Sister Wives S6 E12 - Mother-in-Law Invasion - My Sister Wives Podcast

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What does the nanny do? OK, so we're done.
Goodbye. You.
Shut it off. Do not twist my words.
Do not make me a victim, sweetie.
Just look at the mountain. That's what you saw that day.
Just the knife in the kidneys over.
All these. Years and the sacrifices that I

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made to love you. Not to alarm anyone, but demons

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out, it's demons out time. I happen to love when Kody says
demons out. So when I saw what was going to
happen in this episode, I had some blood flowing to somebody
parts and I was very excited it.
Was bound to happen during this episode because we are at season

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6 episode 12 mother-in-law invasion it.
Truly is an invasion. That quote was bound to happen
with the mother in laws here. Kimber, you're not trying to say
that people have demons insideof themselves when it comes to
their mother in laws they. Would never infer such a thing.
Convincing as always.

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Yes, Season 6, episode 12, we're going to open the episode at
the cul-de-sac and Kody is goingto give us a reminder of them
getting into the houses, which, you know, we start so many
episodes of the reminder of how we got where we were, as if we
haven't already been on this journey plenty of times.
We get an aerial shot of the Brown family cul-de-sac and I

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did note to myself the houses are huge.
Lots of harsh corners and large.
Harsh corners. I mean, there are corners, yes.
I don't know if we've actually
really, it's funny, even though we went through the journey of

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watching the houses being built.
I don't know, like I've talked about, I mean, they're big ticky
tacky houses in the desert. They're two-story.
Tan stucco houses that are largein square.
And Christine's has stone in thefront because she spent her
budget on that. And Robbins has a large fountain
that looks like bare knuckles out front for the headquarters.

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Of my sister Closet Closet.
Well, they're kind of recapping the whole how we got here where
we are thing. It was funny because there was a
joke about the C word for their properties, which is the
compound and kind of a dirty word in the whole polygamist
cult world. And they also refer to the Brown

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family cul-de-sac as the polygdesac.
Polygdesac I was like. OK, We're really going there and
it was definitely worth noting here on this podcast.
You're welcome. They're on the couch giving us
this little tidbit about how they got there yet again, and
Robyn has on this shiny blue top over a long sleeve blue shirt.

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The Blues don't match, not that they would have to.
However, the top looks very fancy.
It looks like it's made out of something that my middle school
homecoming ish dress would be made out of.
And there was a huge rhinestone gathering brooch in the middle
of the chest. It was a choice.

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Sounds delightful. It was a choice.
She might as well have been wearing a like weird prom dress
over a long sleeve shirt. There is something weird when
you're wearing the same colors.
They either have to match or contrast enough where it's an
intentional thing, you know? And Robyn's No, she's not really
our fashion leader, even though she has a jewelry line.

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No, and something that fancy looking over just a plain long
sleeve. It was a bizarre choice, as per
usual here. Well, we're having these moments
of being brought up to speed on everything we already know,
and they're having these back and forths.
There's also footage of Kody running home to home.
You know, he's so happy now thatthey're at the Plig de SAC.

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He talks about running back and forth to these homes and how it
has been working out his gluteus maximus, which gives him
a wonderful opportunity to get up off the couch, bend over and
slap his dairy air as the wivesare going.
No, please stop. No, don't do it.
And I was pretty happy about it because, well, I don't know if I

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would say I was happy about it.
It was just a funny moment. Was it funny?
It was a moment. Very Kody moment, he says.
The Sprint is really developing my gluteus maximus.
The Sprint, the. Sprint.
OK, developing his gluteus maximus.
Yes, and some foreshadowing. He hasn't spent too much time

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running around his own home because he doesn't know where
some of the basic features are of his homes, which is probably
in the same space on each one of them because they're just, you
know, customize a blueprint home, so.
And I would argue that one of the things he cannot find later
is something that every man in the manosphere should know where
it's at in their house. Oh, are you threatening his

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status in the manosphere? I appreciate that.
He can't grill a steak and he doesn't know where this very
important part of the houses. I know where it is in people's
homes I don't even live in because I'm just a competent
person, but you know. Because God forbid a serial
killer come and cut your power lines or some shit.

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You need to know that. You need to know, you need to.
There's a voice over over this montage of some family footage
as we're transitioning into the start of the episode, and
Christine says, I thought when we moved into the homes, there
would be almost magical Pixie dust and we'd all be happy.
I was like, why does it have to be magical Pixie dust?
Christine? Why?

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I just, I'm just getting more and more respect for her every
episode. I'm imagining a tiny little
piggy piggy fairy flying over the cul-de-sac and glittering it
with magical Pixie dust, trying to save them from their own
demise. It's very magical, really.
Kody talks about the goals of their upcoming family commitment

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ceremony and cue some flashbacks to their marriage retreat from
the last episode. Awkward scenes.
And I think you referenced something about how he might not
have even been saying commitment ceremony at this point.
He doesn't even come out and say it.
We find out that Sedona, this marriage retreat happened one

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month ago. So we get a little timeline here
and they don't come out and say commitment ceremony.
They're being very obtuse about it, which is funny because they
ended the tell all very bluntly saying that this was going to
happen. And they ended the marriage

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retreat and went into the marriage retreat by saying it
was all leading up to this very important thing for their
family, the commitment ceremony.
So why they don't come out and just say that again?
Weird choice. Yeah, I wonder if there's a tie
in to the notion that this was supposed to be a difference.
There's something about the TellHall in the middle of the

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season, and why aren't they justsaying there's a commitment
ceremony coming up? Because we already know it and
it's just weird. Yeah, he says this opportunity
is so cool we get to recommit ourselves.
But that's what he all he says about it because they're going
back and forth here and each of the wives is saying that they

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still feel so separate. The adults feel so separate.
The kids have acclimated and adjusted to living close again,
but not the adults. Yeah, there's a transition from
these flashbacks to the marriage retreat, the awkward
scenes that took place during this marriage retreat.
And then they're on the couch and it's like we are in real

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time now. We just have been brought to
current day. Kody kind of comes hot out the
gate and asks the wives something along the lines of do
you all even crave each other'scompany?
Was this off of something? Was did I miss something?
No, they kind of were just each giving their spiel about how
they feel now that they're in the homes.

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And Christine says she thought magic Pixie dust was going to
fix it. Meri says.
Well, things just aren't going to change unless we really want
it to. Janelle flashback, find being
separate, find where I'm at. I'm here, I'm here.
And so Kody says, do we crave each other's company?

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Do we crave being around each other?
And Christine says, it makes me really sad.
This is not what I wanted. Good Lord.
And when she's saying these things in these couch moments,
she looks really depressed and not happy and on the verge of
tears, if not tears welling up in her eyes.

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And this family is so bizarre because they're all just kind
of, well, Janelle, of course, isjust staring off into the
distance like she does, But everyone else is kind of just
glancing around, looking like maybe they care a little bit,
but no one's saying anything or doing anything.
Yet Christine and Robyn have coordinated outfits.
Robyn's wearing her blue get up and Christine is wearing a ombre

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layered tank top with the top layer a light blue in the bottom
getting to a dark blue. So I feel like it was either a
happy accident or a coordinated effort to match, so take that as
you will. Does that have to do with

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Christine feeling blue? Maybe there's?
I don't know if it's maybe they've been trying to do some
outreach to each other, I don't know.
But I did notice that those two were coordinating.
After Christine has this confession about being really
sad in her life, Janelle tries to reassure her, I guess by
saying the good thing is we're all going to recommit to each

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other and that's a cool thing. Christine says it's a good goal
and while she says it's a good goal, she looks like she's
possessed, like the devil and a nut job.
Like your youngest son looks at me when I enter a room and he
gets this possessed look in his face and it's like, Oh my God,
what is happening here? Why are you doing this to me?

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And that was Christine just being like, it's a good go.
I'm like, Oh my God, what are you doing?
He looks from under his eyebrowsjust that Chris with this snake
eye look. It's so ridiculous and he only
does it to Chris. He.
Only I don't know what it is. It freaks.
Me. He knows it fucks with you.
He thinks it's so funny and he'sonly 2 1/2 and he thinks it's

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hilarious to mess with you. It is weird 'cause it's like he
did it once and I don't know ifit was an accident or something
and he noticed. It was the reaction.
My reaction? I was like, don't lie, like I
can't look at him, but then I have to look at him 'cause he's
looking at me like he's needs an exorcism.
The worst part about this is we've had you take family photos
for us. Yeah.
So during the family photos, yeah, it was hard to get him to

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not do the demon look the entire session, which is just
fucking wonderful as a mother. That is funny, Christine tells
us. We've been having some crucial
conversations and we have a big one we haven't addressed.
I do like the term crucial conversations.
I suspect I know Christine's a bit of a reader, or at least she

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pretends to be. I think her reading is a little
more, you know, Pixies and halfanimal, half humans having sex
in the forest kind of vibes. Like I don't really know what
she's reading, but there is a book that I read because of work
situations and it was recommended to me called Crucial
Conversations. And it's a great book.
It kind of walks you through howto have crucial conversations

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and how to manage your own ups and downs and feelings as you're
going through these conversations.
So for her to use that, I mean, I say it when I'm talking about
crucial conversations. I'm like, this is a crucial
conversation because it's important to declare that this
is actually what's happening. And so for her to say that, I
was like, she didn't just pull that up out of nowhere, I don't
think. Can we copyright that for a

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future band name? Crucial conversations.
Some sort of emo band where I get to be Gwen Stefani like No
Doubt style? Honey, I'm not going to ask you
to say how old you are for our listeners, but I think you might
have passed your Gwen Stefani intro into the world phase.
I'm going to ask Christine to bepart of my band, Crucial

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Conversations. You guys are just girls in the
world and that's all that we'll let you be.
God damn, especially you manosphere men.
Well, the reason that Christine is talking about crucial
conversations is because we are going to be talking about Leon
and Aspen going to college. And Kody tells us that we need
to have a conversation about financing for college.

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Hot off the heels of the last episode where we were talking
about, you know, how is it that you have not been on the same
page about this? You have literally 17 children.
Let's assume some of them are
going to go to college. You're going to have to talk
about this. So especially since Leon's
tuition is going to be so much more than everybody else's so

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far, I thought, you know, Kody, these comments just make you
sound so smart. Everyone else is.
So far, you only have one kid in college.
If you're just comparing Leon's situation to Aspen, OK, I'll
give you some grace. But the way he was phrasing it
makes it seem like everyone else has these very realistic
expectations for college. And then there's Leon.
Out of control, Leon. And it's finally time to discuss

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this with Leon and Aspen going to college as if you don't
already have a child in college.
Now we're finally discussing it as the tuition is probably
coming due. OK.
You guys are so smart. Great planning.
Meri says that she's been comparing Westminster to UNLV

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and Westminster is $28,000 per year and UNLV is 7400 a year.
With no scholarships, she makes sure to point out and a detail
that I noted is that while she'ssaying this to the other
parents, so all the adults have gathered that I don't know if
it's Christine's house, I don't know where they are, but they're

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all in the living room, familyroom having this crucial
conversation. And when Meri's talking about
reviewing Westminster versus UNLV tuitions, she says, oh, I
was looking last night, blah, blah, blah, blah.
And I'm like, you were looking last night.
We just saw this last episode, how you were almost, I don't
know, She was yelling at Kody, talking loudly at Kody, being

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like, I have been doing these things and blah, blah, blah.
And it's like, I hope that when you say you were looking last
night, you were looking at UNLV's tuition, which we later
find out Janelle actually pointsout is probably inflated in
Meri's numbers. But who knows?
The it's just like, what do you mean you were just looking last
night? I thought you were helping Leon
with this for, you know, a longtime.
Yeah, she calls out Kody and says you haven't been here for

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these conversations. We've been having these
conversations, talking about Leon and her discussing it
together and where's Kody been? And you're just looking last
night, right? That's an easy thing to do
without scholarships, OK? Leon has a $10,000 scholarship,
so $18,000 a year. OK.

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Do you know if most scholarshipsare something that you get for
years or is it like a one time thing?
It might be a one time thing andyou can reapply, I'm not sure.
Every year there's different scholarships you can apply for
based on where you're at and your major so.
I only received one scholarship when I went to school and it was

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very small. It was like a $500, you know,
McDonald's scholarship or something.
And it was a one time thing, so I don't.
I'm unsure if this $10,000 one is annual and I highly doubt it.
Yeah, I highly doubt it.
I don't think it is. Yeah, Kody says that he will not
advocate for any of his children getting loans for college.

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He views it as slavery. We know most graduates will not
have a career based on their programs or majors.
This is why I will not support any of them getting loans.
They push it like crazy because this is a debt backed society.
You know, you can't disagree with all of his points, but I

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just do not understand what parents think people are going
to do to pay for college when they don't have an education.
It just doesn't make any sense.
Kody says statistically most kids don't get a job in their
major or field. OK, statistically, I want to see
what statistics you have. And I'm not even saying he's
wrong. He's not.

