Yan Dethrones Merab at UFC 323 | Van Becomes Champ After Injury | Talbott-Cejudo | PBC Weekend Recap - MORNING KOMBAT WITH LUKE THOMAS AND BRIAN CAMPBELL

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Really look at this now, tip top, Jesus.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
Will be luck.

Speaker 3 (00:32):
It's time bound. Oh yeah, let's do this thing. A
lot to recap from the weekend that was welcome on end.
This is Morning Combat, Monday, December eight, twenty and twenty five,
fresh off the final pay per view of the ESPN
UFC era, A changing of the guard atop the two

(00:55):
lowest men's weight classes, and yet another draw Lamont Roach
Junior on the PBC side, Brian Campbell, your host today,
on the right side of the screen representing Connecticut and
the kwa Quah. Okay, you know what I'm saying right
there because I'm barely pronouncing it. On the other side
of me, DC's finest, Luke Thomas. Yes, Luke Franklin Thomas

(01:19):
LFT in the house. Uh Luke, how is your uh
your testosterone at this levels at this moment you're.

Speaker 4 (01:27):
Scre I mean it's been declining for years and probably
at states that are pathetic and largely undetectable with medical science.
But I'm fucking here, Okay, all right?

Speaker 3 (01:37):
Yeah, did you Hey, Hey, I didn't watch it live.
I did catch up on everything I needed this morning,
but UFC three twenty three did you enjoy it.

Speaker 4 (01:45):
Man, I'll tell you what prelims were insane uh opener
on the mint card. No, it was whatever. I didn't
you know, but I thought everything after that was pretty great.
And as we'll talk, well, you know what the co
main event was real anti club. That was a problem.

Speaker 3 (02:01):
Yeah, we have a new al Joe Sterling and his
name is Joshua Van.

Speaker 4 (02:06):
But that main event was special. That was really really special.
So you know, I enjoyed that a lot.

Speaker 3 (02:11):
Shout out to Pewter Yon, Pyota, PoTA, fantastic stuff. Let's
introduce a man who is very well versed in PoTA.
He is a producer, director, the third man of our
teammate Bong enthusiast and good lord was his dad Horny
about three decades ago. Coming from Australia. It's Luke no
Seeda of the main card.

Speaker 4 (02:30):
Minute.

Speaker 3 (02:31):
I'm sure Luke, you were live streaming like a mofo
on Saturday.

Speaker 5 (02:34):
I was, and I was very disappointed when Morob lost.
You know, we're still mourning today BC. I'm not not
too happy about it. Josh Van didn't seem to mind
to get the aljo in there. He was beating his
chest on top of the cage like he just won
it all.

Speaker 3 (02:48):
I mean, hey, big moment for me and Mark.

Speaker 6 (02:50):
I don't call it Burma, all right, Yeah, I won't
call it Burma. He wasn't alive when it was called Burma.

Speaker 4 (02:55):
So there you go.

Speaker 3 (02:56):
All right, there you go. Special thank you to all
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(03:16):
Oh quickly, l I L how did it go with
GC versus Old New York rickover on the prop quiz?

Speaker 5 (03:25):
I mean, I don't want to give any spoilers in
case people haven't caught it yet.

Speaker 6 (03:28):
You know, I'd like to give.

Speaker 5 (03:29):
These some life. But it was very close, came down
to the last one, very entertaining episode. Gonna have a
new one this week, so everyone stayshow.

Speaker 3 (03:36):
A phenomenon Luke Thomas, that he's built you and I
we suck at it? But what a phenomenon he's built.

Speaker 4 (03:40):
You know, Oh, I suck the most, but indeed.

Speaker 3 (03:43):
Well yeah, I mean I could have told you that,
you know, whether we're talking about trivia or not, Luke.
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(04:26):
Luke included Luke Thomas before we dig so damn deep, right,
so deep into the combat of the weekend. How are
you doing personally?

Speaker 4 (04:37):
I'm tired, bro, I'm so glad that these pay per
views are moving to nine am, and I know every
European person Yeah, well, looking get over. It's like, dude,
I've been doing this. I've been giving up my Saturday
nights for twenty years. Like more than that. Actually, I'm tired.
I'm tired. It's actually the thing is when I was
single and just sleep in, you know, get up when
you want. But dude, that the Tuchster is up at

(05:00):
seven am and she is ready to play. So it's
you know, I'm tired, Dude.

Speaker 3 (05:05):
The dukes don't even need meldonium. She's just going at all.

Speaker 4 (05:08):
Yeah, no meldonium at seven am, and she is, you know,
a bucking bronco. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (05:15):
Yeah, I only slept a couple hours Saturday in early flight,
and you know, it's harder and harder to bounce back.
Not to complain about a fantastic life, but I slept
a lot of yesterday and this morning, and I'll probably
sleep again after this. Look, because we are old pieces
of shit. Yeah, people keep tuning in, so God bless them.

Speaker 7 (05:32):
All.

Speaker 3 (05:32):
Right, let's do it, let's get fired up. Let's unwrap
what went down this past Saturday night Las Vegas, UFC
three twenty three, and as we mentioned, ESPN plus Era
goodbye except for next week's fight night. We will welcome
in the launch and start of the Paramount CBS era.
But in the main event on Saturday night, looking to

(05:54):
create history for himself was Banna Whit champion Morob de
vallas Vili. Four trainee camps in one calendar year. Did
it all catch up with him? We'll have Luke Thomas
here to break it down in the second. Either way,
what a night for former champion pyotor Yan who came
out and stuff takedowns from Arob, switch dances out boxed
him and really used that stiff jab to mark up

(06:17):
his face, becoming a two time champion and what turned
into a route of Morob four to one on most
scorecards except for Daniel Cormiers, who just could not believe
that anyone would score those early rounds against him. Luke,
just how special was this victory for pyotr Yan and
what made it ultimately such a noteworthy achievement Here years

(06:39):
removed from being decued against al Joe, came back from
a three fight losing skid, built up a three fight
win skid. But yet the performance we saw on Saturday
none of us predicted.

Speaker 4 (06:53):
There was a stat by a friend to a colleague
of mine ovin I don't know how to pronounced his
last name, and please forgive me.

Speaker 3 (07:00):
They call him osp yeah.

Speaker 4 (07:02):
No ovin vicinage. I might be saying it wrong. He
is a great sort of member of the online MMA community.
He does some work I think for MMA point and
he's done something. He's helped me a little bit as well.
He found a crazy stat BC, and I think it
really speaks to just how brilliant and special Saturday Night was.
I did not know this. One thing that we have

(07:24):
talked about pretty consistently on the show BC is you know,
when someone has a UFC title then they lose it.
For the most part, they never get it back. And
if they do get it back BC, it tends to
happen relatively quickly, sometimes with an immediate rematch or trilogy,
whatever the case may be, or they move a weight
class right within relatively short order, like you know, I

(07:45):
think of Poeton for example, doing something along those lines.
Those tend to be the scenarios. But the sort of
maximum is that a you don't get it back and
then be you know, if you do, it has to
happen very very quickly. But there are very very very rare,
rare cases in MMA where it can last years before
someone reclaims it. Carlos Parz is actually holding the record,

(08:08):
but I think we can all agree that that's not
the kind of authoritative when to reclaim it that we
got from Pyotr Jan. But it actually goes much further
than that PC. I think Jan is third all time
in terms of distance between losing a title and then
regaining it. But but here is where he stands utterly alone.
He is the first fighter to have a UFC title,

(08:32):
then go on a three fight losing streak, and then
reclaim the title that has literally never been done until
Saturday Night in any era, any gender, any weight class, period.
He's the only guy that holds that distinction. BC. You
asked about how special it was to be able to

(08:53):
defy the virtual laws of MMA gravity in this way
is by itself its own kind of achievement. But to
do that against a guy who was I know we're
gonna talk about how drained he was, but I'm sorry,
we don't need to undercut Yahn's win. I picked Morob
to win. We all said we're gonna pick him until
we have a reason not to. He is put together

(09:15):
the most impressive bansomweight career of any bandsom weight that's
ever been there. To do it against a guy like
that with those circumstances, BC, and to do it with
the kind of technical and strategic mastery that he put
into it, it's just I'm serious. It's one of the
all time best UFC title winning performances. I'm not saying

(09:37):
it's number one, I haven't ranked it in that WAYBC,
but it's on the very very short list. This guy
proved tons of people wrong, me and others included, and
defied all the known laws of the MMA universe to
accomplish that with the longest journey to get back to
that date, this is just magisterial, true.

Speaker 3 (10:01):
And the and the losing skid that he didn't incur
was obviously against super elite competition on basically the title level,
and there were some split decisions as we talked about
coming into this week, But No, I didn't necessarily expect
the command the increase in the striking. We knew head
to head. If it was a five round boxing match,
Jean would have an edge. But you're not gonna be

(10:22):
able to create that or kickboxing match unless you're able
to stuff the takedowns, stuff the spamming, and then provide
a takedown thread of his own, taking down Morob three times.
The mental journey that Yan went on, Uh, it's incredible,
It's incredible.

Speaker 4 (10:39):
Bots.

Speaker 3 (10:39):
I was actually oping his sons were gonna be allowed
in the cage. Do you remember when or when Yon
scored his third straight win on this comeback tour, his
son was in there and gave like a you know,
emphatic emotional you know, I love my dad, you know,
kind of reversed mister Wideman there. But what a performance.
But but Luke, I now go through a lot of

(11:02):
things Morob said or did during fight week, and I
know that we did plant that seed Friday as we
should have with all the comments he made about the
way cut, I do have to ask you this question
before we get any further congratulations. Did Marob play himself
like was the as much as we were identifying this
as such a daring to be great, capitalizing on your prime,

(11:25):
looking to make history, did he ultimately I don't know
if greed is the word, greedy is the word, but
like in hindsight, this was this a horrific decision? Or
did he just straight up get beat in a second
chance by a fighter who was injured the first time,
healthy this time and upped his game along the way.

Speaker 4 (11:44):
Yeah, I mean, remember, did you can make an argument
that Yon won five to nothing? It's not crazy. I
did think that Morob won the first round. All three
judges gave Morob the first round. One judge gave him
the second round as well, and that's it. So he
basically won four to one, and you could have argued
it five to nothing. Could the fight have been closer

(12:04):
BC and maybe even gone the other way if this
had happened under somewhat different circumstances. I think that that's
a fair thing to consider, and Morale will get an
opportunity to prove such a thing. Well, actually we don't
know how that will go, but probably we'll get a
way to prove that. Like there's no way. Listen, here's
the reality, right. I have seen fighters who even in

(12:27):
cases where they won Fighter of the Year two thousand
and nine, Josialdo, twenty eleven, John Jones. They had four
fights in a year Jose Aldo, though only one of
those was a title fight in two thousand and nine.
In twenty eleven, for John Jones, he went four to
Zho and had four finishes, by the way, but three
of them were title fights. One was not the Ryan

(12:47):
Bader fight. Then you have twenty twenty where Devison Figuredo
does have four title fights, although he missed wait for
the first one so he was ineligible to win it,
but it still was a five round title fight, but
he went three to zero to one. He had a
draw in his last one. To my knowledge, certainly in
the modern era, no one has done this, not at
the UFC level. Maybe in other organizations, but not in

(13:10):
It's just never been done. Is very, very difficult to
do that kind of a thing. You can't ignore that, BC,
you can't. But we also just have to kind of
be honest. Like when you get a prediction right, cool,
when you get it wrong, time to think about why.
In this particular case, I don't think it was necessarily
wrong to maybe default to Yan the guy, or sorry,
default to Morob the guy had beaten him before. He

(13:32):
was on the run of all runs. You know that's
I think that's pretty fair. At the same time, BC,
you know he's human too. We've just been coasting in
this world where oh there are rules for everybody else
and Morob just defies them. But we finally found a
spot where the rules began to apply to him to

(13:53):
and he looked a lot more human as a consequence
he did.

Speaker 3 (13:56):
And I'm not saying that's the reason why, because ultimately
Yan stuff the takedowns Yon scoring I was wrong Long Island.
Luke corrected me in real time, dead wrong me on.

Speaker 4 (14:04):
A Monday five of nine.

Speaker 3 (14:07):
So that all matters. The wrinkles in his boxing game matters,
and I don't. I'm not going to piss on Morob
for ambition and trying to be great, but now in hindsight,
I do have to say, not just the four training
camps in a year, in all that talk about the
way cut and we played that video Friday of DC
talking to Shaq on CBS Sports HQ and saying, Morob

(14:28):
cuts it in an old school style that you know
could leave him depleted. Again, I don't think that was
the reason why he lost. They said on the broadcast
he sparred five full rounds the morning of the fight,
like Morob has that Dennis Rodman level gas tank, where
after an NBA game, Rodman would go back on the
cardio vascular machines for another two hours just to get
that out of his system. But when I look back,

(14:50):
specifically the interview I had with Morob, and it's weird.
They played a quote of it on UFC Embedded episode
three last week, and I was kind of wondering why
they played the quote because it was a quote that
when Morob said it in real time, I sort of
went like, wait, wait, like that doesn't sound like super
confident champion. And the quote was he said he said

(15:10):
heading into the first Yon fight, which wasn't a title fight,
he wanted to win so badly because of the personal
trash talk back and forth between them, that in his
mind he was fighting to the death, he was fighting
for a title even though it wasn't one, and that
it was all personal and that's what fueled him. And
he goes, I don't know why, but in this rematch,
I don't feel the same emotions. He's like, I'm not

(15:31):
even nervous. I just feel like this is sport. And
you know, so I'm now starting to wonder, if you know, Mariah,
was he being a little greedy trying to fit this
in to end the calendar year. I mean maybe, but
that fire didn't seem to be the same. It didn't
seem to be on that same level. I don't know.
Maybe it became a job this year to try to

(15:52):
get to that level of history and do this. And
I don't know what would happen if Morob had had
six months off, you know, full camp, everything healthy, what
have you. A lot of this was Pyotr Jan rising
to the occasion, and that's what happens. And oh, by
the way, let's give him Rob credit. I mean, he's
like a beating. He made that a crazy fun fight.
It was a very good title fight. But in hindsight,

(16:14):
I think there are a few different lanes where you
can look at how Morob handled this whole thing and
kind of picked that apart. And I'm not gonna do
the Jed Michu and post the tweet and say, by
the way, Morob was never the go and you guys
all fell for it. But we did see a great
fighter in a time we thought was the absolute apex
peak of his career, looking to double down on history

(16:35):
over extend himself. I think we can say that firmly
at the very.

Speaker 4 (16:38):
Least, he chased greatness and sometimes you're gonna get it
and sometimes you're not. And this is the part of
the stretch that is the most difficult, and he came
up short. I am perfectly. What is Jed's argue, Who
is the bantamway goat according to him?

Speaker 3 (16:54):
I don't know, but you remember on pregame preview, Jed
gave a long ran about Morob's just a you know,
decision machine, so you know, like not he's not the best.
His argument was Morob may have accumulated the type of
wins that could make you the bantam weight goat, but
because he's not a finisher, because he just sort of
leans on that cardio in the wrestling that he's not
the actual best fighter in Banas.

Speaker 4 (17:16):
He's not. He's definitely not the best pure fighter. That's true,
Like he doesn't like he what is he the best?
That is he the best wrestler. He's a very good wrestler.
He's maybe not the best. He's certainly not the best striker.
He's not the best submission guy. You know, there's guys
who have more developed skills than him. But his level
of accomplishment is I don't think really debatable. But getting
back to the point, PC, the guy chased greatness and

(17:39):
and I think for the most part, PC found it.
For the most part, he did find greatness. He just
wanted to go to a level that had truly never
been gone to before, not successfully, and that's a really
difficult thing to do. I'm also going to say this PC,
this is not necessarily the case with Volt versus Lopez,
although I take Lopez as a dangerous threat. You know,

(18:00):
he could still very much win that one given that
folks older and chinny now right. But in general, what
I want to say was, this is why rematches are
important for long title reigns, Like giving these fighters another crack,
another world class guy another crack at you, particularly years later.
I hope everyone can appreciate that's a daunting task. And

(18:21):
you know, for a guy like Saint Pierre to fight
Pen twice, cost Check twice, you know, he really went
out there and gave a lot of these you know,
elite guys an opportunity to get like another run at him,
and he was still able to defeat basically all of them.
It's important in a guy's title reign that he get
newcomers as well as other standouts who get to retool

(18:45):
and give it another go, because you just never know
what's going to happen in the sport. Rematches under the
right circumstances are very important.

