January 3, 2023 • 72 mins
Brian Blade is a world renowned drummer hailing from Shreveport, Louisiana. In addition to his own group, Brian Blade Fellowship, he’s played with the likes of Joni Mitchell, Bob Dylan, Wayne Shorter, Chick Corea and Norah amongst many others. He is also a composer and songwriter and can be found carrying a guitar on tour in case the spark for new music strikes. Brian & Norah discuss his penchant for listening to the lyrics while he plays and gets a better understanding for where he developed his fluid style. They put this to the test while playing some of Norah's songs and then switch up the instrumentation with Brian on guitar for a few of his songs from his band, Mama Rosa, including ‘At The Centerline’ and ‘Nature’s Law.’ So tune in as Norah dares to play drums for her drummer! Recorded on 3/6/22.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, I'm Norah Jones and today I'm playing along with
Brian Blade.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
I'm just playing long with you.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
I'm just playing in lone with you.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
Hey, I'm Norah Jones and with me as always Sarah Oda.
Speaker 4 (00:21):
Hello, Hello.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Today on the show is drummer and songwriter and singer
and guitar player Brian Blade.
Speaker 4 (00:31):
Our guest is a soulful ray of sunshine.
Speaker 5 (00:36):
Yes he is.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
He's someone we know well as I've toured with him
for many years. I've actually known him since I moved
to New York in nineteen ninety nine. He played on
my first few records, and then we didn't play for
a long time, and then the last few years we've
toured together a lot. So we feel very close to him.
We love him very very much. He happens to be.
Speaker 5 (01:00):
One of the best drummers on the planet in the world. Yeah,
I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 6 (01:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
And you know what I love about this episode is
he's played with everybody from Wayne Shorter to Joni Mitchell
yeah and check Rea. But in this episode we get
to hear him do his own stuff, singing, playing guitar,
and like, I feel like it's just the essence of
Brian it's so cool, it's so good.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
He has a band called the Brian Blade Fellowship where
he does play drums and he composes music and that's
an amazing band. He also has a band called Mama Rosa,
which is what we're doing today. We're doing three songs
from that band where he plays guitar and sings, and
I'm going to start us off with a couple songs
that we do in our show. So he plays a
(01:46):
little bit of drums on the show, and later in
the show there.
Speaker 5 (01:50):
Might be a little surprise that.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Was kind of a surprise to me. I might actually
play Brian Blade's drums under him.
Speaker 6 (01:58):
So weird.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
Anyway, there's a drum off, there's a drum off.
Speaker 5 (02:04):
He's gonna win.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
No, no, But this is this was such a special
episode to get inside like his songs for once. I
get to support him, you know, and play his songs
and so great.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
And also because this is a podcast and you can't
see him, he has this smile that is just so powerful.
It's like, I don't want to sound cheesy, but it's
like you can't not smile back at him when he's there.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
He's a beautiful soul, and we we worship him.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
We love you Brian.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Yeah, please enjoy the show today with Brian Blade.
Speaker 7 (03:07):
I told love the Soul every day, said.
Speaker 8 (03:27):
Only fall, no blaves, love gold.
Speaker 7 (03:38):
Mad so out of and a loud clad it feeds.
Speaker 9 (04:01):
Did it come through? You were too fog after funny.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Jis stay.
Speaker 7 (04:21):
Warm and all you never told me by the ward
(05:08):
every day was changed, but I remain.
Speaker 10 (05:21):
With bad.
Speaker 7 (05:28):
Shout call.
Speaker 11 (05:35):
A kind of like the Wada come.
Speaker 8 (05:53):
He would too fog t aftern fall.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
A step.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Wo Yeah, man, thanks for doing that. That's one of
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my favorite songs to play with you.
Speaker 6 (07:17):
Well for me too.
Speaker 12 (07:18):
One thing changes, well not everything changes, but in a
way it's like, okay, it's just us. It's kind of weird,
I know, to not like occupy.
Speaker 6 (07:30):
In my mind like oh it's not what's missing, It's
like still what's here?
Speaker 13 (07:36):
I know.
Speaker 6 (07:36):
Also embrace that the space of it. It's cool.
Speaker 5 (07:40):
It's I know it takes a minute to adjust maybe,
but I love it.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
I love it.
Speaker 5 (07:44):
I just love playing with you. So can we do
one more?
Speaker 14 (07:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (07:48):
Can we do Nightingale?
Speaker 6 (07:50):
Sure?
Speaker 5 (07:51):
So this one?
Speaker 1 (07:53):
This song is for my first record, and you're on
that recording. Yeah, it's not the first song we did together. No,
because I remember the first time I played.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
With you was you.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
You wouldn't remember it, but I remember it because I
was a fan of yours already. It was with Sam Yell.
I came and sat in it small and I sang
the nearness of you, and I was so nervous.
Speaker 6 (08:19):
All right, Well, I do remember that. I wish I could.
I wish I could see that footage.
Speaker 5 (08:24):
Oh my god, me too. I was wearing the weirdest
thing too.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
I know that because you can remember Yokin, rocker, drummer,
good friend of mine.
Speaker 5 (08:33):
He was like, yeah, you, what are you wearing?
Speaker 6 (08:35):
No, I do remember that, oh man.
Speaker 5 (08:40):
But this is one of the first songs we recorded
together in the studio.
Speaker 7 (09:12):
Not in Gay.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Sing As a song.
Speaker 14 (09:22):
I'm alone out the world once bloon, not okay, tell.
Speaker 7 (09:31):
Me your thing was your journey? From too long?
Speaker 5 (09:42):
Does it seem like I'm looking for fooling answer.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
To a question?
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Nackas I don't know it's way the falls.
Speaker 5 (10:06):
If I should ploy to the left, noting gay.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Sing Us a song.
Speaker 7 (10:21):
Of love that word, not in.
Speaker 14 (10:29):
Tell me your Tame's your journey? For all the voices
that I spent in trying to tell me what you say.
(10:56):
It's get off behind God, miss you can take way
way o the Lord she's that ask me me try
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to tell the to side.
Speaker 5 (12:47):
Just get a flying.
