November 11, 2024 • 49 mins
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Discover the transformative power of cyclical living with our special guest, Jaden Sparrow—an empowering menstrual cycle coach and yoga teacher whose journey has inspired life-changing decisions. From guiding women toward understanding their natural rhythms to sparking Emily's adventurous travels to Bali, Jaden opens up about how embracing one's menstrual cycle can lead to profound personal growth. Listen in as she shares her wisdom on addressing hormonal imbalances through simple lifestyle changes, offering a fresh perspective on living in harmony with your body.
Reflect on personal experiences of the disconnection many feel due to hormonal contraception and the challenges of navigating feminine health. Through Jaden's story, explore the impact of early birth control use and the journey to reconnect with one's body and feminine energy. We discuss the toll that stress, eating disorders, and exercise addiction can take on the body and how a change in environment can be the catalyst for rediscovering balance and emotional depth.
Uncover practical approaches to women's health, from cycle tracking to stress management. Jaden emphasizes the significance of aligning with natural cycles and embracing feminine strengths. Learn about the benefits of balancing blood sugar, the importance of rest, and nutritional strategies that support well-being. Gain insights into the positive aspects of the menstrual cycle and how understanding your body's needs can lead to better health outcomes. Join us as we celebrate the beauty of feminine wisdom and empower listeners to live in sync with their cycles.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hey, welcome to Mind your Heart Podcast, your
favorite corner of the internetwhere we chat about all things
mental health.
I'm Emily.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
And I'm Trina.
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of mental health and we willpeel back layers on topics like
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Speaker 1 (00:24):
We're here to chat with you about the tough stuff,
the everyday stuff andeverything in between.
So grab your emotional supportwater bottle I know we have ours
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Find your comfiest chair orkeep your eyes on the road and
let's get into it.
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Speaker 2 (00:39):
Absolutely.
Join us as we mind our heartsand hopefully make minding yours
a little easier.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Welcome back to another episode of Mind your
Heart.
Welcome back, hi.
Today we have another reallyspecial guest.
Jaden is going to be joining ustoday on Mind your Heart and I
am so excited to have her.
We talked, we actuallymentioned her a couple times in
(01:07):
the previous episode.
So if you listen to our lastepisode of Mind your Heart with
Caroline, then you have a littlesneak peek of an idea of Jaden
coming on.
So Jaden and I actually metvirtually before I made the
decision to go to Bali.
She was the person thatbasically solidified it for me.
(01:29):
I was like yep, I'm going toBali, this is it.
She was the only person that Italked to face-to-face on a Zoom
before I got there.
So everybody else at theretreat I did not know.
So anyways, jaden, she is justso knowledgeable when it comes
(01:51):
to cyclical living, so I'mreally, really excited to have
her talk a little bit about,like menstrual cycles and like
when it comes to what that lookslike in all different stages of
life.
So she is a retreat host,obviously.
She works as a menstrual cyclecoach and she's also a yoga
(02:13):
teacher.
She helps women understandtheir menstrual cycle and live
cyclically.
Jaden is passionate aboutempowering women by showing them
the beautiful strengths theircycle holds and how to heal
hormonal imbalances throughsimple lifestyle changes.
She's also passionate abouttravel and living a life of
freedom and adventure, which issuch a good way to describe her
(02:37):
because she's currently inAustralia right now.
When we were in Bali, Iremember her being like yeah,
I'm just going to move toAustralia and I was like that's.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
I love, love, cool yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
And I was like so, like what's the plan?
She was like there's no plan,Like I have literally no plan.
I don't know where I'm going tolive, like I'm just I bought
the one way ticket and yes thatis so cool.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Yes, that is so cool yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Yeah, it's really cool so and she's done that with
, I think, a couple other thingslike other times before and
she's like just she's had somereally cool experiences, so
excited to have Jaden on today.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Yeah, me too, I can't , That'll be.
Yeah, I'm.
I'm very, really fascinated bythat.
Also, australia is was theplace that I have always wanted
to go to Australia and it's onwhen I was a kid and we would do
those silly.
What are those things the?
It was like like cootiecatchers.
That was called the little youlike flip, flop, flip, and then
(03:39):
they have to peel up.
You don't know what I'm talkingabout.
They have to peel up the so youlike, move your hands back and
forth and it's like switches upthe numbers and then they choose
a color, and then you do thatand then choose a number or
whatever, and you count fourtimes and then they peel it up
and it's oh yeah, where it'slike the um.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
I know what you're talking about.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Yes, it's the little paper thing that has like the
four different corners and yeah,yeah yeah, so, um, I used
australia used to be my pick,but I was like where do you want
to live, australia?
I always say australia.
That's probably because of hughjackman, though except for when
I was 10, I didn't know thatsubliminally you did yes,
(04:23):
subliminally, so I can't evensay that hello, hi, hi.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
How are you guys?
It's so good to see you goodhow are you?
Speaker 1 (04:38):
good, thank you.
I'm glad we figured out thetime I know it's honestly.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
I've had that like working online time zone things
all the time, so it's just likeyeah, whatever, yes.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Yeah, well, thank you for waking up early and being
here with us.
Yes, thank you so much.
You're in.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Australia, right In Australia yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
I think that's so cool.
Emily was telling me that youlike, were like I'm going to go
to Australia and I don't have aplan, I'm just going to
Australia and I'm like I lovethis.
So that's so cool.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
Yeah, it is definitely an adventure and
experience and it's superexciting at times and then other
times it's like the moststressful thing and like what
actually am I doing?
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Yeah, no, you're like .
You're like, allowing yourselfto just follow your instinct or
you know, see what's next.
I think that's really cool,Emily.
I think we should just startOkay.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
Because I think this is interesting.
Yeah, we already did a littleintro for you, jaden, so like,
yeah, yeah, yeah, well, so Iwant to say one really quick
thing because I want to finishthat thought about Australia.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
So there is a book, I think it's called the
Untethered Soul.
Have you ever heard of this?
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Yeah, yes.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
And so he does this almost like an experiment, where
he just says yes to everythingthat comes up, yeah, okay, so
you don't talk about and, andthat made me think of that.
I was like, oh, and all theseyou know things come up in his
life and he does all thesedifferent things, but I just
think that I don't know.
I think that's so cool.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
I think you've done that before.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Jaden yeah, after I graduated from university I
moved to New Zealand and didn'tknow anyone and that was
different than coming toAustralia a little bit, because
I just had no expectations or noidea what I was doing.
(06:36):
So it almost felt like I wasable to drop into that flow
state and allow things, thingsand people, the right situations
to come to me.
And then it's been interestingcoming to Australia because I
have this whole load ofexpectations, because everyone's
told me how much I'd love it.
I've been like thinking aboutit and it's been on my radar for
(07:00):
the last two years and now Ihave an online business, so I
have it's.
It's almost felt like I'vebrought more baggage as I've
come here and it's caused somuch more resistance and things
that haven't been flowing reallythe first few months that I've
been here, and so that's beenlike such and I could feel that
resistance and I knew that thatwas going to be a block.
(07:22):
But you kind of have to justlike let it play out.
And yeah, and I went home for amonth, saw family reset and had
this like aha moment of Iactually love where I'm from and
it's okay if I go home, andbefore it was like going home's
not an option because you'reliving this adventurous life and
(07:46):
you love it more over in thesouthern hemisphere and like
these, this kind of story Icreated and so, yeah, I went
home and I was like, actuallyI'm excited to move home and to
be a little bit more grounded inthe things that I do and the
people like I have a network anda community already built in
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home and that is actually sobeautiful to have.
So, coming back, I have stillseven months on my visa and I'm
like I just need to embrace thisexperience for what it is and
have more fun and see moreplaces and be working in my
passion actually, and not takinglike scarcity jobs or in that
(08:27):
scarcity mindset of time.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Oh, that is so helpful.
Yeah, the second round, feellighter.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Yeah, oh, my goodness .
Speaker 1 (08:37):
That's so good, I can I also like I can relate to you
when you were like the likegoing home thing.
It's like you can't do that,because before I, after I
graduated high school, I wentand I was like a camp counselor
and then this is like where Ilike met Jake and all that stuff
.
But I was like I am moving toNew York, like I am moving to
(08:58):
New York, I'm getting out ofthis small little town of parish
and like I'm gonna do all thesecrazy things and whatever.
And I was like this is what I'mgonna do.
I had like I and like I'm gonnado all these crazy things and
whatever, and I was like this iswhat I'm gonna do.
I had like I knew where I wasgonna live, like I was like I'll
figure it out.
And after I graduated, and likeI was like out of being a
(09:18):
counselor and I was in love withJake, I went to New York and I
was like I do not want to livehere.
I was like I want to be home sobad I miss my mom.
I was I remember calling youmom like I was in a Barnes and
Noble and I was like I don'tthink I can live in New York and
(09:39):
like it's just too far, like Ihave a community of people.
But I had made up this thing inmy head of, well, if I stay in
Parrish, florida, then I haven'tdone these things.
And then as I have grown, I'mlike I actually really love
living in Florida and like Ithink I would want to start a
(10:02):
family in Florida and I'm likebut I want to travel and like
that those two things can existat the same time.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
So I think it's really cool that you went home
and like had that peace, yeah,yeah, and that's such a
beautiful experience too, andyou can go home and still have
the adventurous like fill, thatseeking void of.
Yeah, like you said, travel,travel, coming to the retreat,
like that stuff is so, soexciting to do at our age yeah,
any age all the time, yeah keepdoing I've traveled more in the
(10:37):
last 10 years than I definitelyever have yeah so just a lot,
it's been wonderful, it it'sbeen beautiful, so yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Yeah, okay.
Well, I am so excited to haveyou, jaden, to talk like about
what you I just feel like youhave so much knowledge about
like cyclical living and I thinkit has just like completely
changed.