Speaker 3 (18:52):
Yeah, just the final thing I want to say is
in my interview, it was kind of glazing Morab, like
playing up the histories, making the fact that he's kind
of already been called the bandam weight goad. You know,
if he keeps up that streak of consecutive wins, he
could break the record. And it was weird. He was
almost interrupting me to be like hold on, brother, Like
I'm just human, you know what I mean. I just
work hard, you know. So I don't know that was
I just got these weird feelings during the interview. But

(19:14):
shout out to Jan the way he pulled it out.
Let's hear from pyotr Yan on a just a beautiful
comeback victory to ascend the throne of one of the
sports best divisions.

Speaker 8 (19:25):
Yeah, the media watching shoe box mi Boroza.

Speaker 9 (19:39):
Yahbal you know, not exactly, but it was more of
like I I streamedlined myself to the belt really quick.

Speaker 6 (19:46):
You know.

Speaker 9 (19:46):
I kind of thought that I already knew everything, I
got all the skills for everything, you know, and and
and I underestimated how much goes into this championship mentality
in the preparation to be a champ.

Speaker 8 (19:58):
Yes, now, ALASHIPKEI made a GIMMI by s Nach to
get the Minkaman Robote.

Speaker 9 (20:12):
I know which mistakes I allowed myself to make before
that first fight, and I know that the big thing
that was missing was teamwork. And this is something that
we fixed. We are now a team.

Speaker 3 (20:23):
You look, you can argue looking back on the losses
he suffered at the highest level that like maybe one
was clean and clear. So what do you believe this comeback,
the way that he's raised his game at age thirty
two here, what does it say about his potential upside
moving forward?

Speaker 4 (20:41):
Well, what's kind of interesting to me, And I think
this is something I've not seen discussed enough, which is
in many ways, the way he rushed to the title
so quickly ended up causing him to not be able
to hold on to it. On the other hand, the
fact that he lost it so early into his athletic

(21:02):
prime despite having as we've talked about, the three subsequent
losses back to back to back, it actually enabled him
during his prime to reconstitute himself and then reclaim the belt.
Towards the end of his prime. He's thirty two BC.
I think he's going to be thirty three. I think
around February. I could be wrong. You can double check that.

Speaker 6 (21:20):
Hold on.

Speaker 4 (21:20):
I goud steeze. Excuse me, yeah, thank you. But it
actually is kind of interesting. Most people, they you know,
a lot of guys, they don't get the title until
they're almost in the middle or the end of their prime,
or least some title opportunities. But because he got it
so early, he was able to reconstitute himself and then
recapture it still within the late end anyway of the

(21:43):
prime version of himself. That unusual early detour BC, and
with the right changes in his teamwork, the right changes
in his game, leveling up all the other things that
go into it, but being able to channel that back
enable him to have success on this back end. Again,
everything about this is unusual. He's not supposed to be

(22:04):
in this position. But by the virtue of all of
the many things that have happened to him and his
considerable talent, here he is bucking the trend you're asking
about where he goes upside. He's still got some good
time left. Do you favor him against Umar. Do you
favor him against Morob and a rematch? These are really
difficult fights. It's going to be hard for either of
those guys to win, and any of the three, but

(22:24):
he is going to make it tough for any of
them and I can't wait to see. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (22:29):
Before we get into what's next, I also need to
mentioning that he learned the lesson that a lot of
people learn against Morob, that that Cardio is just a
different beast inside the Devalishvili. So if you want to
contend with him, right, I always make that comparison back
to Stepe, who lost that very competitive five round main
event against Junior Dosatos, part impartially because he had to

(22:51):
learn in that moment what five yar on cardio really was.
Emboided Stepe turn that around for the future of his career.
You gotta give you on a ton of credit for
the cardio he had in this rematch to be able
to keep it up at that level, especially in the
championship rounds, when normally Morob just turns it up to
another gear and just overwhelms. You look like taking away

(23:13):
from the grind of Morob doing four camps the way
cut all of that, I think you can take it
away because Yan raised his game so much that even
if Morob was seventy five percent of himself, if that's true,
that seventy five percent could still win on most nights
against almost anybody in the world. But Yan knew what
he was up against. He retooled, so on the flip side, Luke,

(23:35):
I did want to sneak this question in. You always
talk about when someone's on top for a long time
that the tape study just gets build up and up
and up. And yes, we kind of fell into that
same groove when someone's so dominant for so long, where
we both kind of said it heading into this fight
that like, until Morob, until he doesn't, I'm gonna believe

(23:55):
in him and I'm gonna pick him. How much of
this victory do you think was the idea that, for
as great as Morob is, and he raised up his
striking in recent fights, he's become a legitimate top three
pound for pound fighter coming into this fight, how much
was it that, like all of those things that made
him great, you give the opponents enough time to study
it and figure it out that in some cases his

(24:17):
style was almost solved by Yon in this performance.

Speaker 4 (24:21):
There's there's no question in my mind, and this is
the most important I want to say something too, because
as Morob has gotten hotter and hotter and hotter. Obviously
it came to a conclusion on Saturday, but during this long,
incredible run he's been on where he's basically defeating every
style with what can be described as labor. I mean,
you know, he obviously nearly knocked out San Hagan, he

(24:42):
submitted Shawn O'Malley, but in general we kind of know
what the score is. So I've been doing a lot
of thinking like what kind of style beats Morob? You know,
what do you have to have? And one of the
things I've been thinking about was that, you know, I
don't know how much sense it makes to try and
out labor the guy. And you know, yes, you want
to fight takedowns, but not super hard, Like what you
want to do is be able to to a time
super hard. But in general, what you want to be

(25:03):
able to do is just score maximum damage, right because
otherwise he's just going to be able to keep working.
And to me, what is so impressive about what Yan
did was Yan actually was like, no, that's actually not
the game plan. The game plan is we're gonna out
wrestle him first and then we're gonna worry about the
damage that comes later. And there were some other adjustments

(25:25):
that he made. I don't know if anyone picked up
on this. He got his legs battered by Morob in
the first fight. Morob tried it this time and he
checked him early, and Rob never really went back to it.
Like that is an important adjustment, and it leads me
to say the following, Not only did he show what
you actually have to have, which is, you know, other
worldly level of wrestling, but it doesn't start with damage first,
and don't worry about the wrestling. It's worry about the

(25:46):
wrestling and then let the damage take care of itself.
And more to the point, I think that they kind
of knew what his offensive system is. B See, he's
got head inside singles, head outside, singles, doubles, different setups
for all three and against the fence. He has different
ways in which he goes to try and trip out
Cosota hooks, all different with things he uses. He has
some kind of judo throws as well. He's got a

(26:07):
Nucci mata, things like that. They had him dead to rights.
They figured out all of the places that you need
to stop or reverse it to utterly kill it in
the process, and it had a pronounced effect on the
whole thing. I mean understand. You know forty nine takedown
takedowns attempted in their first fight. He only got eleven

(26:28):
of them, which I know eleven is a lot, obviously,
but relative to forty nine is not very high. Yan
did a really good job the first time, but to
reduce him to two and not just reduce him to two, BC,
he didn't get off nearly as many attempts either. They
knew what his offensive system was. And by the way,
I haven't mentioned how this goes to the front headlock.
He couldn't make effective use of the front headlock in
this fight. He got two cradles in the first fight.

(26:51):
They figured him out. And to your point BC about
looking at the tape, they clearly clearly game planned around
the specific sinne that Mirob puts you in. Work those out,
and I thought he did a brilliant job.

Speaker 3 (27:06):
Yeah, and I thought there were two significant moments where
Yon really planted the flag to say this will not
look like the first fight. The first one was in
round one when he landed that huge I think it
was a counter left hand that you know, visibly stung
Morob and showed him that like if you're just gonna
spam me, like you're gonna pay for it. And then
obviously the second one was round three when he picked
him up and slammed him on his damn head. Luke

(27:29):
never never would have guessed that in that moment, I
felt like had a profound shift and like this is
Yan's night. From that moment for it, it really felt
like this was going to be Yon's It.

Speaker 4 (27:40):
It takes the right positioning, it takes a little moxy,
but it's also them understanding position If I'm going for
a guillotine on UBC, what is protecting me from getting slammed?
I mean could be positioned if I'm putting enough stress
on your low back or something like that. But my
hands are occupied. So if your hands are occupied and
you're in a good enough position to be able to
get to an angle to do it, dude, give him

(28:00):
frequent flyer miles And that's exactly what he did. He
had no way to brace himself, so he went crashing first,
a face first into the mat. Just just amazing. Situational
awareness because they knew to plan for that front headlock series.

Speaker 3 (28:13):
Now, I did feel bad watching the the clip that
was posted online after Morob like in tears apologizing to
his family and his country. I mean, he's been such
a decorated champion. He's got a hilarious personality. I know,
the pride he has for Georgia and all of that.
So I certainly felt bad. Here's Morob and the ambulance afterwards,
though with his buddy al Joe, where they felt like

(28:34):
they were lightning the mood.

Speaker 10 (28:36):
I am in the hospital with my brother Al Jeb
and then my brother Dram. I'm on the phone with
my mother.

Speaker 2 (28:53):
Hi, I guess And that's.

Speaker 10 (29:02):
A don't like.

Speaker 4 (29:19):
All right, A lot of a lot of Georgian in
that one. But there was a caption too being like,
you know, I'm thanks for everyone for their support and
I'll be back there.

Speaker 3 (29:25):
And by the way, Morob did go to the post
fight party at the club. He did go back with
Nina Drama to eat all those donuts. I don't know
if anyone saw that video as well. So Morob took
it in stride as he always does. Luke, let's close
the discussion by talking about what should be next. Morob
used his time in the post fight interview with Joe
Rogan to push for the idea of an immediate trilogy.

(29:46):
Should that be the direction UFC goes or should they
tell him to take some time off. Told me this
week that he's got some trip planned where he's gonna
go train with Zuck, you know, and but he wanted
to come back in March no matter what I mean. Look,
it's hard to deny a guy that's won fourteen in
a row and we were calling in the bantam weight
go But I really want to see Umar if he

(30:07):
gets by Davis and Figaredo in the next couple months
against Piotrian, That's a fight we almost saw leading up
to this, I would love to see that. What do
you want next? What will happen next?

Speaker 4 (30:18):
So the issue is we've got next month, We've got
basically two bantamweight fights that might have a claim on
the title. Now that's a little crazy to say, BC,
because actually don't think that we have two bantamweight fights
to have a claim on the title, but I have
to admit that we probably will. Here's what I mean. First,

(30:39):
you've got Umar versus Figgy. Now, what's interesting about that
FIVEBC is it's on the prelims, which kind of tells
you what they think about Umar a little bit here.
Maybe that's the first one, but if Umar wins BC,
I think he's got a decent case for a fresh
title shot. That's one. Then you have the other one,
which is much more interesting to me, which is Sean O'Malley,

(31:00):
at least as a weird attraction, Sean O'Malley versus Song
You Dong? Great fight. What I mean is, b see,
can we really sit here and say that if Sean
O'Malley and I'm Gonna make something up knocks out Sean
Song you Dong, They're he's not in the picture for
a title. I'm not saying that he should be. I'm
not saying I think, oh that's the best argument. I'm

(31:22):
saying just look how they're booking title fights.

Speaker 3 (31:26):
Look to be fair, They're booking fights to make stars,
which is kind of what we asked of them to
do in this new era, right sort of.

Speaker 4 (31:33):
I mean, you can do the Strikeforce thing a little
bit where you give guy. The people misunderstand the Strikeforce model.
The Strikeforce model is as follows if there is a
really deserving contender, they didn't really fuck with him too much.
But what they did was they gave them gimmes in between, right,
they give him a deserving guy, two deserving guys, and

(31:53):
then the third one would be like, you know, just
a walk in the park. And it wasn't just for champions,
it was for anyone with a big name. They would
give them tune up fights all the time, and this
did wonders for them. It was an important thing. Pride
did something similar. People look at Fador's resume there like, Okay,
I know this guy, I know that guy. Who the
fuck is this guy? This was done on purpose and
also important to satisfy the Japanese market, But you know,

(32:16):
that can be a thing that's different than you know,
we've got like massively deserving contenders, which I'll get come
back to a bantamait in a second. We're just going
to ignore that. We're gonna give guys title shots off
of one win, you know. I mean again, Strike Force
might have done a little bit like that, but this
feels a little more heavy handed. It's more about giving
guys gimmes in between hard fights rather than just ignoring

(32:39):
the hard fight altogether. What I want to make though,
is BC, Okay, you got O'Malley, maybe, Umar, maybe, but
Morob is the consensus. I think best bantam weight.

Speaker 3 (32:52):
Too, so Hobby, Aman's and Hobbies in this discussion.

Speaker 4 (32:55):
Correct, he's on the outside, but I don't think he's
too far from it fair enough. But Mara, you know,
if you're gonna give anyone a title rematch or I
should say, a trilogy, in this case, it would be
someone like Marab. But here's why I'm gonna say this
is a little different. In addition to mention the other
two names, BC, what you also have here is a
case where it was not a close fight and it's
already their second one. Like there's there's no controversy about

(33:19):
this one. The guy just fucking lost. What I think
they should do BC is give one of the two
winners from UFC three twenty four a shot against Yon.
Morob gets the winner of that.

Speaker 3 (33:31):
How about Morob's a hobby and Umar if he wins,
gets Yan.

Speaker 4 (33:40):
I don't get a lot, I don't hate it. I
don't have a ton of interest in marj.

Speaker 3 (33:46):
It'd be hard for me to get fired up about.
Look I'm not saying I'm supporting sort of the shameless
matchmaking style that they're already employing for next year. I'm
a CBS paramount guy. I want them to use this
new non pay per view platform to build stars. Believe me,
I'm not supporting all the choices. I don't like Diego

(34:06):
Lopez in the spot on you know, again and again.
But for O'Malley to go from two dominant losses against
the champion.

Speaker 4 (34:16):
I get I He's not my choice. If Umar wins,
it should be Umar.

Speaker 3 (34:21):
Yeah, you're setting up a scenario where he would knock
out song You Dong, And I'm not saying that's not
worth nothing, but yeah, I wouldn't love that. I'm also
an Umar guy. I'm just gonna say, like, I believe
this guy is championship ready right now. I believe you
could plug him into the title fight right now. Is
a little Were you not surprised that they put put
Umar in another fight? I thought he was gonna fight
the winner of this fight regardless.

Speaker 4 (34:41):
Bautista's hard to look good against. So for that reason,
I'm not like utterly shocked, but they're definitely they're making
them take a little bit of a longer road, right,
I think that's fair to say.

Speaker 3 (34:54):
All right, all right, we'll see how they roll that out.
But congratulations to Pyotr Yan A no we.

Speaker 4 (34:58):
Got we gotta get a long Like. How distraught were you?

Speaker 11 (35:01):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (35:02):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (35:02):
As each round? First round I thought was pretty competitive obviously,
but after that, brother, the fight was gone.

Speaker 5 (35:08):
It's crazy how the fight was scored, because even after
round one, I was like, damn, man, I kind of
think Yan won that round. It was close, but I
actually gave it to Yan, And then obviously the next
four were very clearly on so I thought it was
five to nothing.

Speaker 7 (35:20):
Yon.

Speaker 5 (35:21):
I didn't even when I heard forty eight forty seven,
I was like, oh shit, are we going to get
some corrupt score in here?

Speaker 6 (35:25):
What do we got?

Speaker 3 (35:26):
Yeah? I don't know what DC was on thinking that
Morob was up to.

Speaker 4 (35:29):
Two nil one complaining about DC's commentary, and I was
doing the watch a lot. It's hard for me to
pay attention to it. What was so bad about it?

Speaker 3 (35:36):
He just was kind of matter of fact that it
should be two nothing Morobs. So whenever they were putting
the journalist tweets up of people saying like to nothing, Yon,
he was just like that's crazy. Whereas there's a really
strong argument for round one to be a yan round.
It could go either way. I didn't think round two
was all that close. No, but yeah, the other thing
I wanted to say is too many voices in Morob's corner.

(35:59):
Easy to point out that he lost, but three different
voices competing with each other in Rob's corner in between
each op.

Speaker 4 (36:06):
Yeah, a lot, a lot.