Speaker 7 (12:50):
Behind.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
You can take me wait, you can take me with.
Speaker 5 (13:59):
I got so nervous the middle. I think, well, it's
funny because.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
We play together for long enough now where I just
feel connected when we're playing, and I know wherever it goes,
you're going there, you.
Speaker 6 (14:16):
Know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Well, and it's and it's it's what's so fun about
playing music with you is that you're always reacting to
what's happening. There's no set path and that's where you
come from, right, And I feel like I've learned to
do that better by playing with you.
Speaker 6 (14:35):
Wow, which is so fun.
Speaker 5 (14:38):
It's so fun to be so free like that.
Speaker 12 (14:41):
Yeah, somehow I feel like we I mean, obviously you're
you're given, You're rendering the song with with everything every time, so.
Speaker 6 (14:53):
To also feel like there is that room for the
unknown to still.
Speaker 12 (15:00):
Come and do it.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
Yeah, even though there's a song that's been sung many times,
it's different every time.
Speaker 13 (15:05):
I know.
Speaker 5 (15:06):
But that's the best part.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
And I think that's why I got nervous in the
middle there when I was playing a little instrumental because
I don't really have a lot of chops really, you know,
as you know, but I was thinking about you and
who you've played with, you know, playing with Wayne Shorter, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (15:26):
You know, doing the trio Korea.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Yes, I mean, well, I mean it flies, it just flies, right,
and yes it does.
Speaker 5 (15:37):
And that's why I got nervous.
Speaker 12 (15:39):
Don't get me started every time. I mean, it's like
walking out on the wire every time. And I mean,
and that's that's the beautiful excitement and wonder of it too.
It's like, okay, you know, you think, oh, they have
some ability. I can sort of do this.
Speaker 5 (15:58):
Yet Yeah, I think I can do this. Oh I'm
out here on the war.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
I better do it.
Speaker 6 (16:04):
Walk walk steady.
Speaker 5 (16:06):
I'm doing it.
Speaker 6 (16:07):
Wait, I'm doing it exactly.
Speaker 5 (16:09):
Then all of a sudden, you're fine.
Speaker 6 (16:11):
Well that's the liberty.
Speaker 12 (16:12):
But the trust element, yes, you know, the trusting each
other and knowing that you're each other's net.
Speaker 6 (16:18):
Yeah, well, like I might have fallen off the wire,
but hey, she's got me.
Speaker 5 (16:22):
Yeah, well you've got me most of the time.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
But I was just thinking about that feeling play with
Wayne or Chick or you know, so many people that
you've played with.
Speaker 5 (16:33):
Yeah, it must be like a real high. It is,
especially with people like that.
Speaker 6 (16:39):
I mean beyond high because it's that funny. I mean funny,
it's it's like deeper than a blessing.
Speaker 12 (16:50):
Doesn't quite describe it, because these are the heroes for
me that you know, you buy a record when you're
seventeen and you listen to these people and they inform
you know, it's like, oh, this is the language, this
is the expression, this is this is how deep and
deeper it can can get. And then you're in their
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presence and sharing with them and actually making music, and
so you can't.
Speaker 6 (17:17):
Really, I can't even describe how that how that feels, you.
Speaker 5 (17:22):
Know, it's like a spiritual thing.
Speaker 6 (17:25):
Really is beyond nothing I could orchestrate. Certainly, you know,
certainly so.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Well, I feel honored to play with you because me
too of that same feeling that I get, you know.
But yeah, it must have been a trip with the
first time. Were you able to get out of your
head the first time you play with Wayne Wayne Shorter?
Speaker 2 (17:46):
It took a while, Okay, I mean.
Speaker 12 (17:50):
I mean because there's all you know, I'm still I
was relatively young twenty years ago and more now.
Speaker 6 (17:59):
And uh, you know, we're you know, he's letting me
in on it. And I know kind of what I've heard,
I you know, like all of his music and and
are Blakey and Tony Williams and Joe Chambers.
Speaker 12 (18:14):
Okay, so how do I not sit at the drum
set and not think about all of that which he
is conceived and heard himself. So once I knew what
Wayne was after that, he was you know, like wanting
what it was that that I might say, yeah, you know,
or bring to the table. And so it took a
(18:35):
while to let go, Like what is he thinking?
Speaker 6 (18:37):
What is it? We're on the track? Oh, we we off?
Speaker 1 (18:40):
You know, like well he's got an intense vibe, yes exactly, you.
Speaker 12 (18:45):
Know, like in silence, in silence, but he even in
that he's like giving and feeding the thing that propels
us to that higher place.
Speaker 6 (18:58):
I mean it shocks me, like his.
Speaker 5 (19:00):
Waiting and waiting is the hardest part.
Speaker 6 (19:06):
Yeah, it truly is.
Speaker 12 (19:08):
Like so when he comes in, yeah, it's it's that
like not to say it, you know, like as some
flipping away, but the genius of his him as a
composer as a person, as a man to choose.
Speaker 6 (19:25):
It and know that, Okay, now we're on the mountain. Yeah,
and uh so he puts puts it over, you know,
and so yeah, every time.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
I remember when we recorded with him in Brooklyn with
John Patatucci on bass, we were doing that horror silver
tune piece. Yeah, I was so nervous but also tried
to just be myself, you know, but I just didn't know.
And so I'm singing, We're playing the intro, and then
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I'm singing the song and he hasn't come in yet.
He hasn't come in yet. It's like, I don't know
if he's into this, he's.
Speaker 5 (20:03):
Not really into this. And then I finished like two
verses of this beautiful lyric pieces for everyone, and then
I was like I was a come man, it feels
good to me. Maybe he's just and then all of
a sudden, here it comes and he played.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
It's like, yeah, he was waiting. And it took me
a while to understand that that's just what he waits for.
It the perfect thing, or he waits until he has
something to say in the context.
Speaker 6 (20:35):
I don't know absolutely, the context and the lyrical.
