August 27, 2026 • 64 mins
Part two. Tensions run high when the Browns stand their ground at a debate with outspoken anti-polygamists, including Christine's estranged aunt. Later, Meri and Kody receive some financial news that could affect Leon's college plans.
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Sister Wives is a TLC docuseries starring Kody Brown, Meri Brown, Christine Brown, Janelle Brown, Robyn Brown, and their family.
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(00:10):
What does the nanny do? OK, so we're done.
Goodbye. You shut it off.
Do not twist my words. Do not make me a victim.
Sweetie. Just look at the mountain.
That's what you saw. That day, just the knife in the
kidneys over all these years and the sacrifices that I made to
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love you. Where we left off on the last
episode was the Browns and the anti polygamist strolling into
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the teeny tiny miniature Assembly Hall auditorium for
this panel discussion about polygamy.
The highs, the lows, the dangers, the thrills, the
excitements, the love, the triumphs.
The editing on this was a little jarring because all of a
sudden it's like Meri's just talking.
(01:14):
Now what we realize is that we're going to get a little bit
of an introduction from each wife.
So they're going to go through them and give them each a little
sound bite. Do they make sense?
Is it helpful? Up to you to decide.
But that's where we are going, even though we didn't know it
while watching the episode. No, they give weird sound bites
during the entire panel. Yeah, we get bits and halves and
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pieces and they Franken bite this together.
It's very apparent when you're watching it that they're cutting
things out and piercing it back together, and it was a
little odd. Just want to let everybody know
that ahead of time. Not only is it choppy, but we're
getting only fragments of answers generally, not
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questions. So not even teed up, just kind
of volleying these sound bites back and forth.
And one of our favorite quotes is misappropriated, misused.
I don't even know. Yeah.
But like a Barnacle on a whale'sback, it's grown on all of us,
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and we all love it to this day. Yes, we get our first sound bite
from the intro of this show. Yeah, I can't believe I didn't
lead to put that on Part 1. What is wrong with me?
I've never watched this. I've never seen this before.
So you didn't even know? I didn't know and.
And I let down our dear listeners.
I was let down the lead up to this.
(02:44):
I thought this was going to be much more aggressive than it
was. Turns out Robyn's a fucking
faker as per usual. God damn.
Nothing new there. Nothing new there at all.
First we're going to hear from Meri.
We're going to hear a little bitabout her back story.
And Meri says when I was just a young baby, my mom was
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introduced to plural marriage and decided it was the life for
her. I did not know that Meri was
already born when brought into plural marriage.
That was interesting to me. I don't recall through Becoming
Sister Wives, their book or through other ventures that
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they've done or stories they've shared if we really learn about
her mom and dad's entry into polygamy.
But she was quite young when that happened.
Her parents were married. There wasn't really, as far as I
know, a salacious story about it.
They were, you know, whatever they were doing and then became
polygamous. There usually is a salacious
story involved, but not sure of the details on that.
(03:47):
Something happened. Then we hear from Janelle.
Janelle talks about growing up in the mainstream Mormon LDS
church. And then you know Janelle.
Oh, see, I feel like in the lastepisode, I just gave her a
mustard seed and I'm going to crush that mustard seed and
spread it on a Wiener because she just, she disappoints with
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her lack of truth. She just hurts me deep inside.
She says she met a guy, Meri's brother.
She doesn't say Meri's brother, but she met a guy.
And then through meeting that guy, she was introduced to
Meri's family and they became her token polygamist friends.
And I'm going, excuse me? What the fuck?
(04:29):
No, you married Meri's brother. You were part of her family, and
then you left him to marry herhusband.
That's quite a bit different than the story she gave at this
panel. So there's our big first lie at
the panel right there. Very, very odd way of saying
that, darling. I just don't know why she can't.
She's not being honest about it
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because they don't want it to color their story.
But it's blatant lies and it's gross.
They lie and. Then we get our little
introduction from Christine Brown.
Little Princess of Plagues. Yes, polygamous royalty, that
one. Christine says.
I was raised in a polygamist family.
I had two moms. What I didn't know was that I
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was raised in fear because we were told from a young age that
if people find out, our dad is going to get put in prison.
Oh Lord. My God, if they found out that
he was a polygamist he would be thrown in prison.
So apparently she didn't know that she was being raised in
fear. I guess most people probably
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don't know they're being raised in fear until they figure it
out. It's interesting how her
reflection seems a bit siloed at this point.
Oh, so you now know that you were raised in fear, but you're
not going to connect those dots to even.
To your own kids, having to do that to your own kids for years.
For years and years I know I I I trying not to tear her down
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too much here. Being raised in fear.
Fucking awful. Yeah, not good.
It changes you, obviously. It's scary.
How would you know you're being raised in fear until you're her
age now and decided to come out as a family?
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It's more disturbing yet again than they led on.
And Christine with her rose colored glasses.
It's a theme for her life as we know she references it in her
book a lot. She was just sunny disposition
optimistic Christine little bit in denial about the truth which
works for this family. Now we get a clip from Robyn for
her introduction and once again you guys friendly reminder that
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none of this is connected or really makes sense they.
Obviously cut the shit out of her quality.
Storytelling, she says. I fell in love with their family
and I'm very happy with my family.
We're not perfect, but what family is?
OK, interesting. That's your story once again,
production cut the shit out of it.
So who knows what her actual spiel was, but they just leave
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her with that It was. Probably worse than that.
That was probably the best that she said.
So they're like, that's what we'll keep.
I mean as we know her mommy was maybe Holly under duress
situation until they got married.
There we go, There we go. Plague mommy cheating mommy
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situation. Allegedly.
Allegedly. Allegedly.
Allegedly. Thank you, Legal.
So yeah. But now we can't hear from the
four wives without hearing from Kody as well, Darling.
And what does Kody share with the audience?
Kody says my experience with plural marriage has not been an
easy one. It has been a challenge for us
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but it has been a blessing and I'm lucky to have been able to
marry the women I love. Wow, how poetic.
Puke. I noticed here that Meri is
sitting right next to Kollene and Aspen and Logan are sitting
in the front row. Yes.
(08:03):
So we thought and we knew that Aspen was going to join, but
Logan is a surprise guest. We don't hear from him in the
episode. No, but they're there to support
their parents. We don't see him other than the
back and side of his profile. Obviously it's Logan and Logan
is sitting with Aspen. They're there to support their
parents. Good for them.
(08:24):
And I just want to make note about how they were giving him
shit about not being there for the family and being Mr.
Independent and he's too good for them.
You're right. And here he is now.
He does go to UNLV, but he's there supporting his family.
Like, fuck you people. And I think it was Aspen that
you gave the shit stain to that week.
And now she's sitting next to him in the auditorium.
I did. Aspen.
I hope you learned a lesson girl.
(08:44):
I hope you did, Darwin. He was right there next to you
in that front row, supporting your mom.
And like you said, with Meri being right next to Kollene,
they are right in the middle of the stage, right?
So it's Meri on one side, Kollene and then all the wives
on the other side, and all of the other anti plagues on the
other side of Kollene. I wonder if they put Kollene in
the middle there because she's the person that has seen them
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last or actually knew the family, or if they even went
that far as to think about that.
From a producer's lens, I would think that she might be the one
that gets the most combative, so that's why I would put her
there. But interestingly enough, as
we're getting these shots through the scene, Meri seems
very pleasant overall and almosthas body language of being
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totally cool. And she referenced she was not
nervous about this experience. She thought it was going to be
fine. And there's something about the
way that she glances over and looks at Kollene where it's
pretty nice and pretty open and welcoming.
So seeing Kollene be how she canbe next to Meri.
And then Meri's like, I'm just here, I'm cool, I'm mayor and
I'm like, OK, here we go, girls.We got we got Robyn on the end
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of the whole family getting saucy.
Oh yeah, she's at far. End Saucy.
Opening that big jaw. Yep, it's a big dill.
She's got the dill pickle jar and she's on the end.
She's getting saucy. We're going to hear from Willie
next about his experience. Willie says my experience of
polygamy was hell. When 1 mother was mad at
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another, instead of taking it out on the mother, she took it
out on the children. And then he says about his dad.
My father was never around and
when he was he wasn't a very decent person.
And he's like doe eyed and he's not even giving us much about
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his family. He's not saying when my father
was around he would hit us with the belt or he would do this or
that. He's saying he wasn't a decent
person. He's implying things that we're
supposed to, I guess make up or we're.
Supposed to infer. And it does align with his
whole, you know, cult upbringing coming into the world, You
know, the whole thing that we discussed before, clearly not
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comfortable with public speaking.
You don't have to be from a cult to not comfortable with public
speaking. But he's pretty reserved during
this entire thing. The bits he gives us are sad and
there's obviously a problem there.
You can just tell based on his face and his eyes though, that
there is more to the story. Way more to the story.
(11:20):
But to be fair for Willie, they we also don't get a lot of
juicy details from anybody in this panel, and it might be
because of the editing. We really just get some
salacious and some building confrontation and combativeness,
but I'm not so sure that we get a lot of details that we want
to get here. We'll see.
We'll see where the journey takes us.
Maybe a few more yucky, yucky things, but yeah.
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So as what happened with the Browns, it's going to happen
with the anti plague folk and we're moving on from Willie to
Christine Marie. And a reminder from our Part 1,
she is the brains and beauty behind the Netflix documentary
Trust Me, the False Prophet, which came out on Netflix
earlier this year that we highly recommend.
And Christine Marie, she does share more about her story than
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Willie did, doesn't she? I love how I'm like, oh, not
much gets shared and then it's like, Christine, Marie's going
to let it all out. Yeah, it's really sad, she says.
I thought I was the first wife.
Then he had a revelation that another woman was going to be
the first wife and I was going to have to financially support
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her and him. So I basically became a slave to
this sister wife. We break from her to see Kollene
again. Kollene has black makeup running
down her face, but she also looks perfect.
Still, she looks like a Lindsay Lohan music video from that era.
Her not waterproof mascara,
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yeah, is literally running down in a single line from each.
Like a triangle? Like a triangle, triangle down
to the skinny line. And it looked to me like stage
makeup. It looked like it was placed
there. It was.
It was actually gorgeous. I'm like gorgeous, darling,
gorgeous it. Literally looked like a scene
out of a movie where someone was supposed to be crying and we
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hadn't seen this before. They cut to her because of the
jarring editing. So she's sitting there looking a
little like I'm Kollene, You know what you're getting
yourself into. And then all of a sudden she has
this teardrop mascara going down her face and it's like, OK
girls, been feeling some feels and sharing some stuff.
And it's like, Robyn, that's what it looks like when you cry,
you dumb bitch. Oh snap, snap.
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Kollene shares that sister wives are not friends.
They hate each other and if they're your babysitter, those
kids are going to be beat and abused by those moms and her
kids. Like and her kids.
Yeah, remember we were just talking about Meri's
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embarrassing situation where she was saying please don't fuck
with these kids, and the mothers were defensive about that.
You take that another few steps further and you've got a mother
not only abusing a kid that's not her bio kid, but allowing
her children to do it. It's not hard for me to imagine.
It's very easy for me to imagine how that would get out of
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control. Oh, as a mom, that breaks my
fucking heart. It breaks my heart.
I don't know if I could if my husband and I both died in a
horrific flaming car accident and we had to leave our
children. I mean, obviously they'd be
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going to my sister and her husband.
I just think that they would do the best and closest job of
raising them. But do I know that they would be
treated exactly the same as my niece's?
No, and that fucking kills me inside.
If I ever died and my husband got remarried to another woman,
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do I think she would ever treat my children how I would treat
them? No, and I'd probably haunt the
motherfucking shit out of her. Well, she would deserve it.
I told my husband, I'm like, if I ever die and you get
remarried, it's not that I don't want you to be happy, but I
will haunt her because. Especially when she's getting
that good D girl. I'm just, I'm just scared that
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my kids will not be treated the same as other people's kids if
they're step or adopted or whatever.
I just don't know how that works because I can't put myself in
those shoes and it's scary to me.
