June 20, 2026 • 33 mins
David Wheeler kicks off Brian Bengs week by welcoming the man himself, Brian Bengs, to the show. The episode dives deep into the current state of Bengs' Senate race, highlighting his strong polling performance against incumbent Mike Rounds. Bengs shares insights on the challenges of a three-way race, emphasizing that the presence of a Democratic candidate could hinder his chances despite his competitive edge in head-to-head scenarios. The conversation touches on vital issues affecting South Dakota, including rural healthcare, education, and the influence of big money in politics. As they wrap up, Wheeler passionately encourages listeners to support Bengs' campaign, framing it as a pivotal moment for the future of South Dakota and beyond. David Wheeler hosts a lively discussion with Brian Bengs during the inaugural Brian Bengs week, where they dive deep into the political landscape of South Dakota as Bengs campaigns for the Senate. The conversation kicks off with Bengs expressing gratitude for being recognized with a week named after him, a first in his career. They reflect on the successful start to the week with Jennifer Bengs, setting a positive tone for the discussions to come. Wheeler emphasizes the importance of raising awareness and support for Bang's Senate run, highlighting the encouraging polling data that shows Bengs in a competitive position against the incumbent, Mike Rounds. The guests analyze the unique dynamics of South Dakota's political environment, particularly the challenges posed by a potential three-way race that could split votes and favor the Republican candidate. Bengs candidly shares insights from his prior campaigns and the strategic decisions behind his current campaign approach, showing a deep understanding of the state's electorate and the significance of engaging with voters directly. As the conversation continues, they delve into the implications of polling data, illustrating how Bengs has been able to resonate with voters across party lines, especially as an independent candidate. Wheeler underscores the necessity for Bengs to garner support from Democrats, who traditionally face an uphill battle in South Dakota due to historical biases against the party. They discuss the systemic issues impacting voter turnout and the importance of building coalitions that transcend party lines. Bengs articulates his vision for addressing pressing local issues such as healthcare, education, and campaign finance reform, which resonate deeply with the electorate. Throughout the episode, Bengs's passion for serving the constituents of South Dakota shines through, marking him as a candidate who prioritizes the needs of the people over party politics. In conclusion, the episode wraps up with a call to action for listeners to support Bengs's campaign, stressing that the stakes are high in this election cycle. Wheeler encourages listeners to reach out to the South Dakota Democratic Party and advocate for a united front in support of Bengs, emphasizing the importance of prioritizing the future of South Dakota and the nation over traditional party affiliations. The episode is not just a campaign pitch; it is a rallying cry for political engagement and reform in a state that is at a crossroads.
Takeaways:
- Brian Bengs appreciates the recognition of having a week named after him, marking a significant moment in his campaign journey.
- The podcast emphasizes the importance of engaging with voters and understanding their needs, especially in rural areas like South Dakota.
- Poll results indicate that Brian Bengs is in a competitive position against Mike Rounds, highlighting the potential for victory in the upcoming Senate race.
- The discussion revolves around the challenges faced by Democratic candidates in South Dakota, with a focus on the structural difficulties of a three-way race.
- Brian Bengs stresses the need for campaign resources and grassroots support to effectively challenge the incumbent and raise awareness.
- The speakers agree on the critical importance of local engagement and the necessity of addressing systemic issues affecting constituents in South Dakota.
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Companies mentioned in this episode:
- PPP
- South Dakota Democratic Party
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Hey folks, David Wheeler herewith muck you It's Brian Bengs week.
And guess who we got on theprogram. The one and only Brian Bengs.
Welcome to the show.
Thank you so much. I never hada week named after myself before,
so I do appreciate that.
And it's a full week. Westarted yesterday. We're taping this
on Monday. And we startedBrian Bengs week with Jennifer Bengs,
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who I think you know,.
I hope you know, I've met hera couple times.
Yeah, okay, good, good. Shewas terrific and a great way to start
the week when we've had aterrific response.
But.
I'm delighted to have you backon the show, Brian. The reason we're
doing this is we think you canwin and we want to help you in any
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way we can. And we think oneway to do that is to raise the volume
with our listeners andsupporters across the board. And
so let's have a littlediscussion. What is the state of
the race from yourperspective? And then we'll have
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a couple more questions. All right.
Well, that sounds good. Well,the state of the race is we are full
steam ahead at this point.We're still living high off the hog
with the poll we got back atthe end of May. We'd run some went
all in on the a gamble to runsome TV ads throughout May that were
very well received. So SouthDakota is kind of a unique media
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market where 70% of thepopulation is in one market, sioux
Falls, and 30% is in the othermarket, Rapid City. So for efficiency
purposes, we weightedobviously heavily towards Sioux Falls
and had a lighter presence inRapid City. But it did what we wanted
it to do in terms of gettingmy name out and some of the message
out of what I'm offering. Andthe poll that we got back at the
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end of May after the TV adswas very encouraging. It has me down
in the initial ballot by 4,Mike Rounds 44, me 40. And then after
the informed bio where we dopositive bios for both rounds and
I then I end up too ahead bytwo, actually. So it is a very good
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position. I think if we havethe resources going forward, I think
we can in fact take thisSenate seat.
Well, I think you can too. Andthat poll, which we've had your pollster
on or one of your consultantson to kind of digest it. And that
poll shows that in a head tohead, Brian Bengs can beat Mike Rounds,
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who's a MAGA king andobviously done nothing for South
Dakota other than probablyenrich himself. But before we get
there, there's A Democrat inthe race. So give us a little bit
of information about how athree way race would look based upon
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the poll and, and your own gutinstinct, because you've run before
as a Democrat. Yeah. In 24,22, 22. So you know, what do your
instincts tell you about athree way race?
Well, in a three way race, Ithink we all know the answer to that.
Our system is just notdesigned to handle more than two
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candidates, which is why weend up with the, the default Republican,
Democrat fight each other andyou very rarely have an independent
involved. The, in a three wayrace, the polling is clear. It validates
what you'd expect that MikeRounds comes out on top, I come out
number two and the Democraticcandidate, Julian comes out number
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three. So when you get yourstandard response in a three way
race is, oh, somebody's aspoiler. That is true, unfortunately.