I mean, it's changed me sincewe were in Bali, changed me.
(11:07):
Since we were in Bali.
I was telling Jaden, um how,when we were in Bali, she like
was like okay, I have this likecycle tracker, like you're gonna
do it on paper, like I knowthat sounds crazy because we've
got all these apps.
And in my head then I was likeokay, like yeah, I'll try it,
like I'll try anything I hadvery irregular, heavy,
uncomfortable, and when I, eversince I've been home, like
(11:27):
literally I have all of my cycletrackers like right here.
And it is like a religious thingthat I do every morning, like I
track my cycle on my cycletracker that way, and it is
really it's just been wild tosee my cycle evolve and just
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being in tune with it, how muchthat changes it.
So I want, I would love for youto like share just kind of like
your experience of how you gotinto this, like how you've been
able to like grow and like learnand like how it's come from
experiences from you as well.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Yeah, yeah for sure.
So, firstly, nothing makes memore excited than hearing that
people are cycle tracking andthe changes and the difference
that they felt in.
Yeah, thank you, yeah.
So my experience started when Iwas very young.
(12:29):
I was put on birth control at avery young age.
I was put on the insulin on thebar in my arm and I really the
gynecologist that I went to gosee she was very much in her
(12:52):
masculine energy and I feel likeI was put on birth control out
of fear and out of easy, likethat was the thing to do and um,
and I knew it didn't feel right.
And after she told me thatspotting can be very common with
this type of birth control.
So after three months I wasstill spotting.
(13:14):
I went back to her.
She was like, oh, I would waitmaybe a few more months, that
like that's kind of the nextphase of women that still
experience that spotting, thatlong phase of women that still
experience that spotting thatlong.
So again, three months went by,went back, still she didn't
take it out.
So, after nine months ofspotting almost every day from.
I can't remember if I was.
(13:47):
I'm pretty sure I was 13 or 14.
I finally, I was like about tocut it out myself and went back
and got it out, and this was ata time of I never fully had a
regular cycle, before I was evenput on birth control.
My cycles were, like you know,quite long still, which is super
normal.
When you start having yourperiods.
It takes your body a while tolearn that, to adjust.
How old were you when you gotyour period?
Speaker 2 (14:01):
It takes your body a while to learn that natural
rhythm To adjust.
How old were you when you gotyour period?
Speaker 3 (14:05):
I think I was 12.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
12.
Okay, so I mean so, like itjust a little while and then it
automatically.
Let's put you on birth control.
Wow, yes.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
Yep, and this was also at a time where I was in.
I was in a five-yearrelationship from middle school
all through high school, andthis is a time where you're
coming into your body, you'relearning about your body, you're
learning about boys and thiswhole human experience and I
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felt disgusting in my bodybecause I was spotting every day
and I didn't know what washappening and it felt like this
foreign object in my body sothat I can trace back.
I didn't realize that washappening then but looking back
(14:58):
I'm like that is what started abig disconnection in my body and
a big mistrust in my body.
After I got that out, I was onthe pill and I kind of came in
and out of that often because itjust again didn't feel right.
I wasn't one of those girls thatwas excited to be on the pill
and want to take it religiously,and as I then went to college I
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was like I feel like Icompletely stopped taking it and
then I just never got my periodback.
So I actually lost my periodfor six years when I wasn't on
birth control.
But it was actually a lot mostof my teen life that I didn't
have a regular period, causewhen you're on the pill, it's
not your natural bleed, it's afake period.
(15:43):
So I never really had a naturalcycle and that during college,
those days I was like, oh, thisis great, I don't have to have a
period, and so that time Ididn't really care, but there
was definitely this inklinginside me that was saying that
that's not normal.
And it was actually my dad thattold me and he I so vividly
(16:09):
remember this him being likewell, if you don't have a period
, you can't have kids.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
And do you want?
Speaker 3 (16:15):
to have kids and that is what like really like stuck
for me.
I was like, oh my gosh, yeah Ido and having like a male
perspective I don't know why afather like my father saying
that that really clicked for meand so and so all this time, my
biggest passion is health andwellness and fitness and
nutrition, like I've always beensuper into that.
(16:37):
So all of these years, like I'vebeen doing my own research,
going down rabbit holes oftrying to be the healthiest that
I can be, and at the same time,is when I developed an
obsession an unhealthy obsessionwith nutrition and with
exercise, because I would do somuch research that I would know
exactly how many calories are ineach food and exactly what it's
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doing to my body, and so itbecame very unhealthy and that
disconnect that developed atthat young age had turned into
wanting to seek love by havingthe perfect body and by having
the six pack abs and being thefittest and that height, like
I'm also, was quite a highachiever and you know, and so
(17:23):
all of these things.
And then not having a periodand not being connected to my
feminine energy developed into afull-blown eating disorder,
exercise addiction.
I was doing HIIT training everysingle day and my mind was, I
remember, like my planner waslike, scheduled out to the hour.
And you know, through thosecollege days, high stress, also
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drinking alcohol like a fullrecipe for not having your
period.
And it's like it's beautifullooking back, cause it's like my
body couldn't.
It was barely taking, it was insurvival mode, taking care of
me.
Of course, it's not going togrow a baby, so that's, we're
going to just shut thereproductive system off, and
that's what happens in womenthat have lost their period or
(18:07):
it's super irregular.
Often it's from stress, andstress can come in different,
many different forms and it'sour body just being like we're
not safe enough right now tohave a baby.
So we're just going to put apause on the reproductive system
and focus on digesting andmoving.
So yeah that that.
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I experienced all of that duringcollege and was just super numb
.
I don't think I really evercried.
I was just like this, likehappy.
I remember like my college daysI really enjoyed, but I just
didn't have a lot of emotionsand nothing really bothered me
and nothing really too muchexcited me.
Nothing really too much excitedme.
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And so it was my last year andI knew that I wanted to.
It was this intuitive callingthat I needed an adventure, I
needed to change my environment.
A couple of different friendshad told me about New Zealand
and getting a holiday work visathere, which I had never heard
of.
And when they told me that itwas something like, my intuition
was like, yes, we're doing that.
And within a month I hadplanned it and left to New
Zealand and that was changing mywhole environment is what
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really allowed me to go deeperand initiate that deeper
self-discovery.
And so then COVID happened.
I ended up becoming a yogateacher and then I hired my own
menstrual cycle coach.
I was following this woman whoI listened to all of her
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podcasts, learned so much fromher.
She was a menstrual cycle coach, and so it was this also
knowing of like I deservesupport through this and I am
inviting others to help mebecause I can't do this myself
anymore.
And that's when I got it backregularly and set off this
(20:02):
journey of wanting to be thatsupport for other women as well,
for other women as well.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Yeah, wow, that is.
That's really an unbelievablestory.
And also like speaks to I don'tknow it.
Just I'm, I'm listening and I'mthinking.
I mean like actually my periodis over, like I'm in the move
beyond um or past or whatever itwhich is not.
I don't think we talk aboutthat Like.
(20:29):
I don't think we talk about likewhat menopause looks like what
that looks like as far ashormonally, like just the just a
lot of it.
But when you were saying that,even about, like, I hated taking
birth control pills, it made meso bloated and so uncomfortable
with my own body and I feltangry, like I was really easily
angered, and um, when I stoppedtaking it.
(21:15):
I took it for 10 years and thenI stopped taking it to get
pregnant with Emily and I waslike, oh it for you know, not to
have a baby and um, and I feltlike it was always like every 28
days at one o'clock in theafternoon, like it was almost
like that for me.
Um, it went back to to beingnormal.
It was like off and on,sometimes really heavy and long,
lasted long, but, but, but itwas still very like regular, but
the it.
I just I'm like I'm nevertaking this again because it
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makes me feel so bad, and so I,I never did.
I never took it again and Ididn't do any hormone
replacement as an older personas well, because I was so
worried about what had happenedwhen I took the pill, because I
was so worried about what hadhappened when I took the pill,
so so, but then you know youdon't.
(21:59):
You're like, well, now you'vegot osteopenia and you also have
dry skin and your hair andeverything else about your body
is like so it's kind of crazy.
So I feel like I have a millionquestions for you.
As far as I mean, I don't evenknow if you talk, ever talk
about that, like do we still gothrough cycles, like when you're
at post menopause?
Like what does that look likeat different stages of your life
?
Like I feel like I have amillion questions.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
Yeah, there's so much within that as well.
I haven't.
I've been inspired to learnmore about it, as my mom has.
She's in menopause now, but shereally struggled through
perimenopause and so I've been alot more interested in that.
And yes, so many women thathave been in perimenopause or
have gone through menopause askthose same exact questions, and
(22:42):
it's really frustrating.
And so what's hormonallyhappening as you enter
perimenopause and menopause isyou're basically kind of stuck
in that luteal phase, so thatphase after we ovulate, in our
hormones you're just a lot moreneutral, and so we're not having
the rise of estrogen and thenthe fall of it and the rise of
(23:03):
progesterone and then the fallof it, and so that's what then
causes a lot of the hot flashesthe change in weight, the hair,
the skin, everything your bodyis.
You're having a new bodilyexperience, and all of those
symptoms are common but notnecessarily normal and not what
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we want women to just expect.
That that's what they're goingto have to go through as they go
through paramenopause andmenopause.
I believe that there's so many,and this is the same
conversation if we're talkingabout menopause or if we're
talking about someone that ishaving a natural cycle, but with
all of those similar symptomsis there's so many lifestyle
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things that we can do to supportthose hormones and to limit how
drastic we're feeling thosesymptoms.