Speaker 12 (20:39):
Connection, which you know, these pictorial thinkers like Joni or him,
you know, they they're seeing pictures and they're waiting for ah,
for the depiction like in their voice to come forward.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Yeah, they're not going to fake something, and they're not
going to just come in because they're supposed to, and
they're just waiting for it to be Yeah, for this,
for the I'm trying to think of like a great metaphor,
but for the like the shoot a fit all of
a sudden.
Speaker 5 (21:15):
You know, they're not going to walk around in some
old two big boots.
Speaker 6 (21:19):
Right, No, No, that's right, though I do. I think
that's why.
Speaker 12 (21:26):
That's why he's so great, and you know, like for
you know, I mean, I have such a deep admiration
for you and what you I mean, how you deliver,
like with such grace and power every time I got
to say I mean really, So it gives me that
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that confidence to actually say, Okay, I can I can
diet eyes and cross te's here and hopefully make make
it feel right so that you can can take us there.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
Well, I feel like I can fly because you're under
there pushing me out of the mountain, you know.
Speaker 15 (22:06):
But but I know what you mean.
Speaker 5 (22:08):
I also feel like you. You don't just come in.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Unless you're feeling it either, right, you have the same thing,
And I feel like I've learned as I've gotten older
not to try to I kind of try to do
the same thing now. If I'm not feeling something, obviously,
I'm going to fish around and try to find a
way to do it where I am feeling it. But
I'm not going to just do it unless I find
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that way.
Speaker 6 (22:36):
That's That's one thing that I love about you. That's right.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
I'm not a good faker. That's kind of what it's about,
right exactly. And it's not not to say that people
are faking it, you know when they're when they're not
completely steadfast in that. However, there is an elevation that
happens whenever it's just pure and heartfelt.
Speaker 6 (22:59):
Yeah, well plan I think. I mean you mentioned chick Tooo,
and you know there's this great.
Speaker 12 (23:09):
That the balance that they strike with the content that
exists in the song the form, but to be able
to still see the absolute flexibility and malleability and deconstruction
of it while somehow still maintain you know, like it
could go so far away from that original thought. But
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then sometimes it's being kept along the way it might
go underground.
Speaker 5 (23:37):
It's still pure totally. Yeah, that's the key, that's the balance.
Speaker 6 (23:41):
And then when that the thing like re emerges or
kind of.
Speaker 12 (23:47):
Sort of it's told again, you know, like I don't know,
it's the creation, the process of it. You know, to
to take the trip and take audiences listeners on the
same trip.
Speaker 6 (24:01):
And not not be in my head. Ye like to
trust that, Okay, we're on the journey together.
Speaker 5 (24:07):
That's the That's how it should be totally. And people
can feel when you're in your head, not you personally
in general.
Speaker 16 (24:15):
Yeah, believe me.
Speaker 6 (24:17):
Yeah, I feel that too.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
Like sometimes you think you're in your head and then
you go back months later and you listen to a
recording and it's great.
Speaker 6 (24:24):
Trust my own feelings.
Speaker 5 (24:25):
Yeah, it's almost like you can't trust yourself exactly.
Speaker 12 (24:28):
Yeah, I lean, you know, it's like leaning towards you
and knowing it's like it's okay, you know, we're It's
kind of like, who is that?
Speaker 6 (24:37):
It's another Wayne reference movie reference.
Speaker 12 (24:40):
He always it's Christopher Reeves and Margot Kidder like she's
falling from some height and Chris Reeve flies over, you know, Superman.
Speaker 6 (24:50):
It's like I got you, you know, and she's.
Speaker 5 (24:52):
Like, who's got you?
Speaker 6 (24:55):
Well, you know, it's like, yeah, that's incredible.
Speaker 5 (25:00):
It's mutual. Wait is that something you said? Or is
that something Wayne?
Speaker 12 (25:08):
But it's it's beautiful because didn't they talk about spirit?
You know? And then then you're realizing it's like, okay, wow,
you know am I really? I mean, we're we're making
something together.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
Yeah, it's it's yeah, it has to be a conversation
in exchange. Well, you're so fun to play with. I
want to talk about your history. But I think we
could play one of I think it'll lead us into
it nicely if we tried to play one of your
songs from Mama Rosa. All right, if you feel like it,
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maybe after the revival, I don't know perfect.
Speaker 5 (25:51):
Does that sound good?
Speaker 6 (25:54):
Do you want to just start right on the verse
or you can play.
Speaker 5 (25:57):
The intro if you want. I kind of have the
true O great.
Speaker 6 (26:01):
But all that's cool? Nice? Yeah, I love that. No,
(26:22):
that's great. Sons or too.
Speaker 7 (27:01):
Mm hmmmmm.
Speaker 17 (27:46):
Mama Rose is gonna keep us warm until you come
back to my loving arms.
Speaker 10 (27:55):
Mmmmm until after the revival.
Speaker 7 (28:01):
Day at it.
Speaker 18 (28:02):
Don't leave too long. I'm going to need you here
at home after the revival.
Speaker 5 (28:20):
You first born.
Speaker 19 (28:21):
Something is on his way day, pray the Lord, keep
another day. Red water became red wine, part of this
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miracle of mine.
Speaker 10 (28:49):
Wait your arrival, see the faithful falling down money, running
this dust.
Speaker 6 (29:00):
The time.
Speaker 10 (29:04):
We need to revive.
Speaker 16 (29:12):
Your first one.
Speaker 19 (29:13):
Sun is on his way, fail along, keep another day. Yeah,
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sleeve my dog through the night. I'm going to watch
him til the morning.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
Night a news sunrising.
Speaker 16 (30:01):
Announces birth all.
Speaker 10 (30:03):
Day to day. She four times case.
Speaker 12 (30:08):
I j.
Speaker 10 (30:11):
All gospel radio, the joy we shall walk in. Mama
going to sing you a lollaby.
Speaker 16 (30:38):
Bye bye.
Speaker 20 (30:46):
M hm, sorry act, do you do your homework? I don't,
so you knew you knew your rage.
Speaker 6 (31:06):
And and I was going off.
Speaker 5 (31:08):
I was trying to follow you.
Speaker 6 (31:09):
Oh it's awesome.