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But you know, he hasn't looked this up.
You know, he's pulling this out of his ass and using words like
statistically and debt based society and your major and field
just buzzwords to try to soundauthoritative over the whole
situation. Because Robyn says, well, when

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they turn 18, can they get a loan?
And he says, and they gloss overthis.
He says not if they want supportfrom me.
What does not supporting mean What you're currently doing?
By not supporting I mean I don'tknow if he means a gift of
money. Like if they're planning on
giving some money, it sounds like they might be covering
Logan's tuition and housing. Janelle is right now for sure.

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Yeah. And it's a little unclear.
So I see once again they don't have a plan, so we don't know
what The thing is. It gives me vibes of if you get
a piercing when you're in college, I'm cutting you off.
I'll stop paying for your college except for him.
It's if you take out a student loan while I'm helping pay for
your tuition, I won't pay for your tuition.

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Make it make sense. They're trying to fund their
college education, Sir. Well, This is why I was, I mean
asking about Logan's college because Kody asks Janelle what
Logan's cost was this year and we know Logan goes to UNLV and
she says it was $6500. Not with the most confidence,

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but $6500 for housing and tuition.
So when Meri's saying 7400, I'm curious if that's just website
that. Well, she did talk about the
number of credits and maybe Logan's taking less credits or
something. I think this is for fall and
winter semester and maybe Meri'squote was for an entire year.

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So I'm guessing this with housing and his total so far
this year is that semester including housing 6500 and a
spring semester without housing and total semesters together
would be 7400. Does that make sense because
it's got to cost extra for the housing?

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So this is just a portion of theyear they're discussing for him?
Yeah, 6500 * 2 would be 11,000
which would probably be a whole year for tuition and housing
so. But they're not even clear on
it. And we're sitting here and we're
doing this math quickly because we're us, and we're
deadbeat losers, but intelligent deadbeat losers.

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Oh, don't You are wearing glasses right now?
Maybe, but this is because of your vision.
You know you can't really see. God, don't quote me on saying
that we're intelligent. Please don't.
Please do not do that. But come on, how have you not
done this already? It's so simple.
I go, I don't. Get it?

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Unfortunately, there's some conclusions we could draw easily
right now as far as a solution, but we have to be
drugged through more conversation.
They talk about how Aspen has a car and Leon doesn't currently.
And Christine says on campus would Leon need a car?
And Meri says, I am not sending Leon to Utah without a car,

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right? So this conversation's coming
up. We haven't spent money on Leon
for a car yet. So we have to factor into Leon's
tuition a car on top of it. Aspen has a car.
So they're trying to parse out how much each child is getting
here, including car in tuition.

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Does Leon really need a car in Utah?
Probably not. There's a lot of carpooling that
happens in college. There's sign up boards for
getting rides to and from placesfrom your dormitory.
I remember my sister doing that freshman year.
My sister wasn't even allowed tohave a car on campus.

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You had to live on campus your first year.
You couldn't be an off. Student.
Housing. Yeah.
And I believe a car was one of the things you weren't allowed
or you weren't going to get a parking pass or something weird.
So do they even know if Leon's
allowed to have a car their first year at college?

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Yeah, In high school, you had to be on a wait list if you were
in your first year because they allowed priority for people
that were in sophomore, sophomore.
Junior, Sophomore. Junior.
But yeah, like we're. Intelligent.
Yeah, this is the one thing I can see about why Meri would
want to advocate for it is that it isn't local.

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So for Leon to be in the northern end of a state, you
know, I don't know how many hours of a drive it is, but it's
not like a 2 hour drive. It's a trek.
So I don't know if that would mean more flights, you know, if
it's close to so I don't know where Westminster is, but if
it's close to Salt Lake City, then why wouldn't you fly back
to Vegas? You know, I'm think Meri might

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have to go pick Leon up. Meri loves a road trip, which
we'll find out throughout the show she loves.
This bitch has spent so much time in a car it's insane.
But it's not unreasonable for a first year college student to go
on campus and not have a car. So it's kind of a but yes you're
right. They're trying to figure out the
balance here between the children.
Kody even says I'm not spending an overindulgent amount on

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Leon's tuition over Aspen, and he doesn't even say on Leon's
tuition. He says on Leon over Aspen.
So he's already overindulgent the use of that word.
Yeah, it aligns with some of ourvibes and feels from some recent
episodes where I think Kody's trying to tamper expectations.

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Make expectations realistic for Leon.
Remind them they are not the only fucking child, even though
they are in Meri's house. Yeah, that leads to the next
part of this conversation that gets a little contentious.
Kody says that perhaps Meri should take more out of her
budget towards Leon's college tuition.

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This starts to get heated. He says this is a six kids
versus one situation and you cantell he's leading with
compassion. He doesn't want to bring up the
fact that Meri only has one child, but that is the reality
of the situation we are in. You're about to be an empty

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nester situation and one versus 6 when it comes to funding a
household is just completely different and Meri starts
getting defensive immediately. I know that.
Robyn even says, I think she knows that, yeah, and stands up
for her. This is where Kody says the line

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about being willing to help but not going to help his child
if they're going into debt for paying for college.
And it's like, OK, well, whatever, Kody.
He says we will find a way if our children will start making a
commitment to not go into debtover college.
Oh, God. And now here comes Robyn.
You know what? Robyn's also intelligent.

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What are the other options? And then she starts putting up
her fingers because she's going to give us a list.
Parents funding, school financial aid, scholarships and
student loans. Those are the four options.
No, Honeywell, you're a detective.
What's going on with this list? How can we break it apart?

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It's so funny to me because if Iwere to classify this, I would
say the three options, scholarships, financial aid and
student loans are pretty much kind of one in the same in my
mind. And then parents being able to
fund it with their salaries. I get it.
I get where she's coming from here.

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I can't drag her for it. I really can't.
Yeah, I mean, she's doing the noble thing.
She's doing the right thing by pointing out there's only so
many ways that you can pay for college, unless it's us or
scholarships. That means, you know, probably
student loans and financial aid.They definitely aren't broken

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off, particularly her and Kody, Meri and Kody, they are not
broke enough to qualify for the financial aid that Robyn's
probably pointing out here. You know, Pell grants and other
things. I mean, I shouldn't say that
they're not. Maybe, you know, they are used
to bleeding the beast. Oh, gosh, that was allegedly.
Who knows, maybe they could figure it out.
But I, you know, it looks like there's only so many options

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here. And and I'm going to give Robyn
kudos for backing up Leon here.We talked about this briefly
before about how eventually Merigets a divorce from Kody to
adopt Robyn's children and why wasn't it discussed beforehand
when it came to financial aid for the children or another

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situation. And it only comes up when it
comes and is pertinent to Robyn and her situation and why she
needs to be married to him. I don't know.
I do find it a little odd that they haven't had this
conversation previously, especially with being married to
the person that has an older child.
It's just an odd conversation tobe having for the first time and

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not have thought this through.The only forward thinking thing
that I can think of right now is that Robyn has multiple
children. So if Kody marries Robyn, then
does that mean he divorces her in the future to get financial
aid for all their kids? You know, it's, I know that Leon
is older than her kids, but she has many children, so that
would be another complication. If it really is a marriage born

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out of religion and commitment,why does he need to be married
to any one of them truly in the eyes of the law?
Yeah, he could just be divorcingMeri.
You're not advocating for him tomarry Robyn, Just divorce Meri.
Totally.
That makes sense. And Kody says again, well,
there's another option. A job that pays well, hinting

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that the child should get a job that pays well while they're in
school. And I agree with what Robyn says
next. Robyn says that school is your
job. When you're a student, school is
your job. You should be focused on school.
OK. So we're talking about a $28,000
tuition base tuition. You're supposed to have a

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$28,000 cost as an uncollege educated 18 year old.
Let's say going out of high out of high school.
You're supposed to attend these classes probably full time and
have $28,000 in your budget annually for tuition.
This is idiotic. I I don't even know what it
means. Most people if you made $100,000

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a year you would have a hard time paying for a $28,000
expense. So I don't even know what that
means. No college education.
So what is Leon's? What's supposed to do here for a
job that pays well to put themselves through school?
It's just a logical that's why most people go to college, just
so that they can get a job that pays well.

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And there's an unfortunately large number of people that
don't make a lot of money after going through college.
So it's just the logic is lost on me here.
Yeah. And now we're going to cut to
the couch where Christine brings up some logic that I think
makes sense. And this is where I was jumping
to earlier, but we had to go through all this other bullshit

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first is that they could probably put aside a bit for
each child, but then the children need to work and get
scholarships for the rest of their 'cause this to me makes
sense. So let's say you're looking at
someone like Logan and you're saying, OK, this year we know
we're going to spend 10 grand on Logan's education or we're
going to gift Logan $10,000 for some reason, whatever.
Then when your next child comes up, you give them $10,000.

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Let's say you can't afford it and you do 5002 thousand.
My parents did give me a fucking dollar.
So, you know, whatever, whatever you can afford, you set it
aside for each child. You give them that money and say
the rest is on you. Sorry Bob, you're in the real
world now. You're a grown up so you got to
figure it out. And you know, hopefully you
would approach it with more compassion.
And I would argue with Co signing for student loans, but

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that's my own opinion. You approach each child the same
way with a certain gift that you've set aside for each child
and that's how you do it. That's what I would do.
Yeah, almost like a dowry for a marriage that people set aside
for their daughters and marriage.
Oh geez. Don't worry, no.
Christine says we have 17 kids, you have to work your butt off

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for scholarships. This is reality.
When they turn 18, they're going to be hit with reality.
I'm sorry, but it's true in her Christine way of saying things,
and I agree. Should you be having this
conversation just when they turn 18?
Probably not. Should you be having it their
junior year through senior year of high school?

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Probably preparing them for the reality of the situation.
And I do give them props because Mckelty has been taking
college courses as a junior in high school.
So Mckelty has all of these, to be quite frank, stupid and
meaningless classes under her belt that she's not going to

(31:02):
have to pay out the ass for in college, and it was paid for in
high school for her. These are the things you should
have been thinking about ahead of time and encouraging your
children to do. And it's still strange.
I know we're stuck on this and Oh my gosh, you're probably
going, when are they even going to move on to the next thing?
But Logan is already in school.
We have a child in college and we are just having these

(31:26):
conversations about other children.
It's like when Logan went to school, did Janelle just say,
oh, it's going to cost this much?
And Kody said cool. And they never talked about it
with anybody. I mean wouldn't that be the
trigger to have the conversation?
Especially since you have 16 other fucking kids.
They push everything off, they do the easy way until they're
fucked and have to deal with it head on.
Look at the debt. Look at Robyn having to deal

(31:48):
with her credit card debt beforegetting financing.
She waited till the last goddamnminute.
Two weeks. It was outrageous.
So Meri didn't even get her house on time because she didn't
put in her. Paper bag.
Do we expect it to be any different when it comes to their
children's schooling? These people.
Guess not. They get Leon to come over to

(32:08):
the house to join the conversation.
So we get a little bit about Leon here and why this is so
important to Leon. Meri asks can you explain to us
why? Why this is what you need?
Leading Leon to tell their sob story and basically give them

(32:32):
the guilt trip as to why they need to fund the schooling for
them. And Leon is crying and saying I
want to be by my church and faith.
I've been missing out for two years.
I want to be in a place where people want sister wives like me

(32:56):
and a husband who wants multiple wives.
I know it's a lot of money, but I, I don't know what to do when
Leon arrived in the family room.
I think it's important to note that.
Robyn asks, You know, I was wondering, if we can't afford
Westminster, would you be open to going somewhere local?

(33:17):
So Robyn's trying to open up this alternative dialogue.
And Leon says, I'm not staying here.
And I just think it's important to state that because Leon has
this adamacy that this is what they're doing and unopenness to
alternatives, which is understandable when you think

(33:40):
about being a young adult. When I was a senior in high
school, I knew what the fuck I was doing and it didn't matter
what anybody was saying to me. So I get it.
But it's just important to point out, I think from the lens of
watching Leon isn't being like, I'm going to sit here and, you
know, really lean into what's going on.
Leon's being like, this is what I'm doing.
And yeah, I'll sit here and tell you why, but this is what I'm
doing. So prefacing this sob story

(34:03):
about wanting to be with their church in faith with that
statement, you feel like this is all just a performance as
well. There was enough pauses and
enough gathering thoughts that Ithink it backs up their
rationale and probably is a partof the picture.
But I also think there might be other things happening in Leon's

(34:25):
life where getting away from everyone might make sense, some
self discovery. I don't like what's going on
here, but what's to like? Yeah, this whole spiel and the
whole crying. I want to be by my church and
faith. I've been missing out for two
years. It feels performative.

(34:47):
Yeah. Especially like you said after
stating so bluntly, I'm not staying here.
Yeah. Yeah, it.
You're right. There's.
Some spoiled brat thing going onhere, which we've experienced
over and over again with Leon. But you know, Meri does come to
Leon's aid by saying that she'snot going to give up on making
this happen for Leon, which, youknow, of course.

