Managing The Holiday Blues - What Experts Say About Using Medical Cannabis To Cope

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
From the WA and M Studio on the campus of
Florida A and M University.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
This is Mary Forum Radio, a weekly conversation on the
education and research of.

Speaker 3 (00:08):
The medical marijuana being conducted at BAMMI.

Speaker 1 (00:12):
Hi, I'm Heidi Otway, your host for this conversations on
Cannabis virtual form, brought to you by the Medical Marijuana
Education and Research Initiative at Florida and M University. In
this conversation, we're talking about the benefits and risk of
using medical cannabis to treat seasonal effective disorder, also known

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as the holiday blues. So let's talk and learn about
this subject with our guests. Doctor Naomi gent Higgins is
a psychiatrist based in South Florida who specializes in mood
and anxiety disorders, women's health, and also treats performance anxiety
for musicians and recording artists. Doctor Naomi to the Forum,

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tell us more about yourself and your practice.

Speaker 2 (00:59):
Hi, thank you for having me first of all, So yes,
as Heidi said, I am doctor Naomi and I am
a practicing psychiatrist based in Florida, and I also see
patients adult patients only as an outpatient setting, and I
work in different communities and off of my private practice

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called Mental Keys Music. So that's hone into not only
mental health, but also honeing into using music as a
part of your treatment.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
I love hearing that. I want to hear more about
it as we talk. And our other guest is her
sister to Meega Genti, a singer, songwriter and entrepreneur who
has experienced seasonal mood changes and has used kannabinoise to cope.
She is also the founder of Taomi Tea and Treats,
a tea brand known for its healing signature Blends. I

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six to win a one hundred dollars gift card provided
by one of Mary's partners. Now, let's start this conversation
on cannabis. So, doctor Naomi, I'm going to start with you,
and we're going to kind of plant the flag. So
there was a survey conducted by the National Alliance on
Mental Illness also known as NAMI, and they found that
sixty four percent of individuals living with the mental illness

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reported that their conditions worsened around the holidays. So what
is the clinical definition of seasonal effective disorder which some
people call SAD? Can you explain the symptoms please?

Speaker 2 (02:54):
Yes, So sixty four percent. First of all, that's pretty
remarkable during this holiday season. So what seasonal effective disorder is.
It's basically a subtype of major depressive disorder.

Speaker 3 (03:07):
It's not a.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
It's not a formal diagnosis on the DSM criteria, but
it is something that we use as a subtype when
we're dealing with patients who have an existing major depressive
disorder or bipolar disorder. So it is typically seen in
that population. So the symptoms involve irritability, isolation, poor concentration,

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accessive sleep. At that time, people are more craving carbs,
so they're carbloating at that time. So there is the
classical symptoms of major depressive disorder that are there, the
lack of interest, lack of motivation, but there's but those
are but the other Atypical features include the excessive sleeping

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in the appetite like I mentioned.

Speaker 1 (04:02):
Yeah, thank you for sharing that. That's really good insights.
And Tamika, you've experienced seasoned depression. Can you share your
story with our listeners and viewers.

Speaker 4 (04:11):
Of course, at the time, I didn't know it had
a medical term to it. I just knew that for
some reason, my mood would change around October of every year.
I always clocked it, like, why am I feeling a
lot more sad? Why am I feeling a lot more irritable,

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more sleepy? Definitely just wanted to be alone more. Didn't
understand it. And then I would say maybe in my
late twenties, I remember I thought of a term in
my head and I just would call it fall blues
without even knowing that there was a medical term to it.
And then so in a way, I always kind of

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like got myself ready when it was an October. I
was like, Okay, this is the time where I probably
might feel a little sad. So that's that's that was
my experience with it.

Speaker 1 (05:03):
Yeah, did you reach out to your sister for help?

Speaker 4 (05:06):
To be honest, at the time, she didn't know at
the time, you know, especially when it.

Speaker 5 (05:11):
Started around to make plenties.

