Foot-Farting for $50: Is Grand Prix Challenge Worth Your Money?

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Speaker 2 (00:22):
Back to the Warehouse 15, and I am your grandmaster
of disaster and CEO of Sorry,not Sorry, I'm not going to
mention my name because I don'twant to get trolled how you
doing, Coach Moreno.

Speaker 3 (00:35):
I'm doing good.
I wonder if I can buy somestock in that new company.
Sorry, Not Sorry, because thatshit's going to blow up.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
It's going to blow up .
It's already blown up.
How you doing, Mr Bronze TJ.

Speaker 4 (00:46):
I'm good.
I'm good.
Bronze TJ.
A little bit elevated today, wewere talking a little bit, but
I officially found my gym andlocation here in North Carolina.
Congratulations.
I'm very excited about that,thank you.

Speaker 2 (00:58):
Is it in a barn or does it have windows?
Does it have paved streets?

Speaker 4 (01:03):
gravel.
It's a horse stable.
It's a horse stable with uh,nice, yeah, I share it with a
couple of cowboys and circuspeople that perform in the local
area so and good.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
And then did you do a tooth count.

Speaker 4 (01:14):
You get in any so no, but I will be bringing, uh, you
know, peak performance trainingcenters to charlotte, which I'm
super excited about and youknow, you guys know that that
that that place means somethingvery special to me, obviously
the whole organization as awhole.
But being able to kind of likeform, fit that same kind of
style and I got lucky enough tofind out almost a warehouse
style too.
So we're doing some good thingsover here and I'm super excited

(01:36):
and I'll definitely be rollingout a little bit more details
well, I'll be waiting.

Speaker 2 (01:39):
I'll be waiting for my personal invite are you gonna
going to come?

Speaker 4 (01:43):
But if I invite you, are you coming?
But if I invite?

Speaker 2 (01:44):
you, I will show up and.
I will come, you guys.
Don't invite me to anything,you guys get married, you get
girlfriends, whatever.

Speaker 4 (01:52):
I'm the last guy.
You heard him right.
He said he's coming.
Right, you heard him say he'scoming.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
I will come to North Carolina for you.

Speaker 3 (02:10):
I don't go to North Carolina for reason at all,
thank you.
But I will come to northcarolina for you, because I I
had a traumatic experience innorth carolina, so I I try to oh
, I got this one.
I you know what I want to goback.
Let me say something.
First of all, congratulationsto you and your gym.
I mean, I've been lucky enoughto see it.
It's a great look up facility.
It's very big, it's got a lotof potential, so I can't wait to
go there.
I'm gonna, matter of fact, we'regoing to have a kind of a nice
little international camp rightafter the Grand Prix Challenge
in June.
So some people if you'relistening, if you're interested,

(02:30):
we're looking for a fewdifferent people to piece it
together.
We're going to have a Brazilsquad there and some other
people as well.
So I think it'd be awesome tokind of inaugurate that facility
.
But I'm happy for you and Iknow you're going to be
successful.
But, young, speaking of that,the Grand Prix Challenge is
going to come.
It's only cost $3,000 to watchso you can go watch it.

Speaker 2 (02:54):
Yo, I saw that.
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 4 (02:57):
I saw the bill.

Speaker 2 (02:59):
Was that $150 for a minute?

Speaker 4 (03:02):
No, but 50, okay, maybe I don't know because I was
trying to remember the otherGrand Prix but $50 a day or $125
for three days to watchTaekwondo in the Charlotte
Convention Center.
I guess I've always coached andstuff, so I don't really know
the price.
I remember looking at thetickets, they weren't $50,

(03:23):
though that sounds steep.

Speaker 2 (03:25):
I've got a lifetime membership which entitles me to
free entry to any USA Taekwondoevent for the history of mankind
.

Speaker 3 (03:32):
Is that true?
No, it's not true.
What are you talking?

Speaker 1 (03:35):
about.

Speaker 3 (03:37):
They can't rescind that.
It says for two tickets, for USOpens and for Nationals.
What yeah, that's what I lookedthe other day, for US Opens and
for Nationals.
What yeah, that's what I lookedI looked the other day because
$800.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
I got my official membership patch, I got my
little card, I got a gold card.

Speaker 1 (03:50):
Okay, I had one too.

Speaker 2 (03:51):
Now they want to change the rules.
They could change the rules.
I mean, I'm not sure I want togo in there because I may have
to slap somebody.

Speaker 3 (03:59):
I mean, I'm not trying to be facetious here for
Olympic Olympic medalists.
If the Olympic medals want toshow up and go to the grand prix
challenge the USA Taekwondoshould 1000% be like.
Absolutely, we'd love to haveyou here.
I mean, I'm just being honest Ibe making.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
You know me making any further donations to USA
Taekwondo or the world TaekwondoFederation would be tough.
I'm not.
I don't mind spending money onon stuff, that kind of matters,
I think the problem is to be on.
I don't want to pay for jay andsteve's plane tickets anymore.

Speaker 3 (04:31):
I'm kind of done with that.
I think the problem is is, isit's not going to be a big event
, in a sense of, like you're notgoing to have, you know, 800
competitors, so you're not goingto make a lot of money, right?
So, um, but it does kind ofsuck for the specters.
I mean, if I'm a, if I have my,my kid there and I want to
bring my me, my wife and my youknow, one of the siblings now

(04:53):
you're spending a lot of moneyto, and that's just.

Speaker 4 (04:55):
You know, that's a lot of money.
It's 125 for the weekend if youwant to watch all three days.
Obviously divisions ondifferent days, like for some of
my parents and I was likepushing for them to go watch and
everything I'm looking at.

Speaker 3 (05:05):
Some got two and three, four people in their
family so we're looking at likesix over 600 bucks for a week in
the watch tech window andnormally they have three
sessions.

Speaker 4 (05:14):
So I mean yeah, it said for the, it said for the
day.
That would be crazy.
It did say for the day, so atleast we're not going that deep
into it.
But 50 bucks is still crazyit's a little.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
That's a little bit of money.
I mean I, to see something.
I mean what's the right way tosay it?
To see something I want to see,I wouldn't mind paying it.

Speaker 4 (05:32):
You know I'll pay that for a jeff beck concert may
he rest in peace but the ideathat I would pay it for this I
would pay it but like I'm gonnabe very I would have to be very
unhappy about it becauseobviously I've been to a lot of
grand prixs and got to sit a lotof grand prixs from coaching or
being in the stands and stadium, like I like watching it at
that level or like thatcompetitive level.

(05:53):
This is the problem with thisone is it's a challenge.
So it's not like you're gettingthat the highest ranked people
in a room like and with theranking reset, you're not, and
you'll get a couple.
You'll get a couple big namesthat'll mix in and stuff like
that.

Speaker 3 (06:04):
But 50 bucks a day, my man, that's let me ask you,
speaking about that, the grandprix, you know, challenge.
Do you think that, um, do youthink that americans are gonna
like, if they're not involved,they're gonna, they're gonna fly
there to watch it?

Speaker 4 (06:20):
I'm gonna say slim to none.
We got the internet, internet.
Now, like I try to get you knowpeople to watch matches and
stuff online, I don't see thembuying a plane ticket flying in
staying there for the weekend.
I mean maybe a few, but itain't going to be like a flood
to Charlotte kind of event.

Speaker 3 (06:34):
It's going to be local people, it's going to be
whoever's in the Charlotte.

Speaker 4 (06:37):
you know North Carolina maybe South Carolina
area, georgia, georgia, I don'tknow.
But that's what I'm saying.
That's why I think you wouldmake it a little cheaper.
You know, reach out to some ofthe school owners to be like,
hey, you bring that from yourschool, get some like group
discount or something, but 50bucks a day is is crazy.
What are we watching?

Speaker 3 (06:53):
why are you bringing up old stuff, man, that's like
10 years ago bro yeah, I'm notcoming to watch this.

Speaker 4 (06:59):
I'm not coming to watch that says no, actually
it's illegal's illegal and youcannot do it.

Speaker 2 (07:03):
I'm not coming to watch this?
I'm not coming to watch this.
This looks like that thing,that process.
What's his other hand doing?
That's what I want to know.
What's his other hand that youcan't see?

Speaker 3 (07:17):
So I'm just yeah, I see that guy right there.
That's an Iranian guy thatfought for Azerbaijan.
That's a bad dude.
Oh no, no.

Speaker 2 (07:25):
I never have a bad thing to say about Iranian
fighters.
Those guys are amazing.
But you know, $150 for a good$125.

Speaker 4 (07:35):
$125.

Speaker 2 (07:37):
$125 for three days $125 for a good meal, watch foot
farting, I don't know, but Ithink you guys are.
I think you guys are wrong.

Speaker 1 (07:46):
I think what's going to come up.
I'm coming to see you guysoutside the arena.
We'll go outside the arena.
Let's go podcast live there.

Speaker 3 (07:55):
We could do that.

Speaker 2 (07:59):
I'll tell you what I want to do.
I want to get some friedalligator Chitlins grits and
some Elvis Presley fried peanutbutter banana sandwiches Is that
a North Carolina thing?
Isn't it.

Speaker 4 (08:14):
I don't know.
You know more than I knowAnything south of the
Mason-Dixon line.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
If I go to Miami, I want some cafe con leche.
I go to North Carolina, I wantsomebody serving me with teeth
and I want a little bit more offried food.

Speaker 1 (08:31):
Well anyway.

Speaker 2 (08:32):
I heard they have fried espresso down there.
Is that true Only on Wednesdays?
I need to stop because I don'twant the North Carolina people
hating me.

Speaker 4 (08:41):
They're going to be waiting for you when you get off
the plane.
It's a beautiful state.

Speaker 2 (08:43):
They'll be waiting for you when you get off the
plane.
It's a beautiful state.
They'll be waiting for you toget off the plane for a
different reason, my friend.
So you know, I'm hoping, butI'm hoping, but not hoping.
So you know but don't worry, wealways got your back, so you
don't have to worry.

