Sister Wives S3 E9 - College-Bound Browns - My Sister Wives Podcast

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What does the nanny do? OK, so we're done.
Goodbye. You.
Shut it off. Do not twist my words.
Do not make me a victim. Sweetie.
Just look at the mountain. That's what you saw that day.
Just the knife in the kidneys over all these years and the
sacrifices that I made to love you.

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Season 3 Episode 9 College BoundBrowns So we get to go to Boston
in this episode, which we knew was going to happen.
The episode open Sentinels and it's kind of funny because one
of the first things we see is Kody on the phone with Meri and
he says, hey lover, how are you doing?
Hey lover, I was like, oh, love her.

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We hear about lover later in thefuture when they're like, oh,
what do you call each other? And Meri's like, oh, we don't
have a nickname for each other. And it's like, girl, come on.
But that's way in the future. Listen, if somebody called me
hey lover, I would be like, hey,you know, like, that's OK.
I like it well. They call each other Lover.
That's their like nickname for each other.
Is lover. I'm like, that's crazy.

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So it's funny that we've seen this a few Times Now in these
early seasons because later on when they're playing like a
family game, they're like Meri, what does Kody always call you?
And she's like, oh, I don't know.
And it's like, you bitch, you know?
Anyway, well, he probably stopped somewhere along.
A lot. Well, this is it.
She's like, well, yeah, like 14 years ago.

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Kody talks about packing up for trips and how he's, you know, in
four homes and it's very challenging for him.
He hates it. He hates it.
Janelle was super like, sweaty, trying to get packed.
I was like, did you notice this?Like the sweat on the upper lip
and stuff. I was like, oh goodness, girl,
it'll be OK, just calm down. She was stressed.

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She said I don't even know what the weather's going to be like.
And then they decided to Google it, I guess, or something like
that, you know? Yeah, we're at the.
Beginning stages of packing, I guess, yeah.
We are reminded that the four oldest teenagers are coming
with. We have Logan, who is 17, Leon
and Aspen who are 16, and Madison who is 15.

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So that's lovely. Kody reminds us that Danielle
has set up a panel discussion ather school in Boston.
So we kind of have that overview, which we are all well
aware of at this point. Maddie is excited to see some
big schools and same with Logan.They have some enthusiasm about
their upcoming trip. Maddie says she's excited for
She. Like, she feels like it's like,

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high class or something, Like, you know, and you kind of can
relate to that to an extent, right?
Like the things that you thoughtwere so great and cool as a
teenager, like. Oh, my God.
Yeah, to live that life. Well, this is it.
If I was 15 and my parents were like, we're going to Boston and
you're going to tour like Ivy League schools, I'd be like,

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whoa, this is so different from the life I live and have
expectations to live like crazy.I totally applied to schools in
Boston. What was the school that I
applied to there? That's where I wanted to go.
An art school. No, I'd have to go back and
figure this out, but that I did.That's where I wanted to go.

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You were very passionate about this school.
I did. It's what the hell could it have
been? I I'll have to figure this out
at some point because it's kind of like the ones in the movie,
like the Mona Lisa smile movie, that what was that?
College? There's been 10 things I hate
about you. Anyway, that's definitely where
I wanted to go. Oh, is it Juilliard?

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No, that's New York, and it's music.
That's music, OK. Was it maybe just Boston
College? Maybe I just wanted to go to
Boston College is probably what it was.
Honestly, I don't know. I don't know.
And who didn't happen as we know, but meant the world.
Here I am today and. Well, Logan says that it's worth

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getting out of school for two days.
That's another thing they get toget out of school to go on this
trip, so that's helpful. But he also says that he knows
he would never get into a college like the ones here, but
he is excited to see the grand stadiums of knowledge and
learning. Like this is how Logan speaks.
Like he's so excited about the nerdy shit that is totally his

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jam, which I understand. I get it, I feel for you.
Aspen says she's nervous. Mandy doesn't understand why the
parents seem so nervous because shouldn't they be a little bit
more well oiled about this or whatever?
I don't know if she provided anyrationale about that.
No, Janelle says she has butterflies.
She is. She's like, you know, they just

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all feel a little uneasy becauseit's unknown how they're going
to be received and treated. Right.
Yeah. I think the parents were
nervous. They, they said a little bit
about this, that it was partially because they didn't
want the kids to like be asked questions and like set up to,

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you know, like, oh, what could this be?
And but they, they were excited to have the kids as a part of
the panel because the proof, I think it was Janelle or Meri
said the proof is in the puddingor something along those lines.
Like we're nervous about what they'll ask the kids, but also
like we're not trying to like hide this because we're not
controlling what our children do.

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We're totally fine with our children going out there and
answering questions because we're not trying to control what
they do. But also they don't want them to
be like harped on or harassed orsomething along those lines.
Kind of it is the vibes I was getting.
I guess that's not all the wordsthey said, but.
A very reasonable It seems like any parent would feel like that,
regardless of what they were going to be doing in the same

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arena of knowledge. Wherever they're sharing these
tidbits in Boston, Kody's nervous about how he thinks
people may have there may be a sense of hostility with the
family because the the public tends to approach the subject in
from that lens. In his opinion, they think that

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their family is like Warren Jeffs and that they're not even
a part of that same group, and they're nothing like them.
But that is in the news right now, right?
So we are in 2011 when Warren Jeffs, there's articles
everywhere. He's finally been arrested after
what? That was there like a standoff

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or something crazy? Is that him or is that a
different guy? From yeah, that's a different
thing, but he's he was on America's.
Most wanted. The top ten and he ran.
I'm not sure for how long, but his community did keep him in
hiding quite well for a while and he was eventually arrested
in Utah. Tried, was found guilty, was
later overturned on a technicality.

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Texas is where another state where he was actually found or
something. So then they tried him in Texas,
where he was eventually found guilty of the crimes they
brought against him in Texas, and he is still in prison today.
Thank the Lord Jesus, yes. And that's all kind of current
event. So they are very much being tied
to the behavior of this man and they don't love that we are

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talking crazy. It was funny because on the
couch moment, that's when they were kind of talking about all
of this and was it Christine that said she was worried about
Kody and how he would? Because I think in general, it
was posed like, oh, we're not really worried about speaking.
And then Christine says or I worry about Kody speaking

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publicly. And then Kody's like, well, I
worry about Christine speaking publicly.
And then Christine, like Josh isthe otherwise like what?
None of you, you, you're just, you're just being nice.
You're not worried about what he's going to say.
You're a liar. And they're like, we're playing
good bad wife, bad wife, like it's a good thing.
Raise your hands if you think Kody's going to be scary when
he's speaking in public and Janelle raises her hand and so

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does Christine. And Robyn and Meri are like, no,
no, we would never. Yeah, that's what the crack was
like. Well, those are your good wives
because. Right.
They're like playing, whatever that is.
No. That was a funny moment.
I thought Christine says something like, I imagine seeing
an audience of feminists when they're talking about what to

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expect from their audience members at this speak.
Isn't that so funny that yes, feminists are terrible,
obviously. Well, these hairy legged
libbers. Don't look at my legs.
Anyway, Robyn says something about idiots and fools, like
they're all going to think that these women are idiots and fools

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because they have a husband who has multiple wives, right?
Yeah, she has like a list of reasons why people would judge
them. And I had to laugh because when
she was done listing them, I'm like, but these are all the
reasons that your shit doesn't actually work.
And so while you are here standing proud and being like,

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these are the things and they'renot terrible, cut to those are
all the reasons your family actually doesn't succeed.
So. Telling to an extent.
Very weird. Cut to Boston.
We're going to Boston. We're on the East Coast.
And I was thinking, Oh my gosh, are they going to an Embassy

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Suites? It was an Embassy Suites.
It totally was. Well, we'll get to this.
We'll get to this. I, I'm not sure my, I will see.
I was like, Oh my gosh. It looks like an embassy suite
has the open atrium. And the living rooms were
totally Embassy Suite or the therooms there was like a living
room divided by the bathroom anda little kitchenette and then

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the private bedroom. I'm telling you it's.
Yeah, yes. So they're getting 4 rooms on
one floor, which is great. It's easy for Kody, easier than
his everyday life because he just gets to go down the hall.
And you know, that is an interesting thing to think about
having to share hotel rooms whenyou're at a hotel, having to in
quotes, Of course, he is their husband.

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So this is very reasonable. He collects room keys from each
of his wives. He goes door to door and knocks
and says, can I get a key? And then he writes the room
numbers on each key with a letter.
He has a system. One of the examples is M22.
So Meri is in room whatever floor 22.

