November 4, 2024 • 41 mins
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Yoga teacher and meditation facilitator Caroline Sherratt, joins us on Mind Your Heart Podcast to explore the intersection of mindfulness, connection, and self-awareness. Caroline’s trauma-informed approach offers unique insights into embodied practices and nervous system regulation, creating a space where listeners can learn to soften the barriers around their hearts. Emily shares a heartfelt story about meeting Caroline at a Bali retreat, where she discovered the transformative power of feeling safe and connected. Together, we discuss the significance of crafting environments that allow for emotional release and community building.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hey, welcome to Mind your Heart Podcast, your
favorite corner of the internetwhere we chat about all things
mental health.
I'm Emily.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
And I'm Trina.
Together, we're like yourreal-life Lorelai and Rory
Gilmore.
Each week, we'll bring you realconversations about the world
of mental health and we willpeel back layers on topics like
anxiety, depression and muchmore.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
We're here to chat with you about the tough stuff,
the everyday stuff andeverything in between.
So grab your emotional supportwater bottle I know we have ours
.
Find your comfiest chair orkeep your eyes on the road and
let's get into it.
Are you ready, mom?
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Absolutely.
Join us as we mind our heartsand hopefully make minding yours
a little easier.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Hi, welcome back.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Welcome back.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Welcome to Mind your Heart.
We're in a little bit differentof a setting today because we
are having guests.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Yay, and you know what?
I'm going to have to pay you $5because I just realized that
this is recorded and you knowI'm so used to doing my podcast.
I have two other podcasts Well,they're over right now but I've
done two other podcasts andI've always.
I've never done like live.
(01:18):
I mean, I've never I've donelive.
I've never done like video.
I've never used the video untillike the last year of one of
them and I was like I'm going tostart using this on social, but
I never.
I didn't record it.
So I was like, oh yeah, I don'thave to worry about getting
dressed today.
What was I thinking?
Speaker 1 (01:36):
You look good, so I don't think that there's
anything wrong.
I mean, like I currently am I Iknow I'm I am on day 28, 29 of
my cycle, so like I haven'tbreaking out a little bit more.
I also had gluten.
Oh so much gluten and dairy.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Yeah, so much.
I woke up.
I was a grouchy Gus and I'mlike I am a grouchy Gus.
That's what my friend fromCanada says.
Yeah, she says she's a grouchyGus and I'm like I am a grouchy
Gus.
That's what my friend fromCanada says.
Yeah, she says she's a grouchyGus and I'm like I like that.
So I'm a grouchy Gus todaybecause of the gluten and the
dairy.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
I was a gassy Gus last night because of the gluten
.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Gross.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Or what is it?
Gassy, gus, gross, anyway,alliteration.
So today we're yeah, we'regonna be talking to a guest and
that's exciting.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
We are gonna have caroline.
I believe her last name ispronounced charot um.
I'm gonna ask her when she comeson, so that we can see if she
needs to correct me, but I'm soexcited to have Caroline.
Caroline and I met for thefirst time when I went to a
retreat that she co-hostedcalled she's Connected, in Bali,
(02:56):
indonesia.
That was in March.
So Caroline is a yoga teacherand a meditation facilitator
with a trauma-informed lens tosupport the holding of any body.
She combines embodiedbodily-based practices with
mindfulness and nervous systemregulation.
Her biggest wish is to createsafe spaces where people are
(03:20):
aided in softening the wallsthat we place upon our hearts,
allowing ourselves to feel anessential part of being a human.
Human to human co-regulation isa pivotal part of a return home
to ourselves, so she adorescreating classes, containers,
events and retreats in whichcommunity and connection is
fostered.
(03:40):
So I think this is going to begreat.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Oh, I think that sounds so cool.
I love all of that, especiallylike the whole connection with
people and just being reallyaware of your own body and
yourself.
And yeah, I just really thinkthat's cool.
I'm excited.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Yeah, I had just gotten off my crazy travel day
in Bali where I like lost myluggage and I had been traveling
for like 36 hours and I wasjust like exhausted and I had
never met any of these women inperson before.
And I walked into the retreatand like I'm pretty sure, like
(04:21):
within like the first hour ofmeeting Caroline, like she just
like held me while I cried.
And it was just like I had neverfelt like so safe and
comfortable with someone I hadjust met ever.
So, yeah, I'm I'm so gratefulthat she is coming on today.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
That's really cool.
That's um, that's you know,sometimes you meet those people.
I was just telling this tosomeone oh yeah, someone that um
, that we're doing DigitalCourse Academy together and I
was just telling her, likesometimes you meet people and
you just instantly it's likeyour soul has found your soul
partner, like you have foundyour person.
(04:59):
I mean like you just it's likeyou know each other from some
other realm and you justinstantly connect.
I love when that happens.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Yeah, all right, so let's you want to get on with
the show.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Yep.
So welcome Caroline.
I'm so excited to have you onthe podcast.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
How are you doing?
Yes, good, just so grateful tobe here.
So, thank you, it feels reallyspecial.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Yeah, of course I'm so grateful that you agreed to
come on yeah it's exciting.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
So tell a little bit, like our listeners, a little
bit about who you are like, whatyou like, your bottoms up
(05:54):
approach, like I'm interested inthat.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Like just a little bit about who you are to start
with, okay, who I am such abroad question, yes, I should
have given you some.
I love it.
I love it.
If I was to you to use labels,um, it would be.
I teach yoga and meditation andI really do believe that these
are such pillars in my life.
They really do set thefoundation for how I show up in
the world.
And when you refer to thebottom-up approach, I really see
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these practices as a means ofworking with the body, which
essentially is what I mean by abottom-up approach.
And there can be this illusionthat meditation is all within
the mind.
I even think meditationstarting with M, and then mind
as well starting with M.
We just think it's shoulders up, but it really is working with
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the body.
But when I refer it back tomyself, I have found that within
my own personal experience, alot of the work has been with
uncovering, um, how to safelyfeel again.
So I think we just reallyswitched that off as coping
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mechanisms and a means to staysafe in this world, especially
growing up.
So a lot of my personalpractices has steered towards
the body and that's what I feelso passionate and sharing with
other people.
I feel like it's so needed.
We're just so used to living uphere and we need the mind to
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think and get to things on time,but we really don't practice
being in here, and so I feelreally, really passionate about
sharing that with the world.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Yeah, that's beautiful, that's absolutely
beautiful.
Not to mention that if you'renot really having that approach,
it kind of comes back to hauntyou in some way along the line
if you're not taking care ofyour body or not paying
attention to signs within yourbody like stress and even trauma
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and things like that, like wehold on to it.
I mean, I actually did a yogacertification myself and I went
through a teacher training.
It was a really unbelievableexperience and I realized that I
held like a lot of stuff in myhip flexors and like our junk
drawer.
My teacher used to say it waslike your junk drawer and I'm
like oh my hips hurt, yeah, andas I've gotten older, the more
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I'd like if I'm not in tune withmy body, the more like aches
and pains will come up and I andI'm like I there's things I'm
not dealing with Like I need todeal with these things and
dealing with them and thinkingabout them, and whether it's
with a mindset person orcounseling or something like
that, it is really helpful forme.
It's a really, it's reallybeneficial.
(08:40):
So I'm excited about this.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Yeah, I love that, that's awesome.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
I remember too, like when we were at the retreat, one
thing that like I didn't evenI'd never really thought about.
I mean, I guess like I mean youintroduced me to the nervous
system like regulation,understanding that.
But I remember one thing that Ihave like held with me since
the retreat that I like askedmyself all the time Like you
(09:06):
were like, so, like how do youfeel?
And then you were like OK, butlike how does that feel?
