Songs Of The Revolution by Diane Taraz with guest Anthony Winegar

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Hello and welcome to Music Rewine, a podcast where we look to tell the stories behind our favorite albums.
I'm your host Steve Epley and in each episode we invite a guest on to tell us about their favorite music album.
How they discovered it and what makes it special to them.
Joining me tonight is amateur historian, video creator and family friend Anthony Winegar.
Anthony is the creator of the DearSkin Diary, a YouTube channel that helps bring history alive through his fantastically detailed videos about life in the 16 and 1700s.

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Welcome Anthony and thank you for being on the show.
Thank you Steve, I appreciate it.
So before we begin I'd like to point out that this is Music Rewind's first in-person interview. So I've got a new audio setup. If there's any change in my audio quality, I apologize ahead of time but we'll do the best to keep the same standard. But this is going to be fun.
On that note, Anthony brought something special here to set the mood for his particular album. What are we doing here?

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That's right Steve and the great tradition of our gatherings. I've got a couple of different beers now. These came from Mount Vernon.
At bottom when I was up in Mount Vernon earlier this summer and they are American early American or 18th century style beers. There's two.
They're called Rules of Civility which was a work by George Washington himself.

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And you've got the Spiced Wheat Ale there I believe this is the English style better take whichever one you want but they were made by beer historians in conjunction with Mount Vernon.
And they do definitely have a unique flavor to them. There's not too many 18th century beers out there that you can buy today.
This is really cool. Dynasty Brewing Company looks like.

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Yeah, very nice.
There's somewhere I think they're just outside Mount Vernon in Virginia there. So you get your choice sir. Would you like Spiced Wheat or English bitter?
That's a tough choice. I'm going to go with the English bitter. I'll take the the Tories side here.
English bitter it is. All right and I brought some mugs that are in the 18th century style.
Got this ceramic one that'll keep it a little colder for you. Then I've got my 10 beer mug here that it's got a little rust in the bottom.

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So that's something I'm used to. You may not be.
Cheers.
Yeah, all right. This is a great segue into the purpose of this episode. So we've had all sorts of album genres on this show rock, prog rock musicals, hip hop, metal, pop and even Elvis.
So this is going to be by far the most unique album we've ever covered.

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So to jump right into it, what album did you bring to the table and what makes it special to you?
So I brought songs of the revolution by Diane Teraz.

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And it's special to me because when I got into the 18th century, I'll say hobby and away, but into the 18th century history.
I became enamored with 18th century colonial American history and frontier history.
And I was in search of music that bring my head space into that a little bit more.
Actually, our several 18th century style albums out there, I think colonial Williamsburg has the Virginia company and they're great, but there was something about hers in particular.

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It's the songs themselves are slightly different.
They have a unique American spin to several of them and several of them are uniquely British as well.
So it shows a little bit of the interaction between both sides there and their music.
And there's something about her voice too. It's a feminine voice, right? It's a strong feminine voice as well.
And that really sang to me pardon the pun because that's how I think of America, right?

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It's this kind of strong female figure, lady America, the statue of Liberty, all those different kinds of things.
So it's just in totality brought it all to me.
And then I started researching the songs a little bit more and what they were and what they meant.
And that even drove the fascination deeper.
I loved this album a lot. It was really neat to get into and like you said dive into the history of each song.

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And I did like that it was songs from both sides of the conflict and that kind of starts out right at the beginning, but the going into songs of that era, I didn't know much at all.
Obviously, every kid knows Yankee Doodle, Dandy and that it probably stops there.
The TV show John Adams, did you ever watch that?
I was singing a song in a church in like episode one or two and that scene always fascinated me that these old guys, they were in their 30s at the time.

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White wigs, little white wigs, but they're singing this almost him.
And they all knew the words and they all the words were anti-British, but they all knew the words and it was really weird for me.
I had the chance to dive into that and then that song's on this album. I recognize it right away, but I didn't know it was called Chester.
So we'll get to that eventually, but it was really neat to like tie that into my knowledge of the era.

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And I'm not a historian by any means, but I will consider myself a history buff.
I've read several books, I've always been fascinated with the American history specifically, the works of David McCullough, Michael and Jeff, Jeff Shahara, five pronounce it his name wrong.
But he has two great books called Rise to Rebellion and the Glorious Cause.
Highly recommended if you ever read those, but that it also like these songs, they approach each topic from different points of view of the conflict.

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You'll have a British private at the Boston massacre, you'll have General Washington, you'll have members of Congress, you'll have General How, all that stuff and it's really fascinating and all that relates back to these tracks.
So really need to dive into.
Yeah, I will absolutely check those out. I know Jeff Shahara's killer angels.
That was Michael. That was Michael. Okay. That was his dad and he did just the one book and I don't know when he passed away, but then his son took up the style of the historical fiction.

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Based on letters and official writings and he did books on I think he wrote God's and generals. That's right. Yep.
And then the last full measure and other books about the Civil War, American Revolution, then World War one or two.
But that's way off topic, but I highly recommend those. And I think John Adams, the TV show was based off David McCullough's book, John Adams.

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That would make sense. The closest relationship I have to the TV show of John Adams is when they finished filming the show, they sold off a bunch of the props and everything else.
And a company here is a set of business out here in Atlanta actually bought a bunch of the stuff and there was a storefront that sold a lot of it off.

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And a friend of mine was over there and bought a bunch of it. He bought just that of this eclectic mix of original 18th century, like the ones of Toaster.
The 18th century Toaster was just picture this little metal piece that held two pieces of bread parallel to each other. And it was on a swivel and it had a long handle with feats.
You set it on the path in front of the fire and you could turn that swivel piece and it would in theory toast the bread evenly if you turned it properly.

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It's like replicas or was that this is an original stuff. Yeah, and then there were replicas as well handmade blacksmith stuff that they just had for background stuff on the sets.
And that his company sold it all off in bundle. And a friend of mine bought it. And earlier this summer, he said, hey, do you want some of this stuff?
And I went over to his house and I have now a garage full of useful things for one day when I have my own log cabin. And I have my own 18th century set built up. I've got all kinds of stuff to stock it with.