Speaker 3 (36:07):
All right, let's go into topic number two, which was
Saturday's co main event. Yeah, we didn't learn that much
in the end, as Joshua Van, looking to become the
second youngest champion in UFC history behind John Jones, accomplished
the feat but not in the way that we would
have hoped or wanted here in a round one TKO
win via injury, as after exchanging a very high pace

(36:28):
exchange for both fighters in that first minute, you had
a very unusual ending as Champion Alexandro Pantosa reached out
his arm to catch himself on the fall and injured
his elbow his shoulder. There was a little bit of
debate to that just thirty seconds into the fight, resulting
in a title change. Very reminiscent, by the way, Luke

(36:49):
when you and I were cage sided for Bellator NYC
and Michael Chandler lost his title to Brent Primis on
that injured foot where you're just like, why do the
rules mean that the title has to change hands? On there?

Speaker 4 (37:00):
Just my editorium, I can tell you the answer. There's
actually a very good reason for it. Why shouldn't it understand?
He threw a head kick to Josh Van who caught it,
and then he tries to escape and Van actually kind
of releases him and on the landing he whatever whatever
happened there, he had the he had the injury. That's fighting.

(37:21):
Nobody fouled him. Sometimes you do a spinning kick and
you twist your ankle. Sometimes you get your jaw broken
by you know, uh, you ran into his hip, you know,
or some kind some kind of weird medical event. An
injury happens just in the course of fighting itself, independent
of someone that you know, landing a knockout blow. That's
part of fighting. The part where it becomes an issue

(37:42):
is if it's from a foul. That's when you bring
in the doctor. When you cast time, you're kicked in
the balls, you get raked in the eyes, break you
know whatever, the arm elbows, whatever, that's that's just fighting,
that's regular fights.

Speaker 3 (37:53):
I feel like I know why it could. You wouldn't
change the rule because then people could potentially, you know,
fake injuries and try to get out of fights in
which they're losing. I just wish, you know, how boxing
has that rule pertaining to fouls where if a foul
happens before the first four rounds are completed, in an
accidental fall, the fight would go to it. It wouldn't
go to the scorecards, it would be a no contest.

(38:13):
I almost wish there was some sort of whether it's
a half round or a full first round, where if
one of those you know, mysterious injuries happened, where you
can cause an injury. I get that. I think we
can all agree this was just bad luck either way.
Joshuavan is the new champion, and he celebrated like one,
So Luke, while there's very little to glean or take

(38:35):
away from the situation because we just had twenty to
thirty seconds of some fun exchanges. Are we allowed to
say at age thirty five that Pantosia might never be
the same after an injury like this? And for all
we know may not get back to the title level.
I hate even asking you that because I'd almost wish
they pressed pause in the division until he was healthy,
because this is such bad luck. But it is what

(38:57):
it is.

Speaker 4 (38:57):
Luke I, I think he'd probably be a little premature
to be like, oh, he'll never get back, especially if
it's a dislocation. Now, even with a dislocation, a break
can occur, or a tear of a ligament, some kind
of connective tissue can happen as well. If that's the case,

(39:21):
then BC and then we've got some real quality of
movement issues that are going to have an impact. If
it's just a dislocation and there's no surgical intervention that's
really required. I'm not saying that's a great injury, but
that by itself BC should not be disqualifying as a
way to consider him not really eligible for a rematch
or whatever, but to win to be competitive. Would that

(39:43):
would not tell me that? But there's obviously these other factors.

Speaker 11 (39:47):
B C.

Speaker 4 (39:47):
One is does he heal it properly? Does he come
back too quickly? Does he try to like reassert himself
because he doesn't want Van out there with the title
parading like he's somebody that in his view, probably is
not there. There are ways in which that, even if
the injury itself is not so severe, accompanying factors after
the fact can make it difficult for him to ever

(40:09):
regain full function. I would just say, from what we
know so far, which is a big caveat, but from
what we know so far, I've not seen anything that
tells me he can't get back there. But BC, this
is the other part of the conversation, which is the
guy's thirty five. I don't think he's too far from
being thirty six. You know, the lighter you go, that

(40:29):
becomes more and more of a death sentence. Is is
it possible that this is an injury that is a
function of the fact that he's not twenty five, then
the he is thirty five, and then he's put his
body through hell over the years to pursue this occupation.
That is something that I kind of worry about, Like,
is this by itself be see a disqualifying medical event?

(40:50):
Maybe not. However, does it underline and highlight the fact
that this guy is aging in front of us, and
that even if he does have some glory days in
front of him, that window is closing rapidly. I kind
of wonder about that a little bit.

Speaker 3 (41:02):
Yeah, I do. I do too. It reminds me. You
know a friend of the program, Rashad Evans So I
used to do a podcast with and we would go
back and do story time over his career. I always
bring up Luke. I think you remember this when Rashad
after losing the title losing to John Jones, came back
in that comeback win over Chill Sanna, neeing him to
the stomach and finishing him. He looked like he was
ready to be champion again, like he had completely retooled,

(41:25):
and then he suffered the type of injury that he
was never the same from again. You just hope for
Pintosia that doesn't happen, considering the run he had been
on the fact that in the past two years he
had completely turned his legacy reputation around by improving his
game so much. But you can't control these things. They
are what they are. Before we get into this whole

(41:45):
hullaboo over Van celebration, did you see that tweet from
Dominick Cruz who said that fighters should be allowed to
continue even if their limbs are hanging off I mean,
this is the same great decorated champion who, by the way,
I love I love his arkiness, you know all that
who said like he should be allowed to fight to
the death in the cage. He said, someone's gonna die

(42:07):
in MMA, eventually, we should be allowed to do that.
He also thinks Keith Peterson smells like cold cuts and
cheap women. What do you make of that statement he
put up here?

Speaker 4 (42:15):
Yeah, I mean, this is why it's regulated by the government.
You know, fighters deserve to have a very very important
contribution to I think all of the rules, to the
way in which they are governed by them, how they're paid,
like their perspective here very much matters. But they're not
the final arbiters of anything. Neither are we. But they're not,

(42:36):
And this is why they're not. I cannot tell you
how many fighters I know who I've talked to who
have told me stuff, mostly off the record, but not always,
about some kind of medical risk that they're willing to endure,
either to train for a fight or to even compete
during it, or surgical intervention to allow them to compete

(42:57):
in some kind of hobbled state. I mean, I've literally
had guys talked about having their fingers removed. I mean,
just you can't imagine. This is why they can. This
is why it's regulated by the government, because, in addition
to they're being unscrupulous promoters, there are fighters who will
absorb and accept and engage with a level of risk
that is simply untenable. If this is going to be

(43:18):
a practice that we allow to happen in society, there
have to be very clear rules. If you have an
orthopedic injury in the middle of the fight, BC, the
fight is fucking over. It's over, by the way.

Speaker 3 (43:30):
I thought, you know, credit to Dom Cruz's new podcast.
I thought the one he did with TJ. Dillashaw where
they talked about the injury against al Jioe with the
shoulder like that was very good content. Check that out.
And if Cruse thinks Peterson smells like that, he should
meet Jed Mshu. I mean, we've done plenty of pregames
with that guy. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (43:47):
Wow, all right, Dog Mad Dog fifty to fifty butt sweat.

Speaker 3 (43:51):
Yeah. Indeed, First, let's get an injuried update from the
former champ Pantosia if you can Long Island Luke.

Speaker 10 (43:59):
Hello, guys, uh that's what happened, you know, accidents. Uh,
when it goes today, you have see today, I think
I have my best ship on my life.

Speaker 2 (44:11):
Uh.

Speaker 10 (44:11):
When I see Joshava out the other side of the octahn,
I believe I can finish him in the first round.
That's what I try to do best camp on my life,
bast cat wait, best everything.

Speaker 7 (44:23):
You know.

Speaker 10 (44:24):
I feel so comfortable in the actor. That's my my acta,
that's my belt. That's everything I did in my life
and my whole life to that moment, you know. And uh, hell,
just Joshva just came in win this belt. I talk
with my wife about that, like it's not just about
myself today. It's about Joshuva, you know, Joshava that's his

(44:47):
destiny to win this belt tonight. And he just can
win this belt with my injury today, you know. And Uh, I.

Speaker 6 (44:57):
Talk to God.

Speaker 10 (44:58):
God give him the message. And I really believe in
God and all the message. I pray a lot, and Uh,
I'm gonna work very hard. I'll work out very hot
all my life and I'm gonna work again and I'm
gonna take my belt again.

Speaker 7 (45:16):
You know.

Speaker 10 (45:16):
I reappreciate all the message everybody know about myself. Everybolt
in the sand. I very respectful guy. I respect first
my family then everything. You know, I'm never gonna say
bullshit about anyone. I just want to work very hard
and bring my belt to my home again. You know,

(45:38):
I appreciate everybody. Tomorrow, fly back to home Monday. I'm
starting to follow my dream again. Thank you so much.

Speaker 3 (45:48):
Dude. That's heartbreaking. I stand for pants as mess, you
would say, Luke. People think I don't wear them during
strawweight fights. They're wrong. But seriously, the the way that
guy carries himself a lot of love respect. So by
the way, on the flip side, as much as I
don't love seeing him lose his title under these circumstances,
I don't love seeing Van win the title under these circumstances.

(46:10):
Even though it's not his fault to become the second
youngest champion. He celebrated like none of it mattered. A
lot of people took on Bridge. We made sort of
a fun al Joe Sterling joke, but Van he don't
care about the haters. In fact, he was so absolute
about it. We dialed them for murder. We called up
our friends over there at Quervo for a little bit

(46:31):
of shots fired, folks. Core Shots Fired is brought to
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the tequila that invented tequila. Here is Josh Van reacting
to sort of the negative reaction to how happy and
aggressively he celebrated this breakthrough moment Planner's champion.

Speaker 10 (46:54):
I want to be the yeah active champion for sure,
but I'm taking this month off, a month.

Speaker 11 (47:00):
Off, And I guess last thing for me would be,
you know, what would you say to somebody says I
can't count that guy as a real champion, that that
fight didn't really play out?

Speaker 4 (47:09):
Like, what what would you say to him?

Speaker 5 (47:11):
The Yeah, if you do good, they would touch it,
and if you do bad they would talk it.

Speaker 6 (47:17):
So do would make you happy?

Speaker 4 (47:18):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 6 (47:19):
So it don't mettle what they think?

Speaker 3 (47:21):
Man, I want looke in intumation, Fuck them, bro, Yeah
inflormation Me paylo taz astana kid. I mean, is there
any uh is there any villain validity?

Speaker 6 (47:38):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (47:38):
Me go to people criticizing him jumping on the cage,
you know, doing all that whole beef, that whole.

Speaker 4 (47:45):
Look obviously it's going to look weird to the fans
at home who were robbed of a great fight, who
were probably very you know, hey, people who paid for
pay per view b see, it might have been the
last one. I know there was some pirates, but there's
a lot of people who paid I'm sure as well.
And it was like, you know, this is fucking annoying
for that to happen, and then for a guy to
go there and like, you know, he's pounding his chest

(48:07):
like a gorilla and he did something. You know, I
understand that this is going to piss people off. I
sort of get it. At the same time, the guy's
life has been nothing but a very difficult struggle, and
it changed in the last year, culminating in this magic
moment that probably to him feels like DESTINYBC. If you
put yourself in his shoes, like he just must feel

(48:27):
like he's on top of the world. Let him have
some celebration. He'll have to fight someone to keep it.
We'll worry about it then, you know.

Speaker 3 (48:36):
Indeed, indeed, we've got Dana White talking about what will
be next for this title given everything that happened. Let's
listen to the CEO the.

Speaker 4 (48:44):
Tuesday answer as well.

Speaker 11 (48:45):
But I mean, given the way that thing played out,
if he's okay, do you run that one back right away?

Speaker 4 (48:50):
Do you see what he's doing?

Speaker 3 (48:51):
I don't think he's no matter what happens.

Speaker 12 (48:54):
Listen, I'm no fucking doctor or anything, but I don't
see him coming back anytime soon. I think that there
would be a defense before he comes back. I think
he's gonna need some time, you know, the healing process,
and sometimes for most of the time. I would say,
ligaments are worse than a break, so he's got to
come back from that, and then how long until he

(49:15):
starts striking again and stuff like that. So yeah, they'll
probably be a defense before Lassie.

Speaker 3 (49:23):
Well, look, it's gonna take time for people to really
see Van as the champion. Although one more thing on that,
I will say Van talks so much coming into this
fight about this what his success will mean to his
a country of me and mar that it would put
it on the map in people's minds, and that's not
a country that we talk about regularly, especially not a
mixed martial arts So I definitely agree with Van's posture

(49:46):
from the standpoint of what he's saying that the criticism
is gonna be there no matter what. So let me
do me and enjoy my moment. But I'll also say
this is a big ass moment for him, his extended family,
his culture, his country. So I know he came to
the US as a teenager, grew up in Houston, but
that means a lot in that regard, and I'll give
him that.

Speaker 4 (50:05):
So also, also, don't forget, don't forget Burmese Python on
the end, saying the guy out of extreme couture. Yeah,
I've met I've met him a couple of times. Real
nice dude. He he comes from, he calls himself the
Burmese Python, but you know from me and more so,
that little country has still got some you know, he's
got some heavy hitters for sure.

Speaker 3 (50:25):
Yeah, yeah, me and mar What was I saying? I
don't know anyway, it doesn't matter, uh, Luke. In terms
of what's next, You've got the newcomer, the old comer,
he's coming, Luke, Kyogi Horrigucci. You've got Tatsura Taira who
had a breakthrough stoppage win over Brandon Moreno, you've got
the Menel cop versus Brandon roy Vall contender fight next weekend.

(50:48):
Who would you like to see next. For Joshua Van, I.

Speaker 4 (50:59):
Mean, in in theory a rematch, right, I mean, that
seems like the most important one, but obviously that is
going to be medically very difficult, uh perhaps improbable to
pull off. I don't have a better answer than the
winner of this week's main event. I don't know what
the I don't know what it would be. No one's
moving around, there's not I mean, especially if menel Cop wins,

(51:20):
like that's kind of a I mean, the Royval fight
was cool be see, but I don't I don't need
to see it run back right away. What do you
make for.

Speaker 3 (51:28):
Joe Rogan basically editorializing during the interview and saying that
Tyra could be should be next.

Speaker 4 (51:33):
So that's an interesting one too, b C. Because he
looked also, I know we're gonna talk a little bit
more about that in the next topic.

Speaker 3 (51:39):
But I.

Speaker 4 (51:42):
Don't know. I don't know. I mean, Long Island, where
are you on this one? To me, it seems a
little rush to put Tyra in there, especially when Jra
Gucci let's.

Speaker 3 (51:49):
Go good, Let's go good, go Gucci.

Speaker 5 (51:51):
I'm not high on Tyra either, just because he just
lost to Roy Vaut and I feel like pantos is
probably out at least six months, and because Van is
so active, just got him in there.

Speaker 4 (52:00):
In three months against Horror Gucci.

Speaker 5 (52:02):
Also, don't you think it's ironic, Horg Gucci called out
Pantosia and then Pantosa ends up losing. He should have
just called out Josh Van the whole time, didn't even
need to teammate.

Speaker 4 (52:11):
Yeah, long, how about this? Yeah, remember Dana White said
at the Postfi Pressor they were considering taking a show
to Japan? Could you do gouc Tyra? Winner of that
gets it? You know, depending if they can make that
in short order.

Speaker 3 (52:25):
You know, I do think if Cop thoroughly beats roy Vall,
then that could change the discussion because he's been on
a run. You got to give Cop that credit. Cop
Killer iced Tea. What was the name of that band
that I see you?

Speaker 4 (52:37):
Body count?

Speaker 3 (52:38):
Body Count? And also, do you notice how long on
Luke's like, I'm not high on Tyra? Dude, high as
shit right now?

Speaker 4 (52:43):
In general?

Speaker 3 (52:44):
Okay, let's give him that, No, Luke, Lukeseda guy?

Speaker 4 (52:48):
All right?

Speaker 2 (52:48):
Luke.

Speaker 3 (52:49):
So to close on this topic, by the way, two
decorated top five pound four pound champions getting their titles
flipped upside down, which makes an interesting scenari for the UFC.
Balanc Gonna Shochenko on her second reign at Flyway with
two defenses on the second reign is the longest reigning
UFC champion at the moment. Here's a graphic of some

(53:12):
of that turnover. Uh. In one way, you expect it
because the sport's crazy. But in another way, Luke, it's
weird to see all the old guard just chopped down
one by one.

Speaker 7 (53:23):
Man.