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So we know that this is where mysleuthing skills, well, my
ability to see, helped. Oh, I didn't look at the key
cards. Shit.
He puts the key cards down and it's DoubleTree by Hilton.
You're right, you're right. I didn't look at the key cards.
Now that's the only otherwise I would have thought it was
Embassy Suites for sure, but thekey cards said another story.

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They didn't have chocolate chip cookies though.
When I stayed at the DoubleTree,I got chocolate.
Chip well, we didn't see them atcheck in.
Yeah, well, I just feel like I was robbed by that experience.
I hate their cookies, by the way.
Everybody says they love them. I hate those cookies.
Oh, I really enjoyed them. It's.
Terrible. And they fucked up our keys when
I stayed there with my brother. So they kept giving us cookies
because we had to go down to thedesk like more than once to

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solve issues. And they kept giving cookies
every time. And I was like, Oh my God, my
brother's like, you're going to make yourself sick eating these
fucking cookies. I mean, I'll eat them, but
they're not the best anyway. That is funny.
That is funny, yes. I thought the same thing also
because one time when I was stranded after a flight that

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didn't take off, we, I think we were in Chicago or something.
And it was, now that you say it,it might have been a DoubleTree
that we stayed at, but it was exact same vibes as this and
felt very Embassy, felt very Embassy Suites.
Yeah. It is.
If that was the time you were stranded in Chicago because you
were flying United, yes, it was.And I would just like to point

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that out for the record. Yes, it was.
It was. And they kept issuing US
boarding passes to get us out oftheir faces and the boarding
passes when we would get to saidgate the next day for said
flight. They were like these do not
exist. These do not exist and they
literally just passed the buck like they oversold the flight.
They gave us boarding passes. We returned to the airport the

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next day and they were like these aren't valid.
You're fucking people printed them for us yesterday to get us
out of their faces and now you're telling me this doesn't
exist? What?
That was the worst trip ever. And I have conspiracies about
United flights and I'm not sure that I should share them, but
all the bad things always happenon United flights and they're no

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Delta, so. But you know what, United, if
you want us to be a sponsor, we could speak differently.
If you want us to be a sponsor, you always say it that way.
Do you remember Chris? Do we have any sponsors?
Nope. Oops.
OK, moving out. United is definitely not
sponsoring us at this point. Now the Brown family heads to
the lobby to meet Danielle. Danielle's down in the lobby, so

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exciting, and she's there with some of her students, including
George and Anya. Now, George is obviously a gay
male, Bing Bing Bing, obviously a gay male Bing Bing Bing.
Anya is some girl, whatever. These are the students, and
there's other students, but those are the two that we should
care about. Yes, Logan really likes

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Danielle. Logan had some enthusiasm about
Danielle and shares his thoughtsabout her on the couch with the
other kids. Logan thinks Danielle is a
really, really smart person. She's also a lot like Chris.
She she's smart, but like Christine.
That's what he says. Smart, but like Christine all in

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one. And everybody was like, was it
Aspen that was like, was that a dig to my mom?
Yeah, yeah. He's like, well, no, I just
meant do you know? Yep.
And it's like sometimes the truth just comes out.
She was. She's smart and kind of like
Christine. It was so because I actually
think he was being complimentaryto Christine.

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I don't think that was meant really negatively, but and also,
I mean, I think we can say it's fair what he said.
You like, I don't. It's OK.
So yes, but Aspen was offended Any who's.
Well, Danielle is a college professor.
Christine, remember when she wasan academic advisor?

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And I was like, what? And you were like, no, it was
like for Sunday school, like, Ohyeah, that's right.
Her advice? Her, her advisory skills were
get educated, Yeah. Don't let them tell you the
world's coming to an end. You go to college.
Like Oh my gosh, cult cult cult.Janelle said she had like a
perception of what these collegekids were going to be like and

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and that they were all like nerds.
Yeah, right. She said that she had a
stereotype of them. Which I love that.
She is the word stereotype. Yes, yeah, yes.
But they're just kids like theirs, you know, They're just
kids. And she she was really happy to
find out that they were just kids.
Well, she says that she imaginesthat they would look like her,

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that if she had taken that path,that she would be one of them.
Like she's, you know, she would have gone to school in that kind
of manner if she could have. Like she thought that she would
be one of those geeks or nerds or whatever.
Nerds. Whatever we're calling them.
Now, are they? They're at dinner at this point,
right? They're all around the table
eating dinner, and they're just kind of having these, like,

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summer sidebar conversations. Summer, though, a lot of it was
whole table together. It kind of seemed right.
And one of the questions was asked, now, who asked the
question? Was it George Michael Murphy.
George. Murphy, George.
Michael, yes. No, I don't think it was George

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Michael. I think it was just a random
student, one of the nondescript girls who probably got a like a
name but. Right.
Doesn't matter. And asked about how do you feel
about alternative lifestyles right so your lifestyle is
considered alternative to many how do you feel about other

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alternative lifestyles being gaybeing.
Polyamorous. Polyamorous being whatever, like
all of these different situations in which you could
find yourself living a life, do you judge?
That basically was the question,right?
And ultimately, everybody was kind of like, I don't know, it

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would seem silly for me to judgehow anybody else wants to live
their life if that's how I want to live my life, right?
One of the things that Christinesays is what I generally end up
defaulting to, which is consenting adults should be able
to do what they want to do. And I definitely agree with
that. If you're not harming others and
both people, all three people, all seven people are signed up

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and they are like, yes, then that sounds great.
Agreed. And I think that's where some of
this gets icky when we think of some of the other levels of like
the Warren Jeffs, Ness and whatnot, that that is not a
choice in which we believe it's OK because that is taking choice
away from other people that are not capable of making an
educated, informed choice and actually standing up for what is

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right or wrong or OK for them ornot.
That is total sidebar. But aside from that, any other
way that consenting adults deemed that they want to live
their lives? What the Browns are saying in
this moment, and I do actually believe from them, I I don't

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have we gotten instances in which we've seen this.
I think we've given them credit for this years before too, or in
seasons past as well. It's like they actually don't.
They really just want to be ableto live their lives the way that
they want to. And so they don't tell other
people that they shouldn't be able to live their life in that
manner either. It it does, actually, that seems

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to resonate pretty well throughout their beliefs, does
it not? Well, it's a consistent thing
that they say. It's a consistent thing that
they say. Do they live it in practice?
I don't know. Have we seen examples of them?
Not. No, I think that in the show in
particular, that's their narrative.

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Right is civil rights and whatever, and Kody has the like
libertarian bent of freedom and liberties are above all else.
So it does work for them in their messaging I think.
Well, I, I guess I don't, oh, it's tough to say, but I think
they actually, I think they're being genuine when they say it.

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And I actually don't think, I don't think they look at a gay
person and they're like, how could you possibly live your
life that way? I, I don't think they care about
how you live your life because Ithink they're like, look, they
don't understand why I live my life like this.
I don't feel the need to explainit to you.
I'm just going to do it because it's what I feel is right.

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I think to an extent and practice in that fashion.
They are open in a way that maybe other people with
stringent religious beliefs are not, I guess.
Agreed. Kody states again that he
believes in the choice of faith and of spouse.

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Like that is what their underlying thing is.
It's choice for everybody. This is where George Michael
tells. George Michael.
That he's gay, which I love. He's like I am gay.
He's like freedom. George Murphy.
Freedom. So he's got all the 90
supermodels behind him, and he'sliving out his Rockstar fantasy

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George Michael. And Logan says that he likes
George Michael for living authentically, which is so
great. And Leon agrees that, yeah,
George Michael's pretty cool. Well, and they all hated the
fact that George Murphy slash Michael would think that there
would ever be a moment in which he would assume that they

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wouldn't like him because that was his lifestyle and his
beliefs and how he wants to livehis life.
And they were like, Oh my gosh, the fact that he would think
that we wouldn't like him for that is so silly.
And I love that they look at it that innocently in a in a sense
they're like, we're not doing that.

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Like that's not what we're doing.
You know, I really do think theyjudge more on character to an
extent. I mean, I'm not saying they
internalize their own things. They should judge in the way
that they should. They aren't.
But they judge other people a little bit more on character
based than than just actions or beliefs.
I. Guess.
Well, not so much actions, but like dogs.