So we could do probably do awhole podcast on perimenopause
and menopause, but I think theso many women it's so
frustrating and it sounds sofrustrating and that's why I
(24:10):
think yeah, perry, menopause wasmuch worse.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
I mean, I don't have the hot flashes anymore, so
thank goodness.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
And.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
I thought I was.
I felt like killing people,Like I was just so mad all the
time I mean I got divorced, Icould change jobs.
It was a bad, it was a brutaltime, for sure.
I feel like a different personnow, so I definitely feel more
level.
This is the most level I'veever been in my life, because I
was very up and down pretty muchsince childhood.
(24:38):
But um, but I just sometimeseven wonder do you still kind of
go through like a cycle, eventhough your hormones yeah Okay?
Speaker 3 (24:47):
Yes, yeah, and so just quickly, like that's just
proof of how much our hormonesdictate our mood and that, like,
just that is so important torealize.
But, yes, so everyone is acyclical being, so we all go
through cycles.
Men go through 24 hour hormonalcycle, women in our earlier
(25:10):
years go through a 28 day cycleand women in menopause you are
still cyclical, so we still haverises and falls of different
hormones and a little bit of our, you know, estrogen and
progesterone.
It's just not following thesame cycle that it would if we
were in our childbearing years,but, most importantly, it would
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if we were in our childbearingyears.
But, most importantly, we, ourbody, still goes through these
rhythms and we can still livecyclically.
And this is where I bring in thewhole conversation of tracking
with the moon and because andthis is what so I actually
worked with my mom for a fewmonths to, as she was going
through menopause, to track withthe moon and she's cycle tracks
and stuff, which is really cool, um, and she's, and, as she's
(25:55):
entered this new phase of life,she's discovered so much more
about her body that she didn'tknow before.
Um, and so the the uh, kind ofa brief explanation and intro
into moon tracking is the moongoes through a 29.5 day cycle
and our you know the averagemenstrual cycle is 28 ish days.
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The moon has four phases thatit goes through.
We have four phases that we gothrough and it's that darkness.
The new moon would replicateour menstrual phase.
So it's that complete darkness.
It's that void period thatrelease and then more light
comes into the sky and thatmimics our follicular phase that
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energy, that estrogen rising,growing those follicles, and
then it's a full moon and that'sovulation time.
So you can kind of think of,like we always hear the stories
of oh, it's a full moon, thehospital's going crazy,
everyone's going crazy yeah, andit's that universal energy is a
lot just like amplified andstronger, and so that mimics our
(27:00):
ovulatory phase, when we're alot like that's our peak hormone
, okay, so we're out there andwe're like that's where we want
to reproduce, calling a matebecause our egg is ready to go,
and then, you know, and then itgets, so after the new moon we
go into the waning moon and thesky starts to get darker and
(27:23):
that mimics our luteal phase, aswe're starting to come down
from the high and starting tokind of wrap things up.
And if we think about how, likethe moon controls the tide of
our entire, of the entire earthand we're made of 70% water of
course it's going to have a hugeimpact on our body.
And so, when it comes tomenopause and thinking about
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this, I think it's so importantto keep that feminine cycle and
to keep that growing andreleasing, that coming up and
coming down, because each newcycle of the moon, of your own
cycle, is an opportunity to growand for new beginnings and then
to wrap things up and release,and so that's instinctual in our
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bodies.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
I really love that.
That makes so much sense to me.
That is like I feel like I'mlike yes, that, no wonder I I
feel that way, like in, like,intuitively, like I'm like
gearing up and then it feelslike really, and then it's like
okay, step back.
I don't know like I understandwhat you're saying.
I think that's so interesting.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
Sorry, sorry, emily I'm not giving you any chance to
even talk no, I think that thisis such an important
conversation, I'm like keepgoing.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
Yeah, and what you said of like intuitively you get
that is because that's thatwisdom is within us and as we
tap more into our cycle, thatwisdom that women have had for
years and years and years startto come out.
I mean, women used to all bleedtogether and they would bleed
together to support their like.
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That was part of their village,that was part of the tribe, is
to go through this and itmatched with the masculine of
the hunting and the gatheringand so and the different seasons
they went through.
So that's, that's where westill are, and we have so much
going on in our worlds todaythat it's a lot to come back to
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that no, definitely.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
So you recommend like still tracking to the moon,
like okay, yeah, I want to learnmore about that.
I I'm sure you have likeresources and things to check
out, but I also am curious, likesome of the things that you
said that you can do like anatural, like behaviors, things
that you can change, that helpwith those types of things I
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want.
I want to hear more about thattoo.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
Yeah, yeah.
So that is so I'm going to justshare like the biggest ones
that I recommend for all women.
But then there's lots of.
Depending on the person, it canbe so individualized and so
specific to your unique life.
The biggest thing is addressingstress.
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So stress in the form ofexercise, emotional stress, all
of that stress in the form ofexercise, emotional stress, all
of that For my experience, theHIIT training is HIIT is not
made for women, hiit is made formales.
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And if you're doing that allthe time, then you're stressing
out your body and you'reactually especially in that
luteal phase and the menstrualphase.
So before you bleed and on yourbleed, your body is wanting
rest and it's going more intothat like survival mode.
And so if you're doing, ifyou're having a lot of stress
let's just talk about stress ingeneral our body is turning on
fat storage.
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If we're not eating enough orfor exercising too much, and if
we're mentally and emotionallystressed, our body is going to
hold on to fat because it'sthinks it's in survival mode and
it's also going to show a lotof the other symptoms that we're
experiencing.
So stress is the number onething to address, and things to
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help with that is how we eat,how we move.
Yoga meditation has changed andsaved my life.
I would say, and I'll be inlike a yin class and start to
feel my stomach just likereadjust and settle and these
muscles readjust and settle, andyou don't get that in a normal
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yoga class.
You don't get that in adifferent workout.
It's really like our bodyrarely gets that time to fully
tap into that yin zone and relaxand heal.
So giving our body time to healis really important.
So then that leads to are wegetting enough sleep?
Sleep is so important for women, getting eight hours at least
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of deep sleep.
And then there's all thelifestyle habits and things we
could talk about that promotehealthy sleep that we could talk
about later, but that's a bigone.
The other thing is making surethat we are getting enough
calories and of all the vitaminsand nutrients that our cycle
needs.
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So, especially, a big lifestylechange that I recommend for all
women is getting 25 to 35,preferably 35 grams of protein
first thing in the morning, anda lot of women.
This could even lead into theconversation of fasting and
intermittent fasting.
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If you're dealing with a slewof symptoms and you have an
irregular cycle, don't fast.
Don't do HIIT training.
Skip that until your body is ina healthier place.
For women in menopause, thereis more benefits of fasting.
So that just asterisk note onthat.
Um, but eating a big enoughsavory breakfast in the morning
(32:58):
that has enough protein, thathas enough fat to yeah, so
you're not going into a bloodsugar spike first thing in the
morning.
And that leads into the wholeother conversation.
And another huge thing Irecommend is to learn about
blood sugar balancing, becausethat is when we're eating lots
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of sugar and just that we'rejust having carbs, or if we're
just even having coffee firstthing in the morning, our body
goes into this spike, in thisalmost nervous zone of like I
need to do something with allthis glucose that I just took in
, and then it leads to a hugecrash, and so that's why a lot
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of women will feel men and womenblood sugar balancing is, for
both genders, very important.
That's why a lot of women willfeel men and women blood sugar
balancing is, for both genders,very important.
That's why a lot of people willfeel hungry or tired after they
just ate, or that three or fouro'clock time is because we
started our day on an emptystomach and caffeine, and so our
body went into overdrive firstthing and now it's like needs
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rest.
So, learning about blood sugarbalancing and there's a million
really good resources Irecommend learning from the
glucose goddess.
Just listen to a couple of herpodcasts.
Look at her Instagram page.
She has so many amazing tipsand she's not about don't eat
the cake.
It's about if you are going tohave the cake.
Do these things before andafter to go for a walk, after
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have apple cider vinegar or agreen salad before, so your body
doesn't have those big spikes.
And that's what's so importantis that we're not restricting
ourselves, we're not cuttingthings out.
We're actually bringing in morehealthy habits around that.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
Yeah, that's really good, that's interesting.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
Yeah yeah, that's really good, that's interesting,
yeah yeah.
And then number one thingbefore all of that is I say
cycle track because that's theintro and the opportunity to any
excitement, to start learningabout yourself and noticing what
symptoms are showing up, whichhabits are actually working and
what isn't.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
Yeah, it is honestly so cool just to see, like the
change in your body when you dostart cycle tracking.
Like it sounds like it's like,oh, you're going to track it and
nothing's going to change.
But it does Like, it genuinelydoes.
Like I remember, like when wemet in Bali, I at that point,
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like my cycles were like 42 dayslong and that was like kind of
average.
Sometimes it would be longer,sometimes it would be shorter.
It was very inconsistent anduncomfortable and I, when I got
home and I started consistentlytracking, like I haven't had a
cycle longer than 32 days, likethen, and that's like huge for
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me because like and I also likeevery time I've had my cycle, I
haven't bled for more than fivedays.
I used to bleed for like eightor nine days and it would be so
rough, like I'm like it's solong that I'm like in this cycle
and I'm like bleeding for liketwo weeks.
It felt like so it it's justit's crazy how, just like that
(36:14):
small change that you can makethat doesn't take very long,
like it's like maybe a couple ofminutes every day is already
going to shift things for you.
And even like learning aboutthe, the blood sugar balancing
stuff.
I started working with Katiewhen I came home from the
retreat and Katie is an expertin gut health and she was
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teaching me about that kind ofstuff.
And my number one thing waslike I was always so tired, like
I'm like I'm just like alwaystired, I'm like I'm only 24.
Like why am I tired all thetime?
And she's like well, likeyou're starting your day like
with like your blood sugar, justlike going straight up, and
like you're not getting enoughprotein and I.
