.
They're serving him tea.

Speaker 4 (36:38):
Let me be clear it is what it is I'm like I've said
so many fucking things.
Never opened my mouth one time.

Speaker 2 (36:45):
Listen, I, I was, I was I was head of team and coach
moreno was there as coach, Ibelieve, and we're in a room and
this is when they were talkingabout punching and they're
talking about how they're goingto score punching.
So I raised my hand and I saydo you understand that in the
history of taekwondo up to nowthere hasn't been a point scored
for punching in the history ofthe sport?

(37:07):
So what you're saying is onyour rule books there's a rule
that says you can score punching, but there's not a man in the
world that does taekwondo thatcan punch hard enough to score
points.
So we're all a bunch of sissies.
What you're saying is we blackbelts and black belts that teach
it a ninth degree black beltscan't teach or execute a proper

(37:30):
punch enough.
Meanwhile I've personallypunched guys in the chest where
they had to pull my hand out ofhis chest.
They don't score.
The guy's laying on the floorand they don't count.
He can't breathe, but that'snot a point.

Speaker 3 (37:45):
So punching has become a big part of the sport,
unfortunately.
Bad punches, bad punches, ohyeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (37:49):
They're not punches.
Can we go to?

Speaker 3 (37:50):
this tournament.
Can we go to this tournament,Guys?

Speaker 2 (37:52):
there's some good ones.
They're bitch slaps.

Speaker 4 (37:54):
They're bitch slaps.
No, some of them are good.
It's not that Some of them arepretty heavy landed punches, but
like they don't score anything.
And then it's crazy, becausethen you get to the semis and
the finals, where everybody'swatching one ring and the crowds
are louder, and now all of asudden we're scoring punches.
You know what I mean.
And these are dictating thefight.

Speaker 3 (38:13):
And to TJ's point sure as shit, cj's fighting in
the final with the Korea and theguy comes in front, hand punch
point.
So I said that to the technicaldirector.
I'm like no front hand punches,so just craziness on that.

Speaker 4 (38:28):
And this is the fact they say in the media, like our
referees would never score afront hand punch Never.
They would, they have never andwill never.
It's crazy.

Speaker 1 (38:35):
It's crazy, it's a silly thing.

Speaker 4 (38:38):
It's a silly thing, yeah.

Speaker 3 (38:40):
You know what I mean.
Overall, like it was, there wassome.
There was some good youngpeople there, young that came
out.
That's what these Grand Prixchannels are supposed to be for.
They're supposed to.
They're a pseudo-open.
It's not 100% open, but you geta lot of people Like Russia
brought people that I had neverseen before.
China and Taipei brought abunch of young ones and some
were good and some weren't good.
I mean, I think overall, in theUnited States we had some

(39:03):
people that shouldn't have beenthere, but I think there was a
couple other countries thatprobably had some of those.

Speaker 2 (39:08):
You mean people other than staff, like you're not
talking about the staff, no, no,I was talking about athletes.

Speaker 3 (39:14):
I mean there's athletes that probably weren't
ready for that level.
Now you want to go on thatstaffing.
I mean, I always got a petpeeve because I believe that
some of these athletes should becompensated and helped with
stuff.
And there was some situationswhere there was training set for

(39:35):
a certain time in a certainplace.
Athletes were told they gothere and no one's there, the
staff's not there, no one'sthere and these kids are just
sitting there by themselves.
You know, I have a problem whenI see, you know, people on the
floor.
They're taking pictures orcommentating at the the the end
of the night in the finals anddoing nothing else.
But you, you know they gottheir way, paid for their hotel,

(39:55):
paid for their food, paid forand who knows whatever else.
Meanwhile you have nationalteam athletes that had to put
their own bill.
You know, um, pay their ownairfare, hotel and food and blah
, blah, blah, and it's kind ofbs man.
It's the same old, you know.
I know you get on it a lot.
You know talking about peoplewith uh, you know flights and
stuff like that.
But in these kind of cases,when I see those people there,

(40:17):
it bothers me it bothers me.

Speaker 2 (40:18):
Listen, the Olympic Committee.
You know one of my favoritepresidents and other people.
They had two sayings and theywere great sayings.
So if you're going to serve anorganization as a volunteer and
this was John Ruger, who was theathletes ombudsman he said ask
yourself one question when youchoose to serve or you're asking

(40:40):
for a position, does theorganization benefit more than
you or do you benefit more?
And he says if it's the first,then you should do it.
If it's a second, you shouldn't, and then the other, that's a
great one.
Right, that's the way youshould look at service.
The second one and you havesomething to offer and you're
going to add value, add value.
My son's school, my daughter'sschool.
I volunteered.

(41:00):
They put me on a committeewhere I have nothing to value,
and so at the end of the year Isaid thank you for this
opportunity.
This is not where I can benefitthe school the most.
I didn't get any benefit, butby the same token, I didn't add
any value, so let somebody elsedo the job In.
The second one was SandyBaldwin, who was the president

(41:21):
of USOC, and she said to me wehave board members who have
never met a plane ticket theydidn't like, and that was
classic, right?
You have a lot of people in theorganization, both in USA
Taekwondo and at the WT orwhatever it's called these days,
that haven't met a plane ticketthey didn't like.