Speaker 4 (53:24):
I mean, there's some of these you could have seen coming.
You probably didn't think the Wall was going to end
the year as champion, know, but the Yon one just
didn't see coming. I mean, uh, I don't know. There's
just a bunch of these. You're like, wow, this is
uh here. I mean, you're here one day, gone the
next brother, it is.

Speaker 3 (53:42):
Yeah, and Caerra regained the title to his credit, and
both to Poria and Mahachev moved up so they won
titles new weight divisions. But you know, I didn't necessarily
see a lot of this happening. By the way, Chimayav
is now saying he's gonna fight one more at middleweight
than he's going up to two five, so it could continue,
Luke for all.

Speaker 4 (54:00):
Yeah, which means Poton's going to go to heavyweight. You
know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (54:04):
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(55:08):
All right, thank you? Right, all right, let's go on
over new topic number three elsewhere on the UFC three
to twenty three main card. How about vandamwaight prospect Peyton
Talbot during the same year in which he had his
balloon popped by veteran Hyoni Barcellos and a lot of
talk about whether he was on his way to becoming
more of a bust. What is this some kind of bust? Yeah,

(55:31):
it's very impressive or or could he turn it around?
He bounced back from the Barcelos lost with a big win,
and he came out against Henry Sujudo and I'll let
it to a lot look like the finished product, the
absolute real deal. What did Peyton Talbot, who beat up
Henry Suhudo in the Legend's final fight, earning a unanimous decision.

(55:53):
What did he ultimately prove to ult about his upside
after taking Suhuto to the woodshed man and putting it
on him.

Speaker 4 (56:03):
B See if Josh Van is excluded from the category
of breakthrough Fighter of the Year. I honestly might have
to give it to Peyton Talbot, and that's a little
bit crazy, because I know there's some other guys who
have had some great breakout years, but I actually feel
like his loss almost sets the table for what has
been so amazing BCE. He fought three times this year.

(56:26):
He looked like shit against how many Barcellos, who we
all recognize is also having a great year, So credit
to him, But he looked kind of bad in that fight,
look like he was unprepared for the moment, and I
was kind of excuse me, I want to thank my
daughter for sneezing right into my mouth the other day.
It's been a great couple of days since then. Anyway,

(56:49):
he looked good against Felipe Lima and his rebound. In fact,
it was very good against Felipe a Lima. And you're like, Okay,
we're definitely not in emergency territory, and I know what
everyone's gonna say. They're gonna say, all right, but Henry
was literally at the end, he was washed a shit,
and that's true. However, what I'm gonna point out is
number one, BC he got beaten everywhere. Number two he
got taken down twice in the same round, and once

(57:10):
with Henry's signature inside trip takedown. Henry has, in my
judgment at least up to this point anyway, has had
the best inside trip in all of MMA, and Peyton
hit him with it and then had composure at the
end of the fight BC pointing down at the mat
and exchanging with him in that place, like dude, he
came alive this year and I think he got a

(57:32):
little bit of cold water splashed in his face by
Barcelos in January and it woke him up. And now
look at him. How far he can go? I think
is certainly an important debate to have, and we're gonna
have it. But I've never not just I'm not just
hirghed because of the state of the wind. I'm inspired
by the speed of the development. And clearly he's got
a fire under his ass that is motivating him. And

(57:54):
look at the rewards of it. We are. This was
so much fun and so great to see a young
prospect really take a big turn in his career.

Speaker 3 (58:04):
So huge because when this fight was announced and we
all loved the matchmaking, we all said the same thing.
I think Shudo gets this done. I mean I remember
hearing him, you know, plus two hundred something, whatever the
odds were, and you're thinking, so, Hudos still got enough
game planning mindset, you know, I Q all of that,
but Talbot took it away looking like the next generation

(58:25):
bandam Way. It reminded me of the moments leading into
the ipokes against song Ya Dong where I felt like
Suhudo for the first time was just didn't have enough
on his fastball, had to do too much fainting shenanigans
just to get a shot off, like he had taken
that step behind. And while I thought Shudo looked better
this fight, the fact that Talbot looked great in every aspect,

(58:46):
switching stance, is, kicking, punching, the wrestling. I mean, it
was incredible. I give Henry a lot of credit for
being willing to take this fight, for being willing to
brawl to the end like the true warrior he is,
despite you know, I mean, yeah, he's cringe of shit.
We could argue he shouldn't have taken that much time
off in his prime, all that stuff, but he handled

(59:07):
himself like a real fighter. I even liked the exchange
after the loss when he talked to Dana sort of
pleaded for the fifty K, thanked Dana for giving him
the opportunity for him and his family. They played the
video package. It was all a nice moment. Yet that
was the subplot to the true story of Peyton Talbot
climbing through an up and down year and returning to

(59:29):
being looking like that guy the future of this division.
I mean, let's show the damage that he put on
a true legend and so Hudo, good lord Luke Thomas,
whoa dude.

Speaker 4 (59:39):
He beat him up. He beat him up everywhere there
was nowhere. I mean again, I thought Sahudo fought back
with real spirit, and I think that's real. But in
the end, like what did he materially do to Peyton Talbot?
Not much, not much. In the end he got run
over in that fight. Also, I do want to say

(59:59):
this bec you know, we kill him when they don't
do stuff like this, but when they get it right,
it's worth saying. The promo package, it wasn't an promo package,
but like the thank you package at the end, the
video package for Sehudo that they had ready, where they're
showing all these highlights and he's climbing this hill the
whole time dude, this was This was fantastic. When they're
ready for those kinds of things, they kill it. It

(01:00:21):
was great they did.

Speaker 3 (01:00:23):
And I have loved the career of Henry Shudo, mostly
because I never believed in him early on, and he
won me over over that time. And Luke, when you
look back at everything he has accomplished, I mean, I'm
not willing to say he's the you know, combat goat
of all time, but to win the Olympic gold medal
in wrestling, to make that transition to the sport, to

(01:00:44):
upset Demetrius Johnson, even though I didn't like the scoring
in that rematch, hey, he got it done. He won
the championship, He won a championship in a second division
and probably saved one twenty five and since then he's
pretty much only saw the best fights he could possibly make.
He d near regained the Bandam weight title against al
Joe off of that long layoff. In your eyes, how

(01:01:06):
should we remember what Suhudo gave to the sport.

Speaker 4 (01:01:11):
One of the very best smaller weight fighters ever in
company history, somebody who's athletic pedigree from a previous composite sport,
and the unbelievable success they had there only made MM
look better, especially when he struggled at first, but then
of course, you know, being triumphant also makes MM look better.

(01:01:34):
It's sort of like a Yan and a Yang kind
of thing. And you know, one of these guys who
you know, people have said BC, like, oh, is he
a what if? And I don't think that's fine. Maybe
you disagree. I just don't think that's quite right, because
if you win two world weight if you win two titles,
you know, it's hard to say you underachieved. Was the

(01:01:55):
idea that he was gonna win? Come on, yeah, I
don't know. Well, I mean, but he did leave during
the middle of his prime for a big chunk, and
let's be honest, BC, he never won when he came back.
His career literally never recovered from that, never ever got
back to the right moment. And so there is a
story to be told about that PC. But for me,

(01:02:15):
easily one of the better, not the best, but something
one of the better lower weight fighters we've ever had
in the sport, one of the early champ champs as well,
to a degree and a credit to the sport of wrestling.

Speaker 3 (01:02:27):
If nothing else, I give him, ultimately the credit of
being one of the smartest game planners I've ever seen,
and that's what won me over. You know, I didn't
think he was all that great coming up. You know,
he got humbled by DJ that first time when he
won the second championship, you know, and put himself at
a very high level historically with the other you know,
at that point, there wasn't many two division champions. I

(01:02:50):
felt it was almost premature and he had sort of
figured out how to sidestep his way to becoming an
all time name. And then I really dialed into who
he really was and watched how smart and a lot
of that look. I give credit to the be dazzled
captain our guy who was in the cage afterwards, Luke
coach Eric Right, what's.

Speaker 4 (01:03:09):
The last name? Yeah, Albert scene.

Speaker 3 (01:03:11):
Albert scene our guy shout out to him. But seriously,
Henry evolved. It took him time, but he evolved into
one of the smartest fighters, game planning wise, well roundedness,
and as we saw on Saturday, when he needs to
bite down, he'll get it for you, like when he
outslugged Joseph Benevitez in one of his early UFC fights.
You know, a fight of the Year campaign. Fantastic stuff

(01:03:32):
right there from Henry Suhudo. But shout out to Peyton Talbot.
Let's see the takedown celebration pick. This made the rounds
on Twitter, the huge smile, the tongue out. Who would
have thought that he would have done exactly what you said,
reverse that trip into a position where you know he
had Suto in control, although they did point out on
the broadcast that Shudo isn't active enough when he's on

(01:03:53):
the bottom there, But that was surprising to see Luke.

Speaker 4 (01:03:56):
Yeah, celebrating this way and he got another one like
a hard blast double as well, you know, and the
fact that it looks homo erotic BC is just probably
icing on the cake for Talbot relative to Sahudo. But no,
it's incredible, dude, I mean, that's what I mean. Man.
He beat him literally everywhere. The fact that Henry survived

(01:04:17):
is a credit to his fighting spirit. But that's the
only thing that was saving him in that fight, and
his skills weren't getting the job done anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:04:24):
Let's hear from Peyton Talbot after this truly breakthrough win.
This is how aging names should hand it off, right,
Not Anderson silv against Derek Brunson. This is the type
of fight let's hear from Talbot.

Speaker 4 (01:04:35):
I thought I did pretty good.

Speaker 13 (01:04:36):
I need to watch it back as always, but to
take down a former Olympic champion twice is pretty major,
especially with his bread and butter. So it's surreal, pretty
cool putting down a old yeller and retiring a goat
like that.

Speaker 11 (01:04:54):
Your striking look fantastic as well, But is it the
two takedowns that you're gonna take the most pride in tonight?

Speaker 13 (01:04:59):
I need to I rewatched the striking. I felt like
I was a little sloppy. I was having a little
too much fun.

Speaker 4 (01:05:04):
But yeah, you certainly hadn't heard a number of times.

Speaker 11 (01:05:07):
Were you surprised at just how durable it was because
it looked like there were a couple of times where
he was gonna break and he just kind of refused
to go away.

Speaker 13 (01:05:13):
Yeah, Henry's tough man, He's I think he only got
finished once by Demetrius, right. Yeah, so I knew he
was gonna be pretty tough to finish, and I knew
it was probably gonna be late late in the fight
if I dig it one.

Speaker 4 (01:05:26):
But I was hitting him really.

Speaker 13 (01:05:28):
Hard, man like that's the hardest that's up there on
how hard I've hit people. And I saw I saw
the decision in him when he was like, I could
go out right now, or I could fight through this
and get the decision to fight through it.

Speaker 11 (01:05:43):
Will you seek his advice, you know, in the future
and training with them.

Speaker 13 (01:05:46):
And yeah, he's gonna make a phenomenal coach, you know,
wherever he moves through this. You know, if he chooses
to stay in it and coach a little bit, he's
gonna be phenomenal at it. So yeah, I'd go and
seek his knowledge.

Speaker 11 (01:05:59):
Last thing for me, you know, there's a point where
it looked like you were gonna be fast tracked, that
you have the setback, but you looked atm anazing and
this is a signature win. So where do you see
your career progressing at this point? I mean, do you
want you said you're learning and getting better and improving,
But do you like, hey, throw me in the rankings,
throw me in the top now, or is it still like.

Speaker 4 (01:06:15):
Just a steady progression for you at your young age.

Speaker 13 (01:06:18):
I don't think I have a choice. I think I'm
gonna have a number by my name now either way.
But I mean, this is where I wanted to be.

Speaker 4 (01:06:25):
I wanted to be in the.

Speaker 13 (01:06:26):
Top ten and just swimming with the sharks. So that's
kind of what I wanted out of this. And I
was super calm all week because I felt at peace
with that that if I did my job in the cage,
then I would have a number by my name at
the end of this. So yeah, I'm just I'm at
peace with that, and that's what I've wanted from the
get go. I'm not super fixated on the belt. I

(01:06:47):
just want to put on banger fights and find the
toughest guys.

Speaker 3 (01:06:51):
Luke, he uh just turned twenty seven years old. I'm
not trying to say he should fight for the title next,
but this is a great step forward. If he's looking
for a ranked guy, maybe somebody in the back end
of the ten to fifteen. Are we thinking like a
Rob Marcus McGee, what is the best time?

Speaker 4 (01:07:06):
Yeah? Yeah, I mean, this is this is where he's at.
He's should be either in the top ten or pretty
close to it. Long Island Lucas saying, Cheeto Vera. That
seems a little.

Speaker 5 (01:07:17):
I don't know if I'm I don't know, So Hudo's
number ten right now. So Peyton's going to be number ten.

Speaker 4 (01:07:22):
I know, I know that the numbers make sense.

Speaker 5 (01:07:24):
I'm saying he goes eight coming off a couple of losses.
I feel like that's I think he's eight.

Speaker 4 (01:07:28):
I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:07:29):
He did push him. Getting this to hudo fight on
the main card is a push. Yeah, he got the push.

Speaker 4 (01:07:33):
Maybe maybe maybe long Island's right, Maybe that's a good
fight for him, And again it's something that's a bad
fight for us. I'm saying it's a good fight for him.
That's a different question. But yeah, yeah, yeah, maybe that is.
Maybe that is. I will have to see, but certainly
that's the company that he's in now BC We'll see
if he can go from there.

Speaker 3 (01:07:50):
Let's move down to the flyweight division. Two time champion
Brandon Moreno entered this fight against Tatsuro Tyra as a
betting underdog, and we were very surprised by that. Boy
was I'm surprised to see the way the fight ultimately
went as the sharps knew what they were talking about.
Tyra is so happy, for sure, and he has reason
to be stopping Moreno for the first time in the

(01:08:12):
Great Mexican Former champion's career and really making a statement
two consecutive wins after that main event brawl against Brandon
Royvall in which Tyra lost and although he fought well
at times, he looked incomplete in that fight. Two fights later,
this is a different story, Luke. Was this fight more
about Tyra surging or did you see elements of Moreno

(01:08:37):
showing that the beginning of the end is here?

Speaker 4 (01:08:42):
So I will tell you Moreno's not old, but he
not being dog years. You know. First of all, Tyra
looked better physically than I've ever seen him. He's always
obviously been great at finding you know, lead positions, particularly
the back in grappling, so that part was not new,
But BC, I mean I would. I know I'm doing

(01:09:02):
this a lot, but I really want to do it
one more time because I haven't talked to him yet
long Island. Let me ask you a question. Did Tyra
look physically more imposing than he had in the past,
and then they operate that way? And then two? Is
it my imagination or did it look like Moreno wasn't
taking the punches as well as he normally does.

Speaker 5 (01:09:22):
I gotta be honest, I didn't notice either of those
things that much. I just remember round one, Moreno off
his back almost had that triangle, and I thought he
was gonna get that, and then.

Speaker 4 (01:09:32):
Before I know it, the fight's over.

Speaker 6 (01:09:33):
I didn't think it was a weird stop. It did
you guys think it was a weird stop?

Speaker 3 (01:09:36):
A little quick for that?

Speaker 4 (01:09:37):
I thought it was a little now. I didn't think
it was crazy early. I thought it was a little
early exactly.

Speaker 5 (01:09:41):
It was almost just like, in a matter of moments,
oh shit, the fight's over. And then I it just
felt like anti climactic.

Speaker 6 (01:09:47):
I don't know. Maybe again I bet on Moreno, so
that's probably why.

Speaker 4 (01:09:51):
But yeah, dude, I don't know. He looked a little
like he couldn't take punches that well, not so much
in the standing, but definitely like from the back when
Tyra was unloading on him, he wasn't scrambling with the
same kind of force that you saw him, at least
in my view get in the Figaredo fight. Now, part
of that is the pinning pressure that Tyro was applying, Okay,

(01:10:12):
but even then, it just seemed like he was a
little bit dare I say manhandled, you know what I mean?
It kind of looked like he manhandled him. Do the
odds makers we were all like, oh, these are crazy
odds and all they weren't. They were right on the money.

Speaker 3 (01:10:25):
You know, Yeah, those guys tend to know what they're
doing to protect the house, it turns out. But you look,
Tyro was in insanely great shape as well. He looked
like he was ready to go five hard rounds even
though this was a three round fight. So breakthrough performance
for him. I'm not ready yet for him at the
title level. I think he needs one more. I'd rather
have Horror Gucci or the winner of roy Val Cop
And maybe I don't know, does this does rouvalt re

(01:10:51):
enter the title picture because Pantosio, who beat him twice
is now out as champion? Or is it the fact
that Royval lost to Jan or to Van earlier this year.
Would that disqualify him or would you say, well that
was a Fight of the year contender where you know
Royval was in it until the final thirty seconds when
he got knocked down. How do you review Roval's title chances?

