What happens when martial arts expertise meets the vibrant backdrop of Canadian hospitality? Join us at Warehouse 15 as Grandmaster Disaster, TJ, and Coach Moreno unravel their experiences at the Canadian Open in Montreal. We celebrate the remarkable organization of the event and the warmth of our Canadian hosts, with special nods to high-performance director Alan and Brittany. Revel in the pride as TJ and Coach Master Perez both receive accolades that add a jubilant note to our conversation.
As the spotlight shifts to the international stage, we share tales of Canadian fighters like the legendary Ashley, who has mastered the art of the "testicle tickler" back kick. Through laughter and storytelling, we recall the spirited performances of Naomi and Michael Rodriguez, with TJ basking in the glow of his own achievements. Lighthearted anecdotes about guitars and Wayne’s World bring a touch of nostalgia, blending seamlessly with memories of playful trips to Reno.
Finally, we tackle the gritty realities of sports organizations, where leadership and team dynamics often clash with progress. Questions arise about the qualifications and decisions behind key appointments, sparking a call for genuine expertise and integrity. Through candid discussions on navigating fear, imposter syndrome, and the toxic environments that inhibit growth, we advocate for a more respectful and fair future. Stand with us as we champion authenticity and accountability in the pursuit of a positive change.
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
Welcome to the Warehouse 15.
Again You're here withGrandmaster Disaster and we got
TJ and Coach Moreno and, asalways, we're going to keep it
real but, more importantly, realinteresting.
And if it bothers you a littlebit or hurts your feelings, well
oh well, sorry.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
It might be that day.
It might be that day.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
And you feel free.
You know my email well, sorry,it might be that day.
It might be that day and youfeel free, you know my email
address is TJ.
Anyway, welcome, Mr TJ.
How are you doing?
Today.
Sir, what do you got going on?
Tell us a little bit.
Just wait, Hold on a minute.
I want to get a shout out toBudo Brothers.
I'm wearing their awesomemartial art theme hoodie.
So when I wear it around thestreets everybody says how you
(01:06):
doing, Mr TJ, what?
Speaker 4 (01:09):
do you got going on?
That's so funny.
You know, I've worked with thatcompany before.
They actually sent me a bunchof clothing.
It was like this Komodo thingand like a combat stick or
something.
I've actually worked with thoseguys.
It's like let me see the symbol.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
I don't know where the symbol is.
I just dug it so I just kind ofput it on.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
I think I've seen it before there.
Those are.
Those are pretty cool guys.
I've actually worked with thembefore.
Um, I'm chilling, having a nicerainy day here in North
Carolina Nice and cold.
Um, I just real quick.
I just want to say thank you toall the people that and
responded to my post and saidsome nice things.
Thank you, Understand that thisis not a personal attack on
anyone.
This is just simply what's beengoing on.
(01:47):
I'm just over it.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Thank you guys Marando what do you?
Got.
How are you doing today, sir?
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm good, I'm good, I'm happy to be
back into my.
I'm the exact opposite sunny 80, miami just getting back from
Montreal.
It's sunny 80, miami justgetting back from Montreal.
It was very cold, it was verysnowy.
You had a great event.
So, no, I'm doing good and I'mjust ready to get into the
session.
I think maybe we have a littlerecap about Reno I'm sorry recap
(02:16):
about the Canadian Open inMontreal and then kind of get
into Reno and then kind ofhonestly, I think for maybe some
bigger, more interesting topics, is kind of a state of affairs
was going on with with theorganization here in the United
States.
So I think we'll talk aboutthat.
So let's go with the withMontreal, the Canadian open.
(02:37):
I thought it was a first andforemost.
I got to say these guys put ona great event.
Actually, someone said somethingto me recently and I and I
didn't think about it too much,but they were just talking about
how the venue was just laid outbeautiful, young.
It looked really really firstclass, spacious, open, nice.
But what they said and I didn'tthink about it that has to be
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one of the nicest staff thatI've ever seen in my life, these
Canadians.
I know the technical director.
You know high performancedirector.
You know Alan, mr Alan and hisstaff.
There's like five people orfive people lay the mats down
but pick the mats up, run theholding area.
You know, have a coach'smeeting so polite at earth, tj.
(03:22):
I didn't hear one time JohnSmith you meeting so polite at
earth, tj.
I didn't hear one time, johnsmith, you got three seconds
before you're disqualified, likeit's just.
They're so athlete friendlythat it just it.
It was long days, you know.
I mean it was just like anytournament there's some good
calls, bad calls, whatever, butjust uh, the friendliness and
openness and the way the venuelooked.
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First class, you know.
First class from my standpoint.
You know.
Shout out to the CanadianFederation for doing such a good
job.
I'm not sure what you thoughtabout that, tj.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
I thought it went well.
I mean, like you said, normaltech windows with the long days,
good calls, bad calls, all thatstuff.
Like you said, it felt veryfree flow and like everything
was kind of moving.
You know what I mean.
There was no like largedisruption or anything going on,
like you said.
I think that huge shout out toyou know, like you said, um, a
high performance director, alan,because I think you know, just
having everything, everyone ableto work together that kind of
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smoothly and no, no chaos, no,real nothing going on, that's a,
that's an awesome feat.
I know he has a lot of helpbehind the scenes.
I know Brittany also.
I know Brittany, the lady thatworks at the Garwards.
She's awesome as well.
But overall good event Goodfights, good matches, some
divisions a little tougher thanothers, but I think overall
level pretty good.
I liked it for a season opener.
It definitely was a good event.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
I mean for me personally.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
I haven't been to this right.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
Oh, oh, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait,
wait, coach Master Perez.
Yes, sir, I got one.
Does this count?
Can I count?
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Whoa, whoa, whoa.
Can I count that?
Speaker 4 (04:49):
Where we at.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Is that?
What is it?
There you go.
Coach of the year.
Coach of the year Coach of thetournament.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Oh nice, that's gold.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
That's gold.
I'll keep this and I'll keepthis, so let's go.
I mean for me, no, for me.
Personally.
I was good.
No, it was good he did.
Well, we'll talk about that.
I mean for me.
It was really interestingbecause I think it was the first
time I was at a cadet juniorday.
I don't know, man close to adecade.
I mean, I haven't been to one ofthose in in years and so, um,
it was a long day for me.
I brought a group of kids fromMiami and it was fun for me to
watch those guys compete andhave some gold medals and a
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couple other medals and somegood and bad, but it was fun to
watch the level.
Always, the cadet juniors arejust amazing because they're
wild, they're crazy, they're fun, they're free-flowing, and so
that was pretty cool, um, for me.
But I think the senior day,like you said, tj, there was
some divisions that were prettydarn competitive.
You know you had, you know, thesaline brothers were there, the
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spanish team were there.
Um, you know, canada had mostof their national team fighters
there.
Um, so I thought the level waspretty darn good, especially for
an opener.
What I thought was reallyinteresting it was very
combative, like there was somefights, herb, like I mean,
there's always going to be somesome points like that, but there
was some like some hitting andsome, yeah, it was pretty
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interesting it was a littlerough, you know, and I kind of
like that.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
I thought that was pretty cool.
It felt more like old schoolpan am region when it was like
that, like they were somethinghitting each other.
You could, you could feel theshots, you could see the shots.
People are getting put to thefloor, kicked to the floor.
I've seen, I saw some big bodyshots.
They kind of stuck, stuck somepeople.
I mean that overall, like yousaid, that event they were out.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
So, like you know, by the end it just was.
It was very physical, it almostlooked.
It almost looked a littlepersonal, like it was a real
fight, versus like hey, let'swin and dap you up and go home.
Something was different in thatvenue so I got to say I liked
it, it helps.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
I think Canada also has really good when they have
their cheering sections and it'sCanada versus anyone.
They like that, so it's alwaysso.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
it was really loud in those matches, yeah yeah, I
mean, there's a couple peoplewho stood out to me.
Obviously, Omar Saleem foughtextremely well.
Again, he had a couple.
He had a close match withBraven Park early on, but in his
final he fought anOlympic-level athlete, an
Olympic Olympian from Spain, andhe pretty much handled him
pretty easily.
(07:25):
So that was pretty impressive.
A young lady.
Check this out, herb.
There was a girl that made theCanadian Junior National Team
and then the Canadian SeniorNational Team, then she won the
Canadian Junior Open and thenshe won the Canadian Senior Open
.
This girl got four gold medalsas a junior in an adult
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tournament.
She was dominant.
She's a world silver medalistat the Junior World
Championships.
So she's legit.
But I'll tell you what she's in62, which is lightweight.
That girl Brewster, she'ssomething.
She's going to be somethingthat we have to watch out for, I
would think in the in the nearfuture.
(08:07):
Um, I got, I got a chance towatch her.
Uh, actually she fought one ofmy girls in the semifinal the
juniors and um, it was a lot, Igotta lie, it was a lot.
I was impressed.
And then, as soon as I heardshe was going to fight seniors,
I'm like, oh, she's winning,she's winning.
She's just that, that raw, thattough.
(08:27):
So that was a, that was afemale that stood out to me
pretty, pretty well I wonder howmany matches I was throughout
the whole weekend.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
Oh, I'll find out.
It's a lot of matches.
It's a lot of matches, skylarpark pretty much walked through
the tournament too.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
I mean the olympic bronze medalist from Canada.
She walked through the droppretty easily.
I mean it didn't even lookdifficult for her.
Our Michael Rodriguez, unitedStates national team guy fought
a very good Brazilian in thefinal and came away with another
gold medal.
You were sitting in that chair,dj.
That was a pretty I don't wantto say it was a tough match, but
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it was pretty much in control.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
Those are always good matches, though I can't think
of his name right now.
I'm after that but he likes tofight.
You know what I mean.
You say going back to the.
Jadonis, jadonis.
Yeah, going back to the that wewere saying about people
hitting each other, that wasdefinitely a slobber knockover
match.
They were kind of beingphysical and fighting for those
rounds.
So, yeah, definitely won anintense match.
It's always intense matchesversus those guys, though, but
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yeah, michael was able to kindof keep the composure and score
his points where he needed toand make some good decisions
throughout that match.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
So very, very good.
It's funny, herb, check thisout.
On the US national team there'sa Michael Rodriguez, then
there's a Victor Rodriguez andthen there's another Michael
Rodriguez, then there's a VictorRodriguez and then there's
another Michael Rodriguez.
There's three Rodriguez's onthe national team for the United
States.
So it's kind of interesting.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
And the big.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Michael which is in the middleweight 87,.
He won a gold medal too.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
You mentioned something about Kendall, which I
think is important to recognizeand I want to get back to the
fighters for a minute but thelevel of professionalism that
you run an event for, for peoplethat are professionals, is
important, right?
I mean, I think if you can go toa country and they treat you
correctly, they treat you likean athlete, they treat you like
a professional, because ourathletes are, you know,
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vis-a-vis professionals.
For the most part, thatresonates with the coaches and
your desire to go back to theevent, unless it's a must-go-to
event, and certainly ourexperiences at the Pan Am Games
and at the Olympics.
We didn't have people pullingus and pushing us and yelling at
us.
We had people taking care of us, doing what we needed them to
do, treating us likeprofessionals, and I think
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that's kudos to Canada, right?
Canadians, by nature, just nicepeople, right.
I'm always, uh, impressed withthe level of politeness and
going out of the way for others.
Um, although they have some oftoughest fighters that you know
I've ever fought certainly werefrom Canada, but um, you know, I
think, shout out to one of yourold friends.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
You know who was.
You know was there was he thereOne of our good friends you
remember who was?
There.
Was he there?
One of our good friends, whichone you remember, ashley, was
there.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
He's always.
I stay in touch with him.
I love he's one of my favoritefighters ever.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
Yeah, he's awesome.
He's such a good dude.
He comes around and obviouslyhe's good friends.
My wife worked for him when shewent to Montreal for a little
while after she retired, and sowe have just a really good
relationship.