(35:08):
OK, then she's a mom. That's great.
What I love is that Janelle hopsright on and agrees and says
we're going to do whatever we can to make this happen.
And I thought that was great because Janelle does take the
option regularly of just sittingthere and staring and doing
whatever. And I thought it was really
great that Janelle, well, you know, she does always support
the education like we talked about, at least in her talking

(35:30):
points. So, you know, that makes sense.
Christine says we'll figure it
out before you go so you don't have to stress about this while
you're at school. You only have to stress about
your grades. Kody makes some dumb ass comment
about how there's a common denominator here.
These are all my kids. Really.

(35:52):
Yeah, we're all a family. We're all their parents and we
will all do whatever is necessary to get them there.
Except for cosign on student loans.
Yeah. All right.
OK, Turkey. Now I'm recognizing I've got a,
you know, fair and balanced right over here.
It is a lot of people to cosign for loans for.

(36:14):
So that is another thing, you know, it's not like he can
cosign for 17 people's college, you know, debt.
If he was just spiritually and religiously married to their
mothers, the moms could cosign for the Student Loans and.
There you go. He wouldn't have to worry about
it, He. Wouldn't have to sign a damn
thing if he didn't want to. If he was really smart.

(36:35):
Right, he. Really wanted to work the
system. Oh.
Kody. I don't think he would even be
able to close sign on all the Student Loans.
They wouldn't allow it, no. He wouldn't get approved on a
certain number of the loans. So, yeah, PLC pays some bills.
And then we have a seamless transition to Kody telling us

(36:55):
about his four mother in Mothers in law.
He says this so many times during the episode and each time
I'm cringing. It's like nails on a chalkboard.
Mothers in law I. Know I'm going is it incorrect

(37:18):
or not because I've never heard of mothers in law.
Would it be mother in laws? I I just don't even know how you
would phrase it. I've never heard anyone talk
about their multiple mother in laws.
Well, the mothers would be plural.
Yeah, so mothers in law. Mothers in law.
I guess it's just weird to hear.
It's no Meri, Meri quite contrary or sob, and Robyn does
not roll off the tongue. Like Piggy Piggy Tootsie

(37:43):
Tootsie's. Clearly, that rolled off my
tongue. Oh my.
God, Oh no. So of course we talk about each
of the wives, mothers. So we get introduced to
everyone. Some of them we've been
introduced, so we're being reintroduced.
We start with Meri's mother, Bonnie.
She's telling Hunter how muscly he's gotten and squeezing

(38:04):
Hunter's muscles and giving him the little Gucci goo grandma
thing. It's pretty cute and he's
blushing and Christine says thatwhenever they've wanted
something out of Kody, they've all gone to Bonnie to get it out
of him, to get him to do whatever it was that they
wanted. I love it.

(38:25):
That was adorable little tidbit.His first mother-in-law, I think
from the book and different references that I've seen or
read or whatever, you know, he really did have a fondness for
Meri's parents. He met Meri, fell in love with
Meri, you know, quote UN quote, whatever.
They were young, who knows, but her parents were influential in
the cult and he really looked up to them.

(38:46):
And so it is cute that Bonnie kind of has a little thumb on
him or whatever you'd want to say, you know?
Yeah. Have you ever had a relationship
where you've gotten along withthe parents or family better
than the person you're with and it's hard to break up with them
because you know you're breaking up with their family
too? I have not spent a lot of time
with anybody's family that I've been dating, so I haven't

(39:07):
haven't had that experience, but I could see it actually
happening. I wonder how this plays out for
Kody after things start going South because he does seem to
have an affinity for Bonnie so I'm curious to see how it plays
out. I have had a few relationships
where I was sad to be cut off from the family, but you know,

(39:32):
it is what it is. It comes with the territory of
loving and hurting and. It's never stopped you from
violating A protective order before.
Robyn tells us that Bonnie has a strong testimony for plural
marriage and has always been a pillar in their community.

(39:53):
She's so. Solid in her faith, we get to
Janelle's mom and Janelle tells us how her mom has always been
the nurse mom of the family. She could always count on her if
one of her children was sick or if she needed a remedy for a
child. And Cheryl is the nurse mommy of

(40:14):
the family. She must have been the one that
taught them to, you know, boil onions and then put it with
honey for when you're sick or something.
No, yeah, Cheryl, you dirty dog.
We hear a little back story again about how Cheryl married
Kody's dad and he says around the same age I am now.

(40:39):
So as an older adult and marriedCheryl before Janelle and him
got married, right? But they're not siblings, OK?
They're trying to call out the fact that they're not siblings.
They weren't like young children
living together as step siblings or.
Something, Yeah, OK, we we get what you're trying to do here.

(41:03):
Moving on. Yeah.
Friendly reminder that Cheryl went up to try to convince
Janelle to not join the cult, Don't do this and then met Wynn,
Kody's dad, and married him. So she went in to try to put a
kibosh to it. Which also does not make sense
because Janelle was married to Meri's brother.
So it none of it makes any sense.

(41:25):
But the take away we're supposed to have is that it's not
incestuous at all that Kody married his step sister Janelle.
Little bit of a Beauty and the Beast situation, you know, she
went up there to try to save, save her daughter and look how
it turned out and then her. Daughter turned into a hairy
beast. Oh no, her daughter was a hairy.
Beast and then. Turned into a beautiful Kody

(41:48):
looking man Oh God. Speaking of Disney, we've got an
update about Christine's mom, Annie.
Annie's coming. Janelle tells us that Annie is
great to talk to you because she's always uplifting, she's
always positive. But unfortunately, Christine has
some complicated feelings when it comes to her mother Annie,

(42:08):
and at least a complicated history.
She tells us that when she was 19, her mom left her father and
their cult. Even though Annie did leave, she
still supports their family today though, so that's great.
We're going to get some more details about that later.
Unlike Annie's sister, or well, I don't know if we know which
sister, It is Christine's aunt who's not her aunt, it's her

(42:30):
mom's. No, it is her mom's sister.
Mom's sister who said that she wanted to kidnap Christine.
Kristen. Yes, we haven't heard that
language. No, we have not.
We get to meet Robyn's beautiful mother, Alice.
Oh, beautiful. Alice has been a first and a
second wife. She left Robyn's bio dad for her

(42:54):
new dad who she claims, so she understands where everyone is in
the family as far as dynamics go.
Oh, of course. She's so understanding now that
she's married to Robyn's step daddy.
Uncle, when you said that Alice was beautiful, I agreed with
you. Yeah, she's really something.

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She's a knockout. Stunning.
I was stunned by her beauty. This whole introduction to the
moms had me thinking, Christine's mom Annie looks
amazing compared to these other women and she's the one that
got out. Well, she is the one that got

(43:37):
out. She's the one that got away,
Yeah. She looks the youngest, she
looks the hippest, she looks the most with it.
She does look like the one that spent the most time in a
tanning bed. True.
But I agree with you overall, she's the one that you would
probably gravitate to as like you're a normal person or
someone. You're a cool grandma.

(43:58):
You're not right. This.
Homely looking, quintessential.
What you think of when you thinkof a granny grandma.
I don't. From a polygamous cult.
Well, right, and I'm not trying to say that super derogatorily
at all, but the rest of them look like they belong to the

(44:18):
cult that they belong to, you know?
Yeah, the vibes be vibing, and she's got more of the hippy,
dippy, earthy vibes, as Kody would say.
Kody would say that. We get introduced to Janelle
again. We've met her previously.
Janelle has 10 biological children born of her own womb,

(44:42):
10 children and she is common sense and love, Christine says.
All the other mothers in law are
coming for the weekend, and so is Janelle, Kody's mom.
And I just wanted to point out that there is no why in Janelle,
even though you're might be struggling with how the hell is
that spelled? I believe it's GENIELLEI don't

(45:05):
know. It's hard to, you know, decipher
what's going on on the screen when you're blinded by Alice's
beauty. But there's no whys.
And I just wanted to point that out because you might be
thinking, how does the why fit into Janelle?
There's no whys. There's no whys.
Some of these names, when I am writing them out, I have to
write them incorrectly because I'll forget how to pronounce it

(45:26):
if I don't write it the way I would imagine it to be written.
Yes, I wrote Janelle in at least eight different ways as I was
going to hear, like how many ES?
Where are the ES? Yeah, it's a whole thing.
Kody lets us know that on Sundaymorning he will be making brunch
for all of the moms, All nine of them.

(45:48):
He makes a comment about anyone asking for quiche.
He's not sure if they'll get a quiche, but he would try.
One of the activities that's going to be happening on this
Mother's Day weekend is that Kody is hoping to take his four
mothers in law, along with his own mother, Janelle, shopping

(46:10):
for gifts for his beautiful wives.
Oh God. What I also love about this
journey into retail heaven is that Kody talks about how he has
4 mother in laws right Becausehe has four wives, but that each
of these four wives also has asister wife.

(46:32):
So he technically has eight mothers in law.
God this plig math is tough take.
That as. You I know, right?
Ridiculous. OK, so.
They're spending it, presumably with their biological children.
As well.
He makes some tasteless jokes about how he has buddies who

(46:56):
hate their one mother-in-law, but he loves all of his equally.
No, no, no, he would never tell us if he has a favorite or a
least favorite. Never.
It wasn't the dumbest thing he's ever said, but it was pretty
dumb. Cut to Kody and his four mother

(47:16):
in law's mothers in law and his mom entering a small scale
Hobby Lobby looking store. They love that store.
They love the vibes of these kind of stores.
We have seen many scenes shot in similar stores, if not this
very store. A tic tac Knick knack type of

(47:37):
store. Faddy wack, give a dog a bone.
Yeah, it's what you imagine when you think signs with sayings.
A lot of wood, a lot of faux barn looking decor and
charcuterie. Charcuterie, fake plants, fake

(47:59):
every. Just everything is.
Yeah, Hobby Lobby meets the corner store.
I feel like every small town has one of these stores and I'm
not going to lie, when I go to a small town I love walking my
ass through these stores as well.
Yeah, it's a little downtown area.

(48:20):
Yeah, yeah, I usually find something I don't fucking need
and tell my husband that I like it and I like this whatever and
absolutely do or do not get my way so.
This was before the days of Joanna Gaines.

(48:40):
Now today, it would be like Magnolia RIP off shit
everywhere. That's what it would be.
That's the vibe. True, true.
This is a store of its era. Yes, it probably looks how the
goodwill I went into recently looks now all of the stuff
that's been donated like this. Yeah, totally.
Yeah. Kody says it's a treacherous

(49:04):
experience shopping for his wives.
He talks about comparison being the killer of joy and giving
gifts for his wives. Understandable.
If you had four spouses to buy agift for it, they probably would
be comparing their gifts. I don't know how you avoid this.
I don't know how much weight to
give it. It is what it is.
You've got 4 fucking wives and you're getting them all Mother's

(49:25):
Day gifts. I'm going to have something to
say about that later. Oh.
OK. He sees this ugly ass clock that
looks like it's supposed to be aged and it's not just a wall
hanging clock. No no no.
It looks like a corner store sign hanging off of a wall.

(49:46):
It's got a mount that makes it protrude off of the wall and
hang like a sign and it. Reminds me of almost like a
light on a post. Like an outdoor light, but
instead of there being a light, there's a clock.
Is ugly as sin, and he says that he likes it.
He likes it a lot and he's going to get it.

(50:08):
He is going to pick a wife to give this clock to instead of
picking an individual gift for one of the wives because he
likes this clock so much. So he starts asking each of the
mother-in-law mothers in laws. Mothers in law.
Mothers in law. Would this be something that
Christine would like? Would this be something Robyn

(50:31):
would like? We're going to move on.
This fucking clock comes back up again.
OK, yes it does. So moving on from this ugly ass
clock for now, he moves on to his next thing, his next find.
Yes. What is it?
Kody comes around the corner because of course this place has
to have like, rooms slash faux rooms.

(50:52):
Whatever. There's doorways, so he comes
around the corner with a sign in his hand suggesting that it's
for Janelle, perhaps. So he's glancing at Cheryl and
he shows her mom. Look at this sign and it says I
kiss better than I cook. Now you would think it should
say I kiss better than I cook, but it says I kiss better than

(51:15):
THENI cook and I'm going Oh my God, there's no way the person
that made the sign is clever enough for it to be a play on
words like you kiss and then you cook.
I kiss better than I cook. If there was a comma in there,
then I would be like, yeah, that makes sense.
But it just literally looks like there's a misprint and no one

(51:37):
seems to notice that this is misspelled.
And it is insane to me. I do think that if I ever
reproduced I would be like, I need to get them into the best
polygamous school I can find because these people are fucking
bright. Cheryl goes maybe Kody is like,

(52:01):
it's just means I'm complimenting or kissing.
I'm not insulting or cooking. I'm just saying her kissing is
really good, yeah. It's an affirmation.
Cheryl looks uncomfortable. Like I don't even know how to
respond to this. Cheryl literally says in a
one-on-one moment with the camera I don't feel at ease with

(52:23):
the sign. What?
I don't feel at ease with the sign.
Yeah, she's not feeling at ease, and maybe it's because she
actually knew it was misspelt. You know, she might have been
going. Kody, you can't be getting the
sign because it doesn't make any sense.
Everyone is so uncomfortable and he is trying to sell it so

(52:45):
hard. It's just shut the fuck up.
Yeah, shut up. Yeah, it was a hit and a miss.
Move on. But.
Nobody likes it, No. Not Kody.
We're not smelling what you're stepping in this time.
Move on. But this does give us an
opportunity to hear from anothermother-in-law, Bonnie.
She says she's always loved Kody.
You know, sure, he makes mistakes, but so do her other

(53:07):
son in laws and she still loves them.
As this is happening, they transitioned to him showing her
a tall photo frame thing. Once again.
It's the pieces of wood with word art and then some frames
that you can put photos in. It's like 3 feet tall leaning
against the wall. And I think it says a smile is

(53:27):
the prettiest thing you wear. A smile is the prettiest or the
best thing you can wear. OK, yeah, it's supposed to be
alluding to whoever is reading the sign that their smile is the
best or prettiest thing they could be wearing.
What a great gift for Meri ushering towards the sign and

(53:48):
looking at Bonnie and she's telling us about how everyone
makes mistakes but she still loves them.
It's. Huge, by the way, it.
Is really tall. It's like it it.
Would come up to my nipples if Iwas standing next to it and it's
red and it's a worn so it looks like it's red.
Used barnwood and there's more than one photo frame in it, so

(54:11):
the wives do like that. There could be a picture of each
wife or different family members in it.
Yeah, yeah. No one points out how it's
nipple heighted while it's on the floor, but you know, I guess
that's a selling feature. You know Kody the salesman.
Kody goes back to looking at thefucking clock.
It's rearing its ugly face again, the clock face.

