October 3, 2024 • 42 mins
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It's not everyday you get to sit down with a personality as vibrant as Ginjer Wulff. From her humble beginnings in school and church productions to starring in high-profile commercials, her journey into the world of acting is nothing short of inspiring. Join us as we delve into her captivating stories of beating the odds when she auditioned for and booked a Super Bowl commercial.
The road to success in the acting industry is not without its challenges, but it's conquering these challenges that makes the journey worthwhile. Ginjer shares deeply personal insights about the importance of not succumbing to the culture of comparison. The guys share their audition techniques that have helped them put their best foot forward. From enhancing focus and memorization to submitting audition tapes early, they have some indispensable tips for aspiring actors.
And it doesn't stop there. Ginjer opens up about the emotional roller-coaster ride that acting often is, and how a strong network of creatives can act as a safety net during tough times. The guys and Ginjer talk dream roles and how art possesses the power to help people experience profound emotions safely. Join us for this heartwarming conversation with Ginjer Wulff and let her tale of determination and perseverance inspire you to chase your dreams. This episode contains explicit content.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Did I ever tell you the story about that, hello?
Speaker 3 (00:14):
Welcome to the Nola film scene with TJ Play-Doh.
I'm TJ and, as always, I'mPlay-Doh.
Welcome back to another episodeof Nola Film Scene.
We're here with our good friendGinger Wolfe.
Hello.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Ginger, thanks so much for joining us.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
We're interested to hear aboutyour acting journey.
We know a little bit about yourbackground.
You and I met in a class at JimGleason's.
I don't know if you've had someclasses with Brian.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
We have.
We did the famous circletogether.
That's all that we seem to talkabout.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
And I believe that's where we met.
Was that the circle exerciseright?
Speaker 3 (00:47):
That's correct.
It all comes back around to thecircle.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
In a big circle.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
That's sad.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
So I started acting when I was younger.
I always really liked stageacting.
I always really liked chorusand all those local things that
creative people tend to do aschildren I was very interested
in.
I did it quite for some time inlocal church, local school and
then after high school I kind offaded out into it.
I was in Florida before and Iwas in St Augustine, so the real
(01:16):
big local acting scene wasOrlando and I was just not in a
position at that point in myjourney to be able to drive two
and a half hours for a job.
So when we moved here toLouisiana I realized that New
Orleans was a film hub that wasgetting bigger every day and
somebody at the gym randomly sawme and my son playing like
(01:39):
pickleball or something racketball and said you know, started
talking to me and told me aboutthe site, my casting file and I
started getting into backgroundacting and was able to book a
couple of commercials as aprimary, been in a couple of
movies as background.
So it's been fun and reallyinteresting.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Yeah, you did a real big commercial last year, didn't
you?
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Yeah, I was one of the primaries for the he Gets Us
campaign.
That was on the Super Bowl.
That was actually the first jobI ever auditioned for, oh wow.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Nice.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Did I ever tell you the story about that?
Speaker 3 (02:11):
No, no, but this is a perfect time for you to do that
, so it's a long story short.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
There was like over 2000 people that auditioned, you
know, for this commercial andsome of us were slated for
primary and then some of us wereslated for background and then
some didn't have the opportunityto participate in the end.
But they put you in with apartner and we walk in and I'm
kind of like was in this weirdtransitional phase where the
(02:39):
year before we had been throughthe process of renovating our
home, I was living in an RV, Itook on custody of my brother's
two kids, so I wasn't like at mypeak for fitness or like just
self care.
So I walk into this auditionand there's a very handsome
gentleman next to me as mypartner, very charismatic, very,
you know, intelligent, and heknows everybody already there.
(03:02):
I'm just going, you're going me, hey.
So they broke it down intothree different parts.
The first part it was basicallyus.
As soon as we had seven minutes, I think from start to finish,
the time we walked to the Georgewas the time we walked out.
The first, like two minutes, wasa set of scenario where we were
driving in traffic.
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I cut off my partner.
He rear ended me.
We get out, we're both veryangry that we're in a car
accident.
So you know the anger escalates.
We're interacting with eachother.
Just you know, ad libessentially, and taking
direction or not from thecasting director and the people
in the room.
I felt like I did really wellwith that.
It was really nice back andforth, very cohesive.
(03:44):
The second part was my partnerwould berate me on some type of
social topic like transgenderpeople using you know whatever
restroom or political stance, oryou know things that tend to
get heated, abortion, any ofthose topics.
So my partner verrated me and Iverrated him.
The last part was 90 seconds ofwhat was supposed to be a rant,
(04:07):
from a scale of like one to 11.
You know, during this process,you know they're giving us
guidance.
So they were like, hey, youknow, ginger, you're let me see,
you're a Trump supporter.
You're a very right wingindignant on a mission type
person.
So I kind of ran with thatthroughout the segment.
So we get to this camera andI'm supposed to speak directly
(04:30):
to the camera and I start out as, like Trump was the best.
He parted in little way.
And, mind you, I know nothingabout politics, I'm not, I don't
care.
I've been in this for a longtime anyway, so for the longest
time I felt like it was kind ofout of my depth to, and I kind
of used it as an excuse to notstay up to date on political
(04:52):
stuff.
So I didn't have.
I wasn't a Trump supporter, Iwasn't a Biden supporter.
I think they both suck.
So it was really interestingbecause I just popped out with
what I felt like the scenario ofthe person that they had in
their mind what they wanted.
So I was like Trump's the best.
He parted in little way.
The American household was$6,000 higher the year before.
(05:13):
Trump grabbed a pussy andthat's the American dream.
And then, once it was out there, I couldn't take it back.
So I had to be committed.
I have never been so horrifiedin my life.
Listen, I was like, internally,I felt like I had Tourette's.
You know what I mean Like thisis not, this is not what I was
going for and I don't know whereit came from.
(05:35):
But the casting directorsmacked the desk and hit the
floor as soon as it happened.
So I was like he couldn't stoplaughing and I'm thinking I was
supposed to be like I rate, butin my mind, rants don't
typically make sense.
They start in one direction andthen they tend to go somewhere
else without like a clear,concise train of thought.
(05:55):
So that's kind of what I wastrying to emulate and I was so
embarrassed I cried after thataudition and, like I changed my
hair, I went and got my clothes.
I did not want to be recognizedas the Tourette's girl who
screamed out Trump, grab Nani.
In the middle of her firstaudition for like three weeks I
was I can't believe.
I said that I can't.
Why did I do that?
I can't believe I did that.
(06:16):
And then I got an email sayingthey booked me for the job and
it was like the first person outof the group of people that was
within my agent that wasnotified, that was actually
chosen.
So I thought it was reallyinteresting because that's how
it's been for both of my jobsactually that have been audition
jobs is I thought I bombed itand I got booked, and all the
ones where I'm like, yeah, thisis it Nothing.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Right, right.
You never know what's going tograb their attention.
You know and you can have thebest audition.
You just might not have theright.
Look You're going to have theworst audition and they love
your look.
It's all a crap, that's right.
All you can do is do your bestevery time.
That's right you clarify alittle bit.
That's the he got us.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
He gets us.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Yeah, nonverbal.
It was shown during the SuperBowl and it showed angry people
and it wanted.
The intent was to get peopletogether off of all these
divisions that we had.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Correct, correct, and I think that's why they wanted
to see it anger.
Yes, yeah the title of thecommercials confrontation.
You could find it on YouTube.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
Right, right.
The other thing we've beenasking people is what was your
inspiration to go frombackground to striving for
speaking part?
Yeah, what brought you into theclasses?
What inspired you?
Speaker 1 (07:19):
So I never really saw myself as background.
I had a lot of drama andtheater training as a child.
I really enjoyed it.
I really like being able tobring a character to life and
give them quirks and make themmemorable and make them my own,
and I just kind of always sawmyself doing that.
But I felt like I didn't knowhow to get in the industry.
I mean, I've heard get an agent, get on a site, okay, but how
(07:42):
you know?
So basically, I use theinformation that I got from Eric
Lemuel.
You might know who he is, brian.
I think he's on your Facebook.
But he was actually the personthat told me about my casting
file and was how I joined, andit was really a great segue for
me to go from, you know, beingfocused on my home life and not
(08:03):
really caring very well formyself to focusing and
regrouping on, like, my child'sgetting a little older, because
he's about to be four now thisis a year ago so getting him
into some type of consistentdaycare, getting like some
normalcy, and then being able totake back my creative freedom
and to see if it would be a goodfit because, dude, there's some
(08:24):
projects, like I worked on theairport movie and they wanted me
for every day of the week forsix like five to six days out of
the week for six weeks, for 15hour days.
I did that for a week and Icouldn't do that again Just
because I was getting up,because I live in Slidell, so
I'm an hour away from where theywere filming.
I was getting up at four in themorning and it wasn't coming
(08:46):
home to like 930 at night.
It was just too much with thethree year old.
So it was really nice to be ableto figure out how committed am
I Like?
Am I willing to be here all dayto possibly have my elbow in a
shot, you know?
Am I willing to drive an hourand a half to be a part of a
really cool show or a reallycool project, even if I'm not
(09:11):
recognized on the set?
Does that make sense?
Speaker 3 (09:15):
Oh, it also too is a great for me.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
It was really good to see like a lot of people
believe that I had so manypeople on my Facebook.
Oh, you're a commercial, youmust be making so much money.
No, no, so it was a nice.
I think it was a really greatway to say am I, is this what I
(09:37):
really want?
Am I willing to do whateverybody else is already doing?
And then some because I feltlike I was behind the curve
Because, while a lot of myfellow actors had been doing
this for years, I was justgetting started at 36 as far as
professionally.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Right, I can totally understand.
I just started four years ago,so I was 49 or almost 49.
I thought you were my age.
I'm 53.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
I thought you were a lot younger than that, bro.
I'm just so pretty.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
I started late too.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
It puts the ocean on its skin.
Thank you for calling meBuffalo Bill, I think anyway, I
was actually referring to myself, because I need a lotion to not
look 50 when I'm 36.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
I got you.
I need to start a facialregimen, I think it's called.
But I've always had a youngface.