So he was there.
So he always speaks highly ofyou.
Yeah, very fun.
Yeah, he's a warrior, I meanhe's a wild warrior.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
He did taekwondo when it mattered and he did it
because it mattered and he madeit matter.
You know, he had arguably hewas the I won't say he's the
designer of it but he was the Iwon't say he's the designer of
it, but he was the master of theCanadian, what we called the
Canadian back kick, and it wasunstoppable.
And I saw him put more peopleon the floor with body shots,
almost as many as his teammateJean-Claude put on the floor
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with back hook kicks.
I mean, that guy wasunbelievable.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
So what's the can can describe canadian?
Speaker 2 (12:05):
back kick, canadian back kick.
Is you, it's a, it's a, almostlike a donkey kick.
You can't, you don't turn yourhead over, you don't look
because you don't need to look,because you know where it's
going to end up and I it's atesticle, what I call the
testicle tickler with the toes.
So they take their heel andthey point their heel up and
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their toes down.
Yeah and no, seriously.
And when you hit it, this isthe clip that will come out, by
the way, testicle ticklers.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
I don't know why I.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
No, but it's true.
So I could stand up anddemonstrate, not the tickling
part, but the foot and the toesare down, the heel is up.
So when you hit somebody and wehit them as a lower stomach,
the heel is in the lower stomachand the toes are literally
tickling the testicles dependingon the size of the testicles,
of course, and but it's deadlyeffective because you're hitting
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them on the weakest part of thestomach.
And Ashley dropped more people,and early on, I think, when
people tried it, and the reasonit works is your knee is tucked
into your body, as opposed tothe Korean style where your knee
eventually comes out.
Their knee never comes out.
The other people that took aversion of were the Spaniards,
so the Spaniards have slightlydifferent back kick.
(13:20):
That was similar, I think, oldschool Moroccan back kick was
the same.
Speaker 4 (13:23):
Was it Moroccan back kick?
They similar.
I think old school Moroccanback kick was the same Was it.
Moroccan back kick.
They used to tuck in and drivetheir foot straight back and hit
the center of the chest guard.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
I got to be honest.
I copied it for a while.
I had like three or fourdifferent back kicks and that
was one of them that I copied,but in particular for the
testicle tickling because Ithought that was fantastic.
I'm joking.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
It was a good tournament.
Obviously there was a lot ofgood matches and there was a lot
of good results.
The United States had a femaleheavyweight that won a gold
medal, Naomi the big.
Michael Rodriguez won a goldmedal.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
87, yes, Ava Lee, who fights in Haiti, she won a gold
medal.
He fought a good Spanish guy,Michael Rodriguez.
Yeah, that was a good match.
I think it went three rounds,but that was a good match.
It did it did go three.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
There was, like I said, there was some.
I think it was a well-runtournament.
It was a well-laid outtournament.
I think you had a good level,like you said it, and just a
great first tournament.
I think most of the divisionspeople had four and five fights.
I'm sure there's a few that hadget a bye and get three, but it
wasn't extremely big in thenumbers.
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But I think overall a prettydecent level, which kind of
leads us into well, I should saythis I mean TJ did win that
coach of the year as a malecoach.
I think he was awesome andwell-deserved.
I mean, you know he was workingall day with his own personal
athletes, with TOPS athletes,with AU athletes.
So I mean I thought that wasvery, very deserving
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Congratulations to you.
I'm very happy for you.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
I'm proud of you, congratulations.
I have moved my guitar, my goldguitar, above my head in honor
of you.
So you are now occupying thetop space in my mind.
So that beautiful PRS gold topis for you, that's for you.
So if you had done less, youwould have got the one down in
the corner that's painted insome pseudo Japanese, chinese
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dragon year of the dragon theme.
So you'll know if you mess up,because I'll put that one up
over my head, but it is next tomy silver base and my bronze,
fretless, just in case.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
Every time I see you, I think of Wayne's World.
Wayne's World.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
Hell of a good place.
Oh, I was in love with TiaCarrera.
I was in love with her.
Tj, I was in love with TiaCarrera.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
I was in love with her.
Yes, I'm going to say TJ, I'mnot going to Reno.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
I chose not to go to Reno because, number one, I
don't like Reno and number two,I just don't want to be around
some of these guys.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Are you allowed to go back to Reno after that
incident?
I'm joking, I'm joking.
Look, you thought I found outright.
I'm joking, I'm joking.
Speaker 4 (16:06):
Look, you were like you thought I found out right.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
No no because I thought I yelled at something I
thought I yelled.
I thought I was talking aboutfrom the tournament.
I'm like I've had a couple ofdifferent little spats with
people.
But no, no, no, honestly, I'mnot a big fan of Reno and, quite
honestly, I mean didn't feellike going there and spending my
money on certain people, so Idecided not to go.
I do have some kids that aregoing to be going again, and my
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wife is fortunate enough to go,but I know you're heading out
there, tj, with expectations andstuff.
What are you thinking?
Speaker 4 (16:37):
I'm not sure.
I mean, like I said, I knowthat I was looking at some of
the stats and who was signed upfor the event.
We'll see who actually ends upbeing there when they fight.
I mean, I think you'll have acouple more, some of the fewer,
higher, other higher levelathletes from the USA there, so
there'll be a the addition ofthose.
I think you lost some fromCanada and I was speaking to a
lot of my coaches out there.
A lot of them aren't coming tothe U S open.
Some of them are, but we seewhat the divisions look like
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once they put them out.
I'm excited.
Is it the US Open?
The US Open, yeah, the.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
US.
Speaker 4 (17:11):
Open is in Reno, I mean I know the Uzbekistan goes.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
No, no, go ahead.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
I was watching you try to say Uzbekistan.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Uzbekistan.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
Uzbekistan.
I was having a struggle.
Oh, even better, uzbekistan isgoing to be coming.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
That's a true Kazakhstani pronunciation of it
Uzbekistan.
It's correct.
Most people say Uzbekistan andit's not Uzbekistan.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
Uzbekistan is good Uzbekistan yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
But they're coming.
I mean, they're supposed to becoming.
I know Argentina is there.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
Yeah, but they're coming.
I mean, they're supposed to becoming.
I know Argentina is there,mexico is there.
Of course, like you said, someof the top athletes from the
United States will be thereagain.
So I mean it could be a goodmix, and of course, there's just
a bunch of other Americans aswell.
The divisions look a little bitlarger.
I'm not quite sure about theoverall quality.
I mean, I think the upperechelon will be pretty well
represented, but the other onesare some, you know, maybe some
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lower level guys.
They're just trying to take ashot, and which is awesome,
which is exactly what theyshould do.
I think the cadet juniordivisions same thing are a
little bit bigger as well.
So people have, you know, alittle bit longer of a day.
So I'm uh, I'll be watching,I'll watch on tv, so I'll see
how you guys all do it.
I uh, I'm curious to see, um,how match up again, it should be
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interesting.
Speaker 4 (18:26):
Do you know how to say hello in Uzbekistan?
Speaker 2 (18:28):
Do you guys know how to say hello in Uzbekistan
language?
Do you want to know how?
Hold on.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
Hello, that's how you say hello.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
I was like, oh, you say salam.
But yeah, I was like, oh,that's how you say hello.
I was going to try to say helloto you in Uzbekistan-ish ease,
because I've actually been toUzbekistan a few times.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
Yeah, I think for the brackets, though I think right
now because all the rankingpoints are still a little low
and everybody's kind of notsettled yet.
So it makes for a couple ofgood matches here there, like
early in the day or at times.
They normally wouldn't happen,you know.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
So and it'll be good.
Everyone's just there well,let's go, you know there's
something else I, I think we Iwant to talk about, and I, you
know me, I always like to bringup the topics that people
hesitate to talk about, um well,I got something you know, you
do it.
I don't want I don't know.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
no, this is probably the same it's probably the same
topic, because I think it'simportant and crucial, and it
dovetails into many of thethings that Warehouse 15 is
known for, besides its coolapparel so I mean, listen, I'm
gonna start it because there's,there's, there's a couple of
different versions of you know,I want to talk about and and I'm
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gonna say this again,disclaimer, this is not, this is
not personal, because I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna talk
about a couple people today thatI actually happen to like as
people.
Like when I say I like them aspeople, nothing but respectful
to me, nothing but polite to me,I don't have anything bad to
say about them as a person atall, like zero.
I will question why they're incertain positions and I'm going
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to start right now because it'sa hot topic in the United States
.
There was a staff named andright now it's just for the
cadet and junior national team,along with team trainers and
along with staff, and I'm notgoing to say anything about the
coaches.
At one moment they say meritand then some people have people
on the team, some people don't,but I like the staff, I think
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they're fine.
My problem is with twodifferent positions, one
trainers and one leaders, andI'm going to put it out there.
I just saw a name on the staffas a trainer and, if I'm not
mistaken, I could be 100% wrongand maybe, tj, you can correct
me or somebody can put in thecomments, but from what I know,
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this person is a trainer andhasn't been around for about
four or five years, if I'm notmistaken, since the 2020 Olympic
qualification event and thisguy is now on the staff as a
trainer.
And so my question is how doesthis guy get on the staff one
and you two?
Are you telling me there's noother coach that's been to
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nationals and trials andinternational events over and
over and over over the last fouryears that wasn't capable to
fill that role?
It drives me absolutely nuts,because I like this guy.
When I tell you I like this guy, I like this guy a lot, but how
he was positioned there isunfathomable for me, which takes
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me to my other position.
So in each group, you have threecoaches and two trainers.
That's five staff people, threecoaches on the cadet team and
two trainers, and then you havea USAT administration person and
another person.
So you got management, you gotcoaches, you got trainers, and
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then you have a person that'sbeen named to a title that I've
never even heard of the teamlead for the team lead yeah, the
team lead for juniors and cadet.
Meanwhile, the person doesn'treally even have athletes in
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that category, but even more tothe more to the point, like what
is their role?
What is their function?
What is this person inparticular Again, nice person to
me, a super nice person.
I have nothing bad to say abouther but are you telling me that
this person has the expertiseto be the leader and the
overseer of all this, abovethese coaches that have been
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there doing it are there, youknow, contributing year after
year after year, and this personjust gets elevated up there.
I don't understand it.
I don't understand it and Idon't even know what it is.
Again, I don't know what it is,but the two people that I'm
referring to, it's just, it'sunbelievable.
How does this, how does how dowe segue into this?
(23:03):
How does this go?
I mean cause, one minute,they're saying merit.
One minute they're saying who'sworking with organizations.
One word, they're saying aslong as you're not detrimental
to, I don't even know, but thesetwo people individually, I
don't know how they get there.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
So let me, let me let me help you guys with at least
a historical perspective of howteam leadership used to work or
should work, or how the OlympicCommittee used to work, and it
may have changed so historically.
You have mission-criticalpeople, and those are the people
that do the training for theathletes and, depending on the
budget, you have coaches,assistant coaches and trainers,
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people that actually hold thetargets, or training partners.
So we understand that and thatreally, I don't think has
changed much, nor should itchange.
Above that level, you have headof team or team leaders, or
whatever the terminology may be,and theirs is not supposed to
be a position based on technicalknowledge, but it should be a
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position based on organizationalknowledge, and they're
literally water carriers.
They're the guys that go out,get the fruit and the vegetables
and the sports drinks, and ifsomebody needs something
specific, they do that so thatthe coaches can focus on
coaching and the athletes canfocus on winning.
But you've got to remember thepolluted and nepotistic
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atmosphere that the athletes andthe coaches find themselves in
now.
Athletes are cajoled orthreatened to have to go train
in I don't know some backwoodarea of Kentucky or somewhere,
and if they don't, then theydon't have a chance of making
the team or they don't getcoached, or if they do show up
and they're not going, theydon't get coached.
So that's level one.
Level two is the organizationhas decided to maintain the
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people in power by removinganybody else that has knowledge
or ability or is merit-based.