And in this case it is theDemocratic candidate. So he and I
actually have talked aboutthat in the past. He knows it, I
know it, that there's not muchvalue in both of us being on the
ballot because we're bothspinning our wheels. Mike Rounds
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wins by default.
Well, that. Yeah. And so whatwas, what's the outcome of that discussion
in the past? I want to talktoo much about the past, but where
are you with that?
Yeah, so we spoke last year.We haven't spoke too much since then,
but we spoke last year whenthings were just getting started,
before anybody knew where wewere, how we were going to be doing
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or anything like that. And Imade him the offer that if he is
in a better position than meto go forward more competitive based
on polling and fundraisingthat I, it's. I'm not in this for
ego. I would, I would stepaside because I think the state and
the country is better servedif Mike Rounds does not go back to
D.C. for a third term. Solooking forward to what is best for
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South Dakotans. I have that. Imade that offer in the past and I
stand by that offer. So Iconsider it a valid offer. Right
now I don't know what hisassessment of the situation is, but
my assessment of the situationis I have done skimmingly better
for fundraising and thepolling obviously is quite good.
I would note in the same pollthat he is down 25 points to Mike
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Rounds when I'm down four. Sohe's got a little bit deeper hole
to start from. But that iskind of what you'd expect in South
Dakota with the favorabilityof the Democratic Party in our, in
our prior polls being about23%, which is roughly equivalent
to what the voterregistrations are for Democrats in
South Dakota. So theDemocratic candidates just start
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in a deep hole that they haveto dig themselves out of. And I experienced
this myself before. You evenget to start fighting to build something
that makes you competitive.
Yeah, it's just structurally,it's. It's almost impossible for
a Democrat to win. And that's,you know, we're not saying anything
against Julian or against anyother Democrat running, but it's
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just structurally verydifficult. Not. And I live in a part
of North Carolina, aslisteners know, that's the same thing.
And I've run for office, andpeople say, well, you're a. You're
a loser. Well, yeah, I'm aloser because I ran in a drunk district.
But that's. The poll says alot different, though, about an independent
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candidate. And I think part ofit is the folks know you and they
like you, but I think it'salso that you don't have Democrat
behind your name.
I would say 100%. Yeah, thelack of the D behind my name, because
my experience in. In 22, whenI ran, it was kind of a Don Quixote
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mission to run against thecurrent majority leader of the Senate
because he started thecampaign with, I think, 7 million
or $8 million in his bankaccount and raised another, basically
double that over the course ofthe campaign while just ignoring
me. And he ended up spending$7 million. But I did not get to
have what I wanted, which wasthe exchange of ideas. And as an
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independent, I can saydefinitively the reception I get
when I go up and talk topeople wearing Trump hats, wearing
cowboy, whatever, whereverthey are in the conservative areas
of this state is significantlybetter. And I can. I can engage with
people. I don't get all thepeople, but I get a serious number
of people going like, yeah, Iagree with you on these things. And
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that just does not happen witha Democratic label.
Right. And. And the poll wasalso interesting in that rounds was
what, at 20 per 28 approval?
Or let's see, in this, he'sbeen as low over the last six polls
that have been done. Four ofthem are mine and two of them are
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independent. Over the last sixpolls, he fluctuates between 32 and
40%. I think in our mostrecent poll, he was at 39 approval.
39. Okay. So, you know, anincumbent that is only liked by 39
of the electorate of thepopulace is not a very good position
to start from. But the problemis in a head to Head with the Democrat.
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The Democrat still loses by 25points. Right?
Yeah, that's what the pollingsews right now.
And, and you, you wereessentially even with him.
Yeah, I'm in the head withinthe margin of error essentially.
Right. And, and folks need tounderstand that this is a PPP poll.
This is not just an internalpoll that Brian put out to you know,
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try and fool folks. You know,all you have to do is look up PPP
and they're one of the bestpolling firms out there and they
don't do polls, they do realpolls. So you know the, the net net
here folks is Brian Bengs canwin if he's in a head to head race
with, with Mike Rounds. BrianBengs cannot win if it's a three
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way race with the Democrat inthere. So I would suggest, and I'm
not going to speak for Brian,this is me speaking. Anybody that
is interested in, in winningin South Dakota, number one, you
need to support Brian Bengshis campaign. It's Bengs B E N G
S for South Dakota.com and Iput a little accent in there South
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Dakota and, and then thesecond thing you can do is pick up
the phone and we'll put thisin the show notes and call the South
Dakota Democratic Party orJulian, the Senate candidates offices
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and ask, ask him to pleasantpleasure. Pleasantly asked. Don't
berate him, don't be meanabout it. Just say hey listen, we
want to win. I'm a Democrat, Iwant to win. I'm not going to support
you. I'm supporting Brianbecause I'm convinced he can win.
So let's, let's do that. Wealso may put up a, a petition. Maybe
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we can get folks to encourageJulian to run for lieutenant governor
or insurance commissioner orsomething. But, and if he does that
we'll support him 100. We'llhelp him raise some money, we'll
have him on the show. We'veinvited him to the show but he hasn't
responded. So listenlisteners, you know, we're not just
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doing this because we want tomake Brian popular. We want, we're
doing this show in this BrianBengs week because I honestly believe
he can win. And I'll haveanother question here in a second
Brian, but I a lot's on mymind on this race and it's a little
bit bottled up and I'm the guythat said we can beat Madison Cawthorn.
Now Madison Cawthorn was afirst term member of Congress out
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here in North Carolina and hewas very popular. He was well into
the 70 percentile before westarted banging on him, and he ended
up losing by 1400 votes. So,listen, I think Brian can win, and
I'm not just saying thatbecause Pollyannish guy. I don't.
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Anybody that listen to thisshow knows that that's not my style.
But I've got to know Brian. Ilooked at this race from a structural
standpoint and gone in depthon the poll, and I think Bengs is
the right guy for SouthDakota. So having said that, Brian,
where. Where is your head? Youthink we can get Julian to see the
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light or what. What's your.Where are you thinking things are
headed right now?
We. Obviously, the decision torun or not run or withdraw is an
individual decision made bythe candidates themselves. So I.