And then like how does thatfeel?
And like keep going until likeyou're like OK, where is this
like physically, emotionally?
And it's just like a reallyinteresting thing that I have
taken with me and I even usethat like with Jake, my
boyfriend.
(09:26):
I'm like OK, so how do you feel?
And he's like I'm tired.
I'm like OK, but how does thatfeel.
And so I just feel like I don'tknow.
Like everything that you teachregarding that is just it's like
on a deeper level than what wewould normally think about when
we're explaining how we feel orwhat we're thinking um, and I
(09:48):
would love if you could likekind of share like where, where
did you start thinking that thiswas your passion?
This is what you wanted toteach?
Like, how did you startlearning this?
Speaker 3 (10:02):
it's all through personal experience and trying
different things on and I would,you know, try with just talk
therapy, and it definitely has aplace and it is very helpful.
But there was always sort of amissing piece that I couldn't
(10:30):
quite wrap my head around orunderstand.
And since, being actuallyreally young, I have always been
really sensitive and I thoughtthat was a not so good thing.
And now I realize that it'sactually my superpower and I'm
really grateful that I have thisability to deeply feel.
But what comes with that is Ifeel it all.
(10:51):
So I'll feel that beautifulsense of joy and excitement and
love and gratitude, and thenalso that deep sense of pain and
grief and sadness.
And there's been a time whereI've actually blocked that out
and I've numbed it um, out of itfelt just too much to feel and
(11:13):
I didn't have the awareness, theunderstanding, um, healthier
coach mechanisms to really bewith it.
So I did just numb it, whetherit was drinking or even like
Netflix, you know, your phone,anything at all be lots of
numbing.
And so I guess, having actuallyhad experienced the not feeling,
(11:40):
I realized that, um, I want tolive a full life of being in
this human body and to be inthis human body, it is to deeply
feel, to feel it all.
And if we can't really feel thenot so nice stuff I say in
quotation marks we don't reallyhave this ability to feel all of
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the other beautiful joy,excitement, whatever it may be.
So it's been through my ownexperience, and then also the
communities that you're in andthe connections that you form
and the people that you do workwith and allowing them to
understand their body, feel safein their body, to feel again.
Um, I realize that it is so, soneeded and we are all different
(12:28):
, so we need differentmodalities, different
connections.
But one thing we do have incommon is that we all have
thoughts, we all have feelings,we all have sensations.
So let's learn to meet them andwork with them.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Yeah, I love that.
And one thing you said tooabout like feeling like as a
sensitive person.
I mean, like I can speak forboth my mom and I.
We are both very sensitivepeople.
And I think like that can belooked at like we're almost
taught like that's bad,especially like as women,
(13:06):
because it's like used as like aweapon in some ways, like oh
well, she's so sensitive becauseshe feels like this or that, so
I love that, like you're takingthat and just turning that
completely upside down and beinglike this is like a superpower
that you have, like this issomething that you you have as a
gift that you can take andbring out into the world, and
(13:27):
this is how you can use it, evenwhen it doesn't feel the
greatest sometimes.
So I just I love that.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
No, it's a beautiful way of looking at it.
And also one of the things thatyou mentioned as a numbing
thing that I never reallythought of until you said that
was was like Netflix.
Like I'm like, did she just sayNetflix?
I'm like, oh my gosh, I do that.
I'm like I'm doing that withNetflix.
Like I'm like, did she just sayNetflix?
I'm like, oh my gosh, I do that.
I'm like I'm doing that withNetflix.
And because I'm because I don'tdo some of those other things
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most of the time to numb, but Idefinitely use TV as a
distractor sometimes, and and Iguess that's when I need to kind
of ask myself what am I tryingto avoid?
Like I and one of the reasons Iactually did the yoga training
to start with it because it washot yoga was so to like learn to
be like comfortable anduncomfortable and, and so I
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wanted to to like figure out howto do that and how to open
myself up to it, and one of thethings even that you just
mentioned that just made methink of that like we were doing
well, I learned that I likedon't, like, I'm like constantly
trying to protect my heart andum, and so we did this pose and
they had their foot in my backand I remember like you were
(14:39):
just couldn't be any more openand I just started sobbing like
I just.
it was like such a release of ofemotion and it really is
unbelievable how much you you dostore in your own body and like
how you take all, all of thatalong with you.
So I'd like the idea ofthinking about really like
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feeling your feelings because Ialso know what you mean by like
I can.
I can remember specificallywhen I was a media specialist in
a school, like walking down thehall and being able to feel the
energy coming out of theclassrooms and feel like the
kids were in such a they werehaving such a hard time and I
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could just feel their pain andI'm like I felt like all of my
nerve endings were like goingcrazy because it was so much at
one time and I remember feelinglike, oh, my goodness, I can't
take all of this on.
It feels so heavy and so hard.
So I think that's interesting,how sometimes you really feel
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those things and other timesyou're numbing them somehow.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
Absolutely, yeah you know you're numbing them somehow
, Absolutely yeah.
And I find it interesting whenyou say you know there's a time
where you finally opened yourheart and that was beginning
with like a physical way and howthat connects emotionally and
energetically.
And my, oh my, we walk aroundday to day just putting walls
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and guards up over our hearts.
And it makes a lot of sense.
You know, we are just trying toprotect ourselves from many
different situations, people andthings, and it actually feels
kind of more familiar for us attimes just to keep it closed.
It feels safer that way.
But to open it, as you say, canalso be a beautiful, beautiful
(16:30):
thing yeah, I need to do it moreoften because, as I'm listening
, to you.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
I'm like okay, I did that, then this, that was like
eight years ago.
Um no, I feel like I've my, mynatural instinct has kind of
gone back to I'm gonna minimizemyself, I'm gonna um, protect,
I'm going to minimize myself.
I'm going to protect, I'm goingto protect, yeah.
So I think, yeah, I feel likethat's something I need to look
at.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
I've noticed that about myself actually recently,
like it's something that I I waslike you know, I feel I was
like looking at myself in themirror and I'm like trying to
get more comfortable just likewith like my body, just like
being a body, and I'm like youget more comfortable just like
with like my body, just likebeing a body, and I'm like you
know, like my posture is like alittle bit like this and.
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I'm like and I wasn't trying tolike look at myself and judge
myself and be like, oh well, youlook this or that.
It was more of just like I'mkind of slouching, like I am
short person, like, but I'm alsonot like super tall, but I'm
like why am I almost like havingmy shoulders go down and making
myself a little bit smaller?
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And it was like I realized that, like I the things that I have
struggled with with my ownconfidence, with the way that I
look, with the way that I feelI'm like I'm almost, with the
way that I look, with the waythat I feel I'm like I'm almost,
not almost I am putting myselfin a position to where I
literally am making myselfsmaller and like making myself
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put down physically every day.
And I I was talking to Jakeabout this and I was like I need
help because I'm like it'sgonna take some time for me to
like remember to like stand upstraight and, and I was like,
because it even feels weird, I'mlike I'm doing it right now.
How does I do?
I look like I'm just likesticking on my chest and he's
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like no, you look like normal.
And I was like okay, so if younotice that, like, I'm like like
shrinking myself, I want you tolike gently tell me that,
because, so, if you notice thatI'm shrinking myself, I want you
to gently tell me that BecauseI want to remember that I'm
allowed to take up space and I'mallowed to feel in that space
and to exist in that space, justhow I am.
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So that's just yeah.
I don't know.
It's something that I'venoticed recently and I've been
really trying to work on.
Even when I take Daisy my outfor a walk, I'm like I'm gonna
have a really good posturewalking out on the sidewalk and
like, if a car passes by, likethey're gonna think she's really
confident and she like knowswhat she's doing and it's.