I think it runs in my familySmaller nose, smaller teeth.
But also because I workgraveyard shift, I'm not out in
the sun.
You know I'm not bad, Not thatI don't drink.
But working seven days a week,it's kind of hard to go out at
night till eight, nine, 10o'clock and get up for four,
five, six in the morning,sometimes three in the morning,
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and function and then have toclean up after the party,
especially if you've just beenin and going.
Why did I make this mess?
Like I just cleaned up after aSaints football game at one of
the bars today and I love theSaints but I hate cleaning up
after the fans, you know don'tlove the after party.
Yeah, it pays the bills so I canact right.
Right, ginger, what was yourfirst acting?
We've heard from a couple ofpeople our last two guests, they
(11:07):
see because whenever you knowwe've taken our classes together
, I take selfies.
I promote whether it's I reallydon't do Jim's class, take
pictures every week, buteverybody knows I'm taking class
and then, oh, you work so hardBecause, like you, I felt like I
was behind the curve.
I'm tired of being a janitorand I want some meaty roles.
Background's great.
I love doing background.
That was so much fun.
You can't pay the bills, atleast not in Louisiana.
(11:27):
In LA or New York, you have achance to become a SAG and do it
and you might be able to, youknow, work out a career with it,
especially now with the strikecoming.
Maybe that will help.
Yada, yada, yada.
So but then I gave that upbecause I wanted the lines you
know, and it took me a while.
In Jim's, in Jim Gleason's class, the application, which is
where you study the scenes andyou do it's basically like an
audition.
You learn your craft.
(11:48):
It's premier, intermediate andadvanced and I was looking up
and made it up to intermediateand then I kind of stalled for a
while and it's like, oh God,I'm not an actor, oh crap, I'm
not doing anything.
Then finally, you know, did anindie film here, took some other
classes.
I took and and Mahoney's selftape class and Charlie Adler's
voice acting class, each of themtwice.
They're on zoom like six monthsapart, and because I had to
(12:09):
stop I went on vacation so Ididn't feel like I finished the
class and then Charlie just wantto be a voice actor and Charlie
Adler's is the best.
So but each of those teacherssaw on the second class, my
first day, they were like youhave improved so much and it
felt so good and actually beingin an independent film with
lines.
I finally felt that I wasn't astudent, I was now an actor.
Need the job, yet I want it,but I'm an actor.
I can call myself an actor.
(12:29):
I don't feel bad about sayingthat anymore, and now I really.
So those were the changes forme.
Do you remember your firstacting class?
Was it with Jim?
Speaker 1 (12:37):
My first acting class was actually upstairs with
Debbie Debbie Goddett and then Iwent to Jim and I signed up for
, I think, something that Hunterdid that went over at Love
Acting.
So I've done a few things.
I would like to be.
Yes, the intensive workshop,yes, I would like to be more
involved.
It's a little more difficultfor me right now with where I'm
(12:59):
at, you know, physically, withhaving small children in the
home and being an hour over thebridge.
A lot of the classes are atnight, so it makes it hard for
me to get.
I'm an early morning person.
I'm up five o'clock, fivethirty, six o'clock every day
and I start to lose steam aboutfour thirty.
So if I'm not already out inthe area at four or five o'clock
(13:20):
, I'm not coming out.
You know, and that's somethingelse too.
That's again, it's a mindsetthing, it's not only because if
I really wanted to change myschedule.
Could I?
Absolutely Would.
It be very stressful for me andmy family, Absolutely.
But again, it's.
Where are you.
I have goals, like little goalsto be able to have more freedom
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in the evening, some things thatI just have to work through.
Also, seasonally, things changefor me.
I tend to be more open,schedule wise January through
like July, and then I do a bigHalloween party.
It's my nephew's birthday, myson's birthday, my favorite
holiday so I've got like tenthousand dollars with the
Halloween crap that I throw outin this big yard I have and just
(14:00):
invite anybody who wants tocome.
So if you guys have nothinggoing on, in.
October.
Let me know.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
I saw your pumpkin post.
I saw your pumpkin post whenyou started working.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Yeah, I've been following your post on the stuff
that you're making.
My favorite one was the blacklight one with the skeleton.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Yeah, I'm actually going to have two of those.
I have one out now and I boughta bunch of the twelve foot
things from Home Depot.
I like five of them out there,bunch of stuff in the house,
bunch of stuff I made.
So it's cool too because, likeso we've been on strike right so
I was working a lot and thenthe strike started and it was
like there was no work.
But it kind of worked well forme because it had coincided with
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I happened to travel a lotduring the summer, so I was in
the point where I just kind ofneeded to break in a reset.
So I was grateful for the lapse.
But it's like I'm able to getcaught up on things and able to
have this creative outlet,because otherwise I feel like
I'd just be kicking around dust,you know, spinning circles
around myself, because I'm justsick busy to feel productive
(14:58):
Even if I'm just doing circles.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
And and the lag started.
Jobs started drying up,basically January, if not a
little bit before, becausepeople knew the strikes we're
probably gonna happen, or thechance of them we're gonna have,
and so they didn't want to bein the middle of production and
have to stop.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
You know, yeah, so yeah, I went from working like
at least twice a week I'llbasically every week in January
to like March came around andthey were saying, hey, we had
you booked for this job but wehave to shelf it.
And then I booked a job a smalljob, I think in DC.
That was like a recrimereenactment.
And then I had the other job inMay, which was the Blue Cross,
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blue Shield commercial, where Igot to be like the boxer and
that was it.
Nice have it.
I actually just got a requestfor an audition Friday for a
movie that's supposed to film inMississippi.
My son got a request last nighttoo, so that's nice to see
stuff starting to come throughagain.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
Yeah, I always remember I might even been our
second circle exercise and, likeJim says, we don't get in depth
about it.
But it is living a life andthere are emotions involved and
you touched on some of youremotions.
So when you were talking to theclass about it, you turn to me,
goes yeah, that's why I wishyou had stood up so I can unload
on you.
And it was the second personthat day, that was one person
(16:15):
did unload them and then youlike I can take Brian.
I'm like, what did I do?
Speaker 1 (16:18):
I'm just trying to, and that was our introduction,
basically yeah, I think that waslike our second or third class
together, but I had seen you inclasses and I'd been watching
you on social media.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
So I was actually able.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
I felt like you would be able to Take and respond and
we would be able to have acohesive scene, no matter where
you were at, with what you wereportraying, you know or?
Speaker 3 (16:43):
yeah, the scenario was well, I've always seen you
as kind of a force of nature.
I said about Charlie Adler tobut ginger's there and it's
wonderful, but it's, it's a whoa.
Hang on, here we go and it's alot of fun.
I'm like TJ, that guy yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
I'm boring, I'm dull.
I thought you had some reallystrong emotions, some really
powerful scenes in the ex thecircle exercise that I was at
with you.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
Thank, you See, I feel like you guys are all over
the scene.
I feel like every time I turnmy social media on that.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
You guys are on another project.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
So it I have to kind of keep the mindset to of I'm a
baby and I'm fortunate to beinvited to even audition, right,
because otherwise I'll get inthe mindset of whole thing what
are they doing?
Well, that's really cool, Ididn't get to do that.
It's like well, did youaudition, did you try out?
No, so, but that conscious ifthat makes sense.
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I think that's what eats peopleup in the beginning and I
believe that is what makes it sohard for a lot of people in the
Industry, because a lot ofpeople are struggling
financially right now with theirjobs, no matter what they're
doing right.
So that's right.
If you can argue, deal with thestruggle of the money aspect and
knowing that you might not,you're not gonna be big ballin
for a Little minute.
You know most.
(17:57):
You know it's a general blanketstatement for most people if
you are able to endure the Noseand the silence and you're able
to allow People to say you, as ahuman being, are perfectly fine
as you are you.
For this role, you would needto data, data, data, data, data.
Does that make sense?
I feel like that is what killspeople in the industry in the
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beginning, as they they come invery bright-eyed and bushy,
tailed with aspirations anddreams which are amazing.
But sometimes it's like youhave to realize that.
You know, rome wasn't built ina day type deal when it's like
to compare yourself to others,which is something that I fall
into.
Allow myself to go that routesometimes, but I tend to snap
out of it quickly.
(18:40):
Thank God I've learned torecognize it, because I think it
could be super detrimental toSomebody who who needs
validation, like from theirselves or from at least their
peers or their co-workers, tosay that they're doing a good
job, which you might not evenget, that on a scene that you're
booked on, you know you mightnot know that you did a good job
until you see it and it airsand everybody else.
(19:02):
You know what I'm saying, so Ithink that's something that is
really interesting about thisindustry, is it?
It allows you to see, like,where you're really at with your
emotional Intuitiveness andyour thick skinnedness, as far
as what are you willing to do tobe able to move forward with
your journey, and do you need totailor your journey to what you
(19:25):
aren't Willing to do?
You know what I mean right,right, right.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
It's difficult to not compare yourself to other
people, but you have to reallyfocus and concentrate on only
comparing yourself to yourself.
My coach, my, my acting teacher, is James DeMonte and he says
I've never been rejected for arole, I just wasn't selected.
And he teaches from position ofthe audition is the win, that's
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the job.
The audition is the job.
If you get the audition,crafting that audition and
shooting that self-tape, that'sthe job.
That that's you're a workingactor.
When you get that audition,because of the amount of work
that goes into Preparing that.
And another actor I said this ina previous podcast and another
friend told me one time Once yousubmit it, submit and forget,
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don't even think about whetheror not you're gonna get the call
back or you're gonna book therole once it goes.
Once it goes out, it's out ofyour hands, there's nothing you
can do, there's no point inworrying about it.
And a casting director in factit was during the same intensive
that you mentioned earlier withHunter McHugh.
I saw y'all at that, I was inthe waiter session.
He said sometimes it's just outof their hands.
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Casting will like somebody andthey'll send people forward that
they recommend, but productionmay already have somebody else
in mind and there's nothing youcan do about it.
They may have a role that theypromise to somebody else and
it's out of your hands.
You know.
You might be perfect for therole, but they want somebody
else, so you never can reallytell.
It may not have anything to dowith the performance that you
did.