(41:43):
So most of them are bored intheir life.
They don't like what's going on, they don't add any value, but
as soon as that plane ticketshows up, it becomes a value.
I pride myself on one thing Idon't take plane tickets.
I don't need trips.
I've been.
On one thing I don't take planetickets.
I don't need trips.
I've been to enough countries.
If somebody sends me a planeticket, it's because I add value
and I'm going there to help.

(42:04):
And if they need me to help, Icome to help.
Now, by the same token, if Idon't think I can help like I
was called to help the New Yorkbid when we were bidding for the
Olympics, I was called to helpthe San Francisco bid.
I and we were bidding for theOlympics.
I was called to help the SanFrancisco bid.
I went to Singapore to help theNew York bid.
When I went there, I was calledby Dr Schiller and they asked
me to come.
And I went because I addedvalue.

(42:25):
And if I couldn't add value,then I don't need to go to
Singapore.
You can do everything you wantto do in Singapore in a day but
it's a long trip.

Speaker 3 (42:34):
Now that you bring this up, it's funny because I'm
picking on a little nitpicking,but like, even there's a,
there's a media guy.
He's from mexico, he's anational team athlete but his
name is chava perez and he has avery he he's.
He does a lot of uhbroadcasting, he has a podcast,
he's been around everywhere,right tj, he's at world
championships, he's everywhere.
Supposedly he requested um acredential media, credential for

(42:58):
for this event.
And again, I don't know all thedetails, but what I know is he
got denied by W2 and USAT and Iwas like that's shame on them.
But then meanwhile they hadthis I don't think the venue was
that good for a Grand Prixchallenge.
I didn't think it was.
It wasn't sexy enough.
They just did the bare minimumstuff.
But so we have these bleacherseating that were hard as hell.

(43:20):
But in the middle of that, theyhave this big section off for
the VIPs and they got cushionson the seats.
And you know, I'm sitting thereon the outside like everybody
else and, lo and behold, I see abunch of people come in with
credentials.
Now, it was hard to getcredentials, but I don't know
where these people gotcredentials.
They were there.
They're americans, they'reasian americans and here they

(43:42):
come filing all lined up, and soI'm like how do these guys get
that stuff when maybe otherpeople that should?
You know?
We talked about it earlier.
Someone was like they couldhave easily asked the olympians
to come, they could have easierto try to like.
Hey, this is our showcase tothe world.
Yeah, right, because I knowwhen I go to check the answer.

Speaker 2 (44:00):
I keep checking my text messages.
I get more respect outside mysport than I do inside my sport.
Usa Taekwondo has convenientamnesia.
They forgot who built the sportand what athletes fought to win
and what athletes fought to dowhat they do.
And they keep ignoring usbecause they're afraid of us,
and that's okay.
But the ones that are quiet andcomplicit I don't want to

(44:21):
mention any names lynette, love,sharon, jewel uh, did I say
those out loud?
They, they bring those docileones in because they're they go
along with the program.
They're like what can I do,boss?
Where do I go?
Where do you want me to sit?
Oh, yeah, I'm an olymp.
Oh, wait a minute.
You want to honor these guyswho haven't done anything other
than go to the Olympics?
Oh, show me where they are.

(44:42):
Oh, that's a nice fur jacketyou're wearing, mr, whatever
your name is.
Oh, what did you do at the lastOlympics?
Oh, you showed up.
Oh, congratulations.
Well, I actually won, and inSharon's case, I think she was a
bronze medalist.
By the way, lynette was a goldmedalist, but let's, let's count
down to the future.

Speaker 3 (44:59):
That hasn't done anything none of them were there
.
And again, I mean, I'm not, I'mnot even saying it from a
personal level on you, but theyjust I don't know, maybe they
were asked, maybe they weren't.
I just I, again, I just, whenthese things happen in our
country, like look, you guys gotmoney to do all this other
stuff, but you can't make theplace, look you, you can, can
hate or love him, and you canhate and love him in different

(45:20):
and equal parts.

Speaker 2 (45:21):
But one of the things I will say is this you know,
sang Lee taught me a few thingsand also taught me a lot of
things not to do, but one of thethings that he did say which
was true he says how you treatyour juniors, how you treat your
seniors, is how your juniorswill treat you.
So the way you treat yourparents is the way your children
will teach you how you treatyour seniors in Taekwondo.

(45:42):
So good, on USA Taekwondo,they've got the dumbest and the
dumber in the room, the guys whohaven't done anything and even
the guys who have been to thedance.
I won't mention his name.
You know he got knocked downand got a bronze medal in some
tournaments, so that's what youhonor and respect.
I guess what?
Because they kowtow and fetchit.
I mean, I don't know.