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But yeah, they're religious stringencies that are pointless
when they're talking about this and this kind of understanding
about approaching each other in that way.
I love it because it lands in this place where George Michael
Murphy is where George Mark. George Murphy, Michael.
George Michael Murphy points out.
And this is something I've always been like a little

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obsessed with and it hits me randomly.
The show has made it come up quite a bit actually.
For me is how, like, sis, straight people have a life and
everyone else has a lifestyle. And that is so true.
Like their religion, being queer, There's a lot of
parallels. There were like everyday life,
like when you go, you go to the doctor, you go to a clinic and

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it's all very heteronormative. Like are you a mom?
Are you a dad? Are you married?
Are you single? All these things are set up for
like straight married people. Well, sis, straight people,
that's what society is set up for.
And even if there's opportunities and openness and
although you see yourself in media and all that, it's like,
that's fine. But then you go to fill out a
form and it's basically built for like, are you married or are

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you not? Are you a man or are you a
woman? Do you have children or not?
Like it's very heteronormative says everything is based on
that. So I.
Know why? Do I feel like I'm giving them
props for being open minded or something?
I feel like there's a level of Ifeel like I'm giving them props
for like, well, they don't hate gay people in their religious,
so that's nice. And it's like, well, that's

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dumb. Well, you know, yeah.
But it's, yeah, it's, I think it's on a different level than
just like their religion. Like they're talking about a
shared experience of being an outsider, you know, like, I
don't know that it has anything to do with dogma or lack of
dogma. It's like, just cool to see
George Murphy, Michael at a table with these kids from a

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polygamist family being like, yeah, like, we're just always,
like, we don't ever. We're not ever part of it.
Like, we're always an outsider. And when you're welcomed in,
you're still the one that needs to be welcomed in.
Like, fundamentally on a fundamental, it's hard to even
explain. Like, oh, wow, you're letting me
in. Like, give me a fucking break.
Why are you in? Why am I out?
But I, I think that's the whole thing.
I, I feel like there's a level of graciousness I'm giving them

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that they're not behaving in that manner that maybe others
do. And that really shouldn't be a
level of graciousness that should just be like average
everyday acceptance. And I'm like, oh, they're
religious, but they, they don't hate the gays because the gays
are persecuted too, you know, like it's not fair.

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I don't know. I just, there's a level of
grossness about all of it, Although I do like the fact that
they were all, as you said, at that table and they that vibe
didn't happen. And that's really nice because
I'm sure in a lot of other scenarios it would have been
very uncomfortable and very terrible.
And it didn't happen that way for George Michael Murphy, so.

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Yes, I think the conversations would have been different if
they were interviewing Nicole and Andy from our last episode.
So as they're at this table, theadults continue to draw lines
between polygamy and other alternative.
I'm going to put alternative in quotes lifestyles, blah, blah,
blah. Meri clarifies that there are
there's no physical intimacy between the wives because they

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are asked about that. You know, the relationships like
OK, so there's a husband wife relationship, but now you have
multiple wives. So is there something special
between the wives? And they say, yes, there are
special relationships, but no, they are not physically
intimate, which love that that always has to come up.
They just kind of, well, I guesspart of it is the word intimacy,

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of course, always like alludes to the bedroom.
But I think that we all know that intimacy can be used in
kind of multiple ways, right? Like don't you think you can
have an intimate conversation, maybe intimacy and intimate or
different parallels? It's just because the Browns use
intimacy as a replacement for the word sex.
And they do. And it's not comfortable.

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But what really they're trying to get at is that yes, there are
deep relationships or there are whether they're deep in the way
you want them to be in like lovey dovey, or deep in the way
that it can be hurtful or deep in.
There's a lot of ways in which these relationships are still
things. Maybe not the way that they
would always love them to be, right?

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But there is an emotionalness toit.
There's quote, UN quote A sisterhood to it.
What's funny about that is that there can definitely be love and
hate in a sisterhood, right? And in any relationship ever.
So I think they try to acknowledge that without talking
about the negatives at all. I don't think they talk about

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like negatives really at all in this panel discussion that we
see actually. When the teens are being asked
about their potential futures, Leon says that they have heard
the calling to live as a plural wife in the future.
Even though, did you hear what Leon said though?
No, even though my frontal lobe isn't fully developed.

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Yes, I did, yeah. Was that a dig?
Well, was that a dig? I'm sure at this point Leon has
probably heard enough about the frontal lobe.
I think Leon was like, fuck you,Robyn.
I know I'm not an adult, but I'mnot a fucking idiot.
And don't talk to me about my frontal lobe.
Especially from Robyn. Is what I heard.

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And with some time spent with Robyn, I'm sure the eyes become
even more open, the clarity is even more clear, and it's like,
this woman is an idiot. So.
I feel like Leon was like fuck all the way off you stupid nasty
bitch. That is a less diplomatic way of
saying what I was saying, but yes, yes, agreed.

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Agreed. OK, that's fine.
After dinner, they decide that the teens should get ice cream
with some of the students, and some of the other students will
stay behind and ask the parents more questions, which is
wonderful. Danielle reassures the parents
that there would be good discussion and that the students
are lucky to be able to speak tothe family, and kind of tries to

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rest assured to them, You know, oh, everything's going to be
fine. Everything's going to be great.
And she just says people are curious, so they want to ask
questions like they're just curious.
They want to understand, you know, which is not inherently
bad, right? I, I think and even at the end
of the episode, they kind of button this up a little bit more

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so. But gosh, you know, wouldn't it
be nice if just people that whose lives we don't understand
for whatever reason because we haven't lived it, because I
can't put myself in everybody's shoes.
But if we could all just sit in a room and be like, hey, yeah,
tell me about it. What does that look like?
What does that mean? That's what Danielle is trying
to facilitate for these people. Danielle is like, you know what?
They're just curious. They just want to understand

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you. Let's just see what happens.
And she's just trying to. This is going to be OK.
Let's try to relate to one another.
Yeah, these are the kind of things that happen at colleges
where people go to further theireducation and.
Open their minds and their brains.
This is why some. People.
Lean extremely in political ways, don't want people educated

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and to go to places where these things happen.
And to understand we don't have to be the same, we can be
different, but we can also walk the same streets and live the
same lives and not actually givetwo shits about it as it turns.
Out, turns out. Leave each.
Other We don't have to have all our prejudices for no reason.
No, we can just you can shut up.I can shut up.
We can live about our days and we can be fine.

(28:49):
Yeah. Actually, one of the college
takeaways for me was along thoselines.
So Amen. Now the teenagers are at an ice
cream shop that had a clever name and I forgot what it is.
Something like I see licks a lot.
Oh, licks. It was like DB licks.
DB licks. Yeah, it was some licking.
Yeah. Oh, Robyn and her licking.
Oh season. 20 I know, and I almost wrote it down, but I did

(29:12):
it 'cause I'm still a little tormented by the licks of the
first episode of season 20 a little tormented and.
I like it. Lick PTSD.
Seriously. Those are words.
Yeah. Yeah.
Maddie doesn't want to live polygamy, which is wonderful.
Good for her. She has.
You know who would even want more than one husband?

(29:33):
Aspen. Likely not.
She wants an easier lifestyle. She sees what happens for her
parents and her mother in particular.
Aspen is the oldest. Aspen is.
Let's see, is this a polite way to say it?
She's half of a mother because Christine is her mom and
Christine has too many kids to manage.
And her household is whatever itis.

(29:55):
So Aspen is very parentified in that house.
Very, very much so. Cut to now Aspens like I'm not
going to do Sister Wives anymorebecause I need to live my life,
not yours. She's finally as an adult now
that she has had a kid, been like, I'm done with all of this.
I need to live my own life. And because she is like Aspen's

(30:15):
like salt of the earth kind of person, she doesn't come on
camera and complain about everything.
And you actually learn more as she gets older.
But really, I think this is the first, one of the first insights
into how she's like, no, I want an easier lifestyle.
Like she sees how much it is. It's too much and too much for
the women often times to take on.
And she sees how it affects the older children she's living in.

(30:38):
Now she has some pretty big feelings about it.
I think they gave a brush through about whether Logan did
or did not want to. And he was like, I mean, we'll
see. You know, whatever Leon thinks,
they do want to live plural marriage, right?
That is something that, you know, is still there.