It's made a mental differencewith that change too yeah, yeah,
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yeah I um, I think that's sointeresting.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
I I definitely feel like I'm doing that, and the
more I'm listening and thinkingabout this, I'm like I'm doing
this a lot.
I'm like avoiding connection atall.
Like, even when I go into thegrocery store, I'm like I got my
AirPods in.
I'm like don't talk to me.
I'm listening to a podcast.
I don't think I'm being rude, Idon't.
I'm not trying to be rude topeople, but it's like I'm
avoiding any kind of contact,which is strange to think about,
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like why or where that iscoming from.
I guess being hurt, feelinghurt, being scared of being hurt
again, I don't know.
I think that's an interestingprospect.
So I like the standing upstraight.
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I used to teach my students wewould do the superhero pose
before we take a test.
I'm like you know, all right,so we would stand and like we
would do it for a whole 60minutes.
Everyone would be, you know,standing and, and then they
empowered and then you know wewould go into whatever difficult
thing we had to do.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
So yeah, yeah, with the kind of people that you're
working with, caroline, do youwould you say that, like they
come to you and they know thatthey're feeling like all of
these things, that they're maybefeeling guarded or they're
feeling feeling, um, like theyknow things are like not really
regulated or they don't know thetools, like how would you say
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they like come to you with thesethings?
Speaker 3 (20:41):
so a lot of um, the settings I work with people at
the moment is more like in groupsettings as well, within um,
the yoga studio and retreats,and then you do have the more
personal connections with thatum, and so, yeah, a lot of
people, um, I guess, do.
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It really does start withawareness, and awareness is
something that we do need tolearn to cultivate and it's a
practice, um, and we can be toldall of these things like I, I
have anxiety or um, I havedepression or whatever it may be
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, um, and that is, it's totallyallowed, it's um, it's totally
all good these labels, but wereally really do think of it as
this is me, so it's like I amanxiety, rather than at times, I
experience moments of anxietybecause it's just a part of us,
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it's something that weexperience here and there, and
we begin to so strongly identifywith these things which can
make us actually feel quitesmall, as you were saying before
, and it can make us feel likewe are broken and we're not
worthy, when really innately,we're all absolutely whole, and
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I think what a lot of us haveforgotten is that we are
naturally whole and we naturallyhave this innate intelligence
within us, and we just forgetthat.
It gets really clouded over attimes because there are all
these labels and these thingsthat we should be doing and we
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feel like we're doing wrongbecause there's just so many, so
much noise out there that itfeels like we're never really
living up to these expectationsthat we place upon ourselves or
society places upon us.
And so what I would say is alot of people that I work
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alongside have just forgottenthat they are naturally whole
and we just really reallybelieve these things to be so
true about ourselves that wethink we are broken, when really
that's not okay at all andpeople just need to be reminded.
And I think also, the mostbeautiful thing can be
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co-regulation and having aconnection where you were just
so seen and heard and there's nojudgment, no critiquing, no
shame around any part that wedislike or, um, don't enjoy
about ourselves.
So I think, yeah, that at theessence, a reminder that we are
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whole yeah, I love that.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
I love that so much and I think, like you are just
the perfect person to be in theposition to guide people through
that.
Um, I felt like when I was atthe retreat with you and Jaden
and Des, it was like just likethe, the energy that you provide
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is like this space to like beheld, and like that was
something that you had said whenwe were there and I was like
that's just like the best way toput it like to really just
truly like be nurtured and heldfor just being like period, and
it was just such a a beautifulexperience to be a part of and
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to also watch other women whowere there, that we're all
having all these different kindsof experiences and we're coming
from different backgrounds, buteverybody is like innately
craving like the same thing,like as as being, like just
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being a human.
Um, and it's kind of wild tothink about because I think we
go through day to day and wescroll through social media and
we see people all over of like.
We're like, oh, we're sodifferent from them or we don't
have this, and we're just likeconstantly in that like
comparison cycle but, when youreally like, sit down with it at
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the end of the day like we'reall.
We're all wanting love and careand acceptance, like that's
that's really all like we'relooking for.
So it's like we're.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
We're all the same, we're just different from where
it came from yeah, also I likethe part about reminding them
that they're not broken.
That really resonates with me alot and you seem to me like I
know that you are.
I think you're.
Did you say she was around yourage, emily?
Speaker 1 (25:43):
I think so.
Yeah, I don't know how old youare.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
I'm like you seem very, seem very young 24, yeah,
okay, so we're the same age,yeah yeah, so you're the same
age and so to me it just feelsyou're so, you seem so wise and
like I feel like I could easilytrust you, which has been a
struggle for me.
Um, not my whole life I've.
I've been pretty like open withpeople, but later I have had
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some trust issues.
But I don't feel that way withyou.
You automatically have thisenergy that makes it feel safe
and I'm just like how and I meanI guess this is true of you're
so young you don't have these,this whole truckload of baggage
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that you've carried along yourjourney, and I just think it's
so interesting and also veryinspirational that you have come
to this at this age, like atthis younger age, and it hasn't
taken you a lifetime to.
I mean, I'm sure it feels likea lifetime to you, to both of
you, but but you know, whenyou're like twice that age or
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more, it feels like I don't knowit's very impressive.
I can't I can't find the wordsVery impressive.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
I think it's interesting that you say like it
doesn't come with like atruckload of baggage, because I
like, while it's definitely likeit's, there's no comparing like
what you've experienced versuswhat I've experienced, versus
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what Caroline has experiencedand I can't speak for you,
caroline, from this, but I knowfor me that I feel like the
things that I have experiencedand the way that I have become
who I am and how I hold myselfis from the things that have
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hurt me and that I want to learnfrom and that I've grown from,
and that I've interacted withdifferent kinds of people to to
make it better for my future.
I also I think that we'refortunate in a way of the.
The world we live in now is alittle bit more open to learning
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how to heal sooner and to like,take care of your spirit and
your body and like the overall,like essence of what you're
doing.
That's more of something that'stalked about than it was when
you were 24 like that's notsomething that was really like a
more.
I don't, I don't think it's.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
I wish it was more common, but I think that it is
something that people are moreyeah, definitely aware no you're
right, and I don't mean tominimize the things that you,
that either one of you, haveexperienced.
That's not.
That's not how I intended.
Yeah, um, just so.
I just want to make sure thatI'm clear.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
I didn't think you were.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
Yeah, I definitely don't feel that way.
I feel I think's.
I think it's more of likemyself feeling like, wow, I wish
that I had the, the knowledgeor the self-awareness at your
age, like how different my lifewould have ended up.
If you know, if I had beenreally aware of those kinds of
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things at at 24, I mean, lifewould have been different.
Not that I would want it to beany different than it is, but I
just I don't know.
I appreciate that wisdom at thepoint where you are.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
I really believe, too , that we each just have
different soul paths and um,part of me actually knows that
as a child, I did have to growup quite quickly, and so I'm not
sure if that's a great thing ornot so great thing.
Who knows um?
But I do feel like too.
(29:45):
We each just have unique soulpaths and, um, some of us are
maybe just meant to evolve alittle more quickly than others,
or we have different things todo in this lifetime.
Okay, you need to evolve now soyou can do this thing and then
the next thing and whatever itmay be.
Um, but yeah, I find the agething to be.
(30:06):
It's so interesting.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
It's just a number yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Um, what would you say tosomeone if they, if they said,
if they actually told you rightup front, like I feel closed off
, like what would be the firstthing, what would be the first
thing that they, they could do?
Speaker 3 (30:35):
I think, firstly, an acknowledgement for having that
awareness, uh, to notice aboutthemselves and to speak up about
it.