And it's very sad to think of even another mom in general.
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I couldn't have the heart to beat another child if and if it
wasn't mine. I couldn't even imagine that.
But obviously these women are pitted against each other, So
what else would they do? The children are pitted against
each other. Everyone is pitted against each
other for the dad's affection, so we can only surmise that this
would happen. Yeah, the resentment growing,
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the anger being misplaced. When you think about in life,
you don't even have to be a polygamist to have your anger
grow and your resentment be misplaced.
And all of a sudden you're in this situation where it's
probably all magnified. You can be a stepmom and be
removed from it and not want to be fucking the ex-husband and
have this happen. Now imagine wanting to fuck the
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same guy. Right.
Of course it's going to happen.
Christine's aunt Kristyn shares her experience of taking on
another sister wife. And she says when my husband
married his second wife, my heart was broken.
And when they drove away on their honeymoon, I didn't know
if I was going to make it. And when they came back and I
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heard things, I thought I was going to die.
I was pretty much suicidal by then.
So she's talking about hearing her husband fuck his second
wife. Right.
When she says, when I started tohear things, I heard things I
can't even imagine. And you're supposed to be OK
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with this. And you're supposed to pretend
it's all hunky Dory. And while she was sharing this,
I kept thinking in my mind about how the Browns we're in a
trailer, when Janelle joined the family, and I guess maybe
even when Christine did. I don't know.
Details are a little hazy to me,but there's always this
implication of hearing through the paper thin walls.
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So these women sitting on this stage have probably all
experienced what she's talking about now.
Do they identify with being suicidal?
Couldn't say that. But they know what she's talking
about and they have their poker faces on.
They are sitting there doing whatever.
I do notice as this moves on, Christine does a lot of looking
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down, staring out, not really looking at the people that are
speaking. And I think it's because she's
processing that. That is actually my same
experience, but I'm not here to acknowledge that.
You know, I've got to come up with my rationales, my
justifications and what I'm going to say next, but I can't
imagine having my spouse come home with another person and
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having sex with them and I'm supposed to hear it and just be
keep sweet about it. Supposed to keep sweet.
And I can't even join in. I mean, come on, come on.
Well, with your background you'dbe knocking at the door being
like, don't hold out on me. Hello, here we go.
Now. But yeah, I mean it.
Oh. My God.
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Oh. Lord, my God, troubling at best.
If that's not your vibe, if
that's not your vibe, that's not good.
And Christine does, you know, jump in here to say something to
her aunt. Oh, we gloss over the suicidal
bit. Oh, of course, but we can't dive
into that. Yeah, can't talk about the
incest, can't talk about the suicide.
Moving on. And so when Christine has this
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opportunity for rebuttal, she says, Aunt Kristyn, I love you,
but I just don't know what I'm going to do with you.
I remember you so well. And I remember your husband.
And he was not a nice man. And she's trying to draw the
connection here of, OK, you know, you're talking about these
things that your nasty husband did.
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Well. I'm pointing out to you that
that makes sense to me because your husband was basically an
asshole. Meanwhile, as I was saying, she
has to identify with what her aunt is actually saying.
So it's just more denial and more rejection and more crazy
talk. And you know, of course, Kristyn
does respond to her saying, well, I'm so glad that you're
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happy, but your family's an anomaly.
And all around me are people whose stories are heartbreaking.
So it's it's weird too, because of it being the niece aunt
situation. They haven't seen each other in
so long. There's this situation going on
with them and Christine basically saying I hear you but
your husband was an asshole so I don't know invalidating her
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point. Robyn has to put her beak out
there, Robyn says. But you've also heard so many
great stories, too. And I'm going what the fuck, out
of nowhere and backed by who? Where is this backed by?
How is it that Robyn can even say to this woman straight faced
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you've heard a lot of great stories, Like why are you
telling me my experience of the stories that I've heard?
Like insane Robyn is so dumb. She is so dumb.
Hey, you're one against 5 bitch.
You're one. Family is five.
You don't know my life. You don't know my life, Robyn.
Kristyn says you know, Robyn, I've only talked to one person
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who's left who's told me they were happy.
And Robyn interrupts and says who you marry makes a huge
difference. Of course, of course it does.
Yeah, Robyn continues. I have a mother and sisters that
are so happy with their sisterwifes relationships and she
starts tearing up. The fake tears ain't coming.
(21:14):
The fake tears ain't coming. But you know, the voice does
wobble as if she might cry. Yeah, absolutely.
So, you know, she's her mother, who was potentially A mistress
who became a second wife, and her sisters, who I'm sure are
very happy in their polygamist relationships.
They all love what's going on intheir lives.
So hello, Kristyn. Haven't you heard the stories
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about my family? Like what the fuck, Robyn?
And then as we're moving on, of course Kody has to get the last
word in. He doesn't even have the fucking
microphone and he has to get the last word in and nobody is
paying attention until, Oh my God, no.
Kody speaks up. Kody says.
Our experience isn't your experience in a nutshell.
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Moving really solidified their points.
Then our professor Creepo says we're going to take some
questions our audience. That Professor Creepo, he really
is something. Of course the first question is
posed to Kody because he is thepatriarch of this family and the
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question is how many kids do you have?
Kody says 17. And so the question continues,
do you think you are emotionallyactive in all of your kids lives
as best that you can be? And Kody says I think I'm as
active in my children's lives asanybody I know.
Monogamist or polygamist. I'm once again wondering what
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the fuck are his wives thinking?I am honed in on Christine and
she is staring down at the floorwith that blouse that's all
scratched up under under her chest and she's got that
dangling piece of jewelry and she is staring down.
She is not reacting at all because as we know by this time,
there's no way she thinks thathe's active in their children's
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lives. They are literally remember he
does rock, paper, scissors and they don't even know that that's
his game. Like he is not.
He's not there and we don't. Remote by Rock, paper, scissors
Christine Marie says a quote somewhere during this question.
We're not really sure where
because they're cutting it so oddly, but Christine Marie says
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they're special overall, regardless of the culture.
It is filled with unhappiness, poverty, poor education of
children. I think she's just mentioning
here that, well, if the father is around, fine, obviously
Kody's around. But regardless of if Kody's
around or not, the culture is filled with unhappiness, poverty
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and poor education. Kody rebuttals It's unfair to
say polygamy is evil because evil has happened to you.
Monogamy also has evil. Other societies have evil.
Religions have abuse, non religious families have abuse.
It's like, OK, I mean, yeah, sure, I guess.
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And Kody points out how they're painting the Browns with a
broad brush of their own experience.
We get a lot of talk of this brush.
We get to hear about painting. A lot of painting, a lot of
broad brushing, a lot of brushing on experiences and
painting people. Kristyn says.
Well, no more than you are from everyone else.
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And Kody says, well, I'm not recommending plural marriage to
everybody. I'm simply asking the world for
permission to allow me and those who choose to do it to
choose this. Is where things get muddy
because we're about to hear one of our favorite quotes from the
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Sister Wives world. It's messy.
It's different. It's different.
It's different, Kollene says. We haven't directed anything
onto you. We haven't painted anything on
you. This is where I noticed the back
and forths are really buildingin their combative nature.
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People are talking quick after each other.
The voices are getting escalatedand Robyn says, yeah, you did,
Kollene. You said Sister Wives.
Kollene says. I said sister wives, not
indicating you guys. You said sister wives hate each
other, says Robyn. It wasn't directed at you guys.
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But you know what?
And then Robyn starts laughing and gesturing at the audience
condescendingly. She says.
Does the world know that? Do they know that?
Oh. My God, it's like.
Like we're all idiots. We were just told that these
people were going to share their perspectives.
The people in the audience know that they're sharing their
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perspectives. But Robyn is, you know, she's a
little below IQ, so someone could have easily reminded her.
These people are talking about their experiences.
Now, to be fair, they have said things like sister wives and
polygamists and the culture. So I, you know, there is a
little element to broad brushing, but it's just not teed
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up like that as far as what we're experiencing as viewers.
Kristyn jumps in saying, I think I should be able to share my
story just like you're sharing your story.
And then we cut to another question from a woman in the
audience. It's like this.
This totally makes sense. You guys, if you're following
along, God bless you. This is a mess.
It is all over the place now. This woman's question.
(26:37):
Oh, this woman's question. It is long and strangely worded.
It's a little hard. I don't know, honey.
Do you feel the that you have the personal strength to get
through this question? Kody, the way you increase your
tone of voice, the way the four women around you look at you
for permission. For me, as a woman, I have a
(27:01):
question. Meri's cackling in the
background. Meri Meri Laughing Meri Meri
Carey Carey. Continues Do you have the
financial wherewithal if you want to take money and if you
have to escape and leave Kody? Essentially she wants to know if
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you wanted to leave financially, could you leave?
And of course, Janelle responds saying I make my own money, I
have my own bank account. And the audience starts
clapping. It is kind of a, you know,
classic Janelle moment to where it's like, yeah, OK, she's
laughing at this thing, but. It's such bullshit though
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because Christine doesn't know how much money they're making.
If you've read her book, she admits that she didn't know
about the money and she got her like stipend of the money and
it's gross. It's interesting how if the
wives have different experiences, so the four wives,
it ties into the monogamist versus polygamist thing from our
(28:06):
last episode, where a wife can be called upon if her experience
doesn't align with the others to rationalize and justify a
situation. So yeah, Janelle has her own
checking account and she knows how much money she has.
So that just means that none of the other women have to address
that. They don't, or they don't know.
Or in Robyn's case, they're a fraud and stealing everybody
else's money, you know? Christine talks in her book
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about having to save money to the sides so that she can leave
and get a second place where she wants to live by her other
family in another state. So obviously she had to save
money. She didn't feel comfortable
saying to Kody or Robyn or Meri or Janelle, I need the money to
leave. Give me that money so I can get
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the fuck out of here. It's referenced so many times in
this show how Kody Tees up that if you're unhappy, you know
what? I'll buy you a house down the
road. I'll take care of you and your
children. You don't have to live with me.
And it's such bullshit. It's just this thing where it's
like, why would that ever even come up?
First of all, like, that's very bizarre, but it's this
overcompensation of just doing things right in your own home.
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It's gross. Also it's like bitch you're
already not living with me so I don't know what else you want
here. Like I want to be happy, I want
another life. I would rather be with another
man like that is the part that he does not get well.
When Meri jumps on the train here, I married this man because
I love him. I look to him because I'm
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anxious what he's going to say.
And I'm also anxious to get the mic because I want to say what I
want to say. So, you know.
Yeah, OK, You can say that I'm looking to him for whatever.
Well, I'm looking to him becauseI want to hear what he has to
say. And I love him, and that's why I
married him. And they do a cutaway to the
woman in the audience, and she looks.
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Pissed. So I think she thought she was
going to get him. You know, I'm going to ask this
question. And then it was like, girl, you
kind of failed and you actuallykind of teed them up to answer
the question. Well, I mean, not well, but to
answer it to a satisfactory level to someone.
And she's not happy about it. And then Christine jumps in
saying, I understand your concern based on stereotypes.
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And Kody has said, if money's holding you back, I'll give you
money to leave. You have your freedom, which is,
you know, a sumMeri of this whole thing that she's talked
about before where he's like, oh, I'll pay for you to leave.
I'll buy you a house. I'll take care of the kids.
Like, well, aren't we already doing that?
Except for kind of not. Yeah, Christine says.
Kody would say. Look, if you're not happy, I'll
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give you the money and you can leave, Christine, Marie says.
But you don't have the freedom to sleep with Kody every night
because you have to share him, right?
They cut away to a couch moment and Kody talks about getting
frustrated with where this conversation is going.
And of course they cut back. And Meri says, do you know how
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liberating it is to not sleep with your husband every night?
And there's audience laughter and applause and it's like she's
doing a bit of like comedic relief shit.
And it's like, girl, OK, we're holding on here.
We're holding on. We're holding on.
On the couch, they say that theythink things got heated and
passionate because they stopped addressing the public AKA the
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audience and started addressing each other.