I make mold over that decisionmyself, and I continue to do that
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every day about what's in thebest interests of the people, the
constituents, which shouldalways be the premier question for
every candidate of any partyor no party, or what is in the best
interest of my constituents orwould be constituents. And my assessment
is that Julian cannot compete,given the difficulty he has with
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the D label behind him. Andthe polling backs that up. And the
favorability of the DemocraticParty in South Dakota being, you
know, the Republican Party isnot that much better, but it is substantially
better than the DemocraticParty in terms of broad favorability,
given the voter registration.So I would note that the polling
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that. That we've got back. I'mhitting my numbers I need in the
Republican respondents. I'mhitting the numbers I need in the
independent respondents. Thedeficiencies were, it's really costing
me. And why I'm not ahead ofMike Rounds is the Democratic respondents
to these polls are not comingmy direction, as much as I need them
to be. So will Julianwithdraw? So far, he's resisted that.
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And the arguments have been,you know, one of the arguments to
the point of what you werejust talking about, he's come back,
or his. His surrogates havecome back and said, oh, your money's
coming from out of state. I'vegot a lot more from South Dakota.
And I don't know that that'strue, actually. But I do know that
you cannot raise the type ofmoney it takes to win a senate race
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anywhere in South Dakota. Youjust can't. So we are dependent on
people from across thecountry. And my average contribution
is, I think, somewhere in theneighborhood of 30 bucks, 31 bucks,
something like that. Soregular folks keep kicking in what
they can here and there, andthat's just the. The state of the
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situation right now. And Idon't know if the South Dakota Democratic
Party or Julian understandshow this system, broken as it is,
works right now and needs tochange, of course, but this is how
it is. This is a game that youplay right now, unfortunately.
Yeah, well, and, and myfrustration, Brian, is that the data
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is clear, that you could beatrounds, but, you know, the party,
Democratic Party and otherscan't see beyond their nose and,
and realize.
That, you know, we're at war.
This is, you know, not to, notto be too dramatic, but good God,
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Trump is taking this countryin a direction that is very frightening
for me and others. And ifpeople don't see the need to think
outside of the typicalelectoral and election box, they're
part of the problem. I mean,they're compounding the problem.
So this isn't just about youwinning. This isn't about Julian
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not winning or not being ableto win. This is about the future
of the country. And if you'rein this United States Senate, you're
going to be an independentvoice that's not going to listen
to the either party tell youhow to vote. You're going to vote
based upon the Constitution, I assume.
And, and that's the positionI've taken, certainly, that I'm a
law, law and order, rule, ruleof law guy. I've spent the bulk of
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my life as an Air Forceofficer and a jag, you know, defending
good order and discipline.What are the rules? We should be
following them. Why are we notfollowing the Constitution? These
were things that I was trainedto do and I believe in. I was sold
on the Constitution in juniorhigh school and in high school. What
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I learned then, I want what Iwas promised back then, and I want
everybody else to have whatthey were promised by their teachers
when they were little. Wedon't have it right now.
And, and again, we're at war,folks. And do folks in South Dakota
understand that, Brian? Imean, are voters realize that this
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election has enough importthat they better get off their asses
and work a little bit harderto win?
Well, there's some people thatcertainly do. There's others that
until the consequences swingat them, they're just going to be
kind of going along and thingsare fine. And I've, I've talked to
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plenty of them, of course, aswell, but, yeah, something big has
to wake up people, I think.
Okay, well, I don't want to betoo much, too gloomy and doomy, but,
folks, do me a favor. Pleasecheck our show notes. Call the South
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Dakota Democratic Party and.And other Julian's campaign. And.
And let me check here thatthis is your idea, not mine. I'm
not.
No, I know, I know, I know.
This is not something that Isuggested that you. You advocate
for.
No, I don't. Again, I thinkanybody listen to the show knows
that I usually take theopposite direction when somebody
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asked me to do something, so.And you certainly have not. And I
don't want you to get taggedwith this. But again, my feeling
is this is war, folks, and wehave to start thinking like compatriots
and revolutionaries and, andless about party lines and traditional.
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So, again, we're here withBrian Bengs, who's running for the
United States Senate fromSouth Dakota. You're listening to
Muck U with David Wheeler,who's nothing but trouble. And we're
delighted to have you, Brian.So where. Where are you headed this
on the campaign trail in thenext couple months? What's, What's.
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How do you win? Let's say.Let's say we get things headed in
the right direction. How doyou win this race, Brian?
Yeah, this is. Well, theretail politics is where I'm going
to be heading basically, inthe next few months. For example,
this week I'm heading to SiouxFalls, which is about six hours from
where I live. South Dakota isa very large state for those people
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that don't know. I will bedriving six hours at 80 miles an
hour to get to the largestcity in the state from the corner
where I live. But the, thegetting out and the meeting people,
we did that on the front endin January through April, trying
to get valid nominatingpetition signatures to talk to a
lot of people that way nowtalk to the people that are perhaps
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less engaged but are nowstarting to pay more attention. And
I'll be going to parades, thatsort of thing, and just getting out
and talking to people. One ofthe big lessons that I got in 22
when I ran is that I would. Iwould literally go up to people,
introduce myself as acandidate and tell them I'm going
to guarantee with 100certainty that you and I will agree
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on at least two, but probablythree things. Then I'd run down my
list. And they're not in thelong agree to generally all three.
I'd say, can I count on yourvote in November? And they get around
to asking, so what are you.And when you say, well, I'm a lifelong
independent, but I'm runningas a Democrat, I'll never vote for
a Democrat. So that is nothappening. I'm doing Essentially
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the same thing now. And theysay, well, I'm running as an independent,
and people stick with me andlike, oh, what a. Okay, yeah, they
all look you up online. What.I'll find out more about you. So
doing more of that and justengaging people. And then they tell
their friends and everything.And I tell people, like, hey, if
you like what you see on mywebsite, or what I'm saying, tell
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your friends. If you don'tlike it, tell me. So that personal
engagement is definitely whatI'm going to be doing a lot more
of.
Well, good. I think that's theway you win in a smallish state.