(54:34):
And Kody says, I think I'm goingto get the clock for Robyn.
And the moms have a visceral reaction to this.
Well, very muted, but visceral. The moms don't think it's fair
to get fun, quirky sign gifts for all the other wives and nice

(54:54):
clock for Robyn. Which gives Kody pause.
Only briefly, he says. Are you saying I need to keep
equity with all things that I get for my wives?
And his mother says, I think youneed to be fair.
He looks genuinely shocked. He hates when his wives compare

(55:16):
things. Yeah.
Oh, comparison is the thief of joy or something like that.
He says this a lot, how he hatesso much that brings out the
devil in his wives when they compare things.
Yeah. At this point in your marriages,
don't you expect this? Don't you just say it is what it

(55:39):
is, this is what's going to happen and realize that that's
going to happen and decide to befair.
Not when you've seen a clock on the wall that you really like,
that's hideous, and you decide to buy it for your favorite wife
while the others just get somefunny words on some old wood.
Well, he's going to be at her house the most, so he'll get to
see the clock and it'll be his and.

(56:00):
And she'll find the perfect place for it, I'm sure.
Where he'll hit his forehead on it every morning when he walks
to get his coffee from the kitchen.
After Janelle says I think you need to be fair, he literally
responds with traitor my own mother, which I did think was
pretty funny because I was like,oh, that's probably something
I'd say to my mom, my own mother.

(56:21):
His mom tells a story about how he was being disobedient as a
child once and he wasn't listening and he was playing
around on the furnace and he ended up burning his hands on
the furnace because he was not listening and being disobedient.
And she says he's not much

(56:42):
better now with a smirk. So he's defying his mother in
this moment. He says I can't worry about what
one wife will think when I'm buying for another wife.
That wouldn't be fair to the one that I'm buying for.
Which is just ass backwards compared to what he should
really be thinking, right? We're talking about Mother's

(57:05):
Day. You have 4 wives that are all
mothers. You just gave all four of these
wives hideous jewelry that was pretty much in line with each
other. Now it's Mother's Day.
How about you pick a theme, you pick a thing and you buy
similar things for these wives.
It's it's not like it's an anniversary or a birthday.
I could see wanting to get something special of course, for
those things. But this is a broad holiday for

(57:28):
your Broads, the broad Broads he got.
You know what I mean? Like it just is what it is.
Like get something. It's not the right time for him
to be going. I'm thinking of something
special. It's like you were thinking of
yourself that you wanted a clock.
That's the only reason you're even wrestling with this, you
idiot. I would have turned it in.
Let's make it all about me. You and all your wives, what
would you have done for them? Thank you, thank you.

(57:49):
What I would have done is I would have either asked the moms
to pick out two gifts options for their daughter and I would
pick the final one, or I'd bring2 to the mother-in-law.
Be like, these are the two I'm thinking.
Which one would you pick? Like, I would have turned it
into some sort of activity, but you know, they're only there
with a camera crew. They only have producers.
This is obviously set up as a thing.

(58:10):
Why would you make it fun? Why would you make it
interesting? Instead, Kody gets to pick out a
clock he likes and then buy a bunch of shitty word art.
It just makes him look so stupidbecause if he would have done
something like what you just said, it would have been cute.
It would have given them an opportunity to talk about the
differences between the wives and why they're each so special.
But no, he has to pick out

(58:31):
something that's meaningless to each of them and stupid and
then one thing that he likes andtry to fit it to one wife.
He's so fucking self-centered and it just comes up again and
again. And this is yet another example,
and it's Mother's Day and you're not even listening.
Your mother's in law about their own daughters that you're.

(58:53):
Buying gifts for It's just he's so he's such a narcissist.
Christine's mom gets frustrated with him and she starts trying
to force him to decide on what to get for one of the wives and
she starts counting down and as she gets down to 0 she goes
loser and puts an L on her forehead with the shape of the L

(59:16):
on her forehead with her hand and calls him a loser.
Yes, after she does this 5 second countdown and 54321 while
he's standing there like I don't even know what a person
without a brain. She calls him a loser, calls him
a loser again, and then she goes, I'll give you one more

(59:37):
chance to get that sign and she goes, we're done.
And I actually thought that she was maybe implying that he
should just pick the sign. You know, it's a little hard to.
We didn't get the back story on this sign, but it just seemed
like she was trying to coach him into making an obvious
decision and he would not follow.

(59:57):
He could not follow he. Stood there dumbly with a blank
look on his face and this is when we get our favorite quote
of the episode. This is what he was thinking
during this moment. You go for it.
You go for it, darling. I was touched by an Angel in
this moment. We cut to the couch after this
exchange, where Annie's calling him a loser more than once.

(01:00:20):
God bless you, Annie. Love you, Annie.
And Kody says I'm like, going crazy.
Demons out, demons out. Oh God, demons out.
Shaking his stringy hair to and frost.
Shaking demons out. Oh, I love it so much.

(01:00:40):
We've had demons out at least once in this show at this point,
and we get it even further down the line.
And I just love it because he's trying to be silly.
He's trying to be, oh God, I can't even believe it.
This is so much. And I'm going, you're literally
saying demons out like he's possessed by demons.
I don't. Can't believe I haven't

(01:01:01):
incorporated this into my own life.
It's insane. I need to start saying it at
work and at the grocery store, just wherever I go.
Demons out. As we get to the cash register,
I noticed we've been here before.
Oh. Is it familiar to you?
I think I've seen Robyn splayed across this register before

(01:01:29):
tackling about some wait, what'sthat I saw on the register still
to this day? Robyn's credit card.
Caramels. The Christmas caramels.
Oh. God, those Christmas caramels.
This is Robyn's favorite store in their area.

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I want to know how much money she has spent here.
I want to know how much time shehas spent here.
Because this is the caramel shop.
Not a caramel shop, not a candy shop.
She just knows that this store has caramels next to the
register. That's how much this bitch has
been here. Well, the good news is Kody can
bring up his gifts and say justput it on Robyn's account.

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This poor, unfortunate store. Oh no, because they were hit by
the Brown family curse. We zoomed in.
We spied with our little eyes. No, I, I, well, you had to get
really close to the TV because of your bad vision.
I could see it from the couch. We did.
I went. We we rolled with my glasses and

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zoomed in. Oh my God.
This store was called Rod Works Las Vegas and RIP It went out of
business in June of 2020. Yeah, it is no more.
RIP Rod Works Las Vegas. Brown curse?

(01:02:56):
Yes, we can't even blame 2020. We can definitely blame Kody and
Robyn probably kept them open for two or three months on her
own for. Reals.
For reals, they're. Like emailing Robyn, they're
like, we have a client list that's really just emailing
Robyn. We've got a sale, We've got a
sale. Oh my.
Gosh. Jesus, I can't believe we didn't

(01:03:19):
see some Sister Wives closet jewelry hanging on a.
Not after their exclusive wholesale deal with guilt on
Silver Lake. Silverton Silverton.
I love how I can barely even saythe name.
After the mothers in law and Kody experienced this gift of
retail therapy together, they head over to Market Grill Cafe.

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They're a party of 6 for lunch
and Market Grill Cafe. If they do have a knack for
picking up those restaurants that look like it could have
been a tgi Friday's or a Olive Garden that defunct and then
they put up another sign and now it's a different place.
It totally had that vibe. I'm just surprised it's not some
Americanized Mexican joint. So exactly, we're at a Market

(01:04:05):
Grill cafe this time around. Because you want to know why?
Why these mothers in law probably don't have the knack
for spicy foods. Oh no, you can't put too much
spice on anything. Not even too much pepper.
You know what I would say about Market Grill Cafe?
It probably has a great club sandwich so high you can't put

(01:04:25):
it in your mouth. Like so many layers of bread and
Turkey and tomato and bacon and lettuce.
They probably make a good Rachel or Reuben.
Oh, you know, there's a good Rachel and Reuben there.
Absolutely. On mixed rye bread.
I know it's like I can't have my bread be too spicy.
Need some rye bread? God.

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As they sit down for this beautiful lunch, this gives the
mothers in law an opportunity to ask Kody about being in the
new homes and being closer together.
Kody says the kids have adjustedquickly, but that his wives are
still adjusting. They're trying to join their
ideas together to make a family mission statement.

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We get a little quip sidebar here from Bonnie.
Bonnie says I don't think peopleunderstand the responsibility a
man takes on in plural marriage.
Thanks for that, Bonnie. Well, after she fills her head
with those delusions is the perception of most of the women,

(01:05:30):
particularly someone like Bonnie, who has such a strong
calling to the faith that the men really do have so much.
Because I'm wondering, you know, we have this experience of the
Brown family, but let's say with her husband and her sister
wife or wives and all of their children, I guess she does only
have one sister wife. Based on Kody's previous math,

(01:05:52):
does she really feel like her husband has so much work and so
much obligation more than herself?
Does she feel as if that is a culturally wide thing that the
men you know, do, they usually seem more stressed and obligated
than Kody does? The men are supposed to be the
leader of the family and they're not supposed to take on

(01:06:12):
another wife unless God tells them that they could handle
it. And they're supposed to be the
leader of the family, the prophet of the family that's
guiding them and getting them totheir celestial place in heaven.
So I think that the women truly
believe the men are prophets, God like and carry the burden of

(01:06:38):
the family and they are there to serve the men.
And I think they believe that the man is the keeper of the
family and Bustin has asked for the family.
And I think that they truly think that.
And as we've seen over time, Kody gets out of doing his tasks

(01:07:01):
by going house to house. So the wives have to do the
labor on their own. I think that's probably not the
case in a lot of households where they can't afford multiple
homes maybe, or where the women are more subservient.
And I feel like this is a different dynamic, which is what

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Colleen and the other ex members of this cult are saying, is
that this is detrimental to people that are still in this
cult because you're creating this false narrative.
And that's why they're so against the Browns and being out

(01:07:43):
like this, because they're creating this false narrative of
what is really, truly happening in most of these homes, right?
You know, they're all delusional.
So, I mean, I don't know why I'm trying to like, wrap my mind
around it. These people are literally all
delusional. So they're all different sects,
right? So each sect is slightly
different. So broad brush strokes.

(01:08:04):
Oh, we're broad brushing the Browns and we're broad brushing
the AUB members. Damn.
Bonnie also says it's important for them to all be heading in
the same direction when talking about Kody and his wives.
That they all need to be going in the same direction.
I also thought it was funny because Kody says they're
looking to ratify their family mission statement at their

(01:08:24):
upcoming family event. Once again, not saying the
commitment ceremony, a family event.
And I have to give him credit for bringing another word into
my vocabulary in a way that I never thought I could use it as
ratify, because I'm going to have to ratify my mission
statements more regularly. Annie starts asking some hard

(01:08:44):
hitting questions. Annie asks what's so different,
Why are things not working? What about the wives and the
dynamics is not what you were expecting this to be?
Kody says. We work together, we have a
business together and we're raising children together and

(01:09:06):
yet I still don't feel like we are as close as we could be.
Now, honey, the only correction I have for you is that, he
said. I still don't fill like we're as
close as we could be. Oh.
Please use the correct pronunciation of Phil.
Oh my goodness, I'm so sorry. Annie is the one here that is

(01:09:26):
really leading with a line of questions that are probably what
we are all thinking, you know,asking about the use of their
mission statement and how they are going to move forward and
what is he expecting? And he's just given some word
salad, blah, blah, blah. And he continues her line of
questioning, asking are they notworking on things as you

(01:09:47):
expected? And what stood out to me in her
questions she's asking Kody is she's framing up most of the
questions about the wives and their relationships.
She's talking about them. And he keeps including himself
in the framework of all of his responses, which is so Kody, of
course. Yeah, Annie even says.