So they started going back and forth with the plagues versus
the anti plagues and like literally looking and arguing
with each other versus answeringquestions and looking at the
audience. Yes, because even when they were
doing their back and forth before, they were clearly
addressing the audience, trying to be persuasive.
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Now we've entered this phase where they are just back and
forth, kind of yelling at each other.
And Kristyn responds to Meri by saying, you know, Meri, I don't
have to sleep with my husband every night, and he's not
sleeping with other women. Like oh God, oh God, oh God.
They go back to the couch and Meri is just like, you know
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what? That's her perspective.
I know my truth. I'm a little shooketh.
I'm a little shooketh that Meri is just whatever.
Whatever. Yeah.
Whatever. I literally don't even remember
anything she said because whileshe was talking I was like, what
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girl? What?
Like what's going on here? Just care at all perspective.
And I think Robyn was just sitting next to her, nodding
like an idiot. Like, Oh yeah, yeah, so stupid.
Think they've smoked the devil's
lettuce before that couch? Moment.
Maybe they found Maddie's stash and then we get another
disappointing moment from Janelle.
In my opinion, she's talking to the audience saying something
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along the lines of my beliefs say that I can choose my husband
whether he's married or not, and that's OK.
Everyone gets the right to choose their religion.
OK, You guys keep defaulting to these things that align to
almost, like, civil rights. That's a bit of a stretch.
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But just this, it's choices, you know?
Like, I get the choice. I'm not hurting anyone by doing
this, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
And it's like, yeah. But even what you're saying like
you get to choose your husband whether he's married or not.
But they're not even tying it to religion.
They're not even talking about their religious beliefs here.
They're talking about, Oh well, we can just marry whoever we
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want. They're not saying why.
They're not saying why in their religion it's important, why it
matters. Right.
So they're skirting around the fact that their religion
believes you would get closer to God and further into heaven.
And it's going to come up a little bit later with one of the
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anti plagues as to why this is ridiculous.
But Christine Marie here says, and this is a little far
stretch, but I want you to open your minds here.
I kind of see it. OK, I'm I'm currently opening my
mind because this one is a doozy.
I don't know if it is. Oh, OK, Christine Maurice says,
and compares their plural marriage to driving drunk.
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She says, yes, you can and you are the exception.
But most everyone's not like you.
So usually it's filled with problems, poverty and issues,
and you're just unique. OK, if you were driving drunk
and you just got lucky and made it home, fine, you're the
exception. But usually when you drive
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drunk, you're going to get in an accident.
You might hurt somebody else, you might hurt yourself, you
might take a lot of people down along the way.
And it's not even worth doing it right.
Not worth the risk. Yeah.
That's what she's saying, and I agree.
That connection, I see the dots connecting.
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It just felt extreme when she was saying it in the way that
she was saying it to me. But I don't know.
I mean, it makes sense. I don't know.
I don't know. It is more likely that abuse is
going to happen in a large family than not.
OK. You're upping the chances of
your children getting abused. You're upping the chances of
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yourself getting abused. That is just the reality.
The more people you add to a situation, the more people that
you don't know very much, the more people that might get
angry. The odds go up, sure, and I'm
not willing to take those chances personally.
I agree. With this, is that why you told
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your husband no to the sister wives?
That's 1000% why I said no to the sister.
Wives, the rate of me being abused, the likelihood of me
being abused is going up and up with every wife you want to
add. No, you know what?
The chances of a child getting essayed or abused by a parent
that is a stepparent, they go upby 10 times to 40 times compared
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to children living with their biological parents.
Like, it's insane. OK, It's insane.
So let's say you're introducing,essentially in their situation,
three other external parents. The chances of your children
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getting abused go up by that three times, right?
It's fucked up. Yeah.
I can't even imagine it. And we wonder why the FLDS
church had the issues that it fucking had.
It's disgusting. Not to mention the fact that
you, just, as a dad, can't give your children as much attention
as they need. Kody's answer was bullshit.
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You have 17 fucking kids and you're mean to tell me that you
can give them all the emotionalattention that they need?
My dad had two kids and couldn'tfucking do it.
All right, All right. Well, you know, yeah, I agree.
About the Kody, messy or dramatic, but I'm being fucking
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honest. I understand, I understand.
Yeah. And there's even an element to
that. I would add on to this about
recent events with one of the Brown children that I don't want
to get into details about because it's not confirmed and
whatever. But coming to your parents and
confiding in them, sharing that you have been essayed or that
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there has been abuse and it turns out that you are the one
that's going to get in trouble for bringing that to their
attention. You are the problem and that is
seems far more likely to happenin a situation in a polygamous
family. Now that's me judging, I don't
have any stats on that, but thatdoes happen for sure.
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Yeah, it's pretty insane. Historically cited in some
literature as being multiplied by 10 to 40 times an increase of
relative risk compared to children living with both
biological parents. And I'm not saying this like I
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understand that single moms, they're doing their best.
Single parents in general are doing their best.
You have to be so, so fucking careful when you introduce
somebody else into your child's life.
Now imagine just inherently doing that.
And we got married in the last episode saying, but I'm not
raising my children with you anymore.
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Bitch, you're supposed to be their mom.
So if you're looking at them as not your children, they're at 10
to 40 of the times. Risk of getting abused by you in
my fucking eyes. Yeah.
All right, I'm going to get off my soapbox.
I just like. As a mom, that is so terrifying
to me. It's not worth it.
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Not worth it. Yeah, after Christine Marie has
this drunk driving scenario as a connection to what's going on
with the family, Meri points out that that was a broad brush
statement. So once again, you are trying to
paint us with a broad brush. I'm going to give it a little
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bit of credence in my mind because they are saying that
that's what they're doing. And it did have a little bit of
that feel, but I don't know, you can't.
Just say I understand the analogy, but that's just not it.
Yeah, well, yeah, there's no
real connection to them individually.
It's just this default defense that the Browns are taking that
you're painting us with a broad brush.
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And now we get to hear from Professor Creepo again.
He gets a direct to camera moment.
We're now, honey, we're going to hear school is in session.
We're going to learn a little lesson from Professor Creepo.
We're going. To get some weird stats that
have no merit whatsoever as far as we know.
He didn't cite his source in this interview.
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No, he did not. He says 30% of polygamous
families have a satisfactory marriage, 35% have issues,
serious issues, Another 35% are completely dysfunctional.
I love these categories, right?
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Satisfactory, serious issues andcompletely dysfunctional.
I mean, I guess, you know, I don't know who we went from
satisfactory to serious issues, but OK.
And he doesn't say how it's classified the criteria.
Absolutely. It is kind of bullshit, but OK,
let's pretend that he's speaking the truth here.
Let's go with it. How does this square with
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monogamy? He wants us to know.
I would suspect we find the percentage is more or less the
same. Oh astute, how academic.
I want to sign up for his classes immediately.
Once again, is he being paid by a public school to be doing
this? I do think it's a publicly
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funded. I'm not even going to go into
it. I feel like I need to use the
word profunctory here for some reason.
It's a profunctory and he was allowed to go on ATV showing
signed off on by the school to spout some random percentages
out at us. It definitely aligns with my
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experience. All monogamous couples that I
know probably fall into a 30% satisfactory, 35% serious
issues, and 35% completely dysfunctional category.
My senior thesis at the University of Minnesota had
better conclusions than this motherfucker who's a professor
at UNLV. Well, it speaks to the quality
education available in Minnesota.
Now Christine Marie is going to take us on a left hand turn.
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She did put on her turn signal, but it's only a slight left in
this panel. Christine Marie asks what would
happen if one day you woke up and realized that all of this
was for superstition, which I love.
And Robyn says, well then I would leave.
And Christine Marie says Amen. Oh God, oh God, here we go.
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We're easing into one of the best moments of the episode.
We're getting lubed up, ready togo in, and Kristyn asks Meri if
it was accurate that she and Robyn had both said that they
live this lifestyle because it'stheir belief.
So basically, you would leave ifyou didn't believe in the faith.
So is she trying to catch them
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here with some word salad or do you think?
I mean, the root of this is saying you marry this man that
you did because of your religious faith.
So are you saying that if your religious faiths changed, you
would leave your husband? That's like what she's saying,
right? Yeah, and the superstition bit
is almost a little OK. You knock on wood, you get
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further into heaven. You are with a husband, with
more wives. You get a step further into
heaven. You're closer to heaven, You're
closer to God. You are in the land of the
chosen ones further and further based on the wives.
So what I'm gathering here is they're getting to, if you
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didn't believe that anymore, if you just didn't think that it
would get you further into heaven, would you leave this
lifestyle? And Robyn, I think she's been
pretending this whole time and I think she's been building up
in her head what she's going to say because she started
responding to Kollene with this do not earlier in the
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questioning and didn't get to say it because she was
interrupted. OK.
So then we get our famous words from Robyn, and they don't even
make sense here. They don't even make sense here.
So Kristyn ends with, so
basically what you're just saying is that you would leave
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if you guys didn't believe it. And Robyn says do not twist my
words. If I woke up unhappy I would
leave. Do not make me a victim,
sweetie. Yes, and the poll from this
quote is an infamous line from the beginning of our show.
This is the very first sound bite that we're getting from the
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show that is referenced in our intro of this very fabulous
podcast. Don't twist my words.
Do not make me a victim, sweetie.
And it was satisfying to hear because I hear it all the time.
I hear it so many times. I feel like I need to compulsory
just say it one more time myself.
Please do. Do not twist my words.
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Do not make me a victim, sweetie.
So satisfying. It's unfortunate that it's Robyn
and it's unfortunate that it's in this situation.
It is fortunate that she did try to say it earlier and was cut
off. At least we got that
satisfaction. It would have made sense
earlier. It doesn't fucking make sense
here. She sat on this.
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She was holding the sides of her chair, just gripping them with
white knuckles, waiting to fucking.
Say yes and the nonverbals is her literally leaning over, Mike
in hand, ready to do it. Like she has been crouching,
crouching, waiting for these moments to say something like
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this. Like a Viper, like an owl in a
tree waiting to strike. Because ordinarily, you know,
she looks like she's sitting there missing what's going on,
completely unaware of her surroundings or what anybody's
doing, and then piping in eventually to, you know, say her
two cents because she has to talk.
Because she's not listening, she's waiting to speak.
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Yes, for the one line that she knows she can actually say,
Yeah. So our Netflix documentary
Goddess Christine Marie asks Kody if his motivation was his
faith, and he agrees. OK, cool, whatever.
I don't know why we're stuck on that.
Like, why would that even? Like, of course it is.
Well, she's trying to maybe ask if it's about, you know, his
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carnal nature, his tool of God, which he's saying, yes, it's
about my tool of God. We know what that tool is.
But he just gets to say it's my faith, it's my faith, whatever.
This is my faith. Fucking liar.
The last bit of this episode, we have some back and forth
between couch moments with the Browns and then back to some
of the post panel footage after they've wrapped up.
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So do they give us a nice clean bow of the actual panel ending?
Of course not, because this was edited like crap and all of a
sudden the panel's just done. But we have this couch moment
with the Browns and Meri Cher. She was disappointed at how the
debate turned out that it was so combative.
And Christine says the debate in general, I think it was awful.
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And then they show Kristyn hugging Logan and Janelle
talking to Kollene, asking her about getting her driver's
license. And then Kristyn and Christine
are having a conversation and Kristyn says, do you all want to
go out for dinner? So once again, a reminder for
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those of you who are going, who the fuck are they talking about
this episode? Kristyn is Christine's aunt who
is now chatting with her after this panel.
And you know, we had Christine being so nervous.
The whole thing was about avoiding her.
She's so scared. She doesn't know what she's
going to do. Now they've had this combative
discussion. The panel is wrapped and Kristyn
is asking her niece, who she hasn't had a relationship with
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in a very long time, asking her do you want to go to dinner?