Speaker 5 (31:11):
I love the song for.
Speaker 6 (31:12):
You, man.
Speaker 5 (31:13):
I love hearing you sing and playing guitar.
Speaker 6 (31:15):
Oh you man, you're like putting all the diamonds on.
Speaker 10 (31:19):
It was so beautiful.
Speaker 6 (31:20):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
It's it was so fun listening to this and learning
it because your chords are.
Speaker 5 (31:27):
Hard to pick.
Speaker 16 (31:29):
The hardcore, Well, that's funny.
Speaker 6 (31:33):
What would Levan say about he was talking a garth.
Speaker 12 (31:36):
He's like it was easy when you know how, but
I don't know how shold, so that makes it hard maybe,
Like I'm really just going towards like the letting the
melodies lead me to all the harmony around, you know,
within it around and yeah, so it's kind of fun,
you know, discovering different sounds that I feel like, not
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that you know, it's all sort of existed already, but
to feel like, oh wow, that's a discovery for me.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (32:08):
Well that's what songwriting is kind of well for right.
Speaker 12 (32:11):
I guess, so just for just this, you know, just
the pure sound and it's like when harmonies come together,
it's such a it's a beautiful thing and it charges
me up, you know, to write.
Speaker 5 (32:25):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
It's kind of like the same approach we were just
talking about, just finding the thing that feels right, yeah,
and not playing a traditional chord because you learned it
from a.
Speaker 6 (32:37):
Book, you know, right, So don't I have many of
those under the belt.
Speaker 5 (32:42):
But do you use a different tuning?
Speaker 1 (32:45):
No, okay, because you have some of those joney chords
going and I was kind of wondering if that kind
of inspired some of the way you hear.
Speaker 5 (32:54):
Oh for chords, for sure.
Speaker 12 (32:56):
I mean, wow, her sense of harmony and how she
years the question in it all, and how it reflects
the nature of the of the story, like wow, it's
it's so. I haven't ever met anyone like her, And
of course given a two cassettes of hers when I learned.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
How to drive when I was really I was wondering, Yeah,
when the first time you heard her?
Speaker 12 (33:22):
Yeah, A dear friend of mine named Roger Barnes, great
pianist and singer. I used to play with him in
my hometown Shreveport. He gave me a Hijira and Mingus
on cassette two.
Speaker 6 (33:35):
Yeah, when I started driving.
Speaker 12 (33:38):
On the way to high school and put them in,
you know, my beetle, and man, it was just another
world had opened with the aubon the just the first
hearing of her music, and so yeah, her harmonic storytelling
and lyrical storytelling touched me deeply, and I think, you know,
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you know, it's it's in there coming out a little bit,
and you know, it's so thankful for.
Speaker 5 (34:07):
Yeah, you got to play with her so much, did you?
How did that happen? Was that through Daniel Anne Wall
it was? And how did you meet him?
Speaker 6 (34:19):
Yeah? Well he was living in New Orleans. I had
moved there several years before I moved there. I moved
there in eighty eight to go to college.
Speaker 5 (34:27):
Yeah, and did you study music in college?
Speaker 6 (34:30):
Sort of.
Speaker 5 (34:31):
I was on the peripheral of the you already had
done it, so yeah.
Speaker 6 (34:36):
But I was like, oh, I.
Speaker 12 (34:37):
Thought, okay, I wanted to I wanted to write, and
so I was you know, journalism and oh communications.
Speaker 5 (34:44):
Really that was kind of my idea.
Speaker 12 (34:46):
Well, it was a lot of different, but it was
kind of going towards death no musicology, local musicological like direction.
Speaker 6 (34:55):
Like I was like, okay, maybe I can be do
what Alan Lomax did. Wow.
Speaker 12 (35:01):
But anyway, I ended up playing more than I documented
others playing, so anyway or writing about it. But Dan Daniel,
I think he had heard me play in the cafe
because his studio was kind of on the edge of
the quarter. So I was playing in the cafe and
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I think he'd heard me play and invited me to
come and just, you know, play with him. He was
about to release his second record, and we became fast
friends and went on the road for three months right away.
And he knew I loved Joni and he had known
her and he had played her some things that we
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had been recording, and she shared some things that she
had been recording with him.
Speaker 6 (35:48):
I wasn't there, but she liked what she heard what
he had shared.
Speaker 12 (35:53):
And I got back to my room in New Orleans
or wherever, I forget where I was, Columns Hotel or
somewhere like that, and the phone rings and I pick
up and it's her. Wow, And we started talking on
the phone for a year or so before before you
played together.
Speaker 6 (36:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (36:11):
Wow, I didn't realize that.
Speaker 6 (36:13):
Yeah, it was a deep you know again, how do you.
Speaker 12 (36:19):
You know?
Speaker 5 (36:20):
That is pretty deep?
Speaker 17 (36:22):
It is.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 12 (36:23):
And then then for her to trust and be like, okay,
well I want to start working on a record.
Speaker 6 (36:27):
And so flew me out there and you know, met
me at the carousel and I'm really I'm reeling, you know,
she picked up.
Speaker 12 (36:35):
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 6 (36:39):
It was so and then we you know, just started
this whole dance and it's still.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
Going really and you you had already become such good
friends in a way, yeah, but yeah, you hadn't met her.
Speaker 6 (36:52):
Talking, no, no, not face to face.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
So it was great to such a backwards way then normal, right, yeah.
Speaker 5 (37:00):
Exactly, and so cool.
Speaker 12 (37:02):
Yeah, and you know, to feel I mean, obviously there
was a great debt of gratitude that I felt, you know,
just to I wanted to give to her, but then
for her to just still give more to me, just
by including.
Speaker 6 (37:21):
Me and her.
Speaker 5 (37:24):
The mutual respects.
Speaker 6 (37:25):
Man, it's amazing.
Speaker 5 (37:28):
And what was the record you guys made that first time.
Speaker 6 (37:31):
Taming the Tiger?
Speaker 13 (37:33):
I loved that, right, it's so great that every song
you know, it's it's it's so many stories she tells
so good and so detailed, and again this pictorial thought
and every color and every corner and has.