(31:01):
Aspen's not 100%. She thinks it's going to be more
difficult, right? And so they kind of go through
with the kids talking about all of this, whether they do or
don't want to live plural marriage.
And then they discuss how their parents have never, you know,
said you should or shouldn't. However, I think it was Aspen

(31:21):
that said, you know, if if I wasto choose to live plural
marriage or or or sorry if I didnot choose to live plural
marriage and then something didn't work out for me.
She kind of thought that the parents would have like an I
told you so. Moment.
Right, like there was some it it, it wasn't in those words,

(31:43):
but it was something along the lines of, well, you tried the
normal life and that wasn't great.
So don't you think we probably should have just gone with, you
know what we did? And I don't know that that's
actually what their parents would say or do, but it was kind
of. It's an interesting take away.
And it was because it's like they are saying, no, our parents
will let us do whatever we want to do, which is it actually,

(32:03):
just as as any parent is truly right.
Like, yes, you're free to make your own choices.
And I hope they go well for you.And if they don't, well, I'll
still be here to support you. But there could be an element of
the, yeah, I told you so just behind us.
So. Told you I told you.
I told you. I told you some.
Any who's? All of the kids had positive

(32:23):
things to say about the students, which was nice when
they were wrapping up their bit.Like they were like, they seem
really cool and they seem nice and they seem well spoken and
they seem like they know what's going on.
Like they were almost looking atthem from my perspective as
like, yeah, I could totally do this.
Like I could live the student life.
Like these guys are thoughtful and funny and nice and they they
enjoyed their time with them. I think that they felt that they

(32:45):
could meld into normal people, not a part of their religion or
lifestyle successfully. And that had to be very, what's
the word, like confidence boosting to them?

(33:06):
Like, whoa, we just went to Boston and we talked to college
kids. We are the outsiders and they
didn't hate us and we answered their questions and we felt
comfortable and look, we can do anything.
Like there had to be some some level of that for these young
teenagers thinking like we are not these huge outsiders, which

(33:27):
I really liked. I really liked that they didn't
enter that situation and have people judging them and feel
shitty about it because that could have also been what
actually happened in certain scenarios, right?
These kids could have been beat the fuck up and that didn't
happen. It was really respectful for
them, which was nice. Yeah, I imagine putting myself

(33:50):
in the shoes of being 15/16/17, going to meet college students,
and I think there would be a very big part of me that would
be apprehensive. And I would be preparing myself
to be like railroaded or to be misunderstood or to be like, oh
God. So to have that not happen would
be reassuring on a whole nother level.
But also want to be accepted so much and want to be respected

(34:13):
and want to, if a question is asked of you, answer it well
enough that you didn't feel likeyou were an idiot.
You know, like that my biggest fear in life, you know, and
having these people talk to you in that way and then leaving it
feeling like it was all totally fine.

(34:35):
How nice for these kids. So this is just after the
dinner. They've gotten through the
dinner. We're not to the panel, We're
not to the talk yet. We're not to whatever.
But they're feeling good vibes Iguess so far in this experience.
Now we're on to the next morningwhere we're waking up in Boston.
We all got a great night's sleep, we're feeling hunky Dory,

(34:55):
and we're in Christine's room, just where I'd want to start my
day with Christine. I'm sure anyone who isn't a
morning person would love to spend their first half hour hour
of the day with Christine. Oh, just seems like wonderful
times. I would love to hear Christine
talk about her coffee, coffee a little bit longer, her coffee

(35:20):
and her her Havid and her whatever all these terrible
accents that she is doing. She is level 10, when you should
at most be a 5 and a. Half her teenage daughter's in
the room. She is saying, Oh yeah, like
she's making coffee because the coffee was terrible at preface
and coffee. She's using this Long Island

(35:40):
accent. It is not.
The closest it could be to Long Island is New Jersey.
It is not a Boston accent. And that's fine.
Whatever. If you asked me to do a box
Boston accent right now, I wouldfail.
But I also wouldn't be doing it like this.
And it's so cringe. Aspen is so annoyed when she's
leaving. She says, when your own daughter

(36:00):
doesn't even want to be around you and Christine, and she shuts
there and she leaves. And Christine's like chuckling,
chuckling. I'm so funny.
Look at me. And I'm just like, Oh my God,
Christine. Well that is just literally any
mother and a teenage child though.
Like I do this to my kid on a regular.
It is annoying. I would not want to start my day

(36:22):
with anybody like Christine ever.
But I totally like, it's just what you do.
You know that your teenager is like, I am going to die if I
have to hear one more word come out of your mouth.
And instead you say 10 more words because you're just like,
oopsie, sorry that was so painful for you, you know?
Well, it was a painful moment for me as well and I got through

(36:45):
it. Thank you everyone for your
support. I'm really.
Proud thanks for all the thoughts and prayers.
I did make it through a scene ofChristine.
So after Christine has ruined countless mornings after.
Christine, I'm going to start talking in the morning like that
to my child. Oh my God, I'm going to start.

(37:07):
Can you imagine? Don't.
No, don't. Don't.
Oh, if I could offer you any advice, it would be do not do
that. All right, fine.
Now the family is all going to go to Plymouth Plantation, which
is like an Old Town, settlers, areenactment of old times of the
17th century, the Pilgrims and The Pioneers and all of that.

(37:32):
So they're going to, you know, one of those places with old
buildings and people are all in their old clothes and whatever,
reenacting the good old times. Right.
So we are at Plymouth Plantationand according to Robyn, they've
been transported back in time. Of course, which?
Is really lovely Logan was like this was awesome he really

(37:53):
enjoyed this, which he called itan escape from reality.
That sounds accurate. Now I have been on like the road
trips and stuff where you stop through the old timey
neighborhoods and it is kind of a jam.
Like I get it now, I don't have any religious ties to any of
those things like they do, which, you know, clearly makes

(38:17):
an impact here in a moment. But it is kind of fun to look at
like the old school, you know, whatever hotels, buildings,
things that you find in some of these older places or whatever.
So I totally get the geeking outof it.
However, yes Kody is hyper focused on Elizabeth Holland

(38:39):
Holland OK and or Holland Holland Holland who is a
descendant of Joseph Smith Junior.
Oh, Joseph Smith. Now he is the Holy Grail, and,
you know, their, their religion.And.
And so Kody thinks he's walking on the holy ground.

(39:01):
Oh, yes, I'm talking to this fake character, Elizabeth
Holland in this old tiny town. Yeah, he's on holy ground.
I mean, just think about Joseph Smith and the ancestors and the
Pilgrims and all of their sacrifices.
It really is bringing Kody emotionally to his knees.

(39:23):
He's just feeling the spirit in these hollowed lands.
He knows the humongous sacrifice, the humongous
sacrifice that these these people have gone through for
their religion. When they they were.
They're part of that wave that discovered America.
And I'm using air quotes right now because yeah, yeah, OK.

(39:46):
They explained to us how the actors on the Plymouth
plantation are really living in the times, right?
So you can have conversations with them, but they are still
like back in the day. And so Christine tells one of
these women that, well, in our family, there are four wives and
one husband. And that actress woman?

(40:10):
Well, she says. So you're not Christians?
Yeah, yeah, very dramatic. And Christine was offended.
She said we are Christian and. Everybody said you were kind of
flippant, Christine. Yeah.
I was not flippant. Now I'm going to Google what
flippant means. You need to Google what it

(40:32):
means. So I think that they thought she
was being kind of like, ha ha, we are Christians, you know,
whatever. Like she's trying to make it
sound like she was so dramatic about like, no, we are.
And they're like, you were kind of flippant, like we're
Christians. He, he, he.
Yeah, I mean, flippant is not showing a serious or respectful
attitude. Yeah, I didn't understand their

(40:54):
use of the word. I I just, I don't know.
It was said so many times and asif it was some sort of big
dangerous thing. Like you were flippant and no, I
wasn't flippant. I'm like, what does it?
What are you even talking about?Like.
What I think Christine was trying to paint a picture in
which she pushed back upon them and saying you're not
Christians. And she was like, yes, we are.

(41:16):
When in reality, as they said, you're not Christians, then
she's like, well, yes, we are. We're Christians and the two
were not aligning. Yeah, seemed like Much Ado about
nothing to me, but whatever. More Christine drama.
My favorite part of their interaction with this actress to

(41:37):
begin with though, or this settler I should say, is when
she suggests that the women should be wearing hats due to
their delicate brains in the hotsun.
And men's brains are too hot already, so they don't need
hats. What?
I loved it. I loved it so much.