Christine, of course, says no. And I'm thinking to myself, why
not like, this is over? If you truly respect each
other's opinions and you get where each other are coming
from, you see the other side of the story, which is what you
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essentially came down to on the stage, why not just go to
dinner? And it turns out that Kristyn
was waiting for Christine to leave the bathroom to be
respectful and Christine thought that she was standing out
there to intimidate her the whole time.
The miscommunication in this family is on the same level as a
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fucking sitcom. This is some sort of like
Friends bullshit, standing in the corner waiting for someone
to leave because you're trying to give them their space and
they're in there shaking in their hot boots.
So I'm so scared. No, that is not even what was
happening, Christine. It's upsetting and it's kind of
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sad because they lost a moment for connection.
They did miss an opportunity to reconnect and given that her
aunt was talking to her like this, I didn't pick up on any
villain behavior, you know, like, do you want to go get
dinner with me like she was just did she appeared to just be
genuinely asking You want to go grab a bite?
Like I don't know, I. Really think she was.
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Going back to the couch, Kody says it was sad because they
never came to any kind of agreement during these panels.
And Janelle piggybacks on that by saying it was sad that we
didn't even agree to disagree. So, you know, I can appreciate
that. Take away that we really didn't
end anything well and we didn't even really agree to disagree.
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The thing that I agreed with was that, Kody said.
It's sad because we never reached over the fence.
We never figured out how to help our community.
OK, Yeah. So it could have come to
something if they would have figured out a way to help people
that were really struggling in polygamy and agreed that
polygamy is going to happen whether you like it or not.
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So what can we do to help people in it that are in it in
distress and needing help, right?
I agree with Kody there. Yeah, they could have pivoted to
a way to talk about the negative things that they're
both talking about that happened in the culture.
They both acknowledge it. The Browns are saying that's not
us, that's not us. And the anti plagues are being
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like it's a systematic, it's a, it's a it's a underlying problem
in the culture. And so why can't we address it?
And they never got on the same
page about what they even have shared opinions about.
They were all taking it too personally instead of looking at
the broad picture. The broad strokes with the brush
were distracting them from the from what their actual broad
take away could have been their shared experience.
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Because, Robyn says yet again. I got pretty angry.
The truth would not be heard here.
What are you talking about? The truth is both sides.
The truth is all the things. Right, like the anti plague
people were just lying. Like, no, Robyn, they weren't.
Christine and Willie are talking while everyone is getting up
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and leaving and Christine is asking Willie if he's OK and
he says yes, yes I'm OK and theyshow everybody chatting
afterwards that was on the paneland it doesn't seem combative.
I don't understand why they couldn't have gone out to dinner
and just had a conversation about other things.
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Because if you connect on another level outside of
polygamy versus non polygamy, it would probably be easier to
come back together and fight thegood fight later.
Right. Yeah, if that was your goal.
They lost out. But we get to hear more from
Professor Creepo, so that's exciting.
This is great. A part of the ending that I'm
excited about when he's talking about polygamous families and
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their success criteria. Oh, he has boiled it down to
three bullet points that he thinks is the success criteria
for polygamist. This is backed by fact, science,
stats and his bad dye job. His observations of what helps a
polygamist family succeed. And of course these things are
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mind blowing and hard to understand.
Not economically well off is the first bullet point.
So, you know, I guess that's pretty much universal.
I don't know that that's necessarily polygamous specific.
But yeah, it turns out if you're not struggling to make ends
meet everyday, you might have a little bit more success in
your. Life be happier.
One that is polygamous specific is if the husband manages
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affection as to not demonstrate a favorite wife.
He says, he says #2 the husband worked very hard at trying to
manage his affection if he had afavorite wife.
It was very quiet. It was very.
Quiet. What the fuck #3?
And most important? The sister wives have become
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friends, and I've learned that from the Browns.
In what study have you learned that the study of the Browns
behavior over how many meetings I want to know.
Right. How many Pelagos families have
you studied? I want to know.
What? I'd love to know the parameters
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of what friends are in a sisterwife relationship.
You know what I mean? Like, yeah, these bitches are
all saying they're friends, OK? These bitches are falsifying
records. Left.
And right, he's seeing what he wants to see.
This guy is weird. He's weird.
He is weird and so for those of you that have seen the show, you
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know that he rears his ugly head and he returns on this
show. And when he returns, I would say
it's actually even worse than this.
So you got that to look forward to.
Robyn thinks that more families just need to come forward and
they catch her from a side view.
This. Monster looking bitch from
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Transylvania. This bird ass bitch thinks that
just more families need to comeforward and it'd be all right.
Robyn says. It was what it was.
We need to get more people to share their stories, Kody
volunteers. I melted down.
So he melted down, apparently. I don't know what that means.
(54:30):
I guess he feels like he didn't say enough.
But Robyn looks at him lovingly.You know, she looks over that
nose just like the drunk driver,closing one eye to stay between
the lines. She's staring at Kody.
She says. I don't think you melted down.
I think you stood up for your beliefs.
I think your beliefs were under attack and you stood up for your
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beliefs. We always end on a dumbass Robyn
quote or a dumbass Kody quote.It's like, where do we go from
here? It can only go up and then it's
like never mind, next episode is the same shit.
Next episode looks a little exciting.
We are going to learn about Leon's school issues and their
(55:16):
lack of tuition money and we aregoing to learn about Kody giving
away his cheap ass jewelry to the wives that he designed.
Oh, I thought you were going to say giving away his purity.
Giving away as ugly as jewelry and seeing if the wives are
(55:38):
disappointed. We're jealous of each other's
jewelry from Moreno Enterprises.Moreno Enterprises.
But best of all, we're going to a marriage retreat.
Oh God with the therapist. I can't remember her name right
now, but this is going to be good.
We're going to call her Godiva. Lady Godiva.
(55:59):
No, we're not going to call her.There, I can't wait to meet you,
darling. It's going to be good.
It's going to be good. A marriage retreat that really,
really helps them strengthen their marital bonds.
These four women and Kody. It's about as real as it sounds.
Here we are again, mustard seed
(56:20):
and shit stain. I think you should go versus
Sam. Oh God, OK so my mustard seed
this episode is going to go to Aspen because I need to give her
a little point to help even up that shit stain you gave her
even though she did deserve it for.
Totally deserve it, she. Totally did deserve it, but she
made-up for it with this episode by supporting her mom and her
(56:44):
other mom and her other mom and her other mom that aren't
really moms by going to this panel, sitting front row,
smiling, showing support and hanging out with Logan.
We didn't hear a lot from her this episode, but she did really
encourage Christina at the beginning.
You know, she was like trying to give her words of affirmation
and saying you've got this. There's nothing to be worried
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about. You're going to be great.
And also then saying to the camera, I know my mom's fucking
nervous and I've got to be there to support her.
So at least she did support her family, whether they deserved
it or not. That's a good one because I
would say my mustard seed is going to go to Christine's Aunt
Kristyn. Oh, OK.
(57:28):
I think she obviously had an experience completely opposite
of what was being portrayed. She stuck it out for 33 years,
which is difficult. Whether you think that's good or
bad, whether you think you know she broke away from that after
(57:49):
that long, either way, she seems like a strong woman.
She seems very intelligent. She, I was very articulate
through everything. The only time that I thought she
overstepped was saying that she wanted to kidnap Christine and
it was obviously an over exaggeration of how she feels.
(58:11):
It was bad wording given the circumstances and given the cult
that they're in and the fact that people do kind of have to
be kidnapped from it sometimes to escape like children.
I mean, but I think she was very articulate and I give her
props for getting out and then speaking out.
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So my mustard seed goes to Kristyn.
My shit stain has me in the fields a bit because I'm giving
my shit stain to Janelle. I think there are several
choices in this episode, but the reason that I'm going with
Janelle is because I really, really don't like the lying.
(58:56):
I really don't like the lying. And I also it, it starts for me
with the narrative that she's currently running with with I
used to have to lie. I used to have to lie.
I'm so glad I don't have to lie.
You're still lying. She lied about being married to
Meri's brother and made it sound as if she made it sound as
if she was friends with Meri's family, her token polygamous
(59:18):
friends. Oh my gosh.
And then I just kind of felt like, oh, I just could, you
know, whatever. No, you're lying.
It was a bold faced lie. I do not like that.
You're right. I also was not a fan of how
Janelle talked about making her own money and having her own
bank account and almost cacklingin a condescending manner that
the audience totally bought intoand actually applauded for her
(59:41):
because she has to know that hersister wives are not in that
same position. So yes, she's speaking for
herself, but she knows that she is unique in that situation, so
that was fucked up. She also says because of her
religious beliefs, she's allowedto marry whoever she wants,
whether they're married or not. Yeah, which is whatever that is.
It doesn't even have to do with
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the actual religious beliefs about getting into heaven.
They're glossing over the fact about why they need a plural
marriage to begin with. This is holdover also from
recent episodes where she was talking about the lying and how
she was over that and she doesn't have to lie anymore but
she's still lying and I really don't like it.
(01:00:23):
I just really do not like that.
It might not be that dramatic but this episode has made my
brain turn into mush and crap. So I crap a pile of crap.
So Janelle, you get my shit stain.
My shit stain is going to go to Robyn yet again.
As always, she seems to get one because she didn't listen.
(01:00:45):
She did not listen, she was justwaiting to answer.
That's a huge problem with a lotof people.
They're in a conversation and instead of listening to the
person they're speaking with, they're waiting till they can
speak. I got that a lot from her with a
(01:01:05):
Do not make me a victim sweetie.
We think of that as a very dramatic line where she's
standing up for herself and there is somebody calling her
out and saying something horrible leading up to it.
Bullshit. Complete and utter bullshit.
She tried to say it earlier on.
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I heard the beginning of this line earlier on in the episode
and I thought she was going to say it and then she didn't.
And then she says it later and I'm like, bitch, you've been
waiting to say that. You have been waiting to say
that. You're such a fucking liar and
you're full of shit as per usual, trying to make yourself
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look like the victim but not. Do not make me a victim.
Sweetie. You play the victim card more
than anyone else in this family.Oh, yeah?
So you're doing it to yourself. Shut the fuck up.
The only reason that word is in your head is because you know
you want to play it. Yeah.
So how about you shut your dirtywhore mouth, Robyn Siri?
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Dirty whore mouth. Siri Net Siri.
Oh, Speaking of Robyn getting your shit stain, we're going to
do a little mini keep suite before we do our big keep suite.
Our mini keep suite is from a
comment that just came in this week on our YouTube video from
Robbins purity speech episode. Robyn Secret and Tonya Carter
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pointed out that Robyn should get a shit stain for turning her
whole phase into a Me Too story.
That it's shameful and it absolutely is shameful and what
a great connection. It's one of those comments where
I'm like, I wish we would havethought of that, you know,
because it's totally true. Like your whole face is now a me
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too story. Terrible, terrible.
Robyn, you literally just had anentire episode about how you're
a fake victim. Bullshit, bullshit.
Bullshit, Robyn. But a real keep sweet moment
this week is a YouTube comment from Katie 2284.
And Katie says, I just wanted tosay that the first time I saw a
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video from you guys, the opening song made me cry because
my Papa would sing that to me when I was little.
He passed away in 2003 and I hadn't heard that song since
then. It was an instant subscribe in
the 1st 5 seconds heart emoji. And I just thought that was, I
don't even want to say sweet because we were making fun of
the sweet thing. But I don't know, that just hit
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me in a certain spot, made me feel humanity, which is very
unlike me. And I'm just so glad that Katie
2284, you shared that story on a YouTube comment.
Yeah, it warms my cockles. Yeah, it makes me feel something
close to where my heart is supposed to be.
Songs are so magical because they can take us back to a point
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in time that is very special and just transport us and so can
smell, and I thank God that I could not smell this college
auditorium during this panel. That's all I have to say.
It probably would bring me back to a place in time where I was
in college and just praying to the Lord baby Jesus that I would
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survive college. So.
Well, honey, maybe you would have enjoyed your college
experience a little more if you had Professor Creepo there
helping you out, guiding you with his analytics and his data.
Perhaps he could have convinced
me to become a sister wife.