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So how did you discover this album? I got you come upon it.
Amazon, I believe. Yeah, I just typed in Amazon 18th century music. And this one popped up and I very quickly bought a dent.
The same is on our Apple music. Actually, now I don't remember. It was one of the two. It's very quickly bought it on Apple music and downloaded it.

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And there were songs that I liked right away, one in particular. And then there were songs that sort of grew on me over time. And then as I did more research, there are songs on here that just absolutely fascinated me.
They cover a lot of ground on the songs, whether it's just a basic working song to keep pace or even down to the, I'll say, risqué.

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Yeah, it's such music gets pretty body pretty fast.
Yeah, some of them take a turn like, because the third verse or the in you end, oh, just keep stacking each verse. And it's quite fascinating.
Remember, these were the same people that were used to listening, Joshter's tales and the Miller's tale and quite racy if you can understand the language of those.

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Yeah. And if you think about it in terms of popular culture, of course, for cheap thrills like that, the only other thing you had were drawings.
And it's not like you could go down to the bookstore and buy the magazine. So let's be in some cases you could, but music was very much a way for people to express.

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I think themselves back then in different ways. I know researching 18th century fishing off topic for music, but the early paintings that you see of people fishing almost always depict someone of a wealthier class with usually a male with a female.
On like a date or something like that, they're dressed to the nines and they're fishing as their past time and it shows fishing is being the sport of the rich.

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And there's a historical theory out there that people viewing these paintings and all we're viewing it as like an early version of ESPN.
Yeah. So that's how fishing may not be accessible in that scale with nice fishing equipment and stuff like that or even access to the waterways really.
And people were living vicariously through these paintings in the summer sport like mode. So it's interesting to me to think about what art, including music meant for them back then.

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And then you have to divvy that up into the different cultures as well.
Yeah. And class is something that is covered in these tunes. Yeah, the different expectations and perceptions of class.
I want to take one moment and mention the singer here, Diane Torres, how you say it? I don't know. Teraz is how I've always said it, but I don't know if that's right.
She's got several of these albums I saw and she's actually the director of the Lexington County Historical Society up there.

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Yeah, she's just outside of Boston, I think. Yeah. Yeah. I assume like Lexington and Concord Lexington. That's what yeah, my assumes that too.
That's by assumption with the company meant from Jonathan Gilbert. I've got here because there is a guy that sing a bit and play some extra instruments.
But as you said earlier, she's got a beautiful voice and it really hits the melodies well.

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And I actually came upon a YouTube video of her doing a zoom session with someone like a training session for education purposes.
And she was singing some of these songs. She had a little loop style acoustic guitar.
She was in colonial garb as well, and which flows out there. Anthony is dressed up in colonial garb to suit the mood.
I feel the part tonight. Yeah. And to seek that out, really need to see her play these. And she has a real passion for this very specific subset of history with the music and how it affects how people view it.

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I feel like she of all the artists of 18th century music that I've listened to. She also bridges the gap well between the 21st century musical tastes and the 18th century actual music.
Not to say that she does anything different with the 18th century songs to make it more modern.
But there's just something about her style and her to me that made it. It was a good album to get my ears accustomed to what music was like then.

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There's one song that we'll get to in the tracks that I actually put in my notes that this could be a cranberry song.
I could totally see Irish Dolores Reardon singing this song in a very atmospheric Irish haunting way. I could totally hear it.
Yeah, I can't wait to hear which one that is. I think I know, but yeah.
How do you listen to the album when you want to put it on? Do you go straight through? Do you bounce around? Walk me through the tracks. How you listen to it.

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So I usually put it on shuffle. And that's just so that I don't get accustomed to it never becomes mundane that way.
Because each song has a slightly different meaning for me. I know that when I first really, I guess discovered my affinity for the album.
I was driving of all places going to Whole Foods to get to get food to go to a living history. And part of my process of being interested in history and especially living history, making the clothing, making the equipment, researching it, going out and using it.

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And some capacity that they would have then just to get that experience part of that is going down the rabbit hole of food preparation.
What's authentic? What's not? What ingredients are still available that are authentic or close?
So part of me getting into food preparation is a big part of that.
Going to Whole Foods and putting in this music to get myself more as much as I can, driving along Barrett Parkway, getting myself into the 18th century mentality.

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And so that's when it really hit me. And the first song that hit me pretty pleasantly was "Over the Hills" in far away.
"Over the Hills" in "Over the Main" to "Flanders, Portugal and Spain" the King and Command and we obey. "Over the Hills" in far away.

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And I've known the melody from historical music for a long time. It's actually used in several "Fifened Drums" scores from not just the Revolutionary War but also the American Civil War.
So the melody itself was something that my ears were accustomed to hearing but I never really paid attention to the words. And that particular song is... there's actually a love song in the 18th century.

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But the version on the album is from a play and it is a song basically where a British soldier is out getting people to enlist in the British Army and he's telling them, "Hey, this is how you get away from your life here."
Apprentice Tom may now refuse to wipe his scoundrel master's shoes.
It's a shady recruiter kind of thing.

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Come to glory but without any of the realistic details of war.
Right, exactly. Exactly. A true recruiting song if you will.
And for those out there listening, it is not in any way shape or form connected to the live Zeppelin song.
No. Just putting that out there.
Exactly. I discovered that too and often wondered. I don't know who from "Lead Zeppelin" wrote their version of the song, whether it was Bonham or...

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I think they took theirs from the Welsh countryside's Limericks.
I think it's similar but completely different melody, completely different lyrics and purpose.
Gotcha. OK. A short time after that going to the actual living history event.
And most of the stuff that I do is in the western part of Virginia, the very far western corner of Virginia.

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On the Virginia side of the Cumberland Gap, driving up through the hills, it's a beautiful drive up there.
And then playing this album was my way, you're still is my way of getting me out of the 21st century mentality
and starting to immerse myself into what I'm about to go do.
I could totally see that. I was listening to this driving to downtown Atlanta, going to the office.

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I listened intently but it does not have the feel of driving into the Appalachia Mountains and getting into that vibe.
Yeah. There's something definitely different about the scenery and knowing what I'm going to go do.
And traditionally too, part of it is to keep some of the modern songs out of my head all weekend.
If I'm going to have a song stuck in my head, I want it to be one of these.