Um, I find that is just such aum, a gift to self.
And then, with that, start topractice slowing down and tuning
(30:56):
inwards towards yourself.
And that can look like manydifferent ways, whether it's
meditation, whether it's, youknow, going to a yoga class.
That in itself is slowing downand even having that
accountability to start with,and that can even set the
foundation for your day ahead,moving into it a little slower,
(31:29):
removing some things off thecalendar and not having it so
jam-packed.
Um, you know, to not be doingand achieving and driving all
the time, because as we slowdown, we're not distracting
anymore and we're not overridingour system.
So we have this ability tonotice like, oh okay, that's
there, and beginning to feelinto whatever is there, just the
(31:50):
reality of our experience,without trying to get rid of it
or just move on without it.
So I'd say, just start byslowing down, creating space,
creating space, and it's easiersaid than done.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
Yeah, creating space, and it's easier said than done.
Yeah, yeah, but but it is agood.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
It is a good reminder because, even though it sounds,
it just it doesn't.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
It sounds simple it's not easy, it's not simple, like
it's a yeah, it's definitely,especially if you that has
become like kind of a crutchthat you lean on, is like the
constant, busy, busy, busy and Idon't have to feel, yeah, where
I, where I am, I know, I really.
I appreciate that I wasn'tasking for a friend.
I was asking for myself so.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
I love that, yeah, and with that, also asking for
support, because sometimes, whenwe've been so eager to keep
going and moving, it's becausewe feel a bit uncomfortable at
times to be with thesesensations and emotions and
parts of us, um, and so,sometimes, to have that
(32:59):
co-regulation, that connection,someone also shine some light on
just holding you and youressence, to be able to feel, um,
that can be incredibly powerful, like I haven't done everything
alone, and the support I havehad, though, has been to help me
build that relationship withmyself, so I can tend to those
(33:21):
things with myself, and alsowith the safety of someone else
too, when need be.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
Yeah yeah, thank you.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
I think that's huge community is so huge, like it's.
That's something that I've likewithin the past couple of years
since we moved out of.
We were living more south, jakeand I, and then we moved a
little more north and now we'reconnected with our church more
and um, like more people thatare in, involved in that, and
(33:52):
like finding like our people tobe able to go to them and be
like.
This is what I'm dealing withand I need you for this and also
holding that space for them too, and realizing, like how
important a community is just inour day-to-day.
Like as humans we weren't madeto do anything by ourselves.
Like we were, let's just,literally, we weren't made that
(34:16):
way.
So like leaning into the factthat we have people around us
for a reason and like allowingit to.
For them to be there is such apowerful thing so yeah,
absolutely.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
Yeah, just to be seen and heard.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
Yeah, incredibly powerful, yeah, for sure oh, I'm
so glad that you came on here.
I feel like I could just likeask you questions and listen to
you talk all day long.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
Yeah, um, we're going to ask you a couple lightning
round questions.
Um, yeah, and then um afterthat, I would love if you could
just like basically tell us alittle bit about the things you
got going on, so like theretreat, anything that you're
offering, stuff like that, sothat way people know where to
(35:12):
find you and how to get theirhands on all that good stuff.
So all right.
So let's see.
Okay, on a scale of one to 10,how good of a driver are you?
Speaker 3 (35:27):
Oh, I love this one.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
Oh, isn't it funny when someone asks you to rate
yourself with a skill, oh mygosh my ego's like oh my
goodness um, I want to say aneight.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
I actually um yeah, I rate myself quite highly with
my driving.
I can parallel park Um, that'srelatively well, and so that's a
skill.
Yeah, Um you can drive manualand I thoroughly enjoy driving.
It's actually quite a happyplace for me.
Just I need to be in, be inyour own four walls.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
Four walls, I guess so, and I always have really
good cries, good laughs goodmusic.
It's the best time.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
Yeah, it's so funny.
Yeah, yeah, it's funny.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
I feel the same way.
I used to actually like drivinga lot more.
I was in a car accident in 2019.
And since then, like there hadbeen some like I was a little
shaken, but I feel like now I'mlike, yeah, like I could be in
my car and just like listen to apodcast or listen to music,
like it just feels good.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
Yeah, oh, great question, I love that.
Okay, next one who was yourfirst celebrity crush?
Oh my goodness, oh my gosh,that would have been Taylor
Lautner.
Oh, that's a good one.
Yeah, yeah, um yeah, twilightand he had the same birthday as
(37:06):
me, so I was like, oh my gosh Ithink I had a poster on my wall,
yeah, so funny yeah, yeah,definitely him
Speaker 1 (37:15):
yeah, oh my goodness, that's funny now he's like
married to another person namedtaylor taylor and taylor yeah
wow, they're so cute.
Yeah, oh yeah, I need to checkthat out.
Speaker 3 (37:27):
Don't get too jealous , though, you know.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
Yeah, she's like the sweetest person, so it's like
hard to be jealous of herbecause I'm like they're just
like, they just seem likethey're meant to be and I'm like
, all right okay, fine, you canmarry her I guess, okay, so last
question for you knowing whatyou know now, what advice would
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you give to your 18 year oldself?
Speaker 3 (37:56):
18.
That was a interesting year.
I would say to her to trustherself and that feeling that
doesn't make sense, it doesn'thave many words, to trust that
(38:19):
feeling, um, and to let thatfeeling guide you and that it's
okay to not need to fit in andlive into the societal norms and
you're safe to go and live lifein a way that feels really true
and meaningful for you, even ifyou don't know what that is yet
(38:42):
.
But there was an inkling, sojust follow that inkling.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
Yeah that's good.
That would have been helpfulfor my 18 year old self for sure
.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
Helpful yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, okay.
Well, so tell us where we canfind you tell us.
Tell a little bit about theretreat too, so that people know
that that's coming up in Peru.
Speaker 3 (39:06):
That's exciting so exciting, so exciting, um.
So, yeah, next retreat is inPeru, may 2025.
Um, jaden and I went there lastyear after our retreats, um,
and we actually just meditatedunder the mountains and we knew
(39:27):
that we would be back.
And it is such a special placeum, quite hard to put it into
words because the energy of theplace just feels so electrical
and gentle, yet powerful at thesame time.
Um, and feel really excited tobring this retreat together and,
yeah, the flair of cyclicalliving from Jaden and then more
(39:51):
of the nervous system,regulation and just learning to
feel safely again withinyourself is what I bring to the
retreat and the combination isreally special, along with the
connection community and theenvironment, as you'd know.
So that feels really, reallyexciting and I can't wait for it
.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
Yeah, yeah, and if you, are listening and you're
like that is something I need,then we'll have the link to that
below so you can check that out, um, and I will also link all
of caroline's, so if you havequestions, you can always ask
her.
But, yeah, I think that, likeinvesting in yourself in that
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way is a huge deal.
It's something that I thinkeveryone should do at least once
.
It honestly like when I went toBali, like it changed my life,
like it was.
That sounds like to somebodywho's like, never done something
like that.
It's like that's a littledramatic, like chill, but it
really isn't like it.
(40:53):
It truly like you go and likeit's just something you can't
explain.
It's like it's magic.
That's the best way that I canexplain it.
So, um, if, if you're lookingfor something like that,
caroline and Jaden are the bestpeople to do that through,
speaking from experience.
So, definitely check out thatretreat and check out all the
(41:15):
things that Caroline has tooffer.
So, yeah, thank you for comingon and sharing your beautiful
self with us.
Yeah, that's all we got for you.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
Thank you so much, thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (41:28):
Thank you so much for having me.
It's been so special.
The two of you together Amazing.
And Em just keep doing whatyou're doing.