What does the nanny do? OK, so we're done.
Goodbye. You shut it off.
Do not twist my words. Do not make me a victim.
Sweetie. Just look at the mountain.
That's what you saw. That day, just the knife in the
kidneys over all these years and the sacrifices that I made to
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love you. Where we left off on the last
episode was the Browns and the anti polygamist strolling into
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the teeny tiny miniature Assembly Hall auditorium for
this panel discussion about polygamy.
The highs, the lows, the dangers, the thrills, the
excitements, the love, the triumphs.
The editing on this was a little jarring because all of a
sudden it's like Meri's just talking.
(01:14):
Now what we realize is that we're going to get a little bit
of an introduction from each wife.
So they're going to go through them and give them each a little
sound bite. Do they make sense?
Is it helpful? Up to you to decide.
But that's where we are going, even though we didn't know it
while watching the episode. No, they give weird sound bites
during the entire panel. Yeah, we get bits and halves and
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pieces and they Franken bite this together.
It's very apparent when you're watching it that they're cutting
things out and piercing it back together, and it was a
little odd. Just want to let everybody know
that ahead of time. Not only is it choppy, but we're
getting only fragments of answers generally, not
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questions. So not even teed up, just kind
of volleying these sound bites back and forth.
And one of our favorite quotes is misappropriated, misused.
I don't even know. Yeah.
But like a Barnacle on a whale'sback, it's grown on all of us,
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and we all love it to this day. Yes, we get our first sound bite
from the intro of this show. Yeah, I can't believe I didn't
lead to put that on Part 1. What is wrong with me?
I've never watched this. I've never seen this before.
So you didn't even know? I didn't know and.
And I let down our dear listeners.
I was let down the lead up to this.
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I thought this was going to be much more aggressive than it
was. Turns out Robyn's a fucking
faker as per usual. God damn.
Nothing new there. Nothing new there at all.
First we're going to hear from Meri.
We're going to hear a little bitabout her back story.
And Meri says when I was just a young baby, my mom was
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introduced to plural marriage and decided it was the life for
her. I did not know that Meri was
already born when brought into plural marriage.
That was interesting to me. I don't recall through Becoming
Sister Wives, their book or through other ventures that
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they've done or stories they've shared if we really learn about
her mom and dad's entry into polygamy.
But she was quite young when that happened.
Her parents were married. There wasn't really, as far as I
know, a salacious story about it.
They were, you know, whatever they were doing and then became
polygamous. There usually is a salacious
story involved, but not sure of the details on that.
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Something happened. Then we hear from Janelle.
Janelle talks about growing up in the mainstream Mormon LDS
church. And then you know Janelle.
Oh, see, I feel like in the lastepisode, I just gave her a
mustard seed and I'm going to crush that mustard seed and
spread it on a Wiener because she just, she disappoints with
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her lack of truth. She just hurts me deep inside.
She says she met a guy, Meri's brother.
She doesn't say Meri's brother, but she met a guy.
And then through meeting that guy, she was introduced to
Meri's family and they became her token polygamist friends.
And I'm going, excuse me? What the fuck?
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No, you married Meri's brother. You were part of her family, and
then you left him to marry herhusband.
That's quite a bit different than the story she gave at this
panel. So there's our big first lie at
the panel right there. Very, very odd way of saying
that, darling. I just don't know why she can't.
She's not being honest about it
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because they don't want it to color their story.
But it's blatant lies and it's gross.
They lie and. Then we get our little
introduction from Christine Brown.
Little Princess of Plagues. Yes, polygamous royalty, that
one. Christine says.
I was raised in a polygamist family.
I had two moms. What I didn't know was that I
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was raised in fear because we were told from a young age that
if people find out, our dad is going to get put in prison.
Oh Lord. My God, if they found out that
he was a polygamist he would be thrown in prison.
So apparently she didn't know that she was being raised in
fear. I guess most people probably
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don't know they're being raised in fear until they figure it
out. It's interesting how her
reflection seems a bit siloed at this point.
Oh, so you now know that you were raised in fear, but you're
not going to connect those dots to even.
To your own kids, having to do that to your own kids for years.
For years and years I know I I I trying not to tear her down
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too much here. Being raised in fear.
Fucking awful. Yeah, not good.
It changes you, obviously. It's scary.
How would you know you're being raised in fear until you're her
age now and decided to come out as a family?
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It's more disturbing yet again than they led on.
And Christine with her rose colored glasses.
It's a theme for her life as we know she references it in her
book a lot. She was just sunny disposition
optimistic Christine little bit in denial about the truth which
works for this family. Now we get a clip from Robyn for
her introduction and once again you guys friendly reminder that
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none of this is connected or really makes sense they.
Obviously cut the shit out of her quality.
Storytelling, she says. I fell in love with their family
and I'm very happy with my family.
We're not perfect, but what family is?
OK, interesting. That's your story once again,
production cut the shit out of it.
So who knows what her actual spiel was, but they just leave
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her with that It was. Probably worse than that.
That was probably the best that she said.
So they're like, that's what we'll keep.
I mean as we know her mommy was maybe Holly under duress
situation until they got married.
There we go, There we go. Plague mommy cheating mommy
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situation. Allegedly.
Allegedly. Allegedly.
Allegedly. Thank you, Legal.
So yeah. But now we can't hear from the
four wives without hearing from Kody as well, Darling.
And what does Kody share with the audience?
Kody says my experience with plural marriage has not been an
easy one. It has been a challenge for us
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but it has been a blessing and I'm lucky to have been able to
marry the women I love. Wow, how poetic.
Puke. I noticed here that Meri is
sitting right next to Kollene and Aspen and Logan are sitting
in the front row. Yes.
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So we thought and we knew that Aspen was going to join, but
Logan is a surprise guest. We don't hear from him in the
episode. No, but they're there to support
their parents. We don't see him other than the
back and side of his profile. Obviously it's Logan and Logan
is sitting with Aspen. They're there to support their
parents. Good for them.
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And I just want to make note about how they were giving him
shit about not being there for the family and being Mr.
Independent and he's too good for them.
You're right. And here he is now.
He does go to UNLV, but he's there supporting his family.
Like, fuck you people. And I think it was Aspen that
you gave the shit stain to that week.
And now she's sitting next to him in the auditorium.
I did. Aspen.
I hope you learned a lesson girl.
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I hope you did, Darwin. He was right there next to you
in that front row, supporting your mom.
And like you said, with Meri being right next to Kollene,
they are right in the middle of the stage, right?
So it's Meri on one side, Kollene and then all the wives
on the other side, and all of the other anti plagues on the
other side of Kollene. I wonder if they put Kollene in
the middle there because she's the person that has seen them
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last or actually knew the family, or if they even went
that far as to think about that.
From a producer's lens, I would think that she might be the one
that gets the most combative, so that's why I would put her
there. But interestingly enough, as
we're getting these shots through the scene, Meri seems
very pleasant overall and almosthas body language of being
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totally cool. And she referenced she was not
nervous about this experience. She thought it was going to be
fine. And there's something about the
way that she glances over and looks at Kollene where it's
pretty nice and pretty open and welcoming.
So seeing Kollene be how she canbe next to Meri.
And then Meri's like, I'm just here, I'm cool, I'm mayor and
I'm like, OK, here we go, girls.We got we got Robyn on the end
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of the whole family getting saucy.
Oh yeah, she's at far. End Saucy.
Opening that big jaw. Yep, it's a big dill.
She's got the dill pickle jar and she's on the end.
She's getting saucy. We're going to hear from Willie
next about his experience. Willie says my experience of
polygamy was hell. When 1 mother was mad at
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another, instead of taking it out on the mother, she took it
out on the children. And then he says about his dad.
My father was never around and
when he was he wasn't a very decent person.
And he's like doe eyed and he's not even giving us much about
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his family. He's not saying when my father
was around he would hit us with the belt or he would do this or
that. He's saying he wasn't a decent
person. He's implying things that we're
supposed to, I guess make up or we're.
Supposed to infer. And it does align with his
whole, you know, cult upbringing coming into the world, You
know, the whole thing that we discussed before, clearly not
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comfortable with public speaking.
You don't have to be from a cult to not comfortable with public
speaking. But he's pretty reserved during
this entire thing. The bits he gives us are sad and
there's obviously a problem there.
You can just tell based on his face and his eyes though, that
there is more to the story. Way more to the story.
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But to be fair for Willie, they we also don't get a lot of
juicy details from anybody in this panel, and it might be
because of the editing. We really just get some
salacious and some building confrontation and combativeness,
but I'm not so sure that we get a lot of details that we want
to get here. We'll see.
We'll see where the journey takes us.
Maybe a few more yucky, yucky things, but yeah.
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So as what happened with the Browns, it's going to happen
with the anti plague folk and we're moving on from Willie to
Christine Marie. And a reminder from our Part 1,
she is the brains and beauty behind the Netflix documentary
Trust Me, the False Prophet, which came out on Netflix
earlier this year that we highly recommend.
And Christine Marie, she does share more about her story than
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Willie did, doesn't she? I love how I'm like, oh, not
much gets shared and then it's like, Christine, Marie's going
to let it all out. Yeah, it's really sad, she says.
I thought I was the first wife.
Then he had a revelation that another woman was going to be
the first wife and I was going to have to financially support
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her and him. So I basically became a slave to
this sister wife. We break from her to see Kollene
again. Kollene has black makeup running
down her face, but she also looks perfect.
Still, she looks like a Lindsay Lohan music video from that era.
Her not waterproof mascara,
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yeah, is literally running down in a single line from each.
Like a triangle? Like a triangle, triangle down
to the skinny line. And it looked to me like stage
makeup. It looked like it was placed
there. It was.
It was actually gorgeous. I'm like gorgeous, darling,
gorgeous it. Literally looked like a scene
out of a movie where someone was supposed to be crying and we
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hadn't seen this before. They cut to her because of the
jarring editing. So she's sitting there looking a
little like I'm Kollene, You know what you're getting
yourself into. And then all of a sudden she has
this teardrop mascara going down her face and it's like, OK
girls, been feeling some feels and sharing some stuff.
And it's like, Robyn, that's what it looks like when you cry,
you dumb bitch. Oh snap, snap.
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Kollene shares that sister wives are not friends.
They hate each other and if they're your babysitter, those
kids are going to be beat and abused by those moms and her
kids. Like and her kids.
Yeah, remember we were just talking about Meri's
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embarrassing situation where she was saying please don't fuck
with these kids, and the mothers were defensive about that.
You take that another few steps further and you've got a mother
not only abusing a kid that's not her bio kid, but allowing
her children to do it. It's not hard for me to imagine.
It's very easy for me to imagine how that would get out of
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control. Oh, as a mom, that breaks my
fucking heart. It breaks my heart.
I don't know if I could if my husband and I both died in a
horrific flaming car accident and we had to leave our
children. I mean, obviously they'd be
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going to my sister and her husband.
I just think that they would do the best and closest job of
raising them. But do I know that they would be
treated exactly the same as my niece's?
No, and that fucking kills me inside.
If I ever died and my husband got remarried to another woman,
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do I think she would ever treat my children how I would treat
them? No, and I'd probably haunt the
motherfucking shit out of her. Well, she would deserve it.
I told my husband, I'm like, if I ever die and you get
remarried, it's not that I don't want you to be happy, but I
will haunt her because. Especially when she's getting
that good D girl. I'm just, I'm just scared that
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my kids will not be treated the same as other people's kids if
they're step or adopted or whatever.
I just don't know how that works because I can't put myself in
those shoes and it's scary to me.
And it's very sad to think of even another mom in general.
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I couldn't have the heart to beat another child if and if it
wasn't mine. I couldn't even imagine that.
But obviously these women are pitted against each other, So
what else would they do? The children are pitted against
each other. Everyone is pitted against each
other for the dad's affection, so we can only surmise that this
would happen. Yeah, the resentment growing,
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the anger being misplaced. When you think about in life,
you don't even have to be a polygamist to have your anger
grow and your resentment be misplaced.