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I want it to be something that again keeps me in that moment as much as I can because there's always something to take you out of.
An airplane flies overhead, a truck and the Jake break driving down the highway.
There's always something that kind of brings you back into reality that you have to filter out when the song's not one of them is that much better.
Fair enough. Yeah. I could totally see that.
And after that, it's just, it's been my go to my go back to there are some others that I like to listen to from other artists.

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I mentioned before the Virginia company from Colonial Williamsburg.
They have a really cool album out that they've recorded in one of the taverns in Williamsburg.
And so you get the sense of what it's of what music sung in a tavern would have sounded like the hollow echo.
And then you've got the rasping of the tin cups on the table for applause when it's over.

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Would they have a guy in the corner like you would today with a acoustic guitar playing some of these songs?
Is that how they were saying back then or like how did everybody learn these lyrics and hear these songs?
That's a very good question.
So let's talk first about the fact that what we're dealing with right now is mostly European Euro-American music.

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Right, because the colonial America and especially the far that you got out on the frontier, it was truly a melting pot where you had indigenous populations in different tribes.
Right, in the Cherokee, to the Shawnee, to the Muscogee Creek, to the Urquay and many others. Right. And they're all very different.
They may have similar ancestral backgrounds and things like that, but they're unique and different.

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And their music is unique and different. It's very connected to the land. So let me start by saying that without going too far down any tangents, I think it's probably important for me to say now that my view of history is this.
All human history is a combination of cultures and landscapes. Right. So cultures interacting with cultures and the cultures interact with those landscapes.

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So both of those things get a vote on how a culture evolves. And all of those cultures are sharing things with one another.
They're sharing what works, what doesn't work, goods, services, all this, but music being one of them.
And so you get these different influences coming in. And it must have been very strange for Euro-Americans especially, but you could say the same for Afro-Americans and Afro-Caribians.

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That are now in this new world and here are these indigenous populations and you're listening to their music and trying to make heads or tails of what it is.
What does it mean? What are the, and so then you have to look at it from the native perspective and that a lot of their music, the predominant instrument is the voice.
And voice intonation, the words that may not be recognized in the purpose for the music.

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So a lot of the music that's on the album that we're talking about is political in nature, very similar to an episode on American Idiot.
And that's a politice of art, probably to influence people one way or the other.
And native music didn't have that. That wasn't really a purpose across multiple native cultures.

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Politicization wasn't a thing. It was more communication in a spiritual sense or communication in a, hey, this is what we're about to do as a collective group sort of sense.
And it's very connected to the land. I think one of the coolest things that, in my knowledge of the Cherokee language is very shallow, but one of the cool things about like the Cherokee language particularly is the word for Bob White quail is go quay.

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Which imitates the sound of the Bob White quail. So that to me in a musical sense shows kind of the connection between from indigenous populations, they're that connected to the landscape.
So that's a direct, in my view, that is a direct way to show that the landscape is influencing language culture and music.

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So now picture yourself being from Europe and from England, for example, and hearing all these tavern songs and now you're hearing that.
And what does that mean? And anyway, so that's one type of music that's being sung.
I believe it's the first book that's published in the colonies was a hymnol.
And so within Euro American music, you have music that's being sung for different purposes. You have the hymns from the various religions, which is how a lot of people learned melodies, which you mentioned before.

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It's a song that you had heard and when you heard it on the album, you had heard it.
Yeah, and to touch on that particular track, Chester, that's a William's, William Billings one. One of it. That's one of America's first known composers.
Let tyrants shake their iron rod and the slavery clank for a galling chains.

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We fear them not, we trust in God, New England God forever.
It was obviously very much a church song. It was made to be sung by a group of people in a hymn style format. But then the lyrics are complete off that topic.

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Why it's called Chester, I have no idea. But it's it's the gospel hymn and they're even name dropping British commanders in the song.
It was first, the first version of Chester was written in 1770 in a song book. And so it is actually a religious song. And the lyrics are changed.

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It's Chester because so many of those hymns at the time were named for locations. So I believe it's Chester, maybe Chester Field. No, exactly.
But colonial New England is the hotbed of revolutionary thought.
What I think of William Billings, the composer, I think of the song, the Africa one, which has nothing to do with Africa. So that could be his style.

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Yeah. But what you touched on the second ago is how people traditionally learned music. And that is to go back to the 18th century again.
And before there weren't a lot of professional musicians. We know the professional modes are Beethoven. We know a lot of the professional musicians that knew how to write music and compose and blend music together.

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Most of the population had no concept of that. And we're education is nowhere near what it is now. And so music education was something that you would have learned at home or in seminary if you were in a religious capacity or something like that.
And so most music is handed down lyrically based on melodies that you already know. One of the more famous ones that we would probably think of now. It's a little bit past the 18th century is the Starspengal banner, which is taken from a, I think is British to an accray on in heaven.

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And everyone knew to an accray on in heaven and interestingly enough, the theory is though that Francis Scott keys, Starspengal banner, people speculate that it's supposed to be sung to an accray on in heaven because he had published a prior song that was confirmed to the melody of to an accray on in heaven.
And so the book looked at Starspengal banner, this fits the rhyming scheme, this fits everything else. So maybe this is also supposed to be to an accray on in heaven, but no one really knew and he never really confirmed. So we just call went with it.

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The modern term to get around the copyright violations of that is interpolating. So you'll hear a modern pop song, which is obviously like a kiss song or a zepalm song.
It's not a, it wasn't a cover. It wasn't a copy or a plagiarism. We were just interpolating it. Interpolating. I know weird Al makes all of his money based on parodies because it is not.

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Parody is fair use. Okay. Yeah. That's an obvious fair use, especially if you get permission. But the modern pop songs were like, man, I know that's a car song from the 80s.
If you look, they don't give any credit to weird Al gives credit. Yeah, all the original writers, but the lot of modern pop artists don't give any writing credits because they'll claim interpolation.
Interpolation. I'm going to claim interpolation at some point in my life here now that I know that word. You almost almost have. It's a bunch of B.S.