(46:03):
I mean what?
What happened to the here's?
The better question.
May he rest in peace.
What would they?
What did they do with jimmy kim?
Now, they loved jimmy.
There wasn't a person in theworld didn't love jim Jimmy,
except USA Taekwondo.
Jimmy Kim was loved by all.
Jimmy Kim, great athlete, jimmyKim.
Gold medalist, jimmy Kim,successful heavyweight, most

(46:24):
successful heavyweight.
What did they do with Jimmy?
So why would we expect anythingdifferent from us?
Yeah, so it is.
And and let me say it now, soit's been said a lot of times in
life the people who exclude youfrom the room exclude you to
cast shade because they know ifyou come in you're gonna

(46:46):
diminish their value.
If you're in a room, moreno ortj or anyone else, you diminish
their value.
Who's listening to sherman,whatever his last name is today?
Who's listening to jay poos?
Who's listening to Sherman,whatever his last name is today?
Who's listening to Jay Poos?
Who's listening to, to behonest, jay Warwick?
Nobody's listening to theseguys if different people in the
room.
So what you do?
You close the door.

(47:06):
I don't close the door in mylife, I open the door.
I want the biggest and the bestand the brightest in my life,
because through that affiliation, through the closest, through
proximity, comes knowledge, andsome people would say power.
I say knowledge.
So in that situation I get whythey're afraid.
You should be afraid.
You're dumber than a rock.
You should be afraid You'vemessed up the sport.

(47:27):
Be afraid, but that's up to you, your loss?
What was the last Olympictournament results?
How's that going for you?
So you know, keep doing whatyou're doing, because you're
perfectly engineered for thelack of success you're currently
experiencing.

Speaker 3 (47:45):
CJ, did you see that clip of that Korean kid 58
Korean kid fighting with aTurkish kid?
What did you think about?

Speaker 4 (47:52):
that, first of all, I don't like everybody hyping it
up.
I think it's a little silly andit's a little overdrawn.
But also, if you watch thevideo, you watch the video.
It was a Turkish kid.
Right, it was Turkey.
Yeah, this kid, like again it'sgoing on, something's happening.
He's trying to point across theroom to tell the referee to
stop.
The referee doesn't stop.
They go out of the ring, throwsone more kick and like hits him

(48:14):
in the butt.
But if you watch the video,that when the korean boy turns
around, he puts his hand up like, oh, my bad, watch the video.
He tries to like diffuse thesituation and then this kid goes
on to score a bunch of pointsblah, blah, blah, blah, blah,
blah.
Who cares?
The kid's great, the kids, thekid's good.
You know what I mean?
He's going, he's a world champ.
He scores a bunch of bodypoints and it was like oh, this
other kid's so disrespectful,yada.
And I'm going.

(48:35):
My problem with that is I'mgoing to say if the roles were
reversed and you switched itaround and it'd be like oh, you
know, this kid was trying to berespectful.
He didn't see him say this blah, blah, blah.
But like it's a fighting sport.
Let them do what they got to do, but don't say this kid's
disrespectful.

Speaker 3 (48:52):
So, Young, what happened?
You hear what happened.
The guy went out of bounds likehe's fighting and he literally
like, like, like, kicks a littlebit.
A little tap in the butt andthen the Korean kid like kind of
jumped and he kind of got inthe face and TJ's right when he
did it he went like this andthey kind of got face to face
and, like you said, the guy goesand beats him pretty bad, but
TJ is like down on his likehands and knees, you know, kind

(49:18):
of like squinting out, and thekorean kid came over and put his
like arm like on, like ashoulder, like that, and the
turkish kid was like pushed himoff, like like get away from me.
And I was kind of like Iactually like I think we need a
little bit of that kind of stuffin the sport, you know.
I mean I mean if they got alittle rivalry, let it be a
rivalry, you know, let them, letthem, let them go and duke it
out.
But like the turkish kid didn'twant any part of it.
Like after he just got whoopedyou this guy coming over, and I
had to kind of big boy him likehey, good, you know it was okay.

(49:40):
And he was like get off me.
And I was like oh so he kind ofkept it going.
You know afterwards, but Ithought that was pretty funny.
Did you ever do that?

Speaker 2 (49:47):
though I mean when we were fighting.
I can remember beating guyspretty bad and I never went over
and tapped him on the show.
I, I always respected myfighter in the sense of, like
it's a match, I'll shake yourhand, I'll put my hand on your
back as I'm walking by, but I'mnot going to treat you like a
child where you're a greatcompetitor and I.
I was fortunate enough to havea good day today and you know, I

(50:08):
I never took it.
I never took it.
I didn't really I meaninternally, I took it personally
, all of it, but I neverdemonstrated.
You know, you'd be hard pressedto find a match and you watch
me fight.
Where I celebrated or Icomplained, I didn't really do
anything.
I just let the, let the ref bethe match, and that was
something I learned from youfrom all that talking you do.

Speaker 3 (50:29):
now, it's true, yeah, you know, I, I mean I, I can
say that when you won you werelike, going like this, and when
you lost lost, you were you.
Just, you know, and I know youhad some, I know you had some
people you didn't like.
And so now that you say thatyou saved up all that energy to
talk now, yeah, oh yeah, and nowthat's why I'm talking back.