So they've taken second, thirdand fourth tier people.
They've eliminated first andsecond tier people that have
history.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
That's where they're going.
That's where they're going.
Yeah, that's where they'regoing.
They've eliminated first andsecond tier.
That's what they've done.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
So they've gotten anybody that actually had
success and could threaten theirjobs.
Because, let's be clear, ifthey were to put a first or
second tier person in anyposition in USAT, there would be
two things that would happenimmediately.
Number one Steve McNally wouldbe fired.
Number two, jay Warwick wouldbe fired as well because he's
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taking a paycheck, because hehasn't found a paycheck or a
plane ticket he doesn't love.
Number three, high performancedirector would probably be gone,
as would Sherman Nelson,whatever his position is,
because he's not value-added.
Because in a mission-criticalsport organization, value-added
means what you do is crucial andadds to either revenue or to
winning.
And I can't say that SteveMcNally, who hasn't done
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anything other than be amarketer, pr director of
nonsense.
Jay Warwick didn't win when hecompeted and didn't win when he
was executive director, and Icould say the same about pretty
much everybody else in thatthird and fourth what I call
third and fourth tiers.
So now, when you empower thirdand fourth tier people, they're
extremely happy.
And do you know why?
Because, much like a weed underthe concrete, they haven't seen
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sunlight.
And when you break the concreteand you allow them to see
sunlight, they're so glad thatthey're getting water and
they're getting sunlight, thatthey're willing to carry the
water and say yes, sir, yes, sir, yes, sir, yes, sir.
And so it doesn't matteranymore.
And the results aren't there.
So that's what's happening Now.
I'm not surprised by it, becauseif you look at any good
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plutocracy, any good oligarchy,any good monarchy, any good
thing like that, the first thingthey do is kill the smart ones
Cuba by way of example.
When Cuba decided it was goingto be communist, the very first
thing is they exited everyonethat could threaten that.
So all the people that hadmoney got to leave, and in fact,
(26:54):
they welcomed them to leave.
Leave your money and leave.
And they got to leave and theygot rid of anyone that could
cause them any problems and, asa result, cuba still continues
to exist.
When you leave the people thatcan cause you trouble in power,
they will come back to kill you,and this happened in USA
Taekwondo before.
So they learned the lessons ofwhat happened to the guys like
(27:16):
Sang Lee and their predecessorswhen you had people in the room
that were first here some of uswho are on the phone now.
We got rid of everybody thatwas doing bad things.
We killed them, we got rid ofthem.
So this group has learned alesson because, quite frankly,
jay Warwick got killed by themand then he got back and now
(27:38):
he's got the ultimate revenge.
He's the only guy in the roomthat was originally a first year
person, so he's smart enoughnow not to have a single
colleague or compatriot orcontemporary in the room with
him, because then he knows whatwill happen he will be out of
the room.
Steve McNally, I don'tunderstand how they rehired them
.
The very first thing I would dois take the board on a trip, a
(28:02):
one-way ticket, fly them back totheir country of origin,
wherever that is, and leave themthere and let them get home,
however they would, becausethey've done nothing for the
organization except todisempower it.
All right, anyway, I'll get alot of comments on that later.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
Let's.
I mean TJ, I want to.
I mean, if you don't haveanything to say about that
little staff thing that Imentioned, I mean that's fine.
If you do, you can go ahead.
But I mean, if not, I'm goingto get.
I want to get to something thatyou posted yesterday and I want
to ask you a couple ofquestions about that.
But you, I mean, do you want tosay anything about that or
comment on what I talked about?
No, you're right.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
Right, I talked about no, you're right on, right on.
So I think I put it in my post.
They do what they want, howthey want, when they want.
If they want to make a position, they make a position.
If they don't want it to exist,no more.
There's no more space.
There's this reason.
It's because of this, it'sbecause of this, it's because of
this.
I just, I just want everyone toremember, like even some of the
people that are on, how theyacted when you guys were on the
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team, how they treated you whenyou were on the team.
So remember that and takingthose positions, and at least
make sure, if you're on theinside, you're fixing it,
because remember what they didand how they put you to the side
.
That's it.
You can go ahead.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
So let me, if I want to talk, I'm going to go on your
.
When I read your thing, it wasobviously lengthy.
I mean it appears it was prettythought out.
It seemed like it came fromsome emotion.
But experience and I thinkthat's the best way I can put it
I mean you were frustrated,let's use that word.
(29:35):
But it all comes fromexperience and I read it like a
couple of times because I wantedto see if I could poke holes in
it.
And when I started reading it,I mean, obviously you've told me
things that pertain to me, myrelationship with you and how
it's affected you, but it wasnever for me to talk publicly
about that because that was foryou.
(29:57):
But now that you opened up thatcan of worms, I'm going to talk
about first things.
First, people think about thisIf our leadership, if your
leadership, has told anothercoach that because he's who he's
associated with, he is notgoing to be considered, no
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matter what he does, no matterwhat merit he has, it's only
because you have a friendship ora relationship with another
group or person.
Like, what does that say?
Like, how does that say we wantthe best for our organization?
Now, tj, if you were nobody.
You have no results, you haveno performances.
Okay, you know you're askingfor a favor, but if people in
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the organization said, hey, whoyou hang out with, they don't
like that person.
And so, because they don't likethat person and you like that
person, now you can't be part ofthe club, you can't be part of
the team, what are we saying?
You know what's crazy.
Speaker 4 (31:01):
It's like a rotating joke.
It's like everyone in the roomknows this.
Everyone in the room knows this.
They know this, they understandthis.
It's spoken about, it'swhispered about, it's rumored
about.
They know this for 100% fact.
It's not a secret.
Nobody thinks it's a secret.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
No, and I'll apologize because, honestly, I
don't know why they don't likeme.
I don't know if it's jealousy,I don't know if it's, I don't
know.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
They don't like you because you like me.
You're right, probably Herb, no,no, let's get clear If you're
friends with me, and I'm okaywith that, because I don't like
clowns, I don't like ass clowns.
So you know this all startswith the fear of people right,
imposter, failure, impostersyndrome.
When you yourself don't believethat you are good enough, it
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affects your performance and thevery first thing you do is you
do a Tanya Harding on people.
You get out the bat and you hitpeople in the knees out the
building.
And this is the USA cultureright now.
In Taekwondo, steve McNallyknows he's not a CEO.
He knows that more than heknows who he is.
Every time he gets threatened,the next phone call he makes is
(32:29):
threatening.
I can't tell you the times hesent me threatening texts.
I'm like knock yourself out, goahead, jay Warwick.
Every time he feels threatened,you get a phone call.
Aren't we still friends?
Don't people say you're notsaying nice things about me?
No, I'm not saying nice thingsabout you.
This is a you know.
(32:50):
I just got off a podcast with adear friend of mine, Sifu
Harinda Singh, and he said youknow, one of the things I like
about you is you're authenticand you're you unapologetically.
You, yeah, I am, and that'swhat we should all be.
So, with regard to these guys,coach both of you.
They don't you gotta feelhonored.
Feel honored?
(33:10):
No, no, we're going to get amug, and the mug is going to say
I too have been ostracized bythe the the ass clown show.
And so, with that said, yeah,they don't want their best and
brightest and they hope the restwill make it through.
Because, to be honest, over thepast five to 10 years, the
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decisions that have been made bythis particular leadership
group the very first thing Iwould do is undo all of them and
get the petition together.
I'll come in and lead USATaekwondo for one year and I'll
fix it in a year, and everybodycan kill me on the way out, but
the reality is that theorganization is going the wrong
direction.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
But you know what the herb difference is.
Okay, you've, you've, you'vebeen outspoken about it in
social media and whatever.
Like me, I don't even talk.
I mean, since we started thispodcast, I've talked about some
trials and situations, butreally I have no stick in the
fire, which is crazy.
So that means I haven't been inan organization for five years
Five years minimum, I think it'slonger, but let's say five
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years.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
Juan, coach, coach, coach.
Think about this for a minute.
You ever watch Game of Thrones?
Yeah, all right.
When you kill somebody, youdon't just kill them, you kill
them, you kill their family, youkill their children, you kill
their children's children, youkill anybody that know them,
because then they can never comeback.
Virtue of what's happening withtj is they're saying to tj, you
(34:34):
know him, you'll probably stillbe with him.
So if we give you something,you won't suck off the
proverbial global teat of SteveMcNally and Jay Warwick.
You will revert and becomeJuan's biggest fan and biggest
friend.
Speaker 3 (34:53):
Listen, the reason I'm talking about it TJ opened
up the can.
And the reason I'm talkingabout it today is because, tj,
you said it.
Everybody knows.
You know how many people I gotcalls of people who just got put
on staffs and they called me tothank me for my support from
when they first started and nowthey're getting there.
They thanked me and they saidyou know what I'll still, I'm
(35:13):
always going to be respectful,blah, blah, blah blah.
And I'm thinking to myself.
But that these peoplethroughout the years yeah, you
know they don't mess with you,juan, you know they don't like
peak Juan, you know they're notgoing to let you they said I'm
like okay, okay, okay, okay,okay, okay.
But like what is that again?
Five years?
I'm not, I'm not even.
I haven't even been to a USATech Wando event.
I went to the team trials andpeople are like what are you
(35:35):
doing here?
I and I left the next day,that's it.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
Literally, you don't have a lifetime membership.
Speaker 3 (35:41):
I don't have a lifetime membership.
I got one of those To hear thattwo staff members are telling TJ
not to be friends with Juan,not to think, to be so petty
like you might watch a trainingand then go tell Juan and Juan
will tell the Brazilians.
Yo, no to you fools.
We've beaten you guys beforeand I didn't need anything, so
(36:04):
stop that.
I mean it's just a match.
I mean you guys are ridiculous.
It's so petty that people needto know, and people need to know
that we know People need toknow that we are going to try to
get rid of this stuff.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
Can I tell you a story that was related to me and
I won't tell you One more thing.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
One more thing it's even worse when people try to
act like they're your friends,when people try to act like they
got your best interest, whenpeople that you've known for
years say, yeah, it's not right,but yet they go in that circle
and do the exact same thing foryear after year after year, and
so it's too much.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
Here's the.
Speaker 4 (36:44):
Sorry you year after year and so.
So here's too much, here's the,here's the sorry, here 's
you're good, you're, and you're,you're good and it's not wrong.
That's the biggest part.
That's the biggest part whenthe upper echelon of people you
know for a long time can sitthere and tell you that they
know it's not right.
They can tell you that you'rebeing shit on.
They're literally saying it toyour face and they're in the mix
, and then they're shitting onyou too.
What is the what is the what?
What?
What's the deal Like?
I don't understand.
You can't tell me that this iswrong and this is wrong and this
(37:05):
is wrong, but you do it againand again and again.
It's like then, then what arewe doing?
Just because, just just be,like you said, just because of
who I'm associated with, becauseI'm a, I'm a, I'm sometimes,
I'm going to be somewhere, I'mgoing to see something, and it's
going to change the wholeoutcome of the tournament.
I don't know if that's like asuperpower of mine, but it's the
most absurd thing I've everheard in my entire life.
(37:26):
And, like you said, if that'swhat you fear, you have bigger
problems.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
And the funny thing is, I mean TJ is like you know,
this is not, this is not myopinion right now.
This is not my opinion.
These are facts, these weresaid, these are being said and
so you know, these guys gottaown up for that, like I.
I mean in a strange way, that'ssome kind of like I don't know
what the term is.
I mean like like if you're, if,if our organization is out.
(37:54):
I keep saying our if you're, ifthat organization is out,
because it is our, becausethat's what?
Speaker 4 (37:59):
because you can't like the, the it's.
It's the fact of how it is itmatters.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
It's hard not to say it yeah, it's hard because I
mean yeah, but if, if, whetherit's me and my peak people or
john smith, if our group says weneed to keep that group out,
for whatever reason that is, youguys state that you say, oh
someone, that's detrimental tothe organization.