(41:57):
I was just like, oh, this is brilliant.
So the women need to. Wear women's delicate brains
and. They brains from the heat don't,
but men don't have to worry about it because they already
have hot brains. How nice it must be to be those
fucking men. Yeah, it's wonderful.
God. Kody tells us that Vegas is his

(42:19):
Plymouth Rock, which he has toldus before.
We are well aware that Vegas is his Plymouth Rock.
It connects him to those ancestors that were searching
for religious tolerance. Now he knows this is cliche, he
says. I know this is cliche.
Cliche. But it is sacred to him.
Very sacred. So on the couch moment, so there

(42:43):
is like black tie dye, there is dark floral, there is simple
like bright blue with black underneath.
And then there is something the the clothing that they are
wearing is so Janelle's she has on this blue number and it is,
you know, oversized as a lot of her clothing is, but it is just

(43:10):
there's a lot of oversized Ness and it's sinking into like just
places and things and whatever their clothing is distracting.
Kody has on again, kind of like a, it's not a pinstripe.
It's like a it's a linen shirt of sorts.
There is a a light orange stripemaybe, and then some brown ones

(43:34):
and whatever, not blue. It's a lot.
There's a lot. There is no cohesion whatsoever
with any of these styles and looks, and it did become
uncomfortable to look at. And it's funny that the clothing
comments aren't about the old tiny people in this village.

(43:54):
It's about current day, quote UNquote, current day.
Polygamists love it. Cut to Tufts University on the
East Coast. It's an East Coast school.
Oh my gosh, are they going to govisit Tufts with George Michael
and Anya Enya? Alyanya?
Do you know what her name is? Ena.

(44:17):
Ena. Hold on.
Please pause, listeners. Ava.
Enya. Anya Enya Enya.
Enya. Enya, Enya.
Let's go, Enya. So we've got George Michael.

(44:39):
Giving me the best days, hey? And Enya so.
Enya, we've lost it. So Enya is letting them know a
little bit more about Tufts University and says that only
20% of applicants are accepted. It is a pretty stringent process

(45:01):
to get into this school, of course.
Now 20%, that's one in five. That's not terrible.
Yeah. I mean, I don't think it's
really that low or high. I feel like that's like whatever
for a school of that stature. It's not like it's the school
down the street, so whatever. Now they do clarify, I think
Christine maybe kind of starts to talk about this, but they do

(45:21):
want their kids to go to school.So I guess this is a comforting
level of this cult for me is that they're not trying to
entirely shield them from the world, right?
The Browns, I should say. The Browns in this cult,
everybody else probably in this cult is trying to shield their

(45:43):
children from the reality of theworld.
The Browns, because they've gotten this television show, are
really letting them branch out, you know, and they do want their
kids to go to college and get aneducation and experience the
world. And I, I dig that, obviously.
I dig that for any parent and their child.

(46:04):
I think that they should want them to do all of those things.
I don't think probably most people in cults do that.
So they at least are working towards that with their kids,
right? Like, they do want them to get
an education and they're not trying to shield them from the
outside world in that sense. Yeah, the adults are saying

(46:27):
things along the lines of like, try to go to school before you
have adult situations set in. When you get out into the free
world and you're making money, it doesn't become easier to say
I'm not going to do this anymoreand I'm going to go to school.
Like, people make choices. They get married, they have
children, they do things that impede their ability to go to
school. And so the adults are leaning
more towards go to school right after high school.

(46:48):
Like just do it go. Which is so typical familiness,
but also like, if you don't knowwhat you want to do and your
only next plan is like go to college for what you know, like,
I guess yes, happy they want their kids to be educated.
But the fact that that just has to be like the next step before

(47:10):
you really sometimes know what you want to do just in any like
parent child relationship is like, oh gosh, it's so hard.
But you do know that the likeliness of them actually
going back to school at some point is probably slim to none.
So it's kind of. Yeah, definitely diminished
like. It's like a real life situation.
Yeah, it's, it's always odd. I mean, I find so I didn't go to

(47:32):
school to college till I was 22 I think.
So I took a few years off after high school and I'm glad that I
did because I wouldn't, I wasn'ttaking my education seriously at
that point. So I don't know, it would not
have been beneficial for me to go to college the year after
high school because I probably would have dropped out and like

(47:53):
just not been a participant in it.
So it would have been like, why did you do that?
Instead? I worked retail and odd jobs and
realized how terrible it is to be poor.
And then was like, oh, I need togo to college now that's an
interest. The reason that I'm sharing that
from my life experience is that also as a homosexual who was

(48:15):
like, I'm not living in the townI grew up in, like when I was a
young adult, I was not interested in doing things that
people use as their rationales for not going to school as far
as settling down, right. So like I, there was nothing in
in my periphery, there was nothing happening that was like,
oh, I'm going to get married andI'm going to have children and
I'm going to do these things that people say stop them from

(48:37):
going back to school. Like that wasn't happening.
I was just living my life. So it's pretty easy for me to go
back to school. I think a lot of people that
have more of these heteronormative lifestyles.
I'm going to say that with the yes, the CIS heteronormative
lifestyles, you know, get married, they get knocked up,
they have situations happen where then their their decisions
are not going to lean towards going to school as much as if

(48:59):
those things hadn't happened to them.
So I think I'm in the minority in that.
I you know, I went to college for a year.
I spent $10,000 on something that gained me nothing.
I then made more money bartending out of college than I
would have with the college degree for teaching that I would

(49:22):
have, you know, gotten years later.
And I thought, well, why do I need to go back to college?
And it worked out OK for me. I don't think I needed to go to
college to become an art teacher, You know, I mean, that
would have been fun, but it wouldn't have gotten me farther,
I don't think like financially in life, right?
I wouldn't be able to support myself in the way I can now had

(49:44):
I made such choices. But it's, I think there's the
and then I did go and do the getmarried and have the baby and do
the thing and the whatever, right?
So there's all of that that comes into it.
I, I just think that I'm happy that they as a polygamist

(50:06):
family, that sometimes as cults,you're not, you know, imploring
people to go explore the world. I think they're imploring their
kids to go explore the world currently right now with what is
happening now. I think that once COVID happens
in the real world, that very much changes how they want their

(50:29):
adult children to go and live their lives and all of these
things, right? But like in this moment, they
want their kids to have freedom and go out and experience
things. And I think great, like, good
job. I'm happy for you wanting that.
I I I just don't think it stays that way as the kids grow older
and actually have thoughts, feelings and opinions.

(50:53):
Their journey next brings them to the Harvard campus, or at
least on the outskirts. Of.
Campus. Looking at the Harvard campus
and George Michael lets us know that they accept 8% of their
applicants. So even more stringent.
Now, what I love about the 8% numbers because it's like how
many people know they're just not getting into Harvard, so
their applicant list has to be tight to begin with.

(51:16):
Like we're talking about probably the best of the best
and they only accept 8%. That's why Harvard has the
reputation it does. As it should.
PS By the way. Logan says that he got good
scores on his AC TS and his SA TS, which I believe are tests.
Chris, they are good job. Well I only went to a Community

(51:39):
College so I don't know anythingabout SA, TS and SAT.
Well, you have more degrees thanI do, Hun.
Well, you know, I never took an SAT or an ACT, but I know that
it's a test. I also think you're wrong.
I think you probably did, but that's OK.
Logan also says that it's too expensive to go to a school like

(52:00):
Tufts like that. The first school that they
looked at, which is the more reasonable one in their short
list of schools they're visiting, That it's, you know, a
big deal to go to a school like that.
It's a lot of work, it's a lot of money, it's a lot of things.
And Logan thinks like state universities or community
colleges are more in line for his future, which then they do.

(52:20):
Tell us a little bit more about their plans.
But he's keeping his expectations realistic about
what he sees for his future. It's nice to say, oh, I'd love
to go to Harvard or Tufts. But yeah, it's probably not
going to happen for me. And that's OK.
You know, this is where Janelle talks about the high cost of
school. And like how when she, she says,
well, if our kids want to go to school, they'll probably have to

(52:40):
do what I did, you know, workingand scholarships, whatever it
takes to get by. This is so funny because later
when we talk about schooling costs with Kody, he is adamant
against student loans, will not accept student loans, will not
cosign for his children, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
And it's like, dude, in the realworld today, if you don't have

(53:02):
some sort of economic package from your parents, you cannot
afford to go to school without student loans.
I mean, no, I don't know anyone.I don't know anyone who works
and pays for their tuition at the same time and doesn't have
any loans. I don't know anyone.
Everyone I know has student loans or is gifted money.
I don't get it, but that's a future discussion.

(53:24):
And well, also in today's world,the things that are out there to
even assist you barely exist. So we were fortunate to.
Yeah, I love the term scholarships.
There are some scholarships thatwill do like full ride.
Like if you're an athlete, 9 outof 10 scholarships are like not
a lot of money. They're just not well.