Speaker 2 (50:48):
Then I would just bow , leave the ring, come in, go
out.
Man, he's really mean, I'm like, no, I'm just, I got business
to do.

Speaker 3 (50:57):
man, that was awesome .
But you know what, truth to betold, not many people did kind
of crazy fears and stuff likethat.
Everyone's a little bit morestoic.
There wasn't too many peoplejumping around.

Speaker 2 (51:07):
Yeah, I think so.
I think there were a handful of.
I think it started to changelike guys celebrating like well,
I didn't even do that, likeyou'd see guys celebrate points,
right, they'd raise their handwhen they scored.
I never did that even.
I just fought.
I was like too busy fighting tolike do all of that.
And I'm not saying that's goodor bad, I'm just like it just

(51:28):
wasn't my, you know, I mean myson's kind of like that when he
plays soccer he scores a goal,he just walks out, doesn't he
does, he just goes back to theline right, doesn't run over and
slide doesn't do the dance, youknow whatever so, tj, let's
talk about a little bit aboutthe uh, the camp that we're
having right now oh yeah, sowe've been.

Speaker 4 (51:45):
We've been, I mean, we've been going since monday,
right, two, one on monday andthen two almost every day since
um, I've, I you know what thishas been a it's a good feeling
for me to have this many peoplein the gym this early and like
being able to kind of make theseguys comfortable.
And I mean, I think everyone'sbeen training hard.
But I saw this post earliertoday about like collaboration
and competition and how, if youunravel competition, the real,

(52:07):
it's really collaboration,because you want to work with
people, you want to be in a roomwith people who challenge you,
people who who are, you know,just as tough as you, just as
skilled, even more skilled thanyou.
And I think we've, this week,we've done a great job of
putting a good group of peopletogether and I think we've done
some, some great things.
We did some match fightsyesterday which were awesome,
and I wish the grand master ofdisaster would show up to one of

(52:27):
one of these workouts, causeyou'll see, once, once the
coaches get everybody wrangledin and we kind of let them
understand, like what the, the,the purpose of the training is,
and you know what, why we'redoing what we're doing and what
the you know how we're fightingand how you'll see some good
taekwondo, you'll see some goodwork, you'll see some energy.
You'll I mean you.

Speaker 2 (52:48):
so my, my, my email, my email address for the tickets
to put the plane tickets areyeah.
Yeah, I remember that thing Isaid about tickets.
So if you want me to come toNorth Carolina, I'm more than
willing to come.
I know you have too muchTaekwondo knowledge, you don't
need me to do a seminar, but ifyou want to send that free plane
ticket, let me know and just doit on United.

Speaker 3 (53:09):
So.

Speaker 2 (53:09):
I can upgrade.

Speaker 3 (53:10):
But you know, young, I mean really this.
I kind of coordinated it.
Of course, tj was able to hostit, but like it started with
brazil's, they were like, hey,we're going to be here, can we,
can we stay for a camp?
And so when tj's business cametogether, it was like it was
like kind of like a perfectstorm, and then we literally

(53:31):
handpicked people to come, andyou know what I mean.
Talk about collaboration.
Last night, when I was cominghome with the guys that we went
and had some some korean foodand I said you know, there's got
to be a way to do this moreoften.
I mean, you just, the coachesare all hands-on, we're all
there, no one's talking overanybody, the athletes are all
like.

Speaker 2 (53:51):
I mean, we set the tone early I said I wasn't there
, so nobody was talking overanybody.

Speaker 3 (53:55):
That's why I'm talking about the people that
were there.
You know nobody.
I.
I talked to everyone.
I said listen, I didn't reallywant a high intensity.
I wanted to be kind of alearning training environment
and watching these people dowe're doing, we're not kicking
too many targets, everything isbody drills and kind of
situation drills and here's howyou can score points and just to
see them work with each other.
I mean it's been really fun forme.

(54:17):
This is what, exactly what Ienvision when I think about
development.
And there was, there's somekids that have been to work.
We have an olympian there.
I mean, we have some good, youknow, quality people and we have
some, some scrappers, somepeople that haven't been you
recreated.

Speaker 2 (54:32):
So I mean one of the things that I liked about what
you've done over your lifetimeand and it's and it's generated
energy down through your juniorsand colleagues.
You know, when we startedtogether back in the day and we
did those camps together, one ofthe things you'll notice in
those camps were we taughtsessions.
We each taught sessions or welearned from each other.

(54:54):
So I sit quietly.
We had Pedro Xavier there, wehad Christine Banya Rodriguez,
so we let them teach, we watchedthem fight.
So I sit quietly.
We had Pedro Xavier there, wehad Christine Banya Rodriguez,
so we let them teach, we watchedthem fight.
They fought with us.
There's videotapes of usfighting all those cats and you.
And one of the things that Ithink that we were always good
at is we were willing to learnfrom anyone.
We went and learned from thebest in Korea back then.
We went to other countries andwatched them train.