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One of the things I did when Iwas working with her was I
basically ate like lunch forbreakfast and then like I would
have like a breakfast for kindof like dinner.
And it made a huge difference.
I was like, wow, like I feel somuch better, like I feel like I
can get through the day likewithout feeling like I like need
to like fall over and fallasleep.
(37:25):
Like it was just it's justcrazy how some of those things
like we're not taught that onlike a day-to-day, like we're
not taught that in school, likeit's something you basically,
especially as a woman, like youhave to learn through going
through something shitty whichlike is so frustrating to me and
(37:46):
like is something that I knowso many women are like I'm
struggling with this and thisand they'll go to a doctor and
they're like, well, it's normal.
Like it's not normal, likewe're just not learning about
what we can do to make thisbetter and to prevent the, the
main problem, instead of justlike throwing pills and stuff at
(38:09):
the symptoms that you get fromit.
So, yeah, I just went on a realrampage there, but it just
really gets me amped.
Speaker 3 (38:17):
It's so important because that exact situation
like what you've experiencedwhat you're experiencing is 90%
of women at some point in theirlife.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
Yeah, so for sure.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, sointeresting.
Okay, so you start with withthe cycle tracking.
Everyone does.
Speaker 3 (38:38):
Yeah, and and it's kind of like the secret, the
depth behind of like that.
And so I at retreat and what Irecommend for all women is to
use a written cycle trackerBecause, like Emily said,
there's so many amazing apps outthere and they are getting
better every single day, whichis exciting, and I believe using
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a written cycle tracker is animportant invitation to really
like more deeply check in withyourself, and I just have on the
prompt, like how do you feel?
And so what it really is isit's an invitation to tap into
your intuition.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
This is what it looks like.
Speaker 3 (39:20):
Yes, I love that definitely, and to actually like
tune in and realize whatemotions, what physical things
you can include, what you didthat day or like things that are
significant on there.
But what it really is is it'san opportunity to check in with
yourself.
Yeah, so it's not even aboutthe habits right away, it's just
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that moment of checking in withyourself, because that's
something that we skip every daya lot of times in the busy
world.
No, for sure I agree and also Iactually think it's really smart
to do it on paper.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
Yes, what's what?
Where we are kind of in theworld, at least in america, and
the things that are going on,like we don't need everyone to
know our um cycle.
Speaker 3 (40:04):
So yeah, it's the most intimate thing to us.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
Yeah, for sure, for sure mean it doesn't need to be
regulated or just, you know,observed by other people, and so
I think having it on paper issmart.
Yeah, I will.
Speaker 3 (40:21):
Thank you, no, sorry.
And the other, like main reasonthat is exactly leading into
what you said is we give ourpower away every day to give you
prompts, or like this is howyou, oh, you're on day 24.
(40:51):
This is, these are symptoms thatyou're probably feeling, or
this is how you're probablyfeeling, and it gives you a list
of symptoms to track, which isit can be helpful when you don't
know exactly what to notice atfirst, but after that, um, but
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after that I think it's it.
It's causing a disconnect ofwhat you're actually
experiencing, because in, like,I teach cyclical living, so
sinking your life, the yourexercise, your movement, how you
spend your energy and theawareness of the four different
phases of our cycle, and so Iteach that and I am very teach
that and I think it's superimportant.
It's what helped me get myperiod back.
(41:32):
And the big asterisk with thatis it's general, it's
generalized, and you could befeeling completely different
than someone else on their day24, or you could have just lost
a family member, or lost yourjob, or just had the most
exciting thing in your lifehappen, and that's going to
impact our hormones and our moodand our body just as much.
(41:53):
So that's why cycle tracking isyour personalized.
It's kind of like your journal,yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
Yeah, that's really cool, I love that.
Speaker 1 (42:02):
Yeah.
And even like I think like withthe, because I used to use the
apps, I was like, all right,I'll try all the different apps
that there are.
And like you're saying, likethose symptoms that they give
you, like you're like you kindof just go through and tick them
off, like as like okay, yeah,yeah, yeah, I experienced this.
But it is a different sense oflike knowing yourself and kind
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of like what we were talkingabout with Caroline is like it's
bringing that awareness to whatyou're experiencing on your own
, like you are truly being awareof that, without something
having to tell you what you'refeeling
like you're able to acknowledgeit and like be like this is what
I'm feeling and like one thingthat I have started doing, like
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with mine, is that like at theend of the month, like I go
through and like I highlight um,like where I've said like I'm
tired and like where I've saidlike that I'm like really happy
or like excited or joyful, andlike over like the months, like
the tiredness highlight has likegone down hi kobe, that's cute.
(43:08):
Um and the like, the happinessand excitement and like like
energy has gone up.
So, like it just there's justdifferent things that you can,
you can notice when you're doingit, when a you, a human who
knows yourself better thananyone, is tracking it.
Speaker 2 (43:28):
Yeah, that's a really good point.
Yeah, that's so helpful.
Okay, so where can people findyou, like?
Where can they get moreinformation about this?
Can they like?
Where are they find?
Where do they?
Where do I find you?
Speaker 3 (43:43):
Yes, yeah, so my business is called Find your
Flow.
Yes, yeah, so my business iscalled Find your Flow, and
(44:08):
that's where I support womenthrough one-on-one and I work
with women for like three to sixmonths, or I'm soon to be
launching a group coachingprogram for six weeks starting
November 1st, and then also outof find your flow is where I run
retreats with my friend,caroline, who you'll hear on the
podcast as well, and so findyour flowspace is my website on
Instagram.
If you just search, find yourflow there and it's like find
period, flow period.
And I'll have it linked belowso my Instagram and website is
(44:29):
the best way to find me allright, that's great.
Speaker 2 (44:33):
Yeah, do you want to do the lightning round?
And?
Speaker 1 (44:35):
yeah, yeah.
So we have um just threequestions for you that are like
our lightning round questionsare a little more like fun and
not on topic so um first one ison a scale of one to ten.
How good of a driver are you?
Speaker 3 (44:55):
um, if I'm alone, probably like a six.
Speaker 2 (44:59):
If I'm with other people, a nine oh okay, wow,
yeah, wow, that's, that's reallyhonest greeting.
Speaker 3 (45:08):
Don't ask me why.
Speaker 1 (45:13):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (45:18):
That's funny.
Okay, who was your first?
Speaker 2 (45:20):
celebrity crush oh, Channing Tatum.
Oh, very cute.
Speaker 3 (45:21):
Absolutely.
What is the movie with thesoccer?
The soccer, oh my gosh gosh.
Speaker 2 (45:30):
Yeah, I have no idea movie with us.
Speaker 1 (45:32):
Wait now I have to like and amanda vines oh, oh.
Speaker 3 (45:39):
We would watch that every sleepover when I was a kid
that was so funny oh my goshdriving crazy.
But yes, channing Tatum handsdown.
Speaker 2 (45:48):
Channing Tatum, that's funny.
All right, still, probably isso what would you tell yourself
your 18-year-old?
If you could talk to your18-year-old self, what advice
would you give her?
Speaker 3 (46:02):
I would tell her to take a really long, deep exhale,
to take a really long, deepexhale.
And I would tell her that thepresent moment is the most
important moment, and thinkingabout what you should be doing
or what time you're going towake up tomorrow, or these big
(46:25):
dreams and life vision can wait,and that it's all going to work
out.
And I would tell her howbeautiful her body is and how
capable it is and how it cangrow, how it can run up
mountains and swim throughoceans.
Speaker 2 (46:45):
Yeah, oh, I love that .
Me too.
It's so good through oceans.
Speaker 1 (46:48):
yeah, yeah, oh, I love that me too, beautiful good
, oh, jaden, thank you so muchfor being on the podcast.
I'm so glad that you're hereyou're welcome.
Speaker 3 (46:57):
I love this too.
This just it gives me so muchenergy and it's really it feels
so good in my body to reconnectwith you and talk to you about
this, like you are absolutelyglowing and it's so beautiful in
my body to reconnect with youand talk to you about this, like
you are absolutely glowing andit's so beautiful that you guys
are doing a podcast together.
I think that mother-daughterconnection is that is a whole
(47:18):
other topic.
When I talk about the menstrualcycle and feminine energy and
empowerment, is thatmother-daughter connection and
how much wisdom is sharedbetween the two.
And so hearing that you guyshave a podcast together honestly
makes me so, so happy and youguys are sharing so many
(47:40):
beautiful, authentic lessons andexperiences.
So thank you.
Speaker 2 (47:45):
Thank you, that's very sweet.
It was so nice to meet you too.
Speaker 3 (47:49):
Yeah, yeah, you as well Also we'll have to do this
again.
Speaker 1 (47:52):
She's the man.
She's the man.
Yes, she's the man, the man.
Speaker 3 (47:56):
Yeah, oh my goodness, yes, how could I forget?
Speaker 1 (47:59):
Sorry, I just had to share that because I knew it was
going to bother you.
Speaker 3 (48:03):
Yeah, thank you.
And like one last thing that Ireally want to highlight with
the importance of thisconversation and this work is
there's.
we often talk about the negativethings around our cycle and the
really uncomfortable symptomsthat we experience, but there's
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a whole other side of thisconversation that we haven't
even tapped into today, of thestrengths and the beautiful
things that we experience ateach different phase of our
cycle that men don't get.
And so when we learn how tolive in sync with our cycle, we
learn to optimize our lifebecause we have these different
strengths and to learn and totap into that.
And that is the huge, that'sthe most important, I think
topic with this of femaleempowerment is it's well, fuck,
(48:55):
you're so lucky to be female andto be cyclical and to have a
period.
It's a sign of health, it's asign of vitality, and so the
more we can kind of balancethose hormones, the more that we
get to live into those reallybeautiful strengths that we have
.