And what are the two or threepopulation centers you got? Sioux
Falls. What else?
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Sioux Falls is a big one. Andin the west, west river, it is Rapid
City. Then, of course, the i29corridor on the eastern side of the
state, you've got Watertown,Brookings. There's Mitchell. That's
more kind of towards themiddle. And then where I lived before
is Aberdeen in the northeastcorner. So the population, if the
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state were balanced in themiddle, the population on the eastern
side would tip it very muchthat way because that is the 70%
of the population lives eastof the Missouri R. Oh, really?
Okay, that's interesting. So,and I assume indigenous population
is fairly important?
Oh, absolutely. Yeah. In 22, Ivisited all the reservations and
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all the counties, and I willbe visiting the reservations again
and trying to get more incontact with the leadership of the
reservations as opposed to theindividual people themselves, who
I spoke to at great length inthe past. But one of the things that
struck me when I did it in 22is I heard the exact same thing to
the same. Same answer to thesame question that I asked at every
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reservation. We have nine ofthem, by the way. And I'd say, so
what. What do you need? Whatwould help the reservation population
the most? And every singlereservation answered me with, we
need better education, we needbetter health care, we need better
law enforcement, and we needbetter roads. Every single one, same
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answer, which obviouslyindicates there's a systemic problem
that needs to be addressed atthese places where we've. We've set
aside the territory as anexchange for surrendering, you know,
treaties in the past,surrendering the territory that is
now the bulk of South Dakota.So we need to do a better job taking
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care of the native population,certainly, and going to be out there
talking to them and findingout what they need.
Well, that's terrific. And Iguarantee you Mike Rounds is not
spending very much time onthose on the reservations is he?
You generally don't find,yeah, too many Republicans hanging
out on reservations.
And what other issues? Oil andgas is a big deal. What else?
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Well, the cost of fuelcertainly contributing to the affordability
crisis. South Dakota is a veryrural state, if anybody didn't know
that. Very rural state. Sohealth care, rural health care is
a big deal. And Mike Roundswillingness to cut the Medicare Medicaid
funds funding is going toimperil a lot of rural health care
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places that are often the onlyhealth care availability within hours.
So if these places go underbecause they depend on Medicaid reimbursement,
for example, which they do,then you now are looking at, hey,
it could be a three hour driveto go to a hospital or more in some
cases, depending where youlive. So that is an important issue.
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We need to talk about more.
And the feds can certainlyhave an impact there. Here in North
Carolina, the Republicansresisted Medicaid expansion and they
finally did it. And lo andbehold, people are healthier people.
These rural hospitals are, arenot closing at the rate that they
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were in the past.
So yeah, it's the same recipeeverywhere that, yeah, we had to
actually have a popular vote.The legislature did not want to expand
Medicaid and it got, we got iton the ballots. And so when the people
voted to, to do it, then,okay, we, we got it through. But
then they look like, oh, youknow, we'll just put some work requirements
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in there to try to limit itfurther. So it's constant back and
forth.
And what, what is, what aretwo other important issues that matter
in South Dakota and matter to you?
Well, when I was talking topeople gathering nominating petition
signatures, and basically partof my approach when I engage with
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anybody is I tell them that Ithink big money controls our politics.
And literally to a person,every single individual that I speak
with says, yeah, tell mesomething I don't know, that the
politicians work for the bigmoney donors that are writing them
large checks rather than us.So I would say the single biggest
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issue for me is getting moneyout of politics to the maximum extent
possible. And I know that's abig uphill fight, but we did that
over a century ago and SouthDakota was a leader in that effort.
So what I'm trying to do istap into, hey, South Dakotans, do
you know your own history?Because in many ways I am like their
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great, great grandfather'sRepublican Dakota delivered Teddy
Roosevelt, for example, the,the biggest popular vote win of his
1912 presidential campaign. Sowe have a state of people that don't
like getting screwed over bybig money corporate interests or
big money interests in generalin the past. They just need to be
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reminded of it because theyalready believe that. So tapping
into that sentiment, because Ibelieve big money is a cause of a
lot of the other divisiveissues that we have, using that to
keep us at each other'sthroat. So there's that issue and,
of course, reforming the taxcode. So the big money interests
that have bought the tax. Taxcode that they prefer do not get
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to continue driving us deeperand deeper into debt. And everybody
wants to address that sort ofthing, in my experience.
Everybody that cares aboutsomebody other than themselves. That's
true.
Everybody but thebillionaires, I guess I should call
them.
Exactly, exactly. And howabout data centers? Is that an issue
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in. In South Dakota or.
No, it is. There was an issuein Sioux Falls that really highlighted
it for us. So I get askedabout that fairly regularly as well.
And my position on that hasbeen, because there's been people
that come out and argue like,oh, no, data centers. We've got one.
I think there's one in NorthDakota that was not far from where
I lived in Aberdeen beforethat. The local community seems to
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be happy with, and they thinkthat it brings in money and everything
to their area. So my take onthis is, hey, data center people,
if you want to build somethingsomewhere, you sell it to the people,
and then they have a popularvote on it. And if you've sold it,
then, yes, they will vote forit. If you've not sold it, they will
vote against it. But the keyis to ask the people. Don't just
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ram it down their throat bysome backroom deals with the. The
legislature or the local towncouncil or something like that, which
seems to be what's going on.And most people are. Are not pleased
by that.
Yeah, no, that's. That's avery South Dakota approach to things.
You know, let local. Let thelocals decide. I. I think that's
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a really good position tohave. All right, folks, so we're
with Brian Bengs, who'srunning for United States senate
from South Dakota. He's anindependent, and I've been done a
deep dive on this race, and Ithink Brian can win. So Bengs, B
N G S for South Dakota dotcom. Go make a donation. Or you can
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go to Vote roi dot com bb.That's Brian's landing page on a
new fundraising site that Iactually run. That's vote r o I.com
BB and make a donation. Itgoes directly to Brian's campaign
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at about half the cost of ActBlue.
That's a good thing.
That's a very good thing. So,Brian, I hear that you're not much
of a skier.
So you've been talking to myold boss.
Yes, I have. He's a terrific guy.