(01:10:09):
Are they bringing up things thatthey thought they'd already
worked through? Right.
So she's bringing up, I thought that you guys had worked through
some of these issues, our pastissues rear in their ugly head
again, what's happening here? What happened to all your work
with Pat? What happened to your long
weekend in Sedona? Yeah, they've had.

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And I'm sure Christine, you know, we're only seeing glimpses
here. She's probably been brought up
to speed with some of the thingsthat are going on.
She knows where they are. These are the questions you
would be asking. She seems to be like Christine
and the fact that she's not burying her head in the sand
when it comes to some of this and Christina's shared this and
she's trying to ask the hard hitting questions and Kody does

(01:10:52):
get real in this moment with his answer.
He says. I don't think we're really
dealing with our issues. Thank you for enunciating the.
Dealing I had to there. I'm so sorry I missed it
earlier. So, Siri.
You don't think you're dealing with your issues?
Didn't we just watch an entire episode?
Didn't My Sister Wives podcast just come out with two fucking

(01:11:13):
episodes about your marriage counseling on Red Rock?
Hello. So there's obviously a
disconnect here. That's what she's trying to get
to Kody. He says he's more aware of it
now with them moving close again.
But it's always been an issue. I've always felt we aren't as
close as we should be in Sedona.It became apparent to me that if

(01:11:37):
I passed, they wouldn't stay family.
Kody with facts getting real. He continues.
I would want my wives to stay together, but I can't demand
that. It has to be based on their own
relationships. This was one of my favorite
quotes of the episode and it wasso honest.

(01:11:58):
Him saying if I was to die I would want them to stay a family
and I can't plan that. It has to come out of their own
relationships. Well, it was one of the
realizations we agreed with in the last episode.
And he's just stating it here, hot off the heels of Annie
asking for a little more clarification because she's
reinstating. But now you live next to each

(01:12:22):
other like you're so close. Wasn't this the reason you're
together to do these things? Are you not putting the pieces
together here, Kody? Leave it to Alice Robyn's mom to
get us some hard hitting afterthis truth bomb, Alice says.

(01:12:42):
I think you're slowly working towards that place, it just
takes time and patience. Slow.
And she's tearing the the fake crying.
The fake crying and the slow talking made me think, you know,

(01:13:08):
Robyn's a knock off the old block.
The apple didn't fall far from that tree.
I love how everyone ignores her.Yes, she says this thing and
then everything just continues because it makes no sense.
Just like Robyn. Bonnie moves on and says you
aren't giving yourself enough credit.
Yeah, you have a beautiful family, a very beautiful family.
And then there's a couch moment

(01:13:29):
from Kody where he says that their adult relationships could
still be better even though he's acknowledging their praise.
Other than Annie, who's actually, you know, just asking
normal questions, the other ones are trying to reassure him
they're doing great. You know, your family's great,
you have beautiful children, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

(01:13:50):
The kind of like surface level compliments you would be giving
someone who is questioning their own mortality or their own
place in life. That's the vibes.
And he's saying, you know, our adult relationships still kind
of suck, so at least he's acknowledging that.
He literally says I'm looking for guidance and I think we can
do more. And they're not giving him Jack

(01:14:11):
shit. Yeah.
Annie is asking leading questions, trying to get more
out of him, trying to get him to come to some conclusions.
And these other grandma grandmas, Yeah, are grandma,
grandma ING and just. Oh, you're doing so great.
Oh, we couldn't ask for more, Bonnie says.

(01:14:35):
Oh, you have a united family, the older kids.
One of the older kids has even come to me and said how happy
they are that the young ones are now together and experiencing
what they experienced in Lehigh.
Just praising him. He's struggling here.
He's reaching out for help, he'sactually being real in this

(01:14:58):
moment and saying what he's struggling with, and he's asking
for guidance and you gave him more shit with picking out signs
than you are here when he's actually asking for your fucking
opinions. Sorry, but you're failing him.
And the two connects that I'm immediately having is the male

(01:15:19):
thing in their culture. Oh, you're great to be the man,
the God, the whatever, the prophet.
But then I'm also curious about them being on camera and how
comfortable they are with that. I kind of feel I got a little
bit of a vibe of, well, we're acquiescing, we're praising you,
we're on camera, we're in thisrestaurant, we're being filmed.

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I'm not sure that most of them
are really all that comfortable with it at.
This point, hey, guess what, we better keep sweet.
Yes, this is it. We're keeping.
Sweet. So there's cultural blah, blah
blah on this, but then also I think there's a little
production weight to it. I also didn't note any of the
details Bonnie said after this about the older kids and the
younger kids at the plague cul-de-sac.

(01:16:04):
But then I thought she might have listed a few shortcomings,
which I thought was kind of funny, but I don't remember what
they were. I think she just was saying you
do have things that you need to work on.
Everyone has things that they need to work on, but you need to
be looking at the bigger picture and you have a united family
and you're doing great. OK, Yeah.
So she's saying, well, everybody has things they need to work

(01:16:25):
on, but when you look at the grand scheme of things you're
doing wonderful darling, wonderful.
Even though he's kind of admitting we're kind of failing.
I could use some help here.
We're struggling. We're struggling like.
Yeah, it was an awkward lunch to say the least.
It sure was. We make it to the next day
finally, and we're at Meri's Kitchen.

(01:16:48):
It's a Mother's Day and Kody and the kids are making brunch for
all of the mothers. Kody admits.
I am not a cook. I'm the kind of guy that uses a
microwave. He does say microwave.
I'll, I'll give him that. They're all making breakfast,

(01:17:10):
him and all the kids, and they're going to do a buffet
style because what else would you do?
A seated dinner and have your children serve them?
I'm like, what are you doing here?
Do it. A buffet.
Kody is walking around the kitchen looking like an idiot.
The oldest kids are doing the majority of the work, and
there's plenty of moments that, you know, production left in

(01:17:31):
for us to see of him. Kind of dirt, dirt, dirt, dirt,
dirt, dirt. And as this activity is
happening at Meri's house, the moms are at Janelle's house
sitting around having a conversation.
And he does point out to us that it's nine mothers, which I
thought was interesting. There's nine moms, right?
So they've got the four sister wives, we've got Kody's mom, and

(01:17:53):
then the four mothers in law. That's a lot of moms to prepare
some food for. I've never made Mother's Day
brunch for 9 mothers. I think only a restaurant
probably has. Going like, I mean, as a gay
man, I probably would have served quiche.
So let's be real, that's an easy way to feed a lot of people.
Or you could go egg bacon. Call it quiche.

(01:18:13):
You know, half dozen of 1/6 of the other.
Lots of things going on here, lots of things plugged in.
We're making waffles, we're making pancakes, we're making
bacon, sausage, eggs, you name it, they've got it and shit hits
the fan when all of a sudden they pull a fuse.

(01:18:37):
Fuck. Well, that that's funny because
in this show, of course, that's not what happened.
You have Aspen going, Yeah, this isn't on the lights.
Not on. This isn't even making anything.
And Kody's like, he's like unplugging it.
Look. Oh, we must have blown a fuse.
And then as he notices, yeah, like, nothing's on and nothing's

(01:18:57):
working because he's actually not doing anything.
It's just all of the kids are doing all of the shit and this
is what's so. One of the children does
nonchalantly finds out that the plugins not working and fuse
has been blown well. Luckily, Kody, an ever leader in
the manosphere, decides he's going to go correct this
problem. But where does he go?
I. Don't know where would one find

(01:19:18):
a fuse box. I'm not sure.
I mean, this is the desert, there's not a basement.
So I wonder where he starts his journey.
Does he go to the garage? Does he go to Meri's Wet bar?
Where do you go to find the fuse box I wonder?
This bumbling idiot is going room to room looking for the
fuse box. He does go to the garage where I

(01:19:41):
would probably expect it to. Be that's probably the first
place I would look to if I didn't know where the fuse box
was in my own home. If you're anybody who owns a
home, anybody who lives in an apartment, anyone who has
electricity, yeah, you have to know where your fuse box.
Is oh he is so he's so dumb. They toured these homes being

(01:20:03):
built. How have you not even just
casually noticed where your own fucking fuse box is?
It's insane to me. It's not like it's going to be
different in each home either. No, these are all the same floor
plan. They've been here.
Well, over months, yeah. They moved in in Christmas time
and now they're going to college.
Oh, Mother's Day. Oh, May.
So it's May. They've been here for multiple

(01:20:25):
months. They've been here 5 months.
How do you not know where the fuse box is?
It's the same in every single one of the homes that you live
in. He finally finds it outside and
everything is labeled really well.
The builders actually wrote down where everything goes, which
doesn't happen a lot of the time.
To be honest. Our fuse box is a hodgepodge of

(01:20:46):
a bunch of shit and sometimes my husband will be down there and
he'll flip something and it's to complete.
Ours is a fucking train wreck. Yours is a mess.
So theirs was labeled very nicely.
I mean, it is a new build. That is one thing with your
house that I have actually been on a hunt with your husband to
try to figure out is where does this pipe even go and where's

(01:21:07):
this wiring like it is. Yeah, You know, a lot of people
did a lot of projects. They sure have.
Luckily, your husband. Is not continuing that grand
tradition in your house. Are you sure?
Oh, we can do it. We can do it like, oh, you can't
really make it worse. So here we go.
I haven't threatened during his neck a few times.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

(01:21:28):
He can do it himself, sure. Luckily, Kody is the hero of
this story. He finds his own fuse box.
Finally finds the fuse box, he gets that electricity going and
those waffles are back on track.
Maddie does have to take a break, though, to come get a
giant glass of water with ice out of the fridge at Janelle's
house. So she gets to take a little
travel path by the bombs and they're all going, oh, what's

(01:21:49):
going on over there? How's the brunch coming along?
And she says it's chaos. They're going well.
Is it normal chaos or more than chaos?
And she's like, more than chaos.
And they go, what is Kody like? What does Kody look like?
What is our big strongman? Oh, Kody.
What is he doing? What does his?
Face look like Christine wants to know exactly what his face is

(01:22:12):
looking like. Maddie does an impression.
Yeah, mimicking Kody's face, andit's funny.
Yeah, like the eyebrows crooked and the eyes crazy and whatever.
She does.
It's a cute moment. It's funny, we cut back to the
buffet being set up and we see our little truly, truly, truly

(01:22:33):
scrumptious and she's using an entire serving tongs to get one
slice of banana and she's putting the whole entire tongs
inside of her mouth to feed herself the banana.
She does use an entire black plastic tongue that picks up a
little piece of banana and shoves the whole tongue in her

(01:22:55):
mouth. And then not only does she just
drop the banana, but she's pulling the tongue out of her
mouth, letting it slide across her lips the entire time.
What's it there? And then, yes, of course, that's
what everyone's going to get their little banana slices with.
And it was a beautiful moment, we do.
Otherwise. I've got truly scrumptious.
Children are germ factories and everyone is sick all the time

(01:23:17):
when they have children. As you may have heard in the
last episode and this current one, I have been affected by
something similar by my own children's German germs.
Little germ factories. They sure are.
Cut to all of the mothers do venture over to Meri's house
because they must have been summoned that their brunch was

(01:23:38):
ready. Mother's Day brunch is ready. 9
mothers come on over from Meri's house to Janelle's.
And it is funny because when they do the exterior shot
literally production did a pan from like Meri's to Janelle or
Janelle's to Meri's and it was like OK they're literally going
from one house to another. God bless on the Pligdesac, the
compound, or as Kody calls it, their property.

(01:24:03):
The C word. And after they arrive, you know,
they can't just dive into breakfast because they are a
spiritual family. They are a religious family.
They are a family that believes in what their cult says.
So Kody is going to lead their family in a speech slash prayer.

(01:24:24):
Not quite sure what it was. It's just Kody talking to the
family, at the family. Some heartfelt words.
He starts by saying in our hearts we feel devotion and I
blacked out because he's crying and all I could see was his
face just, well he was kind of like tearing up and I'm not

(01:24:47):
going to lie, it was sentimental.
It was actually a really nice moment so I was paying attention
to the faces as opposed to shit I know he was just spewing.
Yes, you were feeling the feels,
honey. Yeah, it was a bit odd because
there was not a lot of room. You could tell around all the
people gathered around. He's giving this speech, and
although the home is big, there's a lot of people.

(01:25:09):
So the camera angle was not necessarily pleasant.
It was a little off and down. The sun was coming in on him.
It was a little weird to watch.
He's getting emotional, talking about his appreciation for the
mothers, you know, he's tearing up and how everyone's, you know,
oh, mothers, you mean so much.And someday someone's going to
say something and you're going to think of your mother or what
your mother means or blah, blah, blah.