Speaker 4 (05:14):
It was something that I was trying to make sense
of it myself, so, you know, to her point as
far as like even with the symptoms of isolation, the
isolation also kind of just made not want to talk
about it because I was trying to figure out what
it was, to be honest.

Speaker 1 (05:31):
So doctor Away, did at some point, did you eventually
help your sister.

Speaker 2 (05:35):
At some point when she started to express some of
those symptoms to me?

Speaker 5 (05:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (05:40):
Yeah, So I reached so I gave her the support
that she need, emotionally, listened, asked questions, and then we
went from there. That was the starting point. I was
there for her.

Speaker 1 (05:54):
Yeah. So doctor Namay, you actually help people from coast
to coast through your practice. So I want to talk
about your work in Florida and how your patients in
Florida are using medical cannabis, which is legal in the
state of Florida, to manage their mood changes during the holidays.
And I just want to just let our listeners and
viewers know that doctor Naomi is not a qualified medical

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cannabis provider in the state of Florida, but she does
counsel her clients and so she's going to provide that
provide this information based on that perspective. So again, how
are you helping your patients that you know are using
medical cannabis to manage their mood changes during the holidays.

Speaker 2 (06:37):
Yeah, so I do have patients who do engage in
both medical cannabis and recreational cannabis. Most more often they're
in they're involved with the CBD component. Well, how I
manage or give them just education about it is to

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use it intentionally, not to be the first resort to
helping with anxiety or would sleep, albeit it does help
with that, but to use it judiciously, so it's more
of a supplement. I do notice that some my patients
they do find it helpful to help manage their anxiety

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or just as a calming effect. Also they would sleep
if they're having issues with insomnia, just just having also
racing thoughts that may disturb their sleep. So it's something
that I'm noticing across the board in Florida as well.

Speaker 1 (07:40):
Yeah, so, Tamika, how did you use canalinoise to help
you cope during the holidays?

Speaker 4 (07:45):
For sure, I got into CBD oil and I learned
about it through obviously through my sister. And also I
just would hear a lot of people to talk about
how much CBD oil helped them with their symptoms. And
then so I found one and then I tried it,

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and I was like, oh, this is good and it
really definitely helped calmed me, calm me down. I would
put it in my tea, I would I would put
it put it in my water right before I go
to bed.

Speaker 5 (08:19):
So it was definitely helping me.

Speaker 4 (08:22):
At the time because I didn't want I knew that
because I seen I didn't want to smoke it. So
I was like, well, let me try the CBD oil way,
and it definitely did help out.

Speaker 1 (08:32):
Yeah, So doctor Nama, what are the potential short term
and long term effects of using whether it's medical cannabis
And we'll get into a little bit about you know,
recreational which is illegal in Florida, but we know in
other states they allow it. But how what are the
effects of using cannabis or cannabinoids to cope with seasonal stress?

Speaker 2 (08:53):
So the short term effect, as I mentioned before, it's
it helped, it's beneficial for the sleep and anxiety.

Speaker 3 (09:01):
The short term effects.

Speaker 2 (09:03):
The THHC component, since that's the psychoactive substance. That is
something that it has its effect as well, but because
it's psycho active, it can cause you to be more anxious.
It may you some poor motivation, low productivity, impair your functioning.

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So those are some of the effects that can be
visible or pronounced when when engaging in that component the THHD.

Speaker 1 (09:40):
Yeah, yeah, Tamika, you didn't. Did you use the THHC
version or you just specifically work with use the cannabinoids.

Speaker 5 (09:48):
To be honest, I've used both.

Speaker 1 (09:50):
You use and where were the the effects on your
on you when you were taking both? You mentioned the
other one. What about the THHC because you're you're you're
based in California, just where cannabis is legal, both on
the record the medical side, So tell us about that experience.

Speaker 4 (10:08):
Yes, I live in California, so it's definitely easier to
get access to both the CBD oil and the THHC products,
and so I've tried both and I just wanted to
see how my body functions with it.

Speaker 5 (10:23):
And when I.