Yeah, you're amazing, thank you.
Hey, welcome to Mind your Heart Podcast, your
favorite corner of the internetwhere we chat about all things
mental health.
I'm Emily.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
And I'm Trina.
Together, we're like yourreal-life Lorelai and Rory
Gilmore.
Each week, we'll bring you realconversations about the world
of mental health and we willpeel back layers on topics like
anxiety, depression and muchmore.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
We're here to chat with you about the tough stuff,
the everyday stuff andeverything in between.
So grab your emotional supportwater bottle I know we have ours
.
Find your comfiest chair orkeep your eyes on the road and
let's get into it.
Are you ready, mom?
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Absolutely.
Join us as we mind our heartsand hopefully make minding yours
a little easier.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Hi, welcome back.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Welcome back.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Welcome to Mind your Heart.
We're in a little bit differentof a setting today because we
are having guests.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Yay, and you know what?
I'm going to have to pay you $5because I just realized that
this is recorded and you knowI'm so used to doing my podcast.
I have two other podcasts Well,they're over right now but I've
done two other podcasts andI've always.
I've never done like live.
(01:18):
I mean, I've never I've donelive.
I've never done like video.
I've never used the video untillike the last year of one of
them and I was like I'm going tostart using this on social, but
I never.
I didn't record it.
So I was like, oh yeah, I don'thave to worry about getting
dressed today.
What was I thinking?
Speaker 1 (01:36):
You look good, so I don't think that there's
anything wrong.
I mean, like I currently am I Iknow I'm I am on day 28, 29 of
my cycle, so like I haven'tbreaking out a little bit more.
I also had gluten.
Oh so much gluten and dairy.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Yeah, so much.
I woke up.
I was a grouchy Gus and I'mlike I am a grouchy Gus.
That's what my friend fromCanada says.
Yeah, she says she's a grouchyGus and I'm like I am a grouchy
Gus.
That's what my friend fromCanada says.
Yeah, she says she's a grouchyGus and I'm like I like that.
So I'm a grouchy Gus todaybecause of the gluten and the
dairy.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
I was a gassy Gus last night because of the gluten
.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Gross.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Or what is it?
Gassy, gus, gross, anyway,alliteration.
So today we're yeah, we'regonna be talking to a guest and
that's exciting.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
We are gonna have caroline.
I believe her last name ispronounced charot um.
I'm gonna ask her when she comeson, so that we can see if she
needs to correct me, but I'm soexcited to have Caroline.
Caroline and I met for thefirst time when I went to a
retreat that she co-hostedcalled she's Connected, in Bali,
(02:56):
indonesia.
That was in March.
So Caroline is a yoga teacherand a meditation facilitator
with a trauma-informed lens tosupport the holding of any body.
She combines embodiedbodily-based practices with
mindfulness and nervous systemregulation.
Her biggest wish is to createsafe spaces where people are
(03:20):
aided in softening the wallsthat we place upon our hearts,
allowing ourselves to feel anessential part of being a human.
Human to human co-regulation isa pivotal part of a return home
to ourselves, so she adorescreating classes, containers,
events and retreats in whichcommunity and connection is
fostered.
(03:40):
So I think this is going to begreat.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Oh, I think that sounds so cool.
I love all of that, especiallylike the whole connection with
people and just being reallyaware of your own body and
yourself.
And yeah, I just really thinkthat's cool.
I'm excited.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Yeah, I had just gotten off my crazy travel day
in Bali where I like lost myluggage and I had been traveling
for like 36 hours and I wasjust like exhausted and I had
never met any of these women inperson before.
And I walked into the retreatand like I'm pretty sure, like
(04:21):
within like the first hour ofmeeting Caroline, like she just
like held me while I cried.
And it was just like I had neverfelt like so safe and
comfortable with someone I hadjust met ever.
So, yeah, I'm I'm so gratefulthat she is coming on today.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
That's really cool.
That's um, that's you know,sometimes you meet those people.
I was just telling this tosomeone oh yeah, someone that um
, that we're doing DigitalCourse Academy together and I
was just telling her, likesometimes you meet people and
you just instantly it's likeyour soul has found your soul
partner, like you have foundyour person.
(04:59):
I mean like you just it's likeyou know each other from some
other realm and you justinstantly connect.
I love when that happens.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Yeah, all right, so let's you want to get on with
the show.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Yep.
So welcome Caroline.
I'm so excited to have you onthe podcast.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
How are you doing?
Yes, good, just so grateful tobe here.
So, thank you, it feels reallyspecial.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Yeah, of course I'm so grateful that you agreed to
come on yeah it's exciting.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
So tell a little bit, like our listeners, a little
bit about who you are like, whatyou like, your bottoms up
(05:54):
approach, like I'm interested inthat.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Like just a little bit about who you are to start
with, okay, who I am such abroad question, yes, I should
have given you some.
I love it.
I love it.
If I was to you to use labels,um, it would be.
I teach yoga and meditation andI really do believe that these
are such pillars in my life.
They really do set thefoundation for how I show up in
the world.
And when you refer to thebottom-up approach, I really see
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these practices as a means ofworking with the body, which
essentially is what I mean by abottom-up approach.
And there can be this illusionthat meditation is all within
the mind.
I even think meditationstarting with M, and then mind
as well starting with M.
We just think it's shoulders up, but it really is working with
(06:43):
the body.
But when I refer it back tomyself, I have found that within
my own personal experience, alot of the work has been with
uncovering, um, how to safelyfeel again.
So I think we just reallyswitched that off as coping
(07:04):
mechanisms and a means to staysafe in this world, especially
growing up.
So a lot of my personalpractices has steered towards
the body and that's what I feelso passionate and sharing with
other people.
I feel like it's so needed.
We're just so used to living uphere and we need the mind to
(07:24):
think and get to things on time,but we really don't practice
being in here, and so I feelreally, really passionate about
sharing that with the world.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Yeah, that's beautiful, that's absolutely
beautiful.
Not to mention that if you'renot really having that approach,
it kind of comes back to hauntyou in some way along the line
if you're not taking care ofyour body or not paying
attention to signs within yourbody like stress and even trauma
(07:56):
and things like that, like wehold on to it.
I mean, I actually did a yogacertification myself and I went
through a teacher training.
It was a really unbelievableexperience and I realized that I
held like a lot of stuff in myhip flexors and like our junk
drawer.
My teacher used to say it waslike your junk drawer and I'm
like oh my hips hurt, yeah, andas I've gotten older, the more
(08:19):
I'd like if I'm not in tune withmy body, the more like aches
and pains will come up and I andI'm like I there's things I'm
not dealing with Like I need todeal with these things and
dealing with them and thinkingabout them, and whether it's
with a mindset person orcounseling or something like
that, it is really helpful forme.
It's a really, it's reallybeneficial.
(08:40):
So I'm excited about this.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Yeah, I love that, that's awesome.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
I remember too, like when we were at the retreat, one
thing that like I didn't evenI'd never really thought about.
I mean, I guess like I mean youintroduced me to the nervous
system like regulation,understanding that.
But I remember one thing that Ihave like held with me since
the retreat that I like askedmyself all the time Like you
(09:06):
were like, so, like how do youfeel?
And then you were like OK, butlike how does that feel?
And then like how does thatfeel?
And like keep going until likeyou're like OK, where is this
like physically, emotionally?
And it's just like a reallyinteresting thing that I have
taken with me and I even usethat like with Jake, my
boyfriend.
(09:26):
I'm like OK, so how do you feel?
And he's like I'm tired.
I'm like OK, but how does thatfeel.
And so I just feel like I don'tknow.