(01:25:30):
It was a lot of, you know, fill in the blank.
But it did feel like he was maybe having a genuine
appreciation moment for his mother, how his wives are
mothers to his children. You know, if he was a normal
human, that's what you'd be thinking.
And maybe he was. He uses the word devotion and he
is using it that in their hearts they feel devotion

(01:25:52):
towards God, whatever their being is that they feel devotion
towards. And he feels devotion towards
his wives and everything that they have done for him and given
him. And it was a touching moment.
And you're right, that light was just coming in and it was just
making him look like he was lit from above and within, and he

(01:26:17):
was proselytizing and it was magical.
I would call it overexposed, but yes, I mean, don't make it
seem like it was a postcard or once again, another fucking
Disney thing where the lights coming in and he was touched.
It was just too bright. But Amen.
Everyone starts serving themselves this brunch.
You know they're going through the line.
Everyone's picking up those truly tongs, picking up things

(01:26:38):
with the truly tongs. We go to the couch where we have
all of the wives and they are essentially talking what some
might call shit about their husband.
Yeah, trash in a loving way. Oh.
Of course. Christine says God bless him,
he's an idiot. Robyn, are you talking about

(01:27:01):
Kody? We can bond over his silliness
and his ridiculousness. Yes, it's best if we just laugh
at his antics, don't you know? Robyn gives us a gem here and
she says your husband should not be who your identity is.
You should not hinge everything and your value on what he

(01:27:25):
thinks of you in regards to something her mother must have
said to her once, long ago, as she looked longingly to her
father she couldn't claim as herown.
Yeah. After all, Alice did tell her
your husband is just a man. Just a man, darling and.

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You can't hang your value on what a man thinks of you.
It's funny because the advice overall, in a nutshell, is not
bad or it's not wrong. Like, yeah, you shouldn't base
your value on what a man thinks of you.
Amen. It's just that it's
unfortunately, disgustingly wrapped in an Alice and Robyn

(01:28:07):
shell and it's just gross. It's just.
Gross. Like do we believe that that is
truly what her mother has told her and taught her over time as
she is constantly manipulating this man to get his affection
and make him want only her? Do we think that is what she was
raised to believe? I don't know.

(01:28:28):
I was thinking, well, that's a great way to wrap up a
manipulation tactic, but whatever you got to say, Robyn.
Yeah, well, those children have
gotten their fill of this brunch buffet and they're going to
scurry along on their merry way and go to Kids Town or wherever
the fuck they go when the adults are all alone.
Dusty Backyard They all got their fill of truly's germs and

(01:28:51):
now they're off to play in the backyard.
And we have all of the mothers and Kody in the living room and
they're conversing and they're going to have a serious
conversation here that is not contrived whatsoever.
No. And Meri starts by asking what
each mom has learned by living plural marriage.

(01:29:14):
What has helped them grow and be a better sister wife?
Oh, I'm having flashbacks from that time when Kody ran around
and said we've got questions to answer organically.
It has a similar vibe. Ringing to the dinner bell
Questions Questions from our followers.
And after Meri asked this touching touching question,

(01:29:35):
Alice said blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
blah. I did not give one flying fuck
what Alice said. Did you care at all what Alice
said? I I don't know if there was
anything. She says can you love someone
who is less than perfect and still love them?
It's taught me a lot. You have to learn to love

(01:29:57):
someone who's less than perfect and continue to love them with
all of their flaws, just as I have learned to continue to love
my Robyn after all of her flaws, including her divorce and
premarital sex. Oh, Alice, you know that pretty

(01:30:17):
much is what she said. And that's why I was going blah
blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.
And then Bonnie, Bonnie Meri's mom, chimes in and goes blah
blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.
Everyone's still an individual in their own way, even when
they're in this type of family situation.
We're all individuals. Oh yes, that was a good kernel
to take away from Bonnie. I'm so sorry that I lumped you

(01:30:39):
in with Alice in the way that I did your voice, but it was
along those lines. It was just like ba ba ba ba.
Well, I hate to break it to our listeners at home and to you,
honey, but Bonnie's no longer with us, so your apology is felt
on deaf ears. I mean, if you believe in Sky
friends, she's all around us and she's listening as.
We still listening to us. She is don't.

(01:31:01):
Haunt me? Yeah, Bonnie.
Love you, Bonnie. I love you, Bonnie.
Yeah. I don't know why I'm shortening
everybody's name. I'm like Bon Rob.
Hey, hey, hey, we didn't make fun of your thinning hair.
Please don't haunt us. Thank you for that, honey.
Sorry. It was beautiful.

(01:31:21):
It's really good. It's totally one of those
moments where you're not bringing up the thing you're not
bringing up and you're pointing out you're not bringing it up.
I love that. I love that I.
Just really don't want to be haunted.
You've always told me. Well, now let me take that back.
You recently told me that one of your biggest fears is being
haunted by the ghost of Bonnie Meri's mother.

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So, you know, we've got a lot of big fears.
It is. There's $1,000,000 studio that
we're in. I'm going to have to call upon
my Catholic roots and get a priest up in here, get some sage
because I brought up something I shouldn't have brought up.
And I'm not even going to say it again because I won't put that
curse on us. Thank you this.
Will not be our cross to bear Go.

(01:32:02):
Hunt those other people that make fun of that.
Curse on them here. Oh God.
So as we're going through the mothers in law, right, we had
Alice saying blah blah blah, Bonnie saying blah blah blah.
Then we get to Janelle. So I guess I'm not, well,
mothers in law. Plus mother Janelle talks about
wanting to live in plural marriage and how she had no idea

(01:32:23):
the pain it would create. Which gives an opportunity for
the camera to pan over to Cheryl, her sister wife, who
says it was hell. And then kind of chuckles, which
is a little odd. I'm like, OK, especially because
Cheryl also looks like she's on the verge of tears while

(01:32:43):
chuckling. And then we have a cutaway to a
moment where Janelle, I think it looks like she's in Meri's
dining room. So I think after this scene,
they must have pulled everyone into Meri's dining room to have
their one on ones, you know, their confessional moments.
And so we get a one-on-one moment here with Kody's mom,
Janelle. Janelle says that Cheryl was

(01:33:05):
good at business and she was able to help with the business
in a way that Janelle was not. So she spent a lot of one-on-one
time with Kody's dad and I was for the first time extremely
jealous. We cut back to Cheryl and Cheryl

(01:33:26):
says I really felt that there was not much room for me in the
family. I wondered why, Gee whiz, why am
I here? Why was I doing this?
And a fresh reminder for those of you who are just joining us
halfway through the episode, Cheryl is the one who married

(01:33:50):
Janelle's husband, Janelle, who is Kody's mom, Cheryl, who is
Janelle's mom. Our sister wives.
My God, this family. It's so hard to keep this shit
together. Cheryl Gee Whiz.
Gee whiz. Why was I doing this?
Yeah, Cheryl, Gee whiz. Remember, remember when we

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first, I don't know if it was when we first met Cheryl, it
might have been, but she was the one standing outside of the
home when we were at the rentalsand she was talking about
something to camera and we were laughing.
It was when I feel like it was the episode where it was you
made a joke about Meri giving Janelle CPR or something for
coming in and it was like she was standing outside and she had
some sort of maybe about the caramels.

(01:34:34):
It was a joke about the caramelsand she has some sort of crack.
I don't remember what it was.
Sorry you guys. Well, I don't know if I'm the
greatest at it, but I'll try. I'll try.
That's what it was and we got a kick out of it, even though
telling it now it's like, OK. G Wiz, you guys are.
Cool. They all have this, like,
glossed over a look where it's like, yeah, they're all like

(01:34:58):
verge of tears, half tears. In this conversation.
Shaky voices, Janelle says The pain came from too much selfish
self centeredness. And I thought plural marriage
would bring about some perfection.

(01:35:20):
What? I don't understand the context
of that at all. You would, you thought you were
being selfish and you thought that plural marriage would bring
about some sort of perfection. Is this a call to you thought
that you should let go of your selfishness and plural marriage
would allow you to do that and get closer to God and closer to

(01:35:43):
heaven? That's what I'm taking away from
that. It was a very weird statement to
make. It's backwards to me.
I would think, gosh, I got into a plural marriage and realized
I was being self-centered. But she says it backwards, that
she was selfish and self-centered and thought a

(01:36:06):
plural marriage would bring about some perfection.
So she thought that plural marriage would make her a better
person. And I suppose that's what
they're taught, right? It seems very surface level or
just like not multidimensional.
Just I thought that plural marriage would make everything

(01:36:26):
better and everything would be great and everything would be
fine. Turns out I was a selfish
person. Were you a selfish person?
Or was it that getting into plural marriage was challenging
and therefore you might have felt selfish because someone was
challenging you and things were difficult?
I mean, a little hard to follow.My editorial note on the entire
rest of this conversation, perhaps except for Annie, is

(01:36:48):
these people are saying a whole lot of nothing.
There's a lot of nothing being said here and a lot of feelings
that are not deep, are not connected, and so buckle up,
we're going to have more of it. Christine chimes in and goes.
What changed? Cheryl says.
I'm not sure this is what I'm telling you.
They say so much nothing here. I'm so sorry you guys, Cheryl

(01:37:12):
also says. But in my prayers, I heard this
is where I'm supposed to be. It takes a lot of effort and you
have to be very committed to know this is what you want to
do. And she is full on crying while
saying this, right? Full on crying at this point.
So she doesn't know what changedand she doesn't know where she's
supposed to be or what she's supposed to do.

(01:37:34):
But her prayers told her this iswhere she's supposed to be and
what she's supposed to do. OK.
What in the actual fuck and why should it be this hard and why
should life be this hard and whyshould you be at this point in
your life a grown ass woman and adult ass woman here at your
child's house having a Mother's Day brunch and still be this

(01:37:57):
upset about it? About things you can't even put
into words. Not that you can't harken back
on things that have happened in your past and still have feels
about it, but this still seems so raw and real and weird.
Yeah, and things that have hurt you in the past that you have

(01:38:18):
grappled with, learned from, apparently prayed over, heard
voices tell you about, and you can't even clearly articulate
what it is that's even happeningat all or what you've
experienced. It's very bizarre.
It's not like these are happy tears that you have had this
revelation and I'm having happy tears because we spoke to God.

(01:38:42):
We had this come to Jesus momentand we've realized that this is
hard work, but it's worth it. And this is everything that our
life was meant to be and supposed to be.
No, it was a challenge. It takes a lot of effort, and
you have to be committed if thisis what you want to do.
Like, OK, Cheryl, I'm not even trying to talk shit about these

(01:39:05):
people. It's just strange this entire
scene unravels like this, Janelle says.
It had to come from me and not expecting everyone else to
change. OK.
I mean, that's a shared experience of recognizing that,
yeah, your change for yourself is going to come from you and
not other people. That's all we're going to get.
That's it. Had to come from me changing and

(01:39:27):
not expecting everyone else tochange.
Yeah. Where have we heard this
sentiment before? Meri says this to Christine.
Yeah, yes. In like the second season.
God, when was? That no the fourth season.
Yeah, whenever it was when she'strying to tell.
Her laundry on the bed and Christine's unhappy and Meri's.

(01:39:47):
That's right, Meri's leg was up.
You've got to work on yourself.
You can't change Kody. You can only change yourself.
You can change your outlook on this.
It's when Meri had the leg braceand we were making fun of her.
If we're having her leg in the thing and she's laying in that
bed being like Christine, the only thing you can do is manage
yourself and it's like. Right.
We've heard this sentiment many.Times simplification of what we

(01:40:11):
all should know and figure out especially.
I'm sorry. Like you said, if you're a
grandmother, you are an elder and a family.
You're here being celebrated as a mother of more than one
generation, basically. I mean, you're a grandmother.
You're a matriarch of your family and you're spewing the
same shit about how your husband's not going to change.
You can't change him, but you can keep sweet and change

(01:40:32):
yourself and your own outlook. What about growing to together?
What about changing together and
growing as a family and learning to evolve?
I don't know. Yeah, yeah.
This whole thing is garbage. This whole conversation's
garbage. It.
Is and not only is it about the husband, but about each other,

(01:40:54):
because we have sister wives of an older generation than the
sister wives at the show is about sitting in this room
spewing the same shit, the nonsense.
It's like, oh, it's about blah, blah, blah, and it's yada,
yada, yada. And it's like, what?
We're not even learning anything about your interesting
dynamics that could be applied to other people.
OK, so Cheryl was good at business and Janelle was

(01:41:15):
uncomfortable with it. Janelle shared that that was an
actual thing that happened. At least we got that.
But the rest is just a bunch of hocus pocus.
It's nonsense. You are this old that you're at
this point in your life. You're still trying to sell this
make believe dream and it's not doing anyone any favors and you
seem so unhappy still. I will never understand how

(01:41:41):
someone can just let their life pass them by and be this
unhappy. It's a cult mentality.
They've been brainwashed. They're in a cult.
That's all. I can think about this because
they don't seem happy, and it's so sad to me to let your life
go by like that. We live in an amazing,

(01:42:03):
wonderful, crazy world where all these things are possible.
Well, is it just that these people are all about the eternal
Kingdom? It's all about everything.
In the future, it's some. They're not about living in the
here and the now. Here and now and their own
experience that they're having right now.
They're not going to enjoy being on the planet because all

(01:42:23):
they're thinking about is the celestial Kingdom beyond where
we're at currently. They're living in the future.
They're living in this hope and dream.
It's so weird to me. It's so impractical.
I'm even having a tie back right now to earlier in the episode
where Kody's asking almost for specific advice on what he can

(01:42:43):
do for his relationships with his sister wives.
And they're like, well, your children are great and
everything's beautiful. Your family's wonderful.
And it's like, this is not even real world practical advice at
all. Like what are you doing?
It's. Not helpful.
Cheryl continues. Oh my God, you guys, brace
yourself. We're, we're, I was going to say
we're going to get somewhere. We're not It's.