(55:16):
We trained in other countries.
We went to chinese, taipei, wewent around and we we were
always in the room willing tolearn and give people time and
listen and just be quiet tolisten, and I think that is
speaks volumes to your creditand and it you know I'm not
blowing any smoke up.
Your sunday skirt that you wearwhen nobody else is watching but

(55:36):
the the sorry.
Sorry, I didn't want to out you, so it goes with that tj shirt.
Jamaica man, calm down, baby,hold on, hold on.
So that's good, that's.
That's gonna have to rate the.
We're gonna have to rate theyoutube.
Hold on, calm down, baby.
So one of the things that Ithink that you've always done is

(55:59):
you've reincarnated your method, your training method, but,
more importantly, your trainingdynamic.
So you created a performancemodel that encourages
participation and encouragesinclusion, and when you do that,
you open the doors to that, youopen the doors to new ideas,
you open the doors to innovationand you open the door to

(56:21):
creative energies that comethrough cognitive dissidence.
And that's when two differentwaves come together and what
they create is something new,better and bigger or different,
and we talked a lot about thiswith Leon Preston in our thing,
something we're working on, andI think you've done a great job
of that.

Speaker 1 (56:36):
So like yeah, I'd love to be in the room to watch
you guys do what you do youwould, you would enjoy it.

Speaker 2 (56:43):
Yeah, I don't have much to add to that conversation
.
I might.
I'm still like, even with myguys, when I'm preparing my guys
.
Now the nationals, I think, aresomewhere down here, so a
couple of my kids are going togo and fight and so I don't
train them in what you guys aredoing.
You come in, coach, and youtrain them.
I train them on what I do.
I'm like here's basic strategy,here's basic motion, here's what
you have to do in order to beeffective without telegraphing

(57:04):
and everything like that, but tobe in a room where everything
else is happening and understandit, because I think that's
where creativity comes.
And I don't, you know, I youhear me talk a lot about soccer
and I have a lot ofconversations with my son about
soccer because he's doing soccer.
I got to tell you somethingRight now.
What I'm talking about appliesto soccer too.
Soccer is not that hard.

(57:25):
Soccer is hard as a sport, butstrategy-wise soccer is about
intention, explosiveness,deception.
That's it.
You get the ball explosive.
You get the ball moving withouta telegraph.
You get the ball, you tele.
The ball moving without atelegraph.
You get the ball you telegraphor you faint in order to get by
somebody.
That's it now.
That doesn't change whetherit's taekwondo, it's in

(57:45):
basketball.
You take the ball, you lookthis way, you pass the ball this
way, you act this way, you dipyour shoulder, you go another
way.
So every sport, the fundamentaltenets of strategy are present.
The mechanism of the sportchanges it.
Now the front hand punch.
I mean it would be interesting.
The dumbest committee I everserved on in my entire life was

(58:09):
the world taekwondo federationtechnical committee.
It I don't think there weredumber people in the room, with
the exception of two dr, drKaepner and I.
We had to hold their hands andexplain to them what to score,
why and how and why theyshouldn't be certain things.
And the second dumbest guy inthe room for a bright guy was
Yang Jin-bong.

(58:31):
This idiot couldn't understandthe dynamic between pushing and
holding.
And it's really not that hard.
You get two kids in aschoolyard let one push, the
other one's going to hold.
Let one hold, the other one'sgoing to push.
It's a yin and a yang thing andespecially since he comes from
an Asian culture, you'd thinkhe'd understand it.
But you get the technicalcommunity.

(58:52):
That's why I laugh at the guyyelling at you.
That's a guy that doesn'tunderstand taekwondo.
That's not a high levelcompetitor.
That's some guy that learned,watered down taekwondo in some
back ass, back water countrywhere he probably wore a karate
uniform and did the did thepyungan forms from shotokan as
taekwondo this guy's a littleyounger, he fought so.

Speaker 4 (59:13):
But I mean, but for me, yeah, he did that's
irrelevant, but that's why heyelled at you, because he
thought you were better.
It's just a respect thing.

Speaker 1 (59:23):
I cannot respect to you with that Jamaica t-shirt.

Speaker 3 (59:28):
No, but you got off on a tangent.
I was talking about the campitself.

Speaker 2 (59:31):
Of course I got off on a tangent.
This is the Warehouse 15.
Where's your clock, TJ?

Speaker 1 (59:38):
I got one in my office.

Speaker 4 (59:40):
I'm going to put one in my office for you.

Speaker 2 (59:42):
I got one last thing and I won't stop talking.
How did you get Ice to let youin that room do a podcast?
That's all I want to know.
They usually only give you aphone call, and when are?

Speaker 1 (59:55):
you getting on the plane.

Speaker 2 (59:59):
Don't send them to my house.
My last name is Perez.
I'll show them a passport.
They'll still put me on a plane.
What are you laughing about,Marano?

Speaker 4 (01:00:09):
You, next I go.

Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
You're going too.
I'm going to go get my friend,get Juan Moreno.

Speaker 3 (01:00:15):
I got my passport.
You think I'm going to go getmy friend, get Juan Moreno.