Speaker 12 (37:54):
A description, you know, like with such clarity. And she
was on a whole nother schedule, like work, you know,
late at night into them, and I was I was fading,
you know, I.
Speaker 6 (38:07):
Just got into Los Angeles, so I think I.
Speaker 12 (38:12):
Was at the drums practically, like I mean, I was excited,
but you know, towards the end and she's.
Speaker 6 (38:19):
Like, that was it, and I was like what, you
know what you.
Speaker 12 (38:24):
So it was so great that you know, she just
kept it rolling and kept you know, giving me the
opportunity to do it. And and sure enough, talk about
not being able to trust your feelings sometimes I was like,
oh man, am I bringing the thing?
Speaker 5 (38:38):
But yeah, you know, and you were tired.
Speaker 6 (38:40):
It was in her hands. So that was like, I
have absolute trust in that.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
And and Wayne is on that record exactly. Yeah, and
she's she had already known Wayne. Yes, So is that
how you met Wayne?
Speaker 13 (38:55):
You know?
Speaker 6 (38:55):
I feel like there's a yes in there, but but
not directly.
Speaker 12 (39:00):
Yeah, I think Wayne, I'm not really sure how he
came to reach out to me, but again, that was
a call that that really surprised me.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
And yeah, he does that thing on that record that
we were talking about too, where he just I used
to it was such a door in high school. In
college is when I was obsessed with that record and
I was like.
Speaker 5 (39:25):
It's like he's weaving threads of gold through every song.
But it really is.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
Yes, it's so intense and beautiful the way he plays
on that record exactly.
Speaker 6 (39:35):
Yeah, yeah, yes, you know, I don't know, it's funny
with you. I mean, you do it all the time.
Speaker 12 (39:45):
You know, you're sharing this thing, but you know, and
then you have this great uh, you know, the love
and admiration for each other, so that fuels all of
the you know, the fire you know of it.
Speaker 6 (40:00):
You know, even more so.
Speaker 5 (40:03):
Yeah, I think, and it's for me.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
It's the worst feeling in the world when I'm playing
music and I don't feel that, and and I can't
fake it, and I'm just like, yeah, gosh, how do
I get it? I used to hear this story about
Ray Charles where it didn't matter how he was feeling,
he would always get there at some point if he
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was having an off night, you know, and yelling at
his band members or whatever it was, but he would
always get there. And I remember hearing that at one
point when I was younger and thinking, oh, okay, so
that's what I want to do. Always get there, you know,
like it took a minute for me to realize what
that thing was, Like, Oh that was a good gig.
Speaker 5 (40:45):
I think, No, did I get there?
Speaker 6 (40:48):
It's like, well, sometimes you know, like to not it's
hard not to feel.
Speaker 12 (40:56):
That because you want the circle to be unbroken, as
might say, you know, like with with the you know
you're sharing, but they're sharing that thing too.
Speaker 5 (41:07):
Yeah, you don't.
Speaker 1 (41:07):
You want to be able to receive it and not
just be the person at the party who talks someone's.
Speaker 5 (41:12):
Ear off.
Speaker 6 (41:14):
Right and how the response might manifest.
Speaker 12 (41:17):
You know, it might not be, it might not be
as enthusiastic as as you as you think, but you
kind of trust that, you know, the seeds the good are.
Speaker 6 (41:32):
You know, it was put in good soil. And you know,
even if I walk away from this moment and go.
Speaker 12 (41:37):
On, something's growing there. You know, something was placed in
the heart. Yeah, and so I just I hope that
every time we play that that's what's up.
Speaker 5 (41:48):
Yeah, it's a good way to come into it.
Speaker 6 (41:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:52):
It's funny because we've been playing so many trio shows
and I've it's just it's completely opened up the way
I play the piano the last four years that we've
been doing the trio shows and I play I'm like
really busy on the piano. But it kind of works
with those because there's no other chortal instrument, you know.
(42:12):
And then now we're starting to introduce like a guitar
player in and I'm like, oh, crap, I gotta start
listening to it again, you know, like I got so
used to.
Speaker 6 (42:21):
Just sort of one thing changed. Well, you know, I
never it's funny, I know what you mean.
Speaker 5 (42:26):
Like it's trio, so there's that space, there's so much space.
Speaker 6 (42:30):
But I never like you being busy. I don't know
that that.
Speaker 1 (42:34):
Well, me being busy is different from some other people
being busy. But yeah, but I mean compared to how
I used to play. I used to tour with two
guitar players, oh wrestle, and it was awesome.
Speaker 5 (42:46):
I mean, the songs had all these beautiful guitar parts.
It made sense. But I would just do my little
you know, you know.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
My little tinkley like octaves, and that was it. And
now I'm trying to cover all, you know, all the
other parts art. And then during the pandemic, I would
do these live streams every week, so I started playing
you know, more bass and more. I just I finally
realized that the piano is this like whole orchestral instrument,
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and I hadn't been necessarily.
Speaker 5 (43:17):
Using it all.
Speaker 12 (43:18):
You know, Well, you could have fooled me because recently,
don't you mean, Well, that's the good good thing about
like you're feeling, you know, like the barreness of or
the exposed trio like real estate.
Speaker 5 (43:39):
Yeah, you know, it's vulnerable. It's a little bit vulnerable
then and leaving.
Speaker 6 (43:44):
It bear too.
Speaker 12 (43:44):
And then because your voice speaks all this volume, you know,
like empower in and of itself, so anything else is
just it's just extra well I mean really, I mean
I gotta say, I don't know that's that's the beauty
of your gift.
Speaker 5 (44:03):
Is you too?
Speaker 1 (44:04):
I mean you leave a lot of space, but you're technically,
you know, one of the best drummers I've ever seen.
You know, also technically, but I know that's not what
it's about.
Speaker 5 (44:14):
But you happen to be and you happen to have
all that technique. So I want to know.
Speaker 1 (44:20):
I mean, was there a period of time where you
just practiced a lot in high school?
Speaker 6 (44:25):
Oh? Absolutely?