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Going back to the musical. So people could write music and they were oftentimes handed out in what's called for these like single sheets of paper that had musical lyrics and it would they might even say a sing this to the tune of this song.
And so it's a tremendously efficient way to get new songs out. And it's more organized in traditional ways, which were handed down through oral tradition.

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I knew that several of these were based on my reading were pulled from British plays and operas too. So that's where the like in the US and the 40s, a lot of the pop songs were coming from Rogers and Hammerstein and stuff from the musical.
So that makes complete sense. That's how people were hearing music. If that's where the instruments were and if that's where the vocal musical talent were, that makes sense.

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And those operas were actually they had a name they were ballad operas and ballad operas were unique in that remember prior to ballad operas were again Beethoven Mozart.
You went to an opera and there was professionally made music. Ballad operas made their money and the appealing to the the lesser population, if you will, or the majority of the population.

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Because the ballad opera singers were singing lyrics written by the opera writer, but to tunes that they all knew.
And I think one of them is the beggars opera. I think it was either the beggars opera or flora, which flora was one.
So there's there are several songs like you mentioned on the album that came from those ballad operas. And I think it was the beggars opera, which was in 1728.

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There were over 21 songs in that opera, that ballad opera, and they were all sung to tunes that people already knew.
So youths the season is a song.
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Off of that one and I got in my notes here the beggars opera 1728 by playwright John Gay, which was the inspiration for the three penny opera, which is where Mac the knife came from.
Okay, that's neat.
Yeah, and I see that I got my numbers wrong. It was 60 full tunes in that one in a beggars opera. And so 60 songs in the opera that people would have known, or if they didn't know, they would have known when they left the beggars opera.

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Yeah, I do want to touch on one or two tracks that I highlighted with. It's like one of the original diss tracks.
So you've got a song called The British Grenadiers, which is great. It's a marching song, but it's a Go Fight Gangho for The British Grenadiers type of thing.
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But then after that you've got Free America, which is to the same beat and tune, but it's obviously about American independence and the fight for freedom.
Off the bat, it's just a gut punch to The British. I love that.
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And fight and shout and shout and fight for free America.
Yeah, are you familiar with that particular song's writer and not specifically? No, let me see here.
I'm going to go back to my notes. There's a lot of stuff in this head of mine. Yeah, so Free America's British Grenadiers, it's a drum and five tune typically.
So it's a very popular British marching song. Again, it's pervasive all the way into the American Civil War.

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And so a lot of people knew the tune itself. They would have recognized a very distinct, very distinct melody.
So in 17's Dr. Joseph Warren, who was, he was a physician, and he was one of the most outspoken patriots in New England at the time, and he wrote the song Free America.

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And he set them like we were talking about a few minutes ago to The tune of British Grenadiers because people would have known what it is. Now Dr. Joseph Warren is interesting because within the span of 10 years he gets married has I think four children is an ardent and fervent patriot for the American cause.
He actually is the person that sent Paul Revere on his ride. Oh, really? Yeah. And everybody thinks Paul Revere is riding through the two townships saying the British are coming.

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There's four people. Yeah, he was telling people who had warrants like, hey man, if you got warrants now it's time to go down your basement.
British coming to execute those things, but the traditional stories a lot better. And anyway, he winds up dying on Bunker Hill.
Yeah. So within the span of 10 years, he lives the full Patriot life where you know he gets married has children is this ardent and fervent patriot.

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Since Paul Revere on his ride to warn John Adams actually and John Hancock were two of the people to go warn that Paul Revere was charged with going to warn.
And then he winds up fighting and dying on Bunker Hill.
Then from a timeline perspective, this song was written and for lack of a better word published before independence was even declared on Creole is quite early.

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Obviously, after Lexington and Concord, but it's before there's before General Washington is declared the commander and so that this song came early.
This song reveals the 1770 I think in this particular song reveals a lot about what people were thinking.
Yeah. Yeah. It's such the stage. I think now we all we think about that whole revolutionary period is a very short time period, but in reality it's.

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It takes a while it's bubbling below the surface and then it's through things like music and Dr. Warren's song that people are starting to pick up on the cause.
If you say 1770 that obviously six years before the declaration, people had the identity of America in Americans that much earlier.
And that is you're starting to see that specifically in several places. So the young ladies in town, which is the second track on the album.

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Young ladies in town and those that live round where none but your own country linen of economy boast let your pride be the most to show close of your own making spin in.
Earlier, known I think is 1716 and it's mentioning where home spun linen right so the colonies are still very dependent upon British trade goods British goods being brought over and they're trying to establish some degree of economic independence prior to political independence.

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Yeah, it's basically a by made in the USA. Yeah, early. Yeah. I think there was a lyric in there. Something along lines of love your country more than your fashion.
Yep. Yeah, stuck out to me home spun linen the shirt I'm wearing right now actually is is what's considered a home spun linen. It's a natural linen colored osna berg, which is a type of rough linen made for poor people's clothing a very utilitarian linen one of the most popular items.

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The second most popular item sold in a place called hooks store John hook ran a store outside of Richmond Virginia modern a Richmond Virginia now and most popular thing you sold was rum second most popular thing you sold was a lot of the burglin.
But young ladies in town also has an interesting part in it because it mentions two types of tea.
Bohe or Bohe and heisen tea Bohe was probably the most common excuse me not probably it was the most common tea in the colonies at the time it's a dark or black tea you can still buy it today it's typically smoked over a pine fire as a Chinese tea.

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And heisen tea I believe is a green tea but both of those were very common coming from the East India trade company into the colonies and Bohe tea was the tea that was dumped into the harbor during the Boston Tea Party.
And if you look at when the East India company sent or the tea that they were sending to the colonies was already old tea when it was dumped into the harbor so it's not just dumping the tea is a political statement it was crappy tea right like they were they didn't want to pay that much money for tea that was already old by the time that they got it.

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But what else is interesting about the tea component of that song is the lyrics mentioned Labrador tea now there were two types of what they would call Indian teas the colonies Labrador tea being the type of tea that would come from the northeast so think Canada main I'm sure upstate New York and it's a type of plant that the natives made tea from.