(53:45):
No, they're scholarships, but there used to be grants and
things like that, like Pell Grants and all of this.
Those don't exist anymore. They have been nixed by, you
know, the wonderful people in power that we have today.
So there's a lot less avenues for assistance currently and
that stretch. But also, you know, it's it it,

(54:07):
it's funny as a parent to say you don't believe in that yet
not being able to give your kidsfunding to get an education.
So I'd like to understand what the rationale, you know, end
game of that is. I guess I don't know.
And This is why I say it's a future thing, because when Leon

(54:27):
wants to go to school, this is abig contention point because
Leon doesn't want to go to a cheap school and Kody thinks
that you should just somehow magically have money for college
parently. OK, Kody, tell your kids they
must pay for their own schoolingand you have no money for them
and you have 16 of them. Cool.
Good job. This is where we get a little
bit of detail from the kids about what they're planning on

(54:50):
doing at this point, which as weknow as 1716 and 15 year olds,
this could change for many, manyreasons.
Maddie wants to return to Utah to go to school, which, duh.
Leon also wants to return to Utah for school and suggests
that perhaps they could stay in the compound.
Which I'm like, oh. OK, I miss that.

(55:12):
Oh, that's funny. I know they had talked about
them being together. Like if they they could go be
together. Staying back in the big house,
hysterical now, You know, it's one of those practical things
where it's like, yeah, if you'regoing to school in town and it's
just sitting there vacant, then sure, stay in it.
But, you know, yeah, we'll see where that lands.
Aspen would like to go to UNLV for two years, which is

(55:35):
University of Nevada, Las Vegas.She'd like to go there for her
first two years and then perhapsmove to another school.
She threw out California. Aspen is our big dreamer when it
comes to, like, flowers in her hair and sunshine by the ocean,
I feel. And I love that for her.
But you know, it sticks with her.
Actually, Logan also would like to go to UNLV and then transfer

(55:59):
to like Utah State University after his first two years, which
that's what several people that I know did, went to like tech
school for two years and then transferred to a four year
school because it's the most economically feasible option.
But it's not the most exciting for a lot of people because a
lot of people when they're seniors in high school, they're
going to go to school. They want to go to school, they
want to go on a campus, they want to live somewhere else.

(56:21):
So to stay potentially, probablyat your parents house, a lot of
people for two years or stay in your same small town, renting an
apartment, going to school. I can see why a lot of people
thumbs their note like, oh, oh, but then in retrospect later, I
probably like, God, I wish I would have done that because.
Well, look, I only got away for a year to school, but I did go

(56:41):
to a college that was built in an old Spanish hotel and it was
adorable in the southern city. And, you know, it was a total
experience for me. So that was like AI got away and
I tried it, right. For one year.
One year? Yeah, one year.
Well, This is why I stayed away for years after that.
But not up here, you know. But well, this is it.

(57:03):
I mean I needed to get the fuck out so I didn't go to school.
I just got the fuck out and thenlater returned and went to
school so I think the GTFO bit is a big part for a lot of
people. Getting the fuck out, We're
getting the fuck out. Now the family we're going to
cut to them arriving at Heinz Center, which is Hynes, not
Heinz, is it the is in the ketchup royalty family that

(57:27):
what's his name married the he ran for president John Kerry is
married to the the heiress of the Heinz fortune.
Oh, that is so. Funny, yes.
So they're arriving at this facility to do their discussion,
their public discussion. So with their backstage and Kody
is in a nervous fog. Meri's not nervous, though.

(57:48):
She's not nervous. Meri is a cool cucumber.
Christine Chill as a Sunday morn.
Yeah, she's acting cool while they're giving us these moments.
You can see Janelle behind pacing and she wants it to be
over. Can we just be done?

(58:08):
I just love watching her pace. I'm like, oh, Janelle, like
you're cool, Like, like you're going to be fine.
If one of them, if there was oneI would want to actually be with
me, it'd probably be Janelle. So I love that she's doing that.
And and Robyn, to her credit, OhGod, you know, Oh God.
To her credit. Well, she says everyone's not
pretending to be nervous, but they are, she says something
along the lines of like leaning into it.

(58:30):
I'm giving her way too much credit here, but there is
something about leaning into a nervous energy.
Like performers that are like, Iget butterflies every time I go
up. I'm nervous every time.
And it's like, yes, use that. So I don't know.
I think Robyn was saying everybody's lying about how
they. Feel.
Everybody is saying they feel one way and they're not telling

(58:52):
the truth and she's calling themall out and calling out the
bullshit. It's OK to be nervous before
public speaking. It's a good energy if you use it
right. Oh I agree with that, I am just
saying Robyn's a cunt, but I agree with being nervous being
acceptable. I disagree.
Robyn is a St. among sinners. Yeah, OK.

(59:14):
Now Danielle walks them through what to expect, and they note
that she seems pretty nervous. They're like, oh, Danielle's
nervous. Oh, oh, oh, oh, And it's like,
well, she's nervous for the samereason you are.
She's introducing a panel she's supposed to be moderating.
Who knows how much moderating she actually does, But you know,
she's there. It's her thing.
It's her deal. Danielle introduces the adults

(59:37):
to the audience. They're backstage and she's
like, oh blah, blah, blah, blah,blah.
Here's the Browns, here they come out, here's Meri Kody,
Blaber Burbader, and they all walk out on stage and it's
wonderful. She mentions how they went
public in 2010. So I think this is 2011, right?
Like a year ish later. Yeah.
I think timing wise maybe that makes sense, but she kind of

(59:59):
gives a little bit of a recap ofwhat they have done in sharing.
Their lives on this show, Kody is very worried that people will
perceive him as being a liar anda misogynist.

(01:00:19):
And a misogynist. And think that he is controlling
these women, forcing them to stay with him.
Which he could never do. He'd have to give himself a lot
of credit to be able to brainwash them.
Or, you know, whatever that's called.
Hypnotize them into staying withhim.
Kody starts by telling the audience about some background
on the Latter Day Saints and howthe organization came to be and

(01:00:42):
how there used to be plural celestial marriage is part of
being a Mormon, basically. That's what LDS is.
But by 1910, there was a sect that had divided because
polygamy was no longer acceptable.
So the polygamist separated intotheir own faith.
He tells us that Joseph Smith received the laws of the faith

(01:01:05):
by commandment. So that's nice.
He does want us to know that he's not trying to persuade
anyone. He's just letting them know
about his faith, which is what he should be doing.
So props. His hair is really bad, really
bad really bad. Like these early years.
His hair is terrible. Obviously it's pre perm and all

(01:01:26):
of this, but it just looks unkempt.
It looks haphazard. I am distracted by the hair
every single time. So he's in the middle of this
yes like diatribe to the collegestudents about all of the
things. They just keep showing close-ups
of him and his hair is terrible.Oh, I thought his hair was OK.

(01:01:46):
Well, you can think what you want to think.
Well, no, I didn't think about his hair at all.
I you know it's the. I got distracted.
So easy that I just, I cannot accept that fifth wife in this
family. Danielle introduces the kids and
then they join, which is so lovely.
They come up from the audience on to the stage.

(01:02:08):
They're obviously asked a seriesof questions because that's why
they're there. The first question is about are
the kids following in the parents footsteps?
Yeah, they said. We don't force that on our kids,
which they they don't, they don't.
We've seen that. We know that.
I don't think that, I don't think that's ever been a thing
that we've worried about that with them as parents and their.

(01:02:29):
Children we've talked about before, it's like normal family
stuff, like if you're raised in a faith, your parents hope you
join that faith. But you know, if they're
reasonable, they're not going to, like, damn you to hell
because you don't. Yeah.
The second question is about Kody handling so many women.
Janelle says the Kody's in the doghouse often.

(01:02:50):
I love this. They're like how do you make 4
wives work so easily? And she's like ah, he's in the
doghouse a lot. Yes.
Don't. No.
Like don't let the appearances fool you, he is not handling
this easily actually, and he's in trouble all the time.
No. Oh, and then Robyn.
Robyn, you know. That's her.
Heart. God bless Robyn, she said.

(01:03:12):
You know, you just support theirrelationships, you support your
husband's relationships with hisother wives because otherwise,
how could you possibly make it worth it?
So. Heart of Gold.
You you got she just really. She's so selfless.
Yeah, she's on that journey to becoming selfless.
Remember, one day she'll get there selfless.

(01:03:32):
Well, she only took up minute break and then.
Oh, our third question is why dopeople not support polygamy?
Why do you think people don't support polygamy?
Now, Christine says that they, you know, if people don't
support it, that they likely just don't understand it.