(01:11:13):
If he gets by Cop.

Speaker 4 (01:11:15):
Pretty good, if Van is there, because you can run
that one back. They may not want to because they
just saw it, but they could still do it. I
mean he, I mean, they're definitely not better with Pantojia
at the top. Right at least with Van you got
one more shot at it, so he has to feel
like he's got a little bit of a boost as
a consequence.

Speaker 3 (01:11:35):
And Luke in the pay per view opener in the
light heavyweight division, it was so much sucked some sisters
kissing in the end with the draw a tie as
in aging and injured Yon Blohovich was unable to ultimately
get past Bogden Guskov. You're telling me you were not entertained.
What does this mean for the former champion Yon moving forward?

Speaker 4 (01:11:59):
I mean, dude, they were literally saying on the broadcast
that he can't lift weights much anymore in camp because
of his shoulder injury. And I'm like, brother, if your
shoulder can't tolerate even moderate weight training, your time's almost up,
you know, like your time's almost up. You can't be

(01:12:20):
that physically infirm and expect to be able to commit
physically to the fight itself when you need to. If
you have that kind of self imposed handicap as a consequence,
like it just it doesn't it doesn't work. And the
fact that he can't really seem to get right. You see,
you can look at his fights that he's had this
terrible streak on and you could say he should have

(01:12:41):
beaten Poeton, he should have beaten Olberg, and maybe, like
when I say should have, I mean like everything should
have gone his way, you know, but they just didn't.
And now they're accumulating, and now his body is failing,
and now he's forty two. It's like he's not getting
beat up in these fights. B see, he's not getting
his ass whipped. You know, that's not really what's happening.
But I think his best days are very inarguably he

(01:13:04):
find him. If he's trying to go for another title run,
he's wasting his time.

Speaker 3 (01:13:07):
And unfortunately for the division, if this fight was set
up potentially to sort of pass the torch to Guskav
as a new contender. The good news is he's four
to zero to one now since losing his UFC debut
to Volcanosamir. The bad news is he didn't look like
a title contender in the performance. Is that too harsh
to say?

Speaker 4 (01:13:25):
I mean, no heavyweight sucks ass.

Speaker 3 (01:13:28):
That's the true fact. Yeah, I want all the light
heavyweights to just go up to heavyweight anyway. Let's just
we'll just pause the division right now.

Speaker 4 (01:13:34):
Yeah, just get rid of it and have them fight
the big old fat fox all right.

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Speaker 3 (01:15:37):
Yeah, ride the upside or ride the Lightning. Luke, did
you see Caleb Presley's Sunday conversation on barstool with Dana
White where he was pitching a fight of John Jones
versus Connor McGregor pound for pounder for the eurofans, Kilo
for Kilo.

Speaker 4 (01:15:53):
I did not. That's a very funny show, but I
try not to listen to Dana White if I don't
have to. There we go.

Speaker 3 (01:16:01):
Okay, let's go to topic number four. On the prelims
of UFC three twenty three. There were seven finishes, five
by Ko t KO, two by submission. Luke Thomas, pick
off the menu your choice. What was the most impressive
or maybe even most important victory from the prelims, which
featured a ton of names on Saturday Night?

Speaker 4 (01:16:22):
All Right, gotta give big shouts, big shouts. I mean,
it's not the very best of MMA, but it's some
ways the very best of MMA. I'm sure I'm saying
these names wrong. Ewo Barnef's Barnefski Barnef. I don't know
how you say his name, the Polish gentleman versus Ebo
Oslon ninety seconds BC of the crack pipe, That's what

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that was. That was Hunter Biden coming over with a
big old rock and he was like, I cooked up
this rock. Let's smoke this shit, and I want to laptop.

Speaker 3 (01:16:51):
The Russians gave him luke.

Speaker 4 (01:16:53):
You know, yeah, probably, so that was just ninety seconds
on the hit of the crack pipe. It was phenomenal,
but they were not the only ones. They were offering
you something like that, as Chris Duncan defeating Terrence McKinney
with the end of condom on halfway into the first round.

Speaker 3 (01:17:05):
Yet or get god, it's the Terrence McKinney way, right.

Speaker 4 (01:17:08):
That's it. It's it's I mean again, we called him
the evil Canevel of Mma. Brother. He shot out of
a cannon. Either you're ready for it or you're not.
That's the way he fights. It's just he's just guaranteed excitement.
But I have to say, Bce, you know, there's a
bunch of directions you can go. I think most people
are gonna spotlight Macy Barber having a pretty great performance
against Karine Silva. I was moved Okay, well I'll let

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you go then, because she got kicked twice while she
was down. What would move to you about it?

Speaker 3 (01:17:34):
Twenty one months away riding a what six fight win streak.
We'd sort of been waiting for her through scheduled fights
against Blanchefield nama Unis that never took place. She had
a seizure and fainted trying to cut wait last time
she's had undiagnosed issues, injuries, and to put it all
together against a tough opponent in Karine Silva and get
that type of victory. She was emotional afterwards. Look this,

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I was starting to believe she was never gonna be
the I think a lot of us were, so to
see her score this victory and slay those demons, it
felt good.

Speaker 2 (01:18:06):
All right.

Speaker 3 (01:18:06):
I've never been a huge fan of her, you know,
stick or whatever, but like she's proving to be a
legitimate fighter in this division. I had wondered what all
that time off and all those physical setbacks would do.
Did you not get the feeling like she's all the
way back.

Speaker 4 (01:18:24):
She's not all the way back until she can put
together a streak and I mean like consistent activity. Okay,
where we're not having these derailed episodes. I'm not that
I'm blaming her. I'm just saying that's what has to happen.
But this certainly was I mean, what could you call it?
You see a step in the right direction, A big one,
it was. It was really great to see. I gotta
go Jaalen Turner. Jalen Turner, Yeah, retires from the sport.

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Looks like he's completely done with it, comes back. Okay,
you're gonna say he's fighting a washed Barbosa. He is,
but he looked awesome doing it. He found his range immediately,
he had vicious weapons. He beat the shit out of
Barbosa very quickly. Lee without mercy, which is exactly what
you want in the sport, but with but with technical precision.

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That was such a big Using about triumphant returns, we
see that was a great one itself. Also not for nothing.
Mansor abdul Malik. Okay, Antonio Tricoli might be one of
the worst fighters in UFC history. I'm not even doing
a bit with that, like that might be real.

Speaker 3 (01:19:19):
The champions ex boyfriend you're talking.

Speaker 4 (01:19:20):
About, all right, yeah, fair enough. But Mansor Abdul Malik,
who wrestled, if think at the University of Maryland smoked him,
so that was fun to see as well. But there's
a dude, you can go Manual Torres in the main
Long Island Luke your standout on the prelim car.

Speaker 5 (01:19:35):
I mean, now that you named every fight I got,
e WO versus EBO is the clear giveaway here. That
was the best round of the year and it was
only ninety seconds. Uh, what's the only fight we didn't mention?
Bruno Fajeda Marvin Vittoria was probably the worst fight on
the prelims, but it was actually still the dude that Yeah. Yeah,
he also killed two and oh against Sarah Longo, beating
his eam Saidikov too.

Speaker 6 (01:19:55):
I mean, yeah, dude, the prelims were fun as hell.

Speaker 5 (01:19:58):
The last two fights the main for me from fandom standpoint,
just killed it for me.

Speaker 6 (01:20:03):
But the card was really fun up until that point.

Speaker 4 (01:20:05):
For me.

Speaker 3 (01:20:06):
Is Grant Dawson done being relevant? I mean that was
a tough loss.

Speaker 4 (01:20:10):
That was a bad one. I mean his problem is
he's obviously great at grappling. He's great from the back.
He can put you through the cycle, but the parts
of the game leading up to that just are not
where they need to be a win consistently at a
high level in the sport. I mean, I'm not trying
to be a dick. He seems like a great guy,
but it's tough. It's tough. And also Torres was had
a good game plan right they were talking about on

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the broadcast, real patient, took his time and when it
was time to go box them up.

Speaker 3 (01:20:38):
I like the depth on this card. I like the
excitement early on some stories that we talked about. We
do have some sound from Macy Barber here about the
comeback journey, and I hope she gets a huge fight
off of this. Let's hear it.

Speaker 4 (01:20:48):
Congratulations on the win.

Speaker 14 (01:20:49):
But I guess how can you put into words what
you're feeling right now after you know, twenty one months
of not being able to do this.

Speaker 15 (01:20:58):
I don't know if I have all the words. Honestly, it's.

Speaker 14 (01:21:04):
Yeah, there's it's.

Speaker 15 (01:21:06):
Been so long. I don't know if there's a lot
of words to put into that much time.

Speaker 14 (01:21:13):
A lot of fans and even media were saying, you know,
the second Macy even enters the octagon, that's the wind.
Did you were you viewing it that way too? Or
are you just viewing this as like, all right, we're
past that part. Like I'm just here to do to
fight and do what I like again.

Speaker 15 (01:21:27):
Damn now you made me crunched. Sure, yeah, I think
that was the wind. I think that that was exactly
what I I think that that's exactly how I kind
of felt. You know, even in the interview with Joe,
I was like, you know, I'm just really happy to

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be here. I'm just really blessed to just walk out do.

Speaker 8 (01:21:53):
What I love.

Speaker 15 (01:21:53):
I mean, yes, when the when I was walking out,
I mean at the end of the day, like this
is a job that I have. There's another one and
standing in front of me, and I have to I
have a goal and a dream, you know that I
am chasing and she's in my way. There's nothing that
is going to get in the way of that. But
at the same time, there is a girl inside of

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me that just loves to go in there and chase
a dream too.

Speaker 3 (01:22:18):
You know, good stuff there for Macy Barbara. By the way,
jose Young's in the same two week period making me rage,
quit and making women cry. This guy's just on a
run right now, just an all timer of a run. Luke,
We've got a bunch of announcements to go through as
the UFC was busy with one of those seasonal press
conferences on Friday, along with continuing to fill out this

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schedule for the new Era, which begins January twenty fourth
with the UFC three twenty four pay per view. Before
we do that, though, Dana, you know, finally met with
the media. He didn't host any of these press conferences
during the week. He was there for the postfight press conference,
so he was pressed on some important items, everything from
the Aliac to what have you you. One of those

(01:23:00):
items was the fallout for armand Saruki, and as we
already know and have broken down, it will be an
interim lightweight title fight kicking off the main event of
the first pay per view of the UFC Paramount Era,
as Iliot Taporious steps away with personal issues Patty versus
Justin Gatchee. So, now what does that mean for armand

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is he's still persona no grado with the company. Here's
Dana talking about it.

Speaker 4 (01:23:27):
Armansrukin obviously the odd man out.

Speaker 13 (01:23:29):
Now we expect Ilia to be unifying against the interim
title winner, which would take a long run.

Speaker 4 (01:23:35):
I wouldn't say that he's the odd man out.

Speaker 12 (01:23:37):
You know, he had an opportunity and you guys know
how that played out, and he's gonna have to he's
gonna have to work his way back. I'll give a
shit what the number says. He's gonna have to work
his way back. And just too much goes into this
for those type of things to happen. You know, we
were had, we had a little uh we're talking back

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in my room tonight and we're talking about, you know,
all the crazy shit that's happened over the last twenty
something years. But you can't do that, you can't get
the opportunity and then it can't end that way.

Speaker 4 (01:24:13):
So he's got to work his way back.

Speaker 3 (01:24:17):
Look, I don't like that at all.

Speaker 4 (01:24:19):
Can I just say something? Can I just say something?
I was on that hearing on Capitol Hill, and I
watched all of the accompanying media that Nick khn did,
whether it was on with Max Kellerman on the Pro
Saudi Boxing Show, or whether it was pro corporate Monopoly

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Pat McAfee show, whatever, whether they're they're just they'll they'll
say anything for a dollar, right, I mean, I'm talking
about Max and Pat McAfee, and then Nick kN gets
on these shows and is absolutely explicit, explicit that the

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aim of ZUFA Boxing is to have and this is
his words. For example, on the Pat McAfee show, the
champion is going to fight the number one contender. If
the number one contender is not already, he'll fight the
number two contender, just like it is in UFC. Lawrence Epstein,
who is the chief operating officer of the UFC, said
something virtually identical on Capitol Hill in some of the

(01:25:22):
remarks that he gave, and then Dana White goes out
there and says the exact contradictory, complete and unambiguous opposite
of that that he just doesn't care about the rankings.
They will literally say anything to any audience about this
as long as it is either satisfying some demand or

(01:25:44):
meeting some other need. But their story about what their
plan to do is at a bare minimum inconsistent. It
is fucking crazy to me that all last week the
story from every executive in that company was the exact
opposite of this.

Speaker 3 (01:26:00):
Yeah, it's it's indefensible, especially with the Vulk versus Diego
Lopez rematch that'll be UFC three twenty five. The week
after literally the weekend after three twenty four, so we'll
get back to back PL's in the new era. But
I agree with you, it's it feels petty. I mean, look,
was it because UFC three eleven was at that Clippers
Arena and it was supposed to be this like very

(01:26:22):
big deal. I don't know who famous was supposed to
be their cage side, you know. Uh in terms of
like did that let him and the company down? That
sar you Can pulled out? I mean people have done
that before. Famously, Amanda Nunez couldn't make weight for the
initially scheduled Chifchenko rematch and Dana said she'd never headline again.
And you know she won back that reputation. But is

(01:26:44):
this just you pulled out of the wrong card at
the wrong time, or is it even deeper? Does it
have to play into the fact that saryu Can isn't
motivated by the need for money that it makes does
it make it a tougher negotiation? I mean, what is
like the deeper transgression? Is it just you had a
title fight and you didn't make it to the to

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the to the cage as that is?

Speaker 4 (01:27:06):
So, so that's that's the interesting part to me BC.
I was talking about this long hand Luke before the show.
If it's that he had a late injury due to
some kind of accident from uh, you know, the day
before fight Prepper, two days before whatever it was, you know,
why would they punish him so severely.

Speaker 3 (01:27:24):
Like Tamayav did not get punished or talked about about
at all for missing weight by seven pounds against.

Speaker 4 (01:27:30):
It doesn't make any sense, like why would you go
after it. I understand that they would be pissed that
something fell apart at the last minute for them, and
that maybe they thought he was a little bit reckless
about it, because remember he did punch a fan one time,
and like he remember he headbutted Dan Hooker. He's done some.

Speaker 3 (01:27:46):
Punch The fan thing is is a thing, that's a thing.

Speaker 4 (01:27:48):
Yeah, okay, I mean he's done some boneheaded, stupid shit.
But he lost on that opportunity. He had to make
weight for one fight and then he just headlined the
guitar fight against Dan Hooker. My question is, if you're
mad at him, cool, what is the punishment because just
sidelining him outside of the rankings makes every single thing

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you are telling lawmakers a total lie. So which is
it which is it? Like, like I asked this after
the guitar thing, b see if we're mad at him, Okay,
we're mad at him, When is the punishment over? What
does that look like? Set the map for me? Because
if it's just he suffered a freak injury, you know, late,

(01:28:30):
while that is unfortunate, that the level of punishment here
just seems to be onerous relative to that. Is there
more to the story that we do not know? That's
the part I'm trying to figure.

Speaker 3 (01:28:39):
Out o the way that he handled it. Do they
not believe that he had any physical issues? Again, I
don't know. If I'm like, was that a certain close
up card where they were going to have like the
paramount execs case. I don't know. I'm thinking, like, what
was it that made him so angry? Either way? So
are you caking out of the mix for a bit?
We did get at that pre seasonal press conference both
Patty and Gaichee saying that they thought they were each

(01:29:03):
of them thought they were fighting Ilia basically up until
the announcement was made that they would instead be fighting
each other. So it did feel like Sarayuki in despite
that big win against Hooker, despite the call out afterwards
where he was ready to turn around on two months
that he was never in that equation, so that won't happen.
We do know though, as they filled out more of

(01:29:23):
the three twenty four card and now the main event
of the UFC three twenty six card, because three twenty
five will be Volk versus Lopez. But how about all
the way into March for UFC three twenty six in
Las Vegas March seventh, a rematch for the BMF title
Charles do bronx Olavera against the current belt holder, Max Holloway.