Speaker 1 (08:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
But the pricing on tickets.
They should want full stands.
So they should do, and evenKorea does this, and you guys
know this.
When they can't find spectatorsfor an event, they go into the
local school system and theyinvite them in for whatever
reason.

Speaker 1 (09:11):
Maybe they do that, I think guys will go to this.

Speaker 2 (09:13):
It's international competition in the States and I
think you'll get all theseJohnny Come Lately Johnny Come
Hopefuls which is going to bringus into our next conversation
that think they can be Olympians.
You have a better chance ofgetting struck by lightning, run
over by a car and opening ataekwondo school in North
Carolina than you do of anOlympic berth at this point

(09:35):
right.
So you know the amount ofpeople trying to get to the
Olympics and the amount of spotsavailable in the United States
and the qualification process.
You either have to beindependently wealthy or travel
savvy, like our friend GrandMaster Lee was in figuring out
the travel hacks to get to allthese events that you got to get

(09:56):
points in.
So I think the process isinteresting.

Speaker 3 (10:00):
You know it's funny.
You say about I mean I knowwe're getting off topic real
fast, but you know the Olympicsobviously it's hard, I mean to
get there, but you know it'sfunny.
You say about I mean I knowwe're getting off topic real
fast, but you know the Olympicsobviously is hard I mean to get
there, but you know kind of wellyou're going to crucify him.
So obviously, dr Cho and WT, hereally was trying to be close
to Bach, right, you know.
And now he's out.
And now there's a new president.

(10:20):
We talked about her a coupleepisodes ago.
It's interesting because now onthe Olympic docket in 2028,
gymnastics think about whatgymnastics have.
They've got women overall,women, men teams, individual
things.
Now they have mixed.
They have men and women aregoing to be a team.

(10:40):
They got another chance to winOlympic medals.
Soccer went from.
I think the women are going tobe a team.
They got another chance to winolympic medals.
Um, soccer went from.
I think the women are going tohave 12 teams now and the men
are going to have eight teams.
So they they increased the.
The women's team, like there'sall swimming got another another
.
Uh, the distance, I forgot whatI want to say it's 50 something

(11:00):
.
But my point is they'veexpanded and yet we still
haven't got one more weightcategory per gender, the mix.
They were talking about thistag team fighting Right TJ, and
it's exciting and guess what?

Speaker 4 (11:18):
I hate it.
I hate it.
I'm not a fan.
We did tag team stuff.
I liked when we did it, thatone time I forget what year it
was where each person had tofight the whole match.
So the flyweights fought theflyweights, the featherweights
fought the featherweights and itwas the overall team score.
Now that format for a teamthing, I think you take that and
it's better.
I like that better.

(11:39):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (11:40):
It it's a little bit more like a real fight versus
this craziness.
But I mean, I've been to, youknow, a couple of these big
events and I'll tell you whatit's crazy and I can understand
the fans sitting back going likewhoa.
But my point whether it's goodor bad is not the point.
My point is they almost mansold us fake stock, but that's
going to be in 2028 or poomsae.

(12:01):
And now here we are nothing newon the docket in 2028 or
poomsae's up.
And now here we are.
Nothing new on the docket, likeI just I don't know a failure
on you know, on our part, youknow on taekwondo, to not have
the right connections or doingthe right thing to get them in.
I mean, as far as I know, Imean that's.
That's sad that we weren't ableto expand on my part.

Speaker 4 (12:20):
That's definitely.
That's definitely a big part ofthe problem, though I mean he
just said it like the thelikelihood of you getting there
with a number of spots availableand the way the system is
rigged.

Speaker 2 (12:31):
Well, the cap, the athlete cap and the coach's cap
and all that stuff is going tomake it tough, but they have
announced the new uniform for2028.
And I know that it was.
I don't know if you guys haveseen it, but I'll share it with
you.

Speaker 4 (12:49):
That's his favorite picture.
That's literally his favoritepicture ever.

Speaker 3 (12:52):
He had that picture on bio.
It's behind me.

Speaker 2 (12:56):
That's why I'm not doing my screen share.

Speaker 4 (13:01):
That's his favorite picture.

Speaker 2 (13:02):
You know, I mean, I keep hearing these stories about
these amazing athletes who canjump, jump through the air,
flying, kick things and actuallyreally do taekwondo.
Yet every time I watch a match,you know I I see what I see and
I and I know I don't like to.
I'm not slamming the athletes,I'm just saying there comes a
time kids right now, for example, can't research anymore because

(13:26):
they have Google and soon theywon't be able to write because
they have AI, google and AIGemini and all these other
things.
So once you stop usingsomething, it starts to
deteriorate.
So when you start changing theparadigm of what excellence is,
you stop, you lose it.
You use it or lose it.
And so right now, you know Ihear all these stories about

(13:49):
people that can back kick.
I haven't actually seen it, butI hear that people can back
kick and, as a guy who can backkick, I can tell you I haven't
seen anybody actually back kick.
I will say this and both of youwill agree you both know that
when you're getting ready for acompetition, you don't waste
time on true technique.
You waste time when we did,because it was what scored, but

(14:12):
you waste time on what's goingto score, points and strategies
that are going to score points.
Now, if that's what you spend10 years doing, there comes a
time when your strategy and yourtechnique atrophies, and that's
kind of what I see happening,and I see it happening in my gym
.
You know, I have a gym where weteach and we have competitors
come in and coach.
Moreno and Pete come in and doour high level training and our

(14:35):
guys, we and, by the way, we doa lot of stepping we warm up
with stepping.
My young three and four yearolds actually step better than
my current competitors they usebecause we do a warmup, which,
Jason, you know my headinstructor, uh, I was on the
national team for the AAU.
Um, he teaches at the beginningand he's actually good at it,

(14:58):
better than me.
So my, I was watching my threeand four-year-olds and I'm like,
oh dude, these guys are,they're good at stepping.
My competitors, they're allleaning back on their back leg,
their hands are covering theirtaint and uh, you know, and and
I, I'm yelling at him I'm like,you know, I, I, I forced them to

(15:20):
do Taekwondo and so, um, anyway, you come to North Carolina, I
think you'll, you'll like itTaekwondo.

Speaker 3 (15:22):
When you come to North Carolina.
I think you'll like it.
I think when you come to NorthCarolina you'll sit back and
have a coffee and kind of watchthese kids.
I'm not going to the gym.

Speaker 2 (15:31):
No, no, no.
I'm coming to see you guys, I'mnot going to the gym.

Speaker 3 (15:34):
You're not coming to my gym.

Speaker 2 (15:38):
I'm coming to your gym, I'm not going to a
Taekwondo event.
I'm not going to a Taekwondoevent.
No, I mean like I'm not goingto the Grand Poop.
I think he's talking abouttraining.
He's talking about training.

Speaker 4 (15:46):
No, I'm coming to see you.

Speaker 2 (15:47):
No, I'll come in your gym and I love you guys.
You know I'll come to your gym.
I'm not going to the Grand Poop.
If I want to see a Grand goingto be going to Ithaca, I am
going to.
Um.
I'm going to now openly ask forany Taekwondo guy out there

(16:10):
that wants to run a Taekwondogym in Ithaca to let me know,
because I'm going to put somesort of facility out that way so
I can visit my son when he's atcollege.
So I I thought about a littlebit.
So if you are from that area ofthe world where cold knows no
bounds, let me know, becauseI'll come visit you and I'll
talk to you about uh, doingsomething out there, and that's

(16:33):
going to be my contribution backto taekwondo but, more
importantly, my contributionback to myself.
So I have an excuse to go visituh, ith Syracuse, that whole
area there and Binghamton,binghamton, Binghamton.
So I want to put a good schoolup there to compete with my good
friends up in that way.
Let's get to our next one.

(16:55):
Go ahead.

Speaker 3 (16:55):
Coach, I know we want to get into talking about some
centralized training stuff.
You guys happen to watch theUFC and notice it was in Miami.
First of all, I love watchingall the MMA stuff, but there's
one here in UFC UFC I think itwas three, 14.
It was in Miami.
One of my former studentsfights in the UFC.
She married a UFC fighter thatfought against George St Pierre.

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His name is Dan Hardy and shewas in town to do UFC Latino.
She cause town to do UFC Latino.

Speaker 2 (17:25):
She cause there's a lot of Hispanics on the card,
and so she was doing all theinterviews.
What's her name?

Speaker 3 (17:28):
Her maiden name was Veronica Macedo but now her name
is Veronica Hardy and she livesin.
She was in England with him andhe's from England.
But super nice guys.
I mean she's a great girl.
She, like I said, she fights.
But anyway, I went to see herat the hotel.
We know that all the UFC guyswere hanging around.
But earlier in the week I got acall from you guys both know

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her, sanaz Shabari.
Sanaz called me and said she'sworking with a guy or has a
friend that's in the UFC andhe's fighting on the card and he
ended up fighting where I'mgoing with this.
He came over from Bellator.
His name is Fabricio Pitbulland he fought Jair Rodriguez,
who's a Mexican that lives inChicago but has a Taekwondo

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black belt, apparently, and he'ssupposedly one of the best
kickers in the UFC.
And they contacted me becausethey wanted to see if we had a
guy that can kind of mimic himand stuff.
And it didn't work out.
I mean it was short, shortnotice, but if you watch the
fight, this dude was doingTaekwondo.
This dude did double kicks.
He, uh, did a back kick, he dida Rouse kick, he did fast kick,

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like he was.
He had a huge height advantagebut he, he didn't kick like a
UFC guy.
You know what I'm saying.
He didn't have the Muay Thaistyle.
I mean it was fast.
I mean I didn't think it had alot of power because it didn't
do a whole lot of damage to theguy, but from a distance
standpoint it was prettyinteresting.
I was just thinking howimportant kicking is nowadays in

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UFC.
You'll hear all thecommentators.
I wish they'd kick the Langer.
I mean it's just funny how thelast year and a half to two
years, how kicking not.
You know he needs to shoot more, he needs kicking.
Kicking to set up a levelchange, to set up the punches,
to set up grappling.