You know Brian mentionedearlier, you may be the wrong
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height.
You may be taller than the lead, you may be shorter, you may,
you know it just may not meshwell with the scene.
So I it's difficult, but I trynot to get into my own head
about that stuff, you know.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
Yeah, and we say that I'm not getting my own head and
then you getting in your ownhead, you can't help it.
I have two that are.
The callback is today.
So if I don't hear from today,that's pretty much it.
And I shared one with you, tj,for the commercial, and the
other one I had just posted partof my singing class and I felt
very good about that.
And then the next day I saw anaudition that involved a
musician, but you could sing.
(21:24):
I was like what the hell, I'mgonna try.
And I thought that was a prettygood one.
And so, yeah, look, theuniverse sees me and it sees I
can sing.
It's, it's all about that timeyou kind of you get excited.
And then the, the commercialaudition.
I actually got feedback and inthe casting director said, oh
man, that was great.
I was like, oh, thank you.
I think there was no word, itwas all non-verb on.
You had to go through theemotions, you know, and I said I
was afraid I wasn't doingenough when I wasn't acting big
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and I was afraid I was actingtoo big when I was supposed to
be Active big, because, no, no,it was strong.
Oh yeah means I got it right?
Well, I haven't heard anythingon either one.
So you know you can.
You can have your best day andthat's what you have to
celebrate.
You know what I mean.
It's still heartbreaking, butat the same time, I'm waiting
for that and I got two more selftape Requests today.
Same thing.
I put in for two different role.
Take every victory.
You can.
That's right.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
I think both of us gave some sage advice.
Yeah, thank you, would like to,you know, piggyback on that
question.
What do you do for yourselvesIf you have a role that maybe
you're nervous about, or youknow You're?
You're really contemplatingbecause you've got the whole
script.
How much time do you dedicateto something like that and what
do?
What type of headspace?
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So for me, like, my headspaceis everything.
I have a lot of distractions ofADHD as it is.
So I have a lot of other thingsgoing on.
I cannot put my best effortinto an audition and I've had so
many people tell me, hey, getsomething down because you could
come back to it, because I'vemissed deadlines, because I will
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wait for the right time.
So I guess, like, my directquestion is what do you do to a
prevent, prevent missingdeadlines, and even though you
know it's coming up, it's notlike you forget about it, it's
like the, the procrastination.
How do you knit that in the bud?
What has been the most effectivetool for you, or ritual, or
(23:11):
whatever you want to call it tosay, hey, they're either gonna
love it or they're just gonnafind somebody else?
Let's not think too much in thegray.
What could, what could be, whatshould, what shouldn't be.
Let's get something out andsubmit it, and then, if they
want more, I could always getmore and then be.
If you're Deciding between twosides and you can only submit
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one, what, what it?
What do you go off of otherthan like just pure intuition,
to decide which one is?
Is your, your favor, or whichis the side that you're gonna
lean to to submit?
Does it make sense?
Speaker 2 (23:45):
Yeah, it does.
So what I do, unless itspecifically says only submit
one, take, I always submit twoand I make sure the second one
is different.
I do the first one for thecasting director and the second
one for me.
So the second one moreoutrageous, bigger, bolder, you
know, a bolder choice, adifferent choice, a different I
line from what I used in thefirst one and I start right away
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.
It depends on how long I haveif there's two or three days or
whatever to submit it.
My coach says submit as soon asyou can, don't wait until the
last minute and I've heardacting our casting directors say
that as well.
Don't wait till the last minuteto get it in.
The sooner you get it in a wellwell Crafted self tape, the
sooner they see it, because theyhave so many they're looking at
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, they start looking at themright away and if you can catch
their attention early whilethey're still excited to be
looking at self tapes andExcited to see what you're
putting out, you get in theirmind quicker.
I start breaking it down rightaway and I try to get that
character into my bones and I'llwalk around and I'll look at
the side for me to memorize it.
Everybody has differenttechniques.
I read it a bunch of times andI get real comfortable, real
(24:51):
familiar with it and I'll readbackwards out and I'll start
with the last word of my lineout, the very last line.
I look at that.
Okay, that's, and James taughtme this.
This is Basically what thescene is about, and I'll start
at the back and read the lastword and then the previous word
and work Backwards with eachsentence.
For me it helps just get thatcompletely into my brain and I
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try to find just a quiet space.
You know, life goes on, thingsare happening around you.
I just try to focus on that andif it's a really long one, I'll
even write it out.
I'll write it out a coupletimes too, because that forces
me to slow down and read eachword instead of Sometimes you
just scan passwords when you'rereading.
So that's two techniques I useto get it into my bones and I
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just get to where I can say thewhole thing without Referring to
the side.
And as I'm learning it, I'm notreading my scene partners lines
.
I might read the last couple ofwords of their line, just so I
know when the queue is, becauseI feel like if I'm learning
their lines too.
Then I start anticipating whatthey're gonna say versus
actually paying attention whatthey're saying, and then
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reacting to that and I try tostart on it as soon as I can and
try to get it out as soon as Ican actually mine have been kind
of on the last day.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
I look at my schedule .
I'd love to get it done, but atthe same time, looking at my
schedule, okay, I have to studyfor this class.
After study for this class, Ihave an improv show, an improv
class.
I have to get to, plus work.
But minute I get, I startreading and then I might just
read it a few times and thenThink about it and then studying
straight up memorization.
I use the cold read app, which Ican program.
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You record yourself and thenyou record the first line Is
that mine or is that my reader?
And you click the button andyou you record it all and you
can listen to it, the wholething.
I love doing that while I'mcleaning, while I'm working, if
I'm not listening to a podcast,or I usually don't listen to
music, and I just let it sink inand I think about it.
Oh, why is this person reactingthat way?
Why, what is my motivation here?
Why, why did I say that?
And I don't try to study theother person's lines, but
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looking for what in their lineinspired me to say that next
line.
And so, once I feel good withthat, you hit a button on this
app and it it's called on cue,so it will read the reader's
line and then wait for me and,using voice recognition, I have
to say my line and get all thewords right, especially the last
one, and and then it won't moveon until it hears that.
So it it's the best thing nextto having an actual person with
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you is the app called on.
No, no, cold read.
There's also a line learner.
I think I like cold.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
I've never heard of it.
I did not know such a thingexisted it.
What I was doing was I was justusing my camera and I would
just record it and like try toplay it in the car like after a
while.
It's not you know, it wasbasically only safe when I was
stopping, because once itwouldn't loop like a tic-tac
video Unless I posted it andthat's something you're gonna
post to your social.
(27:41):
So I couldn't figure out how toloop it like a song on repeat.
So I'm definitely gonna checkthat out.
That sounds really interesting.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
You could also use the memo app on your phone.
If you're excuse me, I'd use iton my apple one and you just
record as a paragraph.
There's no control of it, thatone will loop.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Okay, I didn't know that either so I'm looking up
right now.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
An actor friend of mine told me about one.
I don't remember if it was coldread or if it was similar to
cold read, but you can actuallyhave it when you record it.
You can have it change thevoice of your scene partner.
It does cold read.
Is that it's cold read, the onethat does that cold?
Speaker 3 (28:15):
read doesn't line learner might.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
It might have been that.
Yep, it's line learner.
Yeah, my friend told me aboutan actor that I worked with
named Blake.
Blake Nolan told me about this.
You can have it change thevoice of your scene partner, so
when you're reading it back itsounds different and it works
similar to cold read, whereit'll pause and wait for you to
Deliver your line.
Yeah, and I've heard cast anddirectors say that it doesn't
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matter to them, it doesn'tbother them if you're reading
your own lines.
Right, I know people that'll dothat.
They'll use some type of mobiledevice and have the lines.
I actually did that for thelast job I booked.
Normally my wife reads with meand she was traveling and
couldn't, so I had her recordher lines real quick and just
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spaced it out as though I wasgiving my lines, and then I
played it back for my tablet andused that for my self tape and
it worked out pretty well.
Fortunately it wasn't a reallylong scene to where timing could
have become an issue, but withthat particular scene it worked
out and I ended up getting acall back and booking that.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
You do have to be careful with that.
How do I put this?
I would do it so much, but onlyconcentrate on the words, so
that when I stepped into theaudition room, into Jim's class,
I was doing it, just wrote.
There was no emotion, there wasno feeling.
So you have to concentrate onthat still while you're
practicing.
First you kind of just got toget in your head and then it's
like, okay, why am I saying thisand all those good stuffs?
And you know you can't make itreally yell at you unless you
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yell in the app, that kind ofthing.
So just it.
That's the advanced stuff welearned, of course, in all the
classes.
And the other thing, for if Ineeded someone to read with me,
I set up my camera, my iPhoneand my in my little space out
there and then use a person on,and then I have a.
Let me try that again inEngland.
I have a person on mobile and Ihave a little speaker and so
that they're louder, I put thespeaker near the iPhone so you
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can hear my reader.
The only problem is because I'min my little DIY voice booth
here using this camera.
Right outside is my self tapearea.
They couldn't see me.
I didn't move the camera to thecorrect space the wire wouldn't
reach, so I kind of had toguess a little bit.
You know so, but but putting iton a speaker lets the people
hear your reader, which youdon't want your reader to
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outshine, you, but you want themto be able to hear that you're
reacting to something, right,right, oh, and so back to your
question.
It's for me, scheduling whencan I tape it?
Do I need a reader when theycan do it?
The practice in between, andthen for me, a lot of the
exhaustion because I do so much,like I taped one two Saturdays
ago and I was going to come homeand upload it.
I had a whole nother day to doit and when I got home I was
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just like I'm going to do ittomorrow.
You know, it's finding thatbalance on all the different.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
I struggle with the same things that Brian said.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
If you can't do it early, at least get it done, you
know, by the day For sure.
You know if you can't reach outto the casting director because
they will take it sometimes Idon't have any experience or any
knowledge about that yet Notgoing to, but you know all you
can do is do your best.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Occasionally you'll see a casting director will say
they will take a wait submissionon a case by case basis.
My personal opinion is get itin as soon as possible so you
can get on their radar as soonas possible.
But I mean, I'm not saying thatI always get it in right away.