(01:29:45):
Luke got popped for this. I'm down for it. I
love that every once in a while we can have
a pay per view main event that doesn't necessarily need
to be a traditional title fight, that could be just
two great names that you want to see against each
and in this case, against each other again because the
first one had that weird injury ending so long ago.

(01:30:06):
I did see some people upset at it, not loving it.
Where do you fall in this? I'm more than fine
with this.

Speaker 4 (01:30:11):
I'm fine with this. Yeah, this is totally fine. Everyone's
gonna say, oh, the titles made up. All the titles
are made up. I mean, some are more clearly defined
than other ones. But this is a great fight. It's
a great rematch. Especially we all know, Hey, everyone wants
that White House car to be big. Well, if you
want that fight house at the excuse me, if you

(01:30:32):
want that fight at the White House BC to be big,
you got to make some sacrifices on events before and after. Now, listen,
we should actually talk about that for just a second,
b C. Because it is relevant. I don't think it's
necessarily political to say that the President of the United
States says a lot of things, and sometimes they are
true and sometimes they are not. He said that today
or YESTERDAYBC, that there he's expecting eight or nine fights

(01:30:57):
that are title fights at the White House card, which,
if you do the math, would be all the men's
divisions and one or two of the women's divisions. Now,
that sounds like he's got that. Just that seems like
a lot, right, I don't know if that's correct, That
that would that would just kill your schedule on either
side of these, and they've got forty three events to deliver.

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That being said, you know you're probably gonna get three,
maybe four title fights, hell, maybe even five, right, you
could potentially get a whole main card of them, which
means BMF fights are gonna have to be headliners to
make that kind of thing possible. So my response to
fans would be, just, you know, make sure you understand
what you want. If you all want a big white
House card, that's a grand, you know, festival, and given

(01:31:42):
what the President is potentially saying about it, you're gonna
have to make some sacrifices on the front end, back end. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:31:48):
I like the fights that they've added up and down
the UFC three twenty four to make that first opening
card even deeper. I think it's gonna hit hard. Let's
look at what three twenty five got announced below that
Vulk versus Lopez, quick turnaround, Dan Hooker in what can
only hate that? Yeah, I don't love it either against
ben Wa Saint Denis. You've got we'll talk about that

(01:32:08):
in a second. You've got Physive against Mauricio Hoofi, who
needs to come back with a big performance. This should
be sloppy and fun at heavyweight to Ivasa against what's that?
What's talis In Tashera and then Jimmy Crue, Dustin Jacoby
and oh the the new Australian guy.

Speaker 4 (01:32:24):
Was it Quinn Salkil, Yeah, Quillen Salkill versus wrong Zoo.

Speaker 3 (01:32:28):
So there's some bangers on this one. But Luke, I
agree with you. It feels too much, too soon for
Hooker who was just stopped by Armin Sarukin and kind
of dominated. What gives here?

Speaker 4 (01:32:39):
I hate this? I mean, well, okay, I don't hate
the fight as such, right, it's a oh Dan Hooker
uh bsd Okay, Well that's violence. That's that's gonna be great. Dude,
Dan Hooker just got the ship beating out of him.
His face was all fucked up. How is he back
in camp for this kind of a fight that's not
that far from now? Like, I don't love that. I
don't love that. It's so quick on turnaround. It's not

(01:33:01):
the quickest turnaround I've ever seen. But remember he's been
maybe that Edsen Barbosa fight. There was controversy after Hooker's
Edsen Barbosa fight because of how much damage he took
and then the ref didn't intervene. Daniel Cormier was yelling
at the ref essentially on the broadcast itself, quite rightly
in my judgment, Like the dude has taken a metric
ton of abuse. I don't love the turnaround here, to

(01:33:22):
be honest with you, and it makes bsd's chances even greater.

Speaker 3 (01:33:25):
Yeah, but that Phaziv Hoofy fight bangs. I like a
lot of the supporting fights. February there will be I believe,
three UFC fight Night cards, no official pl slash pay
per view because they're going back to back pay per
view weekends to kick off the new paramount era. But
one of those has a very good middleweight main event.
I think we have a graphic to support it here
as Fluffy Hernandez, who had to pull out of that

(01:33:47):
RDR Number one contender fight, will come back quickly here
against former champion Sean Strickland Luke Thomas. This division just
recently was very bottlenecked. But do you feel like this
could be a number one contender fight.

Speaker 4 (01:34:01):
I think it has to be. I mean, I guess
Imovov is the guy, but to the winner of this,
I mean even even Shamaiva was saying, well, he's Aakistani,
I'm cheching and I'll fight him if I have to,
But you know, got a lot of respect for him,
and they could cause a lot of tension and make
things weird. It was essentially what he was saying, he
doesn't want to, So I don't know what the us
he's gonna do about that, But if they want, they

(01:34:23):
can just slot the winner of this one in NBC,
especially if it's Strickland and he could talk a gang
of shit, you know. But at the same time, Fluffy
is also a great fight, So like I feel like
they're you know, this fight is a good fight. Would
I'd rather have seen Fluffy? Actually, I'll tell you what, PC,
given the state that RDR was in, I guess I
really wouldn't have rather have seen that. I'm glad I

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get this one. You're gonna get Hernandez against ready to go,
maybe maybe past prime, but ready to go Sean Strickland,
who's got good takedown defense and usually pretty great cardio.
This is a fun ass fight, that's a good fight,
and that the winner of that one will be very
much deserving of a big opportunit And.

Speaker 3 (01:35:01):
What said he will that take place in because Shawn
strickens Houston. Okay, he originally said he turned down a
chance to fight Fluffy in Australia, So they're gonna fight
in Houston. Said, very good main event. Need to see
Fluffy back and healthy and see whether he's ready to
climb that ladder. And we'll see how long Chamaiya stays
atop this division as he's flirting with They moved to
two O five. Let's go to topic number five. It's boxing.

(01:35:23):
It was a pay per view PBC Prime Video in
San Antonio over the weekend. Your boy be Sizzle on
the call and in the main event, the two gentlemen,
the only two in boxing who have taken Tank Davis
to the twelve round limit and both performed very well
against him, fought one another as Tank continues to sit
out with personal issues, although the results of this fight

(01:35:45):
did seem to tease a comeback pretty soon. In the end,
Lamont Roach Junior moved up to a new weight class
for the for the third time in three fights. Here
gave up his one hundred and thirty pounds title, took
on eastac Pitbull Cruise the Mexican Star at one forty
and by the way, Luke, you want to talk about
pit Bull being in line to take the baton from

(01:36:05):
Canelo as the next most beloved Mexican star. That arena
ten thousand people inside where the Spurs NBA Spurs play. Dude,
that thing was electric, like you couldn't hear yourself think
after he scored a third round knockdown. But despite knocking
Roaches down for the first time in Lamont's career, the
second half of the fight was much different. Lamont operated

(01:36:27):
within Pitbull Cruise's preferred phone booth style and area and
actually made the great pit Bull back up and circle away.
In the end. However, I had scored the fight eight
rounds to four in favor of Roach. The judges saw
it differently, one judge scoring it by five points for Pitbull,

(01:36:47):
two judges scoring it even one thirteen one to thirteen.
Pitpull was docked to point in round eight for holding.
He would go on to blame the draw on the
referee afterwards, Luke, I do have to believe, though, the
bigger story here is for Roach, who in a different
reality could be your Fighter of the Year in twenty
twenty five by doing what he did to Tank, doing

(01:37:08):
what he did to Pitbull Cruise, making him back up
out of his A game. Yet, can we run the
tweet here from Dan Kenobio over twenty four rounds against
two of the best fighters in these divisions, Lamont Roach
did not get a single scorecard in his favor over
two fights. He only has two draws to show for it. Luke,

(01:37:29):
what does this say about Roach and what could have
been his breakout year? That as good as we thought
he fought, the judges still in the end didn't think
he did enough.

Speaker 4 (01:37:38):
Man, this one was heartbreaking. Shouts to Lamont Roach, who,
as you indicated overcame a third round knockdown, and I
thought dominated down the stretch except for the twelfth round. BC.
I thought Pitbull probably did enough to take the twelfth round,
but I thought he got thoroughly out boxed, certainly in
the second half of that fight, you know, and maybe
the middle parts too. BC. I kind of go back

(01:38:00):
to the same problem. It's like, Okay, is Lamont Roach
good enough to be at one forty and give guys
of their problems clearly? Clearly? Is he good enough to
give guys problems at one thirty five? Again? He should
have won that one outright because Tank took the knee.
I mean, if for no other reason, he got job there.
But like, I'm just not convinced these are places he
should be in right now. I mean, I understand he's

(01:38:21):
chasing big fights and big names and big opportunities, and
he's done that, but it's come with you can say
unfair but mixed results, it's come with you know, again,
we can have a conversation about boxing judging, we can
have a conversation about boxing officiating, particularly as related to
the Tank fight, But at the same time, he just
seems like at one thirty and maybe you think Shakur

(01:38:44):
would be them, Maybe you think, Ohshaki Foster would beat
them at one thirty BC, who also had a great
performance on that main card. Maybe that's the case, but
I just feel like those are fights where he's going
to be not up against some of the circumstances where
he doesn't have big power. He is a slickster. He
can get the job done, but you know, not physically
completely outmatched, but not physically maximized BC. I think that's

(01:39:07):
the kind of thing that's holding it up. It's not
a question of skill, it's definitely not a question of will,
but it might be a question of, you know, the
sturdiness of what he's got to offer at these weight classes.
You were ringsides, I'd be more curious to hear.

Speaker 3 (01:39:19):
Yeah, you have to say, I do slightly disagree with that.
I mean, look, I rewatched the Tank fight, which I
also called you know a lot heading into this rematch,
and I'll say each time I watched it, I was
more and more impressed with what Roach did, because Tank
came back in those middle rounds in five and six
and put it on him and looked like he was
on his way to doing something big, and Roach just
stopped it. He stood in the middle, he took a

(01:39:41):
big shot from Tank, countered with a bigger one that
wobbled him, and they actually went at it for your
few rounds after that. But in hindsight to that decision,
was he screwed by the no knockdown call one hundred percent.
But there were so many close rounds in which neither
man either Tank or roached through a lot of punches.
Where I think, and we were saying that during the
cast back in March, it felt like both fighters were

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taking a gamble that the judges would prefer what they
were doing when there were like single digit lands and
they were playing a lot of chests except for those
exciting rounds. I think it was different in the rematch,
and I know a lot of fighters picked Cruz. I
was talking to Steven Espinoza. He had thought Cruz won,
but you know he was in the crowd, and Cruse
had such a crowded vantage there in San Antonio that
anytime he did anything, they were going nuts. So you

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knew it had the potential to be a close fight.
But you also had a lot of people predicting that
Roach was gonna box from the outside against Cruz to
try to deal with that pressure, and instead he parked
right in front of him. And although he got knocked
down for the first time in his career, dude, when
he surged back in those middle rounds, I cannot believe
he turned pitbull into a boxer. He made him circle away,

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he made him do a lot of things that we've
never seen him have to do before, even against Tank Davis.
And now we find out that Roach broke his hand
in round five in this fight and still put on
that performance down the stretch. Remember when people on late
notice after they pulled Roly gave that performance against Tank
where he lost basically one fifteen one to thirteen on
two of the three cards. It was said that for

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as good as he fought, Tank injured his hand halfway through,
and if they had, you know, rematched it, it would look differently.
Roach did the same thing, and I thought he won comfortably. Now,
the official scorer, Larry Hazzard, had it close the whole
way and had it just barely for Roach in the end.
I'm not upset for anyone that had Cruise closer because
the first half of the fight had some very close rounds,

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or even from a compy box standpoint, it was even.
But in totality, when you look at those stats, it
was all Roach, and I think when you add up
the rounds, Roach did everything you would have wanted. In
my opinion, he didn't rely on the boxing. He stood
in there, landed the bigger shots backpit bull up and
I don't know if it's just bad luck, or if
it's the fact that he's facing a very popular fighter

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in Texas, or maybe it's just Texas which is renowned
for having such a horrible commission, one that you can't
rely upon. You just have to feel bad for him.
Like he said in the post for an interview, what
the hell do I have to do ultimately to get
this done. Let's hear from Lamont Roach and then we
can react to this. Here's him at the press conference
after the fight and Antonio, thank you very much to

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all the fans thinking to the medium.

Speaker 1 (01:42:16):
As we welcome up one half of our main event
of the evening.

Speaker 3 (01:42:20):
The fight ended in a draw. He fought his heart out.

Speaker 1 (01:42:23):
And again showed the true champion that he truly is.
Ladies and gentlemen, Lamont roach Junior, give him around him
a pause, Lamont, that's an hour room from your fight.

Speaker 4 (01:42:34):
What's going through your mind?

Speaker 13 (01:42:39):
Man?

Speaker 4 (01:42:39):
I hope everybody enjoy her.

Speaker 16 (01:42:41):
Oh yeah, it's awesome. Honestly, you know, obviously I proved
that I'll fight anyone again. This is not my national Wait.
I moved up again and for a tough competitor and
uh as a cruise. But two times in a row,

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it's crazy. I can't fight my opponent and fight the
judges sites.

Speaker 4 (01:43:08):
It's just.

Speaker 16 (01:43:10):
It's something we gotta do about it. It's something we
gotta do about it.

Speaker 4 (01:43:14):
I think I won, and I think I definitely out
boxed him.

Speaker 16 (01:43:19):
All I need is to even playing field.

Speaker 4 (01:43:21):
That's all.

Speaker 16 (01:43:22):
I'm gonna come out there and show my skills.

Speaker 4 (01:43:24):
I'm gonna show.

Speaker 16 (01:43:24):
My great my will, everything else, and not to mention
I think I broke my hand in like the fifth.

Speaker 2 (01:43:31):
Round or something like that.

Speaker 3 (01:43:33):
So we have questions for Lamont Roach. Raise your hand. Look,
here's what I have to say. At one point thirty
where he was a title holder, he beat Hector Luis
Garcia by knocking him down the final round. He had
a one title defense. I thought he was a good fighter,
never looked great. He moved up to thirty five, was
clearly the bigger fighter against Tank and gave Tank the
hardest fight of his life. Then moved up to one

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forty and gave Pitbull Cruise the hardest fight of his life.
He kind of deserves to come out of this year
as a star in my opinion, for the way that
he raised his game on the brightest stage. I have
nothing but respect for him. In some ways, this is boxing.
You got close fights. They could go either way if
you don't finish them. But I believe in him as
a true elite now either at thirty five or forty,

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and I think you might have the body to go
to Welterway two eventually. Tough draw here ultimately, but Lamont
Roach has had an incredible year and I almost think
he deserves Fighter of the year votes coming off with
two majority draws.

Speaker 4 (01:44:31):
It's crazy to say that too. And this is the
other part you see, I'll say, in defensive Roach, who again,
I like him and his father very much. A couple
of DC guys, you know, I'm going to be biased
towards them. But BC, he didn't just dare to be
great here and going to thirty five and then forty respectively.
You know, fighting big time A sides and people are
gonna say, okay, well, tanks in a side, But how
much is Pitpbull Cruise? BC? Tell the truth. Pitple Cruse

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is one of the best ticket movers in boxing, particularly
in these Mexican American markets like San Antonio. He was,
I mean, he was the A side and he was
the hometown favorite by a gazillion miles, even though he
wasn't from San Antonio. So this guy is going up
in waits into the lions den against big names or
big names in certain markets, which again, when they land,

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the crowd roars, and when Roach lands, you know, there's
just a bunch of silence. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Like this to me also feels like how hard it
is to really upset the powers that be Apple cart
so to speak, in boxing, when you try to make
a name for yourself, very very difficult to do.

Speaker 3 (01:45:33):
They both at the press conference afterwards sort of argued
over who won. Both agreed to a rematch. Like I said,
Pipoll sort of blamed it on the referee for taking
a point away for holding, but Pipple had been dirty
a lot of this fight and had been warned a lot.
As much as I'd like to see a rematch here, Luke,
this fight did wake up Tank Davis whether you want
to see him again or not. And he had replied
to some fans, told a lot of the fans to

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f off, but ultimately said when his knee is healthy.
I didn't know he had a knee setback, that he
wants to rematch Pitbull now if Tank Davis doesn't see
jail time over the continued transgressions and domestic abuse. Would
you rather see Tank in a rematch with Pitbull or
Roach or just see those two fight each other again.