Speaker 4 (10:23):
Did try the THHC, it definitely did heighten my anxiety.
It definitely made my heart beat really fast. It's just
it was something that I just felt like it wasn't
for me. Then I would, you know, ask my friends
who are more consuming, who consume more of THHC, like
what happened?

Speaker 5 (10:41):
What did I do? Did?

Speaker 4 (10:42):
Should I have microdotes and all that stuff? And then
they will tell me about different strands of THHC. So
I tried the more calming one that didn't work out
for me, and then so I said, maybe the whole
THHC is just not for me. That's when I went
to the cb CBD oil side. And then I was like,

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this is this is more for me? No anxiety. It
definitely made me more sleepy for sure, but that anxiety
I didn't want any already have anxiety, Why do I
want something to increase it?

Speaker 5 (11:17):
So I didn't, so I stopped using it.

Speaker 1 (11:19):
Yeah yeah, So do you use any canalinoids at all
of this time in your.

Speaker 5 (11:23):
Life right right now? I don't. Is it something that
I'm open to for sure?

Speaker 4 (11:29):
While you guys were talking, I was like, maybe I
need to start getting back to CBD oil. But it's
something that I did stop because I was using natural
methods to help calm the anxiety.

Speaker 1 (11:43):
Yeah yeah, doctor name, did you want to add to that?

Speaker 2 (11:46):
Yeah, just just to point out the different types of
routes that can be taken with CBD oil. So there's
a taker that you can add in different drinks, and
then you have the gummies and then vaping nowadays and
now smoke and smoking. But in terms and speaking of
the effects of that use, especially if you're using the

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smoking route, that's something to think about because that can
affect your lungs and if it's if it's the nicotine
paper that you're using, so that's something that can also.

Speaker 3 (12:20):
Be a health risk. Swall.

Speaker 6 (12:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (12:24):
Yeah, So right now, we're filming this during the holiday season,
and you know, families may be listening and wondering. You know,
how would I know if my family member is experiencing
the holiday blues and Tamika, you kind of shared some
of you know, what you were feeling, so folks can

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look at those kinds of symptoms. But I'd be curious,
doctor Naim, if you can help, what should families do
if they do notice it? What is the best way
to kind of engage?

Speaker 2 (12:59):
Yeah, I would ask, well, first after observing, I would
ask them, how.

Speaker 3 (13:05):
Are you feeling? How are you feeling today?

Speaker 5 (13:08):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (13:10):
Is there anything that you need? Anything that how can
I support you? So I would lead with open ended
questions and or you can you can also express some concern.
I'm noticing you're in your room. You know, is everything okay?

Speaker 3 (13:28):
Do you do? You need to talk?

Speaker 2 (13:31):
Provide some support in that sense. So I would lead
it with open ended questions and then that will open
a groundwork for trust and in a non junctmental and
non critical way.

Speaker 4 (13:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (13:47):
So to me, I would welcome your perspective, Yeah, for sure,
especially as as far as like, how do I communicate
with to my family about it now? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (13:59):
Okay, Before I communicate it to my family, I have
to communicate it to myself. So one of the things
that I always do, literally every day is how are
you feeling? And you know, I check in with myself
and I feel like now, especially because I am in
my forties and now I have to deal with the

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fall blues and the hormones hormones attached to it, I
have to check in with my body a lot. So
my body will tell me to mek it. You need
to chill, you need a rest, You're not okay. So
I'll do a self check on myself so that I
can be honest first, because I realize in my mid
and late twenties and early thirties, I wasn't as honest
with myself, so sometimes I wouldn't have the right words

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to even voice how I was feeling because I was
trying to figure it out. But now that I've experienced this,
I'm true to this. So now when my sister does
ask me, or my mom or my dad, I'm able
to give them an honest question instead of saying, you know,
I'm able to say I'm not okay, I'm stressed, I
don't know.

Speaker 3 (15:02):
What's going on.

Speaker 4 (15:03):
So now I'm able to just be a lot more
honest because if I was first honest with myself.