Speaker 4 (01:00:19):
I got my passport.
You think I'm joking.
I think that's the coolestthing about this weekend.
It was like kind of preachingintention, like intention and
training intention and purposeintention and the drills more so
.
And I think sometimes, in thisgrand scheme of things where I
think a lot of the world hasglorified the blah, blah, blah,
blah, blah, blah and everybody'slike oh my.
God, that's so amazing and I'mlike that's where.

Speaker 3 (01:00:38):
I was going with this .
Yeah, they go, no, no go get it.

Speaker 4 (01:00:41):
You know we've glorified this like go fast kick
card.
I come from an era where wewent fast and we kicked hard and
we did all this stuff.
But also we did a lot of slowtraining, a lot of like
purposeful Put your foot here,land this way, stand this way,
Recover this way and I think Ienjoyed these last couple of
days so far.
I think I spent a lot of timein my gym with my guys doing

(01:01:03):
those kind of things, trying tolisten.
We got to do it at half speedbefore we can do it at full
speed.
We got to do it in the gym andbe successful.
We can go and do it out of thegym and like I think that was
the thing that we were able tokind of come together and work
towards, like the intention ofeverything that we do.

Speaker 3 (01:01:19):
And it was young, it was what was nice is like again
in this day and age.
Everybody puts stuff on socialmedia.
They're jumping off boxes,they're doing this, Everyone's
trying to do this fancy stuffthat's going to maybe make you
more physical, but when it comesdown to and you were a pit of
me of this scoring points whenthey need to be scored at the
right time, the right moment,blah, blah, blah, and I think
this was what we did here.
And you had a Brazilian input,you had TJ's input, you had my

(01:01:42):
input, you had different ideasand nothing was fast, Nothing
was hard, there was nothinggroundbreaking where you were
like I never thought aboutjumping off a box and moving
forward and going that way.
It was a time to learn, it was atime to exchange, and that's I
told what I say, TJ.
I said I want this to be lowintensity, with a lot of
interaction, and that's exactlywhat we've had and that's where
I was going with this with withyou.

(01:02:03):
I think you would haveappreciated seeing these coaches
give their idea and likesometimes a guy would explain it
and then I would say are you,do you want like this?
He's, Do you want it like this?
He said, yes, they missed thisdetail.
And then TJ would go and showwhat the hell is that.

Speaker 2 (01:02:19):
That's my lighter.
It's electric.
Why do you get distracted?

Speaker 1 (01:02:27):
Woogie, woogie, woogie.

Speaker 4 (01:02:31):
That's like the black man he's trying to make you
forget what you said so he cantalk some more.

Speaker 2 (01:02:36):
I appreciate it.
I'm hearing what he's saying Iappreciate what I'm hearing.
I'm hearing what he's saying.

Speaker 3 (01:02:43):
I'm not.
I just said it was a great camp, hey.
And guess what?
Oh my God.

Speaker 4 (01:02:49):
There had to be one this episode, right, it couldn't
have.
I wish your audio works.
I kind of like this song.
Oh, it's a great song.

Speaker 1 (01:02:59):
You can't hear the audio.

Speaker 2 (01:03:02):
I hate when that happens.
I hate when that happens.
That's my other note to script.

Speaker 4 (01:03:08):
I've had a lot of help this week and like it's
funny, I know you guys haveknown I've just gotten to this
gym and I mean, like if I could,the epitome of a team effort is
crazy.
Like, if I could, the epitomeof a team effort is crazy.
Like I've had so much parentsupport, so much.
How many members do you have now?
I think I'm up to like 15, 16,which is not that bad.
I've gotten some.
I've actually been getting somegood traction and people coming

(01:03:28):
in.
I got a couple first timepeople coming in.
I got some people coming in fortheir second one.

Speaker 2 (01:03:32):
So we're moving, we're busting, we're going to
figure out a way to promote whatyou're doing down there, and I
just want to ask just onefollow-up question Do they pay
you in chicken and rice, or whatdo they pay you in?
Are they paying you in dollars?

Speaker 4 (01:03:46):
Rice.
Oh, those country people, I getit Gumbo gumbo gumbo, but no no
On a serious note, hold on.

Speaker 2 (01:03:54):
I want to get you members, so I'm going to call
upon those 15 members each playthis podcast for them not the
little kids, obviously and tellthem just do me one favor,
what's that?
One?
Bring one member.
Bring one other member.
One other member with more than14, one other member, just one
other member, and then you'llhave 30 by the end of this

(01:04:14):
podcast, by the end of thisyear's podcast, I want you to
have 150 members.
So if you do 15 to 30, 30 getsyou to 60, 60 gets you to 120.
So just one referral each.
Tell me the name of.
Tell me the name, how many, howmany of those members do you
know by name?

Speaker 4 (01:04:33):
All of them.

Speaker 2 (01:04:34):
Like 15, you should All right.
Anyway, we got to get you somemore members.

Speaker 4 (01:04:38):
We got to get you some more members, because
obviously not hard enough, yougot to open up.