Speaker 4 (01:46:18):
I don't know what to say about Tank Davis. I guess,
of all worlds, I'd like to see that more because
that one he felt to me, the pit Bull fight
was close. I thought Tank fight was close too, but
then with the knee not really right, he really should
have won that one. He got fucking jobbed in that one.
I don't feel like he necessarily got jobbed against Cruise,

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although I also had him winning. But yeah, thirty five
I think is better. And the Tank fight, to me,
feels like the bigger wrong of the two, although I
can understand a argument for the reverse. That's the one
I'd like to see. But Tank is so freaking unpredictable.
I don't know what to say about that.

Speaker 3 (01:46:56):
Yeah, I'm with you on that. I'd love to see
Tank roach too. That'd be my choice out of all
those three. But heck, if you had to do Tank
Pitbull two and then you put Roach on the Colemane
maybe against the Frank Martin who had to break the
win or whatever. Like, I think there's ways you can
build toward this. If Tank is committed again to the sport,
we'll see what happens quickly on that Colemane. Boxing insiders
were fired up about this fight. It was a virtual

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pick'm betting wise. Unfortunately for Stephen Fulton Junior, the featherweight
title holder, he had tried to move up to one
thirty to challenge Oshaki Foster for his belt, looking to
become the first three division champion in Philadelphia history. And
he had said coming in this will cement him for
the Hall of Fame and he wanted to move up
to lightweight afterwards. Then he goes out and misses weight
by two pounds and because of alphabet shenanigans, the WBC

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then floats as completely unnecessary vacant interim lightweight title fight.
It kept the fight alive, but in the end, dude
O'shaki Foster looked like an absolute complete champion with a
like borderline virtuoso drubbing. Now he didn't get all twelve
rounds from all three judges. He got all twelve rounds
on my score sheet. Look, Colin Press, were you with

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Foster making Fulton look like you didn't belong in the
ring with him.

Speaker 4 (01:48:08):
I was shocked by this, first of all. I was
shocked at Fulton missed weight going up to thirty. I
was like, what the fuck is this? Dude? He got
he got? No one would argue, and I'm not arguing
BC that the Innaay loss isn't worse. The Innaa loss
is worse. He got finished and you know was really

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never in that one either. I don't know how to
explain this BC. Maybe I'm just completely out of my mind.
I almost I'm not saying it is. I almost feel
like this one is worse because it went the full
distance and he got Dude, this was a masterclass when
Foster was in South Paw, like how to fight as

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a rangye South Paw. I thought this was like you
could teach a class on how well he did it.
But then of course going back to orthodox at various points,
including down the stretch as well. Man, Dude, this was
Fulton just was made to look lesser than from beginning
to end in this one. Domination is what I would
call it. He didn't. I don't think Fulton got like

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super beat up in this one, but he got out boxed.
He got thoroughly outboxed in this one. Foster's best win
to date in many ways.

Speaker 3 (01:49:21):
B see yeah, and Foster had come off three straight
split decisions that controversial loss in between the cut Rubson Cancesau,
and I think he really felt the criticisms people had
faced had given him for being a slow starter, a
defensive fighter. He was full offense all the time. I
was proud of him, seriously to give him what he's
been through in his life to have a victory like this,
I think Fulton needs to go back to twenty six

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if he can make it, or almost step away. And
I hate to say that. Look, he's still got great ability,
and he tried hard for twelve rounds, but he doesn't
have the power to be a track you down guy,
and you didn't have the speed to out box full
or Foster here, so he almost had nothing to miss.
Way to have a video that was out there during
the week at the press conference where he sat where
he was bragging about eating two Thanksgiving meals because he

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didn't have to cut so hard, and then he missed weight.
It's a bad look overall. And shout out of course
to uh Jesus Ramos Junior for getting that secondary middleweight
belt against Shane Moseley Junior. That was a very competitive fight.
Quick highlight though of the featured prelim the ghost Frank Martin,
who hadn't fought since that loss to Tank Davis on
pay per view, moved up in wait seventeen months later

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and sent Rancis Barthelmy to hell. Look, that was a
breakthrough performance are you a believer in the ghost in
the new weight class?

Speaker 4 (01:50:34):
Now, I'm a believer that he ghosted on me five
times for an interview, as I brought up now because
I'm definitely not bitter about it.

Speaker 3 (01:50:40):
He did the same thing. He did the same thing
to me, dude, it's yeah, the exact same thing.

Speaker 4 (01:50:45):
And he followed me on Instagram like when we were
setting it up. I was like, oh, great, this will
be cool, and then just kept not showing up. I'm like,
oh my fucking god. But dude, that was great. And
also Rancis Barthelmy has stunk up the joint a million times,
so you know, he kind of had this one. He
kind of had this one coming a little bit. But

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Frank Martin, you know, he was overmatched against Tank, but
he looked fantastic. Here again, great South Paul fighter BC.
How about Frank Martin versus Lamont Roach wouldn't hate that one.

Speaker 3 (01:51:16):
He loved that. I would love that. I hope we
get a chance to see that. He's now with Buddy
mcgert by the way, after falling out with Derek James,
so good win right there. That wraps up the PBC
pay per view from over the weekend. Let's go now
to our next segment.

Speaker 2 (01:51:28):
Here.

Speaker 3 (01:51:28):
We give you the chance every Sunday night on social
media at Morning Combat on Instagram and x to get
your questions heard. This one's called DMS from the Docks.
All right, our boy, A man and his cat leads off.
What has been some of your favorite rematches that had

(01:51:50):
extremely different outcomes than expected? Because I guess he's referencing,
of course, the Yon Devolished Villy main event on Saturday.
I'm thinking in boxing, of course, when when Manny Pacio,
after losing the first fight to Eric Morales, came back

(01:52:11):
and stopped him and just ran through him after a
very close start to that fight. That blew my mind.
I'm trying to think in Mma, Luke.

Speaker 4 (01:52:18):
Where Showgun having that long battle with Macheetah and then
they rematched him and he just bulldozed him right away.
That was kind of interesting, Uh, you know a little
more like this one, which was the first time Katur
and Liddell. Thought Liddell got out wrestled even though he
was he came from a wrestling background. Everyone knows that

(01:52:40):
cal Poly and then the second fight, Katur couldn't get
shit going and got iced and then obviously the third
time two those, But I don't know if that's exactly
like it was a big upset as much as it
just went very differently than the first time.

Speaker 3 (01:52:55):
How about Fury Wilder too, That was pretty.

Speaker 4 (01:52:58):
That was that was crazy. That was definitely crazy in
a shitty way. Joshua Ruiz, I'm not sure. I don't
think about that one a little bit more because a
lot of times we did see it coming, it just
went differently. It's different than like, oh my god, I'm

(01:53:19):
so surprised, you know, yeah, yeah, what are you doing
over there with your left hand?

Speaker 3 (01:53:25):
I was petting my cat. Reggie Jackson just just arrived.

Speaker 6 (01:53:28):
He's here.

Speaker 3 (01:53:28):
He's let me see if I can get him on
the camera. Read say, hi, buddy, Yeah, there we go.
You know, Luke, he's making so many enemies in the
house during Christmas season, hanging from the Christmas tree, beating
up the girl cats, keeping everyone up at night by
just screaming, running down the hallways screaming.

Speaker 4 (01:53:44):
You know, he'll be the last one that I euthanize.

Speaker 3 (01:53:46):
Oh my god, that's that's wild, all right, Thank you
for the question. A man and his cat. I'm also
one of those let's hear from flannels and JITs. He
says with how so Hudo's career ended, how much did
his last comeback imp at his legacy? It's a good
question because Sudo walked to Hudo walked away in his
prime two division champ, high on the Pomper pound list,

(01:54:08):
took three years off. He's zero and four since that comeback,
even though he fought well against al Joe in a
split decision title loss, Luke, If he did not take
that time off, what does his legacy look like?

Speaker 4 (01:54:20):
Well, that's a different question. Put this one back up.
How did the way his career ended, how did his
last comeback impacted him? To mad legacy? So this is
more about Okay, once he did come back, what did
it add?

Speaker 3 (01:54:31):
Does it? Does it change his legacy? Losing four in
a row at the end.

Speaker 4 (01:54:35):
It changes it a little bit, but it doesn't really
undercut the fact that the guy was a fucking Olympic
gold medalist and a two weight world And it's what
I mean, dude, that is such an overwhelming achievement that
like you have to go on a bj penn esk
run for there to be like people just to lose
sight of what you did. This doesn't do that, but
it clearly just just what it did to MEBC was

(01:54:56):
it underscored what a tragic error in strate thinking it
was to take those three years off like that.

Speaker 3 (01:55:02):
And then what was prime the last five fights before
he left the sport in May of twenty twenty was
a decision win over Sergio Pettis, a very quality win,
an upset of Demetrius Johnson for the title split decision
over five rounds, a knockout of TJ. Dillashaw for the
Flyway title, and then goes up for the vacant bantamweight title,
gets beat up by Marlon Moris and comes back and

(01:55:22):
stops him in round three, and then defends the title
against Dominic Cruz and Keith Peterson by TKO in round two.
That's I mean, obviously that's the run that made him
a Hall of Famer, but he's got some other wins
earlier in his career with that. But that run alone, dude,
that's legend.

Speaker 4 (01:55:39):
I was a sick ass run. Yeah, he had a
great moment there.

Speaker 3 (01:55:43):
All right, let's go to our third one from Tory O'Neill.
Now that Morab has lost, who is your fighter of
the Year, and I'm sure we're going to break that
down as we get closer to the new year. But Luke,
this changes because every discussion I've had about this with
my editorial colleagues at CBS was always, well, it's gonna
be Rob. It's not gonna be Morob.

Speaker 4 (01:56:03):
Now, yeah, so it is.

Speaker 3 (01:56:05):
It ISLAM, even though the Moikano victory in January isn't.

Speaker 4 (01:56:09):
You know, you can lose and still be a Fighter
of the Year contender. So, for example, in the same year,
Robbie Lawler lost a very controversial fight to Johnny Hendrix
and then won a little bit, and then rematched him
later that year and then beat him. So he was
three and one that year. Technically, ABC like Morob is
three and one. But it's a little different when you

(01:56:30):
avenge that loss later that year.

Speaker 3 (01:56:33):
Does that compare to Connor McGregor's twenty sixteen where he
lost to Nate, beat him in a classic and then
knocked out Eddie.

Speaker 4 (01:56:39):
To win the right same kind of thing where you
can avenge it, it's different. You can say josh Van
because you know he didn't lose and he fought four
times and he won a title. Technically, I feel to
me the most, the most I'll say this, the single
most impressive victory to me might be Yon. You could
say Yan has a clear cutcase for it to BC.

(01:57:00):
He didn't has other wins. Let me Marcus McGhee and
what was the other one? He had one more? I think,
well maybe it was just those two. Actually it was
just Nick.

Speaker 6 (01:57:10):
I can't remember if it was this year though.

Speaker 3 (01:57:11):
All right, well what about this? What about legitimate Islam?

Speaker 4 (01:57:14):
Might be the answer.

Speaker 3 (01:57:15):
Islam's going to be high up there. What about Valentina?
What about Manon Farrouh undefeated, physically tough, and then Jong
Wayley in a fight that we thought was fifty to
fifty and she beat the best.

Speaker 4 (01:57:28):
She's up there, Yeah, she's up there. Yeah those were
both yeah, yeah, yeah, you could you could say you
could make a case for her too.

Speaker 3 (01:57:38):
Did Tremaiah just fight once?

Speaker 4 (01:57:41):
Just once? He beat the living well, I mean he
controlled I should say DDP to the worst extent possible,
but uh, not much more than that.

Speaker 3 (01:57:50):
We'll see if we'll see where the votes go as
we figure it out towards.

Speaker 4 (01:57:54):
And to Pooria, great win over Olavera, but he thought
just one time, so that's not really, that's not enough.

Speaker 3 (01:58:00):
And you can't give it to Morob.

Speaker 6 (01:58:02):
You can't.

Speaker 4 (01:58:03):
No, you can't. Again, just not because he went three
on one, but because of the way that it ended. Dude,
if he had called it off, he would be the
winner three title defenses. That is fucking incredible.

Speaker 3 (01:58:14):
Would Pantosia have been it if he had beaten Van?
Straight up? Say again, if Pantosia had defeated Van, would
he have been it?

Speaker 4 (01:58:27):
Maybe? Who's wcalu am?

Speaker 6 (01:58:29):
I not thinking of lost the boys?

Speaker 4 (01:58:32):
Oh he went four and one? Yeah, okay, but at heavyweight?
I mean, let's be serious.

Speaker 6 (01:58:35):
I'm just saying. I mean he had a good year.

Speaker 4 (01:58:37):
Five a good year. He definitely had a good year.
He definitely had a good year.

Speaker 3 (01:58:39):
Ye all right, all right, let's keep it going right here.
The next one comes from Antonio m Alvarez. What's a
modern MMA trend that you'd love to see left behind
in twenty twenty five?

Speaker 4 (01:58:54):
Say that one more time.

Speaker 3 (01:58:56):
What's a modern MMA trend that you'd like to see?
And this year is it buying people.

Speaker 4 (01:59:02):
People on Twitter talking about their favorite fighters as we.

Speaker 3 (01:59:06):
Oh that's bad, that's pretty lame. What about dealing with
ESPN plus we're gonna leave that behind, aren't we?

Speaker 4 (01:59:12):
Well still, I mean we I still have to watch PFL.

Speaker 3 (01:59:15):
You know, Okay, Okay, what.

Speaker 4 (01:59:19):
Mister paramount over there is like, I don't have to
worry about that bullshit anymore. We're still gonna watch a
little PFL.

Speaker 3 (01:59:25):
What a long island? Look, you got any MMA trends
we should leave behind?

Speaker 6 (01:59:30):
I guess it's an MMA trend.

Speaker 5 (01:59:31):
I always hate when people say someone's a lock to
win a fight, like, oh, they're a lock.

Speaker 6 (01:59:36):
They're gonna be like, no one's a fucking lock, man,
it's a fight, So leave that behind.

Speaker 3 (01:59:39):
You sound like an old Luke Thomas going, we don't
know who's gonna win. Nobody knows who's gonna win. How
can I give a prediction?

Speaker 4 (01:59:46):
Nobody knows, nobody knows. Everyone pretends they know. No one knows.

Speaker 3 (01:59:50):
I like when they be like, Luke, what's your best
bet of the weekend? You're like, well, I mean minus
fourteen hundred favorite, he's gonna win. That's what that's beat. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:59:58):
I like how you think that this is not a
sound way of advising people. Everyone who gets it right
is also just doing a guessing game. They mostly don't
even know and half the time, more than half the
time that they get it right, their reasoning isn't even
very good. They're just guessing. They're just guessing. Take it
for what it is.

Speaker 3 (02:00:18):
Our final question comes from sticks plays time. If you
could talk to the mid thirties version of you right now,
what would you say to them. So, let's say the
thirty five year old version of Luke Thomas, that would
be eleven years ago, that would be twenty fourteen. What
are you saying to that.

Speaker 4 (02:00:35):
Man, You're not gonna believe this, but you should change
careers immediately, get.

Speaker 3 (02:00:40):
The frick out of here.

Speaker 4 (02:00:42):
That's what I would tell if I was thirty five,
That's what I would had a chance to talk to
that thirty five. Yeah, that's what I tell them.

Speaker 3 (02:00:49):
Okay, okay, I would tell the thirty five year old
me to believe, believe, Believe, Believe it's possible, Believe the
doors can open. Believe that just because something falls apart,
that you had a big opportunity and doesn't mean that
it's the end of your run in that field. Believe
believe Lukes Like actually, I would tell myself, don't follow

(02:01:12):
your dreams. You're only going to be disappointed.

Speaker 4 (02:01:15):
Terrible mistake to make.

Speaker 3 (02:01:16):
Yeah, all right, anything else you want to tell the
thirty five year old.

Speaker 4 (02:01:21):
Version of you, Luke, just that, just that, Like you've
got a certain kind of sophomoric idea about how you
think your life's going to go, and it's not going
to go that way. It's better to be a very
cold but calculated realist about it. And uh yeah, well.

Speaker 3 (02:01:36):
Let a realists end up in nine to five is
that they hate Luke. I'd rather believe.

Speaker 4 (02:01:39):
All right, that doesn't sound so bad. Yeah, you ask me.
It's very weird that you ask me my opinion and
then don't like it when I tell you something that's unpleasant,
I suppose. But people have a lot of bad idea.
I mean, dude, this is a terrible industry to be
involved in, and I don't fully regret it. That's that's

(02:02:02):
not I didn't say that. I didn't say that. I
didn't say that. But yeah, if I had, if I
had eleven year window to make a lap move, I
would have done it.