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The second type of tea is what was called Cassina by some it was called El Chocolat del Indio by the Spanish it was called Apalachina tea by the French and I don't remember what the British called it but it was Yopan Holly tea.
Yopan Holly is a plant that's native to the American South and down into Mexico it's one of the only if not the only American plants that is caffeinated it was a type of tea that was first introduced by the Cherokee the Muscogee Creek the Chokta they made a drink called the black drink.

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And it was probably a very strong version of Yopan Holly tea and it probably had some other things mixed in because they would use it for at times ritualistic vomiting so they would drink this Cassina or this Yopan Holly tea and it would make them throw up during a particular ritual and it became problematic for the East India tea company because the Europeans took it and of course drank a milder version of it now.

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That became problematic for Europeans especially the British because and the East India tea company because Europeans were introduced to this Cassina or Yopan Holly tea and they liked it and they started exporting it from the colonies to Europe which is how the French and the Spanish gave the tea the names that it did it became popular and that became problematic for the East India tea company.

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So as the story goes I don't know how accurate this is but as the story goes the East India tea company paid a botanist to examine and study Yopan Holly as this uniquely American plant and give it its Latin name which is elix vomatoria.
So yeah the story goes that the East India tea company paid off a botanist to make people think that Yopan Holly tea would make them throw up and they wouldn't buy it so they didn't have to export it anymore so Yopan Holly tea had a very short reign.

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So if you want to know like only in America Yopan Holly now as a plant you can buy it at Home Depot you can buy it at Pikes Nurseries you can see it outside of just about every denys and it's a very hardy plant that grows really well so it's used in landscaping especially commercial landscaping all over the place and it has secret little history that shows up in this young ladies in town along at some level when she's mentioning the Labrador or Indian tea.

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So it's fascinating and then to tie that into another track on here revolutionary tea which heavy on the metaphors mother being England daughter or child being America.
There was an old lady lived over the sea and she was an island queen her daughter lived off in a new country with an ocean of water between with an ocean of water between leads right up to the Boston Tea Party it's very specific in their words.

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This is one to me where Diane says the singer she really does the voices really well because she changes her voice for the mother which is representing England and for me when you look at political cartoons from the 18th century the person that's being made fun of was almost always portrayed as like this gigantic fat slovenly person and her voice even though you can't see what's in her head her voice makes me think of this like

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like giganticly overweight overbearing mother sitting on the she lays on the condescension quite well you you will do this text yeah yeah and I believe that one was anonymous.
All right so I don't think anyone truly knows to who that author really was and I think the earliest attribution to that song is around 1773.

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Yeah one song that I really loved on here was Johnny has gone for a soldier you probably already know what I'm going to say here but this is the one that I could totally see being a cranberry song.
I don't know what it is it starts out with this beautiful guitar she plays it just perfectly but it's a long love ballot about obviously a woman's soldier is going to war.

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Here I sit on buttermilk hill who can blame me cry my fill and every tear would turn a new.
Johnny has gone for a soldier.

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It feels very Irish I don't know if that's real or not it is gay look it is it yeah there's a look in the song actually.
Oh really yeah that's cool but just it I could totally see that being a not just the cranberry's but just a 90s female pop star with that type of little fair style of singing could totally turn that into it.
Yeah that's cool I never thought about it that way and I will never not think about it that way and all the right ways man the lore so Reardon's voice for those of us that grew up in the 90s and that whole scene her voice is just it's so haunting anyway it would be the perfect voice to do that.

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Yeah so Johnny has gone for a soldier obviously a military theme to the song but not a military song per se to me it reveals the what's left behind but the fact that she chose this for the album and the fact that it has gay look in it again to me reveals that that melting pot absolutely.

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So you still have people who are fluent gaelic speakers Scotland and Ireland and the different you dialects that are coming over here especially in the American South or the Appalachians were settled predominantly by Scottish and Northern English and so gaelic probably would not be completely unheard of on some level or at least maybe some heavy Scottish or Irish brooks.

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And the gaelic tune or the gaelic word that's in there is the word arune which is attributed to mean my treasure but that particular song is another one that people would have known at least the melody to but it seems to have remained mostly intact but like many songs like that it just had verses upon verses added to it over the years to touch on the more entertaining side of of these songs.

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Some of them have very deep meanings and they're heavy like Johnny has gone for a soldier but there's two in particular that I want to touch on that are a bit of a lighter.
Light at the first would be three drunken maidens.
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So let me know if I got the story down three girls go out on a bender like hangover style and they meet a girl on there and the so in the fourth girl joins them and then they pretty much just have their way with everything bar wise and then they stiff the guys with the bill in the end.

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Yeah, which is a theme so that's a very early version of the song that the Clancy brothers and Tommy McKem believe during the resurgence of Irish music in the 1960s they 1960s and 70s they did they wrote a song called Johnny Maccaldoux and Johnny Maccaldoux is basically this.
It is great name yeah yeah and the song actually that their version of song gets faster as the song goes on but it's the very same theme and I have to believe that there must have been some foundational Galic song that or English song that had this whole theory and I believe that three drunken maidens is actually a Scottish or Northern English song and that the

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fact that they mentioned them coming from the aisle of white and the aisle of white being known as this like place for cheap booze and debauchery in a way they're making fun of it so it tells me some of the regional conflicts that might still be occurring in England at least in music
quality are still occurring after these songs are making it over to the colonies are still popular in that manner yeah Johnny Maccaldoux is fun you can look it up it's the other one I want to mention is the game of cards it's just a simple game of cards you know that nothing to no metaphor here.