Speaker 4 (19:10):
Yeah, kicking's huge.
I think finding the rightpeople to teach you to kick the
MMA style of that I hate when Isee them kick and spin around in
a circle like a long.
It drives me nuts.
I'm like no one's ever saiddon't do that to you.
And they're doing it at thehighest level and I don't get it
and I always thought maybe it'ssome kind of like super secret
mma technique or somethingthat's her.

(19:32):
Hey, yep, she got a nastyknockout.
Remember that one.
You showed me her route dude,that was nasty.
She slept her her.

Speaker 3 (19:41):
Yeah, it was nasty.

Speaker 4 (19:42):
It was when she was young too, and the worst part
about that was when she slepther.

Speaker 3 (19:45):
She just like you know we all hit some people.
She just like just walked back.
I'm like dude, she's a killerman, tough girl, tough girl, but
you're right.
Tj, I mean, I think it was evenworse when they kick and they
try to stop and they don't goall the way around.

Speaker 4 (20:01):
But that's weird, like how, but that's timing.
This does not know how to throwthe technique and stuff like
that.
But if you can kick what's hisname?
What's his name?
Wonder Boy he can kick.
He's a kicker, you don't thinkso?
I think the best.

Speaker 2 (20:15):
He can do a sidekick.
As far as you know, he's gotsome fun connor.
Connor mcgregor can kick conormcgregor did.
He did some.
They have some look out therefor videos of him.

Speaker 3 (20:27):
You're crazy trading in tight in tight, can't fight
at all.

Speaker 2 (20:29):
Anyway, got a left hand oh, I'm not saying anything
bad about him.

Speaker 1 (20:32):
He's still a bad guy the uh I offered a long time ago
.
You know, as you guys know,they asked me to trash.
They asked me I'm not going tosay it, I hear they asked me to
fight.
I said trash.

Speaker 2 (20:38):
They asked me to.
I'm not going to say it.
They asked me to fight becausehe's crazy.
I was asked to fight in thefirst UFC, I commentated the
second and then, after I watchedthe second and a few others, I
was going to put together a teamof guys which they actually
have done years later to trainthose guys, because I figured a

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guy like me or you guys couldhelp them learn how to kick
properly and become some of thebest kickers in the world and
then get the best boxing guy, aguy like Mike Swain with judo,
to train these guys.
And then, of course, theyalready had the best jujitsu
guys, so they don't need thatnow because they've incorporated
all that.
But I gotta be honest, the uh,the Taekwondo guys still are.

(21:21):
You know, it would be difficultto say that taekwondo guys
aren't the best kickers in theworld, right?

Speaker 3 (21:33):
I mean it just would be impossible to say.
I think I mean honestly UFCpeople, like I mean I don't know
.
Do you remember the name?
Rick Rufus.

Speaker 2 (21:42):
Oh, he was a bad guy man.

Speaker 3 (21:42):
Yeah, yeah, he was a kickboxer but he so I grew up
with him, him and Arlene.
Him and Arlene actually used totravel around together when
they were kids and he was apoint karate fighter.
But he comes from a Taekwondobackground.
His dad, pat Rufus, and myinstructor, my first instructor,
named Jerry cook.
They were like good friends,friends, and so you know rick,
uh, pat, the dad rick, and thennow, um, duke rufus has a big

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gym in milwaukee and that'swhere pettis came from.
You know pettis, the guy thatjumped off the cage and kicked
him down the face.
Um, and, they have a taekwondobackground.
He's a huge muay thai guy too,but his original background was
taekwondo.
So, talking about integratingtj, he knew how to do it.
You know, my guy russell, fromiowa, russ is a ticwano guy,
kickboxing guy, and he's had astable of people that nobody

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knows and they kind of slowlymade their way up into the ufc
and he just knew how to kind ofteach kicking a little bit with
the punching and as the guys gotbetter they move on to bigger,
better gyms, you know.
So I think it takes the rightguy, the right understanding of
the fight game, both punching,kicking and grappling, because
if you just got Do you think youhave to know how to kick now or

(22:48):
do you have to know how to?

Speaker 4 (22:49):
I think you have to know how to defend getting
kicked and I think if you knowhow to kick, you know how to
defend getting kicked, and Ithink that's the problem with
the UFC.
I think some of those guysshots probably the middle to
lower level guys, but they'regetting hit because they don't
know how to defend it.

Speaker 3 (23:01):
That's true because think about any of us Young, you
had a great spinning, hook kick.
But just to stand there andspin, hook kick someone in the
face, not on a counter, not on asetup, that should never happen
.
No, getting up front leg in theface is bad enough, but a big
spin, and so you're right.
Sometimes somebody spins andyou guys are like, and all of a

(23:21):
sudden there's like you'regetting cracked off the line
dude and it makes no sense to me.

Speaker 4 (23:26):
I'm like you knew exactly what angle it was coming
, where it was going to land,and they're just like hands down
looking the opposite way, yeah.

Speaker 2 (23:33):
You know.
But I will say this these guys,you know anybody, anybody that
can get elbowed in the face, andjust look at you.
You know they get my respect.
You elbow me in the face.
I'm gonna lay on the floor andcry, so you know I, I, I uh me
too.

Speaker 3 (23:51):
Yeah, I let nobody punch me in the face those guys
are views they're.
They're nasty dudes, they'rerough dudes and they and they
train hard you.

Speaker 2 (23:58):
One thing I don't know, that's why that's why you
got to say this is what you gotto take.
From that, though and this iswhat I loved about I don't like
all the tattoos and the bravadoand all that nonsense.
I like, though they took justanything and turned it into
something, so they realize theyhave their hands like this, they
can drop an elbow, that dirtyboxing stuff.

Speaker 1 (24:18):
They said okay what's effective.

Speaker 2 (24:22):
Forget all this nonsense about.
You know, I lived on amountaintop.
I'm a fat picture in a Koreancave and I did take young.
They took all that nonsense,threw it away and said, okay, if
I drop my elbow on this guy'shead when I'm posting up, it's
going to really hurt.
Or when he goes to punch me Iput my elbow up.
You know which?
We knew it's going to hurt, andso they, they just, they
utilitized, they made it realand pragmatic.

Speaker 3 (24:45):
Listen, jujitsu with the Gracies and then UFC even
more to a different level,because when the jujitsu came
from the Gracies they actuallyproved that they had the best
martial art by just winning allthe matches.
But UFC has even MMA, has eveneclipsed just jujitsu.
Because, you know the best, thebest base for mma right now is

(25:06):
wrestling.
Wrestling is not judo it'swrestling because these dudes
are so strong they can holdpeople down.

Speaker 4 (25:12):
But to your point, you're exactly right, they, you,
mma screwed martial arts,because now, if you just do
taekwondo, you just do jiu-jitsu, just do kickboxing, just do
kenpo, just do whatever it's,it's, it's, it's only one little
part of defending yourself yeah, but I, when I, when I see,

(25:32):
even when I see these like, uh,like a taekwondo school or
martial arts school or whateveryou want to call it mma school
that starts teaching mma fromthe beginning, I'm always so
baffled, like because it's asthey incorporate everything.
It's like, oh, we're going toteach you MMA that's such a
broad term to use.
But then you see the result ofthat they know a little bit of
this, a little bit of that.

Speaker 3 (25:49):
I know, I know I get it they're getting these young
kids that are 18 and 19 in theUFC.
One guy just fought in the cartoo.
I forgot his name.
You know, a white dude inlittle curly hair.
He looks if you saw him atStarbucks you'd be like yo go
give me a latte, fool Like.
He looks like that kid.
But this kid's like 155 pounds,he kicks, he punches, he
submits, I mean, and that's howwe learned.

(26:10):
He didn't even learn taekwondo,he just learned MMA and that's
kind of the to your point, youngthat's the facility.

Speaker 4 (26:30):
Why is?

Speaker 2 (26:30):
Tony Graff calling me .
Hold on a second.
You know what I mean, coach.
Are you lonely?
Do you want to be on thepodcast?
I'll send you a link.
Yeah, yeah, do you want to beon, would you like?
Would you like to come on as aguest?

Speaker 4 (26:45):
Yeah, we have call-ins.
Now what we have call-in now.

Speaker 2 (26:48):
Do you want to be on or no?
I'm not Right now.
All right, call me later.
Love you, bye.
That's funny.

Speaker 1 (26:58):
That was.

Speaker 2 (26:59):
Anthony Graff, who has had the good pleasure of
training with or being trainedby everybody on this podcast.
So he's a great young man, apicture of masculinity with a
lifting body that was featuredon men's health and fitness, and
he walks around miami without ashirt, shirtless, or with a

(27:21):
tank top.

Speaker 4 (27:21):
I remember this guy.
When I first came to Miami hewas obviously the team.

Speaker 2 (27:29):
I think, he's 5'8.

Speaker 4 (27:30):
No, he's a little shorter than me.

Speaker 1 (27:31):
A little shorter, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (27:34):
But I remember coming there and I always tell people
I appreciated the welcome that Igot.
I remember since we got therewe were doing some kind of
warmup drills and me and himended up fighting up and down
the floor.
But he kind of set the tone forme and I think at that point in
my career I needed someone likethat.
He just came, he showed up, hetrained, he worked hard, he
wanted more and if you weren'tthere for the same reason you

(27:54):
avoided him.
You just stayed away.
If you weren't a serious guy, ifyou weren't there to train for
real, you needed not to be onthat side of the room, because
if you were on that side of theroom you were meant to work and
you could get the worst of himand the best of him all at the
same time.
So that was my guy.
He was, I mean, talk about justpure, savage and pure just
wanting to train and want to hitpeople and want to work like it

(28:14):
was.
It was phenomenal being able totrain next time in the gym, in
the gym, so shout out.