(38:25):
You're detrimental to theorganization because you're not
looking for the best people,you're looking to keep people
away for whatever reason.
And I keep going back to thisfive-year thing.
I haven't, since these guyshave come into administration, I
haven't been part of it.
Literally, I haven't been apart of it.
Literally I haven't been a partof it.
Yet they'll still say thingslike that to you, tj, and to
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others.
Speaker 4 (38:45):
Like it or not, and they sell it to everyone around
them.
I've been at competitions andI've been intense moments
coaching my guys in betweenrounds and I think it was oh, I
need you to hit that shit harderTalking about the chess card to
my guy, and I think it was oh,I need you to hit that shit
harder.
Talking about the chess card tomy guy, I had the referees come
up to me afterwards and tell meA you can't talk like that.
The referees wanted to give youa yellow card At a USAT event.
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They said that to me About metalking to my athlete who's in
the military in between rounds.
Fast forward to nationals.
They let a coach call a child abitch, a bitch Twice.
They let him call him a B-wordand did nothing about it.
The referees didn't do anythingabout it.
The organization didn't doanything about it.
They stood there.
He stood there and yelled atthe parent in the stands yelling
(39:30):
at the grown-ass man talkingcrap to his child.
It told him to sit down.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
So that same coach.
Right, let me relate a story.
I won't tell you where I gotthe story from, but I can tell
you I got it from the source.
A particular athlete femaleathlete won the ultimate goal on
the way out to the award medalceremony.
The coach I won't mention hisname, gareth brown.
Um, did I mention his name?
(39:58):
Sorry?
Sorry, mr Brown.
Appropriate name, appropriatecolor says to the athlete, grabs
her and says you remember this?
You would be nothing without me.
This is not your medal, this ismine.
You'd be nothing without me.
So if that's pervasive in theway the coach is talking to an
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athlete, why does the b wordsurprise you?
Why does any of this surpriseyou?
And it shouldn't surprise youbecause this is unfettered power
.
Unfettered power.
There's nobody watching theshop.
There's nobody they respectwatching the shop.
And the guy who should be inthe room teaching the legacy, mr
I am.
(40:40):
Oh, let me teach you how to beon the US team.
That was Jay Warwick's coachingwhen he was captain.
The very guy who should beteaching the ethics and the
morals.
When I call him up and I send anote to him about this same
coach, giving the middle fingerand putting it on Facebook,
nothing, crickets.
He's like well, you know, know,we don't feel, you don't feel.
(41:00):
What could you imagine, duringthe days when we were fighting,
if we had done that, what wouldhave happened to us?
So the guy who's supposed to bethe taekwondo guy in the room,
the ethics, the moral keeper,where is he like?
he's drinking wine even worse nohe's drinking wine on montana
in a river and he's going toonly when he has to and he he's
taking the free plane ticketsand the free trips.
(41:20):
So you can go hang out withJungkook Young and the guy that
beat him all the time and laughabout the past and his past
failures.
But anyway.
Speaker 3 (41:32):
I think the point of it is like these things happen
and there's no repercussions,but yet you're going to have a
microscope on someone likeyourself, tj, because you might
see something in a practice.
But you said I don't know theathlete you're talking about,
herb that said that.
He said that too, but these aretwo different coaches, first of
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all.
But again, I never spoke aboutthis publicly because it wasn't
my.
Again, when it's a cultureculture, yes, you're right, and
I never.
I never mentioned, I neverspoke about this publicly
because it wasn't myconversation.
This was me and tj'sconversation privately.
He put it in public.
That's what I'm talking aboutnow, just like I've had
different calls from familymembers and said I want to say
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something but I can't because wehave an agreements and this,
and that I'm like it's sad thatgrown parents feel afraid to say
something but I can't becausewe have an agreement and this,
and that I'm like it's sad thatgrown parents feel afraid to say
something, too afraid to speakup on behalf of their kids or
whatever else, because ofretribution.
They feel like they have to goto certain places to train.
If not, they will never get thechance to get to the Olympics.
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That's the culture that is hereright now.
That's not even my Juan Morenoculture, the peak performance
culture that I feel.
That's the parents telling us.
That's the parents takingexodus to go move their families
and train other places, becauseif not, if not, they don't have
a choice.
Speaker 4 (42:57):
They don't have a choice.
Everyone knows it.
It's not a secret.
Everybody knows it.
It's not a secret.
Everybody knows it.
You all talk about it, we alltalk about it, we know it and
we've accepted it.
And it's going to keephappening over and, over and
over again.
There's way too much talent totell me that this is the only
way.
It's impossible.
It's never been like that.
It's impossible.
(43:18):
It, it's impossible.
It's never been like that.
It's impossible.
It doesn't work like that.
It shouldn't be like that.
I don't know what agreement orwhatever, that you can't speak
out or say what you feel.
If that's not, I don't knowwhat you call that.
But if that's not bullying orwhatever words you guys like to
use, I don't know what is?
Speaker 3 (43:37):
Listen, that's blackmail.
That's not you know.
I keep hearing this wordculture.
We're trying to build a culture.
You're doing just the opposite.
You're telling people theycan't talk.
You're eliminating people thatwant to help and want to be
successful, people that have putin time, and you're just
getting in all these.
I'm all for new blood, don'tmistake it.
(43:58):
People are doing well.
There's a junior coach Again, Idon't want to mention people's
names on here that I think isdoing really well.
Put a couple of kids onnational team and guess what?
He's there.
Hey man, good for you, I'mhappy I see them when he used to
come to my seminars.
His program is growing up.
He's producing good cadet andjunior level athletes.
Good for you.
So I'm all for that new blood.
(44:18):
But don't tell me you're goingto put these positions of guys
or put people in a position thathaven't been around the
organization for five years.
Don't tell me you're going tobuild a new literally a new role
that is not going to doanything, to take resources and
money.
When we can't pay for cadetsand juniors to do things, we
don't have money for othersenior national teammates.
(44:40):
Well, we don't have thingsorganized.
It's it's.
It's just sad.
I mean people need to talkabout that.
And I know people say we'retrying, we're trying, we're
trying.
You know, I know they had thistown meeting and they're they're
going back to a regionalcenters and stuff.
God bless them.
This is the third time.
And I will say, you know theywere like listen is the third
(45:00):
time.
And I will say, you know theywere like listen.
I know we've tried it beforebut we gotta keep trying.
Hope you guys have a bettermousetrap because, for whatever
reason, you know, the two guysthat see we're on that call
never had a program, neverdeveloped athletes from the.
You know, from the beginning,uh, one was part of a program, I
can say that.
But and and now you guys havecome up with a plan, I don't
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know.
I mean, it doesn't, doesn'tseem to make a lot of sense,
doesn't seem to make a lot ofsense.
But anyway, tj, look, I'mmeanwhile, meanwhile I get the
call.
Speaker 4 (45:29):
I get the call and I'm told I have one of the
highest tech window iqs in ourcountry but I'm being not
utilized.
Again, I'm being, I'm, I'mbeing, I'm being told how good I
, but I can't work with you guysby the people that are there
right now and it's not going tochange unless X, y and Z happens
.
Like it doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 3 (45:48):
It doesn't make any sense.
Tj, do it right now.
Denounce your friendship withme.
We are no longer friends.
Speaker 4 (45:54):
We are no longer friends.
I do not like the colors blueand yellow.
I am TJ.
Speaker 2 (45:59):
Did that word phone ring.
Does the phone ring?
I accept Did it work, wait no.
Speaker 4 (46:06):
No, I can't do it no no, I won't do it no.
No phone calls.
Give it to TJ.
No phone calls from me.
Speaker 2 (46:14):
All right, gentlemen.
Well, I think we've hit thattopic now.
If you want to um a couple ofthings, let's get started to go
fund me, so I'll make thiscommitment to everyone.
If you want me to help USATaekwondo, I will do it free for
one year.
I won't take a salary.
No plane tickets, nothing.
I will fix it.
I will get rid of all theclowns.
(46:37):
I will fix it.
The go fund me will rid of allthe clowns.
I will fix it.
The GoFundMe will be to getplane tickets for them to go
back to whence they came.
Let's send Steve McNally backto.
I thought it was Australia, butsomebody told me it's Great
Britain.
I'm sure they'd welcome himback.
I'm sure there's a job waitingfor him.
Come on, man, they love America, america.
(46:57):
Well, they got to listen.
We used to be the guy that didthe OxyClean, so they probably
need another OxyClean spokesman,and that's what he is and
that's what the GoFundMe will be.
So start the petition, startthe GoFundMe and I will do it
for a year, fix it and then Ipromise at the end of the year
I'll leave and put somebodybetter in.
(47:18):
Second, fire the board ofdirectors.
I will find a way to replaceeverybody on the board of
directors, because they areresponsible for this.
And then, thirdly, we'll makeit a meritocracy again and I
think it would be good and Ithink we could fix it.
But that's my challenge toeverybody Now.
If you're willing to do that,the guy who starts or the girl
who starts to go, fund me.
(47:38):
I got some warehouse 15 swagfor you, so just let me know
your size and we'll send it offfour different people.
Speaker 3 (47:46):
It's not a lot, but four different people at
different things, like hey, whenare you gonna do the shirt
thing?
Speaker 2 (47:50):
or hey, tell them to send me the thing.
All I ask is we'll get themwhatever a hoodie, t-shirt,
whatever they want hat.
They got to do a social mediapost on it and it's got got to
say sorry, but sorry, not sorry,that's it.
That's all I asked for.
Nobody needs to say anythingelse Sorry, not sorry, that's it
.
On the other side of it, thoughClosing thoughts from my two my
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well, my new.
We're going to raise him now.
He's going to change his nameto best coach, not bronze TJ, tj
.
Closing thoughts.
No, I mean, I think we talkedalways a place for you in Canada
, apparently go ahead.
Speaker 4 (48:27):
It's a woman, he's good.
Yeah, I'm chilling.
No, I just just again, like you, I think coach will hit it
right on the head.
I don't want this to bepersonal.
I've talked to, I talked to alot of people.
I'm nice to a lot of people.
We I have a lot of a lot ofthese people are my friends and
people that, like I'd say, Iwork with very well.
This is just.
This is just what the case is.
I don't want to hear, of course, like the thing is you're a
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hater, you're this.
I don't know about nobody else,I don't involve anything else.
This is my experience and whatI've had to deal with.
That's it.
And, like I said again, thankyou guys for everyone who
reached out and said the nicethings and in support of me.
I appreciate you always andI'll see you guys soon.
Speaker 3 (49:10):
Coach Moreno, yeah, I mean, I'll echo that Again, I
said it earlier these people, Imean I like them as people.
They haven't done me wrong atall.
I just question the why.
But I'm going to say something,tj, I'm going to challenge all
those people, because I've seen,for example, I've seen you put
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some posts up, tj, and it's likelike, like, like, like, like,
like All those people that Iknow you're out there watching
on social media.
You didn't comment one and Iknow that the names of the
people, nothing, nothing.
Oh, we're with you, tj.
Oh, we understand TJ.
We hope it gets better.
Tj, nothing.
Shame on you guys.
Shame on you guys for justbeing quiet.
Shame on you guys for notfeeling brave enough to speak
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your mind as adults, as coaches,as supporters, because you guys
know what's right and you knowwhat's wrong, and for me it's
just, it's not correct.
You don't have to be as brashas I'm being today.
You don't have to be as mean asbeing Juan is being mean.
I know how to be a professional.
I've been a professional for 30, 40 years in this game and I
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have a lot more friends thanenemies.
But it how to be a professional.
I've been a professional for 30, 40 years in this game and I
have a lot more friends thanenemies.
But it needs to be said and Iwish people that talk all this
stuff behind closed doors wouldbe adults enough to do the right
thing and support when you saystuff like this, tj.
So kudos to you, brother, I'mproud of you and we keep moving
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forward Well the warehouse.