You grew up in Iowa too, Ithink, right?
That's right.
That's right. I grew up inNorth Iowa where the fields are flat
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and you don't really, youknow, you don't go skiing in Iowa.
So I, when I tried to ski,living in the Bavarian Alps where
everybody skis and my childrenwho were going to the German school,
they like, they had ski weekwhere they would go up and teach
the kids how to ski at, inwhatever second grade or something
like that. And everybody justlearns to ski. So I tried to learn
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to ski because, hey, this isthe, this is the world class place
where you do this. And whenyou're 6 foot 8 and you're trying
to learn to ski when you're 43years old and you've not really done
it before, things don't gowell. It, it was not, it was not
a good experience for me. Idid not have any broken bones in
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the end though. So that was a positive.
Yeah, yeah. All right. Well, Ican only imagine. Oh my God. Six,
eight. Can you imagine tryingto ski you and talk about skiing
over your skis or whateverthat phrase is? Yeah.
So, yeah, I contend that thatwas my biggest limitation is that
I'm very large and like mycenter of gravity is a little bit
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different than other people.
Yeah, yeah. Well, blame it onthe skis. There you go. All right,
Brian, well, thank you so muchfor spending some time with us and
opening up your life andcampaign to muck you today again,
folks. Bengals B E N G S forSouth Dakota.com is Brian's website
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and you can drop a donationthere. You can send Brian a note,
send him some support, or youcan go to voteroi.com bb as well.
This has been muck you with myfriend, Brian Bengs. I'm David Wheeler
and again, thank you forjoining us, Brian.
Thank you so much for havingme. Thank you to all your listeners
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as well.
Okay, that's it for muck youfor now and as we always sign off,
Muck you.
Hey folks, David Wheeler herewith muck you It's Brian Bengs week.
And guess who we got on theprogram. The one and only Brian Bengs.
Welcome to the show.
Thank you so much. I never hada week named after myself before,
so I do appreciate that.
And it's a full week. Westarted yesterday. We're taping this
on Monday. And we startedBrian Bengs week with Jennifer Bengs,
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who I think you know,.
I hope you know, I've met hera couple times.
Yeah, okay, good, good. Shewas terrific and a great way to start
the week when we've had aterrific response.
But.
I'm delighted to have you backon the show, Brian. The reason we're
doing this is we think you canwin and we want to help you in any
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way we can. And we think oneway to do that is to raise the volume
with our listeners andsupporters across the board. And
so let's have a littlediscussion. What is the state of
the race from yourperspective? And then we'll have
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a couple more questions. All right.
Well, that sounds good. Well,the state of the race is we are full
steam ahead at this point.We're still living high off the hog
with the poll we got back atthe end of May. We'd run some went
all in on the a gamble to runsome TV ads throughout May that were
very well received. So SouthDakota is kind of a unique media
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market where 70% of thepopulation is in one market, sioux
Falls, and 30% is in the othermarket, Rapid City. So for efficiency
purposes, we weightedobviously heavily towards Sioux Falls
and had a lighter presence inRapid City. But it did what we wanted
it to do in terms of gettingmy name out and some of the message
out of what I'm offering. Andthe poll that we got back at the
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end of May after the TV adswas very encouraging. It has me down
in the initial ballot by 4,Mike Rounds 44, me 40. And then after
the informed bio where we dopositive bios for both rounds and
I then I end up too ahead bytwo, actually. So it is a very good
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position. I think if we havethe resources going forward, I think
we can in fact take thisSenate seat.
Well, I think you can too. Andthat poll, which we've had your pollster
on or one of your consultantson to kind of digest it. And that
poll shows that in a head tohead, Brian Bengs can beat Mike Rounds,
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who's a MAGA king andobviously done nothing for South
Dakota other than probablyenrich himself. But before we get
there, there's A Democrat inthe race. So give us a little bit
of information about how athree way race would look based upon
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the poll and, and your own gutinstinct, because you've run before
as a Democrat. Yeah. In 24,22, 22. So you know, what do your
instincts tell you about athree way race?
Well, in a three way race, Ithink we all know the answer to that.
Our system is just notdesigned to handle more than two
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candidates, which is why weend up with the, the default Republican,
Democrat fight each other andyou very rarely have an independent
involved. The, in a three wayrace, the polling is clear. It validates
what you'd expect that MikeRounds comes out on top, I come out
number two and the Democraticcandidate, Julian comes out number
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three. So when you get yourstandard response in a three way
race is, oh, somebody's aspoiler. That is true, unfortunately.
And in this case it is theDemocratic candidate. So he and I
actually have talked aboutthat in the past. He knows it, I
know it, that there's not muchvalue in both of us being on the
ballot because we're bothspinning our wheels. Mike Rounds
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wins by default.
Well, that. Yeah. And so whatwas, what's the outcome of that discussion
in the past? I want to talktoo much about the past, but where
are you with that?
Yeah, so we spoke last year.We haven't spoke too much since then,
but we spoke last year whenthings were just getting started,
before anybody knew where wewere, how we were going to be doing
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or anything like that. And Imade him the offer that if he is
in a better position than meto go forward more competitive based
on polling and fundraisingthat I, it's. I'm not in this for
ego. I would, I would stepaside because I think the state and
the country is better servedif Mike Rounds does not go back to
D.C. for a third term. Solooking forward to what is best for
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South Dakotans. I have that. Imade that offer in the past and I
stand by that offer. So Iconsider it a valid offer. Right
now I don't know what hisassessment of the situation is, but
my assessment of the situationis I have done skimmingly better
for fundraising and thepolling obviously is quite good.
I would note in the same pollthat he is down 25 points to Mike
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Rounds when I'm down four. Sohe's got a little bit deeper hole
to start from. But that iskind of what you'd expect in South
Dakota with the favorabilityof the Democratic Party in our, in
our prior polls being about23%, which is roughly equivalent
to what the voterregistrations are for Democrats in
South Dakota. So theDemocratic candidates just start
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in a deep hole that they haveto dig themselves out of. And I experienced
this myself before. You evenget to start fighting to build something
that makes you competitive.