(01:43:04):
More of the phony quoty things that are.
Where there's almost, there's a kernel of truth in there, but
how are you going to find it? What are you going to do with
it? They can't tell you this, Cheryl
says. To build relationships that are
worth wild and lasting, you have to work on it brick by brick,
day by day, and listen to the Spirit and just really develop

(01:43:30):
unconditional love for one another and accept one another
for who you really are. The hallmark sentiment of this
Amen. You know, accept each other for
who each other are. That does make sense.
But what does it mean to build brick by brick, day by day, and
listen to the Spirit? How do you get there?

(01:43:51):
Yeah. What are the steps?
Yeah. What are the bricks?
What do you really do for each other, or what do you do for
yourself? Tell me how to do it brick by
brick then, bitch. I guess the.
Give me the bricks. Tell me how to build it.
That's what I'm asking for. Jesus Christ.
The one kernel I can take from this is accepting in one another
for who they really are, knowing that you cannot be responsible

(01:44:14):
for someone else changing. That's fine.
That's an eloquent way of putting the last sentence of her
paragraph of bullshit. We cut to a moment where
Christine tells the story about being surprised and shocked
when her mother, Annie left whenshe was 19.
She left and it was the most devastating thing in Christine's
life. It was hard for her to trust
after that. I have torn Christine apart for

(01:44:36):
this in the past and I'm going to fucking do it again.
I don't know if it's a cult thing.
I don't know if it's me being an insensitive asshole.
You know, a leader of the manosphere, but when you're 19
years old, your mom divorces your dad and it's the most
devastating thing in your life and it's hard for you to trust.
After that, I'm going, why at 19 years old, didn't you have
more of a life of your own? Like what is going on with these

(01:44:59):
people? I understand that it would suck
and it would be challenging and you'd have feels, but my God,
it's the most challenging thing and it's hard to trust.
After my mother left, my father, the mother who volunteers, and
you have volunteered that you had a good relationship.
She's been perfectly fine. You guys are great.
Like, you've worked. You've worked work things out,
but it's somehow the one of the biggest things that happened in
your life is that your mom divorced your dad when you were

(01:45:20):
19. I mean, you are you, you have
divorced parents. I don't, my parents are not
happy every fucking day. It's not like it's a storybook,
but I don't understand how you're 19 years old and your
life is torn apart. You're in crumbles.
I think in the book she talks about being depressed for like
months and like all of these terrible things.
And it's like because your parents got divorced and you

(01:45:40):
were 19. I think it has more to do with
her being shaken by the fact that her mom isn't believing in
their faith anymore. OK, that.
Makes sense that they had sold this idea to her, this dream to
her about plural marriage, and then all of a sudden her mom is
extricating herself from plural marriage and doesn't believe in

(01:46:00):
it anymore. I think it has more to do with
the fact that she thought her mom was best friends with her
sister wife. They pulled the wool over her
eyes. They probably lied to her and
she was living with rose colored glasses.
Were there probably warning signs as in everything?
Probably. But do you think they hid it
from Christine? Probably because that's what

(01:46:23):
this religion does. They lie and they hide.
So I can see where it would be devastating for Christine.
My situation, I was, thank God.
Thank God. When?
Why didn't you do this earlier? I would have preferred that you
did it when I was still living at home because Jesus fucking
Christ, everybody knew and wise today with this thing for the

(01:46:47):
sake of the children. But why do people say that your
kids are better off seeing their parents happy and seeing
their parents in a healthy loving relationship and not
fighting. And I love my parents, I do, I
truly do. And I know they were doing their
best at the time. I get it.

(01:47:09):
They did the best that they could do and I can only hope my
kids give me that much grace when I'm older because I know
I'm going to fuck up too. But I just think that this
disgusting, warped way that this religion lies to everybody is
even worse. You know, like my parents kind
of lied in a way staying together.

(01:47:29):
Everyone knew it was this false narrative, but her parents
didn't even allow the cracks to show is from my understanding
of this, which is scary as a 19 year old.
And you're going off and you're thinking that you're supposed
to be getting married now. You're supposed to be getting
married young. You're looking for a husband.
You believe that plural marriage and you've been taught plural

(01:47:51):
marriage is what you're supposed to do.
And then it's like the rugs pulled out from under you.
So I do give Christine grace in this.
And I think she probably had a really hard time with it.
What I hope Christine saw at the time of filming this, and see
is now, and I believe she does, is that her mom deserves to be

(01:48:13):
happy. And her mom was just as scared
as she was and just as distraught as she was, Her mom
during this interview says. This is was the hardest time of
my life. I was listening to everything
outside of me, everyone outside of me telling me what I had to
be, who I had to be. I had to do this to be a good

(01:48:35):
sister, wife. I had to do this to be a good
mom. I always had all of these
outside opinions, these outside things telling me how to live
my life. And I didn't need to be told how
to do my life. I was inherently a good person.
I loved, loved God. I loved my family.
She is defensive during this moment and still trying to sell

(01:49:00):
the reason that she had to leave and it's sad and she deserved
to be happy. And I just think that Christine
and her mom's relationship, I, I see what's going to happen in
the future for the Browns here, coming up with the moms and the

(01:49:21):
parting from the children and the breaks that are going to
happen in the family. And this is like foreshadowing
to me. And it's so painful to watch.
I don't know. I appreciate that you
highlighted in response to my question about my insensitive
question about Christine and maybe it's not so insensitive.
I just was going, I can't believe that this has been so

(01:49:42):
such an impact to you as a 19 year old, your parents splitting
up. You are right.
It is about the framework and the methodology and the
architecture of the life that she was put into and raised in
being shattered in front of her by her parents, her mother.
So I can appreciate that, and that's understandable.

(01:50:02):
I felt for Annie in her defensive responses here when
she wrapped it up by saying that she was overwhelmed all the
time by trying to please everyone else.
I know I'm preaching to the choir here, and I'm probably
preaching to the choir for most of the people listening to this
podcast. My God.

(01:50:22):
Pleasing everyone else all the fucking time.
And this is another level. This isn't some heteronormative
American 2026 story. This is called bullshit, like
another level. So I feel for Annie.
To your point though about her being 19 and what the fuck, I
agree with that to an extent because I think Christine has

(01:50:45):
lived her life so naively of her own accord.
To an extent because she's been Four Seasons now, slowly having
the Rose colored glasses fading away and still pretending
there's this Princess element and there is this I was raised

(01:51:10):
naive type of thing, right? But then at 19, when this
happened to you, you chose to continue to live naively.
So I do agree with you and the fact that she was a grown adult.
She didn't let it help her grow.

(01:51:31):
Right. She wasn't looking at it for
what was my mom thinking? What is my mom feeling?
I mean, maybe she was, but she was putting her own perspective.
She was being more selfish about
it. Yeah, and at this point in the
show, I don't know if she's 40.
I'm not sure how old she is, butthis bitch has been around.
She's seen these things. She was an advocate for trying
to keep people having a positiveperspective on the cult where

(01:51:53):
she had to hear. They just did a panel where she
was hearing people. Her aunt was saying hello like
she's been beat over the head, and I have a lack of empathy for
her, even as an empath for these things sometimes.
Because I'm going Christine, my God, you're a fucking person.
But it's OK, Chris, calm down. Yeah, I have a hard time with

(01:52:14):
her in particular because of herupbringing and realizing the
fact that she was raised more deeply ingrained in this cult
than any of the other wives and that she was truly lied to way
more probably than the other wives have been.
So I can understand this childlike thinking and this way

(01:52:36):
that she's kind of had to protect herself by living in a
non reality. But at the same time, she's had
multiple instances where she could have grown, she could have
decided that enough is enough and she hasn't yet.

(01:52:56):
So I have a hard time with her. And the polygamist royalty
thing, I've heard about this in many.
I've seen this in multiple facets with her where there
could have also been in her immediate family a protection
from the reality of the cult. Right.

(01:53:18):
They probably had more money than everybody else.
She was given privilege that no one else was.
She talks about some of the normality of her life in
comparison to someone like Colleen Snow that was just on
the show. She they had wildly different
experiences. So that does color her rose
colored glasses too. That's true.
There's different levels of thiscult.

(01:53:39):
There's different levels than when you're at the level that
her family was at. She is being lied to in a
different way. Yeah, yeah, probably a less
subservient way, but look at what the yeah.
I can here's within the sects based on the leader of the sect
and how it trickles down from there.

(01:54:01):
And she is the top tier, so things were different for her,
yeah. Her grandfather was literally
the leader of the AUB cult that they are a part of, so yeah.
I just listened to an audio bookrecently called The Polygamist's
Daughter by Anna Lebaron and Leslie Wilson, and it's about
the other half of Christine's family.

(01:54:23):
That's right, the guy who ordered her grandfather to be
murdered. And it's a very interesting
book. I would suggest listening to it.
There is problematic stuff
still. There's a lot of ideological
thinking. This person still is pretty

(01:54:44):
religious from my understanding of the book and how it ends.
But it's called The Polygamist Daughter, and you get to hear
about the different tiers. So it kind of goes into what
we're talking about and how at certain points in her life, she
was treated completely differently based on the family
she was living with at the time and the different mom that she

(01:55:07):
was living under at the time. So I think it kind of gave me a
little insight into Christine's background.
So I would suggest that book if you're interested in the
culture a little bit more. We have a couch moment where
Christine talks about her mom and her sister wife appearing to
be best friends as you were referencing.

(01:55:28):
Like, you know, Christine didn't really know what was going on,
but when her mom left, it was very painful for her.
Yeah, she was shocked because she thought they were best
friends, so she was shocked by it.
As would any child be. We find out I didn't know this.
Maybe we've found all this before, but we find out that she

(01:55:51):
didn't come to Kody and Christine's wedding.
They didn't know if she was safe or not and if she would try to
take their kids away. Yeah, Christine didn't feel she
was safe. Didn't feel she was safe.
Sorry girl, you know I'm hung up on that shit.
Kody's mom, Janelle, pulled them aside and told them that they

(01:56:14):
needed to involve her and they needed to put aside their issues
and they needed to not judge her due to her worldview.
And that they shouldn't withdraw a relationship with their
children from their grandmother.
And I think she emphasized that was, you know, yes, you might
have these differences you mightbe questioning, but you really

(01:56:36):
do need to allow Christine's momto have a relationship with your
children and to not be operating from a place of fear
based on her worldview. Annie says I was trying to find
myself and got lost for a long time.
I can only imagine how you wouldfeel leaving your entire family,

(01:57:01):
everything you've known, leaving your children, but
knowing that for yourself. It was what you had to do if you
were going to keep going. And she was lost for a long
time. Imagine your daughter reaching
out to you after that long and after getting married and

(01:57:25):
finally feeling that connection again.
I'm sure her mom was so relievedthat Christine was putting out
that olive branch. And this is kind of what I
alluded to earlier. What choice does she have but to
accept your lifestyle? She loves you.

(01:57:45):
She's your mom. And that is something that I
think any mom should do. Not that any mom would do, but
accepting your child for whoeverthe fuck they are because you
love them and you want them in your life no matter what that
means. Come on.

(01:58:06):
Well, and you're saying this, I don't disagree with you.
I'm curious what Christine's mother Annie's relationship is
to Christine's, not Kristen Decker.
Kristen Decker leaving the faith, blah blah blah.
We don't dive into their relationship on this show, but I
would be curious to know how close they are and if that

(01:58:28):
colored Christine's perception of what was going on, given some
of the language we've even heard from Kristen Decker
before. That doesn't mean that that's
what Annie was thinking or feeling, but I would assume
Annie and Kristen probably are kosher in some way, have
reconnected in some way. Yeah, yeah, I don't.
I don't know what that means, but that's maybe another element

(01:58:49):
of it. You would think if your sister
left the same cult that you left, you would reconvene and
thank God that you had each other and you could commiserate
together and share experiences.
So I can see why Christine wouldbe fearful that her mom would
want to take her children, especially if she's being told

(01:59:11):
behind the scenes, while they'reevil, they left, they are not
going to be with God anymore. And who knows what they were
being told, right? I can understand that.
I from a mother's perspective, no matter what capacity you can
have your child in your life, you would want them in your
life. So of course she's going to be

(01:59:32):
accepting of your religion. It's such a odd topic because
especially as a queer person, asa gay man, I immediately default
to the countless stories of children not supported by their
parents and not loved unconditionally by their
parents. Generally, this is a stereotype.

(01:59:53):
The mothers, maybe it's such a
storytelling trope, but usually the mothers are the one that
are going, are the ones struggling with that decision,
you know, are the ones going. I want to be there for my child,
but my spouse is a, you know, homophobic asshole and I have
to. Fall in line and I'm going.
That's something you should really be grappling with.