Speaker 1 (44:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (44:27):
Yeah, college, especially college.
Speaker 5 (44:30):
You'd like lock yourself in a room and you play
along to records.
Speaker 6 (44:34):
Kind of yeah, Like I wanted to know, like, you know,
when listening to Elvin or or Blakey or.
Speaker 12 (44:45):
Paul Motion, like what what I loved it? And what
made it so great? Like how these sounds and rhythmic conception?
Speaker 6 (44:54):
How did you know? How did they get there?
Speaker 12 (44:56):
And you know, so yeah, I was trying to you know,
really lean in on executing things in that like as
they would hopefully you know, take it off the record
if I could best I.
Speaker 1 (45:09):
Could, And sonically, were you trying to make things sound
like that, like trying to find your way to get
the similar sounds. Absolutely, yeah, absolutely, it's such a like
primal like it moves you.
Speaker 12 (45:22):
You really yeah yeah, yeah, to try and become one,
you know, just about the metal and wood and yeah,
you know, all four limbs doing what like to make
it a oneness like like it's it is a trip.
But you know, my brother Brady Junior, he's five years
older and that great drummer. You know, he helped me
(45:43):
so much when I was coming up as we started
playing in church and him sort of informing me about,
you know, how to listen to or rather stay.
Speaker 6 (45:54):
On the tracks rhythmically speaking, to stay on the beach.
Speaker 12 (45:57):
Yeah, well yeah, just sort of yeah, this almost he
instilled this like immovable sensibility in me, like in terms
of rhythm, even if you're not playing uh, every every downbeat,
in every every you know, dit and dash, the rhythm
(46:22):
is still moving on.
Speaker 6 (46:24):
The train, yes, you know. Yeah, so let you know,
it's okay, you don't.
Speaker 5 (46:28):
Have to play it every bad exactly. He taught you that.
Speaker 12 (46:31):
I mean, you know, I'm speaking this right now for
the first time, Like you know, obviously you know there's
a time to stay, like to be literal about it
and to lean in on it. But then in my
own growth, personal growth, I think it's come to me
that Okay, I can, I can look away from the
(46:55):
from the molecule, but the molecule is still there.
Speaker 5 (46:58):
Yeah, yeah, exactly, you know, And that's how you're so open.
Speaker 12 (47:01):
And I hope so, you know, and hopefully that served
the song because if if I'm not doing that, then
I'm not doing anything.
Speaker 1 (47:10):
Okay that brings me to something that is unique about you.
You're always listening to the lyrics.
Speaker 5 (47:18):
Trying to Yeah, I know, but not everybody does. I
mean all the great musicians do you really do?
Speaker 6 (47:28):
Though?
Speaker 5 (47:29):
It's important to me, and of course it should be.
Speaker 6 (47:33):
Well, even more so because I've seen it.
Speaker 12 (47:36):
I've been in situations where I noticed others weren't yeah,
and then and then I heard the things that didn't.
They didn't give uh the underpinning or the or the
conversation was was was not.
Speaker 5 (47:57):
It wasn't a conversation.
Speaker 6 (47:59):
It wasn't an act.
Speaker 1 (48:00):
That's the only way it can be a conversation, is
like if you're actually listening, actually, there you go, and.
Speaker 12 (48:07):
It can hurt, you know, like I literally feel like,
oh no, this is not not not not really taking
us higher. So I want to be careful about that
that part of it and knowing that.
Speaker 6 (48:23):
That's the thing about church. These singers they're so great,
but they they're you know, these folks, they're not they're
not trained musicians and trying to be you know, they're
they're there to praise the Lord.
Speaker 5 (48:38):
So they have a message truly, and then they yield
to that.
Speaker 12 (48:43):
And and so as the drummer, if they don't go
to the fore chord when when you think it's supposed to,
you don't like try and push them there, like you
wait and and it and what's going to come out
is going to be the true spirit of the thing
and the best thing because because they're they're being led
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by something you know, much much deeper than your your beats.
Speaker 1 (49:10):
That's that's pretty profound way of learning that lesson exactly.
Speaker 5 (49:15):
You know, that's makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 1 (49:18):
Yeah, I think how to be open, Like that's funny
that to me, I would think that being that way
comes from playing jazz, But actually it sounds like it
started in church.
Speaker 12 (49:28):
Totally did Yeah, totally didn't. And every other opportunity you
know that I had. You know, it was all informed
by that foundation, you know, and and uh you know,
you know maybe you know I learned some other things. Yeah,
(49:48):
but it's still kind of that essential the core totally.
I mean it's like we're sitting in this room, but
you know, like the way Levan plays and sings, Wow,
I mean that kind of to me, it's like, wow,
you know, it doesn't get any better.
Speaker 6 (50:05):
It's like, man, he's like all there and yeah, you know.
Speaker 1 (50:10):
He's i mean he's preaching, he's he's putting it all in. Yeah,
he's all on the table.
Speaker 5 (50:19):
It's like I can't start with the stupid metaphorse no.
Speaker 6 (50:25):
Yeah, but you know in spirit, yeah, I feel like
I were two hats.
Speaker 12 (50:30):
It's like writing music for the Fellowship band is one thing,
and then I have to figure out, Okay, what's the
drummer gonna do?
Speaker 5 (50:36):
That must be hard to be the drummer in your band.
Speaker 12 (50:39):
Well it's great because I'm truly just a part of
this thing. Like I have to then come up with
the drumming aspect of the band, Like what's my role?
Speaker 5 (50:51):
But you've written all the music?
Speaker 6 (50:52):
Well yeah, but still, who's this guy Wo wrote the music.
Speaker 12 (50:55):
You know, it's like, well, if John brings us something,
obviously I'm already I'm so in it. And you know,
our friendship binds us in that I can I feel
like I know it already even though it's new.
Speaker 6 (51:06):
But even when I write it myself, it's like, Okay,
I still have to come up create something.
Speaker 5 (51:11):
So you have to feel it.
Speaker 12 (51:12):
Yeah, it leaves a window because I don't necessarily write
from a rhythmic point of view.
Speaker 6 (51:18):
I'm not coming up with.