Speaker 2 (50:42):
You know, one of the things I'll say is I've spent a
long time trying to fix thingsin your organization and usually
what happens is everybody callsyou and they want you to step
up and they say they'll be therewhen you turn around.
You're alone and that's okay.
I've been in that room too manytimes.
So I hope that some of themstep up for you, brother, like
we are stepping up for you, andI hope that we can find a way
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for the great, inimitable,unrefutably worst CEO in the
history of mankind and his COOco-partner to go back.
Jay can go back and fish flyfish in Montana and Steve
McNally can go back to sellingOxiClean wherever that is that
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he's from.
But in the words of theWarehouse 15, it's been real,
real nice.
And again, if we offended you,sorry, not sorry, we're out,
peace.
Welcome to the Warehouse 15.
Again You're here withGrandmaster Disaster and we got
TJ and Coach Moreno and, asalways, we're going to keep it
real but, more importantly, realinteresting.
And if it bothers you a littlebit or hurts your feelings, well
oh well, sorry.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
It might be that day.
It might be that day.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
And you feel free.
You know my email well, sorry,it might be that day.
It might be that day and youfeel free, you know my email
address is TJ.
Anyway, welcome, Mr TJ.
How are you doing?
Today.
Sir, what do you got going on?
Tell us a little bit.
Just wait, Hold on a minute.
I want to get a shout out toBudo Brothers.
I'm wearing their awesomemartial art theme hoodie.
So when I wear it around thestreets everybody says how you
(01:06):
doing, Mr TJ, what?
Speaker 4 (01:09):
do you got going on?
That's so funny.
You know, I've worked with thatcompany before.
They actually sent me a bunchof clothing.
It was like this Komodo thingand like a combat stick or
something.
I've actually worked with thoseguys.
It's like let me see the symbol.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
I don't know where the symbol is.
I just dug it so I just kind ofput it on.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
I think I've seen it before there.
Those are.
Those are pretty cool guys.
I've actually worked with thembefore.
Um, I'm chilling, having a nicerainy day here in North
Carolina Nice and cold.
Um, I just real quick.
I just want to say thank you toall the people that and
responded to my post and saidsome nice things.
Thank you, Understand that thisis not a personal attack on
anyone.
This is just simply what's beengoing on.
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I'm just over it.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Thank you guys Marando what do you?
Got.
How are you doing today, sir?
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm good, I'm good, I'm happy to be
back into my.
I'm the exact opposite sunny 80, miami just getting back from
Montreal.
It's sunny 80, miami justgetting back from Montreal.
It was very cold, it was verysnowy.
You had a great event.
So, no, I'm doing good and I'mjust ready to get into the
session.
I think maybe we have a littlerecap about Reno I'm sorry recap
(02:16):
about the Canadian Open inMontreal and then kind of get
into Reno and then kind ofhonestly, I think for maybe some
bigger, more interesting topics, is kind of a state of affairs
was going on with with theorganization here in the United
States.
So I think we'll talk aboutthat.
So let's go with the withMontreal, the Canadian open.
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I thought it was a first andforemost.
I got to say these guys put ona great event.
Actually, someone said somethingto me recently and I and I
didn't think about it too much,but they were just talking about
how the venue was just laid outbeautiful, young.
It looked really really firstclass, spacious, open, nice.
But what they said and I didn'tthink about it that has to be
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one of the nicest staff thatI've ever seen in my life, these
Canadians.
I know the technical director.
You know high performancedirector.
You know Alan, mr Alan and hisstaff.
There's like five people orfive people lay the mats down
but pick the mats up, run theholding area.
You know, have a coach'smeeting so polite at earth, tj.
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I didn't hear one time JohnSmith you meeting so polite at
earth, tj.
I didn't hear one time, johnsmith, you got three seconds
before you're disqualified, likeit's just.
They're so athlete friendlythat it just it.
It was long days, you know.
I mean it was just like anytournament there's some good
calls, bad calls, whatever, butjust uh, the friendliness and
openness and the way the venuelooked.
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First class, you know.
First class from my standpoint.
You know.
Shout out to the CanadianFederation for doing such a good
job.
I'm not sure what you thoughtabout that, tj.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
I thought it went well.
I mean, like you said, normaltech windows with the long days,
good calls, bad calls, all thatstuff.
Like you said, it felt veryfree flow and like everything
was kind of moving.
You know what I mean.
There was no like largedisruption or anything going on,
like you said.
I think that huge shout out toyou know, like you said, um, a
high performance director, alan,because I think you know, just
having everything, everyone ableto work together that kind of
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smoothly and no, no chaos, no,real nothing going on, that's a,
that's an awesome feat.
I know he has a lot of helpbehind the scenes.
I know Brittany also.
I know Brittany, the lady thatworks at the Garwards.
She's awesome as well.
But overall good event Goodfights, good matches, some
divisions a little tougher thanothers, but I think overall
level pretty good.
I liked it for a season opener.
It definitely was a good event.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
I mean for me personally.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
I haven't been to this right.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
Oh, oh, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait,
wait, coach Master Perez.
Yes, sir, I got one.
Does this count?
Can I count?
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Whoa, whoa, whoa.
Can I count that?
Speaker 4 (04:49):
Where we at.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Is that?
What is it?
There you go.
Coach of the year.
Coach of the year Coach of thetournament.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Oh nice, that's gold.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
That's gold.
I'll keep this and I'll keepthis, so let's go.
I mean for me, no, for me.
Personally.
I was good.
No, it was good he did.
Well, we'll talk about that.
I mean for me.
It was really interestingbecause I think it was the first
time I was at a cadet juniorday.
I don't know, man close to adecade.
I mean, I haven't been to one ofthose in in years and so, um,
it was a long day for me.
I brought a group of kids fromMiami and it was fun for me to
watch those guys compete andhave some gold medals and a
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couple other medals and somegood and bad, but it was fun to
watch the level.
Always, the cadet juniors arejust amazing because they're
wild, they're crazy, they're fun, they're free-flowing, and so
that was pretty cool, um, for me.
But I think the senior day,like you said, tj, there was
some divisions that were prettydarn competitive.
You know you had, you know, thesaline brothers were there, the
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spanish team were there.
Um, you know, canada had mostof their national team fighters
there.
Um, so I thought the level waspretty darn good, especially for
an opener.
What I thought was reallyinteresting it was very
combative, like there was somefights, herb, like I mean,
there's always going to be somesome points like that, but there
was some like some hitting andsome, yeah, it was pretty
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interesting it was a littlerough, you know, and I kind of
like that.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
I thought that was pretty cool.
It felt more like old schoolpan am region when it was like
that, like they were somethinghitting each other.
You could, you could feel theshots, you could see the shots.
People are getting put to thefloor, kicked to the floor.
I've seen, I saw some big bodyshots.
They kind of stuck, stuck somepeople.
I mean that overall, like yousaid, that event they were out.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
So, like you know, by the end it just was.
It was very physical, it almostlooked.
It almost looked a littlepersonal, like it was a real
fight, versus like hey, let'swin and dap you up and go home.
Something was different in thatvenue so I got to say I liked
it, it helps.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
I think Canada also has really good when they have
their cheering sections and it'sCanada versus anyone.
They like that, so it's alwaysso.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
it was really loud in those matches, yeah yeah, I
mean, there's a couple peoplewho stood out to me.
Obviously, Omar Saleem foughtextremely well.
Again, he had a couple.
He had a close match withBraven Park early on, but in his
final he fought anOlympic-level athlete, an
Olympic Olympian from Spain, andhe pretty much handled him
pretty easily.
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So that was pretty impressive.
A young lady.
Check this out, herb.
There was a girl that made theCanadian Junior National Team
and then the Canadian SeniorNational Team, then she won the
Canadian Junior Open and thenshe won the Canadian Senior Open
.
This girl got four gold medalsas a junior in an adult
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tournament.
She was dominant.
She's a world silver medalistat the Junior World
Championships.
So she's legit.
But I'll tell you what she's in62, which is lightweight.
That girl Brewster, she'ssomething.
She's going to be somethingthat we have to watch out for, I
would think in the in the nearfuture.
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Um, I got, I got a chance towatch her.
Uh, actually she fought one ofmy girls in the semifinal the
juniors and um, it was a lot, Igotta lie, it was a lot.
I was impressed.
And then, as soon as I heardshe was going to fight seniors,
I'm like, oh, she's winning,she's winning.
She's just that, that raw, thattough.
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So that was a, that was afemale that stood out to me
pretty, pretty well I wonder howmany matches I was throughout
the whole weekend.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
Oh, I'll find out.
It's a lot of matches.
It's a lot of matches, skylarpark pretty much walked through
the tournament too.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
I mean the olympic bronze medalist from Canada.
She walked through the droppretty easily.
I mean it didn't even lookdifficult for her.
Our Michael Rodriguez, unitedStates national team guy fought
a very good Brazilian in thefinal and came away with another
gold medal.
You were sitting in that chair,dj.
That was a pretty I don't wantto say it was a tough match, but
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it was pretty much in control.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
Those are always good matches, though I can't think
of his name right now.
I'm after that but he likes tofight.
You know what I mean.
You say going back to the.
Jadonis, jadonis.
Yeah, going back to the that wewere saying about people
hitting each other, that wasdefinitely a slobber knockover
match.
They were kind of beingphysical and fighting for those
rounds.
So, yeah, definitely won anintense match.
It's always intense matchesversus those guys, though, but
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yeah, michael was able to kindof keep the composure and score
his points where he needed toand make some good decisions
throughout that match.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
So very, very good.
It's funny, herb, check thisout.
On the US national team there'sa Michael Rodriguez, then
there's a Victor Rodriguez andthen there's another Michael
Rodriguez, then there's a VictorRodriguez and then there's
another Michael Rodriguez.
There's three Rodriguez's onthe national team for the United
States.
So it's kind of interesting.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
And the big.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Michael which is in the middleweight 87,.
He won a gold medal too.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
You mentioned something about Kendall, which I
think is important to recognizeand I want to get back to the
fighters for a minute but thelevel of professionalism that
you run an event for, for peoplethat are professionals, is
important, right?
I mean, I think if you can go toa country and they treat you
correctly, they treat you likean athlete, they treat you like
a professional, because ourathletes are, you know,
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vis-a-vis professionals.
For the most part, thatresonates with the coaches and
your desire to go back to theevent, unless it's a must-go-to
event, and certainly ourexperiences at the Pan Am Games
and at the Olympics.
We didn't have people pullingus and pushing us and yelling at
us.
We had people taking care of us, doing what we needed them to
do, treating us likeprofessionals, and I think
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that's kudos to Canada, right?
Canadians, by nature, just nicepeople, right.
I'm always, uh, impressed withthe level of politeness and
going out of the way for others.
Um, although they have some oftoughest fighters that you know
I've ever fought certainly werefrom Canada, but um, you know, I
think, shout out to one of yourold friends.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
You know who was.
You know was there was he thereOne of our good friends you
remember who was?
There.
Was he there?
One of our good friends, whichone you remember, ashley, was
there.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
He's always.
I stay in touch with him.
I love he's one of my favoritefighters ever.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
Yeah, he's awesome.
He's such a good dude.
He comes around and obviouslyhe's good friends.
My wife worked for him when shewent to Montreal for a little
while after she retired, and sowe have just a really good
relationship.
So he was there.
So he always speaks highly ofyou.
Yeah, very fun.
Yeah, he's a warrior, I meanhe's a wild warrior.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
He did taekwondo when it mattered and he did it
because it mattered and he madeit matter.
You know, he had arguably hewas the I won't say he's the
designer of it but he was the Iwon't say he's the designer of
it, but he was the master of theCanadian, what we called the
Canadian back kick, and it wasunstoppable.
And I saw him put more peopleon the floor with body shots,
almost as many as his teammateJean-Claude put on the floor
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with back hook kicks.