Speaker 1 (15:08):
Yeah, doctor name, are you going to add to that?

Speaker 3 (15:10):
Yeah, that's really important.

Speaker 2 (15:12):
That's really important because if if you just uh, you know,
a lot a lot of people are saying this term
suffering in silence, and that is very true. If you
remain in that silence, then it'll just compound even greater. So, yes,
Tamika makes a great point. If you can be honest
with yourself first that I am not doing well, now

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we know how to target it, how to investigate it,
so it sheds some light into it. It's almost like
getting a diagnosis. Now that Wow, my eyes are open
now I can see now I know how to.

Speaker 3 (15:50):
Manage or have you know the right source of help?

Speaker 1 (15:56):
Yes, yeah, so dotor Nam and you know we're in Florida,
and I wanted to talk a little bit about the
recreational cannabis which is illegal here, and can you share
from your professional perspective why people should avoid using unregulated
illegal marijuana if they are feeling the symptoms of seasonal

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effective disorder disorder.

Speaker 2 (16:20):
Yeah, I yeah, definitely, I would avoid it at all
costs because number one, if that is your first resort
to coping, then it can create a dependency. So there
is a risk of dependency obviously. Also, we don't know

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the source of the recreational marijuana is coming from, who
made it, where was it made, whose hand was in it,
what did they add to the substance, So those are
things that are very risky and dangerous. So it's very
important to avoid it at all costs, just just not

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knowing just the unknown properties that are in the cannabis
or the marijuana.

Speaker 1 (17:07):
Yeah, are there any warning signs that someone may be
relying too heavily on cannabis to cope?

Speaker 2 (17:13):
Yes, especially if that's something that they're if that's their
first reach.

Speaker 1 (17:18):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (17:18):
The other thing is if they notice that I can't
sleep without it, I can't think without it, I can't
function without it, then it becomes a physiological dependence where
your body organic needs it. So that's where those are
the first signs of the physical dependency.

Speaker 1 (17:41):
M Yeah, and you all both touched on how people
can cope. What about people who want who want who
don't want to use medical cannabis and will will not
use legal cannabis, right, and they just want to know
what can I do to manage holiday stress? And you

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guys kind of touched on it a little earlier, But
can we dig in a little bit more of what
some other strategies and coping mechanisms are that you would
recommend to people who don't want to use cannabis.

Speaker 3 (18:15):
Well, do you want to?

Speaker 1 (18:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (18:19):
Yes, I'm like, I.

Speaker 4 (18:23):
Think one of the main things that especially that is
helping me, especially during this season is go outside.

Speaker 5 (18:30):
Go outside.

Speaker 4 (18:32):
And and I say this because I remember randomly I
did blood work and then my vitamin D levels were
solo and then my doctor was saying, you have to
go outside.

Speaker 5 (18:44):
Not only will it help.

Speaker 4 (18:45):
You with you know, the hormones that you're experiencing in
my forties right now, but it will also just help
you with your mental So then I started going outside,
walking around, put my you know, put my my headphones on.
That has helped me.

Speaker 5 (19:00):
Mensely mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (19:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:03):
And to add to that, I would say, maybe family activity.
I remember my my sister Timika came and she baked
with my two daughters and that was such a memorable.
It's it's it's just a highlight of the holidays. So
maybe having a you know, a recipe to make together

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and making some memories. So I would highlight, yes, going outdoors,
doing some fun activities, or if you want to be
if you want to do something that's a solitude activity,
do a puzzle. Maybe you could do a puzzle with
a family member. And uh yeah, those are some things

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I can think of on top.

Speaker 1 (19:48):
Now, at what point, and this is for you, doctor Naomi,
that's that someone may need professional help, right, So they've
they've gone outside, they went out barefoot in the grass
and let their toes touch the grass, because that's what
I like to do. That I'm feeling stressed, right, but
you know, it's more severe they can, and they're using cannabis.

(20:09):
It's not helping, you know, they're talking to family, it's
not helping. At what point do they need professional help
and how would they go about that?