Speaker 3 (28:19):
it's funny because I know he came there you go.
That's when he was skinny.

Speaker 4 (28:25):
That's when he was skinny.

Speaker 2 (28:27):
Look at his neck he looks like Jason Statham.
I'm waiting for him to save theworld.

Speaker 3 (28:33):
Get the Isopure picture.

Speaker 2 (28:34):
Isopure that's the one where he's going to end up
Isopure advertisement.

Speaker 3 (28:38):
You know what Young he was at the Olympic Training
Center and he left and he hadnever made the team.
He comes to Miami and he makesthe national team, but he was At
the bottom.
The bottom of the image, rightthere, see that one, this one.
Yeah, he might have the fullbody.
There should be a full body onelike that.

(28:59):
But even that he's skinny there.

Speaker 2 (29:03):
Look at this nonsense .
Holy Jesus, I bet he's 25pounds heavier.

Speaker 3 (29:08):
I can't see that Anyway.

Speaker 2 (29:10):
Tony's a great guy.

Speaker 3 (29:11):
His daughter changed with us now so I see him, you
know, four times a week andstuff like that.

Speaker 4 (29:18):
Those are the vibes, though.
Those are the gym vibes that Imiss, those like raw and cut.

Speaker 3 (29:22):
It kind of goes right into what we were about to talk
about.
I mean that he called we'retalking about centralized
training, we're talking aboutyou know somebody I guess
somebody put something at thepost on social media about the
Olympic Training Center.
I mean, I didn't see it.

Speaker 2 (29:38):
So there was this post put up.
So a couple of things, and Idon't want to throw shade or
whatever they call it on people,but I will say this Okay.

Speaker 4 (29:48):
I will say this Shade warning guys, shade warning,
this might be scary.
There might be a boulder horse.
I should change my name.

Speaker 2 (29:55):
I should say Shade Master, shade Master, that's me
Shade Master Flex.
Shade Master, that's me, shadeMaster Perez.
So here's the thing, and yougot to always remember this
Everything is temporal ortime-based.
So if you want to talk aboutthe greatest fighter or the
greatest basketball player orthe greatest, this, and you say,
but if he fought him in thisday, so it's all time-based,

(30:15):
like Rocky Marchiano, whateverhis name was, versus X, y and Z.
So you can't really say, butwhat you can say is at the time.
If you want to look at thingsin time, that's one thing.
So there was a post put uprecently about the grand old
days and the amazing Olympictraining center and how it
developed athletes and how ithad so much success.

(30:36):
Now, that's a time-based thing.
And so what I will say from myexperience as a guy who was
there when they started theprogram I was there when they
started the program.

Speaker 3 (30:46):
I was at the Olympic Training Center.
Was it 86 or?

Speaker 2 (30:48):
87?
.
First batch of people thatactually went there in 1985 was
when the first time they allowedtaekwondo to have athletes
there and I was there for a campwith mike kim.

(31:08):
Uh, canada, canada, from yourarea, the all those hoodlums,
eric errol, whatever his namewas, and, um, a lot of great
athletes, um, and they were allthe second, third and fourth
place finishers at the nationalchampionships and we had a camp
there and from that camp I madethe national team the next year.

(31:31):
That and a few other things,that was the first time they had
it.
That next year they made anapplication to get beds at the
Olympic Training Center and thatwas the first time they had a
team there.
Other than that, the only timeyou went to the training center
was when you were preparing foran international competition.
So, to be clear, the first groupof people that went to the

(31:53):
Olympic Training Center which Iwas offered to go and I chose
not to go, and they wanted us togo because they wanted us to
train with the resident coach,our best coaching was at home,
our best training partners wereat home, and every sport that
had athletes at the OlympicTraining Center in residence

(32:13):
program, including judo, thosewere the wannabe has-beens.
Those were the guys that couldnever make a national team.
Because I love all those guys,the judo guys especially, and
I'd be like, oh you guys goingto?
Where are you guys going thisyear?
And they're like we're notgoing anywhere.
They were the team they neverwon nationals, they never did
anything.
And so we used the Olympictraining center team when it was

(32:35):
there as target practice,because they would show up at
practice and these would be theguys that didn't make teams, had
never made a team and weren'tgood enough to make teams, to be
honest.
And so when they show up at apractice, we were kind of like
aspirin.
We were like what are theseguys doing there, which we
should have been?
We were there to train with thebest in the country to beat the
best in the world, so we coulduse them as target holders.

(32:58):
We could put chest protectorson and beat them up, but they
weren't really ending.
Now that may have changed overthe years, but that's a focus of
the Olympic Training Centerprogram and each one of you have
been in different incarnationsof that program and I watched
the program.
I was on the US team for eightyears right, kind of right right
, 86 through 92, four plus sixyears, and I watched the program

(33:25):
evolve so that guys who didmake the national team would
move to colorado and then theywere already on the national
team and then they went to trainand you guys probably did that
at some point yeah, I, I, when Iwas, I had two team members
that actually went one year tograduate and next year the other
one graduated and I was kind ofin line to kind of follow them
up there.

Speaker 4 (33:45):
But I think about it now, it was, it was the thing to
do at that moment.
Like I said, two of my reallygood friends were going out
there.
You know they were building ayoung team, I guess.

Speaker 2 (33:52):
But well, who was the ?

Speaker 4 (33:53):
coach?
Who was the coach?
What's his name?
Who was coached when Arnell andAnthony were out there and all
Han Won, lee, yes, yeah, but HanWon.

Speaker 2 (34:02):
Lee was part of the crooked mafia Han Won.

Speaker 4 (34:04):
Lee was.
I don't know anything.

Speaker 2 (34:05):
Han Won Lee had the Korean mafia cheating with the
referees.
Han Won Lee was the worstincarnation of the Olympic team
coach that we ever met.
That's right.
He was my teammate and I wentto Korea with the guy, but once
he got there he corrupted andand and, quite frankly, had a
program, had a lot of problems.
There were lawsuits and allsorts of stuff.

Speaker 4 (34:26):
They left athletes on mountains and you know they
abused guys and it wasridiculous I mean, yeah, no, I
was gonna say like, and I thinkthat's really what it comes down
to when you say like, I don'tknow if it's, I don't think
that's necessarily the case now,but, like for someone outside
the program, I ended up becominga world-class athlete, a part
of the world-class athletesprogram.
I had friends that were part ofthe program and they had all

(34:48):
the benefits and they were, youknow, they had the full salaries
, they had the, you know, travel, international and all this
stuff like that.
And at 18 years old, in mybrain, like you just said, I had
the best coaching I couldpossibly get.
You just said I had the bestcoaching I could possibly get.
So, me being where I was, it'shard to go.
I'm going to join this programand leave everything I've been
doing that's gotten me to thislevel just because they have
control or just because it looksgood or sounds good, and I

(35:10):
think we're back at the samething again.
I mean you got kids and peoplethat you got kids outside the
system right now that are topperformers in the country.
I had some athletes that werein the WCAP program at the time
that were top, um, topperformers in the country, and
there's there's no site of beingfunded or supported because
they're not within the, the, thesystem or within the academy.
So cause like that's why, whenI go back to the whole club team
thing, that's the issue youhave talent, you have coaching,

(35:33):
you have people, but forwhatever reason, we can't figure
it out that you can't justplunge everyone into one place
and teach them all the samething and hope it works.

Speaker 3 (35:41):
So let me.
Let me add this First of all.
I think it's all in the, in the, the explanation, the branding
of, of the marketing of what thefacility is supposed to be.
You're right, young, and backin the day it went through a
couple of different transitions.
Some people were there thatdidn't deserve to be there and

(36:07):
everybody asked how come not me?
Then people were resentfulbecause why did they get to
train and eat and travel all thetime when I'm way better than
them?
I'm on the national team.
And then I got to a point whereit was the national team, other
than you and Kevin Padilla.
Six of the men were from theteam.
And so we have all these upsand downs.
And so now, tj, I'll say you'reprobably right.
This program was brought here inthe United States to
centralized training.
I think in concept it makessense, but I think athletes have

(36:28):
to be willing and able to gothere, not required to go there.
Especially if they have aworld-class coach, they have
great opportunities.
They should be able to kind ofcome and go because they're
performing.
Now, if they're not performingand they're no good, then
probably nobody would want themanyway.
Or you say listen if you don'treally want to get better and

(36:49):
come over here and do what we'redoing, but it shouldn't be
mandatory, because look rightnow if I'm not mistaken.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
Tj, our centralized trainingprogram in the United States of
America, has two male athletesIs that correct?
Out of eight?

Speaker 4 (37:06):
On the team.
I think you might be close.
I think it's heavyweightmultiweight.

Speaker 3 (37:12):
Yeah, that's it, that's it too.
On the women's side there's afew more.
One didn't have to fight, onemade it.
Who else made it?
I mean maybe Hannah, but anyway, my point is if you got the
biggest, best program, youshould have all the people on

(37:33):
the team.
Hypothetically maybe an outlierhere or there.
The fact is there's a lot ofgood coaches with good programs
that people feel comfortable inand if they make the team and
they can go out there for somecamping and get some extra stuff
in maybe a thing or two to addto whatever you're doing I think
that's the way it should behere in America.
I know there's other countrieswhere it's systematically you go

(37:56):
and you get better, but inAmerica there's good coaching,
there's good programs, there'sgood competition.
Sometimes there's good funding.
That's the one thing I wouldsay, tj, and I think you know
you'd probably agree with aswell If people are doing, if
you're on the national team, youshould be getting some kind of
funding.
If you're performing on thenational team, you should be

(38:17):
definitely getting funding.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
So we looked at this model.
I was on the board of directorsand the executive committee for
the U S Olympic committee for12 years and I was in on the
board I don't know 20 years someridiculous amount versus an
athlete Then as an administratorand all that, all that stuff.
And then I worked with theOlympic council of Asia, helping
them with developing countries,developing programs to success.