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She cut the cards first and I fell a deal and I don't reduce and myself the poor Jack she let over a some stole my job from me saying Jack is the card I like best in your back.
I couldn't believe what else here really the it's one of the cleaner ones to really be honest with you out there some because the metaphors were just slapping you over the head on this one with a guy walking down the road meets a girl he asked her very politely can I walk with you to town and then he

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says she's getting all frisky and then they want to play a game he's I got a game for you the game of force yeah was a line of Jack is the card I love best in your pack yeah that thing took a turn I had no idea was going to go and it ends with will play the game over and over again yeah so the body songs the 18th century this one like I said to me is one of the cleaner ones because it's suggestive your brain goes there and it wants to go there but it's not nearly is in your face is one of the other tunes from the

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18th century called the lusty young Smith and he talks about you basically hammering out the metal and believe one of the lines is after a time it grossed off to the forge in a minute or so in you in those in there and they
didn't even try in the high but the game of cards is yeah it's a good one because because it is subtle right and it it is but it's there and everybody knows what they're talking about but it's not it's what was it

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Maynard from tool was one of my favorite lines for many tools song what became of subtlety right 18th century still had it
apparently yeah the I can only imagine a teenager or whatever was the equivalent of a teenager back then
because obviously people grew up a lot quicker quicker than you got a 10 year all walk around singing that
sort of song the parents would say so there's another pretty cool song in there too and I realized it to me it

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rings home what today when you're working right moan the grass you put your earbuds in turn on songs and the task goes faster because the music obviously didn't have that back then they weren't people that like serenated you while you did your work or whatever so that was all stuff that you had to have in your head
and I think one of the coolest parts about the album is a very simple song called the bird song

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I said the black bird sitting on a chair once I courted a lady fair she proved fickle and turned her back and ever since then I'm dressed in black very old song predates the 18th century for sure
and it's probably another one of the songs that just has like verses that grow on it and grow on it and grow on it and it's fun because I found myself

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I memorized the song or thought I did and then when I would try to replay it in my head or hum it or whatever I realized that I could quickly easily get the verses mixed up and so it became a game in my head of making sure I got the verses correct the same way that I heard it and before I knew it the tasks that I was doing while I was playing the song in my head and trying to get the order right was going much more smoothly I didn't notice the work that I was doing

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because of it so I had this a-ha moment with the bird song that kind of like simple song to sing is the equivalent of putting your earbuds in and listening to music while you work
the melody of the bird song took me straight back to basic training because I had a drill sergeant that did a cadence to the bird song but it was through the you would name a military division

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and then the second line of that beat would be the description of that division and so it was in the repeat with another division it would it helped you learn the who the divisions of the military
oh wow the different brigades the different this is an army revision this is an infantry division that sort of thing so yeah that repeat and repeat and you can do it on indefinitely
what a cool thing I had never heard that I as soon as the birds on that just that bump out of my ears just that was that cadence

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huh that's cool I learned some a bump I don't yeah I learned that a lot I never heard again is that one dude where'd you go betting betting yeah huh no that's cool I never thought of that way but yeah at 100% that had nothing to do with birds
but because they're like this is the bird in the trees it's green and so are we just I don't know the words but that's the melody and here's the Raven cat in black if you know that

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sort of thing and that's how they did it is the unit with the big red patch so I would love to find that guy and figure out like was that something that he learned at basic
is that something that how far back does that go because there has to be a link somewhere there oh sure there he was a singer though every units got one yeah that guy
could I bet he was belting in church on the weekends he he had a voice did it help oh yeah he was the good cop okay yeah good cop back

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cop every platoon you know that's the there's a you mentioned before the British and the American perspective and the castle
island song is a really good one because it's firmly from the British perspective and it's firmly after the revolutionary war
grumbling has had begun I think they think it sounds like it's after the Boston massacre yeah where for whatever your opinions on that particular event

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maybe there is a truth in there for if you read about it and the British soldiers that were left in town were in danger yeah they had to
get out of dodge there you simple Bostonians I'd have you beware of your liberty tree I would have you take care for if we should chance to return to the town your houses and

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stores will come tumbling down dairy down down down dairy down music became their way of fighting back so one of the
things they do is they write this song amongst themselves as a proverbial middle finger to what had just happened right it's
expressed yeah yeah and yeah you can tell in the song for sure so they're very clear you simple Bostonians I'd have you be

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where your liberty tree I would have you take care for if you should chance to return to the we should chance to return to the town your houses
and stores will come tumbling down and then they add the dairy down which is it's whimsical means nothing but it's from a British
a popular British like nursery rhyme okay so they're interspersing the simplicity of the course of this nursery rhyme into these very heavy lyrics

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they talk about giving who was it John Hancock I think the hard pill setting him to the yarns yeah the yarns and then they say for the
doctor give him a hard pill a hard pills a bullet right that's slang for a musket ball I noticed the
pretty much the direct link to our to the third amendment as far as the according of soldiers yes and they'll say yeah we won't just

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stay in your homes will triple and quadruple up in your homes and you whether you like it or not there's a whole lot of the
constitution in that song and it's written from the British perspective to for anybody that's that's a Bostonian
in here they call the Bostonians pumpkins and that was British slang for Bostonians at the time because before Boston

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was being town it was known as like pumpkin town because of the amount of squash that Bostonians eight so pumpkins
was definitely a derogatory slang term that's what for Bostonians yeah I like the soldier will you marry me
just simply because of the twist at the end it's when you don't really see coming

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with your musket fight and drum oh how can I marry such a pretty girl is when I have no
to put on as I listen to this front to back I'd already gone through a game of cars and the other risk a
ones and in soldier will you marry me it's a duet so you got the other guy singing as well in this so the girl
sings hey soldier will you marry me he's how can I marry you I don't have a hat then off to the

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nursery we go and there's a couple verses of this I don't have any boots I don't have whatever and I was
expecting something quite risque at the end but instead you get how can I marry you have a wife and kids
oh yeah there's a there are several themes to interestingly enough to monogamy in 18th century music

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in the bird song it ends actually with the robin sit the worm I said the robin with a little squirm I wish
I had a great big worm I'd fly away and to my nest I have a wife I think is the best soldier soldier will you
marry me with your musket fight and drum oh how can I marry such a pretty girl is you with a wife and baby

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that cold and then you hear it again and another tune this not on this album called Spanish ladies
and there's a tune in there that basically says hey I'd marry you all but my wife won't agree so there's these
like wonderful little innuendos to monogamy and these songs that I find just absolutely fascinating and with that particular song

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with soldier will you marry me I have to wonder how old the song is because there's a call and answer component to it
yeah and call and answer music really was popular with Afro American and Afro Caribbean music I'm not saying that there's a correlation there
I don't know but I'm saying that there again this whole theme of call and answer and music like that