Speaker 5 (51:19):
You know, you're coming up with melodies and a feeling.
Speaker 6 (51:22):
Yeah, and writing for their voices. Yeah, so that my voice.
Then I have to write later when we're all together,
or you.
Speaker 5 (51:31):
Just have to feel it in the room exactly.
Speaker 6 (51:33):
And so I love I love those those.
Speaker 12 (51:40):
The process you know of getting there, you know, like
you're speaking about getting there and then and with Mama
Rosa music, it's kind of then I'm here, So I
have to take off that hat.
Speaker 6 (51:51):
And yeah, on this other hat.
Speaker 5 (51:52):
So Ma Morosa is the band.
Speaker 1 (51:54):
The song we just did is from that band, Yes,
and that's where you sing and play guitar exactly. Yeah,
and so the drummer in that band must be like
oh crap, because you're not playing drums, you're hier drummer.
Speaker 6 (52:09):
Which that must have been really hard.
Speaker 12 (52:10):
It's it's it's actually easy because well, Steve Nister plays
drums in Ma Rosa and he is so great because
he felt something from the music and.
Speaker 6 (52:22):
Approached me about it. So oh wow, So it's great.
I can just trust him to do his thing.
Speaker 5 (52:26):
That's good. There's no weird like drum off thankfully so and.
Speaker 6 (52:32):
He'll, you know, if I have some random suggestion, he's
open to it, which is great.
Speaker 1 (52:36):
I want.
Speaker 6 (52:37):
I wanted there to be that you know, collaborative, you know, feeling.
Speaker 1 (52:42):
When you started this band and made the record or
had you been doing gigs with the Mama Rosa material
the record?
Speaker 12 (52:50):
No, you know it was it was all very Again
I have to thank my friend Daniel land While because
you know, it was all on a four track at
home for me, a diary. Really, it wasn't about trying
to make a record to put out. It's just what
you do exactly. But then the great blessing that came
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and me realizing what it means to truly release something.
Speaker 5 (53:18):
Yeah, oh yeah, like that's the whole thing, the.
Speaker 6 (53:21):
Fullness of that that's being completed. Like yeah, okay, you know,
I'm fine with it just existing right here in my room.
But then when it goes.
Speaker 5 (53:30):
Out, then you know, you have to let go a
little and and and wow.
Speaker 6 (53:39):
What can come back?
Speaker 21 (53:40):
You know?
Speaker 6 (53:40):
And what does come back?
Speaker 12 (53:43):
It's boundless And I've already I mean I've seen it,
and my wife I've seen it, you know, and just
strangers who you know, and and wow, what a fulfillment.
Like had I not put out Mama Rosa, I probably
wouldn't be married right now. Really, I mean really, I
mean in a way, it's kind of like a lot
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of letters in there to her.
Speaker 5 (54:07):
I love the story, Yeah, how personally you want to
get but.
Speaker 12 (54:10):
No, no, it's but again, it's like it's like a transmission.
Speaker 6 (54:16):
You know, you got to send it, You got to
send it out. I mean not that I wasn't, but
in that way were a record.
Speaker 5 (54:24):
Yeah, you weren't mailing them too, No, No.
Speaker 6 (54:27):
They were really kind of just tucked away, hidden.
Speaker 5 (54:30):
And because you knew each other in high school.
Speaker 6 (54:33):
Yeah, yeah, I just want to know.
Speaker 5 (54:35):
Yeah, I know you, I don't know how deep you
want to get.
Speaker 6 (54:37):
It's great, it's great all.
Speaker 5 (54:39):
And then she discovered the record.
Speaker 6 (54:42):
Yeah, and reached out, heard a song and yeah. Wow.
Speaker 12 (54:45):
So it's funny twenty years goes by and you're like wow,
you know, and then still thinking about you.
Speaker 5 (54:53):
Yeah, I know, Yeah, it's very beautiful.
Speaker 12 (54:57):
It's so you know, the record actually means a lot
to me, the music on that record, and then continuing
to develop ideas for the future.
Speaker 1 (55:10):
It's really you know, well, I love your singing and
it took a while for me to make you sing
with me. Once I realized how good of a singer
you were, I just wanted you to sing all the time.
What other song from the Mama Rossa would you like
to do? We have we have center Line or Nature's Law?
Speaker 12 (55:33):
Oh wow, we could try at the center line or uh.
I've never played Nature's Law with anyone, so that would be.
Speaker 5 (55:42):
Really well, you know, I would just tinker.
Speaker 6 (55:45):
Also, you could just play it you can No, No,
I would love love to do either one. Which one
would you both? Okay? Cool?
Speaker 7 (55:58):
Yeah?
Speaker 21 (56:06):
Servinity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage
to change the things I can, and the wisdom to
know the deaferences.
Speaker 15 (56:29):
We won't be for sake.
Speaker 10 (56:35):
Is Mercy Woden will fall.
Speaker 17 (56:42):
Speed, the past behind us, net the moment, bring nother change.
Speaker 16 (56:55):
Because in my.
Speaker 7 (56:58):
I love.
Speaker 15 (57:01):
Do love me away, wild love is rady can I
big spaceted?
Speaker 22 (58:08):
At the citterlaw, we will find our balance.
Speaker 5 (58:17):
The sister's hard and a brother's head.
Speaker 11 (58:24):
At the center line.
Speaker 22 (58:27):
We will lead the challenge dead down and start at
the sinson land. We will find our balance the sister's
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hard of brother's head.
Speaker 16 (58:56):
At the center law.
Speaker 15 (58:59):
We will need the chavelenge.
Speaker 22 (59:05):
Tear it down and start again.
Speaker 2 (59:12):
Had the cinter.
Speaker 16 (59:19):
It's the center, the center had the center line.
Speaker 10 (01:00:05):
You're also man.
Speaker 6 (01:00:08):
That it's so bizarre.
Speaker 2 (01:00:13):
I know me singing.
Speaker 6 (01:00:16):
I mean, man, I love it. It's beautiful, thank you. Wow.
Speaker 5 (01:00:21):
Well it's easier.