Yeah, it's just structurally,it's. It's almost impossible for
a Democrat to win. And that's,you know, we're not saying anything
against Julian or against anyother Democrat running, but it's
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just structurally verydifficult. Not. And I live in a part
of North Carolina, aslisteners know, that's the same thing.
And I've run for office, andpeople say, well, you're a. You're
a loser. Well, yeah, I'm aloser because I ran in a drunk district.
But that's. The poll says alot different, though, about an independent
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candidate. And I think part ofit is the folks know you and they
like you, but I think it'salso that you don't have Democrat
behind your name.
I would say 100%. Yeah, thelack of the D behind my name, because
my experience in. In 22, whenI ran, it was kind of a Don Quixote
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mission to run against thecurrent majority leader of the Senate
because he started thecampaign with, I think, 7 million
or $8 million in his bankaccount and raised another, basically
double that over the course ofthe campaign while just ignoring
me. And he ended up spending$7 million. But I did not get to
have what I wanted, which wasthe exchange of ideas. And as an
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independent, I can saydefinitively the reception I get
when I go up and talk topeople wearing Trump hats, wearing
cowboy, whatever, whereverthey are in the conservative areas
of this state is significantlybetter. And I can. I can engage with
people. I don't get all thepeople, but I get a serious number
of people going like, yeah, Iagree with you on these things. And
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that just does not happen witha Democratic label.
Right. And. And the poll wasalso interesting in that rounds was
what, at 20 per 28 approval?
Or let's see, in this, he'sbeen as low over the last six polls
that have been done. Four ofthem are mine and two of them are
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independent. Over the last sixpolls, he fluctuates between 32 and
40%. I think in our mostrecent poll, he was at 39 approval.
39. Okay. So, you know, anincumbent that is only liked by 39
of the electorate of thepopulace is not a very good position
to start from. But the problemis in a head to Head with the Democrat.
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The Democrat still loses by 25points. Right?
Yeah, that's what the pollingsews right now.
And, and you, you wereessentially even with him.
Yeah, I'm in the head withinthe margin of error essentially.
Right. And, and folks need tounderstand that this is a PPP poll.
This is not just an internalpoll that Brian put out to you know,
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try and fool folks. You know,all you have to do is look up PPP
and they're one of the bestpolling firms out there and they
don't do polls, they do realpolls. So you know the, the net net
here folks is Brian Bengs canwin if he's in a head to head race
with, with Mike Rounds. BrianBengs cannot win if it's a three
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way race with the Democrat inthere. So I would suggest, and I'm
not going to speak for Brian,this is me speaking. Anybody that
is interested in, in winningin South Dakota, number one, you
need to support Brian Bengshis campaign. It's Bengs B E N G
S for South Dakota.com and Iput a little accent in there South
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Dakota and, and then thesecond thing you can do is pick up
the phone and we'll put thisin the show notes and call the South
Dakota Democratic Party orJulian, the Senate candidates offices
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and ask, ask him to pleasantpleasure. Pleasantly asked. Don't
berate him, don't be meanabout it. Just say hey listen, we
want to win. I'm a Democrat, Iwant to win. I'm not going to support
you. I'm supporting Brianbecause I'm convinced he can win.
So let's, let's do that. Wealso may put up a, a petition. Maybe
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we can get folks to encourageJulian to run for lieutenant governor
or insurance commissioner orsomething. But, and if he does that
we'll support him 100. We'llhelp him raise some money, we'll
have him on the show. We'veinvited him to the show but he hasn't
responded. So listenlisteners, you know, we're not just
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doing this because we want tomake Brian popular. We want, we're
doing this show in this BrianBengs week because I honestly believe
he can win. And I'll haveanother question here in a second
Brian, but I a lot's on mymind on this race and it's a little
bit bottled up and I'm the guythat said we can beat Madison Cawthorn.
Now Madison Cawthorn was afirst term member of Congress out
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here in North Carolina and hewas very popular. He was well into
the 70 percentile before westarted banging on him, and he ended
up losing by 1400 votes. So,listen, I think Brian can win, and
I'm not just saying thatbecause Pollyannish guy. I don't.
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Anybody that listen to thisshow knows that that's not my style.
But I've got to know Brian. Ilooked at this race from a structural
standpoint and gone in depthon the poll, and I think Bengs is
the right guy for SouthDakota. So having said that, Brian,
where. Where is your head? Youthink we can get Julian to see the
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light or what. What's your.Where are you thinking things are
headed right now?
We. Obviously, the decision torun or not run or withdraw is an
individual decision made bythe candidates themselves. So I.
I make mold over that decisionmyself, and I continue to do that
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every day about what's in thebest interests of the people, the
constituents, which shouldalways be the premier question for
every candidate of any partyor no party, or what is in the best
interest of my constituents orwould be constituents. And my assessment
is that Julian cannot compete,given the difficulty he has with
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the D label behind him. Andthe polling backs that up. And the
favorability of the DemocraticParty in South Dakota being, you
know, the Republican Party isnot that much better, but it is substantially
better than the DemocraticParty in terms of broad favorability,
given the voter registration.So I would note that the polling
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that. That we've got back. I'mhitting my numbers I need in the
Republican respondents. I'mhitting the numbers I need in the
independent respondents. Thedeficiencies were, it's really costing
me. And why I'm not ahead ofMike Rounds is the Democratic respondents
to these polls are not comingmy direction, as much as I need them
to be. So will Julianwithdraw? So far, he's resisted that.
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And the arguments have been,you know, one of the arguments to
the point of what you werejust talking about, he's come back,
or his. His surrogates havecome back and said, oh, your money's
coming from out of state. I'vegot a lot more from South Dakota.
And I don't know that that'strue, actually. But I do know that
you cannot raise the type ofmoney it takes to win a senate race
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anywhere in South Dakota. Youjust can't. So we are dependent on
people from across thecountry. And my average contribution
is, I think, somewhere in theneighborhood of 30 bucks, 31 bucks,
something like that. Soregular folks keep kicking in what
they can here and there, andthat's just the. The state of the
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situation right now. And Idon't know if the South Dakota Democratic
Party or Julian understandshow this system, broken as it is,
works right now and needs tochange, of course, but this is how
it is. This is a game that youplay right now, unfortunately.