Speaker 2 (01:04:45):
I opened with 60 when I opened my first school.
You got to get out.
Are you flyering?
Are you going out there anddoing the work?

Speaker 4 (01:04:51):
No, I'm just sitting in here, you're afraid to knock
on doors down there.

Speaker 2 (01:04:54):
I know, listen.
Get to knock on doors downthere, I know, listen.
Get some flyers.
Get in your car, make sure youput a like a truce flag on it
and then go and knock on somedoors and introduce yourself.
I and coach knows this when Iopened my first school, I
literally took flyers, I walkedthrough the neighborhoods, put
them on doors, knocked on doorsand talked to people.
I opened my first school with60 pre-members, pre-signups, and

(01:05:17):
within five months I had myyear goal.
Within one year I had mythree-year goal and I ended
before covid with 850 members.
So you got to knock on thosedoors, tj.

Speaker 4 (01:05:28):
Get out, you look good yeah, no, we're doing, put
a different t-shirt on.

Speaker 2 (01:05:31):
Put it.
No, get out and knock on door.
Get that t-shirt off.
Put on a real shirt.
Borrow one from moreno.
He's got a nice sweater vest on, or something I'm about to
travel.

Speaker 3 (01:05:42):
I'm about to travel.

Speaker 2 (01:05:43):
I'm about to get home .
You travel, by the way, just sopeople know, you travel dressed
more nicely and professionallythan I go to, than I do to go to
a meeting.
I have never seen somebody.
You, you comb your hair.
You get nice cologne on.
You got a nice shirt.
Nice pair you got a nice shirt.
Nice pair of pants they fitnice.
You got nice shoes, nice socks,in case you take your shoes.
Look at this.

(01:06:03):
I thought you had one morepractice you were going to.

Speaker 3 (01:06:09):
We do.
It's at 3 o'clock.
I'm about to go to it, man.
Oh, all right, just checking.

Speaker 2 (01:06:13):
But anyway, if you guys ever want to invite or get
a seminar from Coach Moreno,just make sure that if you put
him in the Motel 6, it has anoutlet for his hair dryer.

Speaker 3 (01:06:22):
It's true I need one.
But hey, the people man, theywere so nice.
Like they had water for us,they had granola bars, juice
vegetables.
They provided a whole spread offood yesterday.
Meat, chicken, pork, rice,fruit vegetables.
They provided a whole spread offood yesterday.
Meat, chicken, pork, rice,fruit vegetables.

Speaker 2 (01:06:42):
Was the chicken poached or fried?
It was fried.

Speaker 4 (01:06:46):
It was fried, it was delicious.
No, it wasn't fried, it wasdelicious.

Speaker 1 (01:06:50):
I appreciate it, coach Moreno.
The team effort is huge.
Watermelon.

Speaker 4 (01:06:52):
He's so stupid.

Speaker 1 (01:06:52):
You're great, I'm trying to be nice and you're
trying to be stupid.
He won't.
Watermelon.

Speaker 4 (01:06:57):
He's so stupid.

Speaker 3 (01:06:58):
It's great.
I'm trying to be nice andyou're like trying to be.
He won't let me he won't.

Speaker 4 (01:07:01):
let me just be nice.
I can't just be nice.
I'm going to end it with this,I appreciate the collaboration
from, obviously, my my homeparents and my home guys I work
with.
I appreciate the collaborationfrom all the other coaches, the
willingness to stay here andwork and allow us to work with
their athletes.

Speaker 3 (01:07:20):
I mean, it makes me excited and excited for the
future and hopefully I'll liveup to this guy's legend.
I'll have like nine thousandper year, yo perez, you should.
You should be happy, bro.
You should be happy.
What are you talking?
I am happy, no, no, you know,we helped your people, man.
We even have the puerto ricanshere.
Man got two coaches, theirnational team.
Man, we're treating them good.
Man, you're over there talkingshit man I didn't talk anything
about putting.

Speaker 2 (01:07:39):
Uh, listen, you got to set them free, send my
boricua brothers free.
So right now, I was supposed to.
I went to a soccer thing,otherwise I was supposed to play
in the cuban kitchen, thatrestaurant I took you to and I
was supposed to play cuban music.
So I'm working on a trio,trying to find somebody, a man
or a woman, who can singtraditional korean.
Uh, korean, yeah, cuban orpuerto rican songs, so spanish

(01:08:01):
songs.
I'm going to play guitar andI'm going to get a conga player
and we're going to do this atthe cuban kitchen.
So it's going to be uh, youguys can see me a little, my
ethnic background coming out,and then I'm going to invite tj
with his jamaican shirt, I'm notsure.

Speaker 4 (01:08:15):
So I've never been hated on so much.
This guy loves me every time.

Speaker 2 (01:08:20):
I love that.
I love that.
I love that cover.

Speaker 1 (01:08:22):
And my arms in my sleeve, tore my arms out and my
wall was blank.

Speaker 2 (01:08:26):
Moreno had a mission that he did not accomplish.
Moreno had a mission andapparently either he
accomplished it because there'snothing behind you, or he had a
mission.