I mean, that guy wasunbelievable.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
So what's the can can describe canadian?
Speaker 2 (12:05):
back kick, canadian back kick.
Is you, it's a, it's a, almostlike a donkey kick.
You can't, you don't turn yourhead over, you don't look
because you don't need to look,because you know where it's
going to end up and I it's atesticle, what I call the
testicle tickler with the toes.
So they take their heel andthey point their heel up and
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their toes down.
Yeah and no, seriously.
And when you hit it, this isthe clip that will come out, by
the way, testicle ticklers.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
I don't know why I.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
No, but it's true.
So I could stand up anddemonstrate, not the tickling
part, but the foot and the toesare down, the heel is up.
So when you hit somebody and wehit them as a lower stomach,
the heel is in the lower stomachand the toes are literally
tickling the testicles dependingon the size of the testicles,
of course, and but it's deadlyeffective because you're hitting
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them on the weakest part of thestomach.
And Ashley dropped more people,and early on, I think, when
people tried it, and the reasonit works is your knee is tucked
into your body, as opposed tothe Korean style where your knee
eventually comes out.
Their knee never comes out.
The other people that took aversion of were the Spaniards,
so the Spaniards have slightlydifferent back kick.
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That was similar, I think, oldschool Moroccan back kick was
the same.
Speaker 4 (13:23):
Was it Moroccan back kick?
They similar.
I think old school Moroccanback kick was the same Was it.
Moroccan back kick.
They used to tuck in and drivetheir foot straight back and hit
the center of the chest guard.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
I got to be honest.
I copied it for a while.
I had like three or fourdifferent back kicks and that
was one of them that I copied,but in particular for the
testicle tickling because Ithought that was fantastic.
I'm joking.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
It was a good tournament.
Obviously there was a lot ofgood matches and there was a lot
of good results.
The United States had a femaleheavyweight that won a gold
medal, Naomi the big.
Michael Rodriguez won a goldmedal.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
87, yes, Ava Lee, who fights in Haiti, she won a gold
medal.
He fought a good Spanish guy,Michael Rodriguez.
Yeah, that was a good match.
I think it went three rounds,but that was a good match.
It did it did go three.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
There was, like I said, there was some.
I think it was a well-runtournament.
It was a well-laid outtournament.
I think you had a good level,like you said it, and just a
great first tournament.
I think most of the divisionspeople had four and five fights.
I'm sure there's a few that hadget a bye and get three, but it
wasn't extremely big in thenumbers.
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But I think overall a prettydecent level, which kind of
leads us into well, I should saythis I mean TJ did win that
coach of the year as a malecoach.
I think he was awesome andwell-deserved.
I mean, you know he was workingall day with his own personal
athletes, with TOPS athletes,with AU athletes.
So I mean I thought that wasvery, very deserving
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Congratulations to you.
I'm very happy for you.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
I'm proud of you, congratulations.
I have moved my guitar, my goldguitar, above my head in honor
of you.
So you are now occupying thetop space in my mind.
So that beautiful PRS gold topis for you, that's for you.
So if you had done less, youwould have got the one down in
the corner that's painted insome pseudo Japanese, chinese
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dragon year of the dragon theme.
So you'll know if you mess up,because I'll put that one up
over my head, but it is next tomy silver base and my bronze,
fretless, just in case.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
Every time I see you, I think of Wayne's World.
Wayne's World.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
Hell of a good place.
Oh, I was in love with TiaCarrera.
I was in love with her.
Tj, I was in love with TiaCarrera.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
I was in love with her.
Yes, I'm going to say TJ, I'mnot going to Reno.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
I chose not to go to Reno because, number one, I
don't like Reno and number two,I just don't want to be around
some of these guys.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Are you allowed to go back to Reno after that
incident?
I'm joking, I'm joking.
Look, you thought I found outright.
I'm joking, I'm joking.
Speaker 4 (16:06):
Look, you were like you thought I found out right.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
No no because I thought I yelled at something I
thought I yelled.
I thought I was talking aboutfrom the tournament.
I'm like I've had a couple ofdifferent little spats with
people.
But no, no, no, honestly, I'mnot a big fan of Reno and, quite
honestly, I mean didn't feellike going there and spending my
money on certain people, so Idecided not to go.
I do have some kids that aregoing to be going again, and my
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wife is fortunate enough to go,but I know you're heading out
there, tj, with expectations andstuff.
What are you thinking?
Speaker 4 (16:37):
I'm not sure.
I mean, like I said, I knowthat I was looking at some of
the stats and who was signed upfor the event.
We'll see who actually ends upbeing there when they fight.
I mean, I think you'll have acouple more, some of the fewer,
higher, other higher levelathletes from the USA there, so
there'll be a the addition ofthose.
I think you lost some fromCanada and I was speaking to a
lot of my coaches out there.
A lot of them aren't coming tothe U S open.
Some of them are, but we seewhat the divisions look like
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once they put them out.
I'm excited.
Is it the US Open?
The US Open, yeah, the.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
US.
Speaker 4 (17:11):
Open is in Reno, I mean I know the Uzbekistan goes.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
No, no, go ahead.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
I was watching you try to say Uzbekistan.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Uzbekistan.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
Uzbekistan.
I was having a struggle.
Oh, even better, uzbekistan isgoing to be coming.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
That's a true Kazakhstani pronunciation of it
Uzbekistan.
It's correct.
Most people say Uzbekistan andit's not Uzbekistan.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
Uzbekistan is good Uzbekistan yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
But they're coming.
I mean, they're supposed to becoming.
I know Argentina is there.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
Yeah, but they're coming.
I mean, they're supposed to becoming.
I know Argentina is there,mexico is there.
Of course, like you said, someof the top athletes from the
United States will be thereagain.
So I mean it could be a goodmix, and of course, there's just
a bunch of other Americans aswell.
The divisions look a little bitlarger.
I'm not quite sure about theoverall quality.
I mean, I think the upperechelon will be pretty well
represented, but the other onesare some, you know, maybe some
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lower level guys.
They're just trying to take ashot, and which is awesome,
which is exactly what theyshould do.
I think the cadet juniordivisions same thing are a
little bit bigger as well.
So people have, you know, alittle bit longer of a day.
So I'm uh, I'll be watching,I'll watch on tv, so I'll see
how you guys all do it.
I uh, I'm curious to see, um,how match up again, it should be
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interesting.
Speaker 4 (18:26):
Do you know how to say hello in Uzbekistan?
Speaker 2 (18:28):
Do you guys know how to say hello in Uzbekistan
language?
Do you want to know how?
Hold on.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
Hello, that's how you say hello.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
I was like, oh, you say salam.
But yeah, I was like, oh,that's how you say hello.
I was going to try to say helloto you in Uzbekistan-ish ease,
because I've actually been toUzbekistan a few times.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
Yeah, I think for the brackets, though I think right
now because all the rankingpoints are still a little low
and everybody's kind of notsettled yet.
So it makes for a couple ofgood matches here there, like
early in the day or at times.
They normally wouldn't happen,you know.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
So and it'll be good.
Everyone's just there well,let's go, you know there's
something else I, I think we Iwant to talk about, and I, you
know me, I always like to bringup the topics that people
hesitate to talk about, um well,I got something you know, you
do it.
I don't want I don't know.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
no, this is probably the same it's probably the same
topic, because I think it'simportant and crucial, and it
dovetails into many of thethings that Warehouse 15 is
known for, besides its coolapparel so I mean, listen, I'm
gonna start it because there's,there's, there's a couple of
different versions of you know,I want to talk about and and I'm
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gonna say this again,disclaimer, this is not, this is
not personal, because I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna talk
about a couple people today thatI actually happen to like as
people.
Like when I say I like them aspeople, nothing but respectful
to me, nothing but polite to me,I don't have anything bad to
say about them as a person atall, like zero.
I will question why they're incertain positions and I'm going
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to start right now because it'sa hot topic in the United States
.
There was a staff named andright now it's just for the
cadet and junior national team,along with team trainers and
along with staff, and I'm notgoing to say anything about the
coaches.
At one moment they say meritand then some people have people
on the team, some people don't,but I like the staff, I think
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they're fine.
My problem is with twodifferent positions, one
trainers and one leaders, andI'm going to put it out there.
I just saw a name on the staffas a trainer and, if I'm not
mistaken, I could be 100% wrongand maybe, tj, you can correct
me or somebody can put in thecomments, but from what I know,
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this person is a trainer andhasn't been around for about
four or five years, if I'm notmistaken, since the 2020 Olympic
qualification event and thisguy is now on the staff as a
trainer.
And so my question is how doesthis guy get on the staff one
and you two?
Are you telling me there's noother coach that's been to
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nationals and trials andinternational events over and
over and over over the last fouryears that wasn't capable to
fill that role?
It drives me absolutely nuts,because I like this guy.
When I tell you I like this guy, I like this guy a lot, but how
he was positioned there isunfathomable for me, which takes
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me to my other position.
So in each group, you have threecoaches and two trainers.
That's five staff people, threecoaches on the cadet team and
two trainers, and then you havea USAT administration person and
another person.
So you got management, you gotcoaches, you got trainers, and
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then you have a person that'sbeen named to a title that I've
never even heard of the teamlead for the team lead yeah, the
team lead for juniors and cadet.
Meanwhile, the person doesn'treally even have athletes in
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that category, but even more tothe more to the point, like what
is their role?
What is their function?
What is this person inparticular Again, nice person to
me, a super nice person.
I have nothing bad to say abouther but are you telling me that
this person has the expertiseto be the leader and the
overseer of all this, abovethese coaches that have been
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there doing it are there, youknow, contributing year after
year after year, and this personjust gets elevated up there.
I don't understand it.
I don't understand it and Idon't even know what it is.
Again, I don't know what it is,but the two people that I'm
referring to, it's just, it'sunbelievable.
How does this, how does how dowe segue into this?
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How does this go?
I mean cause, one minute,they're saying merit.
One minute they're saying who'sworking with organizations.
One word, they're saying aslong as you're not detrimental
to, I don't even know, but thesetwo people individually, I
don't know how they get there.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
So let me, let me let me help you guys with at least
a historical perspective of howteam leadership used to work or
should work, or how the OlympicCommittee used to work, and it
may have changed so historically.
You have mission-criticalpeople, and those are the people
that do the training for theathletes and, depending on the
budget, you have coaches,assistant coaches and trainers,
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people that actually hold thetargets, or training partners.
So we understand that and thatreally, I don't think has
changed much, nor should itchange.
Above that level, you have headof team or team leaders, or
whatever the terminology may be,and theirs is not supposed to
be a position based on technicalknowledge, but it should be a
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position based on organizationalknowledge, and they're
literally water carriers.
They're the guys that go out,get the fruit and the vegetables
and the sports drinks, and ifsomebody needs something
specific, they do that so thatthe coaches can focus on
coaching and the athletes canfocus on winning.
But you've got to remember thepolluted and nepotistic
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atmosphere that the athletes andthe coaches find themselves in
now.
Athletes are cajoled orthreatened to have to go train
in I don't know some backwoodarea of Kentucky or somewhere,
and if they don't, then theydon't have a chance of making
the team or they don't getcoached, or if they do show up
and they're not going, theydon't get coached.
So that's level one.
Level two is the organizationhas decided to maintain the
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people in power by removinganybody else that has knowledge
or ability or is merit-based.
So they've taken second, thirdand fourth tier people.
They've eliminated first andsecond tier people that have
history.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
That's where they're going.
That's where they're going.
Yeah, that's where they'regoing.
They've eliminated first andsecond tier.
That's what they've done.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
So they've gotten anybody that actually had
success and could threaten theirjobs.
Because, let's be clear, ifthey were to put a first or
second tier person in anyposition in USAT, there would be
two things that would happenimmediately.
Number one Steve McNally wouldbe fired.
Number two, jay Warwick wouldbe fired as well because he's
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taking a paycheck, because hehasn't found a paycheck or a
plane ticket he doesn't love.