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in my estimation you can start to see some of the blending occurring with dials and yeah because of the 21 songs in here
they are largely new England maybe get into the appellate area but they are largely new England and or British origin
the deep south and beyond is not necessarily represented there at all

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no and I don't know to what extent there was that much music coming out of the deep south at the time that wasn't
I just don't know I think but for her you know I think it's interesting she chose 21 songs for the album
which I thought was pretty cool 21 guns salute kind of reference there oh yeah never thought of that
yeah and I would think that most of the musical choices she being a bostonian too probably doesn't

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hurt but I think most of the musical choices that she would have would be from the New England area
because that area was the hotbed of political activity
yeah being the curator of the lexington historical society or I'm sorry if I butchered her title but full credit to her
for putting together this group of songs very beautifully done wonderfully sung

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and I think it's a great snapshot of the era and feel that you get that colonial feel from these songs
anything any other tracks you want to touch on before we I get my favorite one yeah we've gotten to my favorite one
yeah which is the last song on the album and what's your favorite come here fellow serve
come here fellow servant and listen to me I'll show you how those of superior degree are only dependence no better than we and all in the

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it is actually like some of the others it's taken from a play that that play is called high life below the stairs
and the premise of the whole play was basically a master disguises himself as a servant to spy on his servants
and I don't think that actually you got undercover boss down to now yeah 100% undercover boss in the 17

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17 I think the song was written in 1759 I love the melody I love the words I love the kind of ruckus that the that the lyrics bring about to listeners
but from a cultural perspective it reveals how important clothing was then it's I'm going to go like completely random on you here

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but it's a fast and a topic to me because especially in colonial America clothing was something that could get you killed
right it's very different than today you have writers like Nicholas Cresswell he was an English explorer came over from England and was explored the Ohio country and stuff
and he's told hey you can't wear that type of shirt where we're going because the natives will kill you they'll basically think you're

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militia and you won't make it so he winds up adopting this quasi native garb and he winds up being able to freely move about the cab and if you will in these different territories
and clothing in the sense from the song was indicative of class right delivery yeah delivery the uniform and you can see the revolutionary undertones in this one too

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because the whole song is hey we're all serving some master we're just all wearing different clothes right but the clothing component of it in that song is very important because
that they're wearing clothing that that they're supposed to wear based upon their job and their job series and the class at which they live in
the flip side of that is when you have societies that are so regimented to what people are supposed to look like

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you provide opportunities for somebody to sneak into that class right and the play the master dresses up as the servant so he can spy on
but the same things going on in reverse people are trying to dress nicer in the sort of fake it till you make it
so if I can get nice clothes people might think I have more money than I do and it helps to elevate my social status

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and it's just a fascinating to me look at material culture and how people are reacting to it all in a really cool song that
but it reminds me another scene from John Adams where he's in England as the ambassador of the now United States to England
and they're making fun of him for his American dress not dress but his American wardrobe and they fight they then he two scenes later he's now wearing something more British

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to me it looks exactly the damn same I couldn't tell other than maybe it's a little shinier because it's new but it meant that much to them
that if you're going to be in this British court you need to dress more British we don't care if you are the new American ambassador
but it would meant a lot
yeah on the flip similarly but on the sort of opposite side of that when Benjamin Franklin goes to France as the ambassador to France

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he wears all American made clothing shoes breaches coat and he wears it it's actually a martin for I thought it was a Koon skin cap in the beginning
but it's a martin for a cap that looks like a Koon skin cap and the French love it so much they thought this was the coolest thing ever right he's playing the novelty role
yeah exactly he's everything about Franklin is exuding this Americanism this American independence or the idea of American independence

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and so they love it so much the French giving him a walking stick and the gold top of the walking stick is the martin for hat
that he was wearing when he was there so it came around full circle
so songs of the revolution was top your list what are three to five albums that would have been on your short list that you would have wanted to talk about

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nine points of roguery from the Virginia company and there are there's one that was recorded by the Smith Sony and I think in the 60s or 70s
and I think it's songs of the American revolution also or something very similar various artists on it
and then there's the one that it's from the Virginia company as well and I don't remember the name the title of the album

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but it was recorded in the taverns or one of the taverns at Williamsburg they're all available I purchased them all on Apple Music I believe
I'm glad these exist these are easily faded to history if someone doesn't take the time to record them save them
and glad this was Sony and did that but this is definitely the kind of thing that should be in Library of Congress if it's not already

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it's really cool that these exist yeah it's just something completely different and it's another way for me to experience history through another sense
I know we've had conversations about music in the past and what music can do for you and to you and how it can unlock things that you didn't really maybe know that you had

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or know that you felt and this is one of those things yeah that's very beautifully put hope that it is all in the in the Library of Congress
somewhere because it's all very uniquely American and it's all very early uniquely American this is America before we knew we were
Americans in some cases so we've hinted at it a lot tell us about the dear skin diary what is it and what do you do for living history

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so the dear skin diaries the YouTube channel that I started about a year and a half ago I had this theory still have this theory
it's not mine alone that YouTube is one of the most prolific educational platforms that a man kind of has ever seen right it's free it's available to the public
you don't even have to know how to read is my like remote control has a microphone button on it and I can just push the microphone button and say type

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I want to watch cat videos right and cat videos come up on YouTube so I don't even have to know how to read to utilize it effectively
and I thought I've always liked education I've always liked teaching but I've never wanted to do it for money I've never wanted to or to produce an item that I sell to someone and then see their disappointment when it didn't turn out like they wanted it to

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and then I so I just thought this is the first time in history where someone's tension span is what's really for sale and that is up to them if I can produce something that brings me joy
in this case 18th century colonial frontier history so it's a pretty specific niche kind of thing but what I do in the channel is I read about something typically and I go out and try to reproduce it

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so there's a twinge of bush crafting in there if you will there's there are components of history there's components of reenacting there's components I put out a video tonight as a matter of fact
on taking my two sons on what's called a trek which is like a 18th century backpacking trip and it's six years old we went off into the woods and no trail

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we're all colonial food colonial clothing and just a simple overnight trip and yeah I had to do it the hardest way possible
so just things like that's as part outdoor boys if you're familiar with their channel at all
but the whole purpose is what we talked about with the album is to make sure that these skills make sure that these potential commonalities but more importantly how they shaped into something how how to jerky become known as jerky this I've got an episode I'm getting ready to film on what's called hickory milk