Speaker 2 (49:10):
Yeah, that was good.
I'm glad that we.
Yeah, I'm glad you said thatyeah.
Speaker 3 (49:17):
All right, yeah, thank you guys.
Speaker 2 (49:20):
Have a beautiful evening, thank you.
Thank you you too, and goodmorning, yeah, thank you.
Yeah, it's like early morning.
Speaker 3 (49:29):
Yeah, have a good day .
Have a good day, this is thebest way to start it.
So, thank you, thank you.
Hey, welcome to Mind your Heart Podcast, your
favorite corner of the internetwhere we chat about all things
mental health.
I'm Emily.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
And I'm Trina.
Together, we're like yourreal-life Lorelai and Rory
Gilmore.
Each week, we'll bring you realconversations about the world
of mental health and we willpeel back layers on topics like
anxiety, depression and muchmore.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
We're here to chat with you about the tough stuff,
the everyday stuff andeverything in between.
So grab your emotional supportwater bottle I know we have ours
.
Find your comfiest chair orkeep your eyes on the road and
let's get into it.
Are you ready, mom?
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Absolutely.
Join us as we mind our heartsand hopefully make minding yours
a little easier.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Welcome back to another episode of Mind your
Heart.
Welcome back, hi.
Today we have another reallyspecial guest.
Jaden is going to be joining ustoday on Mind your Heart and I
am so excited to have her.
We talked, we actuallymentioned her a couple times in
(01:07):
the previous episode.
So if you listen to our lastepisode of Mind your Heart with
Caroline, then you have a littlesneak peek of an idea of Jaden
coming on.
So Jaden and I actually metvirtually before I made the
decision to go to Bali.
She was the person thatbasically solidified it for me.
(01:29):
I was like yep, I'm going toBali, this is it.
She was the only person that Italked to face-to-face on a Zoom
before I got there.
So everybody else at theretreat I did not know.
So anyways, jaden, she is justso knowledgeable when it comes
(01:51):
to cyclical living, so I'mreally, really excited to have
her talk a little bit about,like menstrual cycles and like
when it comes to what that lookslike in all different stages of
life.
So she is a retreat host,obviously.
She works as a menstrual cyclecoach and she's also a yoga
(02:13):
teacher.
She helps women understandtheir menstrual cycle and live
cyclically.
Jaden is passionate aboutempowering women by showing them
the beautiful strengths theircycle holds and how to heal
hormonal imbalances throughsimple lifestyle changes.
She's also passionate abouttravel and living a life of
freedom and adventure, which issuch a good way to describe her
(02:37):
because she's currently inAustralia right now.
When we were in Bali, Iremember her being like yeah,
I'm just going to move toAustralia and I was like that's.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
I love, love, cool yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
And I was like so, like what's the plan?
She was like there's no plan,Like I have literally no plan.
I don't know where I'm going tolive, like I'm just I bought
the one way ticket and yes thatis so cool.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Yes, that is so cool yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Yeah, it's really cool so and she's done that with
, I think, a couple other thingslike other times before and
she's like just she's had somereally cool experiences, so
excited to have Jaden on today.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Yeah, me too, I can't , That'll be.
Yeah, I'm.
I'm very, really fascinated bythat.
Also, australia is was theplace that I have always wanted
to go to Australia and it's onwhen I was a kid and we would do
those silly.
What are those things the?
It was like like cootiecatchers.
That was called the little youlike flip, flop, flip, and then
(03:39):
they have to peel up.
You don't know what I'm talkingabout.
They have to peel up the so youlike, move your hands back and
forth and it's like switches upthe numbers and then they choose
a color, and then you do thatand then choose a number or
whatever, and you count fourtimes and then they peel it up
and it's oh yeah, where it'slike the um.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
I know what you're talking about.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Yes, it's the little paper thing that has like the
four different corners and yeah,yeah yeah, so, um, I used
australia used to be my pick,but I was like where do you want
to live, australia?
I always say australia.
That's probably because of hughjackman, though except for when
I was 10, I didn't know thatsubliminally you did yes,
(04:23):
subliminally, so I can't evensay that hello, hi, hi.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
How are you guys?
It's so good to see you goodhow are you?
Speaker 1 (04:38):
good, thank you.
I'm glad we figured out thetime I know it's honestly.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
I've had that like working online time zone things
all the time, so it's just likeyeah, whatever, yes.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Yeah, well, thank you for waking up early and being
here with us.
Yes, thank you so much.
You're in.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Australia, right In Australia yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
I think that's so cool.
Emily was telling me that youlike, were like I'm going to go
to Australia and I don't have aplan, I'm just going to
Australia and I'm like I lovethis.
So that's so cool.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
Yeah, it is definitely an adventure and
experience and it's superexciting at times and then other
times it's like the moststressful thing and like what
actually am I doing?
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Yeah, no, you're like .
You're like, allowing yourselfto just follow your instinct or
you know, see what's next.
I think that's really cool,Emily.
I think we should just startOkay.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
Because I think this is interesting.
Yeah, we already did a littleintro for you, jaden, so like,
yeah, yeah, yeah, well, so Iwant to say one really quick
thing because I want to finishthat thought about Australia.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
So there is a book, I think it's called the
Untethered Soul.
Have you ever heard of this?
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Yeah, yes.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
And so he does this almost like an experiment, where
he just says yes to everythingthat comes up, yeah, okay, so
you don't talk about and, andthat made me think of that.
I was like, oh, and all theseyou know things come up in his
life and he does all thesedifferent things, but I just
think that I don't know.
I think that's so cool.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
I think you've done that before.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Jaden yeah, after I graduated from university I
moved to New Zealand and didn'tknow anyone and that was
different than coming toAustralia a little bit, because
I just had no expectations or noidea what I was doing.
(06:36):
So it almost felt like I wasable to drop into that flow
state and allow things, thingsand people, the right situations
to come to me.
And then it's been interestingcoming to Australia because I
have this whole load ofexpectations, because everyone's
told me how much I'd love it.
I've been like thinking aboutit and it's been on my radar for
(07:00):
the last two years and now Ihave an online business, so I
have it's.
It's almost felt like I'vebrought more baggage as I've
come here and it's caused somuch more resistance and things
that haven't been flowing reallythe first few months that I've
been here, and so that's beenlike such and I could feel that
resistance and I knew that thatwas going to be a block.
(07:22):
But you kind of have to justlike let it play out.
And yeah, and I went home for amonth, saw family reset and had
this like aha moment of Iactually love where I'm from and
it's okay if I go home, andbefore it was like going home's
not an option because you'reliving this adventurous life and
(07:46):
you love it more over in thesouthern hemisphere and like
these, this kind of story Icreated and so, yeah, I went
home and I was like, actuallyI'm excited to move home and to
be a little bit more grounded inthe things that I do and the
people like I have a network anda community already built in
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home and that is actually sobeautiful to have.
So, coming back, I have stillseven months on my visa and I'm
like I just need to embrace thisexperience for what it is and
have more fun and see moreplaces and be working in my
passion actually, and not takinglike scarcity jobs or in that
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scarcity mindset of time.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Oh, that is so helpful.
Yeah, the second round, feellighter.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Yeah, oh, my goodness .
Speaker 1 (08:37):
That's so good, I can I also like I can relate to you
when you were like the likegoing home thing.
It's like you can't do that,because before I, after I
graduated high school, I wentand I was like a camp counselor
and then this is like where Ilike met Jake and all that stuff
.
But I was like I am moving toNew York, like I am moving to
(08:58):
New York, I'm getting out ofthis small little town of parish
and like I'm gonna do all thesecrazy things and whatever.
And I was like this is what I'mgonna do.
I had like I and like I'm gonnado all these crazy things and
whatever, and I was like this iswhat I'm gonna do.
I had like I knew where I wasgonna live, like I was like I'll
figure it out.
And after I graduated, and likeI was like out of being a
(09:18):
counselor and I was in love withJake, I went to New York and I
was like I do not want to livehere.
I was like I want to be home sobad I miss my mom.
I was I remember calling youmom like I was in a Barnes and
Noble and I was like I don'tthink I can live in New York and
(09:39):
like it's just too far, like Ihave a community of people.
But I had made up this thing inmy head of, well, if I stay in
Parrish, florida, then I haven'tdone these things.
And then as I have grown, I'mlike I actually really love
living in Florida and like Ithink I would want to start a
(10:02):
family in Florida and I'm likebut I want to travel and like
that those two things can existat the same time.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
So I think it's really cool that you went home
and like had that peace, yeah,yeah, and that's such a
beautiful experience too, andyou can go home and still have
the adventurous like fill, thatseeking void of.
Yeah, like you said, travel,travel, coming to the retreat,
like that stuff is so, soexciting to do at our age yeah,
any age all the time, yeah keepdoing I've traveled more in the
(10:37):
last 10 years than I definitelyever have yeah so just a lot,
it's been wonderful, it it'sbeen beautiful, so yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Yeah, okay.
Well, I am so excited to haveyou, jaden, to talk like about
what you I just feel like youhave so much knowledge about
like cyclical living and I thinkit has just like completely
changed.
I mean, it's changed me sincewe were in Bali, changed me.
(11:07):
Since we were in Bali.
I was telling Jaden, um how,when we were in Bali, she like
was like okay, I have this likecycle tracker, like you're gonna
do it on paper, like I knowthat sounds crazy because we've
got all these apps.
And in my head then I was likeokay, like yeah, I'll try it,
like I'll try anything I hadvery irregular, heavy,
uncomfortable, and when I, eversince I've been home, like
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literally I have all of my cycletrackers like right here.
And it is like a religious thingthat I do every morning, like I
track my cycle on my cycletracker that way, and it is
really it's just been wild tosee my cycle evolve and just
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being in tune with it, how muchthat changes it.