Number three, high performancedirector would probably be gone,
as would Sherman Nelson,whatever his position is,
because he's not value-added.
Because in a mission-criticalsport organization, value-added
means what you do is crucial andadds to either revenue or to
winning.
And I can't say that SteveMcNally, who hasn't done
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anything other than be amarketer, pr director of
nonsense.
Jay Warwick didn't win when hecompeted and didn't win when he
was executive director, and Icould say the same about pretty
much everybody else in thatthird and fourth what I call
third and fourth tiers.
So now, when you empower thirdand fourth tier people, they're
extremely happy.
And do you know why?
Because, much like a weed underthe concrete, they haven't seen
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sunlight.
And when you break the concreteand you allow them to see
sunlight, they're so glad thatthey're getting water and
they're getting sunlight, thatthey're willing to carry the
water and say yes, sir, yes, sir, yes, sir, yes, sir.
And so it doesn't matteranymore.
And the results aren't there.
So that's what's happening Now.
I'm not surprised by it, becauseif you look at any good
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plutocracy, any good oligarchy,any good monarchy, any good
thing like that, the first thingthey do is kill the smart ones
Cuba by way of example.
When Cuba decided it was goingto be communist, the very first
thing is they exited everyonethat could threaten that.
So all the people that hadmoney got to leave, and in fact,
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they welcomed them to leave.
Leave your money and leave.
And they got to leave and theygot rid of anyone that could
cause them any problems and, asa result, cuba still continues
to exist.
When you leave the people thatcan cause you trouble in power,
they will come back to kill you,and this happened in USA
Taekwondo before.
So they learned the lessons ofwhat happened to the guys like
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Sang Lee and their predecessorswhen you had people in the room
that were first here some of uswho are on the phone now.
We got rid of everybody thatwas doing bad things.
We killed them, we got rid ofthem.
So this group has learned alesson because, quite frankly,
jay Warwick got killed by themand then he got back and now
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he's got the ultimate revenge.
He's the only guy in the roomthat was originally a first year
person, so he's smart enoughnow not to have a single
colleague or compatriot orcontemporary in the room with
him, because then he knows whatwill happen he will be out of
the room.
Steve McNally, I don'tunderstand how they rehired them
.
The very first thing I would dois take the board on a trip, a
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one-way ticket, fly them back totheir country of origin,
wherever that is, and leave themthere and let them get home,
however they would, becausethey've done nothing for the
organization except todisempower it.
All right, anyway, I'll get alot of comments on that later.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
Let's.
I mean TJ, I want to.
I mean, if you don't haveanything to say about that
little staff thing that Imentioned, I mean that's fine.
If you do, you can go ahead.
But I mean, if not, I'm goingto get.
I want to get to something thatyou posted yesterday and I want
to ask you a couple ofquestions about that.
But you, I mean, do you want tosay anything about that or
comment on what I talked about?
No, you're right.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
Right, I talked about no, you're right on, right on.
So I think I put it in my post.
They do what they want, howthey want, when they want.
If they want to make a position, they make a position.
If they don't want it to exist,no more.
There's no more space.
There's this reason.
It's because of this, it'sbecause of this, it's because of
this.
I just, I just want everyone toremember, like even some of the
people that are on, how theyacted when you guys were on the
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team, how they treated you whenyou were on the team.
So remember that and takingthose positions, and at least
make sure, if you're on theinside, you're fixing it,
because remember what they didand how they put you to the side
.
That's it.
You can go ahead.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
So let me, if I want to talk, I'm going to go on your
.
When I read your thing, it wasobviously lengthy.
I mean it appears it was prettythought out.
It seemed like it came fromsome emotion.
But experience and I thinkthat's the best way I can put it
I mean you were frustrated,let's use that word.
(29:35):
But it all comes fromexperience and I read it like a
couple of times because I wantedto see if I could poke holes in
it.
And when I started reading it,I mean, obviously you've told me
things that pertain to me, myrelationship with you and how
it's affected you, but it wasnever for me to talk publicly
about that because that was foryou.
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But now that you opened up thatcan of worms, I'm going to talk
about first things.
First, people think about thisIf our leadership, if your
leadership, has told anothercoach that because he's who he's
associated with, he is notgoing to be considered, no
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matter what he does, no matterwhat merit he has, it's only
because you have a friendship ora relationship with another
group or person.
Like, what does that say?
Like, how does that say we wantthe best for our organization?
Now, tj, if you were nobody.
You have no results, you haveno performances.
Okay, you know you're askingfor a favor, but if people in
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the organization said, hey, whoyou hang out with, they don't
like that person.
And so, because they don't likethat person and you like that
person, now you can't be part ofthe club, you can't be part of
the team, what are we saying?
You know what's crazy.
Speaker 4 (31:01):
It's like a rotating joke.
It's like everyone in the roomknows this.
Everyone in the room knows this.
They know this, they understandthis.
It's spoken about, it'swhispered about, it's rumored
about.
They know this for 100% fact.
It's not a secret.
Nobody thinks it's a secret.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
No, and I'll apologize because, honestly, I
don't know why they don't likeme.
I don't know if it's jealousy,I don't know if it's, I don't
know.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
They don't like you because you like me.
You're right, probably Herb, no,no, let's get clear If you're
friends with me, and I'm okaywith that, because I don't like
clowns, I don't like ass clowns.
So you know this all startswith the fear of people right,
imposter, failure, impostersyndrome.
When you yourself don't believethat you are good enough, it
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affects your performance and thevery first thing you do is you
do a Tanya Harding on people.
You get out the bat and you hitpeople in the knees out the
building.
And this is the USA cultureright now.
In Taekwondo, steve McNallyknows he's not a CEO.
He knows that more than heknows who he is.
Every time he gets threatened,the next phone call he makes is
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threatening.
I can't tell you the times hesent me threatening texts.
I'm like knock yourself out, goahead, jay Warwick.
Every time he feels threatened,you get a phone call.
Aren't we still friends?
Don't people say you're notsaying nice things about me?
No, I'm not saying nice thingsabout you.
This is a you know.
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I just got off a podcast with adear friend of mine, Sifu
Harinda Singh, and he said youknow, one of the things I like
about you is you're authenticand you're you unapologetically.
You, yeah, I am, and that'swhat we should all be.
So, with regard to these guys,coach both of you.
They don't you gotta feelhonored.
Feel honored?
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No, no, we're going to get amug, and the mug is going to say
I too have been ostracized bythe the the ass clown show.
And so, with that said, yeah,they don't want their best and
brightest and they hope the restwill make it through.
Because, to be honest, over thepast five to 10 years, the
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decisions that have been made bythis particular leadership
group the very first thing Iwould do is undo all of them and
get the petition together.
I'll come in and lead USATaekwondo for one year and I'll
fix it in a year, and everybodycan kill me on the way out, but
the reality is that theorganization is going the wrong
direction.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
But you know what the herb difference is.
Okay, you've, you've, you'vebeen outspoken about it in
social media and whatever.
Like me, I don't even talk.
I mean, since we started thispodcast, I've talked about some
trials and situations, butreally I have no stick in the
fire, which is crazy.
So that means I haven't been inan organization for five years
Five years minimum, I think it'slonger, but let's say five
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years.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
Juan, coach, coach, coach.
Think about this for a minute.
You ever watch Game of Thrones?
Yeah, all right.
When you kill somebody, youdon't just kill them, you kill
them, you kill their family, youkill their children, you kill
their children's children, youkill anybody that know them,
because then they can never comeback.
Virtue of what's happening withtj is they're saying to tj, you
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know him, you'll probably stillbe with him.
So if we give you something,you won't suck off the
proverbial global teat of SteveMcNally and Jay Warwick.
You will revert and becomeJuan's biggest fan and biggest
friend.
Speaker 3 (34:53):
Listen, the reason I'm talking about it TJ opened
up the can.
And the reason I'm talkingabout it today is because, tj,
you said it.
Everybody knows.
You know how many people I gotcalls of people who just got put
on staffs and they called me tothank me for my support from
when they first started and nowthey're getting there.
They thanked me and they saidyou know what I'll still, I'm
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always going to be respectful,blah, blah, blah blah.
And I'm thinking to myself.
But that these peoplethroughout the years yeah, you
know they don't mess with you,juan, you know they don't like
peak Juan, you know they're notgoing to let you they said I'm
like okay, okay, okay, okay,okay, okay.
But like what is that again?
Five years?
I'm not, I'm not even.
I haven't even been to a USATech Wando event.
I went to the team trials andpeople are like what are you
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doing here?
I and I left the next day,that's it.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
Literally, you don't have a lifetime membership.
Speaker 3 (35:41):
I don't have a lifetime membership.
I got one of those To hear thattwo staff members are telling TJ
not to be friends with Juan,not to think, to be so petty
like you might watch a trainingand then go tell Juan and Juan
will tell the Brazilians.
Yo, no to you fools.
We've beaten you guys beforeand I didn't need anything, so
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stop that.
I mean it's just a match.
I mean you guys are ridiculous.
It's so petty that people needto know, and people need to know
that we know People need toknow that we are going to try to
get rid of this stuff.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
Can I tell you a story that was related to me and
I won't tell you One more thing.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
One more thing it's even worse when people try to
act like they're your friends,when people try to act like they
got your best interest, whenpeople that you've known for
years say, yeah, it's not right,but yet they go in that circle
and do the exact same thing foryear after year after year, and
so it's too much.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
Here's the.
Speaker 4 (36:44):
Sorry you year after year and so.
So here's too much, here's the,here's the sorry, here 's
you're good, you're, and you're,you're good and it's not wrong.
That's the biggest part.
That's the biggest part whenthe upper echelon of people you
know for a long time can sitthere and tell you that they
know it's not right.
They can tell you that you'rebeing shit on.
They're literally saying it toyour face and they're in the mix
, and then they're shitting onyou too.
What is the what is the what?
What?
What's the deal Like?
I don't understand.
You can't tell me that this iswrong and this is wrong and this
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is wrong, but you do it againand again and again.
It's like then, then what arewe doing?
Just because, just just be,like you said, just because of
who I'm associated with, becauseI'm a, I'm a, I'm sometimes,
I'm going to be somewhere, I'mgoing to see something, and it's
going to change the wholeoutcome of the tournament.
I don't know if that's like asuperpower of mine, but it's the
most absurd thing I've everheard in my entire life.
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And, like you said, if that'swhat you fear, you have bigger
problems.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
And the funny thing is, I mean TJ is like you know,
this is not, this is not myopinion right now.
This is not my opinion.
These are facts, these weresaid, these are being said and
so you know, these guys gottaown up for that, like I.
I mean in a strange way, that'ssome kind of like I don't know
what the term is.
I mean like like if you're, if,if our organization is out.
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I keep saying our if you're, ifthat organization is out,
because it is our, becausethat's what?
Speaker 4 (37:59):
because you can't like the, the it's.
It's the fact of how it is itmatters.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
It's hard not to say it yeah, it's hard because I
mean yeah, but if, if, whetherit's me and my peak people or
john smith, if our group says weneed to keep that group out,
for whatever reason that is, youguys state that you say, oh
someone, that's detrimental tothe organization.
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You're detrimental to theorganization because you're not
looking for the best people,you're looking to keep people
away for whatever reason.
And I keep going back to thisfive-year thing.
I haven't, since these guyshave come into administration, I
haven't been part of it.
Literally, I haven't been apart of it.
Literally I haven't been a partof it.
Yet they'll still say thingslike that to you, tj, and to
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others.
Speaker 4 (38:45):
Like it or not, and they sell it to everyone around
them.
I've been at competitions andI've been intense moments
coaching my guys in betweenrounds and I think it was oh, I
need you to hit that shit harderTalking about the chess card to
my guy, and I think it was oh,I need you to hit that shit
harder.
Talking about the chess card tomy guy, I had the referees come
up to me afterwards and tell meA you can't talk like that.