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everybody's got hickory trees in their yard a lot of there's C.M. all over the place and they drop these gigantic hickory nuts and that was an indigenous food for thousands and thousands of years now it's something we collect or mo over with the lawnmower don't think about
and then that that very ancient food is introduced to your Americans through through native foods and then eventually you get Appalach and hickory syrup out of it

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so again these how are these things and hickory syrup something now if you go buy it on Amazon you spend a ton of 28 bucks for yeah it's very expensive because nobody makes it
but it's a very unique taste. I'm considered artisan now probably yeah yeah locally sourced artisan organic yeah so anyway that's the purpose of the channel is to bring some of this stuff back to life

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restore some of the old ways if you will and do it all in a historically authentic process as much as I can
so the on your videos your wardrobe your location your props for lack of better word how much of that is is like authentic and the actual source
a very good question because my OCD kicks in really strong with this stuff my clothing is as authentic as there's not a single machine

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stitch in anything and so I hand stitch a lot of the stuff some of the stuff that I'm not capable of doing on my own I have made for not a small amount of money in some cases
the deer skins for example that I use to make clothing or tanned and the traditional methods the deer brains so brain tan deer skins I've done some of that too there's actually a video on that

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deer brain tanning so I use pork brains now but you can deer brains your what was traditionally used yeah pork brains are easier to get you can buy them at the
yeah I'm in the freezer section at the local I did not know that yeah man just right in my suburban backyard too my neighbors love me
but again it's a traditional skill and it's the only way to get that particular material to to then turn him so if you make it with something else if you make an article of clothing with something else

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it's not the same thing it might look the same but to me and my ultra need for authenticity is what takes it from costume to replica clothing
now is there a I assume is quite a wide community of enthusiasts that do what you do as far as not necessarily YouTube I'm saying like the living history

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do you travel a lot to do that like up through New England or is that sickly a south or I stick to the south mostly as a matter of fact I stick almost exclusively to one place
it's wilderness road state park has a reconstructed 18th century fort known as Martin station that's there it's about four and a half hours away from here
so it's just far enough away to where you got to want to get there and of course obviously I wish it was closer but in some ways I'm glad it's not because I can't wear it out

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but the forts really cool because it was built in the early 2000s and the entire fort was built with period tools like they didn't necessarily cut the lumber from the site
obviously they had the lumber brought in but then the lumber was dumped in a staging area and then to bring it to the fort was done by oxen
really to cut the logs was done by act to split the shingles was done by a fro a tool called a fro and yeah I mean it doesn't get any closer

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and the state of Virginia gave the state park the ability to disregard the ADA when they built the fort they were able to build it to the specifications that the fort would have been built
so it's not like steel reinforced on the inside or anything like that
no there's no exit signs there's no the doors are not no everything is a trip hazard which makes it so awesome right

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and when you look around at this place the setting is beautiful right so it's eight miles from the cummerland gap where families are just especially poor families are parading into Kentucky
in the late 17 home but it's the backdrop is the cummerland mountain which is this huge lengthy mountain ridge line
and there's not a modern thing in sight when you get back to the fort area pretty strict rules of authenticity as well which is what I like

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so yeah it's a pain in the butt to have to walk back and forth to the truck when it's time to cook food that night or whatever because you I don't know I was bring the kids with me a lot
and say have to eat period food but we make things like bison roasts and bear roasts and stuff and where they're just again to try to hit us with a little bit more than 18th century history
a lot of people that are up there we sing one of the things that we like to do a lot is sit around a campfire and sing we have some pretty good singers not myself

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but we sing a lot of these songs that's cool yeah so you just look out in the darkness at this mountain chain and probably one of the coolest stories
I'll shut up after this but this past May had all three of my kids up there and my sons had already fallen asleep they they had a hard day
and with swords and everything else they were crashed my daughter was still outside the call the common house it's a log it's a two story structure

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the bottom of what is a kitchen the top is like a little hotel area from the 18th century has a couple of beds in it and stuff and people live there during these living histories
and we're sitting inside around a campfire sing in songs sing in some of these period songs my daughter comes in she says daddy come I her and take a look at this
like what is she talking about is dark outside look she see go outside instant northern lights oh really yeah 47 years I've never seen the northern lights always wanted to I finally see him at martin station in Virginia in May of this year and I got to see him

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because I'm going to assume a light pollution here very minimal that's yeah very minimal so as you can see the red and the green it's faint it's not obviously as strong as what I would have how I always pictured I would see them
but the fact that I got to see him with her at nine she gets to see something I waited almost 50 years to see I've never seen it
that's cool yeah let us know where you can find your stuff yeah so I'm on YouTube is predominantly where the information is shared the where the videos are I don't even honestly know how many videos I have out now pretty embarrassed I try to do on average of one and a half a month if I can this past few months has been a little challenging but now YouTube so the dear skin dot

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the dear skin diary is the name of the channel and it should come up pretty quick on YouTube and then I have a Facebook page and an Instagram page on the Facebook page I'll share some historical stuff things that I think are just cool I try to stay away from the
streamly obscure unless it's just something I think is also cool and obscure but on the Instagram page I could do a little better on the old insta there but I'm Instagram is not something that I'm quite that savvy and yet but the page is there and I always try to follow some pictures or something like that very cool so that's the dear skin diary head out the socials find them it's all

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there great videos love the detail of them and they're really cool I gotta say the same back to you know we talked about this and I'll say Steve that you are actually
inspirational for me getting off my butt and making something like the dear skin diary happened because I watched you start this musical podcast and we had several conversations in your kitchen over
years about music and stuff in general and I got to watch this thing grow and it became inspiration on I thought man it's doable I should just start and find my way and man I'm so happy that we got a chance to sit

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out and chat about this stuff appreciate that and thanks I'm glad you're able to get your channel off the ground and hopefully our channels grow exponentially together.
Yeah thanks Anthony it was a pleasure to sit and talk with you about songs of the revolution thanks Steve. Thank you for listening to this episode of Music Rewind and I'd like to ask your help if you are listening at the time of release there's a quick

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