So I want, I would love for youto like share just kind of like
your experience of how you gotinto this, like how you've been
able to like grow and like learnand like how it's come from
experiences from you as well.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Yeah, yeah for sure.
So, firstly, nothing makes memore excited than hearing that
people are cycle tracking andthe changes and the difference
that they felt in.
Yeah, thank you, yeah.
So my experience started when Iwas very young.
(12:29):
I was put on birth control at avery young age.
I was put on the insulin on thebar in my arm and I really the
gynecologist that I went to gosee she was very much in her
(12:52):
masculine energy and I feel likeI was put on birth control out
of fear and out of easy, likethat was the thing to do and um,
and I knew it didn't feel right.
And after she told me thatspotting can be very common with
this type of birth control.
So after three months I wasstill spotting.
(13:14):
I went back to her.
She was like, oh, I would waitmaybe a few more months, that
like that's kind of the nextphase of women that still
experience that spotting, thatlong phase of women that still
experience that spotting thatlong.
So again, three months went by,went back, still she didn't
take it out.
So, after nine months ofspotting almost every day from.
I can't remember if I was.
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I'm pretty sure I was 13 or 14.
I finally, I was like about tocut it out myself and went back
and got it out, and this was ata time of I never fully had a
regular cycle, before I was evenput on birth control.
My cycles were, like you know,quite long still, which is super
normal.
When you start having yourperiods.
It takes your body a while tolearn that, to adjust.
How old were you when you gotyour period?
Speaker 2 (14:01):
It takes your body a while to learn that natural
rhythm To adjust.
How old were you when you gotyour period?
Speaker 3 (14:05):
I think I was 12.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
12.
Okay, so I mean so, like itjust a little while and then it
automatically.
Let's put you on birth control.
Wow, yes.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
Yep, and this was also at a time where I was in.
I was in a five-yearrelationship from middle school
all through high school, andthis is a time where you're
coming into your body, you'relearning about your body, you're
learning about boys and thiswhole human experience and I
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felt disgusting in my bodybecause I was spotting every day
and I didn't know what washappening and it felt like this
foreign object in my body sothat I can trace back.
I didn't realize that washappening then but looking back
(14:58):
I'm like that is what started abig disconnection in my body and
a big mistrust in my body.
After I got that out, I was onthe pill and I kind of came in
and out of that often because itjust again didn't feel right.
I wasn't one of those girls thatwas excited to be on the pill
and want to take it religiously,and as I then went to college I
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was like I feel like Icompletely stopped taking it and
then I just never got my periodback.
So I actually lost my periodfor six years when I wasn't on
birth control.
But it was actually a lot mostof my teen life that I didn't
have a regular period, causewhen you're on the pill, it's
not your natural bleed, it's afake period.
(15:43):
So I never really had a naturalcycle and that during college,
those days I was like, oh, thisis great, I don't have to have a
period, and so that time Ididn't really care, but there
was definitely this inklinginside me that was saying that
that's not normal.
And it was actually my dad thattold me and he I so vividly
(16:09):
remember this him being likewell, if you don't have a period
, you can't have kids.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
And do you want?
Speaker 3 (16:15):
to have kids and that is what like really like stuck
for me.
I was like, oh my gosh, yeah Ido and having like a male
perspective I don't know why afather like my father saying
that that really clicked for meand so and so all this time, my
biggest passion is health andwellness and fitness and
nutrition, like I've always beensuper into that.
(16:37):
So all of these years, like I'vebeen doing my own research,
going down rabbit holes oftrying to be the healthiest that
I can be, and at the same time,is when I developed an
obsession an unhealthy obsessionwith nutrition and with
exercise, because I would do somuch research that I would know
exactly how many calories are ineach food and exactly what it's
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doing to my body, and so itbecame very unhealthy and that
disconnect that developed atthat young age had turned into
wanting to seek love by havingthe perfect body and by having
the six pack abs and being thefittest and that height, like
I'm also, was quite a highachiever and you know, and so
(17:23):
all of these things.
And then not having a periodand not being connected to my
feminine energy developed into afull-blown eating disorder,
exercise addiction.
I was doing HIIT training everysingle day and my mind was, I
remember, like my planner waslike, scheduled out to the hour.
And you know, through thosecollege days, high stress, also
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drinking alcohol like a fullrecipe for not having your
period.
And it's like it's beautifullooking back, cause it's like my
body couldn't.
It was barely taking, it was insurvival mode, taking care of
me.
Of course, it's not going togrow a baby, so that's, we're
going to just shut thereproductive system off, and
that's what happens in womenthat have lost their period or
(18:07):
it's super irregular.
Often it's from stress, andstress can come in different,
many different forms and it'sour body just being like we're
not safe enough right now tohave a baby.
So we're just going to put apause on the reproductive system
and focus on digesting andmoving.
So yeah that that.
(18:28):
I experienced all of that duringcollege and was just super numb
.
I don't think I really evercried.
I was just like this, likehappy.
I remember like my college daysI really enjoyed, but I just
didn't have a lot of emotionsand nothing really bothered me
and nothing really too muchexcited me.
Nothing really too much excitedme.
(18:56):
And so it was my last year andI knew that I wanted to.
It was this intuitive callingthat I needed an adventure, I
needed to change my environment.
A couple of different friendshad told me about New Zealand
and getting a holiday work visathere, which I had never heard
of.
And when they told me that itwas something like, my intuition
was like, yes, we're doing that.
And within a month I hadplanned it and left to New
Zealand and that was changing mywhole environment is what
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really allowed me to go deeperand initiate that deeper
self-discovery.
And so then COVID happened.
I ended up becoming a yogateacher and then I hired my own
menstrual cycle coach.
I was following this woman whoI listened to all of her
(19:42):
podcasts, learned so much fromher.
She was a menstrual cycle coach, and so it was this also
knowing of like I deservesupport through this and I am
inviting others to help mebecause I can't do this myself
anymore.
And that's when I got it backregularly and set off this
(20:02):
journey of wanting to be thatsupport for other women as well,
for other women as well.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Yeah, wow, that is.
That's really an unbelievablestory.
And also like speaks to I don'tknow it.
Just I'm, I'm listening and I'mthinking.
I mean like actually my periodis over, like I'm in the move
beyond um or past or whatever itwhich is not.
I don't think we talk aboutthat Like.
(20:29):
I don't think we talk about likewhat menopause looks like what
that looks like as far ashormonally, like just the just a
lot of it.
But when you were saying that,even about, like, I hated taking
birth control pills, it made meso bloated and so uncomfortable
with my own body and I feltangry, like I was really easily
angered, and um, when I stoppedtaking it.
(21:15):
I took it for 10 years and thenI stopped taking it to get
pregnant with Emily and I waslike, oh it for you know, not to
have a baby and um, and I feltlike it was always like every 28
days at one o'clock in theafternoon, like it was almost
like that for me.
Um, it went back to to beingnormal.
It was like off and on,sometimes really heavy and long,
lasted long, but, but, but itwas still very like regular, but
the it.
I just I'm like I'm nevertaking this again because it
(21:37):
makes me feel so bad, and so I,I never did.
I never took it again and Ididn't do any hormone
replacement as an older personas well, because I was so
worried about what had happenedwhen I took the pill, because I
was so worried about what hadhappened when I took the pill,
so so, but then you know youdon't.
(21:59):
You're like, well, now you'vegot osteopenia and you also have
dry skin and your hair andeverything else about your body
is like so it's kind of crazy.
So I feel like I have a millionquestions for you.
As far as I mean, I don't evenknow if you talk, ever talk
about that, like do we still gothrough cycles, like when you're
at post menopause?
Like what does that look likeat different stages of your life
?
Like I feel like I have amillion questions.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
Yeah, there's so much within that as well.
I haven't.
I've been inspired to learnmore about it, as my mom has.
She's in menopause now, but shereally struggled through
perimenopause and so I've been alot more interested in that.
And yes, so many women thathave been in perimenopause or
have gone through menopause askthose same exact questions, and
(22:42):
it's really frustrating.
And so what's hormonallyhappening as you enter
perimenopause and menopause isyou're basically kind of stuck
in that luteal phase, so thatphase after we ovulate, in our
hormones you're just a lot moreneutral, and so we're not having
the rise of estrogen and thenthe fall of it and the rise of
(23:03):
progesterone and then the fallof it, and so that's what then
causes a lot of the hot flashesthe change in weight, the hair,
the skin, everything your bodyis.
You're having a new bodilyexperience, and all of those
symptoms are common but notnecessarily normal and not what
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we want women to just expect.
That that's what they're goingto have to go through as they go
through paramenopause andmenopause.
I believe that there's so many,and this is the same
conversation if we're talkingabout menopause or if we're
talking about someone that ishaving a natural cycle, but with
all of those similar symptomsis there's so many lifestyle
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things that we can do to supportthose hormones and to limit how
drastic we're feeling thosesymptoms.
So we could do probably do awhole podcast on perimenopause
and menopause, but I think theso many women it's so
frustrating and it sounds sofrustrating and that's why I
(24:10):
think yeah, perry, menopause wasmuch worse.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
I mean, I don't have the hot flashes anymore, so
thank goodness.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
And.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
I thought I was.
I felt like killing people,Like I was just so mad all the
time I mean I got divorced, Icould change jobs.
It was a bad, it was a brutaltime, for sure.
I feel like a different personnow, so I definitely feel more
level.
This is the most level I'veever been in my life, because I
was very up and down pretty muchsince childhood.
(24:38):
But um, but I just sometimeseven wonder do you still kind of
go through like a cycle, eventhough your hormones yeah Okay?