The referees wanted to give youa yellow card At a USAT event.
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They said that to me About metalking to my athlete who's in
the military in between rounds.
Fast forward to nationals.
They let a coach call a child abitch, a bitch Twice.
They let him call him a B-wordand did nothing about it.
The referees didn't do anythingabout it.
The organization didn't doanything about it.
They stood there.
He stood there and yelled atthe parent in the stands yelling
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at the grown-ass man talkingcrap to his child.
It told him to sit down.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
So that same coach.
Right, let me relate a story.
I won't tell you where I gotthe story from, but I can tell
you I got it from the source.
A particular athlete femaleathlete won the ultimate goal on
the way out to the award medalceremony.
The coach I won't mention hisname, gareth brown.
Um, did I mention his name?
(39:58):
Sorry?
Sorry, mr Brown.
Appropriate name, appropriatecolor says to the athlete, grabs
her and says you remember this?
You would be nothing without me.
This is not your medal, this ismine.
You'd be nothing without me.
So if that's pervasive in theway the coach is talking to an
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athlete, why does the b wordsurprise you?
Why does any of this surpriseyou?
And it shouldn't surprise youbecause this is unfettered power
.
Unfettered power.
There's nobody watching theshop.
There's nobody they respectwatching the shop.
And the guy who should be inthe room teaching the legacy, mr
I am.
(40:40):
Oh, let me teach you how to beon the US team.
That was Jay Warwick's coachingwhen he was captain.
The very guy who should beteaching the ethics and the
morals.
When I call him up and I send anote to him about this same
coach, giving the middle fingerand putting it on Facebook,
nothing, crickets.
He's like well, you know, know,we don't feel, you don't feel.
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What could you imagine, duringthe days when we were fighting,
if we had done that, what wouldhave happened to us?
So the guy who's supposed to bethe taekwondo guy in the room,
the ethics, the moral keeper,where is he like?
he's drinking wine even worse nohe's drinking wine on montana
in a river and he's going toonly when he has to and he he's
taking the free plane ticketsand the free trips.
(41:20):
So you can go hang out withJungkook Young and the guy that
beat him all the time and laughabout the past and his past
failures.
But anyway.
Speaker 3 (41:32):
I think the point of it is like these things happen
and there's no repercussions,but yet you're going to have a
microscope on someone likeyourself, tj, because you might
see something in a practice.
But you said I don't know theathlete you're talking about,
herb that said that.
He said that too, but these aretwo different coaches, first of
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all.
But again, I never spoke aboutthis publicly because it wasn't
my.
Again, when it's a cultureculture, yes, you're right, and
I never.
I never mentioned, I neverspoke about this publicly
because it wasn't myconversation.
This was me and tj'sconversation privately.
He put it in public.
That's what I'm talking aboutnow, just like I've had
different calls from familymembers and said I want to say
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something but I can't because wehave an agreements and this,
and that I'm like it's sad thatgrown parents feel afraid to say
something but I can't becausewe have an agreement and this,
and that I'm like it's sad thatgrown parents feel afraid to say
something, too afraid to speakup on behalf of their kids or
whatever else, because ofretribution.
They feel like they have to goto certain places to train.
If not, they will never get thechance to get to the Olympics.
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That's the culture that is hereright now.
That's not even my Juan Morenoculture, the peak performance
culture that I feel.
That's the parents telling us.
That's the parents takingexodus to go move their families
and train other places, becauseif not, if not, they don't have
a choice.
Speaker 4 (42:57):
They don't have a choice.
Everyone knows it.
It's not a secret.
Everybody knows it.
It's not a secret.
Everybody knows it.
You all talk about it, we alltalk about it, we know it and
we've accepted it.
And it's going to keephappening over and, over and
over again.
There's way too much talent totell me that this is the only
way.
It's impossible.
It's never been like that.
It's impossible.
(43:18):
It, it's impossible.
It's never been like that.
It's impossible.
It doesn't work like that.
It shouldn't be like that.
I don't know what agreement orwhatever, that you can't speak
out or say what you feel.
If that's not, I don't knowwhat you call that.
But if that's not bullying orwhatever words you guys like to
use, I don't know what is?
Speaker 3 (43:37):
Listen, that's blackmail.
That's not you know.
I keep hearing this wordculture.
We're trying to build a culture.
You're doing just the opposite.
You're telling people theycan't talk.
You're eliminating people thatwant to help and want to be
successful, people that have putin time, and you're just
getting in all these.
I'm all for new blood, don'tmistake it.
(43:58):
People are doing well.
There's a junior coach Again, Idon't want to mention people's
names on here that I think isdoing really well.
Put a couple of kids onnational team and guess what?
He's there.
Hey man, good for you, I'mhappy I see them when he used to
come to my seminars.
His program is growing up.
He's producing good cadet andjunior level athletes.
Good for you.
So I'm all for that new blood.
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But don't tell me you're goingto put these positions of guys
or put people in a position thathaven't been around the
organization for five years.
Don't tell me you're going tobuild a new literally a new role
that is not going to doanything, to take resources and
money.
When we can't pay for cadetsand juniors to do things, we
don't have money for othersenior national teammates.
(44:40):
Well, we don't have thingsorganized.
It's it's.
It's just sad.
I mean people need to talkabout that.
And I know people say we'retrying, we're trying, we're
trying.
You know, I know they had thistown meeting and they're they're
going back to a regionalcenters and stuff.
God bless them.
This is the third time.
And I will say, you know theywere like listen is the third
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time.
And I will say, you know theywere like listen.
I know we've tried it beforebut we gotta keep trying.
Hope you guys have a bettermousetrap because, for whatever
reason, you know, the two guysthat see we're on that call
never had a program, neverdeveloped athletes from the.
You know, from the beginning,uh, one was part of a program, I
can say that.
But and and now you guys havecome up with a plan, I don't
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know.
I mean, it doesn't, doesn'tseem to make a lot of sense,
doesn't seem to make a lot ofsense.
But anyway, tj, look, I'mmeanwhile, meanwhile I get the
call.
Speaker 4 (45:29):
I get the call and I'm told I have one of the
highest tech window iqs in ourcountry but I'm being not
utilized.
Again, I'm being, I'm, I'mbeing, I'm being told how good I
, but I can't work with you guysby the people that are there
right now and it's not going tochange unless X, y and Z happens
.
Like it doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 3 (45:48):
It doesn't make any sense.
Tj, do it right now.
Denounce your friendship withme.
We are no longer friends.
Speaker 4 (45:54):
We are no longer friends.
I do not like the colors blueand yellow.
I am TJ.
Speaker 2 (45:59):
Did that word phone ring.
Does the phone ring?
I accept Did it work, wait no.
Speaker 4 (46:06):
No, I can't do it no no, I won't do it no.
No phone calls.
Give it to TJ.
No phone calls from me.
Speaker 2 (46:14):
All right, gentlemen.
Well, I think we've hit thattopic now.
If you want to um a couple ofthings, let's get started to go
fund me, so I'll make thiscommitment to everyone.
If you want me to help USATaekwondo, I will do it free for
one year.
I won't take a salary.
No plane tickets, nothing.
I will fix it.
I will get rid of all theclowns.
(46:37):
I will fix it.
The go fund me will rid of allthe clowns.
I will fix it.
The GoFundMe will be to getplane tickets for them to go
back to whence they came.
Let's send Steve McNally backto.
I thought it was Australia, butsomebody told me it's Great
Britain.
I'm sure they'd welcome himback.
I'm sure there's a job waitingfor him.
Come on, man, they love America, america.
(46:57):
Well, they got to listen.
We used to be the guy that didthe OxyClean, so they probably
need another OxyClean spokesman,and that's what he is and
that's what the GoFundMe will be.
So start the petition, startthe GoFundMe and I will do it
for a year, fix it and then Ipromise at the end of the year
I'll leave and put somebodybetter in.
(47:18):
Second, fire the board ofdirectors.
I will find a way to replaceeverybody on the board of
directors, because they areresponsible for this.
And then, thirdly, we'll makeit a meritocracy again and I
think it would be good and Ithink we could fix it.
But that's my challenge toeverybody Now.
If you're willing to do that,the guy who starts or the girl
who starts to go, fund me.
(47:38):
I got some warehouse 15 swagfor you, so just let me know
your size and we'll send it offfour different people.
Speaker 3 (47:46):
It's not a lot, but four different people at
different things, like hey, whenare you gonna do the shirt
thing?
Speaker 2 (47:50):
or hey, tell them to send me the thing.
All I ask is we'll get themwhatever a hoodie, t-shirt,
whatever they want hat.
They got to do a social mediapost on it and it's got got to
say sorry, but sorry, not sorry,that's it.
That's all I asked for.
Nobody needs to say anythingelse Sorry, not sorry, that's it
.
On the other side of it, thoughClosing thoughts from my two my
(48:13):
well, my new.
We're going to raise him now.
He's going to change his nameto best coach, not bronze TJ, tj
.
Closing thoughts.
No, I mean, I think we talkedalways a place for you in Canada
, apparently go ahead.
Speaker 4 (48:27):
It's a woman, he's good.
Yeah, I'm chilling.
No, I just just again, like you, I think coach will hit it
right on the head.
I don't want this to bepersonal.
I've talked to, I talked to alot of people.
I'm nice to a lot of people.
We I have a lot of a lot ofthese people are my friends and
people that, like I'd say, Iwork with very well.
This is just.
This is just what the case is.
I don't want to hear, of course, like the thing is you're a
(48:55):
hater, you're this.
I don't know about nobody else,I don't involve anything else.
This is my experience and whatI've had to deal with.
That's it.
And, like I said again, thankyou guys for everyone who
reached out and said the nicethings and in support of me.
I appreciate you always andI'll see you guys soon.
Speaker 3 (49:10):
Coach Moreno, yeah, I mean, I'll echo that Again, I
said it earlier these people, Imean I like them as people.
They haven't done me wrong atall.
I just question the why.
But I'm going to say something,tj, I'm going to challenge all
those people, because I've seen,for example, I've seen you put
(49:32):
some posts up, tj, and it's likelike, like, like, like, like,
like All those people that Iknow you're out there watching
on social media.
You didn't comment one and Iknow that the names of the
people, nothing, nothing.
Oh, we're with you, tj.
Oh, we understand TJ.
We hope it gets better.
Tj, nothing.
Shame on you guys.
Shame on you guys for justbeing quiet.
Shame on you guys for notfeeling brave enough to speak
(49:58):
your mind as adults, as coaches,as supporters, because you guys
know what's right and you knowwhat's wrong, and for me it's
just, it's not correct.
You don't have to be as brashas I'm being today.
You don't have to be as mean asbeing Juan is being mean.
I know how to be a professional.
I've been a professional for 30, 40 years in this game and I
(50:19):
have a lot more friends thanenemies.
But it how to be a professional.
I've been a professional for 30, 40 years in this game and I
have a lot more friends thanenemies.
But it needs to be said and Iwish people that talk all this
stuff behind closed doors wouldbe adults enough to do the right
thing and support when you saystuff like this, tj.
So kudos to you, brother, I'mproud of you and we keep moving
(50:41):
forward Well the warehouse.
Speaker 2 (50:42):
You know, one of the things I'll say is I've spent a
long time trying to fix thingsin your organization and usually
what happens is everybody callsyou and they want you to step
up and they say they'll be therewhen you turn around.
You're alone and that's okay.
I've been in that room too manytimes.
So I hope that some of themstep up for you, brother, like
we are stepping up for you, andI hope that we can find a way
(51:04):
for the great, inimitable,unrefutably worst CEO in the
history of mankind and his COOco-partner to go back.
Jay can go back and fish flyfish in Montana and Steve
McNally can go back to sellingOxiClean wherever that is that
(51:25):
he's from.
But in the words of theWarehouse 15, it's been real,
real nice.
And again, if we offended you,sorry, not sorry, we're out,
peace.
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