(38:39):
So here's what.
Here's what not me.
This is what the US OlympicCommittee determined.
You could give all the money inthe world to somebody to win a
medal and they're not going todo any better.
What's better is what they callbubble money.
You find people on the bubbleof success, they're in shooting
range and then you financewhatever they tell you after

(39:02):
review is necessary for them tosucceed.

Speaker 4 (39:05):
We're doing the exact opposite right now.
We're funding only the top guys.
We're funding the successfulones in their limits, yeah, and
that's not helping.

Speaker 2 (39:14):
Yeah.
So you need to identify guyswho are on the bubble and have a
potential success.
Look at their trainingsituation.
See what would be helpful forthem to help them train better.
That could be knowledge, thatcould be coaching, that could be
financing trips, that could beadditional trainings, that could
be massages, that could bepaying for their school, that

(39:34):
could be paying for their living.
Whatever it is that they needto succeed.
And then you test it.
And this isn't just whatever itis that they need to succeed,
and then you test it.
And this isn't just.
I'm not talking about taekwondo.
We did this for 45 Olympicsports or whatever the number is
, and we did it for winter andsummer.
We looked at high-performanceplans.
We determined I reviewed abunch and approved a bunch and
disapproved some things.

(39:55):
Some sports came to us forcameras.
They needed money to purchasehigh-velocity cameras it's the
wrong word, but the idea thatyou could slow down.
It takes very high frames soyou could slow it down so they
could watch their competitors dowhatever.
And others wanted money to goscout.

(40:19):
Others wanted money forindividual athletes to be able
to live.
So you determine what a programor an athlete needs.
Now you fund success where youfind it.
You don't fund success.
You don't say we're buildingsomething, come to it because
people have lives.
Now I will say this Withoutoversight, I have seen that

(40:42):
funding model fail and inparticular, I can think of one
place where it failed horriblybecause it wasn't overseen and
it was overseen by a nepotistic,hedonistic, abusive coach and
abused everyone except threerelated people that were

(41:05):
competing and everybody elsewere victims and fodder for
those particular athletes.
So that's an example of fundingthat went awry, where you were
funding success where it was andyou weren't overseeing it.
So it's got to be funding withoversight and then it's got to
be and one of the things we lostwhen we lost the Korean
overlords, we lost that sense ofresponsibility to anyone and

(41:29):
you can love or hate what USATaekwondo used to be.
But it's worse now.
Now you have non-Koreanoverlords who are self-centered,
like plane tickets, and fund aparticular place where they all
live, and it's like either youbecome part of our gang and you

(41:50):
wear the right color in theright place, or we don't give
you anything, and that's notright either.

Speaker 4 (41:57):
I think you reposted it too.
It was one of the I think youwrote something about it like
when they were like oh, it's funto see our young guns out here
competing, how about you guysfund our young guns?
How about that?
I I'm going to say we, we undersupported this under 22 team.
You've got teams in the Pan Amregion that have six people,
seven people, eight peoplequalified for this event.
That could potentially get youto a Pan Am games.

(42:17):
That could potentially put youon the Olympic team.
So obviously you guys haveheard me say the juniors need to
defund it.
But like, if we're focused onthis under 22 range and it's an
opportunity for those kids to bein a position to make an
Olympic team, how did this go?
Unfunded, unwatched.
I watched countries.
Everyone got the informationlate.
I got it.
It was late, it was scrambled,it was this.
But I watched countries pulltogether, national teams pull

(42:45):
together, people pull togetherresources, put together funding,
whatever you want to call itand send full teams and coaches
to these events.
It took you seriously.
Meanwhile we have peoplethere's no thing, it's fake, I'm
sorry.
Meanwhile we got, you know,kids from the U?
S doing it on their own and I'mtalking about top athletes
doing it on their own to makesure they get these
opportunities.
And that just seems a littlesilly to me and, like I said, I
can't.
I talk about the juniors andyou're not going to fund the
juniors, but you're going totalk about the under 22, but
there's no support going intothis.

(43:06):
What are we doing?
We're talking about gettingfull Olympic team in 2028.
How are you going to do thatwhen you're missing out on
developmental opportunity spots?
How are you going to do that?
When you got the grand prixchallenge thing and we're, we're
, we're, we're, we, we go sosimple-minded and go okay, if
you're on the national team, yougo.
This, this, this you put nothought into.
Let me find some of thesepeople that on the bubble in
that cusp that could, could,squeeze into a grand prix and

(43:28):
really need it, that may nothave the funding to get the
points required to get into thegrand prix by themselves, like
we're just talking bullshit.
We're talking four teams andit's all bullshit it's
impossible.

Speaker 3 (43:37):
I mean, I mean that's an open up a can of worms.
I mean, even from thatstandpoint, like tj, like what
we we've talked this through amillion times we know the
average age.
Why, for, for such asophisticated, supposedly group,
how do they miss this?
How do they miss this one?
You know?
Again, looking at what's thebest interest of athletes, you

(43:57):
got this young girl, montanamiller.
She's clearly the best 57 girland well, one of the best, you
know, because I know there'sfaith there.
But it's not having the chanceat a grand prix challenge,
they're, they're missing out.
And, like you know, going backto this national team or this,
uh, centralized training, ifyou're not in that bubble, and
that bubble seems to get smallerand smaller, you, everybody

(44:18):
else, is out for themselves.
That's that.
That's when all this, you know,falls apart.
And, and for me, if, if, if,the U?
S does good, it doesn't matterwhere they come from, right, it
doesn't matter if they're comingfrom Alaska, california or
North Carolina.
Why didn't you, shouldn't youjust be throwing money at those
kids, you know, assuming thatthey do well?
It's just again a lack of I'mgoing to call it what it is, I'm

(44:43):
going to lack of trueunderstanding of what's
happening.
Lack of true understanding, oreither you what's that word?
Either you don't care, you'reignorant, or you're….

Speaker 4 (44:53):
What's the term?
Asleep at the wheel?

Speaker 2 (44:57):
We've talked about this a lot.
It's either incompetence,ignorance, or naivete.
And and, by the way, none ofthose are acceptable in a
performance sport.
So and I, and I can only keepgoing back to results.

Speaker 4 (45:08):
I don't think our national team coaches took their
jobs to make the country better.
They took their jobs for theamount of paycheck they were
getting with the athletes infront of them, Paycheck and
travel.

Speaker 3 (45:16):
I want to run away and say we did this, this and
this with these three people,but that's like man TJ, you said
this I don't know how manyepisodes ago.
The United States always gets amedal.
They always get here, we'realways going to get that.
No one's done anything special.

(45:36):
We haven't got four or three.
That's.

Speaker 2 (45:43):
That's special and that's what we need to do, but
we're not we are definitely nottaking the steps to that
definitely no, we're not talkingabout again.

Speaker 4 (45:46):
I think I talked about it before too, but you
know that whole and again, Idon't.
I don't forget stuff like thisbecause I, when people take
charge and the people are goingto lead this country, say things
I, I want to, I want tounderstand what they're saying.
I'm never going with like a, Idon't want to hear it.
I'm trying to understand andone of the interviews was we
want to change the culture ofjust wanting to be on the
national team.
I think that's the culture now.
It is way worse than ever.

(46:08):
We have people going and makingour national team with one
match, two matches, like no realcompetition, and they're happy
about it and we all know it'sgoing to be tough for them at
the world championships, whichis we all know is going to be
tough with the Pan Amchampionships, but it's
celebrated.
It is celebrated, the coachescelebrate it, the schools
celebrate it, everybodycelebrates it.
But that's what it's about.
Then there's no reinvestment inthose same athletes.
They're going to go out thereand learn something and get

(46:30):
ready.
Dude, it's a wormhole, it's ajoke.
It doesn't make any sense.
Like you just said, we alwayshave those outliers and it's
funny.
Going back to your originalcomment.
It seems like those outliers,those people doing great things,
are never within the system,never.
I played that game for a longtime.

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I wasn't the level I wasn'tsupposed to win.
It wasn't a clear path, but Ihad an opportunity and I was
able to try to go do it.
But I wasn't the fan favoriteor in the system like that deep,
you know.
And I think how do you not makeroom for those, how do you not
support those in?

Speaker 3 (47:04):
this day and age Even even more so.
Like I think you know, talkabout potential, like training
and stuff like that.
I think, I mean, I think Ithink we should make stars of
our athletes.
You know, we should, you know.
Then again, where's thatbalance?

(47:25):
Because, for all we know,there's like two people, you
know that, the USA Tech one whocares about and they get
promoted about seminars ortraining camps or things like
that.

Speaker 2 (47:38):
Just so we can all be clear.
The last time we had systematicsuccess was 1987.
Gold medal Daesung Lee Goldmedal.
Doug Lewis Gold medal.
Christopher Spence, stephenKaepner, herb Perez, jimmy Kim.
Six out of eight gold medals.

Speaker 3 (48:01):
I mean, we talked about that as an incredible team
and that was the first time thePan Am Games hosted Taekwondo.
I was one years old.

Speaker 4 (48:08):
I was one years old.

Speaker 2 (48:10):
So you should have started training with me back
then that would have helped you.
That would have helped me stayup.

Speaker 3 (48:15):
I just think people are.
You know, I remember when I wasa national team coach and you
know there was national teamcoach and I had obviously my own
personal business and there wassome controversy.
Can they have both?
Can you do both?
I mean, it's a good topic fordiscussion, but I was never
employed.

Speaker 4 (48:35):
Can you do both?
Sorry I missed it.