Speaker 3 (20:17):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (20:18):
At that point, if you notice this all the measures
that you've taken is not really being effective, that's when
you would seek professional help, either with a psychologist, a therapist,
or even a psychiatrist. It doesn't matter because each of
our in the mental health professional world, we all work together,

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so we as a psychiatrist.

Speaker 3 (20:45):
They need.

Speaker 2 (20:47):
I would need to. I would see that you may
need further assistance, so I'll refer you to a psychologist
and a psychologist side they may refer you to a
psychiatrists if medical and maybe warranted at that time.

Speaker 1 (21:02):
Yeah, both of you all. You know again to Meka,
you work in a high stress you were you mean
you worked in the entertainment industry, which I know is
high stress. And I guess my question would be what
is the approach to the stigma? You know, like the
round the stigma? Right, so your performer, you know, high profile.

(21:25):
I think I read that you were on like one
of the TV singing competitions and I was like oh
my god, this is but you know, but you got
people who are running businesses, you got people who have families,
and so there may be a stigma around I can't cool, right,

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So how do you make our listeners and viewers know
that it's okay?

Speaker 5 (21:53):
You know?

Speaker 1 (21:53):
How do we break the stigma of mental health.

Speaker 4 (21:57):
Doing this talking about it, because it's like I think,
my sister said this, like people really do suffer in silence,
and it's I've been having a lot of conversations with
my friends who are in the entertainment industry and they're
all suffering in silence. And I always always would tell them,
you don't have to struggle alone. And I remember I

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have I have one friend who's who's struggling right now.
And I said, you can call me. I'll do your
laundry for you. I will come and i'll clean your
your your bathroom, give me the gloves, let's go. And
I think, just more communication, because for some reason, society
makes it feel like we have to suffer in silence.

Speaker 5 (22:35):
And I'm guilty of that.

Speaker 4 (22:37):
Until I was able to have that conversation with my
sister and tell her all the things that I was feeling,
and then also I did my own research as to
what I was feeling in which was that led me
to get being on medication at the time. And so
having those transparent conversations, even if you don't know how
you're feeling, sometimes just picking up then and calling someone

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you trust and saying I'm not okay and that's fine,
and that has helped me. So now I'm definitely a
lot more vulnerable, a lot more transparent as to what
I'm feeling. So these kind of conversations are definitely the
gateways for healing in my opinion.

Speaker 3 (23:16):
Yeah, I agree, I agree.

Speaker 1 (23:19):
Yeah, Doc Orami, did you want to add to that?

Speaker 2 (23:21):
Yes, no, I agree, because this platform does help and
they also see all ages and races and they can
connect and see that Okay, I can, I can open
up about this.

Speaker 3 (23:36):
I'm not alone in this situation.

Speaker 1 (23:40):
So doctor, your sister references she did her own research, right,
So I would like both of you to share maybe
some online resources or books or just information that you
think would be valuable to our listener to viewers if
they are struggling with the holiday blues and they want
some help, where where do you recommend they do? From

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a from a research perspective, in the in their own
private time.

Speaker 2 (24:04):
Yeah, So there's different resources that they can plug into.
There's the National excuse Me, the Florida Behavioral Health Association.
It has a holiday resource center. Great, and they can
look into that also. Uh, they can go into my
website as well if there is if they need further

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intervention or just need to have a consult with me.
I'm open to that. It's mentalkeysmusic dot com. Oh, and
also the National excuse Me, National Institute of Mental Health.
That's also another resource to use.

Speaker 1 (24:45):
Yeah, and we'll put all those links in the chat
on Mary's social media channels so that you all can
can access them. Tamika, where where did you get your research?
Where did you research?

Speaker 5 (24:54):
Where did you I'm not gonna lie. I did a lot.
I'm not gonna lie. That's just naturally. Like before I
take any any like.