Speaker 3 (02:02:10):
All right, then, the very honest musings of one Luke Thomas.
Let's go to our final segment. Thank you for your questions, fans,
Where I scoured the globe yesterday for the good, the bad,
the ugly, the highs and lows and in between. In
the world of combat sports and beyond. There's kernels in
my ship.

Speaker 2 (02:02:25):
Have you seen them?

Speaker 3 (02:02:36):
Who?

Speaker 6 (02:02:36):
Ah?

Speaker 4 (02:02:37):
Who?

Speaker 3 (02:02:38):
Indeed? All right? Uh, Luke PBC. Over the weekend, Pitbull
Cruise was acting like a freak in the ring. It
came when he was most frustrated by roach. What do
you make of this move? Did you see that?

Speaker 4 (02:02:51):
One more time?

Speaker 3 (02:02:54):
It gave him the tongue, the full tongue that I've.

Speaker 4 (02:02:57):
Given I've given some people that tongue before.

Speaker 3 (02:03:00):
Okay, all right, who knew he was a freak?

Speaker 4 (02:03:03):
All right?

Speaker 3 (02:03:03):
Big week for Morob.

Speaker 6 (02:03:05):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (02:03:05):
Here's an interesting SoundBite that came heading into three twenty three.

Speaker 10 (02:03:09):
He probably lost against him, the Pitterian I I will
kill myself you know.

Speaker 3 (02:03:17):
Well, okay, there's the.

Speaker 4 (02:03:21):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (02:03:21):
Also, Uh, Morob ran into a fan who tried to
do the Bruce Buffer bit. It was great, most loss record.
Oh my teen wins with more losses.

Speaker 4 (02:03:39):
I now think is the best fighter in the world.

Speaker 3 (02:03:41):
Yes, along that, Luke, let's skip the Morob ambulance clip.
Let's go to our regional MMA highlights of the week. Luke,
where what anything?

Speaker 6 (02:03:49):
Anything?

Speaker 4 (02:03:50):
All right?

Speaker 3 (02:03:51):
This is ac A. This man is Mirzabecoff. He gets
the submission, win, but watch the celebration. The thing about
celebratings you don't want to pass.

Speaker 4 (02:04:01):
Out, right, Wow, he is jacked. What the fuck? Okay?
Uh wow?

Speaker 3 (02:04:07):
Okay he passed out during this. Selly, dude.

Speaker 4 (02:04:10):
If you beat the opponent, don't let gravity beat you.
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (02:04:14):
Indeed, indeed, let's go to FFC ninety nine. Check out
this ending.

Speaker 4 (02:04:19):
Okay. You know what's so funny about this? The ko
is incredible. This guy who won Lucas Cordibagi h I
called the fight just before this of him. He fought
next FC and he got smashed in like I don't know,
maybe seven seconds, like one of the shortest fights you've
ever seen, like something crazy. The dude who beat him
is like waiting to be signed by the UFC and

(02:04:41):
they haven't signed him yet. And I don't know what
they're waiting on. Because you can see the guy we
beat his pretty quality.

Speaker 3 (02:04:45):
You're probably waiting on him to accept the twelve and twelve.

Speaker 4 (02:04:48):
Yeah maybe so.

Speaker 3 (02:04:49):
Look, you've been an active man in your life. What's
your favorite form of birth control?

Speaker 4 (02:04:55):
The old pull out methods? You know what I'm saying,
Go roll that dice, brother.

Speaker 3 (02:04:58):
It ever fails until it Let's check out a new option.

Speaker 17 (02:05:02):
This is the most effective birth control on the market.
If you use this, your chances of getting pregnant or
getting someone pregnant drops to zero. So it's called magic
the gathering and it's this card game.

Speaker 3 (02:05:16):
All right, Luke, it is the holiday season. Let's go
back and receive some love from one O. J.

Speaker 6 (02:05:21):
Simpson.

Speaker 4 (02:05:23):
Covering up the white meat. I mean, I don't think
that it actually said that. I think someone put that
on there.

Speaker 3 (02:05:29):
But that's a funny bit, all right, your jersey of
the week. Let's shout out to number eight here?

Speaker 4 (02:05:36):
Wow? Wow? Why would you ever go to a football game? Honestly,
I don't know. I don't know what would be the point.

Speaker 3 (02:05:46):
I don't know, Luke. There ain't no holiday like Thanksgiving.
You know I've said that before. Let's bring in Boston.

Speaker 4 (02:05:52):
Be a man, invite a hookah to your family dinner,
and tell everybody she's your girlfriend. Be a man. I've
gotten pretty close set times seen you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (02:06:05):
Oh, Luke, let's do a Thanksgiving special of would you eat?
They call this the Franksgiving Dog. So you take a Glizzie,
you put some cranberry on, all right, you get some stuffing. Dude,
this is brilliant gravy. How have I never tried this?
Would you eat it? Luke?

Speaker 4 (02:06:23):
No?

Speaker 3 (02:06:24):
Oh, come on, dude, that's the best part of Thanksgiving
on a go?

Speaker 4 (02:06:27):
Why would I eat gravy with cranberry jelly and stuffing
and stuffing? That looks like a yes? Also, can I
say something ye? As a lot of people constantly seek
how do I say this exactly? They want too much

(02:06:47):
balance in their food. I want it sweet and sour.
I want sweet and savory, and there some combination of
that at times is great. Sometimes I don't want to
mix sweet with my savory. I just want savory, and
I feel like we have too much of the Oh.
I want opposites in my food, and I don't necessarily
always need that.

Speaker 3 (02:07:06):
People want a dream job that's in line with their passions.
Luke is like, don't don't do it.

Speaker 4 (02:07:11):
Don't do it. It's a gigantic mistake.

Speaker 3 (02:07:14):
We have a bonus. Would you eat? Luke? It's called
the Moby dick Burger. Keep an open mind? Would you
eat this?

Speaker 4 (02:07:21):
Is that an egg? Is that cheese?

Speaker 3 (02:07:22):
That's cheese?

Speaker 4 (02:07:24):
And there's like some kind of pink sauce bacon. Oh
my god, they're gonna wrap this motherfucker up.

Speaker 3 (02:07:30):
Yeah, it's a it's wow, all.

Speaker 4 (02:07:32):
Right, they're gonna Oh, okay, all right, let's see the insides.

Speaker 3 (02:07:36):
Oh you can, Hell yeah, hell yeah, look at this.

Speaker 4 (02:07:41):
In a second. This guy's gross and I hope he dies.

Speaker 3 (02:07:43):
But right, luke, let's go to one more. Would you eat?
Some people have different things for their wedding. How about
a Glizzi wedding cake?

Speaker 4 (02:07:52):
Okay, this is I'm on board with this. This is
it's like a Jenga tower of shitty hot dogs. Hell yeah, bro,
by the way, I work on that. By the way,
it honestly looks like han Solo is at the top
of that fucking Lizzie cake.

Speaker 3 (02:08:04):
You know, the best wedding I ever went to about
five years ago, my uncle got married in his front yard.
He had a hot dog stand, in ice cream truck
and cases full of Jenny Light beer.

Speaker 4 (02:08:14):
I mean it that. I'll say this too for the President.
I'm being serious about this. Do you remember what he
invited all like, I think it was Clemson he had
at the White House, and he had that vast array
of fast food. Remember it was like all like the
the big Mac boxes. And I was like, I'm not
super mad at that. Can I be?

Speaker 3 (02:08:34):
Can they say that guy d T forty five forty
seven loves some Mickey D's loves it.

Speaker 4 (02:08:41):
I mean, let he who was without sin cast the
first stone, Luke.

Speaker 3 (02:08:45):
We always want asked ben All to fight through blindness.
But you know, mixing sports with injuries can be dangerous.
Same thing with bowling. Let's watch this gentleman, good form
so far? Oh god, idiot White on the broken arm.
That's not gonna be good.

Speaker 4 (02:09:01):
Let's go to kep the surgery. You get dumbasses.

Speaker 3 (02:09:04):
Yeah, grid Iron time in the NFL our cock Punch
of the Week comes from this forty nine Ers game.
Look at this with the cat Damn dude.

Speaker 4 (02:09:16):
And these guys often have like some kind of protective
coating on it, you know, So it's a little brass knuckley,
you know.

Speaker 3 (02:09:23):
Margarito in the mostly fighting, you know what I mean?
It's wild all right. Look, the yol Romero bellator bit
will never not make me laugh. Check this out. Yeah, yeah,
that's great.

Speaker 6 (02:09:41):
Bit.

Speaker 3 (02:09:42):
Look, let's check in on the WWE. You big Paul Hayman, guy, Luke,
watch this kid try to come up for some love.

Speaker 4 (02:09:48):
Fuck. Okay, he's now my favorite person in the world. Also,
anybodybuddy who tells other strangers to get the fuck out
of their face, Yeah, is my kind of guy. You
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (02:10:00):
Check out your boy, brock Lesnar. Let's see if he
fights at the White House. But watch your footwork here, brock.

Speaker 4 (02:10:07):
All right, all right, that's uh, he recovered a little bit.

Speaker 3 (02:10:10):
Yeah, yeah, he ate it. That dude is on a
lot of things, Luke. Speaking of Brocket's time for MMA
fighters in the wild, here's Sean Strickland running up on
some kids. Very relatable.

Speaker 10 (02:10:20):
Yeah, he's buying fucking drugs from that guy.

Speaker 6 (02:10:27):
Real bad get it, bro.

Speaker 3 (02:10:35):
That was a decent interaction.

Speaker 4 (02:10:36):
Come on a man among his people. I suppose you
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (02:10:40):
Yeah, I understand. Let's go to chech you now, Luke,
rate the dancing skills of Bony and TREMAIAV.

Speaker 4 (02:10:47):
Now is this when they're doing dictator games? Yeah, there's
the kid of Ramzan cadirov. Yes, yes, Luke, this is
a negative eight billion out of.

Speaker 3 (02:10:58):
You know people, people will get down on Luke. Okay. Also,
here's Derek Lewis with the sound bite of the week, the.

Speaker 7 (02:11:05):
Biggest stab of chicken. You know, I really can't remember,
but the biggest stabber took when I was twenty sixteen
on a cruise ship eating all of them damn burgers.
Probably stacked this high in the tallet in one day
and one time I probably like the biggest and the
tallets wasn't even that bad. Actually started coming up and

(02:11:29):
piling up so high, started coming up, almost taking in
my balls, but mad to get that out of there.

Speaker 4 (02:11:36):
Yeah. I had a buddy of mine once who told
me he had he took a dump and it was
in a foreign country. So like the hole that flushes,
it was not in the back, it was in the front.
And so what ended up happened was he would take
a dump and it would be slapping his b It
took a ball slade. That's why he told me about it.
I took a ball slapping dump.

Speaker 3 (02:11:54):
So, yeah, I want out of this conversation speaking here.

Speaker 4 (02:11:57):
You're the one who put this in here. I didn't.
I didn't arrange this. You decie.

Speaker 3 (02:12:00):
Time to get flatchulan. I've got a great Christmas gift
idea for you. Check out this action figure.

Speaker 4 (02:12:05):
Me leaving a party because I shit my pants action figure.

Speaker 3 (02:12:09):
I mean it's relatable.

Speaker 4 (02:12:10):
I don't need to ship my pants to leave a party,
but I definitely would if I did.

Speaker 3 (02:12:14):
Yeah, I'd give them the Lithuanian exit. At least be
respectful and tell them right, I'm out of here, you
know what I mean? Let's hear from this lady.

Speaker 18 (02:12:21):
I like to ship. You like to ship, We like
to ship. This is shitting. I piss, you piss, we piss.
This is piss.

Speaker 6 (02:12:39):
I mean, you know.

Speaker 3 (02:12:42):
It was poetic.

Speaker 4 (02:12:43):
How high were you when you put this list together?

Speaker 2 (02:12:47):
Look?

Speaker 3 (02:12:47):
Our toilet of the week takes us to this construction site.
Would you drop here?

Speaker 4 (02:12:54):
I like how this show is just peepee poo poo
and we're nearly fifty.

Speaker 3 (02:13:01):
Okay, let's go to Wheel of Fortune for our haha.

Speaker 13 (02:13:05):
The week cor in miners and hoes, no.

Speaker 4 (02:13:11):
Stick, fingers and towns.

Speaker 7 (02:13:13):
That's it.

Speaker 4 (02:13:19):
They're like, what was the category things you'd bang? He's
like miners and hoes, you.

Speaker 3 (02:13:23):
Know, Luke We've been running clips every once in a
while of Jay Aaron getting in the best shape of
his life over forty you remember, yeh j Yeah, he
went to the High Rocks Dallas. Is this CrossFit?

Speaker 4 (02:13:36):
I don't know, but he put a CrossFit for people
who are not in shape.

Speaker 3 (02:13:39):
He put out a highlight video. He's pretty built.

Speaker 4 (02:13:42):
Right, he looks as middle aged and shitty and average
as ever.

Speaker 3 (02:13:48):
All right, Well he he put this out on his
ig a lot, Luke, there was a lot of this
on there. Okay, all right, you'll never be in that
shape again, will you, Luke.

Speaker 4 (02:13:57):
No, I'll be dead before I'm in this kind of shape.

Speaker 3 (02:13:59):
All right, me shout out.

Speaker 4 (02:14:01):
I'll still beat his ass, though. Know that.

Speaker 3 (02:14:04):
It's time to rate that tat one to ten ten
being awesome. Up first, let's go glizzy time.

Speaker 4 (02:14:12):
I'll give it a five for funniness.

Speaker 3 (02:14:14):
Okay, there's some respect there.

Speaker 7 (02:14:16):
All right.

Speaker 3 (02:14:16):
Let's go to this head tat. That's not bad, dude.

Speaker 4 (02:14:23):
That is a lot.

Speaker 3 (02:14:27):
Yeah, but can you run that one more time? I
mean rate the art here, Luke.

Speaker 4 (02:14:31):
The art itself is not that great, that's the problem.
All the colors are saturated.

Speaker 3 (02:14:36):
But it's so what's it gets a six?

Speaker 6 (02:14:40):
All right?

Speaker 3 (02:14:42):
This next tattoo is a is a political thing, but
rate the artistry.

Speaker 4 (02:14:45):
Luke, It's no, no, it's a tattoo. It's the thing
is it's a little too light, you know, six five
something like that.

Speaker 3 (02:15:00):
Okay, Okay, we got one more for you, Luke.

Speaker 13 (02:15:03):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (02:15:03):
You ever get drunk and like then you hurt yourself
but you don't realize it. Yeah, yeah, let's watch this guy.
Oh boy, oh come on, oh my god, that.

Speaker 4 (02:15:15):
Is just ankle.

Speaker 3 (02:15:17):
I don't even think he knows though, just too drunk.
Oh oh god, he'll never walk again. Wow. Wow, all right,
that's that's all the ship we can handle today. Have
you in fact seen it?

Speaker 11 (02:15:33):
Wow?

Speaker 4 (02:15:33):
You're like, hey, this guy is now on crutches for
the remainder of his time on earth.

Speaker 3 (02:15:38):
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Speaker 4 (02:16:35):
In about two hours. At three pm East Coast time today,
I'm going to be doing a live tape study of
the main event from Saturday. That's for paid subscribers only
on my substack, But if you're so inclined or you're
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three pm.

Speaker 3 (02:16:49):
Long Island, Luke, thank you for your efforts today. What
can we look forward to on the main card minute
this week as we build to the final ESPN card
in UFC history.

Speaker 6 (02:16:59):
I know it's bittersweet. I was gonna say I have
a bet breakdown out for that tomorrow.

Speaker 5 (02:17:02):
New prop quiz on Friday, but you know we'll talk
about that on Friday show.

Speaker 4 (02:17:05):
All right.

Speaker 3 (02:17:05):
I'm thinking of doing a live this week, first time
in a while, so stay tuned to.

Speaker 4 (02:17:10):
The BC exit for the for the final card, No.

Speaker 3 (02:17:14):
No, just to just to you know, talk ship and
catch up with people, all right, catch up Mustard, all
that stuff, all that and then some Tall Pail and
Handsome your boy BC for the l T for the
L I L. It's been fantastic recapping the fights with
you this week. Hope you enjoyed it. Have a great
week until then, we alright. He

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