And all of a sudden you're in this situation where it's
probably all magnified. You can be a stepmom and be
removed from it and not want to be fucking the ex-husband and
have this happen. Now imagine wanting to fuck the
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same guy. Right.
Of course it's going to happen.
Christine's aunt Kristyn shares her experience of taking on
another sister wife. And she says when my husband
married his second wife, my heart was broken.
And when they drove away on their honeymoon, I didn't know
if I was going to make it. And when they came back and I
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heard things, I thought I was going to die.
I was pretty much suicidal by then.
So she's talking about hearing her husband fuck his second
wife. Right.
When she says, when I started tohear things, I heard things I
can't even imagine. And you're supposed to be OK
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with this. And you're supposed to pretend
it's all hunky Dory. And while she was sharing this,
I kept thinking in my mind about how the Browns we're in a
trailer, when Janelle joined the family, and I guess maybe
even when Christine did. I don't know.
Details are a little hazy to me,but there's always this
implication of hearing through the paper thin walls.
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So these women sitting on this stage have probably all
experienced what she's talking about now.
Do they identify with being suicidal?
Couldn't say that. But they know what she's talking
about and they have their poker faces on.
They are sitting there doing whatever.
I do notice as this moves on, Christine does a lot of looking
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down, staring out, not really looking at the people that are
speaking. And I think it's because she's
processing that. That is actually my same
experience, but I'm not here to acknowledge that.
You know, I've got to come up with my rationales, my
justifications and what I'm going to say next, but I can't
imagine having my spouse come home with another person and
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having sex with them and I'm supposed to hear it and just be
keep sweet about it. Supposed to keep sweet.
And I can't even join in. I mean, come on, come on.
Well, with your background you'dbe knocking at the door being
like, don't hold out on me. Hello, here we go.
Now. But yeah, I mean it.
Oh. My God.
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Oh. Lord, my God, troubling at best.
If that's not your vibe, if
that's not your vibe, that's not good.
And Christine does, you know, jump in here to say something to
her aunt. Oh, we gloss over the suicidal
bit. Oh, of course, but we can't dive
into that. Yeah, can't talk about the
incest, can't talk about the suicide.
Moving on. And so when Christine has this
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opportunity for rebuttal, she says, Aunt Kristyn, I love you,
but I just don't know what I'm going to do with you.
I remember you so well. And I remember your husband.
And he was not a nice man. And she's trying to draw the
connection here of, OK, you know, you're talking about these
things that your nasty husband did.
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Well. I'm pointing out to you that
that makes sense to me because your husband was basically an
asshole. Meanwhile, as I was saying, she
has to identify with what her aunt is actually saying.
So it's just more denial and more rejection and more crazy
talk. And you know, of course, Kristyn
does respond to her saying, well, I'm so glad that you're
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happy, but your family's an anomaly.
And all around me are people whose stories are heartbreaking.
So it's it's weird too, because of it being the niece aunt
situation. They haven't seen each other in
so long. There's this situation going on
with them and Christine basically saying I hear you but
your husband was an asshole so I don't know invalidating her
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point. Robyn has to put her beak out
there, Robyn says. But you've also heard so many
great stories, too. And I'm going what the fuck, out
of nowhere and backed by who? Where is this backed by?
How is it that Robyn can even say to this woman straight faced
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you've heard a lot of great stories, Like why are you
telling me my experience of the stories that I've heard?
Like insane Robyn is so dumb. She is so dumb.
Hey, you're one against 5 bitch.
You're one. Family is five.
You don't know my life. You don't know my life, Robyn.
Kristyn says you know, Robyn, I've only talked to one person
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who's left who's told me they were happy.
And Robyn interrupts and says who you marry makes a huge
difference. Of course, of course it does.
Yeah, Robyn continues. I have a mother and sisters that
are so happy with their sisterwifes relationships and she
starts tearing up. The fake tears ain't coming.
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The fake tears ain't coming. But you know, the voice does
wobble as if she might cry. Yeah, absolutely.
So, you know, she's her mother, who was potentially A mistress
who became a second wife, and her sisters, who I'm sure are
very happy in their polygamist relationships.
They all love what's going on intheir lives.
So hello, Kristyn. Haven't you heard the stories
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about my family? Like what the fuck, Robyn?
And then as we're moving on, of course Kody has to get the last
word in. He doesn't even have the fucking
microphone and he has to get the last word in and nobody is
paying attention until, Oh my God, no.
Kody speaks up. Kody says.
Our experience isn't your experience in a nutshell.
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Moving really solidified their points.
Then our professor Creepo says we're going to take some
questions our audience. That Professor Creepo, he really
is something. Of course the first question is
posed to Kody because he is thepatriarch of this family and the
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question is how many kids do you have?
Kody says 17. And so the question continues,
do you think you are emotionallyactive in all of your kids lives
as best that you can be? And Kody says I think I'm as
active in my children's lives asanybody I know.
Monogamist or polygamist. I'm once again wondering what
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the fuck are his wives thinking?I am honed in on Christine and
she is staring down at the floorwith that blouse that's all
scratched up under under her chest and she's got that
dangling piece of jewelry and she is staring down.
She is not reacting at all because as we know by this time,
there's no way she thinks thathe's active in their children's
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lives. They are literally remember he
does rock, paper, scissors and they don't even know that that's
his game. Like he is not.
He's not there and we don't. Remote by Rock, paper, scissors
Christine Marie says a quote somewhere during this question.
We're not really sure where
because they're cutting it so oddly, but Christine Marie says
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they're special overall, regardless of the culture.
It is filled with unhappiness, poverty, poor education of
children. I think she's just mentioning
here that, well, if the father is around, fine, obviously
Kody's around. But regardless of if Kody's
around or not, the culture is filled with unhappiness, poverty
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and poor education. Kody rebuttals It's unfair to
say polygamy is evil because evil has happened to you.
Monogamy also has evil. Other societies have evil.
Religions have abuse, non religious families have abuse.
It's like, OK, I mean, yeah, sure, I guess.
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And Kody points out how they're painting the Browns with a
broad brush of their own experience.
We get a lot of talk of this brush.
We get to hear about painting. A lot of painting, a lot of
broad brushing, a lot of brushing on experiences and
painting people. Kristyn says.
Well, no more than you are from everyone else.
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And Kody says, well, I'm not recommending plural marriage to
everybody. I'm simply asking the world for
permission to allow me and those who choose to do it to
choose this. Is where things get muddy
because we're about to hear one of our favorite quotes from the
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Sister Wives world. It's messy.
It's different. It's different.
It's different, Kollene says. We haven't directed anything
onto you. We haven't painted anything on
you. This is where I noticed the back
and forths are really buildingin their combative nature.
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People are talking quick after each other.
The voices are getting escalatedand Robyn says, yeah, you did,
Kollene. You said Sister Wives.
Kollene says. I said sister wives, not
indicating you guys. You said sister wives hate each
other, says Robyn. It wasn't directed at you guys.
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But you know what?
And then Robyn starts laughing and gesturing at the audience
condescendingly. She says.
Does the world know that? Do they know that?
Oh. My God, it's like.
Like we're all idiots. We were just told that these
people were going to share their perspectives.
The people in the audience know that they're sharing their
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perspectives. But Robyn is, you know, she's a
little below IQ, so someone could have easily reminded her.
These people are talking about their experiences.
Now, to be fair, they have said things like sister wives and
polygamists and the culture. So I, you know, there is a
little element to broad brushing, but it's just not teed
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up like that as far as what we're experiencing as viewers.
Kristyn jumps in saying, I think I should be able to share my
story just like you're sharing your story.
And then we cut to another question from a woman in the
audience. It's like this.
This totally makes sense. You guys, if you're following
along, God bless you. This is a mess.
It is all over the place now. This woman's question.
(26:37):
Oh, this woman's question. It is long and strangely worded.
It's a little hard. I don't know, honey.
Do you feel the that you have the personal strength to get
through this question? Kody, the way you increase your
tone of voice, the way the four women around you look at you
for permission. For me, as a woman, I have a
(27:01):
question. Meri's cackling in the
background. Meri Meri Laughing Meri Meri
Carey Carey. Continues Do you have the
financial wherewithal if you want to take money and if you
have to escape and leave Kody? Essentially she wants to know if
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you wanted to leave financially, could you leave?
And of course, Janelle responds saying I make my own money, I
have my own bank account. And the audience starts
clapping. It is kind of a, you know,
classic Janelle moment to where it's like, yeah, OK, she's
laughing at this thing, but. It's such bullshit though
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because Christine doesn't know how much money they're making.
If you've read her book, she admits that she didn't know
about the money and she got her like stipend of the money and
it's gross. It's interesting how if the
wives have different experiences, so the four wives,
it ties into the monogamist versus polygamist thing from our
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last episode, where a wife can be called upon if her experience
doesn't align with the others to rationalize and justify a
situation. So yeah, Janelle has her own
checking account and she knows how much money she has.
So that just means that none of the other women have to address
that. They don't, or they don't know.
Or in Robyn's case, they're a fraud and stealing everybody
else's money, you know? Christine talks in her book
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about having to save money to the sides so that she can leave
and get a second place where she wants to live by her other
family in another state. So obviously she had to save
money. She didn't feel comfortable
saying to Kody or Robyn or Meri or Janelle, I need the money to
leave. Give me that money so I can get
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the fuck out of here. It's referenced so many times in
this show how Kody Tees up that if you're unhappy, you know
what? I'll buy you a house down the
road. I'll take care of you and your
children. You don't have to live with me.
And it's such bullshit. It's just this thing where it's
like, why would that ever even come up?
First of all, like, that's very bizarre, but it's this
overcompensation of just doing things right in your own home.
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It's gross. Also it's like bitch you're
already not living with me so I don't know what else you want
here. Like I want to be happy, I want
another life. I would rather be with another
man like that is the part that he does not get well.
When Meri jumps on the train here, I married this man because
I love him. I look to him because I'm
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anxious what he's going to say.
And I'm also anxious to get the mic because I want to say what I
want to say. So, you know.
Yeah, OK, You can say that I'm looking to him for whatever.
Well, I'm looking to him becauseI want to hear what he has to
say. And I love him, and that's why I
married him. And they do a cutaway to the
woman in the audience, and she looks.
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Pissed. So I think she thought she was
going to get him. You know, I'm going to ask this
question. And then it was like, girl, you
kind of failed and you actuallykind of teed them up to answer
the question. Well, I mean, not well, but to
answer it to a satisfactory level to someone.
And she's not happy about it. And then Christine jumps in
saying, I understand your concern based on stereotypes.
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And Kody has said, if money's holding you back, I'll give you
money to leave. You have your freedom, which is,
you know, a sumMeri of this whole thing that she's talked
about before where he's like, oh, I'll pay for you to leave.
I'll buy you a house. I'll take care of the kids.
Like, well, aren't we already doing that?
Except for kind of not. Yeah, Christine says.
Kody would say. Look, if you're not happy, I'll
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give you the money and you can leave, Christine, Marie says.
But you don't have the freedom to sleep with Kody every night
because you have to share him, right?
They cut away to a couch moment and Kody talks about getting
frustrated with where this conversation is going.
And of course they cut back. And Meri says, do you know how
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liberating it is to not sleep with your husband every night?
And there's audience laughter and applause and it's like she's
doing a bit of like comedic relief shit.
And it's like, girl, OK, we're holding on here.
We're holding on. We're holding on.
On the couch, they say that theythink things got heated and
passionate because they stopped addressing the public AKA the
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audience and started addressing each other.
So they started going back and forth with the plagues versus
the anti plagues and like literally looking and arguing
with each other versus answeringquestions and looking at the
audience. Yes, because even when they were
doing their back and forth before, they were clearly
addressing the audience, trying to be persuasive.
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Now we've entered this phase where they are just back and
forth, kind of yelling at each other.
And Kristyn responds to Meri by saying, you know, Meri, I don't
have to sleep with my husband every night, and he's not
sleeping with other women. Like oh God, oh God, oh God.