Sometimes I have waited untilthe deadline day to submit
something, especially if I havemore than one that's due.
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I can't focus on two differentones or three different ones, so
I try to do them in the orderof when they're due and get to
them as quick as possible.
And if I have one for class,then that ends up getting saved
till last.
The actual auditions come first.
Practice, practice, practice.
That's important.
And when you can in between, ifyou don't have an audition and
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if you're not in class, myclasses, most of them, are on
Zoom, so we submit self tapeevery week, get critique and
then make adjustments and submitit again the next week.
And it can be one that was froman audition or it can be one
that he sends out.
And it really helps to stay inthat rhythm and practice and do
at least one a week and you canfind sides online to practice
(32:04):
with set your camera up and justrehearse by you know.
Do a practice self tape byyourself.
That way when it comes time todo one, it's second nature, you
can crank it out.
It gets easier, and I've found,the more that I'm working
especially having one to three aweek for class remembering
lines gets easier.
The more I do it, it sticks alittle bit better, says I.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
When you say it with that beard, it's like coming
from Moses Right.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
Ten commandments of auditioning.
I have spoken.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
I love coming to have these little moments with
people and to hear about, like,their journey and their
struggles and what has helpedthem, because I feel like the
network of creatives is soimportant for me when it comes
to feeling a part of somethinggreater than yourself, and also
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for I don't know how to say thiswithout it sounding kind of
weird, but almost for, like, theemotional security of hey, I
might not look any jobs the nextcouple of months, but I have
lots of stuff that other peoplein the community and I can talk
about, and I have theseexperiences from not being
booked in the beginning to beable to let it roll off later.
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And then, when I get booked,it's like I'm so much more
grateful to be upset becauseit's like, oh wow, I did you
know three or four or howevermany, and I got one where they
felt like they could use me.
So that's amazing.
But I feel like the best thingabout being part of the ability
to learn from other people andthe ability to be like I never
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would have thought of doing itthe way Brian did, or I never
would have thought of coming incompletely dressed and engulfed
in the character in the way thatTJ did.
You know what I mean.
So it's really interesting, andI think that's what makes it
really exciting for me is theability to have these
interpersonal relationships andexperiences even out of failure,
(34:07):
if that that makes sense, CauseI personally don't believe
there's real failure in thisindustry other than stopping
when you don't want to quit.
Quit, because I don't feel likeI can do this.
Somebody told me I'm too fat,too tall, too skinny, too loud,
too quiet, whatever I don't know.
I think that there comes.
For me, I should say there'sbeen a big journey of like self
(34:30):
realization.
You know every step of the wayand, like I said, I'm just I'm
just getting my little babytoddler acting feet out there.
So I'm hoping that in a yearI'll have a little more
experience and we can revisitthis conversation and I could
say I implemented the tools thatyou guys taught me.
So now, what else have you guysgot?
Because you guys are moreexperienced in this than I am.
(34:54):
So it's really awesome to feellike I have people that have
more experience and moreknowledge in this industry than
I do just wanting to hear aboutmy experiences in the industry
and my thoughts on it, so Ireally appreciate that and
deeply grateful for theopportunity to be on this.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
Yeah, of course, and that's that's one of the reasons
we started this particular typeof podcast is to get to know
other other performers, othercreatives, see what their
process is, hear their stories.
Everybody has a different story, a different way they got
started and I think it's reallygood to hear what other people
are going through and to knowthat we're all in this together.
We're all going through thesame stuff and it's really cool.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
Yeah, I think perseverance is the key, like
you said, and quitting is theonly failure, but sometimes you
have to pause and you have totake a break and you know, catch
your breath, or life comes inthe way where you have to pay
bills and you can't even thinkabout doing classes or getting
on set.
Whatever that journey is, we canall still help each other and
you're saying we're we're notthat much further ahead of you
and we're inspiring you.
(35:55):
Fantastic, I love that.
But I've heard your story on adifferent podcast and you've
gone through some amazing thingsand persevered in life and you
know, just meeting you, Ithought you were forced to
nature and then hearing aboutonce you went through and it's
like mind blowing.
Oh my God, I can see why shejust barrels through it off,
that's how I know you struggledyou know, don't forget.
You're inspiring others whileyou're being inspired.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
That's right.
That's right.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
Even if you don't see it, if you don't think it.
Oh, I'm just new to this, yeah,but you know, it's not like
we're all in kindergarten juststarted.
We, we are bringing it like I.
I was a musician in high schooland there's one of Harry Potter
Harry Potter, Harry ConnickJr's first trombone players.
I think I saw him on side ofthat live.
I was like, did I used tocompete against this guy?
So I always thought, oh my God,what if I had practiced more?
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I would have been the guy onstage.
I might have drugged out andbeen gone by now.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
I might have succeeded, doesn't matter.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
All that life experience.
Now is the time for me,probably not to be a trombonist
We'll see but to be an actor, tobe an entertainer maybe a
singer.
You know what I mean, but thesame thing.
You are where you were meant tobe.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
There's something of a calling to this and you have
to have that armor, that toughskin and Jim put it that and
others have said it when we getto the truths and we share that
deeply emotional scene, like Ialways think of Meryl Streep.
You know Sophie's Choice.
And that touches an audience andthey ball their eyes out.
That's a safe way for someoneto deal with those emotions.
Maybe they won't have to makethat kind of choice, but you let
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those emotions out.
It's like being on a rollercoaster.
It's scary.
A horror movie it's scary, butit's safe.
So we let people experiencethose emotions that they needed.
At that point they get touchedand they help.
You know, whether you thinkit's the universe, you think
it's God, whatever your thoughtis on it, there's a higher-ness
to this.
That's amazing.
You are where you were meant tobe.
Good things are going to happen, Bad things are going to happen
too, but you're going topersevere.
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And I'm not going to say it'sall going to be fine, but it's
all going to be something Right,it's going to be interesting.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
It's going to be interesting.
It's gonna be okay because it'sgonna be okay.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
That's right.
Yeah, that's right, yeah.
Gender I know you're gonnasucceed.
You have that that.
Go get a latitude and you'regonna, you're gonna do well, I
can.
Just, I know it.
Speaker 3 (37:54):
Just don't forget us little people when you get it.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
I feel like you could definitely be a singer, like
you could definitely have a be aVegas act, so I did want to ask
you guys real quick.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
So what's your, what's your question, alan?
Speaker 1 (38:11):
if you have like a dream role, do you, do you guys
have anything in mind for likewhat you would want to do?
I could see you guys both onlike the sons of anarchy.
I could see you guys both in,like you said, biblical type
stuff, leading the nation youfirst DJ.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
Yeah, I have some dream roles.
Obviously, with my look I'mkind of limited on what I can do
.
I know I knew coming into thisthat I wasn't leading man type
of guy, but something, the bigbad guy, you know, the leader of
a criminal gang, I don't know.
I've got some, some ideas.
I'm still trying to figure thatout.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
Cool, I would love to see.
Tj is like somebody, like aRico's Rico scheme or like a
biker cult or something of thatnature.
Speaker 3 (38:53):
Evil preacher.
I'm trying to think how toformulate this because I've been
asked different questions.
When you're on the outside ofthe camera Saying that we're on
the inside, we see peoplewinning Oscars oh, wow, that's
cool.
I'm not really worried aboutthat.
If, if I can develop my skillenough to wear that's, that's,
that's gravy.
Oh, those stars, a millionaires.
I just want to support myfamily any more than that great
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Whoo, but just to make a livingat my secret and I say it all
the time, so it's not a secretdeepest, darkest hope is I want
to be in something where itmakes me an action figure,
whether it's voiceover, becauseI've been studying that, I'd
love to be a cartoon.
There are certain sci-fi shows,fan she's, so shows, and I
don't mean like, going to like,I think it's has.
Bro, you can send in yourpicture.
They'll make you a gijo, that'snice, no, no no, no.
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I want it like when I was a kidand walked into saw the Star
Wars figures on the shelf,company made that.
They put it in the blisterpacks.
There's dozens of them.
They're sold all over the world.
I didn't have to pay a thingfor it, except mine.
You know that's my goal andhave to be those shows.
I guess it could be a Funko Pop.
I'm not.
I'm not picky and it would.
Let me do Comic-Cons on panelsand I like taking photos with
people more than Six autographs.
(39:56):
But yeah, I want to be the guypeople want to take the picture
with, instead of me going totake the picture with them.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
Right, I could see that.
I could see that cool Ginger,what about you?
You, you have a dream role.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
I really like roles where I get, because I tend to
be really caring and empatheticperson.
So I think I like roles thatare opposite.
I kind of like the villain orlike a superhero hero villains.
I've got boxing and MMAbackground.
I think those would be superfun.
I also think I'd make a greatthe fun guys girl, kind of like
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in the two broke girls or youknow, I don't know.
I feel like there's a lot ofdifferent ways I could go, but I
think I would enjoy being avillain, like probably the most
kind of villain you love to hate.
Speaker 3 (40:40):
Yeah, I can see that you got a bit of height on you
so you could be imposing to alot of people.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
Yeah, so I am like TJ said.
You know I knew coming intothis that I, at 5 foot 10 and
190 pounds, like I, am not yourFemale lead.
Most men in film are like 5, 7,5, 8, right.
So I'm typically not going tobe paired with somebody like
that, unless it's a comedy andthe guy's like here.
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So Check out my Amazon baberight, right so, but I would
love to do this again after weall have had a more experience
and I've had the opportunity todo some of these roles, because
I definitely see it for you guysfor sure.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
Yeah, thank you, and we'll absolutely have you back.
Speaker 3 (41:26):
We've got to give a few other people a chance to be
on though, so for sure I want tohear from people that hey.
Speaker 1 (41:38):
I like you, they are.
You just haven't asked them yetand it's rude to just come in
when you're not invited, right?
But they're standing outsidethe door, they're waiting to get
in.
Speaker 3 (41:47):
We've reached out to some, some people higher on the
food chain in our level the foodchain, maybe a side food chain,
so things will be happening,yeah we've got.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
We've got some people .
Speaker 1 (41:56):
I'm really excited to see where this goes for you
guys.