Speaker 3 (01:08:38):
He gave me a mission impossible.
If I chose to accept, he wasgoing to try to steal my
pictures.

Speaker 1 (01:08:47):
I was going to go and take a picture.

Speaker 3 (01:08:49):
I thought we were going to have dinner at your
house for some reason, but I wasgoing to go in that room and
take a picture of myself likethis and send it to Herb.
And he's like oh man.

Speaker 2 (01:08:58):
Well, now you know you where you stand with TJ.
There are no Mex.
I cans invited to his house.

Speaker 1 (01:09:03):
I can't.
You've been to my house, You'vebeen to my house 60, just one.

Speaker 2 (01:09:08):
You'd have to take them all.
You guys could have snuck outthe back when I but you know
just two.
Two things left before we go.
One don't order sushi or fishin a country or in a place where
they don't have an ocean nextto you.
So if there's not a beach,don't order fish.
Number two in colorado I don'tknow why you guys would think

(01:09:29):
you could buy korean food innorth carolina, it wasn't that
great.

Speaker 4 (01:09:34):
I ain't got a lot of you.
The bulgogi wasn't so good, itwas.
It was me, it was one of those,one of those I don't know like
nouveau.
It wasn't that great.
But I ain't going to lie to you, the bulgogi wasn't so good, it
was mid.

Speaker 3 (01:09:39):
It was one of those I don't know how to pronounce it
like nouveau Korean place.

Speaker 4 (01:09:45):
They had, like you know, the the fusion, whatever
you want to call it.

Speaker 3 (01:09:48):
What is it called the pancake?
Pajeon?
Pajeon, yeah, so they had thepajeon.
Yeah, yeah, they had the pajeon.
Yeah, they had the pajeon comeout.
It was a waffle.
What it was?
A real legit waffle.

Speaker 2 (01:10:01):
Somebody should slap that ajumma right in the head.

Speaker 3 (01:10:04):
You can't make a waffle pajeon, you gotta be
kidding me, it tasted the samebut it looked like a damn waffle
.
I was like what is this?

Speaker 2 (01:10:15):
My Korean ancestors are turning in their grave.
I know you guys don't know thatI'm part Korean, but that's a.

Speaker 3 (01:10:20):
You are.

Speaker 2 (01:10:20):
You didn't know that?
No, of course not.
People used to think so.
They thought something about myeyes.
The guy, jay Warwick, asked methat.
He said are you part Korean?
I'm like what, what?
Which part of Perez would giveyou that idea?
But but I listen, I got to giveJay one thing.
He did teach me something abouttaekwondo, he said.

(01:10:40):
When I first made the team hesaid most people watch taekwondo
.
This was a Jay thing.
They watch it from the top down.
So they watch what the kickdoes and whatever.
You should be watchingtaekwondo from the foot, from
the bottom the stepping, becausethe positioning is what creates
the opportunities for kicks,and that's Jay.
I got to give him credit forthat.
So I thought that was a goodthing that he did.

(01:11:04):
Since then it's been prettymuch a downhill spiral.

Speaker 3 (01:11:07):
How long have we been doing this podcast?
And this guy just gave onecompliment to him.

Speaker 1 (01:11:11):
That was tough for him.

Speaker 3 (01:11:13):
No no.

Speaker 1 (01:11:16):
TJ, we're healing people.

Speaker 2 (01:11:19):
I'm giving you one.
I told jay when he took the job.
I said as long as you don't.
He said I hear that people aresaying that you're saying bad
things about me.
I said I warned you.
I said when you took the job,you had an obligation to fix it.
And when you took, if you'retaking it as a volunteer, you
have an obligation to fix it.
The moment you take a paycheckyou become part of the problem.
And sure enough, he took theplane tickets and paychecks.

(01:11:41):
And you were there when I hadthat conversation with him
because it was at a friend ofours memorial.
And sure enough, he loves theplane tickets and he loves, I
guarantee you, he didn't make adonation to usa taekwondo.
Check the rosters.
He's taking the plane ticketsthough.
He's taking the plane tickets.
Though he's taking the planetickets and the bottles of
kimchi.

Speaker 3 (01:12:01):
Let's end this with Dato3 down, dato3 down Thumbs
down, let me see.

Speaker 2 (01:12:07):
It only does thumbs up.
Let me see if it does thumbs up.

Speaker 3 (01:12:10):
Shout out to Mark from Canada with those things.
He was sending me littlepictures and stuff videos and I
know he listens to our podcast,so thanks a lot and, uh, we
should have shared those.

Speaker 2 (01:12:21):
We should that All right, and, as you know, we're
going to get out of here causeit's been a minute or so.
I want you to go to the goldfund me page to get TJ a new
shirt.
I can guarantee you it won't begreen and lemon yellow with a
tiger or Puma on it.
Nobody in the world's got Pumaanymore.
I didn't even know Puma wasstill in business, so that must

(01:12:42):
be from the 70s, so.
But this is the Warehouse 15and we are out.
I'm going to press stop.

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