(02:00:14):
I talked about earlier how I would in the last episode or
something, I would get divorced from a man if he was telling me
I couldn't cosign for my child's student loans because I would
be like, you're making me choose between you and my child.
I'm going to pick my fucking child.
And I'm not a mother. I've never pushed anything out
of my Hoo ha. And so I don't really have a lot
of empathy for people that don't choose their child over their.
I don't either. I don't either.

(02:00:35):
It's a complex thing and I hear you.
It would be nice to think that every mother.
It's idealistic of. Me, you know, unconditionally
love their child and I. Me as a mom, that's what I am
going to be like. So that's what I will be like.
And I can't imagine ever not being like that for my children

(02:00:55):
and being there for them, even their friends, you know, I will
always aspire to be the mom that the children can come to
because I know how important that is.
And I just, I can't imagine I'vesaid this before.
There was a moment in the hospital after having my first
child where everything was quiet.

(02:01:17):
My husband was sleeping, my babywas sleeping.
No nurses were around. It was quiet in the room.
And I looked over through the clear bassinet that my baby was
sleeping in and I started crying.
And I just thought, how could any mother ever look at their
child and ever do anything to hurt them?

(02:01:39):
I'm going to tear up thinking about it because there's all
this stuff going on with LindseyClancy right now.
And like, I, I won't get into that.
And I believe in postpartum depression.
I've had it myself. So I do know that there is a way
that a mother can do that because they're out of their
fucking mind when they do it. But I just will always love my

(02:01:59):
children no matter what. I just felt for all of the moms
during this because regardless of the fact that they were blow
and smoke up our asses, you cantell that they love their
children. So what it comes down to is you
always think you're doing what's best for your child in
your own sick way, even if it's fucking wrong.

(02:02:19):
And it's hard to understand that.
It's so hard for me to wrap my mind around that, you know?
And I think we do need to move on from this Christine bit.
But one thing I would also pointout is I don't know if it's in
her book or in becoming Sister Wives or where it is, but she
talks about how it might even bein the show, how she at one

(02:02:41):
point had a closer relationship with her momma's sister wife
with her other mother than her bio mom.
And the benefit of that, I thinkit might have been even when
Isabel went to go stay with Merifor a day or two and let's like
whole like faux setup thing where she was like, that's one
of the benefits of having sisterwives is that your children can
have that safe space in that relationship.

(02:03:02):
When I as a mother can't have that maternal thing happening or
it's not the pieces aren't working or something not
happening. So Christine's, you know, I
don't want to dog on her too much longer, but it's just what
it is. I respect Kody's mom, Janelle,
for pulling them aside and having that hard conversation
with them because that was another mom moment where she

(02:03:25):
felt the need to step in and could feel for what Christine's
mom Annie was going through andyou know, did what she thought
was the right thing and tried toheal that relationship.
And so good on her for healing that relationship regardless of
the differences in religion because that's what it is all
about and that is what family isall about.

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We get more from Janelle here. She says we all have to be
humble enough to know that God loves every one of us.
So it would behoove you to remember that God loves
everyone. You not only got to say behoove.

(02:04:09):
Behoove.
Which I know is a highlight for you in this episode for sure.
But this was actually one of the kernels where it was like,
yeah, we don't need a whole lot of color.
We don't need the supporting details.
This is one that I can go totally.
We need to recognize that God loves everyone.
If you recognize that God loves everyone of us, then we need to

(02:04:30):
love each other. Yes, pretty simple.
Amen doesn't need a lot of complications.
Of all of the words salad, blah blah blah we got from them,
this one's thumbs up. Amen.
And I've got a new favorite word that I hadn't thought of in a
long time. Behoove behooves you.
We're going to wrap up this episode with a voiceover from
Kody. That's happening as there's a

(02:04:52):
montage of footage of the Sister Wives opening their Mother's
Day gifts. And, you know, Robyn at one
point pulls out that big giant, gigantic ugly clock and is
like, smiling. And it's hard to know if she's
actually happy about getting it.
It is a gift from her husband. Who knows?
It's always hard to tell with Robyn.
But this voice over from Kody goes a little something like

(02:05:16):
this. I don't want to spend my life in
unending perpetual struggle. I'm hoping the direction we're
taking will take us in a positive way for years to come.
It's not easy.
Any advice that the mothers in laws can give us will challenge
us even more. At the end, we need to be more

(02:05:38):
loving and forgiving. So even through this
conversation with the moms and the moms moms, there was a tie
in. You know, Janelle Kody's mom
kind of gave us that kernel at the end and it's reminding us
all that we need to be more loving and forgiving.

(02:05:59):
So I mean, I guess there was a thing to take away.
It is Sister Wives and this podcast is a shit show, so take
it for what it's worth. But that might be a lesson to
take away from what we've just talked about.
All this speak of the manosphere and feminism has me going.
I think it's about time that I get asked a question by you for

(02:06:19):
our final segment of this show.
What do you think about that? All right, Christopher, would
you like to start with shit stain or mustard seed?
My mustard seed for this episodeis going to Annie.
I know mine. What does it feel like, honey?
Damn. My mustard seed is going to

(02:06:41):
Annie Christine's mom leaving a cult and not young when doing
so. Having adult literal children,
being part of polygamist royalty, all the things going
against her, the constant being told who she needed to be for
her husband, for her sister wives, for her children.

(02:07:01):
I think a lot of people listening to this podcast, be
the mothers or not, can identifywith that.
We all feel that pressure and I think mom's wives, I was.
It's funny because wives is duplicated here with the sister
wives a bit, but mothers and wives having that pressure,
having that pressure without even being those.
But then that's elevated And then being in a cult and

(02:07:24):
probably having microscopes on you as a leader of the cult,
being married to a leader of thecult, you're an example.
Oh God, all the pressure and forher to leave.
Good for fucking her and overcoming struggles outside of
that and post that to have a relationship with her daughter
and her daughter's narcissistic husband to probably tolerate

(02:07:47):
Kody. Her line of questioning early in
the episode made me think she sees a lot of the reality here
and she's being a supportive mom.
A supportive mother-in-law but sees what's really going on and
is still showing up and still filming with this God awful
family so. Because she wants to be part of
her child's life and her grandkids life.

(02:08:08):
No matter what, she's going to be supportive so she can be
there for them. So Annie gets my mustard seed.
I'm not sure if I don't know what Annie's last name is.
I'm not sure that it matters. Annie gets my mustard seed for
sure. My mustard seed is going to
Janelle. She didn't do as much for me as

(02:08:31):
Annie did. However, towards the end here
when we found out that she helped mend the relationship
between Christine and Annie, that was huge for me.
Especially because she still is part of this religion and called
and encouraged them to bring her back into the fold.

(02:08:54):
Not a lot of people would do that, especially given the
circumstances in the cult like behavior.
So she is a OK in my book, you know?
Yeah. And she also was honest when it
came to the gift giving. I appreciated the fact that she

(02:09:16):
was one of well, she was one ofall of the mothers in law that
called out the gifts needing to be fair.
Yeah, she was the one that initiated that with Kody like.
I think you need to be. Fair.
So appreciate that. And she also gave us a story
about Kody being a little shit when he was a child and burning

(02:09:36):
his hands on the radiator and deserving it.
She all but said he deserved it and that he's still a shit to
this day. So love that for her.
She can admit that she raised a little shit and she still loves
him, but she's truthful. So yeah, she's going to get my
mustard seed and. She said the fair bit in the

(02:09:59):
store in, you know, Rod's building or whatever it's
called. Rod's work.
Rod works, Rod works. But there were also little
moments where she was kind of busting Kody's balls a little
bit. And I like that there was just a
little bits where she was given a little truth kernel
there that might not align with Kody's perspective on
everything and they might not have been big dulls, but I did

(02:10:20):
like that too. My shit stain this week.
Oh, excuse me honey, I think you're supposed to ask me this.
Question. Oh, yes, yes, yes.
Thank you. What is your shit stain this
week, Chris? My shit stain goes to Alice.
I'm not sure what her last O'Sullivan, probably Alice
Sullivan, whatever, you know, Robyn's had so many last names
it's hard to tell, you know, with all of the credit card

(02:10:40):
fraud and all of the alleged other things that she has done.
But Alice, you get my shit stain because as I referenced
earlier in the episode, the apple didn't fall far from the
tree and Robyn's chin is a knockoff the old block.
Alice's chin is not quite as pronounced.
Maybe it's because it's filled out a little over time, who

(02:11:03):
knows. I can't, I have no idea.
I don't know about biology or anatomy or anything like that.
Alice gave some sort of bullshit response to something and
pretended to cry while doing it, which is totally Robyn coded.
It's Robyn's life, it's what Robyn does.
And then she would chime in with nothing.
Burgers that led nowhere and gave us no insight and provided

(02:11:26):
no details into anything. So, Alice, while I didn't see
you committing credit card fraud, while I didn't see you
overspending at the store, while I didn't see you lying,
cheating, stealing, I do know that you probably participated
in some cheating. Allegedly, you're getting my
shit stain simply for giving birth to Robyn Brown.

(02:11:50):
You deserve it, Robyn Brown. Oh, you know what?
Also, Alice didn't look much like a bird.
And that makes me go fuck you because you should look more
like a bird. She looked like a budgie.
What's a budgie? One of those little fat little
budgie birds, although they are really cute so I don't know if
I would call it. Let's take that back.

(02:12:10):
You did look like a very unattractive bird.
Really attractive bird, one without a beak.
One that can't fly. Probably a dodo bird.
Perhaps a Penguin with the smallest wings and the most
rotund body and the lacking of the beak and no chin.
So where Robyn came from? Not sure.

(02:12:32):
But you definitely are the ugliest bird and you are my shit
stain. And your turn, honey.
My shit stain this week is going to somebody that tried to give
the entire family Ebola salmonella.
I'm not quite sure what their thought process was, if there

(02:12:56):
was any at all. It's going to go to Truly,
because how dare you take the serving tongs and serve yourself
up a little tiny slice of banana.
Pop it in your mouth. But not only pop that banana

(02:13:16):
slice in your mouth, you pop to the entire tongs into your
little tiny mouth. Oh my God And I love you so much
and I hate to do it but you're getting my shit stain because
you might have caused some more shit stains to happen after the
brunch because sharing them germs wasn't right, honey.
Oh my God it's truly even out of diapers.

(02:13:36):
She is so young and you are giving her a shit stain.
Girl, this is scandalous. This is scandalous.
You do realize that Truly's father didn't even know where
the fuse box was in his own home and you're giving Truly a shit
stain? My God, girl.

(02:13:57):
As someone who has been sick for well over a week now because
my children don't know how to cover their own goddamn mouths
when they cough and who try to drink out of every glass that
I ever have in the home, yeah. If I could give my shit stain to
my children for giving me this, I would.
So truly, if you gave anyone in that family a cold after that

(02:14:22):
banana slice incident, shame on you.
Shame on you. Wow wow.
I'm not sure if we've had a new low on this show, especially
because the way we ended our last episode was like the
weirdest ending I've ever had when recording anything in my
life. So you know.
I had to mix it up here and to be honest, that was shocking.

(02:14:44):
It was shocking. I do have to give the editors
kudos for leaving it in because it was the weirdest moment of.
It was funny, not going to lie.
It was really funny. And it just made me cringe so
hard and think, how many times has somebody in that family just
gotten someone sick doing something ridiculous like that?

(02:15:05):
Yeah, like lose sushi rolls, you
know? Well this I was going to say,
she's not even one of Janelle's children so she can't blame
Janelle for the sushi roll thing.
God. Just.
All convoluted. Bad protocol in the kitchens and
the Brown family. That's all I got to say.
Our keep sweet moment this week is a YouTube comment from Haley

(02:15:28):
other letters and numbers. So we're just going to go with
Haley cause Haley. Hi Haley.
We can say Haley on a rewatch of Season 6 Episode 8.
A wife decides Haley let us know that Silverton is also
attached to a bass pro shops. So for those of you not familiar
with Silverton or what we're talking about, this is a casino

(02:15:49):
apparently in Las Vegas, apparently that Kimber and I had
never heard of. And when we were making fun of
guilt, the gift shop inside of Silverton where the Brown
family's wholesale My Sister Wife's Closet jewelry is
available exclusively to the high end shoppers of the Vegas
Strip. I mean, off, off, off Vegas

(02:16:11):
Strip, who knows where it is. Haley lets us know that
Silverton is also attached to a Bass Pro Shops and it really
adds to the ambiance of the wholesale jewelry.
It sure does. Thank you Haley for letting us
know this detail. I never would have known myself
unless I had of course traveled there to get my sister wife's

(02:16:31):
jewelry wholesale from guilt inside of Silverton.
I feel like contacting them and asking them if they have back
stock of this wholesale jewelry and if we can have some.
Haley, thank you so much for that tidbit.
When I read that, it brought me so much joy in a weird way that
I don't even know how to describe.

(02:16:52):
Like literally very strange. I feel like actually when we got
that comment, we either texted or did something about, Can you
believe it? bass pro It totally makes sense.
And I feel like if Bass Pro Shops ever files for bankruptcy,
it's the Brown family curse and we get to blame them. 2027

(02:17:13):
Lookout Bass Pro Shops. Lookout.

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