Oh, thank you?
Speaker 3 (41:59):
Yeah, thank you Watching you.
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On Instagram it's a little redwolf LIL underscore red, our ed
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And then I'm at GG wolf ontiktok and GG wolf on Facebook.
Speaker 2 (42:20):
All right, thanks for joining us.
Did I ever tell you the story about that, hello?
Speaker 3 (00:14):
Welcome to the Nola film scene with TJ Play-Doh.
I'm TJ and, as always, I'mPlay-Doh.
Welcome back to another episodeof Nola Film Scene.
We're here with our good friendGinger Wolfe.
Hello.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Ginger, thanks so much for joining us.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
We're interested to hear aboutyour acting journey.
We know a little bit about yourbackground.
You and I met in a class at JimGleason's.
I don't know if you've had someclasses with Brian.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
We have.
We did the famous circletogether.
That's all that we seem to talkabout.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
And I believe that's where we met.
Was that the circle exerciseright?
Speaker 3 (00:47):
That's correct.
It all comes back around to thecircle.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
In a big circle.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
That's sad.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
So I started acting when I was younger.
I always really liked stageacting.
I always really liked chorusand all those local things that
creative people tend to do aschildren I was very interested
in.
I did it quite for some time inlocal church, local school and
then after high school I kind offaded out into it.
I was in Florida before and Iwas in St Augustine, so the real
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big local acting scene wasOrlando and I was just not in a
position at that point in myjourney to be able to drive two
and a half hours for a job.
So when we moved here toLouisiana I realized that New
Orleans was a film hub that wasgetting bigger every day and
somebody at the gym randomly sawme and my son playing like
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pickleball or something racketball and said you know, started
talking to me and told me aboutthe site, my casting file and I
started getting into backgroundacting and was able to book a
couple of commercials as aprimary, been in a couple of
movies as background.
So it's been fun and reallyinteresting.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Yeah, you did a real big commercial last year, didn't
you?
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Yeah, I was one of the primaries for the he Gets Us
campaign.
That was on the Super Bowl.
That was actually the first jobI ever auditioned for, oh wow.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Nice.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Did I ever tell you the story about that?
Speaker 3 (02:11):
No, no, but this is a perfect time for you to do that
, so it's a long story short.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
There was like over 2000 people that auditioned, you
know, for this commercial andsome of us were slated for
primary and then some of us wereslated for background and then
some didn't have the opportunityto participate in the end.
But they put you in with apartner and we walk in and I'm
kind of like was in this weirdtransitional phase where the
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year before we had been throughthe process of renovating our
home, I was living in an RV, Itook on custody of my brother's
two kids, so I wasn't like at mypeak for fitness or like just
self care.
So I walk into this auditionand there's a very handsome
gentleman next to me as mypartner, very charismatic, very,
you know, intelligent, and heknows everybody already there.
(03:02):
I'm just going, you're going me, hey.
So they broke it down intothree different parts.
The first part it was basicallyus.
As soon as we had seven minutes, I think from start to finish,
the time we walked to the Georgewas the time we walked out.
The first, like two minutes, wasa set of scenario where we were
driving in traffic.
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I cut off my partner.
He rear ended me.
We get out, we're both veryangry that we're in a car
accident.
So you know the anger escalates.
We're interacting with eachother.
Just you know, ad libessentially, and taking
direction or not from thecasting director and the people
in the room.
I felt like I did really wellwith that.
It was really nice back andforth, very cohesive.
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The second part was my partnerwould berate me on some type of
social topic like transgenderpeople using you know whatever
restroom or political stance, oryou know things that tend to
get heated, abortion, any ofthose topics.
So my partner verrated me and Iverrated him.
The last part was 90 seconds ofwhat was supposed to be a rant,
(04:07):
from a scale of like one to 11.
You know, during this process,you know they're giving us
guidance.
So they were like, hey, youknow, ginger, you're let me see,
you're a Trump supporter.
You're a very right wingindignant on a mission type
person.
So I kind of ran with thatthroughout the segment.
So we get to this camera andI'm supposed to speak directly
(04:30):
to the camera and I start out as, like Trump was the best.
He parted in little way.
And, mind you, I know nothingabout politics, I'm not, I don't
care.
I've been in this for a longtime anyway, so for the longest
time I felt like it was kind ofout of my depth to, and I kind
of used it as an excuse to notstay up to date on political
(04:52):
stuff.
So I didn't have.
I wasn't a Trump supporter, Iwasn't a Biden supporter.
I think they both suck.
So it was really interestingbecause I just popped out with
what I felt like the scenario ofthe person that they had in
their mind what they wanted.
So I was like Trump's the best.
He parted in little way.
The American household was$6,000 higher the year before.
(05:13):
Trump grabbed a pussy andthat's the American dream.
And then, once it was out there, I couldn't take it back.
So I had to be committed.
I have never been so horrifiedin my life.
Listen, I was like, internally,I felt like I had Tourette's.
You know what I mean Like thisis not, this is not what I was
going for and I don't know whereit came from.
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But the casting directorsmacked the desk and hit the
floor as soon as it happened.
So I was like he couldn't stoplaughing and I'm thinking I was
supposed to be like I rate, butin my mind, rants don't
typically make sense.
They start in one direction andthen they tend to go somewhere
else without like a clear,concise train of thought.
(05:55):
So that's kind of what I wastrying to emulate and I was so
embarrassed I cried after thataudition and, like I changed my
hair, I went and got my clothes.
I did not want to be recognizedas the Tourette's girl who
screamed out Trump, grab Nani.
In the middle of her firstaudition for like three weeks I
was I can't believe.
I said that I can't.
Why did I do that?
I can't believe I did that.
(06:16):
And then I got an email sayingthey booked me for the job and
it was like the first person outof the group of people that was
within my agent that wasnotified, that was actually
chosen.
So I thought it was reallyinteresting because that's how
it's been for both of my jobsactually that have been audition
jobs is I thought I bombed itand I got booked, and all the
ones where I'm like, yeah, thisis it Nothing.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Right, right.
You never know what's going tograb their attention.
You know and you can have thebest audition.
You just might not have theright.
Look You're going to have theworst audition and they love
your look.
It's all a crap, that's right.
All you can do is do your bestevery time.
That's right you clarify alittle bit.
That's the he got us.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
He gets us.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Yeah, nonverbal.
It was shown during the SuperBowl and it showed angry people
and it wanted.
The intent was to get peopletogether off of all these
divisions that we had.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Correct, correct, and I think that's why they wanted
to see it anger.
Yes, yeah the title of thecommercials confrontation.
You could find it on YouTube.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
Right, right.
The other thing we've beenasking people is what was your
inspiration to go frombackground to striving for
speaking part?
Yeah, what brought you into theclasses?
What inspired you?
Speaker 1 (07:19):
So I never really saw myself as background.
I had a lot of drama andtheater training as a child.
I really enjoyed it.
I really like being able tobring a character to life and
give them quirks and make themmemorable and make them my own,
and I just kind of always sawmyself doing that.
But I felt like I didn't knowhow to get in the industry.
I mean, I've heard get an agent, get on a site, okay, but how
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you know?
So basically, I use theinformation that I got from Eric
Lemuel.
You might know who he is, brian.
I think he's on your Facebook.
But he was actually the personthat told me about my casting
file and was how I joined, andit was really a great segue for
me to go from, you know, beingfocused on my home life and not
(08:03):
really caring very well formyself to focusing and
regrouping on, like, my child'sgetting a little older, because
he's about to be four now thisis a year ago so getting him
into some type of consistentdaycare, getting like some
normalcy, and then being able totake back my creative freedom
and to see if it would be a goodfit because, dude, there's some
(08:24):
projects, like I worked on theairport movie and they wanted me
for every day of the week forsix like five to six days out of
the week for six weeks, for 15hour days.
I did that for a week and Icouldn't do that again Just
because I was getting up,because I live in Slidell, so
I'm an hour away from where theywere filming.
I was getting up at four in themorning and it wasn't coming
(08:46):
home to like 930 at night.
It was just too much with thethree year old.
So it was really nice to be ableto figure out how committed am
I Like?
Am I willing to be here all dayto possibly have my elbow in a
shot, you know?
Am I willing to drive an hourand a half to be a part of a
really cool show or a reallycool project, even if I'm not
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recognized on the set?
Does that make sense?
Speaker 3 (09:15):
Oh, it also too is a great for me.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
It was really good to see like a lot of people
believe that I had so manypeople on my Facebook.
Oh, you're a commercial, youmust be making so much money.
No, no, so it was a nice.
I think it was a really greatway to say am I, is this what I
(09:37):
really want?
Am I willing to do whateverybody else is already doing?
And then some because I feltlike I was behind the curve
Because, while a lot of myfellow actors had been doing
this for years, I was justgetting started at 36 as far as
professionally.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Right, I can totally understand.
I just started four years ago,so I was 49 or almost 49.
I thought you were my age.
I'm 53.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
I thought you were a lot younger than that, bro.
I'm just so pretty.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
I started late too.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
It puts the ocean on its skin.
Thank you for calling meBuffalo Bill, I think anyway, I
was actually referring to myself, because I need a lotion to not
look 50 when I'm 36.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
I got you.
I need to start a facialregimen, I think it's called.
But I've always had a youngface.
I think it runs in my familySmaller nose, smaller teeth.
But also because I workgraveyard shift, I'm not out in
the sun.
You know I'm not bad, Not thatI don't drink.
But working seven days a week,it's kind of hard to go out at
night till eight, nine, 10o'clock and get up for four,
five, six in the morning,sometimes three in the morning,
(10:46):
and function and then have toclean up after the party,
especially if you've just beenin and going.
Why did I make this mess?
Like I just cleaned up after aSaints football game at one of
the bars today and I love theSaints but I hate cleaning up
after the fans, you know don'tlove the after party.
Yeah, it pays the bills so I canact right.
Right, ginger, what was yourfirst acting?
We've heard from a couple ofpeople our last two guests, they
(11:07):
see because whenever you knowwe've taken our classes together
, I take selfies.