Speaker 3 (24:47):
Yes, yeah, and so just quickly, like that's just
proof of how much our hormonesdictate our mood and that, like,
just that is so important torealize.
But, yes, so everyone is acyclical being, so we all go
through cycles.
Men go through 24 hour hormonalcycle, women in our earlier
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years go through a 28 day cycleand women in menopause you are
still cyclical, so we still haverises and falls of different
hormones and a little bit of our, you know, estrogen and
progesterone.
It's just not following thesame cycle that it would if we
were in our childbearing years,but, most importantly, it would
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if we were in our childbearingyears.
But, most importantly, we, ourbody, still goes through these
rhythms and we can still livecyclically.
And this is where I bring in thewhole conversation of tracking
with the moon and because andthis is what so I actually
worked with my mom for a fewmonths to, as she was going
through menopause, to track withthe moon and she's cycle tracks
and stuff, which is really cool, um, and she's, and, as she's
(25:55):
entered this new phase of life,she's discovered so much more
about her body that she didn'tknow before.
Um, and so the the uh, kind ofa brief explanation and intro
into moon tracking is the moongoes through a 29.5 day cycle
and our you know the averagemenstrual cycle is 28 ish days.
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The moon has four phases thatit goes through.
We have four phases that we gothrough and it's that darkness.
The new moon would replicateour menstrual phase.
So it's that complete darkness.
It's that void period thatrelease and then more light
comes into the sky and thatmimics our follicular phase that
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energy, that estrogen rising,growing those follicles, and
then it's a full moon and that'sovulation time.
So you can kind of think of,like we always hear the stories
of oh, it's a full moon, thehospital's going crazy,
everyone's going crazy yeah, andit's that universal energy is a
lot just like amplified andstronger, and so that mimics our
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ovulatory phase, when we're alot like that's our peak hormone
, okay, so we're out there andwe're like that's where we want
to reproduce, calling a matebecause our egg is ready to go,
and then, you know, and then itgets, so after the new moon we
go into the waning moon and thesky starts to get darker and
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that mimics our luteal phase, aswe're starting to come down
from the high and starting tokind of wrap things up.
And if we think about how, likethe moon controls the tide of
our entire, of the entire earthand we're made of 70% water of
course it's going to have a hugeimpact on our body.
And so, when it comes tomenopause and thinking about
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this, I think it's so importantto keep that feminine cycle and
to keep that growing andreleasing, that coming up and
coming down, because each newcycle of the moon, of your own
cycle, is an opportunity to growand for new beginnings and then
to wrap things up and release,and so that's instinctual in our
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bodies.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
I really love that.
That makes so much sense to me.
That is like I feel like I'mlike yes, that, no wonder I I
feel that way, like in, like,intuitively, like I'm like
gearing up and then it feelslike really, and then it's like
okay, step back.
I don't know like I understandwhat you're saying.
I think that's so interesting.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
Sorry, sorry, emily I'm not giving you any chance to
even talk no, I think that thisis such an important
conversation, I'm like keepgoing.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
Yeah, and what you said of like intuitively you get
that is because that's thatwisdom is within us and as we
tap more into our cycle, thatwisdom that women have had for
years and years and years startto come out.
I mean, women used to all bleedtogether and they would bleed
together to support their like.
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That was part of their village,that was part of the tribe, is
to go through this and itmatched with the masculine of
the hunting and the gatheringand so and the different seasons
they went through.
So that's, that's where westill are, and we have so much
going on in our worlds todaythat it's a lot to come back to
(29:19):
that no, definitely.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
So you recommend like still tracking to the moon,
like okay, yeah, I want to learnmore about that.
I I'm sure you have likeresources and things to check
out, but I also am curious, likesome of the things that you
said that you can do like anatural, like behaviors, things
that you can change, that helpwith those types of things I
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want.
I want to hear more about thattoo.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
Yeah, yeah.
So that is so I'm going to justshare like the biggest ones
that I recommend for all women.
But then there's lots of.
Depending on the person, it canbe so individualized and so
specific to your unique life.
The biggest thing is addressingstress.
(30:04):
So stress in the form ofexercise, emotional stress, all
of that stress in the form ofexercise, emotional stress, all
of that For my experience, theHIIT training is HIIT is not
made for women, hiit is made formales.
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And if you're doing that allthe time, then you're stressing
out your body and you'reactually especially in that
luteal phase and the menstrualphase.
So before you bleed and on yourbleed, your body is wanting
rest and it's going more intothat like survival mode.
And so if you're doing, ifyou're having a lot of stress
let's just talk about stress ingeneral our body is turning on
fat storage.
(30:46):
If we're not eating enough orfor exercising too much, and if
we're mentally and emotionallystressed, our body is going to
hold on to fat because it'sthinks it's in survival mode and
it's also going to show a lotof the other symptoms that we're
experiencing.
So stress is the number onething to address, and things to
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help with that is how we eat,how we move.
Yoga meditation has changed andsaved my life.
I would say, and I'll be inlike a yin class and start to
feel my stomach just likereadjust and settle and these
muscles readjust and settle, andyou don't get that in a normal
(31:29):
yoga class.
You don't get that in adifferent workout.
It's really like our bodyrarely gets that time to fully
tap into that yin zone and relaxand heal.
So giving our body time to healis really important.
So then that leads to are wegetting enough sleep?
Sleep is so important for women, getting eight hours at least
(31:54):
of deep sleep.
And then there's all thelifestyle habits and things we
could talk about that promotehealthy sleep that we could talk
about later, but that's a bigone.
The other thing is making surethat we are getting enough
calories and of all the vitaminsand nutrients that our cycle
needs.
(32:14):
So, especially, a big lifestylechange that I recommend for all
women is getting 25 to 35,preferably 35 grams of protein
first thing in the morning, anda lot of women.
This could even lead into theconversation of fasting and
intermittent fasting.
(32:35):
If you're dealing with a slewof symptoms and you have an
irregular cycle, don't fast.
Don't do HIIT training.
Skip that until your body is ina healthier place.
For women in menopause, thereis more benefits of fasting.
So that just asterisk note onthat.
Um, but eating a big enoughsavory breakfast in the morning
(32:58):
that has enough protein, thathas enough fat to yeah, so
you're not going into a bloodsugar spike first thing in the
morning.
And that leads into the wholeother conversation.
And another huge thing Irecommend is to learn about
blood sugar balancing, becausethat is when we're eating lots
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of sugar and just that we'rejust having carbs, or if we're
just even having coffee firstthing in the morning, our body
goes into this spike, in thisalmost nervous zone of like I
need to do something with allthis glucose that I just took in
, and then it leads to a hugecrash, and so that's why a lot
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of women will feel men and womenblood sugar balancing is, for
both genders, very important.
That's why a lot of women willfeel men and women blood sugar
balancing is, for both genders,very important.
That's why a lot of people willfeel hungry or tired after they
just ate, or that three or fouro'clock time is because we
started our day on an emptystomach and caffeine, and so our
body went into overdrive firstthing and now it's like needs
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rest.
So, learning about blood sugarbalancing and there's a million
really good resources Irecommend learning from the
glucose goddess.
Just listen to a couple of herpodcasts.
Look at her Instagram page.
She has so many amazing tipsand she's not about don't eat
the cake.
It's about if you are going tohave the cake.
Do these things before andafter to go for a walk, after
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have apple cider vinegar or agreen salad before, so your body
doesn't have those big spikes.
And that's what's so importantis that we're not restricting
ourselves, we're not cuttingthings out.
We're actually bringing in morehealthy habits around that.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
Yeah, that's really good, that's interesting.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
Yeah yeah, that's really good, that's interesting,
yeah yeah.
And then number one thingbefore all of that is I say
cycle track because that's theintro and the opportunity to any
excitement, to start learningabout yourself and noticing what
symptoms are showing up, whichhabits are actually working and
what isn't.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
Yeah, it is honestly so cool just to see, like the
change in your body when you dostart cycle tracking.
Like it sounds like it's like,oh, you're going to track it and
nothing's going to change.
But it does Like, it genuinelydoes.
Like I remember, like when wemet in Bali, I at that point,
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like my cycles were like 42 dayslong and that was like kind of
average.
Sometimes it would be longer,sometimes it would be shorter.
It was very inconsistent anduncomfortable and I, when I got
home and I started consistentlytracking, like I haven't had a
cycle longer than 32 days, likethen, and that's like huge for
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me because like and I also likeevery time I've had my cycle, I
haven't bled for more than fivedays.
I used to bleed for like eightor nine days and it would be so
rough, like I'm like it's solong that I'm like in this cycle
and I'm like bleeding for liketwo weeks.
It felt like so it it's justit's crazy how, just like that
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small change that you can makethat doesn't take very long,
like it's like maybe a couple ofminutes every day is already
going to shift things for you.
And even like learning aboutthe, the blood sugar balancing
stuff.
I started working with Katiewhen I came home from the
retreat and Katie is an expertin gut health and she was
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teaching me about that kind ofstuff.
And my number one thing waslike I was always so tired, like
I'm like I'm just like alwaystired, I'm like I'm only 24.
Like why am I tired all thetime?
And she's like well, likeyou're starting your day like
with like your blood sugar, justlike going straight up, and
like you're not getting enoughprotein and I.
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One of the things I did when Iwas working with her was I
basically ate like lunch forbreakfast and then like I would
have like a breakfast for kindof like dinner.
And it made a huge difference.
I was like, wow, like I feel somuch better, like I feel like I
can get through the day likewithout feeling like I like need
to like fall over and fallasleep.
(37:25):
Like it was just it's justcrazy how some of those things
like we're not taught that onlike a day-to-day, like we're
not taught that in school, likeit's something you basically,
especially as a woman, like youhave to learn through going
through something shitty whichlike is so frustrating to me and
(37:46):
like is something that I knowso many women are like I'm
struggling with this and thisand they'll go to a doctor and
they're like, well, it's normal.