Like everything that you teachregarding that is just it's like
on a deeper level than what wewould normally think about when
we're explaining how we feel orwhat we're thinking um, and I
(09:48):
would love if you could likekind of share like where, where
did you start thinking that thiswas your passion?
This is what you wanted toteach?
Like, how did you startlearning this?
Speaker 3 (10:02):
it's all through personal experience and trying
different things on and I would,you know, try with just talk
therapy, and it definitely has aplace and it is very helpful.
But there was always sort of amissing piece that I couldn't
(10:30):
quite wrap my head around orunderstand.
And since, being actuallyreally young, I have always been
really sensitive and I thoughtthat was a not so good thing.
And now I realize that it'sactually my superpower and I'm
really grateful that I have thisability to deeply feel.
But what comes with that is Ifeel it all.
(10:51):
So I'll feel that beautifulsense of joy and excitement and
love and gratitude, and thenalso that deep sense of pain and
grief and sadness.
And there's been a time whereI've actually blocked that out
and I've numbed it um, out of itfelt just too much to feel and
(11:13):
I didn't have the awareness, theunderstanding, um, healthier
coach mechanisms to really bewith it.
So I did just numb it, whetherit was drinking or even like
Netflix, you know, your phone,anything at all be lots of
numbing.
And so I guess, having actuallyhad experienced the not feeling,
(11:40):
I realized that, um, I want tolive a full life of being in
this human body and to be inthis human body, it is to deeply
feel, to feel it all.
And if we can't really feel thenot so nice stuff I say in
quotation marks we don't reallyhave this ability to feel all of
(12:03):
the other beautiful joy,excitement, whatever it may be.
So it's been through my ownexperience, and then also the
communities that you're in andthe connections that you form
and the people that you do workwith and allowing them to
understand their body, feel safein their body, to feel again.
Um, I realize that it is so, soneeded and we are all different
(12:28):
, so we need differentmodalities, different
connections.
But one thing we do have incommon is that we all have
thoughts, we all have feelings,we all have sensations.
So let's learn to meet them andwork with them.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Yeah, I love that.
And one thing you said tooabout like feeling like as a
sensitive person.
I mean, like I can speak forboth my mom and I.
We are both very sensitivepeople.
And I think like that can belooked at like we're almost
taught like that's bad,especially like as women,
(13:06):
because it's like used as like aweapon in some ways, like oh
well, she's so sensitive becauseshe feels like this or that, so
I love that, like you're takingthat and just turning that
completely upside down and beinglike this is like a superpower
that you have, like this issomething that you you have as a
gift that you can take andbring out into the world, and
(13:27):
this is how you can use it, evenwhen it doesn't feel the
greatest sometimes.
So I just I love that.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
No, it's a beautiful way of looking at it.
And also one of the things thatyou mentioned as a numbing
thing that I never reallythought of until you said that
was was like Netflix.
Like I'm like, did she just sayNetflix?
I'm like, oh my gosh, I do that.
I'm like I'm doing that withNetflix.
Like I'm like, did she just sayNetflix?
I'm like, oh my gosh, I do that.
I'm like I'm doing that withNetflix.
And because I'm because I don'tdo some of those other things
(13:55):
most of the time to numb, but Idefinitely use TV as a
distractor sometimes, and and Iguess that's when I need to kind
of ask myself what am I tryingto avoid?
Like I and one of the reasons Iactually did the yoga training
to start with it because it washot yoga was so to like learn to
be like comfortable anduncomfortable and, and so I
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wanted to to like figure out howto do that and how to open
myself up to it, and one of thethings even that you just
mentioned that just made methink of that like we were doing
well, I learned that I likedon't, like, I'm like constantly
trying to protect my heart andum, and so we did this pose and
they had their foot in my backand I remember like you were
(14:39):
just couldn't be any more openand I just started sobbing like
I just.
it was like such a release of ofemotion and it really is
unbelievable how much you you dostore in your own body and like
how you take all, all of thatalong with you.
So I'd like the idea ofthinking about really like
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feeling your feelings because Ialso know what you mean by like
I can.
I can remember specificallywhen I was a media specialist in
a school, like walking down thehall and being able to feel the
energy coming out of theclassrooms and feel like the
kids were in such a they werehaving such a hard time and I
(15:21):
could just feel their pain andI'm like I felt like all of my
nerve endings were like goingcrazy because it was so much at
one time and I remember feelinglike, oh, my goodness, I can't
take all of this on.
It feels so heavy and so hard.
So I think that's interesting,how sometimes you really feel
(15:41):
those things and other timesyou're numbing them somehow.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
Absolutely, yeah you know you're numbing them somehow
, Absolutely yeah.
And I find it interesting whenyou say you know there's a time
where you finally opened yourheart and that was beginning
with like a physical way and howthat connects emotionally and
energetically.
And my, oh my, we walk aroundday to day just putting walls
(16:08):
and guards up over our hearts.
And it makes a lot of sense.
You know, we are just trying toprotect ourselves from many
different situations, people andthings, and it actually feels
kind of more familiar for us attimes just to keep it closed.
It feels safer that way.
But to open it, as you say, canalso be a beautiful, beautiful
(16:30):
thing yeah, I need to do it moreoften because, as I'm listening
, to you.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
I'm like okay, I did that, then this, that was like
eight years ago.
Um no, I feel like I've my, mynatural instinct has kind of
gone back to I'm gonna minimizemyself, I'm gonna um, protect,
I'm going to minimize myself.
I'm going to protect, I'm goingto protect, yeah.
So I think, yeah, I feel likethat's something I need to look
at.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
I've noticed that about myself actually recently,
like it's something that I I waslike you know, I feel I was
like looking at myself in themirror and I'm like trying to
get more comfortable just likewith like my body, just like
being a body, and I'm like youget more comfortable just like
with like my body, just likebeing a body, and I'm like you
know, like my posture is like alittle bit like this and.
(17:16):
I'm like and I wasn't trying tolike look at myself and judge
myself and be like, oh well, youlook this or that.
It was more of just like I'mkind of slouching, like I am
short person, like, but I'm alsonot like super tall, but I'm
like why am I almost like havingmy shoulders go down and making
myself a little bit smaller?
(17:36):
And it was like I realized that, like I the things that I have
struggled with with my ownconfidence, with the way that I
look, with the way that I feelI'm like I'm almost, with the
way that I look, with the waythat I feel I'm like I'm almost,
not almost I am putting myselfin a position to where I
literally am making myselfsmaller and like making myself
(17:59):
put down physically every day.
And I I was talking to Jakeabout this and I was like I need
help because I'm like it'sgonna take some time for me to
like remember to like stand upstraight and, and I was like,
because it even feels weird, I'mlike I'm doing it right now.
How does I do?
I look like I'm just likesticking on my chest and he's
(18:20):
like no, you look like normal.
And I was like okay, so if younotice that, like, I'm like like
shrinking myself, I want you tolike gently tell me that,
because, so, if you notice thatI'm shrinking myself, I want you
to gently tell me that BecauseI want to remember that I'm
allowed to take up space and I'mallowed to feel in that space
and to exist in that space, justhow I am.
(18:41):
So that's just yeah.
I don't know.
It's something that I'venoticed recently and I've been
really trying to work on.
Even when I take Daisy my outfor a walk, I'm like I'm gonna
have a really good posturewalking out on the sidewalk and
like, if a car passes by, likethey're gonna think she's really
confident and she like knowswhat she's doing and it's.
It's made a mental differencewith that change too yeah, yeah,
(19:05):
yeah I um, I think that's sointeresting.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
I I definitely feel like I'm doing that, and the
more I'm listening and thinkingabout this, I'm like I'm doing
this a lot.
I'm like avoiding connection atall.