I promote whether it's I reallydon't do Jim's class, take
pictures every week, buteverybody knows I'm taking class
and then, oh, you work so hardBecause, like you, I felt like I
was behind the curve.
I'm tired of being a janitorand I want some meaty roles.
Background's great.
I love doing background.
That was so much fun.
You can't pay the bills, atleast not in Louisiana.
(11:27):
In LA or New York, you have achance to become a SAG and do it
and you might be able to, youknow, work out a career with it,
especially now with the strikecoming.
Maybe that will help.
Yada, yada, yada.
So but then I gave that upbecause I wanted the lines you
know, and it took me a while.
In Jim's, in Jim Gleason's class, the application, which is
where you study the scenes andyou do it's basically like an
audition.
You learn your craft.
(11:48):
It's premier, intermediate andadvanced and I was looking up
and made it up to intermediateand then I kind of stalled for a
while and it's like, oh God,I'm not an actor, oh crap, I'm
not doing anything.
Then finally, you know, did anindie film here, took some other
classes.
I took and and Mahoney's selftape class and Charlie Adler's
voice acting class, each of themtwice.
They're on zoom like six monthsapart, and because I had to
(12:09):
stop I went on vacation so Ididn't feel like I finished the
class and then Charlie just wantto be a voice actor and Charlie
Adler's is the best.
So but each of those teacherssaw on the second class, my
first day, they were like youhave improved so much and it
felt so good and actually beingin an independent film with
lines.
I finally felt that I wasn't astudent, I was now an actor.
Need the job, yet I want it,but I'm an actor.
I can call myself an actor.
(12:29):
I don't feel bad about sayingthat anymore, and now I really.
So those were the changes forme.
Do you remember your firstacting class?
Was it with Jim?
Speaker 1 (12:37):
My first acting class was actually upstairs with
Debbie Debbie Goddett and then Iwent to Jim and I signed up for
, I think, something that Hunterdid that went over at Love
Acting.
So I've done a few things.
I would like to be.
Yes, the intensive workshop,yes, I would like to be more
involved.
It's a little more difficultfor me right now with where I'm
(12:59):
at, you know, physically, withhaving small children in the
home and being an hour over thebridge.
A lot of the classes are atnight, so it makes it hard for
me to get.
I'm an early morning person.
I'm up five o'clock, fivethirty, six o'clock every day
and I start to lose steam aboutfour thirty.
So if I'm not already out inthe area at four or five o'clock
(13:20):
, I'm not coming out.
You know, and that's somethingelse too.
That's again, it's a mindsetthing, it's not only because if
I really wanted to change myschedule.
Could I?
Absolutely Would.
It be very stressful for me andmy family, Absolutely.
But again, it's.
Where are you.
I have goals, like little goalsto be able to have more freedom
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in the evening, some things thatI just have to work through.
Also, seasonally, things changefor me.
I tend to be more open,schedule wise January through
like July, and then I do a bigHalloween party.
It's my nephew's birthday, myson's birthday, my favorite
holiday so I've got like tenthousand dollars with the
Halloween crap that I throw outin this big yard I have and just
(14:00):
invite anybody who wants tocome.
So if you guys have nothinggoing on, in.
October.
Let me know.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
I saw your pumpkin post.
I saw your pumpkin post whenyou started working.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Yeah, I've been following your post on the stuff
that you're making.
My favorite one was the blacklight one with the skeleton.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Yeah, I'm actually going to have two of those.
I have one out now and I boughta bunch of the twelve foot
things from Home Depot.
I like five of them out there,bunch of stuff in the house,
bunch of stuff I made.
So it's cool too because, likeso we've been on strike right so
I was working a lot and thenthe strike started and it was
like there was no work.
But it kind of worked well forme because it had coincided with
(14:36):
I happened to travel a lotduring the summer, so I was in
the point where I just kind ofneeded to break in a reset.
So I was grateful for the lapse.
But it's like I'm able to getcaught up on things and able to
have this creative outlet,because otherwise I feel like
I'd just be kicking around dust,you know, spinning circles
around myself, because I'm justsick busy to feel productive
(14:58):
Even if I'm just doing circles.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
And and the lag started.
Jobs started drying up,basically January, if not a
little bit before, becausepeople knew the strikes we're
probably gonna happen, or thechance of them we're gonna have,
and so they didn't want to bein the middle of production and
have to stop.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
You know, yeah, so yeah, I went from working like
at least twice a week I'llbasically every week in January
to like March came around andthey were saying, hey, we had
you booked for this job but wehave to shelf it.
And then I booked a job a smalljob, I think in DC.
That was like a recrimereenactment.
And then I had the other job inMay, which was the Blue Cross,
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blue Shield commercial, where Igot to be like the boxer and
that was it.
Nice have it.
I actually just got a requestfor an audition Friday for a
movie that's supposed to film inMississippi.
My son got a request last nighttoo, so that's nice to see
stuff starting to come throughagain.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
Yeah, I always remember I might even been our
second circle exercise and, likeJim says, we don't get in depth
about it.
But it is living a life andthere are emotions involved and
you touched on some of youremotions.
So when you were talking to theclass about it, you turn to me,
goes yeah, that's why I wishyou had stood up so I can unload
on you.
And it was the second personthat day, that was one person
(16:15):
did unload them and then youlike I can take Brian.
I'm like, what did I do?
Speaker 1 (16:18):
I'm just trying to, and that was our introduction,
basically yeah, I think that waslike our second or third class
together, but I had seen you inclasses and I'd been watching
you on social media.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
So I was actually able.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
I felt like you would be able to Take and respond and
we would be able to have acohesive scene, no matter where
you were at, with what you wereportraying, you know or?
Speaker 3 (16:43):
yeah, the scenario was well, I've always seen you
as kind of a force of nature.
I said about Charlie Adler tobut ginger's there and it's
wonderful, but it's, it's a whoa.
Hang on, here we go and it's alot of fun.
I'm like TJ, that guy yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
I'm boring, I'm dull.
I thought you had some reallystrong emotions, some really
powerful scenes in the ex thecircle exercise that I was at
with you.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
Thank, you See, I feel like you guys are all over
the scene.
I feel like every time I turnmy social media on that.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
You guys are on another project.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
So it I have to kind of keep the mindset to of I'm a
baby and I'm fortunate to beinvited to even audition, right,
because otherwise I'll get inthe mindset of whole thing what
are they doing?
Well, that's really cool, Ididn't get to do that.
It's like well, did youaudition, did you try out?
No, so, but that conscious ifthat makes sense.
(17:36):
I think that's what eats peopleup in the beginning and I
believe that is what makes it sohard for a lot of people in the
Industry, because a lot ofpeople are struggling
financially right now with theirjobs, no matter what they're
doing right.
So that's right.
If you can argue, deal with thestruggle of the money aspect and
knowing that you might not,you're not gonna be big ballin
for a Little minute.
You know most.
(17:57):
You know it's a general blanketstatement for most people if
you are able to endure the Noseand the silence and you're able
to allow People to say you, as ahuman being, are perfectly fine
as you are you.
For this role, you would needto data, data, data, data, data.
Does that make sense?
I feel like that is what killspeople in the industry in the
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beginning, as they they come invery bright-eyed and bushy,
tailed with aspirations anddreams which are amazing.
But sometimes it's like youhave to realize that.
You know, rome wasn't built ina day type deal when it's like
to compare yourself to others,which is something that I fall
into.
Allow myself to go that routesometimes, but I tend to snap
out of it quickly.
(18:40):
Thank God I've learned torecognize it, because I think it
could be super detrimental toSomebody who who needs
validation, like from theirselves or from at least their
peers or their co-workers, tosay that they're doing a good
job, which you might not evenget, that on a scene that you're
booked on, you know you mightnot know that you did a good job
until you see it and it airsand everybody else.
(19:02):
You know what I'm saying, so Ithink that's something that is
really interesting about thisindustry, is it?
It allows you to see, like,where you're really at with your
emotional Intuitiveness andyour thick skinnedness, as far
as what are you willing to do tobe able to move forward with
your journey, and do you need totailor your journey to what you
(19:25):
aren't Willing to do?
You know what I mean right,right, right.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
It's difficult to not compare yourself to other
people, but you have to reallyfocus and concentrate on only
comparing yourself to yourself.
My coach, my, my acting teacher, is James DeMonte and he says
I've never been rejected for arole, I just wasn't selected.
And he teaches from position ofthe audition is the win, that's
(19:50):
the job.
The audition is the job.
If you get the audition,crafting that audition and
shooting that self-tape, that'sthe job.
That that's you're a workingactor.
When you get that audition,because of the amount of work
that goes into Preparing that.
And another actor I said this ina previous podcast and another
friend told me one time Once yousubmit it, submit and forget,
(20:11):
don't even think about whetheror not you're gonna get the call
back or you're gonna book therole once it goes.
Once it goes out, it's out ofyour hands, there's nothing you
can do, there's no point inworrying about it.
And a casting director in factit was during the same intensive
that you mentioned earlier withHunter McHugh.
I saw y'all at that, I was inthe waiter session.
He said sometimes it's just outof their hands.
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Casting will like somebody andthey'll send people forward that
they recommend, but productionmay already have somebody else
in mind and there's nothing youcan do about it.
They may have a role that theypromise to somebody else and
it's out of your hands.
You know.
You might be perfect for therole, but they want somebody
else, so you never can reallytell.
It may not have anything to dowith the performance that you
did.
You know Brian mentionedearlier, you may be the wrong
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height.
You may be taller than the lead, you may be shorter, you may,
you know it just may not meshwell with the scene.
So I it's difficult, but I trynot to get into my own head
about that stuff, you know.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
Yeah, and we say that I'm not getting my own head and
then you getting in your ownhead, you can't help it.
I have two that are.
The callback is today.
So if I don't hear from today,that's pretty much it.
And I shared one with you, tj,for the commercial, and the
other one I had just posted partof my singing class and I felt
very good about that.
And then the next day I saw anaudition that involved a
musician, but you could sing.
(21:24):
I was like what the hell, I'mgonna try.
And I thought that was a prettygood one.
And so, yeah, look, theuniverse sees me and it sees I
can sing.
It's, it's all about that timeyou kind of you get excited.