Like it's not normal, likewe're just not learning about
what we can do to make thisbetter and to prevent the, the
main problem, instead of justlike throwing pills and stuff at
(38:09):
the symptoms that you get fromit.
So, yeah, I just went on a realrampage there, but it just
really gets me amped.
Speaker 3 (38:17):
It's so important because that exact situation
like what you've experiencedwhat you're experiencing is 90%
of women at some point in theirlife.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
Yeah, so for sure.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, sointeresting.
Okay, so you start with withthe cycle tracking.
Everyone does.
Speaker 3 (38:38):
Yeah, and and it's kind of like the secret, the
depth behind of like that.
And so I at retreat and what Irecommend for all women is to
use a written cycle trackerBecause, like Emily said,
there's so many amazing apps outthere and they are getting
better every single day, whichis exciting, and I believe using
(39:04):
a written cycle tracker is animportant invitation to really
like more deeply check in withyourself, and I just have on the
prompt, like how do you feel?
And so what it really is isit's an invitation to tap into
your intuition.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
This is what it looks like.
Speaker 3 (39:20):
Yes, I love that definitely, and to actually like
tune in and realize whatemotions, what physical things
you can include, what you didthat day or like things that are
significant on there.
But what it really is is it'san opportunity to check in with
yourself.
Yeah, so it's not even aboutthe habits right away, it's just
(39:42):
that moment of checking in withyourself, because that's
something that we skip every daya lot of times in the busy
world.
No, for sure I agree and also Iactually think it's really smart
to do it on paper.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
Yes, what's what?
Where we are kind of in theworld, at least in america, and
the things that are going on,like we don't need everyone to
know our um cycle.
Speaker 3 (40:04):
So yeah, it's the most intimate thing to us.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
Yeah, for sure, for sure mean it doesn't need to be
regulated or just, you know,observed by other people, and so
I think having it on paper issmart.
Yeah, I will.
Speaker 3 (40:21):
Thank you, no, sorry.
And the other, like main reasonthat is exactly leading into
what you said is we give ourpower away every day to give you
prompts, or like this is howyou, oh, you're on day 24.
(40:51):
This is, these are symptoms thatyou're probably feeling, or
this is how you're probablyfeeling, and it gives you a list
of symptoms to track, which isit can be helpful when you don't
know exactly what to notice atfirst, but after that, um, but
(41:11):
after that I think it's it.
It's causing a disconnect ofwhat you're actually
experiencing, because in, like,I teach cyclical living, so
sinking your life, the yourexercise, your movement, how you
spend your energy and theawareness of the four different
phases of our cycle, and so Iteach that and I am very teach
that and I think it's superimportant.
It's what helped me get myperiod back.
(41:32):
And the big asterisk with thatis it's general, it's
generalized, and you could befeeling completely different
than someone else on their day24, or you could have just lost
a family member, or lost yourjob, or just had the most
exciting thing in your lifehappen, and that's going to
impact our hormones and our moodand our body just as much.
(41:53):
So that's why cycle tracking isyour personalized.
It's kind of like your journal,yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
Yeah, that's really cool, I love that.
Speaker 1 (42:02):
Yeah.
And even like I think like withthe, because I used to use the
apps, I was like, all right,I'll try all the different apps
that there are.
And like you're saying, likethose symptoms that they give
you, like you're like you kindof just go through and tick them
off, like as like okay, yeah,yeah, yeah, I experienced this.
But it is a different sense oflike knowing yourself and kind
(42:26):
of like what we were talkingabout with Caroline is like it's
bringing that awareness to whatyou're experiencing on your own
, like you are truly being awareof that, without something
having to tell you what you'refeeling
like you're able to acknowledgeit and like be like this is what
I'm feeling and like one thingthat I have started doing, like
(42:48):
with mine, is that like at theend of the month, like I go
through and like I highlight um,like where I've said like I'm
tired and like where I've saidlike that I'm like really happy
or like excited or joyful, andlike over like the months, like
the tiredness highlight has likegone down hi kobe, that's cute.
(43:08):
Um and the like, the happinessand excitement and like like
energy has gone up.
So, like it just there's justdifferent things that you can,
you can notice when you're doingit, when a you, a human who
knows yourself better thananyone, is tracking it.
Speaker 2 (43:28):
Yeah, that's a really good point.
Yeah, that's so helpful.
Okay, so where can people findyou, like?
Where can they get moreinformation about this?
Can they like?
Where are they find?
Where do they?
Where do I find you?
Speaker 3 (43:43):
Yes, yeah, so my business is called Find your
Flow.
Yes, yeah, so my business iscalled Find your Flow, and
(44:08):
that's where I support womenthrough one-on-one and I work
with women for like three to sixmonths, or I'm soon to be
launching a group coachingprogram for six weeks starting
November 1st, and then also outof find your flow is where I run
retreats with my friend,caroline, who you'll hear on the
podcast as well, and so findyour flowspace is my website on
Instagram.
If you just search, find yourflow there and it's like find
period, flow period.
And I'll have it linked belowso my Instagram and website is
(44:29):
the best way to find me allright, that's great.
Speaker 2 (44:33):
Yeah, do you want to do the lightning round?
And?
Speaker 1 (44:35):
yeah, yeah.
So we have um just threequestions for you that are like
our lightning round questionsare a little more like fun and
not on topic so um first one ison a scale of one to ten.
How good of a driver are you?
Speaker 3 (44:55):
um, if I'm alone, probably like a six.
Speaker 2 (44:59):
If I'm with other people, a nine oh okay, wow,
yeah, wow, that's, that's reallyhonest greeting.
Speaker 3 (45:08):
Don't ask me why.
Speaker 1 (45:13):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (45:18):
That's funny.
Okay, who was your first?
Speaker 2 (45:20):
celebrity crush oh, Channing Tatum.
Oh, very cute.
Speaker 3 (45:21):
Absolutely.
What is the movie with thesoccer?
The soccer, oh my gosh gosh.
Speaker 2 (45:30):
Yeah, I have no idea movie with us.
Speaker 1 (45:32):
Wait now I have to like and amanda vines oh, oh.
Speaker 3 (45:39):
We would watch that every sleepover when I was a kid
that was so funny oh my goshdriving crazy.
But yes, channing Tatum handsdown.
Speaker 2 (45:48):
Channing Tatum, that's funny.
All right, still, probably isso what would you tell yourself
your 18-year-old?
If you could talk to your18-year-old self, what advice
would you give her?
Speaker 3 (46:02):
I would tell her to take a really long, deep exhale,
to take a really long, deepexhale.
And I would tell her that thepresent moment is the most
important moment, and thinkingabout what you should be doing
or what time you're going towake up tomorrow, or these big
(46:25):
dreams and life vision can wait,and that it's all going to work
out.
And I would tell her howbeautiful her body is and how
capable it is and how it cangrow, how it can run up
mountains and swim throughoceans.
Speaker 2 (46:45):
Yeah, oh, I love that .
Me too.
It's so good through oceans.
Speaker 1 (46:48):
yeah, yeah, oh, I love that me too, beautiful good
, oh, jaden, thank you so muchfor being on the podcast.
I'm so glad that you're hereyou're welcome.
Speaker 3 (46:57):
I love this too.
This just it gives me so muchenergy and it's really it feels
so good in my body to reconnectwith you and talk to you about
this, like you are absolutelyglowing and it's so beautiful in
my body to reconnect with youand talk to you about this, like
you are absolutely glowing andit's so beautiful that you guys
are doing a podcast together.
I think that mother-daughterconnection is that is a whole
(47:18):
other topic.
When I talk about the menstrualcycle and feminine energy and
empowerment, is thatmother-daughter connection and
how much wisdom is sharedbetween the two.
And so hearing that you guyshave a podcast together honestly
makes me so, so happy and youguys are sharing so many
(47:40):
beautiful, authentic lessons andexperiences.
So thank you.
Speaker 2 (47:45):
Thank you, that's very sweet.
It was so nice to meet you too.
Speaker 3 (47:49):
Yeah, yeah, you as well Also we'll have to do this
again.
Speaker 1 (47:52):
She's the man.
She's the man.
Yes, she's the man, the man.
Speaker 3 (47:56):
Yeah, oh my goodness, yes, how could I forget?
Speaker 1 (47:59):
Sorry, I just had to share that because I knew it was
going to bother you.
Speaker 3 (48:03):
Yeah, thank you.
And like one last thing that Ireally want to highlight with
the importance of thisconversation and this work is
there's.
we often talk about the negativethings around our cycle and the
really uncomfortable symptomsthat we experience, but there's
(48:35):
a whole other side of thisconversation that we haven't
even tapped into today, of thestrengths and the beautiful
things that we experience ateach different phase of our
cycle that men don't get.
And so when we learn how tolive in sync with our cycle, we
learn to optimize our lifebecause we have these different
strengths and to learn and totap into that.
And that is the huge, that'sthe most important, I think
topic with this of femaleempowerment is it's well, fuck,
(48:55):
you're so lucky to be female andto be cyclical and to have a
period.
It's a sign of health, it's asign of vitality, and so the
more we can kind of balancethose hormones, the more that we
get to live into those reallybeautiful strengths that we have
.
Speaker 2 (49:10):
Yeah, that was good.
I'm glad that we.
Yeah, I'm glad you said thatyeah.
Speaker 3 (49:17):
All right, yeah, thank you guys.
Speaker 2 (49:20):
Have a beautiful evening, thank you.
Thank you you too, and goodmorning, yeah, thank you.
Yeah, it's like early morning.
Speaker 3 (49:29):
Yeah, have a good day .
Have a good day, this is thebest way to start it.
So, thank you, thank you.
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