Speaker 3 (48:37):
Have my personal business and be the national
team coach.
That's another topic.
But I was and we could.
That's another topic.
But I was never employed.
Where here's your job come overhere and work at this facility,
that's all you have to do,right?
That was different.
I had to have my own businessbecause what they paid me was
not enough money, right?
So, and I'm not even closed.
But now you have a job.

(48:57):
So where is that fine linewhere, all of a sudden, I have
this own job but I am going todo my own personal seminars and
camps?
I mean, that's great, but is itthe obligation for the
organization to market me for mypersonal benefit?

Speaker 4 (49:13):
I don't know, isn't that like not supposed to happen
?
I don't know.
When I was in WCAP and Army, Icould never use anything like
that to promote myself.
I couldn't be like look at me,I'm a US Army Olympic coach, or
I'm a US Army coach to what'sthat Hereby favor a competitor
and a young American.
A match that was closeultimately wound up in

(49:34):
controversy.

Speaker 2 (49:34):
I like this video, though I want to see the picture
.
I want to see the picture Withthe voice of Greg Loews I want
to see his face.

Speaker 1 (49:40):
I had changed on Jermaine's in there.
That's the face, just to be apart of this.

Speaker 4 (49:45):
You got to let her run.
Look at this.
Look at this.

Speaker 1 (49:48):
Every other sport here and I just want to be.
I sound like a little rabbit Alittle mouse and I want to win,
and I want to, and I want to andme, me and Vanilla Ice.

Speaker 2 (50:00):
Vanilla Ice.
Come on, what's going on?
Baby, you look good.

Speaker 1 (50:03):
I had that hair before Vanilla Ice.

Speaker 2 (50:05):
Dude.

Speaker 1 (50:05):
I know I was there when it was created, People.

Speaker 2 (50:10):
that's a story we got to tell one day.

Speaker 3 (50:14):
That was you doing what you do.
Go to the end.
This is real fast.
Check out, see if you can seeme doing the interview.
Keep going Right.
Check out, see if you can seeme doing the interview.

Speaker 2 (50:21):
Keep going right there, right there, right there
first I'm going to play it whydo you think the decision was
made that way?
Do you think this is the factthat it's a Korean sport in
Korea?
Before Korean fans and you werefighting a Korean.

Speaker 1 (50:33):
I think that's the number one priority.
You know it's hard to say.
I think that's the main, themain thing that you know.
They're in front of all theKoreans.
It's a Korean sport.
There's a lot of Korean pullingthis, a lot of politics, so I
think that was a major reasonthey did that.
You went out, you took thesilver medal, are you?

Speaker 4 (50:51):
proud of the silver medal in your heart.
How do you feel about it?

Speaker 1 (50:54):
I'm not proud.
In the press conference I tookit.
First thing I did was take itoff.
You know silver medal in theOlympics.
But knowing what I went through, that I feel I should have won
the gold medal.
I'm not proud of it.
I'll probably never wear itagain.
I wanted the gold.
I didn't come all this way tobe second best and I don't feel
I was, so I'm not very proud ofit.

(51:16):
No, of course, marino's coachSang Lee is a native Korean.
Between 1960 and 1970, he won13 gold medals here in Korea in
national competition.

Speaker 3 (51:27):
It's funny because you hear the whole interview.
For a 16-year-old kid it wasactually pretty good content.
I even thought it sounded likea damn chipmunk.
It was interesting how I putthings together in perspective.
I like looking at that one.
Anyway, let's not talk aboutthat shit.

Speaker 2 (51:43):
I like it, no, it's important to talk about the
evolution of taekwondo and andyou were instrumental in that
and your mindset is what got youto where you got to.
And then the thing you said,which is true, you know, which
I've said you know, we didn't gothere when silver medals, we

(52:04):
didn't go there for the warm wedidn't go there for the warmups.
We didn't go there to show upand whatever you know, so like
um I.
I could I, could.
I could be a jerk and go andpost the post that I watched
from the last Olympics of thefashion show and the guy that
went and came home without amedal but his fashion show was
awesome, right.

Speaker 4 (52:23):
So that's what was a happy moment for us and a tough
moment at the same time at theOlympic Games in 2012.
Again, I think I studied on theother one.
I was chasing an Olympic silvermedalist, so to be him in the
country it had to be silver orbetter, minimum silver, but it
had to be gold To make my mark.
I had to hit gold to accomplishwhat I wanted and how.
Like you said, you're talkingabout the path and the things
that had to happen for me to getthere.
It was gold or nothing in mybrain, so it was.

(52:45):
It was hard for me for a while.
You know, everyone around mecelebrated it way earlier than I
celebrated.
I look back in perspective nowand obviously over my career,
I'm happy to have a piece of theolympic games.
Have something to go.
You know this is the one youshow people, this is the one,
this is the, the capstone righthere to show.
Like you know, I've done thisfor long enough.
I've played on the higheststages and but yeah, we, we went

(53:07):
there to win, and that's, Ithink, that's my main point.
I think where we, we, wehaven't progressively gotten any
better.
It's like you just said.
I think we've.
It's become tougher.
I think the world is caught upand surpassed us in in in
performance and in trainingmethods and in support and
funding.
Like I and I'm going to say itevery freaking podcast until we
start funding our juniors andthey feel important to the

(53:29):
system, that they can bedeveloped at that age, you will
lose them afterwards, as soon asthey get to high school.
Why would they stay?
What would draw them to stay?
What's the appeal If you're notin the room, if you're not
being supported?
If I'm making a national team,I'm paying my way to the events.
My parents are paying my way toadvance.
I heard parents in the standsand it was funny.
In a moment we're at um the pat,the patu tournament, the sub 22
thing.
There's a parent in the standsmaking a joke.

(53:51):
He goes man, this sports suck,why didn't we choose soccer?
So his daughter won the match,by the way, and he's going man,
this sport sucks, why didn't wechoose soccer or something?
And I laughed and in my brainI'm going look at this venue.
We're, we're in a venue, theholding areas outside.
We're crammed in here.
The the, you know they'restopping in the middle of the
matches.
I mean, why would you and Ithink within the us, it being

(54:13):
such a big sport and a sportthat's deep to my heart,
obviously you know.
You told me that that thingabout being a lifer.
I think I'll always have someinvolvement in du teclado and to
see it at this state is justsilly.
We're not.
Yeah, we are a third worldcountry at this point, with a
little bit of money and a roomto support a few people.

Speaker 3 (54:29):
Speaking of that, after our conversation last week
, all of a sudden we all haveschedules.
Two events just got canceled inJune the Pan Am Open and the
Dominican.
I don't know whose fault it is.
I don't know if it's thecountry's having financial
things, but dude, it's April15th.

Speaker 4 (54:48):
They need to stop prioritizing money and make a
system, make a season.

Speaker 2 (54:51):
We need a season.

Speaker 4 (54:52):
Give people the same tournaments across the board 12,
15, whatever the number is andonly allow those for the year.
Stop just patting our pocketsand well, okay, you can have one
, you can have one, you can haveone, you can have one, you can
have one.
We just water down the systemand medals earn aren't really
that big of a deal anymore.
There are a few points in ourpockets and you know we wait
till the year before to try tofill an olympic spot.
Basically that's what it feelslike to me.
Maybe I'm wrong.

Speaker 2 (55:12):
Yeah, so if you, don't have a systematic approach
to your process, you're doomedto repeat the same mistakes.
So I don't believe there's beena systematic approach towards
athletic development at all andand as a result, you you're
going to have random and myriadresults of randomness and it's
going to atrophy.

Speaker 4 (55:31):
So the muscle for winning has atrophied.

Speaker 2 (55:37):
So anything you don't do repeatedly and understand
and learn from your mistakes.
So you know I've been talking.
You know I have a book that Iand coach has seen this book
when I was young, I I had a bookthat I wrote down my method,
wrote down my plan, wrote downmy reflections daily on my
progress and then at the end ofan event, if I won or I lost, if

(56:00):
I won, I went back and saw,looked at what I did well, what
I didn't do well, and then Iimproved upon that plan.
If I didn't win, I went back,looked at that and decided what
I needed to change.
And it's as if USA Taekwondo ifthey have a plan, if it's
written down anywhere, they justrandomly change it every year
and proof is in the pudding.
Listen, in a country of 330million people, which I say

(56:23):
endlessly give me their budget,give me the budget, make me CEO
and I'll guarantee you results.
Because three things willhappen.
One I will fire everybody thatdoesn't perform.
Two I'll fire everybody thatdoesn't show up.
Work to become incrementallybetter on a day-to-day basis.

(56:45):
Number three non-performerswill exit the building.
At that point you can hold meresponsible and, by the way, you
don't have to pay me.
You can pay me if we win.
So that's number three.
As a CEO, if the corporationdoesn't perform and it doesn't
do its job, which its only jobis to put people on the medal

(57:08):
podium, they need to figure outhow to do that and, as part of
that process, everything elsewill work.
Now, if you do that, you'll getsuccess.
If you don't do that, you'llcontinue to have guys who don't.
So right now, after the lastOlympic Games, they should have
came in, fired everyone.

Speaker 3 (57:26):
I was going to get to that.
I was going to get to that.
I was going to get to that thisyear.
Let's be honest, usat is goingto have a big bump, I think at
Nationals, because AU has hadsome turnover.
It's in Salt Lake City.

Speaker 2 (57:38):
They're going to get a bump through no structure or
earning of their own To nocredit of their own, to no
credit of their own, to nocredit of their own, to no
credit of their own, but I wasgoing to go like I mean and TJ,
I hate to be the dead dog 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, we're in
25, eight years.

Speaker 3 (57:56):
Is this pipeline?
Is this national team in ahealthier situation than it was
eight years ago?