Speaker 4 (25:03):
Even with the medication, the anti Medica anti anxiety medication
that I was on, I did a lot of research
and I was asking my sister a lot of questions.
But one of the things that I did was I
wanted to understand what anxiety was. So just a simple
Google search and like what is anxiety and what are
the different ways that people are affected by anxiety. Once

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I did that research, I realized where I fell into.
And then I even looked up because the way my
anxiety happened to was my heart would beat a lot,
I'll get headaches.

Speaker 5 (25:35):
I get intrusive thoughts.

Speaker 4 (25:36):
So I put all my symptoms on Google, and then
I was like, then I saw a bunch of YouTube
videos of people that were experiencing the same thing. And
then another thing too that I did I make it.
I made a doctor's appointment with my primary physician and
I just told her that I wasn't okay, and they
would send me to different psychiatrists. And I always like

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to say this, when you're looking for a psychiatrists and
a psychologist have have the mentality as if like you're
dating somebody, because not all psychiatrists are all they're not
all made equal. Some of them, you know, they're not
as invested. But thank God for my sister. She is
one of the psychiatrists that is invested not only in
heart health but mental health, but just she's amazing. So

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I really felt like God led me to just, you know,
talk to my sister and say I'm not okay. So
she became my psychiatrist. Thank god I found a therapist.
I did a whole bunch and just just I wanted
to also learn how the brain works. I even research
how the brain worked, how does store trauma. One of
the main things that I did to was hypnotherapy. I

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can go on and on what the I did, and
I will say all the things that had that helped me,
all the things that I did help me mentally. And
I thank God for my sister because she was the
heart of my my healing.

Speaker 1 (26:55):
Oh I love that. And I want to give you
all a chance to share any closing thoughts. You know, Tamika,
what you just said to me was empowering just to me,
you know, being a wife, a mother, a business owner,
you know, a community servant, all those things. So thank
you for sharing that your story there. So let's have
some closing thoughts that you think would be helpful to

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those who are listening and viewing this conversation on cannabis.

Speaker 2 (27:22):
Yeah, I'll say, I'm going to leave the audience with
if you feel overwhelmed, even the even if it's negative
stress or even positive stress, and people are stressed in
the positive sense, because I need to do this. I
need to host. I need to get the decorations.

Speaker 1 (27:43):
So that's me right now, getting holiday party. I'm just like,
oh my god, yeah, and I'm like, uh huh, yes,
it's all gonna work out.

Speaker 3 (27:56):
That's it.

Speaker 2 (27:57):
It is okay if you don't have all your decoration
by a certain date.

Speaker 3 (28:02):
It's okay.

Speaker 2 (28:03):
If you don't have all your gifts because you see
your neighbors shopping, it is okay. I want to emphasize
breathing and relaxing and stepping away if it becomes overwhelming.
This is not a performance. It's time to enjoy the

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fruits of your labor the entire year, rest and relax. Yes,
and then if you have a moment to purchase a gift,
amazing great. If you don't, amazing great. It's the presidence
of your self to your family and friends and to
yourself as well.

Speaker 3 (28:44):
That's important.

Speaker 1 (28:45):
Thank you for saying that. I needed that. You're speaking
directly to making closing thoughts.

Speaker 4 (28:54):
Oh, two things that came in my mind. The first thing,
especially when you're dealing with anxiety and depression, our mind
has a tendency to exaggerate emotions and what if this happens,
what if that happens? And I know one of the

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reasons why I was feeling even the anxiety symptoms were
even stronger was because I was afraid to face the monster.
And my therapist told me, she said, sometimes in our head,
we think this monster is like God's zealous size, and
we're so scared of it. Then we open the closet

(29:35):
and it's just like a little tiny lizard. And so now,
what I definitely would like to tell people is don't
be afraid to face it.

Speaker 5 (29:45):
You're going to be okay.

Speaker 4 (29:47):
And I know being saying you're gonna be okay, it
sounds so common, but I promise you face the monster,
write it down if you have to journal it, whatever
it is, to face what you're was making you anxious
and depressed, and just know that you are going You're
going to get through this because I did. It's going

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to be okay.

Speaker 6 (30:11):
Yeah.

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