They go back to the couch and Meri is just like, you know
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what? That's her perspective.
I know my truth. I'm a little shooketh.
I'm a little shooketh that Meri is just whatever.
Whatever. Yeah.
Whatever. I literally don't even remember
anything she said because whileshe was talking I was like, what
(32:31):
girl? What?
Like what's going on here? Just care at all perspective.
And I think Robyn was just sitting next to her, nodding
like an idiot. Like, Oh yeah, yeah, so stupid.
Think they've smoked the devil's
lettuce before that couch? Moment.
Maybe they found Maddie's stash and then we get another
disappointing moment from Janelle.
In my opinion, she's talking to the audience saying something
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along the lines of my beliefs say that I can choose my husband
whether he's married or not, and that's OK.
Everyone gets the right to choose their religion.
OK, You guys keep defaulting to these things that align to
almost, like, civil rights. That's a bit of a stretch.
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But just this, it's choices, you know?
Like, I get the choice. I'm not hurting anyone by doing
this, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
And it's like, yeah. But even what you're saying like
you get to choose your husband whether he's married or not.
But they're not even tying it to religion.
They're not even talking about their religious beliefs here.
They're talking about, Oh well, we can just marry whoever we
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want. They're not saying why.
They're not saying why in their religion it's important, why it
matters. Right.
So they're skirting around the fact that their religion
believes you would get closer to God and further into heaven.
And it's going to come up a little bit later with one of the
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anti plagues as to why this is ridiculous.
But Christine Marie here says, and this is a little far
stretch, but I want you to open your minds here.
I kind of see it. OK, I'm I'm currently opening my
mind because this one is a doozy.
I don't know if it is. Oh, OK, Christine Maurice says,
and compares their plural marriage to driving drunk.
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She says, yes, you can and you are the exception.
But most everyone's not like you.
So usually it's filled with problems, poverty and issues,
and you're just unique. OK, if you were driving drunk
and you just got lucky and made it home, fine, you're the
exception. But usually when you drive
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drunk, you're going to get in an accident.
You might hurt somebody else, you might hurt yourself, you
might take a lot of people down along the way.
And it's not even worth doing it right.
Not worth the risk. Yeah.
That's what she's saying, and I agree.
That connection, I see the dots connecting.
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It just felt extreme when she was saying it in the way that
she was saying it to me. But I don't know.
I mean, it makes sense. I don't know.
I don't know. It is more likely that abuse is
going to happen in a large family than not.
OK. You're upping the chances of
your children getting abused. You're upping the chances of
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yourself getting abused. That is just the reality.
The more people you add to a situation, the more people that
you don't know very much, the more people that might get
angry. The odds go up, sure, and I'm
not willing to take those chances personally.
I agree. With this, is that why you told
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your husband no to the sister wives?
That's 1000% why I said no to the sister.
Wives, the rate of me being abused, the likelihood of me
being abused is going up and up with every wife you want to
add. No, you know what?
The chances of a child getting essayed or abused by a parent
that is a stepparent, they go upby 10 times to 40 times compared
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to children living with their biological parents.
Like, it's insane. OK, It's insane.
So let's say you're introducing,essentially in their situation,
three other external parents. The chances of your children
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getting abused go up by that three times, right?
It's fucked up. Yeah.
I can't even imagine it. And we wonder why the FLDS
church had the issues that it fucking had.
It's disgusting. Not to mention the fact that
you, just, as a dad, can't give your children as much attention
as they need. Kody's answer was bullshit.
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You have 17 fucking kids and you're mean to tell me that you
can give them all the emotionalattention that they need?
My dad had two kids and couldn'tfucking do it.
All right, All right. Well, you know, yeah, I agree.
About the Kody, messy or dramatic, but I'm being fucking
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honest. I understand, I understand.
Yeah. And there's even an element to
that. I would add on to this about
recent events with one of the Brown children that I don't want
to get into details about because it's not confirmed and
whatever. But coming to your parents and
confiding in them, sharing that you have been essayed or that
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there has been abuse and it turns out that you are the one
that's going to get in trouble for bringing that to their
attention. You are the problem and that is
seems far more likely to happenin a situation in a polygamous
family. Now that's me judging, I don't
have any stats on that, but thatdoes happen for sure.
(38:00):
Yeah, it's pretty insane. Historically cited in some
literature as being multiplied by 10 to 40 times an increase of
relative risk compared to children living with both
biological parents. And I'm not saying this like I
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understand that single moms, they're doing their best.
Single parents in general are doing their best.
You have to be so, so fucking careful when you introduce
somebody else into your child's life.
Now imagine just inherently doing that.
And we got married in the last episode saying, but I'm not
raising my children with you anymore.
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Bitch, you're supposed to be their mom.
So if you're looking at them as not your children, they're at 10
to 40 of the times. Risk of getting abused by you in
my fucking eyes. Yeah.
All right, I'm going to get off my soapbox.
I just like. As a mom, that is so terrifying
to me. It's not worth it.
(39:03):
Not worth it. Yeah, after Christine Marie has
this drunk driving scenario as a connection to what's going on
with the family, Meri points out that that was a broad brush
statement. So once again, you are trying to
paint us with a broad brush. I'm going to give it a little
(39:24):
bit of credence in my mind because they are saying that
that's what they're doing. And it did have a little bit of
that feel, but I don't know, you can't.
Just say I understand the analogy, but that's just not it.
Yeah, well, yeah, there's no
real connection to them individually.
It's just this default defense that the Browns are taking that
you're painting us with a broad brush.
(39:44):
And now we get to hear from Professor Creepo again.
He gets a direct to camera moment.
We're now, honey, we're going to hear school is in session.
We're going to learn a little lesson from Professor Creepo.
We're going. To get some weird stats that
have no merit whatsoever as far as we know.
He didn't cite his source in this interview.
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No, he did not. He says 30% of polygamous
families have a satisfactory marriage, 35% have issues,
serious issues, Another 35% are completely dysfunctional.
I love these categories, right?
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Satisfactory, serious issues andcompletely dysfunctional.
I mean, I guess, you know, I don't know who we went from
satisfactory to serious issues, but OK.
And he doesn't say how it's classified the criteria.
Absolutely. It is kind of bullshit, but OK,
let's pretend that he's speaking the truth here.
Let's go with it. How does this square with
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monogamy? He wants us to know.
I would suspect we find the percentage is more or less the
same. Oh astute, how academic.
I want to sign up for his classes immediately.
Once again, is he being paid by a public school to be doing
this? I do think it's a publicly
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funded. I'm not even going to go into
it. I feel like I need to use the
word profunctory here for some reason.
It's a profunctory and he was allowed to go on ATV showing
signed off on by the school to spout some random percentages
out at us. It definitely aligns with my
(41:28):
experience. All monogamous couples that I
know probably fall into a 30% satisfactory, 35% serious
issues, and 35% completely dysfunctional category.
My senior thesis at the University of Minnesota had
better conclusions than this motherfucker who's a professor
at UNLV. Well, it speaks to the quality
education available in Minnesota.
Now Christine Marie is going to take us on a left hand turn.
(41:52):
She did put on her turn signal, but it's only a slight left in
this panel. Christine Marie asks what would
happen if one day you woke up and realized that all of this
was for superstition, which I love.
And Robyn says, well then I would leave.
And Christine Marie says Amen. Oh God, oh God, here we go.
(42:17):
We're easing into one of the best moments of the episode.
We're getting lubed up, ready togo in, and Kristyn asks Meri if
it was accurate that she and Robyn had both said that they
live this lifestyle because it'stheir belief.
So basically, you would leave ifyou didn't believe in the faith.
So is she trying to catch them
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here with some word salad or do you think?
I mean, the root of this is saying you marry this man that
you did because of your religious faith.
So are you saying that if your religious faiths changed, you
would leave your husband? That's like what she's saying,
right? Yeah, and the superstition bit
is almost a little OK. You knock on wood, you get
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further into heaven. You are with a husband, with
more wives. You get a step further into
heaven. You're closer to heaven, You're
closer to God. You are in the land of the
chosen ones further and further based on the wives.
So what I'm gathering here is they're getting to, if you
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didn't believe that anymore, if you just didn't think that it
would get you further into heaven, would you leave this
lifestyle? And Robyn, I think she's been
pretending this whole time and I think she's been building up
in her head what she's going to say because she started
responding to Kollene with this do not earlier in the
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questioning and didn't get to say it because she was
interrupted. OK.
So then we get our famous words from Robyn, and they don't even
make sense here. They don't even make sense here.
So Kristyn ends with, so
basically what you're just saying is that you would leave
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if you guys didn't believe it. And Robyn says do not twist my
words. If I woke up unhappy I would
leave. Do not make me a victim,
sweetie. Yes, and the poll from this
quote is an infamous line from the beginning of our show.
This is the very first sound bite that we're getting from the
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show that is referenced in our intro of this very fabulous
podcast. Don't twist my words.
Do not make me a victim, sweetie.
And it was satisfying to hear because I hear it all the time.
I hear it so many times. I feel like I need to compulsory
just say it one more time myself.
Please do. Do not twist my words.
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Do not make me a victim, sweetie.
So satisfying. It's unfortunate that it's Robyn
and it's unfortunate that it's in this situation.
It is fortunate that she did try to say it earlier and was cut
off. At least we got that
satisfaction. It would have made sense
earlier. It doesn't fucking make sense
here. She sat on this.
(45:15):
She was holding the sides of her chair, just gripping them with
white knuckles, waiting to fucking.
Say yes and the nonverbals is her literally leaning over, Mike
in hand, ready to do it. Like she has been crouching,
crouching, waiting for these moments to say something like
(45:37):
this. Like a Viper, like an owl in a
tree waiting to strike. Because ordinarily, you know,
she looks like she's sitting there missing what's going on,
completely unaware of her surroundings or what anybody's
doing, and then piping in eventually to, you know, say her
two cents because she has to talk.
Because she's not listening, she's waiting to speak.
(45:58):
Yes, for the one line that she knows she can actually say,
Yeah. So our Netflix documentary
Goddess Christine Marie asks Kody if his motivation was his
faith, and he agrees. OK, cool, whatever.
I don't know why we're stuck on that.
Like, why would that even? Like, of course it is.
Well, she's trying to maybe ask if it's about, you know, his
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carnal nature, his tool of God, which he's saying, yes, it's
about my tool of God. We know what that tool is.
But he just gets to say it's my faith, it's my faith, whatever.
This is my faith. Fucking liar.
The last bit of this episode, we have some back and forth
between couch moments with the Browns and then back to some
of the post panel footage after they've wrapped up.
(46:42):
So do they give us a nice clean bow of the actual panel ending?
Of course not, because this was edited like crap and all of a
sudden the panel's just done. But we have this couch moment
with the Browns and Meri Cher. She was disappointed at how the
debate turned out that it was so combative.
And Christine says the debate in general, I think it was awful.
(47:05):
And then they show Kristyn hugging Logan and Janelle
talking to Kollene, asking her about getting her driver's
license. And then Kristyn and Christine
are having a conversation and Kristyn says, do you all want to
go out for dinner? So once again, a reminder for
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those of you who are going, who the fuck are they talking about
this episode? Kristyn is Christine's aunt who
is now chatting with her after this panel.
And you know, we had Christine being so nervous.
The whole thing was about avoiding her.
She's so scared. She doesn't know what she's
going to do. Now they've had this combative
discussion. The panel is wrapped and Kristyn
is asking her niece, who she hasn't had a relationship with
(47:52):
in a very long time, asking her do you want to go to dinner?
Christine, of course, says no. And I'm thinking to myself, why
not like, this is over? If you truly respect each
other's opinions and you get where each other are coming
from, you see the other side of the story, which is what you
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essentially came down to on the stage, why not just go to
dinner? And it turns out that Kristyn
was waiting for Christine to leave the bathroom to be
respectful and Christine thought that she was standing out
there to intimidate her the whole time.