(01:03:53):
And she she says that we are notabout people's rights being
taken away. Like if if people are looking at
polygamy as if a woman doesn't have any rights or there is
abuse or there is this or there is that, that is not what we are
all about. So, so if that's what you were

(01:04:16):
thinking polygamy is, then obviously that's concerning, but
that's not what we are all about, right?
They are the norm of polygamy. They are.
They're family. And you know, I guess in theory,
sure. Is there something inherently
wrong with a man having multiplewives?
No. I mean, no, I don't care.
I don't care. I want you to be able to have a

(01:04:38):
cohesive family structure and everybody feels supported and
whatever. And if you can do that, then
that's great. I don't think there's ever been
a thing that's like, oh, he's soterrible because he has more
than one wife. Have.
We. Ever judged it that way and we
don't? No, we don't.
We are not like Warren Jeffs. That's one of the things that

(01:04:59):
said. Uh huh.
Because of course, Warren Jeffs is part of this equation and
gets brought up in the discussion.
Robyn says that I was shaking from reading the articles about
Warren Jeffs. She was shaking.
Sabin says he should rot in hell.

(01:05:19):
It's actually very sick and wrong.
It makes me so angry. She's angry.
I think he deserves to rot in hell, I really do.
Good as you should. Thank you.
What a passionate moment. Robyn, The next question, how

(01:05:40):
would you feel about multiple husbands, which is, I have to
admit, probably one of my favorite questions that they get
asked 'cause they have no logic in their responses, but they do
have rationales that are not logical.
Meri says it's not of our faith.It's just simply not of our
faith. Janelle, I think Christine's

(01:06:02):
starting to answer and someone'sstarting to answer.
And then Janelle, like, reaches over and grabs the mic and is
like, who really wants that? Yes.
Literally whoever would want more than one husband.
Oh, there's some, you know, polyamorous people out there.
They, they love a multiple Dick.It's, it's not necessarily the
Dick that's the problem, unless it is a problem.
It's the person attached to the deck, the people attached to

(01:06:26):
these penises, these husbands that are around.
Oh my God. Terrible.
I feel like I just went down a rabbit hole in my brain of like,
can you not just find happiness or acceptance with just one one
like just one singular person? Like you have to get multiple

(01:06:46):
people to try to validate you. The kind of that's what it's all
about in these relationships, right?
Is that if like one partner isn't giving you enough, you
then are seeking separate validation from other, whether
it's a male or female. PS By the way, I don't think
this distinguishes sex, but like, Oh my God.

(01:07:08):
And then you have to balance these terrible relationships
that are because they're all so terrible.
It doesn't matter. You just add terrible
relationship of a terrible relationship on top of something
that's supposed to give you something that it's not.
So then let me. Just bring somebody else in that
can do that for me. And let's not.
Let's just not. I think the only caveat I would
say to that is with some of the men, it does seem like it's sex

(01:07:31):
driven. Like cut to today where Kody's
talking about getting another wife with Robyn and he his
rationale is all sex driven. And I guess that is a validation
bit. But I think also there is a
thing where some people think they can't be.
Some people are not sexually satisfied with one partner.
I think that if a woman is having multiple husbands or

(01:07:54):
multiple male partners, they areprobably doing the same thing
and it's probably for the same reason.
It's probably a lot for sex. Yeah.
I know like exhausting. I don't want one relationship,
let alone 4. Get the fuck out of.
Here I would be like, it would be such a big deal for me to

(01:08:15):
like, commit to one person. I can't even imagine multiple
people, but whatever. Zero desire.
Janelle reminds us that every religion has their rules and
that these are our rules. So, you know, that makes sense.
Like, I mean, no, that doesn't make it's just that blatant
statement rationale of like, youknow, this is what we do.

(01:08:36):
Meri needs her me time. Duh.
Like Oh my God, Meri, I couldn'thave more than one husband
because I need my me time. Right.
I'm not sure if they they must have been teed up with another
question that I didn't know. Maybe there was just an edit
where then all of a sudden the kids are talking about things
because Logan says that he's happy about opinion changes when

(01:08:58):
it comes to their family. Like since they've come out, he
has seen the results of that. And that is he's happy about it,
but that he's not happy about living in Vegas.
And this is what ushers in that thing that Janelle and the other
parents were talking about at the beginning about this fear of
their answers being misinterpreted.
So they are unhappy about their current move.
They are unhappy about being in Vegas in general, general the
kids, but that he's not unhappy about the opinion changes and

(01:09:20):
about how his family is being perceived.
He thinks that that that's working well when he's saying of
this while he's talking about moving to Vegas.
I just had a big sign. I had a testimony and I said
Sunset City. It is not Sin City, it is Sunset
City. So, you know, he's not the

(01:09:40):
happiest about being in Sunset City, but the other things seem
to be going well. I think the question that was
asked was something along the lines of are you happy that your
family has come out in this way,right?
Like are you happy that you cameout as polygamous?
And the answer was basically yesor no.

(01:10:01):
Like there's been ups and downs,There's been good things and bad
things. I think in hindsight or or in
general, they're OK that they'vedone this right, but that it
hasn't been easy. Maddie goes on to say that it
was like really heartbreaking toleave Utah and that some of the

(01:10:26):
siblings love Vegas. Like some people love the
changes that were made. But for her, it was
heartbreaking. And there's been a lot of really
challenging things that have happened for them.
So kind of all over the place. I don't know who it was that
said it, but the line was something along the lines as
we're not as together as we were.

(01:10:46):
So there have been so many changes as a family and how they
operate that they're discussing on this panel, right?
Like, yeah, it's been a lot of changes.
It's been a lot of this, but a lot of that, but you know.
Leon mentioned something about liking not having to blame the
family so much that there are some people that approach it

(01:11:09):
with a baseline understanding, or at least some, oh God, what
is it called when you're exposure, like at least exposure
to their family and awareness onsome level of what's happening.
Which would be kind of nice if you're always explaining things,
to have people, even if they're coming with a preconceived
notion. If it's not terrible or wrong,
it might be nice to not have to explain every single fucking

(01:11:30):
thing. Aspen says that she likes Vegas
but doesn't like that the familyseems to be unhappy because of
their change or their transitionand their their move.
Right. Kody says it was the best choice
to move for their family, but not the easiest mansion.
He always is so concerned about how things will affect others.

(01:11:53):
It's just. Just as it that's where Robyn's
the selflessness is rubbing off on Robyn and they're going to be
so selfless together. We get a couch moment from the
parents. They say that they are hoping
that these answers are not beingmisinterpreted as the kids just
being upset with their life and that the move is a

(01:12:13):
differentiator. You know, we don't get to see
everything they say on this panel.
I hope they did take a moment toclarify that a little bit or
that the kids started with that to an extent, because it is an
understandable thing. Like when you're hearing their
responses, it's like, yeah, they're not saying that they're
unhappy about their parents lifestyle choices.
They're unhappy about a move. So that was the kind of vibe on

(01:12:36):
the couch. And Robyn, fucking Robyn says
she like, cringed hearing the kids kind of respond to these
statements and how they were so honest.
Now. I think Robyn cringed because
Robyn does not actually want them to speak honestly, you
know, But that we will see play out in the future.

(01:12:59):
Janelle kind of felt the same way too, though.
Like, like she was kind of like,oh, I hate hearing how they're
describing it. Like I think that there was some
internal parent feelings about like, OK, like we hear what
they're saying and it's valid what they're saying, but we feel
a little guilty maybe that also.I don't want to, I don't want to

(01:13:22):
let it go by that. These are just parents making
choices for their family that obviously their kids aren't
always going to agree with that,like my kids not always going to
agree with with every choice I make for our family.
That is, there are so many things that are so fucking

(01:13:43):
normal about how this family operates on a daily basis.
Even though they're on TV or they're going to these colleges
or they're doing these things. There are so many instances in
which they are just actually genuine parents with genuine
children experiencing these things that we're seeing.
And I think sometimes I forget that, but then the second I
forget that and I start to have some sort of like, oh, I am

(01:14:06):
feeling away about it. I'm like, you're in a cult and
you guys are like, it's just, it's really emotionally
traumatizing for me, Chris. Emotionally traumatizing for.
Me, I am struggling. Wow, wow.
Well, I just, it's a lot. OK, OK, I'm gonna have to see if

(01:14:30):
I can get Robyn on the phone, see if she if Jesus isn't going
to text. You back 1800, Jesus.
If Jesus isn't going to text youback, maybe we can get Robyn on
the phone. By the way, how hasn't he texted
me back? But luckily they don't dwell on
it for too long. No, we're moving on.
Kody lets us know that who you marry determines 90% of your
happiness in life and that he's happy with his choices.