Yeah, well, and, and myfrustration, Brian, is that the data
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is clear, that you could beatrounds, but, you know, the party,
Democratic Party and otherscan't see beyond their nose and,
and realize.
That, you know, we're at war.
This is, you know, not to, notto be too dramatic, but good God,
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Trump is taking this countryin a direction that is very frightening
for me and others. And ifpeople don't see the need to think
outside of the typicalelectoral and election box, they're
part of the problem. I mean,they're compounding the problem.
So this isn't just about youwinning. This isn't about Julian
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not winning or not being ableto win. This is about the future
of the country. And if you'rein this United States Senate, you're
going to be an independentvoice that's not going to listen
to the either party tell youhow to vote. You're going to vote
based upon the Constitution, I assume.
And, and that's the positionI've taken, certainly, that I'm a
law, law and order, rule, ruleof law guy. I've spent the bulk of
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my life as an Air Forceofficer and a jag, you know, defending
good order and discipline.What are the rules? We should be
following them. Why are we notfollowing the Constitution? These
were things that I was trainedto do and I believe in. I was sold
on the Constitution in juniorhigh school and in high school. What
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I learned then, I want what Iwas promised back then, and I want
everybody else to have whatthey were promised by their teachers
when they were little. Wedon't have it right now.
And, and again, we're at war,folks. And do folks in South Dakota
understand that, Brian? Imean, are voters realize that this
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election has enough importthat they better get off their asses
and work a little bit harderto win?
Well, there's some people thatcertainly do. There's others that
until the consequences swingat them, they're just going to be
kind of going along and thingsare fine. And I've, I've talked to
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plenty of them, of course, aswell, but, yeah, something big has
to wake up people, I think.
Okay, well, I don't want to betoo much, too gloomy and doomy, but,
folks, do me a favor. Pleasecheck our show notes. Call the South
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Dakota Democratic Party and.And other Julian's campaign. And.
And let me check here thatthis is your idea, not mine. I'm
not.
No, I know, I know, I know.
This is not something that Isuggested that you. You advocate
for.
No, I don't. Again, I thinkanybody listen to the show knows
that I usually take theopposite direction when somebody
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asked me to do something, so.And you certainly have not. And I
don't want you to get taggedwith this. But again, my feeling
is this is war, folks, and wehave to start thinking like compatriots
and revolutionaries and, andless about party lines and traditional.
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So, again, we're here withBrian Bengs, who's running for the
United States Senate fromSouth Dakota. You're listening to
Muck U with David Wheeler,who's nothing but trouble. And we're
delighted to have you, Brian.So where. Where are you headed this
on the campaign trail in thenext couple months? What's, What's.
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How do you win? Let's say.Let's say we get things headed in
the right direction. How doyou win this race, Brian?
Yeah, this is. Well, theretail politics is where I'm going
to be heading basically, inthe next few months. For example,
this week I'm heading to SiouxFalls, which is about six hours from
where I live. South Dakota isa very large state for those people
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that don't know. I will bedriving six hours at 80 miles an
hour to get to the largestcity in the state from the corner
where I live. But the, thegetting out and the meeting people,
we did that on the front endin January through April, trying
to get valid nominatingpetition signatures to talk to a
lot of people that way nowtalk to the people that are perhaps
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less engaged but are nowstarting to pay more attention. And
I'll be going to parades, thatsort of thing, and just getting out
and talking to people. One ofthe big lessons that I got in 22
when I ran is that I would. Iwould literally go up to people,
introduce myself as acandidate and tell them I'm going
to guarantee with 100certainty that you and I will agree
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on at least two, but probablythree things. Then I'd run down my
list. And they're not in thelong agree to generally all three.
I'd say, can I count on yourvote in November? And they get around
to asking, so what are you.And when you say, well, I'm a lifelong
independent, but I'm runningas a Democrat, I'll never vote for
a Democrat. So that is nothappening. I'm doing Essentially
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the same thing now. And theysay, well, I'm running as an independent,
and people stick with me andlike, oh, what a. Okay, yeah, they
all look you up online. What.I'll find out more about you. So
doing more of that and justengaging people. And then they tell
their friends and everything.And I tell people, like, hey, if
you like what you see on mywebsite, or what I'm saying, tell
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your friends. If you don'tlike it, tell me. So that personal
engagement is definitely whatI'm going to be doing a lot more
of.
Well, good. I think that's theway you win in a smallish state.
And what are the two or threepopulation centers you got? Sioux
Falls. What else?
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Sioux Falls is a big one. Andin the west, west river, it is Rapid
City. Then, of course, the i29corridor on the eastern side of the
state, you've got Watertown,Brookings. There's Mitchell. That's
more kind of towards themiddle. And then where I lived before
is Aberdeen in the northeastcorner. So the population, if the
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state were balanced in themiddle, the population on the eastern
side would tip it very muchthat way because that is the 70%
of the population lives eastof the Missouri R. Oh, really?
Okay, that's interesting. So,and I assume indigenous population
is fairly important?
Oh, absolutely. Yeah. In 22, Ivisited all the reservations and
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all the counties, and I willbe visiting the reservations again
and trying to get more incontact with the leadership of the
reservations as opposed to theindividual people themselves, who
I spoke to at great length inthe past. But one of the things that
struck me when I did it in 22is I heard the exact same thing to
the same. Same answer to thesame question that I asked at every
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reservation. We have nine ofthem, by the way. And I'd say, so
what. What do you need? Whatwould help the reservation population
the most? And every singlereservation answered me with, we
need better education, we needbetter health care, we need better
law enforcement, and we needbetter roads. Every single one, same
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answer, which obviouslyindicates there's a systemic problem
that needs to be addressed atthese places where we've. We've set
aside the territory as anexchange for surrendering, you know,
treaties in the past,surrendering the territory that is
now the bulk of South Dakota.So we need to do a better job taking
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care of the native population,certainly, and going to be out there
talking to them and findingout what they need.
Well, that's terrific. And Iguarantee you Mike Rounds is not
spending very much time onthose on the reservations is he?