And then the, the commercialaudition.
I actually got feedback and inthe casting director said, oh
man, that was great.
I was like, oh, thank you.
I think there was no word, itwas all non-verb on.
You had to go through theemotions, you know, and I said I
was afraid I wasn't doingenough when I wasn't acting big
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and I was afraid I was actingtoo big when I was supposed to
be Active big, because, no, no,it was strong.
Oh yeah means I got it right?
Well, I haven't heard anythingon either one.
So you know you can.
You can have your best day andthat's what you have to
celebrate.
You know what I mean.
It's still heartbreaking, butat the same time, I'm waiting
for that and I got two more selftape Requests today.
Same thing.
I put in for two different role.
Take every victory.
You can.
That's right.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
I think both of us gave some sage advice.
Yeah, thank you, would like to,you know, piggyback on that
question.
What do you do for yourselvesIf you have a role that maybe
you're nervous about, or youknow You're?
You're really contemplatingbecause you've got the whole
script.
How much time do you dedicateto something like that and what
do?
What type of headspace?
(22:28):
So for me, like, my headspaceis everything.
I have a lot of distractions ofADHD as it is.
So I have a lot of other thingsgoing on.
I cannot put my best effortinto an audition and I've had so
many people tell me, hey, getsomething down because you could
come back to it, because I'vemissed deadlines, because I will
(22:49):
wait for the right time.
So I guess, like, my directquestion is what do you do to a
prevent, prevent missingdeadlines, and even though you
know it's coming up, it's notlike you forget about it, it's
like the, the procrastination.
How do you knit that in the bud?
What has been the most effectivetool for you, or ritual, or
(23:11):
whatever you want to call it tosay, hey, they're either gonna
love it or they're just gonnafind somebody else?
Let's not think too much in thegray.
What could, what could be, whatshould, what shouldn't be.
Let's get something out andsubmit it, and then, if they
want more, I could always getmore and then be.
If you're Deciding between twosides and you can only submit
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one, what, what it?
What do you go off of otherthan like just pure intuition,
to decide which one is?
Is your, your favor, or whichis the side that you're gonna
lean to to submit?
Does it make sense?
Speaker 2 (23:45):
Yeah, it does.
So what I do, unless itspecifically says only submit
one, take, I always submit twoand I make sure the second one
is different.
I do the first one for thecasting director and the second
one for me.
So the second one moreoutrageous, bigger, bolder, you
know, a bolder choice, adifferent choice, a different I
line from what I used in thefirst one and I start right away
(24:07):
.
It depends on how long I haveif there's two or three days or
whatever to submit it.
My coach says submit as soon asyou can, don't wait until the
last minute and I've heardacting our casting directors say
that as well.
Don't wait till the last minuteto get it in.
The sooner you get it in a wellwell Crafted self tape, the
sooner they see it, because theyhave so many they're looking at
(24:28):
, they start looking at themright away and if you can catch
their attention early whilethey're still excited to be
looking at self tapes andExcited to see what you're
putting out, you get in theirmind quicker.
I start breaking it down rightaway and I try to get that
character into my bones and I'llwalk around and I'll look at
the side for me to memorize it.
Everybody has differenttechniques.
I read it a bunch of times andI get real comfortable, real
(24:51):
familiar with it and I'll readbackwards out and I'll start
with the last word of my lineout, the very last line.
I look at that.
Okay, that's, and James taughtme this.
This is Basically what thescene is about, and I'll start
at the back and read the lastword and then the previous word
and work Backwards with eachsentence.
For me it helps just get thatcompletely into my brain and I
(25:13):
try to find just a quiet space.
You know, life goes on, thingsare happening around you.
I just try to focus on that andif it's a really long one, I'll
even write it out.
I'll write it out a coupletimes too, because that forces
me to slow down and read eachword instead of Sometimes you
just scan passwords when you'rereading.
So that's two techniques I useto get it into my bones and I
(25:35):
just get to where I can say thewhole thing without Referring to
the side.
And as I'm learning it, I'm notreading my scene partners lines
.
I might read the last couple ofwords of their line, just so I
know when the queue is, becauseI feel like if I'm learning
their lines too.
Then I start anticipating whatthey're gonna say versus
actually paying attention whatthey're saying, and then
(25:58):
reacting to that and I try tostart on it as soon as I can and
try to get it out as soon as Ican actually mine have been kind
of on the last day.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
I look at my schedule .
I'd love to get it done, but atthe same time, looking at my
schedule, okay, I have to studyfor this class.
After study for this class, Ihave an improv show, an improv
class.
I have to get to, plus work.
But minute I get, I startreading and then I might just
read it a few times and thenThink about it and then studying
straight up memorization.
I use the cold read app, which Ican program.
(26:30):
You record yourself and thenyou record the first line Is
that mine or is that my reader?
And you click the button andyou you record it all and you
can listen to it, the wholething.
I love doing that while I'mcleaning, while I'm working, if
I'm not listening to a podcast,or I usually don't listen to
music, and I just let it sink inand I think about it.
Oh, why is this person reactingthat way?
Why, what is my motivation here?
Why, why did I say that?
And I don't try to study theother person's lines, but
(26:52):
looking for what in their lineinspired me to say that next
line.
And so, once I feel good withthat, you hit a button on this
app and it it's called on cue,so it will read the reader's
line and then wait for me and,using voice recognition, I have
to say my line and get all thewords right, especially the last
one, and and then it won't moveon until it hears that.
So it it's the best thing nextto having an actual person with
(27:14):
you is the app called on.
No, no, cold read.
There's also a line learner.
I think I like cold.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
I've never heard of it.
I did not know such a thingexisted it.
What I was doing was I was justusing my camera and I would
just record it and like try toplay it in the car like after a
while.
It's not you know, it wasbasically only safe when I was
stopping, because once itwouldn't loop like a tic-tac
video Unless I posted it andthat's something you're gonna
post to your social.
(27:41):
So I couldn't figure out how toloop it like a song on repeat.
So I'm definitely gonna checkthat out.
That sounds really interesting.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
You could also use the memo app on your phone.
If you're excuse me, I'd use iton my apple one and you just
record as a paragraph.
There's no control of it, thatone will loop.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Okay, I didn't know that either so I'm looking up
right now.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
An actor friend of mine told me about one.
I don't remember if it was coldread or if it was similar to
cold read, but you can actuallyhave it when you record it.
You can have it change thevoice of your scene partner.
It does cold read.
Is that it's cold read, the onethat does that cold?
Speaker 3 (28:15):
read doesn't line learner might.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
It might have been that.
Yep, it's line learner.
Yeah, my friend told me aboutan actor that I worked with
named Blake.
Blake Nolan told me about this.
You can have it change thevoice of your scene partner, so
when you're reading it back itsounds different and it works
similar to cold read, whereit'll pause and wait for you to
Deliver your line.
Yeah, and I've heard cast anddirectors say that it doesn't
(28:39):
matter to them, it doesn'tbother them if you're reading
your own lines.
Right, I know people that'll dothat.
They'll use some type of mobiledevice and have the lines.
I actually did that for thelast job I booked.
Normally my wife reads with meand she was traveling and
couldn't, so I had her recordher lines real quick and just
(28:59):
spaced it out as though I wasgiving my lines, and then I
played it back for my tablet andused that for my self tape and
it worked out pretty well.
Fortunately it wasn't a reallylong scene to where timing could
have become an issue, but withthat particular scene it worked
out and I ended up getting acall back and booking that.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
You do have to be careful with that.
How do I put this?
I would do it so much, but onlyconcentrate on the words, so
that when I stepped into theaudition room, into Jim's class,
I was doing it, just wrote.
There was no emotion, there wasno feeling.
So you have to concentrate onthat still while you're
practicing.
First you kind of just got toget in your head and then it's
like, okay, why am I saying thisand all those good stuffs?
And you know you can't make itreally yell at you unless you
(29:38):
yell in the app, that kind ofthing.
So just it.
That's the advanced stuff welearned, of course, in all the
classes.
And the other thing, for if Ineeded someone to read with me,
I set up my camera, my iPhoneand my in my little space out
there and then use a person on,and then I have a.
Let me try that again inEngland.
I have a person on mobile and Ihave a little speaker and so
that they're louder, I put thespeaker near the iPhone so you
(29:59):
can hear my reader.
The only problem is because I'min my little DIY voice booth
here using this camera.
Right outside is my self tapearea.
They couldn't see me.
I didn't move the camera to thecorrect space the wire wouldn't
reach, so I kind of had toguess a little bit.
You know so, but but putting iton a speaker lets the people
hear your reader, which youdon't want your reader to
(30:20):
outshine, you, but you want themto be able to hear that you're
reacting to something, right,right, oh, and so back to your
question.
It's for me, scheduling whencan I tape it?
Do I need a reader when theycan do it?
The practice in between, andthen for me, a lot of the
exhaustion because I do so much,like I taped one two Saturdays
ago and I was going to come homeand upload it.
I had a whole nother day to doit and when I got home I was
(30:40):
just like I'm going to do ittomorrow.
You know, it's finding thatbalance on all the different.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
I struggle with the same things that Brian said.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
If you can't do it early, at least get it done, you
know, by the day For sure.
You know if you can't reach outto the casting director because
they will take it sometimes Idon't have any experience or any
knowledge about that yet Notgoing to, but you know all you
can do is do your best.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Occasionally you'll see a casting director will say
they will take a wait submissionon a case by case basis.
My personal opinion is get itin as soon as possible so you
can get on their radar as soonas possible.
But I mean, I'm not saying thatI always get it in right away.
Sometimes I have waited untilthe deadline day to submit
something, especially if I havemore than one that's due.
(31:23):
I can't focus on two differentones or three different ones, so
I try to do them in the orderof when they're due and get to
them as quick as possible.
And if I have one for class,then that ends up getting saved
till last.
The actual auditions come first.
Practice, practice, practice.
That's important.
And when you can in between, ifyou don't have an audition and
(31:44):
if you're not in class, myclasses, most of them, are on
Zoom, so we submit self tapeevery week, get critique and
then make adjustments and submitit again the next week.
And it can be one that was froman audition or it can be one
that he sends out.