(01:14:54):
Now, do you think that who you marry this?
You know there's an element of truth here, right?
Who you marry is going to have ahuge impact on your life.
Yes. So, you know, valid.
Do we have to give him any flowers for that?
I think it's more just like a statement of fact in a sense.
I am right. I just chuckle so much because

(01:15:18):
three of your wives have divorced you now 14 years down
the road. So I, I do like how we
compartmentalize this to an extent as we're doing it right,
because we're really trying to just watch what's happening and
talk about what's happening. And we sidetrack eventually too.

(01:15:42):
But 14 years later, that man doesn't give a fuck about what
any of these people think. The happiness of anyone.
Yeah, yeah. Except Robyn, kind of kind of.
And I'm not even giving him 100%.
He gives a thought about what Robyn.
Thinks no, he doesn't so. There's some problems.

(01:16:02):
Meri says that it was overall a good experience for the adults
and the kids to go to Boston andto do this speak, and that's
lovely. So after they're done with this
presentation, this Q&A, this, whatever you want to call it, my
favorite interaction. So they start showing us some
interactions afterwards where they're doing some engagement
things. They're talking back and forth
with the audience members and the Brown family.

(01:16:24):
And one of the audience members says, I thought you were going
to come in in Prairie dresses and ILOLD because I was just
like, yes, like I thought you were coming in in Prairie
dresses. So good.
I love it and also that's why I think they're disarming to an
extent is that they are just wearing normal, normal.

(01:16:47):
Right, right. OK.
But yes, very funny. When talking about the open
mindedness of the audience, Merisays, can I just say I told you
so? And I like that, that she was
like, listen, I it was Much Ado about nothing.
I told you it was going to be like this.
So good for her. Now, Christine at at the

(01:17:09):
beginning of the episode had said she was worried this was
going to be an audience full of feminists.
You know, Can you imagine? Can you imagine?
And no, not. Feminists.
One of said feminists, you know,gave her take on the Browns
after the fact and she said thatthe women seemed independent and

(01:17:32):
that it all seemed kind of normal, like they kind of
chastised Kody to an extent. They, you know, laugh, They
whatever. I I can see how they come across
or would, you know, like in thatcollege come across that way.
And I think it is genuine to an extent.
Also, I think, don't you think that would be the goal if they

(01:17:54):
weren't like, I'm not saying that was it, but if these
weren't women that were free to speak whatever they're
supposedly free to speak, don't you think they're going to come
up on that stage and appear freeto speak whatever they're free
to like, come on, guys, come on.I am a third class citizen in my
own family. But they did love them, so that
was nice. The.

(01:18:14):
Audience has overall positive things to say about the family
and about the discussion, so that's great.
Yeah, agreed. Agreed.
So the episode kind of wraps with Kody talking about how he
hopes that they see allowing their polygamous family to be
how it is and be open and publicis a positive thing.
That their family is a positive thing, their relationships are a

(01:18:37):
positive thing, and them living openly and freely is a positive
thing. That's all he hopes.
Uh huh. Yep, Yep, it's great.
Oh, Kody. Oh, Kody.
OK darling, so who is your mustard seed on this fine
episode? Well, mustard seed, Chris, it's

(01:18:57):
so funny you should ask who my mustard seed would.
Be very unexpected. It's shocking, really.
Came out of nowhere. It's like that time I whipped
out a shit stain in your face. See, that's what I thought you
were doing. Yeah, no whipping out a mustard
seed. Stop making me laugh.
I am going to go with my mustardseed being Janelle.

(01:19:24):
And I think Janelle had some funny moments.
What was my favorite 1? When she pulled the mic after
somebody asked about multiple husbands and she pulled the mic
and she was like, well who wouldwant that?
And I was like Amen Janelle. So I think she's just feisty and
funny. She didn't have a lot to like,
say or do in this episode, but her things that she contributed

(01:19:47):
were like, good things. So I'm all about it.
My mustard seed is going to marry.
I kind of want to give it to Logan, but I'm also like, no,
that would be the easy road. And I don't take the easy I.
Wish I had been keeping track ofthe amount of times you've given

(01:20:07):
Meri a mustard. Oh, I know, if only we had
someone keeping track of our mustard seeds and our shit
stains. Now Meri was trying to be like,
you guys, it's fine, it's cool. Like we're just going to go out
and speak and like her vibes arevery much, they're like,
whatever energy you have, harness it, let's do it, let's
go. Like we're going to go talk,
it's going to be fine. And then it was done and it was
like, oh that's cool and it's fine and it is whatever.

(01:20:28):
She also didn't do anything to alienate me.
So that's why I have to give my mustard seed to Meri.
She didn't offend me this episode and I thought she was
cool, calm and collected. Thank.
You. Now shit stain, that's a whole
another subject. All right now, shit stain.
Shit stain. Robyn is going to get my shit

(01:20:51):
stain, Robyn and Robyn is going to get my shit stain because
Robyn likes to be sobbing. Robyn a bit too aggressively so
to make points, and not even it's very surface level, any
point she makes. Nothing is deep, nothing is
poignant. It's not it, it could basically

(01:21:14):
not exist and we wouldn't know it was missing.
And so that's my Robyn opinion. Shit stain.
Yeah, I agree she brings no value. 0.
But love you Robyn. No.
OK, my shit stain. No, no, we don't love you,
Robyn. My shit stain this episode is

(01:21:37):
going to Christine because Christine is annoying and
Christine tease things up in ways that I don't follow and
there is an underlying thing with me and Christine with
honesty and transparency that I cannot sit here and say she said
this sentence and it was incorrect.

(01:21:59):
It's more of a hunch, more of a time will tell and time will
prove that I'm right. So Christine gets my shit stain.
Also she's annoying. She's so annoying.
Murder her in the morning. Her Long Island Boston accent.
Oh God, no, no. Like I'd be like, honey, if you
don't stop, I'm going. To.

(01:22:20):
Pour that scalding hot coffee all over your face, OK?
OK. OK, still no response from Jesus
on the cell phone. How rude.
Our keep sweet moment this week comes to us from Miss Dean 95 as
in MISS Dean DE AN-95 and Miss Dean commented on our episode

(01:22:48):
The Wives Diet Woes. Oh boy with Bill.
Bill, have you checked in on those assault charges, Bill?
Bill. Bill, Miss Dean 95 lets us know
that there is a deity, at least two.
Well, they might be the same. There's a Greek and a Roman.
And so for the Greek we have Dionysus.

(01:23:12):
And then in the Roman world we have Bacchus.
And Bacchus is the one I was familiar with because Bacchus
has the like bacchanals, which is the parties with the wine and
the music and the dancing and the sex and the life.
Greek God of wine, festivity andecstasy, that's perfect for you.
And Miss Dean says and he got it, he's got it, Drinking,

(01:23:35):
partying and the feeling of unity at a competition.
So also think football fans at agame.
And that makes sense, like enthusiasm, encouragement,
spirit. Also people in the cult may have
worshipped by having orgies. So go on with your bad party
deity selves. Yes.
They may have also done cannibalist stuff, but look,

(01:23:58):
none of us are perfect. Wait, that was all in one
comment. Yes, and this is what I love is
that Miss Dean is letting us know.
Miss Dean, listen, there were some celebrations, there was
some wine, there was some drunkenness, there was some
partying. There may have been some orgies
and there may have also been some cannibalism.
But who's perfect? And it's true, you know, no one

(01:24:21):
on this podcast is perfect. I can say that.
Who's perfect? So yeah, I'm that chubby Greek
God. I'm going to go with Bacchus
because I can actually say that one.
Dianosis. Dianosus.
What? Diana.
Greek God because I'm a woman, right?
I can't be a Greek God because I'm a woman.

(01:24:42):
There's the slut, right? There's the whore and the slut
and the mother. I'm all of those.
No, honey, you're either a slut or you're a mother.
You can't be both. What I can be both?
Look at me, I'm like. Yes, I can.
Yes. I can.
But because I'm a man, I can be any of the gods.
You can either just be a slut ora mother.
And that's listen. Of course, of course she can

(01:25:05):
only be 1, not both. OK, God's liar, I'm not making
this up. So everyone, I'm going to call
on Zeus to strike us dead with abolt of lightning right now.
You guys, Chris is dead and I have taken over.

(01:25:25):
As as it turns out, the lightning struck the man dead.
Even though he was a gay man, itstruck him dead and now I am in
control. See.
Stop. You're gone.
You're gone. Oh, Ally, I'm speaking to you
from the afterlife. I wish you would stop.

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