Like, even when I go into thegrocery store, I'm like I got my
AirPods in.
I'm like don't talk to me.
I'm listening to a podcast.
I don't think I'm being rude, Idon't.
I'm not trying to be rude topeople, but it's like I'm
avoiding any kind of contact,which is strange to think about,
(19:35):
like why or where that iscoming from.
I guess being hurt, feelinghurt, being scared of being hurt
again, I don't know.
I think that's an interestingprospect.
So I like the standing upstraight.
(19:55):
I used to teach my students wewould do the superhero pose
before we take a test.
I'm like you know, all right,so we would stand and like we
would do it for a whole 60minutes.
Everyone would be, you know,standing and, and then they
empowered and then you know wewould go into whatever difficult
thing we had to do.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
So yeah, yeah, with the kind of people that you're
working with, caroline, do youwould you say that, like they
come to you and they know thatthey're feeling like all of
these things, that they're maybefeeling guarded or they're
feeling feeling, um, like theyknow things are like not really
regulated or they don't know thetools, like how would you say
(20:36):
they like come to you with thesethings?
Speaker 3 (20:41):
so a lot of um, the settings I work with people at
the moment is more like in groupsettings as well, within um,
the yoga studio and retreats,and then you do have the more
personal connections with thatum, and so, yeah, a lot of
people, um, I guess, do.
(21:04):
It really does start withawareness, and awareness is
something that we do need tolearn to cultivate and it's a
practice, um, and we can be toldall of these things like I, I
have anxiety or um, I havedepression or whatever it may be
(21:29):
, um, and that is, it's totallyallowed, it's um, it's totally
all good these labels, but wereally really do think of it as
this is me, so it's like I amanxiety, rather than at times, I
experience moments of anxietybecause it's just a part of us,
(21:52):
it's something that weexperience here and there, and
we begin to so strongly identifywith these things which can
make us actually feel quitesmall, as you were saying before
, and it can make us feel likewe are broken and we're not
worthy, when really innately,we're all absolutely whole, and
(22:15):
I think what a lot of us haveforgotten is that we are
naturally whole and we naturallyhave this innate intelligence
within us, and we just forgetthat.
It gets really clouded over attimes because there are all
these labels and these thingsthat we should be doing and we
(22:36):
feel like we're doing wrongbecause there's just so many, so
much noise out there that itfeels like we're never really
living up to these expectationsthat we place upon ourselves or
society places upon us.
And so what I would say is alot of people that I work
(22:56):
alongside have just forgottenthat they are naturally whole
and we just really reallybelieve these things to be so
true about ourselves that wethink we are broken, when really
that's not okay at all andpeople just need to be reminded.
And I think also, the mostbeautiful thing can be
(23:20):
co-regulation and having aconnection where you were just
so seen and heard and there's nojudgment, no critiquing, no
shame around any part that wedislike or, um, don't enjoy
about ourselves.
So I think, yeah, that at theessence, a reminder that we are
(23:41):
whole yeah, I love that.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
I love that so much and I think, like you are just
the perfect person to be in theposition to guide people through
that.
Um, I felt like when I was atthe retreat with you and Jaden
and Des, it was like just likethe, the energy that you provide
(24:07):
is like this space to like beheld, and like that was
something that you had said whenwe were there and I was like
that's just like the best way toput it like to really just
truly like be nurtured and heldfor just being like period, and
it was just such a a beautifulexperience to be a part of and
(24:28):
to also watch other women whowere there, that we're all
having all these different kindsof experiences and we're coming
from different backgrounds, buteverybody is like innately
craving like the same thing,like as as being, like just
(24:48):
being a human.
Um, and it's kind of wild tothink about because I think we
go through day to day and wescroll through social media and
we see people all over of like.
We're like, oh, we're sodifferent from them or we don't
have this, and we're just likeconstantly in that like
comparison cycle but, when youreally like, sit down with it at
(25:11):
the end of the day like we'reall.
We're all wanting love and careand acceptance, like that's
that's really all like we'relooking for.
So it's like we're.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
We're all the same, we're just different from where
it came from yeah, also I likethe part about reminding them
that they're not broken.
That really resonates with me alot and you seem to me like I
know that you are.
I think you're.
Did you say she was around yourage, emily?
Speaker 1 (25:43):
I think so.
Yeah, I don't know how old youare.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
I'm like you seem very, seem very young 24, yeah,
okay, so we're the same age,yeah yeah, so you're the same
age and so to me it just feelsyou're so, you seem so wise and
like I feel like I could easilytrust you, which has been a
struggle for me.
Um, not my whole life I've.
I've been pretty like open withpeople, but later I have had
(26:10):
some trust issues.
But I don't feel that way withyou.
You automatically have thisenergy that makes it feel safe
and I'm just like how and I meanI guess this is true of you're
so young you don't have these,this whole truckload of baggage
(26:32):
that you've carried along yourjourney, and I just think it's
so interesting and also veryinspirational that you have come
to this at this age, like atthis younger age, and it hasn't
taken you a lifetime to.
I mean, I'm sure it feels likea lifetime to you, to both of
you, but but you know, whenyou're like twice that age or
(26:53):
more, it feels like I don't knowit's very impressive.
I can't I can't find the wordsVery impressive.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
I think it's interesting that you say like it
doesn't come with like atruckload of baggage, because I
like, while it's definitely likeit's, there's no comparing like
what you've experienced versuswhat I've experienced, versus
(27:21):
what Caroline has experiencedand I can't speak for you,
caroline, from this, but I knowfor me that I feel like the
things that I have experiencedand the way that I have become
who I am and how I hold myselfis from the things that have
(27:44):
hurt me and that I want to learnfrom and that I've grown from,
and that I've interacted withdifferent kinds of people to to
make it better for my future.
I also I think that we'refortunate in a way of the.
The world we live in now is alittle bit more open to learning
(28:06):
how to heal sooner and to like,take care of your spirit and
your body and like the overall,like essence of what you're
doing.
That's more of something that'stalked about than it was when
you were 24 like that's notsomething that was really like a
more.
I don't, I don't think it's.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
I wish it was more common, but I think that it is
something that people are moreyeah, definitely aware no you're
right, and I don't mean tominimize the things that you,
that either one of you, haveexperienced.
That's not.
That's not how I intended.
Yeah, um, just so.
I just want to make sure thatI'm clear.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
I didn't think you were.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
Yeah, I definitely don't feel that way.
I feel I think's.
I think it's more of likemyself feeling like, wow, I wish
that I had the, the knowledgeor the self-awareness at your
age, like how different my lifewould have ended up.
If you know, if I had beenreally aware of those kinds of
(29:05):
things at at 24, I mean, lifewould have been different.
Not that I would want it to beany different than it is, but I
just I don't know.
I appreciate that wisdom at thepoint where you are.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
I really believe, too , that we each just have
different soul paths and um,part of me actually knows that
as a child, I did have to growup quite quickly, and so I'm not
sure if that's a great thing ornot so great thing.
Who knows um?
But I do feel like too.
(29:45):
We each just have unique soulpaths and, um, some of us are
maybe just meant to evolve alittle more quickly than others,
or we have different things todo in this lifetime.
Okay, you need to evolve now soyou can do this thing and then
the next thing and whatever itmay be.
Um, but yeah, I find the agething to be.
(30:06):
It's so interesting.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
It's just a number yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Um, what would you say tosomeone if they, if they said,
if they actually told you rightup front, like I feel closed off
, like what would be the firstthing, what would be the first
thing that they, they could do?
Speaker 3 (30:35):
I think, firstly, an acknowledgement for having that
awareness, uh, to notice aboutthemselves and to speak up about
it.
Um, I find that is just such aum, a gift to self.