And it really helps to stay inthat rhythm and practice and do
at least one a week and you canfind sides online to practice
(32:04):
with set your camera up and justrehearse by you know.
Do a practice self tape byyourself.
That way when it comes time todo one, it's second nature, you
can crank it out.
It gets easier, and I've found,the more that I'm working
especially having one to three aweek for class remembering
lines gets easier.
The more I do it, it sticks alittle bit better, says I.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
When you say it with that beard, it's like coming
from Moses Right.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
Ten commandments of auditioning.
I have spoken.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
I love coming to have these little moments with
people and to hear about, like,their journey and their
struggles and what has helpedthem, because I feel like the
network of creatives is soimportant for me when it comes
to feeling a part of somethinggreater than yourself, and also
(33:01):
for I don't know how to say thiswithout it sounding kind of
weird, but almost for, like, theemotional security of hey, I
might not look any jobs the nextcouple of months, but I have
lots of stuff that other peoplein the community and I can talk
about, and I have theseexperiences from not being
booked in the beginning to beable to let it roll off later.
(33:24):
And then, when I get booked,it's like I'm so much more
grateful to be upset becauseit's like, oh wow, I did you
know three or four or howevermany, and I got one where they
felt like they could use me.
So that's amazing.
But I feel like the best thingabout being part of the ability
to learn from other people andthe ability to be like I never
(33:45):
would have thought of doing itthe way Brian did, or I never
would have thought of coming incompletely dressed and engulfed
in the character in the way thatTJ did.
You know what I mean.
So it's really interesting, andI think that's what makes it
really exciting for me is theability to have these
interpersonal relationships andexperiences even out of failure,
(34:07):
if that that makes sense, CauseI personally don't believe
there's real failure in thisindustry other than stopping
when you don't want to quit.
Quit, because I don't feel likeI can do this.
Somebody told me I'm too fat,too tall, too skinny, too loud,
too quiet, whatever I don't know.
I think that there comes.
For me, I should say there'sbeen a big journey of like self
(34:30):
realization.
You know every step of the wayand, like I said, I'm just I'm
just getting my little babytoddler acting feet out there.
So I'm hoping that in a yearI'll have a little more
experience and we can revisitthis conversation and I could
say I implemented the tools thatyou guys taught me.
So now, what else have you guysgot?
Because you guys are moreexperienced in this than I am.
(34:54):
So it's really awesome to feellike I have people that have
more experience and moreknowledge in this industry than
I do just wanting to hear aboutmy experiences in the industry
and my thoughts on it, so Ireally appreciate that and
deeply grateful for theopportunity to be on this.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
Yeah, of course, and that's that's one of the reasons
we started this particular typeof podcast is to get to know
other other performers, othercreatives, see what their
process is, hear their stories.
Everybody has a different story, a different way they got
started and I think it's reallygood to hear what other people
are going through and to knowthat we're all in this together.
We're all going through thesame stuff and it's really cool.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
Yeah, I think perseverance is the key, like
you said, and quitting is theonly failure, but sometimes you
have to pause and you have totake a break and you know, catch
your breath, or life comes inthe way where you have to pay
bills and you can't even thinkabout doing classes or getting
on set.
Whatever that journey is, we canall still help each other and
you're saying we're we're notthat much further ahead of you
and we're inspiring you.
(35:55):
Fantastic, I love that.
But I've heard your story on adifferent podcast and you've
gone through some amazing thingsand persevered in life and you
know, just meeting you, Ithought you were forced to
nature and then hearing aboutonce you went through and it's
like mind blowing.
Oh my God, I can see why shejust barrels through it off,
that's how I know you struggledyou know, don't forget.
You're inspiring others whileyou're being inspired.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
That's right.
That's right.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
Even if you don't see it, if you don't think it.
Oh, I'm just new to this, yeah,but you know, it's not like
we're all in kindergarten juststarted.
We, we are bringing it like I.
I was a musician in high schooland there's one of Harry Potter
Harry Potter, Harry ConnickJr's first trombone players.
I think I saw him on side ofthat live.
I was like, did I used tocompete against this guy?
So I always thought, oh my God,what if I had practiced more?
(36:38):
I would have been the guy onstage.
I might have drugged out andbeen gone by now.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
I might have succeeded, doesn't matter.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
All that life experience.
Now is the time for me,probably not to be a trombonist
We'll see but to be an actor, tobe an entertainer maybe a
singer.
You know what I mean, but thesame thing.
You are where you were meant tobe.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
There's something of a calling to this and you have
to have that armor, that toughskin and Jim put it that and
others have said it when we getto the truths and we share that
deeply emotional scene, like Ialways think of Meryl Streep.
You know Sophie's Choice.
And that touches an audience andthey ball their eyes out.
That's a safe way for someoneto deal with those emotions.
Maybe they won't have to makethat kind of choice, but you let
(37:18):
those emotions out.
It's like being on a rollercoaster.
It's scary.
A horror movie it's scary, butit's safe.
So we let people experiencethose emotions that they needed.
At that point they get touchedand they help.
You know, whether you thinkit's the universe, you think
it's God, whatever your thoughtis on it, there's a higher-ness
to this.
That's amazing.
You are where you were meant tobe.
Good things are going to happen, Bad things are going to happen
too, but you're going topersevere.
(37:38):
And I'm not going to say it'sall going to be fine, but it's
all going to be something Right,it's going to be interesting.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
It's going to be interesting.
It's gonna be okay because it'sgonna be okay.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
That's right.
Yeah, that's right, yeah.
Gender I know you're gonnasucceed.
You have that that.
Go get a latitude and you'regonna, you're gonna do well, I
can.
Just, I know it.
Speaker 3 (37:54):
Just don't forget us little people when you get it.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
I feel like you could definitely be a singer, like
you could definitely have a be aVegas act, so I did want to ask
you guys real quick.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
So what's your, what's your question, alan?
Speaker 1 (38:11):
if you have like a dream role, do you, do you guys
have anything in mind for likewhat you would want to do?
I could see you guys both onlike the sons of anarchy.
I could see you guys both in,like you said, biblical type
stuff, leading the nation youfirst DJ.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
Yeah, I have some dream roles.
Obviously, with my look I'mkind of limited on what I can do
.
I know I knew coming into thisthat I wasn't leading man type
of guy, but something, the bigbad guy, you know, the leader of
a criminal gang, I don't know.
I've got some, some ideas.
I'm still trying to figure thatout.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
Cool, I would love to see.
Tj is like somebody, like aRico's Rico scheme or like a
biker cult or something of thatnature.
Speaker 3 (38:53):
Evil preacher.
I'm trying to think how toformulate this because I've been
asked different questions.
When you're on the outside ofthe camera Saying that we're on
the inside, we see peoplewinning Oscars oh, wow, that's
cool.
I'm not really worried aboutthat.
If, if I can develop my skillenough to wear that's, that's,
that's gravy.
Oh, those stars, a millionaires.
I just want to support myfamily any more than that great
(39:13):
Whoo, but just to make a livingat my secret and I say it all
the time, so it's not a secretdeepest, darkest hope is I want
to be in something where itmakes me an action figure,
whether it's voiceover, becauseI've been studying that, I'd
love to be a cartoon.
There are certain sci-fi shows,fan she's, so shows, and I
don't mean like, going to like,I think it's has.
Bro, you can send in yourpicture.
They'll make you a gijo, that'snice, no, no no, no.
(39:34):
I want it like when I was a kidand walked into saw the Star
Wars figures on the shelf,company made that.
They put it in the blisterpacks.
There's dozens of them.
They're sold all over the world.
I didn't have to pay a thingfor it, except mine.
You know that's my goal andhave to be those shows.
I guess it could be a Funko Pop.
I'm not.
I'm not picky and it would.
Let me do Comic-Cons on panelsand I like taking photos with
people more than Six autographs.
(39:56):
But yeah, I want to be the guypeople want to take the picture
with, instead of me going totake the picture with them.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
Right, I could see that.
I could see that cool Ginger,what about you?
You, you have a dream role.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
I really like roles where I get, because I tend to
be really caring and empatheticperson.
So I think I like roles thatare opposite.
I kind of like the villain orlike a superhero hero villains.
I've got boxing and MMAbackground.
I think those would be superfun.
I also think I'd make a greatthe fun guys girl, kind of like
(40:28):
in the two broke girls or youknow, I don't know.
I feel like there's a lot ofdifferent ways I could go, but I
think I would enjoy being avillain, like probably the most
kind of villain you love to hate.
Speaker 3 (40:40):
Yeah, I can see that you got a bit of height on you
so you could be imposing to alot of people.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
Yeah, so I am like TJ said.
You know I knew coming intothis that I, at 5 foot 10 and
190 pounds, like I, am not yourFemale lead.
Most men in film are like 5, 7,5, 8, right.
So I'm typically not going tobe paired with somebody like
that, unless it's a comedy andthe guy's like here.
(41:08):
So Check out my Amazon baberight, right so, but I would
love to do this again after weall have had a more experience
and I've had the opportunity todo some of these roles, because
I definitely see it for you guysfor sure.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
Yeah, thank you, and we'll absolutely have you back.
Speaker 3 (41:26):
We've got to give a few other people a chance to be
on though, so for sure I want tohear from people that hey.
Speaker 1 (41:38):
I like you, they are.
You just haven't asked them yetand it's rude to just come in
when you're not invited, right?
But they're standing outsidethe door, they're waiting to get
in.
Speaker 3 (41:47):
We've reached out to some, some people higher on the
food chain in our level the foodchain, maybe a side food chain,
so things will be happening,yeah we've got.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
We've got some people .
Speaker 1 (41:56):
I'm really excited to see where this goes for you
guys.
Oh, thank you?
Speaker 3 (41:59):
Yeah, thank you Watching you.
Do you want to promote anysocial social media?
Speaker 1 (42:02):
You guys follow me on tiktok or Instagram or whatever
.
On Instagram it's a little redwolf LIL underscore red, our ed
underscore wolf WUL ff.
And then I'm at GG wolf ontiktok and GG wolf on Facebook.
Speaker 2 (42:20):
All right, thanks for joining us.
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