Speaker 4 (58:08):
They should have a full room by now.
Let's be ox, like, let's, let'sjust go to the bottom of the,
the minimal thing that we cantalk about.
They should have an entire fullroom.
Eight men, eight women.
It should be a solid team.
They should be taking over theworld at this point, because
when is this plan to take overthe world and dominate in 28?
When does this start?
What?
When does this start?
I mean like you just said what Idon't know.
I don't know.
Is it the system, is it the,like you said, the lack of

(58:29):
information?
Is it the handpicking of theones, the people that are
winning, like?
It's the people?
Like you said, you have to bewilling and want to go up there.
It's the discounted, it's thediscredit of coaches who
actually can train peopleoutside of their system, as
opposed to as, instead ofempowering them and like going,
hey, I'm gonna give x athletethis amount of money, I need you

(58:50):
to send me a plan and show mewhat you're gonna do with this
money for this athlete andinterest the coaches to put
their guys in a place.
At least let them prove,disprove me, disprove them wrong
or prove them wrong, but we'renot even at that point.
We, we only fund the people infront of us.
We, we, you know, we get peopleto come up there.
We, we travel around thecountry, we spend some money on
them and we call it buildingtowards success.
That's what we're doing?

Speaker 2 (59:10):
They bet on the wrong horses, and what I mean by that
is they bet on the wrong horses, they bet on the wrong group of
athletes, they bet on the wrongcoaches.
I don't even think that's it andthis is like they're playing
Hold on, they're playingblackjack and 50 cards have been
dealt and you've seen 50 cardsand there's two cards left and

(59:31):
they see four aces on the table,they see four tens on the table
and they have a two in theirhand.
But even if they were going torepeat, the system we talk about
that.

Speaker 4 (59:47):
Obviously, I don't play blackjack, Obviously, the
self-named black ops team whenthat was a joke, you know they
came in, they got a bunch of 18,17, 16 year olds and did a
thing with them, Right.
So even if that was the systemof success to repeat the system
we've missed that boat becausewe don't support the under 22 as
a team, as a country.
We just kind of had people goand then put up a post, going

(01:00:08):
like it's great to see everyonecompete.
That just seems backwards to me.
Now we've moved on becausewe've already sold everyone.
We need to support the 17, 18.
You already said this and nowwe've moved past that and these
are.
Now these guys aren't importantanymore because we have this
room that we've chosen.
This is who we want to workwith, or this is what we're
going to do, or this is the onlypeople we have.
I don't know what the reason is.
For me, it doesn't make anysense.
I think we should have a full,at least a full 16 people in a

(01:00:30):
room on a daily basis.
If you know, this is the system, this is the funded system,
this is the way and all thisstuff like that.
But the reality is we don teamin eight years.

Speaker 3 (01:00:39):
There was a, there's a ceo a couple ceos go ask me
like I want you to do what youdo with your organization for
the org, for the usat, you know,remember going why?
Why would I give you, like, mywhole model and blah, blah, blah

(01:01:00):
, like, and again I'm now justtalking business.
Well, how does this, how doesthis help me?
Why would I just I'm, I'm, I doa lot of good things for people
and I do.
I have a do the right thingmodel.
But I'm not just going to givesomething to an organization and
say go.
But one thing that I'll shareis TJ, you know firsthand how I
partner with the people thatbecome part of peak performance.

(01:01:23):
I don't mandatory make.
If they want to come, they cancome.
But I'm certainly not going tobe like if you don't come, screw
you.
I mean, look what I do withEvan, an apparel Olympian.
He lives in Michigan full time,but when it comes Olympic time
he comes here.
Sometimes he comes with hiscoach, sometimes he comes by
himself and when he's done Isend him back.
I'm not looking for a pat onthe back, I'm not looking for

(01:01:48):
hey, it's my guy.
That would be what theorganization should do.
And partner with the TerrenceJaynes of the world the same
Charles, the Joe Whitworth, thecoaches that I'm missing right
now.
They should partner with themso that they do feel like we can
come and we can go and we'regoing to be celebrated, rewarded
and funded.
You'd get a lot more, but theyhaven.
They haven't eight years in.
They've done just the opposite.

(01:02:09):
They've discredited.
Don't be with peak.
Don't be with terrence.
Don't don't be with one more, Iknow.
Don't be with this person, thatperson.
And again, I know I'm making itpersonal and it shouldn't be
that way, but I think that's amicrocosm of where we're at
right now, you know yeah, you'reyou're labeled you're labeled.

Speaker 4 (01:02:24):
Uh, I don't know what that is.
I can't see it.
You're labeled.
I don't know what that is?

Speaker 1 (01:02:28):
I can't see it.

Speaker 4 (01:02:29):
You're labeled the guy, guy, I've had so many
people tell me hey, I'm going toreach out to you next week and
I think the reality for thempart of the time, like I said,
that's it and that's why I havemy training facility.
That mold has to be broken,like you just said.
Look at this picture.

Speaker 2 (01:02:43):
This is not a sad picture.
Can you see the picture?

Speaker 3 (01:02:46):
Oh, that was a pen and games.
That's pen and games, don'tmatter.

Speaker 2 (01:02:49):
This is a sad picture .
This is.
I don't remember ever taking apicture like this.
It's embarrassing when youperform the way they perform.
So, anyway, that's just mypersonal.
Whatever, let me stop to sharebecause it is what it is.
Go ahead.

Speaker 4 (01:03:07):
No, I don't remember what I was.
I just um, it just doesn't evendisturb you that much.
Um, no, I I lost my train ofthought, but yeah, it just
doesn't.
It just doesn't make any senseto me.
I think at the minimum weshould be able to have a full
team in a room and and thoseguys rotate or something, but
there should be a lot more wantto go out there and make it,
being able to make theirschedule.
I remember making the nationalteam and knowing I'd have to go
to a national team training campbecause it was.
It was a part of something Iwanted to do.
I wanted to go at that point,be in a room with some people

(01:03:28):
and do some things and you know,whatever.
A lot of those guys at the timeobviously were my friends and
they were kind of coming fromthe same place I was coming from
, so that made it a little biteasier.
But at the same time, I justthink we've we've missed the
boat.
We've changed the, what theycall it.
We've moved the cheese severaltimes at this point.
We've told people that this isimportant.
Now.
This is not important.

Speaker 3 (01:03:44):
Now we're funding and lost credibility with these
guys?

Speaker 4 (01:03:46):
yeah, you, I would think, but I don't know, I don't
.
I would think.
I would think.
I mean it's not like I'm justpulling all this information out
.
I mean, like I said, if I eversay anything on here, just
please write on the right on thevideo, send me a message.
Whatever you gotta do, let meknow that I've misspoken about
something.

Speaker 3 (01:04:02):
But the funny thing is it's not.
You're not trying to attackanyone's character or anything
like that.
No, I don't care about none ofthat we can debate about their
level of competence in aposition or whatever the case
may be.
But the truth of the matter isit's not a personal thing.
We're just kind of like yousaid, you're going data that
you've been able to collect andbeing able to see, and that's
why I said, eight years intothis, where are we at right now?

(01:04:25):
And listen, look at me, the17-year-old Juan Moreno.
When I told someone asked mesomething about competing the
other day, I said no, I don'tmiss fighting them.
I said, but I used I love thebig match.
I wanted to go into a room whenI was a kid and I went on the
state team in Illinois and therewas a bunch of, you know,
25-year-old guys.
I year old guys.

(01:04:47):
I'm like I want to be in hereto see who I can fight.
I wanted to go to Korea like Iwas I was never the best, but I
certainly wasn't afraid like Iliterally wanted that and
whenever that that opportunitypresented itself, I was the
first one in line, like evenwith you, I want to fight with
you, I want everybody, butpeople aren't like that anymore,
you know.
Going back to that silver medalthing, of course, I'm extremely
proud to have gone to theOlympics and have a career.
But the first thing I thinkabout to this day when I

(01:05:11):
introduce my if someone wants meto talk about my silver medals
is I lost.
That's the first thing I thinkabout, even as a 54 year old
dude.
How many years removed, didn'twin.
I would much rather talk aboutmy Pan Am Games or my World Cup
or something like along thoselines.
I know I finished the job andthat's again.
That's not taken away from asilver or bronze or even a

(01:05:31):
participant.
That's just me.
And going back to your point, tj, you felt like that, but people
don't.
They don't feel like that forreal.
I say that and I was excelling.
People say that nowadays oh, Icame here to win, I came here to
win.
I lost my first match.
I lost 12-0, 12-0.
Of course, it didn't get tothat.
But who really wants that fight?
Who really wants that training?

(01:05:52):
I don't believe they do,because put them in a room, give
them an opportunity.
Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah.

Speaker 2 (01:06:02):
I still think we need to go back at some point and
this should be the topic foranother day.
Which we keep kind of circlingaround the same way is what
would it take if you coulddesign?
Because you know, I know CoachRenner and I have talked about
this and we've actually thoughtabout trying to do it and I can

(01:06:24):
tell you it happens in soccerright.
So across the country they havesoccer academiesies and they're
privatized.
Some are attached Most are thebig ones are attached to
professional teams and the restaren't.
And then they, the kids, livethere and they train there and
they choose them based upontheir whatever.
And the kids are.
They train for free and they goto school.

Speaker 4 (01:06:47):
I bet you can find that information.
Though I bet you can find thatinformation, someone would tell
you how your kid qualifies forthis, how you get to this point,
how you get.
Oh, no, no, no, yeah, ours arethese backdoor conversations and
offering of information.