And then, with that, start topractice slowing down and tuning
(30:56):
inwards towards yourself.
And that can look like manydifferent ways, whether it's
meditation, whether it's, youknow, going to a yoga class.
That in itself is slowing downand even having that
accountability to start with,and that can even set the
foundation for your day ahead,moving into it a little slower,
(31:29):
removing some things off thecalendar and not having it so
jam-packed.
Um, you know, to not be doingand achieving and driving all
the time, because as we slowdown, we're not distracting
anymore and we're not overridingour system.
So we have this ability tonotice like, oh okay, that's
there, and beginning to feelinto whatever is there, just the
(31:50):
reality of our experience,without trying to get rid of it
or just move on without it.
So I'd say, just start byslowing down, creating space,
creating space, and it's easiersaid than done.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
Yeah, creating space, and it's easier said than done.
Yeah, yeah, but but it is agood.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
It is a good reminder because, even though it sounds,
it just it doesn't.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
It sounds simple it's not easy, it's not simple, like
it's a yeah, it's definitely,especially if you that has
become like kind of a crutchthat you lean on, is like the
constant, busy, busy, busy and Idon't have to feel, yeah, where
I, where I am, I know, I really.
I appreciate that I wasn'tasking for a friend.
I was asking for myself so.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
I love that, yeah, and with that, also asking for
support, because sometimes, whenwe've been so eager to keep
going and moving, it's becausewe feel a bit uncomfortable at
times to be with thesesensations and emotions and
parts of us, um, and so,sometimes, to have that
(32:59):
co-regulation, that connection,someone also shine some light on
just holding you and youressence, to be able to feel, um,
that can be incredibly powerful, like I haven't done everything
alone, and the support I havehad, though, has been to help me
build that relationship withmyself, so I can tend to those
(33:21):
things with myself, and alsowith the safety of someone else
too, when need be.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
Yeah yeah, thank you.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
I think that's huge community is so huge, like it's.
That's something that I've likewithin the past couple of years
since we moved out of.
We were living more south, jakeand I, and then we moved a
little more north and now we'reconnected with our church more
and um, like more people thatare in, involved in that, and
(33:52):
like finding like our people tobe able to go to them and be
like.
This is what I'm dealing withand I need you for this and also
holding that space for them too, and realizing, like how
important a community is just inour day-to-day.
Like as humans we weren't madeto do anything by ourselves.
Like we were, let's just,literally, we weren't made that
(34:16):
way.
So like leaning into the factthat we have people around us
for a reason and like allowingit to.
For them to be there is such apowerful thing so yeah,
absolutely.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
Yeah, just to be seen and heard.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
Yeah, incredibly powerful, yeah, for sure oh, I'm
so glad that you came on here.
I feel like I could just likeask you questions and listen to
you talk all day long.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
Yeah, um, we're going to ask you a couple lightning
round questions.
Um, yeah, and then um afterthat, I would love if you could
just like basically tell us alittle bit about the things you
got going on, so like theretreat, anything that you're
offering, stuff like that, sothat way people know where to
(35:12):
find you and how to get theirhands on all that good stuff.
So all right.
So let's see.
Okay, on a scale of one to 10,how good of a driver are you?
Speaker 3 (35:27):
Oh, I love this one.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
Oh, isn't it funny when someone asks you to rate
yourself with a skill, oh mygosh my ego's like oh my
goodness um, I want to say aneight.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
I actually um yeah, I rate myself quite highly with
my driving.
I can parallel park Um, that'srelatively well, and so that's a
skill.
Yeah, Um you can drive manualand I thoroughly enjoy driving.
It's actually quite a happyplace for me.
Just I need to be in, be inyour own four walls.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
Four walls, I guess so, and I always have really
good cries, good laughs goodmusic.
It's the best time.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
Yeah, it's so funny.
Yeah, yeah, it's funny.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
I feel the same way.
I used to actually like drivinga lot more.
I was in a car accident in 2019.
And since then, like there hadbeen some like I was a little
shaken, but I feel like now I'mlike, yeah, like I could be in
my car and just like listen to apodcast or listen to music,
like it just feels good.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
Yeah, oh, great question, I love that.
Okay, next one who was yourfirst celebrity crush?
Oh my goodness, oh my gosh,that would have been Taylor
Lautner.
Oh, that's a good one.
Yeah, yeah, um yeah, twilightand he had the same birthday as
(37:06):
me, so I was like, oh my gosh Ithink I had a poster on my wall,
yeah, so funny yeah, yeah,definitely him
Speaker 1 (37:15):
yeah, oh my goodness, that's funny now he's like
married to another person namedtaylor taylor and taylor yeah
wow, they're so cute.
Yeah, oh yeah, I need to checkthat out.
Speaker 3 (37:27):
Don't get too jealous , though, you know.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
Yeah, she's like the sweetest person, so it's like
hard to be jealous of herbecause I'm like they're just
like, they just seem likethey're meant to be and I'm like
, all right okay, fine, you canmarry her I guess, okay, so last
question for you knowing whatyou know now, what advice would
(37:50):
you give to your 18 year oldself?
Speaker 3 (37:56):
18.
That was a interesting year.
I would say to her to trustherself and that feeling that
doesn't make sense, it doesn'thave many words, to trust that
(38:19):
feeling, um, and to let thatfeeling guide you and that it's
okay to not need to fit in andlive into the societal norms and
you're safe to go and live lifein a way that feels really true
and meaningful for you, even ifyou don't know what that is yet
(38:42):
.
But there was an inkling, sojust follow that inkling.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
Yeah that's good.
That would have been helpfulfor my 18 year old self for sure
.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
Helpful yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, okay.
Well, so tell us where we canfind you tell us.
Tell a little bit about theretreat too, so that people know
that that's coming up in Peru.
Speaker 3 (39:06):
That's exciting so exciting, so exciting, um.
So, yeah, next retreat is inPeru, may 2025.
Um, jaden and I went there lastyear after our retreats, um,
and we actually just meditatedunder the mountains and we knew
(39:27):
that we would be back.
And it is such a special placeum, quite hard to put it into
words because the energy of theplace just feels so electrical
and gentle, yet powerful at thesame time.
Um, and feel really excited tobring this retreat together and,
yeah, the flair of cyclicalliving from Jaden and then more
(39:51):
of the nervous system,regulation and just learning to
feel safely again withinyourself is what I bring to the
retreat and the combination isreally special, along with the
connection community and theenvironment, as you'd know.
So that feels really, reallyexciting and I can't wait for it
.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
Yeah, yeah, and if you, are listening and you're
like that is something I need,then we'll have the link to that
below so you can check that out, um, and I will also link all
of caroline's, so if you havequestions, you can always ask
her.
But, yeah, I think that, likeinvesting in yourself in that
(40:32):
way is a huge deal.
It's something that I thinkeveryone should do at least once
.
It honestly like when I went toBali, like it changed my life,
like it was.
That sounds like to somebodywho's like, never done something
like that.
It's like that's a littledramatic, like chill, but it
really isn't like it.
(40:53):
It truly like you go and likeit's just something you can't
explain.
It's like it's magic.
That's the best way that I canexplain it.
So, um, if, if you're lookingfor something like that,
caroline and Jaden are the bestpeople to do that through,
speaking from experience.
So, definitely check out thatretreat and check out all the
(41:15):
things that Caroline has tooffer.
So, yeah, thank you for comingon and sharing your beautiful
self with us.
Yeah, that's all we got for you.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
Thank you so much, thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (41:28):
Thank you so much for having me.
It's been so special.
The two of you together Amazing.
And Em just keep doing whatyou're doing.
Yeah, you're amazing, thank you.
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