The miscommunication in this family is on the same level as a
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fucking sitcom. This is some sort of like
Friends bullshit, standing in the corner waiting for someone
to leave because you're trying to give them their space and
they're in there shaking in their hot boots.
So I'm so scared. No, that is not even what was
happening, Christine. It's upsetting and it's kind of
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sad because they lost a moment for connection.
They did miss an opportunity to reconnect and given that her
aunt was talking to her like this, I didn't pick up on any
villain behavior, you know, like, do you want to go get
dinner with me like she was just did she appeared to just be
genuinely asking You want to go grab a bite?
Like I don't know, I. Really think she was.
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Going back to the couch, Kody says it was sad because they
never came to any kind of agreement during these panels.
And Janelle piggybacks on that by saying it was sad that we
didn't even agree to disagree. So, you know, I can appreciate
that. Take away that we really didn't
end anything well and we didn't even really agree to disagree.
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The thing that I agreed with was that, Kody said.
It's sad because we never reached over the fence.
We never figured out how to help our community.
OK, Yeah. So it could have come to
something if they would have figured out a way to help people
that were really struggling in polygamy and agreed that
polygamy is going to happen whether you like it or not.
(50:03):
So what can we do to help people in it that are in it in
distress and needing help, right?
I agree with Kody there. Yeah, they could have pivoted to
a way to talk about the negative things that they're
both talking about that happened in the culture.
They both acknowledge it. The Browns are saying that's not
us, that's not us. And the anti plagues are being
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like it's a systematic, it's a, it's a it's a underlying problem
in the culture. And so why can't we address it?
And they never got on the same
page about what they even have shared opinions about.
They were all taking it too personally instead of looking at
the broad picture. The broad strokes with the brush
were distracting them from the from what their actual broad
take away could have been their shared experience.
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Because, Robyn says yet again. I got pretty angry.
The truth would not be heard here.
What are you talking about? The truth is both sides.
The truth is all the things. Right, like the anti plague
people were just lying. Like, no, Robyn, they weren't.
Christine and Willie are talking while everyone is getting up
(51:06):
and leaving and Christine is asking Willie if he's OK and
he says yes, yes I'm OK and theyshow everybody chatting
afterwards that was on the paneland it doesn't seem combative.
I don't understand why they couldn't have gone out to dinner
and just had a conversation about other things.
(51:28):
Because if you connect on another level outside of
polygamy versus non polygamy, it would probably be easier to
come back together and fight thegood fight later.
Right. Yeah, if that was your goal.
They lost out. But we get to hear more from
Professor Creepo, so that's exciting.
This is great. A part of the ending that I'm
excited about when he's talking about polygamous families and
(51:51):
their success criteria. Oh, he has boiled it down to
three bullet points that he thinks is the success criteria
for polygamist. This is backed by fact, science,
stats and his bad dye job. His observations of what helps a
polygamist family succeed. And of course these things are
(52:14):
mind blowing and hard to understand.
Not economically well off is the first bullet point.
So, you know, I guess that's pretty much universal.
I don't know that that's necessarily polygamous specific.
But yeah, it turns out if you're not struggling to make ends
meet everyday, you might have a little bit more success in
your. Life be happier.
One that is polygamous specific is if the husband manages
(52:37):
affection as to not demonstrate a favorite wife.
He says, he says #2 the husband worked very hard at trying to
manage his affection if he had afavorite wife.
It was very quiet. It was very.
Quiet. What the fuck #3?
And most important? The sister wives have become
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friends, and I've learned that from the Browns.
In what study have you learned that the study of the Browns
behavior over how many meetings I want to know.
Right. How many Pelagos families have
you studied? I want to know.
What? I'd love to know the parameters
(53:24):
of what friends are in a sisterwife relationship.
You know what I mean? Like, yeah, these bitches are
all saying they're friends, OK? These bitches are falsifying
records. Left.
And right, he's seeing what he wants to see.
This guy is weird. He's weird.
He is weird and so for those of you that have seen the show, you
(53:46):
know that he rears his ugly head and he returns on this
show. And when he returns, I would say
it's actually even worse than this.
So you got that to look forward to.
Robyn thinks that more families just need to come forward and
they catch her from a side view.
This. Monster looking bitch from
(54:07):
Transylvania. This bird ass bitch thinks that
just more families need to comeforward and it'd be all right.
Robyn says. It was what it was.
We need to get more people to share their stories, Kody
volunteers. I melted down.
So he melted down, apparently. I don't know what that means.
(54:30):
I guess he feels like he didn't say enough.
But Robyn looks at him lovingly.You know, she looks over that
nose just like the drunk driver,closing one eye to stay between
the lines. She's staring at Kody.
She says. I don't think you melted down.
I think you stood up for your beliefs.
I think your beliefs were under attack and you stood up for your
(54:54):
beliefs. We always end on a dumbass Robyn
quote or a dumbass Kody quote.It's like, where do we go from
here? It can only go up and then it's
like never mind, next episode is the same shit.
Next episode looks a little exciting.
We are going to learn about Leon's school issues and their
(55:16):
lack of tuition money and we aregoing to learn about Kody giving
away his cheap ass jewelry to the wives that he designed.
Oh, I thought you were going to say giving away his purity.
Giving away as ugly as jewelry and seeing if the wives are
(55:38):
disappointed. We're jealous of each other's
jewelry from Moreno Enterprises.Moreno Enterprises.
But best of all, we're going to a marriage retreat.
Oh God with the therapist. I can't remember her name right
now, but this is going to be good.
We're going to call her Godiva. Lady Godiva.
(55:59):
No, we're not going to call her.There, I can't wait to meet you,
darling. It's going to be good.
It's going to be good. A marriage retreat that really,
really helps them strengthen their marital bonds.
These four women and Kody. It's about as real as it sounds.
Here we are again, mustard seed
(56:20):
and shit stain. I think you should go versus
Sam. Oh God, OK so my mustard seed
this episode is going to go to Aspen because I need to give her
a little point to help even up that shit stain you gave her
even though she did deserve it for.
Totally deserve it, she. Totally did deserve it, but she
made-up for it with this episode by supporting her mom and her
(56:44):
other mom and her other mom and her other mom that aren't
really moms by going to this panel, sitting front row,
smiling, showing support and hanging out with Logan.
We didn't hear a lot from her this episode, but she did really
encourage Christina at the beginning.
You know, she was like trying to give her words of affirmation
and saying you've got this. There's nothing to be worried
(57:06):
about. You're going to be great.
And also then saying to the camera, I know my mom's fucking
nervous and I've got to be there to support her.
So at least she did support her family, whether they deserved
it or not. That's a good one because I
would say my mustard seed is going to go to Christine's Aunt
Kristyn. Oh, OK.
(57:28):
I think she obviously had an experience completely opposite
of what was being portrayed. She stuck it out for 33 years,
which is difficult. Whether you think that's good or
bad, whether you think you know she broke away from that after
(57:49):
that long, either way, she seems like a strong woman.
She seems very intelligent. She, I was very articulate
through everything. The only time that I thought she
overstepped was saying that she wanted to kidnap Christine and
it was obviously an over exaggeration of how she feels.
(58:11):
It was bad wording given the circumstances and given the cult
that they're in and the fact that people do kind of have to
be kidnapped from it sometimes to escape like children.
I mean, but I think she was very articulate and I give her
props for getting out and then speaking out.
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So my mustard seed goes to Kristyn.
My shit stain has me in the fields a bit because I'm giving
my shit stain to Janelle. I think there are several
choices in this episode, but the reason that I'm going with
Janelle is because I really, really don't like the lying.
(58:56):
I really don't like the lying. And I also it, it starts for me
with the narrative that she's currently running with with I
used to have to lie. I used to have to lie.
I'm so glad I don't have to lie.
You're still lying. She lied about being married to
Meri's brother and made it sound as if she made it sound as
if she was friends with Meri's family, her token polygamous
(59:18):
friends. Oh my gosh.
And then I just kind of felt like, oh, I just could, you
know, whatever. No, you're lying.
It was a bold faced lie. I do not like that.
You're right. I also was not a fan of how
Janelle talked about making her own money and having her own
bank account and almost cacklingin a condescending manner that
the audience totally bought intoand actually applauded for her
(59:41):
because she has to know that hersister wives are not in that
same position. So yes, she's speaking for
herself, but she knows that she is unique in that situation, so
that was fucked up. She also says because of her
religious beliefs, she's allowedto marry whoever she wants,
whether they're married or not. Yeah, which is whatever that is.
It doesn't even have to do with
(01:00:02):
the actual religious beliefs about getting into heaven.
They're glossing over the fact about why they need a plural
marriage to begin with. This is holdover also from
recent episodes where she was talking about the lying and how
she was over that and she doesn't have to lie anymore but
she's still lying and I really don't like it.
(01:00:23):
I just really do not like that.
It might not be that dramatic but this episode has made my
brain turn into mush and crap. So I crap a pile of crap.
So Janelle, you get my shit stain.
My shit stain is going to go to Robyn yet again.
As always, she seems to get one because she didn't listen.
(01:00:45):
She did not listen, she was justwaiting to answer.
That's a huge problem with a lotof people.
They're in a conversation and instead of listening to the
person they're speaking with, they're waiting till they can
speak. I got that a lot from her with a
(01:01:05):
Do not make me a victim sweetie.
We think of that as a very dramatic line where she's
standing up for herself and there is somebody calling her
out and saying something horrible leading up to it.
Bullshit. Complete and utter bullshit.
She tried to say it earlier on.
(01:01:27):
I heard the beginning of this line earlier on in the episode
and I thought she was going to say it and then she didn't.
And then she says it later and I'm like, bitch, you've been
waiting to say that. You have been waiting to say
that. You're such a fucking liar and
you're full of shit as per usual, trying to make yourself
(01:01:49):
look like the victim but not. Do not make me a victim.
Sweetie. You play the victim card more
than anyone else in this family.Oh, yeah?
So you're doing it to yourself. Shut the fuck up.
The only reason that word is in your head is because you know
you want to play it. Yeah.
So how about you shut your dirtywhore mouth, Robyn Siri?
(01:02:13):
Dirty whore mouth. Siri Net Siri.
Oh, Speaking of Robyn getting your shit stain, we're going to
do a little mini keep suite before we do our big keep suite.
Our mini keep suite is from a
comment that just came in this week on our YouTube video from
Robbins purity speech episode. Robyn Secret and Tonya Carter
(01:02:35):
pointed out that Robyn should get a shit stain for turning her
whole phase into a Me Too story.
That it's shameful and it absolutely is shameful and what
a great connection. It's one of those comments where
I'm like, I wish we would havethought of that, you know,
because it's totally true. Like your whole face is now a me
(01:02:56):
too story. Terrible, terrible.
Robyn, you literally just had anentire episode about how you're
a fake victim. Bullshit, bullshit.
Bullshit, Robyn. But a real keep sweet moment
this week is a YouTube comment from Katie 2284.
And Katie says, I just wanted tosay that the first time I saw a
(01:03:18):
video from you guys, the opening song made me cry because
my Papa would sing that to me when I was little.
He passed away in 2003 and I hadn't heard that song since
then. It was an instant subscribe in
the 1st 5 seconds heart emoji. And I just thought that was, I
don't even want to say sweet because we were making fun of
the sweet thing. But I don't know, that just hit
(01:03:41):
me in a certain spot, made me feel humanity, which is very
unlike me. And I'm just so glad that Katie
2284, you shared that story on a YouTube comment.
Yeah, it warms my cockles. Yeah, it makes me feel something
close to where my heart is supposed to be.
Songs are so magical because they can take us back to a point
(01:04:05):
in time that is very special and just transport us and so can
smell, and I thank God that I could not smell this college
auditorium during this panel. That's all I have to say.
It probably would bring me back to a place in time where I was
in college and just praying to the Lord baby Jesus that I would
(01:04:29):
survive college. So.
Well, honey, maybe you would have enjoyed your college
experience a little more if you had Professor Creepo there
helping you out, guiding you with his analytics and his data.
Perhaps he could have convinced
me to become a sister wife.
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