Speaker 2 (01:06:58):
Yeah, Right now in Florida there is a GA cup.
That's the generation Adidascup, and the top teams in the
world are competing.
It's the top teams from Americaand the 32 top teams from the
world, so I think it's 16.
I'd have to look at it, butthey have a mini World Cup

(01:07:19):
Generation Adidas and it's heldin Florida at the IMG Academy
and it's the top 16-year-oldsU16, and the top U18s, not the
top U22s, not the men Top 16,u16, top U18, because they
realize that that's thedevelopment.
That's where everything comesand, by the way, these guys come

(01:07:43):
in and those are the futurestars.
It's like the guys you'rehearing about this is where
they're coming from.
So they have developed a systemthat works.
It's not?
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:07:56):
If they have a GA cup for Adidas, does Nike have one
of those?
Nope.

Speaker 2 (01:08:01):
They should.
But Generation Adidas has itand soccer's rife with a bunch
of these cups.
They have the gold cup, theyhave this cup, they have that,
but they have um othertournaments across, like the MLS
next has a huge showcase andthen it has a championship for
this age group, these, all theseage groups, but this GA cup is
outside that box, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:08:21):
Adidas sponsored and it's huge.
They do it the same way thatthey do with the coaching
applications.
You take your time, you fillout application, you put all
your accolades, you puteverything you've done and then
you just get ghosted.
I'm waiting for my letter thatsays sorry, you didn't get
accepted.
Please apply again next year,or something.

Speaker 1 (01:08:35):
Give me a response.

Speaker 4 (01:08:36):
I know it just like maybe they didn't get it.

Speaker 3 (01:08:40):
Maybe that's why I got the email wrong.
I was reading all those calls,those, uh, what do you call it?
Requirement, you know, to be onthe coaching staff for the
World Championships.
But, tj, do you know that thisis another thing and, herb,
you'll appreciate this too?
The Asian Presidents Cup.
I look, you know, because Ilook.
I always look who registeredand where they're at blah, blah,
blah.
When I go to Asian, I see like500 people registered.
I'm like, damn, that's small,because you know US Open has

(01:09:03):
1,200, dutch Open has 1,800.
But I go there, I click on it.
It's only adults.
There's no cadet, there's nojuniors, there's no poops.
I was like, yeah, so thedivision 50, 60 people.
I'm like, okay, that'sinteresting.
I bring that point up becauseI'm sure they're not trying to
make money, they're trying tohave a quality event.

(01:09:24):
You only got three days or twodays the referees are.
They're not like falling asleepfrom, you know, coach or
referee until 8 o'clock, 9o'clock, you know, four days in
a row.
It's crazy, crazy, crazy, crazy.

Speaker 4 (01:09:37):
It's all about money, though.
I've done a lot of seminars anda lot of traveling.
No-transcript.
That like that's just.
I just feel disrespected, justjust simply like how is our big

(01:09:57):
guns, our shield, not there forthat?
Our quote-unquote guy that'ssupposed to be teaching people?
They're not there for that.
Or leaving the team trialsearly with guys that are trying
to make the national team?
How are you not there tosupport those guys?
And then you guys want to pointthe finger at people and say
who's detrimental to the program?
That guy's detrimental to theprogram.
How about that?
yeah, that guy's detrimental tothe program.
Am I wrong?
You're.
You're, you know, prioritizingother things when you should be

(01:10:19):
at work putting people on anational team.
But you got family matters.
You got to go.
Do this, you got to go do that,don't got to go do that.

Speaker 2 (01:10:25):
Don't tell me that They've done it.

Speaker 4 (01:10:26):
They've done it.
I know you guys don't stay upto speed.

Speaker 2 (01:10:29):
You don't stay up to speed on this stuff, but USA
Taekwondo has launched its newwater bottle campaign to finance
Cheddar.

Speaker 4 (01:10:39):
Cheddar baby, but real question though I was going
to ask you before.
We're running a little bit over, but as far as, like, the
funding for, like, the juniorsand stuff like that, are there
no?
Like I know you know a littlebit more about the usoc or
wherever they get their moneyfrom, and all that stuff like,
yeah, is there no requirementsto fund grassroots like is?

Speaker 2 (01:10:54):
there no like there, so they put together a high.
They put together a highperformance plan.
In it they say this is howwe're going to fund success.
So if there's any and part ofthe problem is the usoc has lost
its volunteer structure.
So now you have administrators,of which Jay Warwick was one,
writing plans for success andthose plans are visualized by

(01:11:15):
them and they say here's what wewant to do.
And then if somebody's payingattention, they look at it and
say, oh, that seems like itmight have an impact.
That means you have tounderstand where you're lacking,
what your plan is to getthrough that lack.
So if I were the USOC right now, I'd be looking at the fact
they're not putting any peopleon medal podiums and I'd say you
need to identify your youthathletes and fund and finance

(01:11:36):
them.
So the answer to your questionis they probably didn't ask for
money for that and they probablysaid we have enough money,
we'll fund that ourselves.

Speaker 1 (01:11:46):
They probably asked for money, but nobody checks.

Speaker 2 (01:11:48):
They do check.
But they'll say in their highperformance plan we need
additional money for this.
Their plan will say we have asufficient pipeline of athletes,
we have sufficient money forthem, we have a sufficient
structure for them.
We need money for plane ticketsfor Jay and Steve to go to
Korea and drink soju and getmassages.

(01:12:09):
So they won't write that inthat way, but they'll say we got
to go to an internationalmeeting.
So the question is, if somebodywere to complain to the USOC
and say I noticed that they'renot funding the developmental
pipeline and the athletes arestruggling and are moving to
other sports, then somebody atthe USOC might start to pay
attention.
At least when we had volunteerslike us, we understood what we

(01:12:32):
needed.
Athletes were involved and wesaid, oh, there's no money for
this, go ahead, coach.

Speaker 3 (01:12:38):
I do know that, like you know I mean again from
before the USOCs when they lookat the NGBs, they're like we're
taking care of your highperformance program.
It's your responsibility totake care of your development
and program your grassroot.
So yeah, your grassroot, forexample, in Brazil.
I mean, hopefully we'll do apodcast.
I'm going to be going toUzbekistan.
We're taking some of our highprofile Olympic level athletes.

(01:13:00):
We're taking four athletes thatwe think are going to be
potential for 2028.
Athletes that we think aregoing to be potential for 2028.

Speaker 2 (01:13:07):
But it's got to be in your plan.
In other words, what you'resaying is correct, but it's got
to be in your plan.
In other words, when you givethem the high-performance plan,
you say here's our pipeline.
I understand you're onlyfunding this.
They're not going to fund yourgrassroots development.
They're not going to give youmoney for posters in local
schools, but they're going tosay what's your plan to get
people in the pipeline.

Speaker 3 (01:13:27):
This is where I'm going with this, as I was saying
, tj, like they don't mandatethat for us, but these guys are
going to go.
They happen to be going to theU22 as well, right, so they're
going to go to the Grand PrixChallenge as well.
Like we've made a concertedeffort.
Take these kids.
Maybe they get smacked up, butwe just believe that they have
the potential, just like we didwith Enrique and Maria Clara.
But my point is it should bepart of the plan.

(01:13:49):
You should be part of the planand it obviously isn't.
How is it not when you know theage of Olympic medalists?
You know the pipelines has tobe developed, you know all this
stuff, but it doesn't seem to bepart of the plan.
If it was, there would be moneythere for them.
If it was, there would be moneythere for them.
If it was, there would be aconservative effort, you know to
to get them from A to Z.

Speaker 4 (01:14:10):
There isn't, and that , and that in itself is just
disrespectful.
Like I said, they're they'repaying for none of these kids to
travel anywhere.
They get a shirt and short thatto to the world championships.
Like I keep trying to likerationalize, I'm like, okay,
maybe not to the Pan Amchampionships, maybe not to the
Pan Am Championship.
Maybe not the cadets, all thesethings, but the cadets need to
be funded.
Obviously, the jury need to befunded, but we're not funding

(01:14:30):
them at all like $0.
When again like.
I said you have organizationsthat are developmental
organizations paying more moneyout for these kids to travel and
do things.
I don't get it.
What is that?
Get ready baby.
It's not moving on my screen Ihear some music.

Speaker 2 (01:14:53):
Just wait for the music.

Speaker 4 (01:14:54):
We got to work on our graphics.

Speaker 2 (01:14:56):
Yeah, okay, there it comes hey.
It's my pizza.
What are you playing?

Speaker 3 (01:15:10):
that should be our theme song oh my god, that's, so
fun that's prodigy man, prodigybaby, that's prodigy, we've
been all over the place today,but it was obviously fun, well,
I think it's been a great.

Speaker 2 (01:15:28):
Well, you know it's not supposed to be what it's
supposed to be what it'ssupposed to be right 100% but.
I appreciate you guys.
This has been the Warehouse 15,which took almost an actually
took an hour and 15 today.
I want to thank my compadres,my companions, coach Moreno,

(01:15:50):
thank you.
Thank you, mr TJ.

Speaker 1 (01:15:52):
Anything before we go .

Speaker 3 (01:15:55):
No, it's always fun.

Speaker 4 (01:15:56):
Yeah, always fun.
Like I said, I'm super excitedabout having a gym out here.
I'm looking to set up an opengym kind of process in my gym as
well for the athletes thatdon't have somewhere to train
and actually want to work outHigher level, lower level and
need some space and um.
So I'll be putting out more andmore information throughout the
, throughout the week, thecoming months and, like he said,
I'm super excited about that umthe training camp that'll be
there after the grand prixchallenge.

(01:16:17):
I think we'll get some goodaction, some good um
interactions at the gym thatweek.

Speaker 2 (01:16:20):
So, thank, you guys always don't forget to you're
coming, I'm coming, and thendon't forget to check the last
thing.
I'm coming, and then don'tforget to click the GoFundMe
link.
Tj, could you slide a littlebit to your left?
We're going to get him a newpicture from behind.
All right, we'll see you later.

Speaker 4 (01:16:35):
Everybody loves that picture, except for you.
You're a hater.

Speaker 1 (01:16:38):
I can't.
You're a hater.
I'm going to wait until you seewhat I post next week.
See you guys.

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