You generally don't find,yeah, too many Republicans hanging
out on reservations.
And what other issues? Oil andgas is a big deal. What else?
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Well, the cost of fuelcertainly contributing to the affordability
crisis. South Dakota is a veryrural state, if anybody didn't know
that. Very rural state. Sohealth care, rural health care is
a big deal. And Mike Roundswillingness to cut the Medicare Medicaid
funds funding is going toimperil a lot of rural health care
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places that are often the onlyhealth care availability within hours.
So if these places go underbecause they depend on Medicaid reimbursement,
for example, which they do,then you now are looking at, hey,
it could be a three hour driveto go to a hospital or more in some
cases, depending where youlive. So that is an important issue.
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We need to talk about more.
And the feds can certainlyhave an impact there. Here in North
Carolina, the Republicansresisted Medicaid expansion and they
finally did it. And lo andbehold, people are healthier people.
These rural hospitals are, arenot closing at the rate that they
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were in the past.
So yeah, it's the same recipeeverywhere that, yeah, we had to
actually have a popular vote.The legislature did not want to expand
Medicaid and it got, we got iton the ballots. And so when the people
voted to, to do it, then,okay, we, we got it through. But
then they look like, oh, youknow, we'll just put some work requirements
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in there to try to limit itfurther. So it's constant back and
forth.
And what, what is, what aretwo other important issues that matter
in South Dakota and matter to you?
Well, when I was talking topeople gathering nominating petition
signatures, and basically partof my approach when I engage with
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anybody is I tell them that Ithink big money controls our politics.
And literally to a person,every single individual that I speak
with says, yeah, tell mesomething I don't know, that the
politicians work for the bigmoney donors that are writing them
large checks rather than us.So I would say the single biggest
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issue for me is getting moneyout of politics to the maximum extent
possible. And I know that's abig uphill fight, but we did that
over a century ago and SouthDakota was a leader in that effort.
So what I'm trying to do istap into, hey, South Dakotans, do
you know your own history?Because in many ways I am like their
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great, great grandfather'sRepublican Dakota delivered Teddy
Roosevelt, for example, the,the biggest popular vote win of his
1912 presidential campaign. Sowe have a state of people that don't
like getting screwed over bybig money corporate interests or
big money interests in generalin the past. They just need to be
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reminded of it because theyalready believe that. So tapping
into that sentiment, because Ibelieve big money is a cause of a
lot of the other divisiveissues that we have, using that to
keep us at each other'sthroat. So there's that issue and,
of course, reforming the taxcode. So the big money interests
that have bought the tax. Taxcode that they prefer do not get
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to continue driving us deeperand deeper into debt. And everybody
wants to address that sort ofthing, in my experience.
Everybody that cares aboutsomebody other than themselves. That's
true.
Everybody but thebillionaires, I guess I should call
them.
Exactly, exactly. And howabout data centers? Is that an issue
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in. In South Dakota or.
No, it is. There was an issuein Sioux Falls that really highlighted
it for us. So I get askedabout that fairly regularly as well.
And my position on that hasbeen, because there's been people
that come out and argue like,oh, no, data centers. We've got one.
I think there's one in NorthDakota that was not far from where
I lived in Aberdeen beforethat. The local community seems to
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be happy with, and they thinkthat it brings in money and everything
to their area. So my take onthis is, hey, data center people,
if you want to build somethingsomewhere, you sell it to the people,
and then they have a popularvote on it. And if you've sold it,
then, yes, they will vote forit. If you've not sold it, they will
vote against it. But the keyis to ask the people. Don't just
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ram it down their throat bysome backroom deals with the. The
legislature or the local towncouncil or something like that, which
seems to be what's going on.And most people are. Are not pleased
by that.
Yeah, no, that's. That's avery South Dakota approach to things.
You know, let local. Let thelocals decide. I. I think that's
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a really good position tohave. All right, folks, so we're
with Brian Bengs, who'srunning for United States senate
from South Dakota. He's anindependent, and I've been done a
deep dive on this race, and Ithink Brian can win. So Bengs, B
N G S for South Dakota dotcom. Go make a donation. Or you can
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go to Vote roi dot com bb.That's Brian's landing page on a
new fundraising site that Iactually run. That's vote r o I.com
BB and make a donation. Itgoes directly to Brian's campaign
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at about half the cost of ActBlue.
That's a good thing.
That's a very good thing. So,Brian, I hear that you're not much
of a skier.
So you've been talking to myold boss.
Yes, I have. He's a terrific guy.
You grew up in Iowa too, Ithink, right?
That's right.
That's right. I grew up inNorth Iowa where the fields are flat
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and you don't really, youknow, you don't go skiing in Iowa.
So I, when I tried to ski,living in the Bavarian Alps where
everybody skis and my childrenwho were going to the German school,
they like, they had ski weekwhere they would go up and teach
the kids how to ski at, inwhatever second grade or something
like that. And everybody justlearns to ski. So I tried to learn
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to ski because, hey, this isthe, this is the world class place
where you do this. And whenyou're 6 foot 8 and you're trying
to learn to ski when you're 43years old and you've not really done
it before, things don't gowell. It, it was not, it was not
a good experience for me. Idid not have any broken bones in
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the end though. So that was a positive.
Yeah, yeah. All right. Well, Ican only imagine. Oh my God. Six,
eight. Can you imagine tryingto ski you and talk about skiing
over your skis or whateverthat phrase is? Yeah.
So, yeah, I contend that thatwas my biggest limitation is that
I'm very large and like mycenter of gravity is a little bit
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different than other people.
Yeah, yeah. Well, blame it onthe skis. There you go. All right,
Brian, well, thank you so muchfor spending some time with us and
opening up your life andcampaign to muck you today again,
folks. Bengals B E N G S forSouth Dakota.com is Brian's website
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and you can drop a donationthere. You can send Brian a note,
send him some support, or youcan go to voteroi.com bb as well.
This has been muck you with myfriend, Brian Bengs. I'm David Wheeler
and again, thank you forjoining us, Brian.
Thank you so much for havingme. Thank you to all your listeners
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as well.
Okay, that's it for muck youfor now and as we always sign off,
Muck you.
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