Speaker 1 (01:00:22):
It's funny because like there's some very strange chords in
these songs that don't make a lot of sense to me.
But then when I don't think about the chords and
I just listen to the melody, I can follow it,
you know what I mean?
Speaker 5 (01:00:37):
And I guess that's it, like just get out of
your head.
Speaker 12 (01:00:40):
I hope, So I think, yeah, that's I mean, it's
almost like, well, I guess you feel that way in
your songwriting. I would think too, like there's this gravity
and you're like, oh wow, I'm going there okay or
some noow you just place your hand and you're like.
Speaker 5 (01:01:00):
Oh yeah, that's nice, random shape. Yeah.
Speaker 12 (01:01:05):
So like I look for those those kind of surprising
moments you know too, you know, inspire me, hopefully push
me into like.
Speaker 6 (01:01:14):
Ooh yeah yeah on Chartered Territory it's cool. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:01:17):
Also, I noticed that you always have a guitar when
we're on tour, so you're always in your hotel room
kind of tinkering around, right.
Speaker 5 (01:01:25):
You know, you always had that guitar on tour.
Speaker 6 (01:01:28):
Like since since what was it ninety five?
Speaker 12 (01:01:34):
Nice just before the first Fellowship Band record and you know,
starting to write, yeah, and I realized that I didn't
have a great connection with the piano.
Speaker 6 (01:01:45):
I've written very little at the piano.
Speaker 5 (01:01:47):
Plus can't take it to your hotel room, can't.
Speaker 6 (01:01:52):
Then there's that, so you know, maybe it's because violin
was my first instrument.
Speaker 12 (01:01:57):
Really yeah, so I had this maybe the string and
want you know, like and through my again my friend
Daniel Lanwile being around him and you know, his guitars.
Speaker 6 (01:02:07):
Were always there and you say, oh, you could play
you know.
Speaker 12 (01:02:09):
Whatever you want and realizing that, oh I kind of
had a friend I could take and so yeah, I've
kept it with even sometimes a week on the road
goes by and it doesn't get touched and I'm tony it.
Speaker 1 (01:02:26):
But arguing with flight attendants, I promise this will fit
in the overhead fits.
Speaker 16 (01:02:34):
Ye, just let me check.
Speaker 12 (01:02:37):
So there's a thing that ten minutes you're like in
the bathroom before sound check.
Speaker 6 (01:02:42):
Even if you have that, you never know when to spark.
Speaker 5 (01:02:45):
It can't catch. You might write a great song exactly,
So it's.
Speaker 6 (01:02:48):
Worth it just in case. Yeah, keep it, keep it there,
and I love it. Put the ideas down.
Speaker 2 (01:02:54):
I'm just playing.
Speaker 5 (01:03:00):
I remember seeing your dad.
Speaker 1 (01:03:01):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, your dad h Brady Senior, right,
and you guys have that band, the Hallelujah Train exactly.
Speaker 5 (01:03:11):
And he's he's been preaching in the same church for
how many years?
Speaker 6 (01:03:14):
This is the sixty first year. That's crazy.
Speaker 5 (01:03:17):
Yeah, same church, same building. Even no's move.
Speaker 12 (01:03:20):
He's moved the church. This is the third move over
the years. And he's one of those guys. You know,
I always feel like he had a future, you know,
a vision of it, you know, like and growth and
like a father. He always did not like, oh wow,
I don't know, hope, I'm just a little of that
(01:03:43):
because he's.
Speaker 5 (01:03:44):
A powerful person.
Speaker 1 (01:03:45):
His presence, he's got the presence, he really does. He's
so tall, he's got the lowest baritone, right.
Speaker 6 (01:03:56):
Yeah, it's funny.
Speaker 12 (01:03:58):
You know, he tells stories about because he's been singing,
you know, ever since he was born. Yeah, and his
high school you know life and confessing his call to
the ministry, you know, at what thirteen fourteen, So he's
entering high school with that over him, so to speak.
Speaker 6 (01:04:19):
But you know, he's still a boy, and he's still
you know, taking part in dances.
Speaker 5 (01:04:25):
And yeah, he's curious.
Speaker 12 (01:04:26):
Yeah, but and but doing things and choosing to and
choosing not to do certain things. Yeah, so he's had
a trip his life. I'm trying to finish a documentary
about you know that's connected to the Holiday train and
his ministry out and.
Speaker 6 (01:04:45):
In the songs that come.
Speaker 5 (01:04:48):
From it, and so yeah, but I watch it. I mean,
he commands the stage.
Speaker 1 (01:04:53):
I couldn't take my eyes off him, and I saw,
you guys, he's a whip and he called me up.
Speaker 6 (01:04:58):
I was like, okay, yes, sir, I mean thank you
for that. He still talks about it.
Speaker 1 (01:05:04):
It was so fun also just seeing you up there
with your brother Brady, right, and Junior and Senior and
your dad singing, and you guys with the two drums,
with the two drums. There's something about two drummers playing
together that I don't always understand, you know, like some
bands have it, and it's there's moments where.
Speaker 5 (01:05:24):
It's awesome, right, and then I'm like, but I don't understand.
Speaker 1 (01:05:28):
Don't they feel kind of locked to something that maybe
they don't want to be. But when I saw you
and Brady playing drums together, it was really special and
it was just like the smiles, you know, I mean,
it was cool.
Speaker 6 (01:05:45):
It's one of those things where you don't even have
to talk, you know, there's no question.
Speaker 1 (01:05:50):
There's just something about that lock up between family. Yeah,
because you grew up doing.
Speaker 2 (01:05:55):
It together, you know.
Speaker 1 (01:05:58):
Yeah, it's beautiful. I love how you when you sing,
you command you really command it. And I just kind
of flashed on your dad how he did command it?
Speaker 6 (01:06:08):
Thank you?
Speaker 3 (01:06:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (01:06:10):
Do you think you'd play me Nature's Law?
Speaker 21 (01:06:12):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (01:06:12):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (01:06:12):
Please? I love this song. I don't have to play
on it at all.
Speaker 19 (01:06:16):
Oh please, man, I love it.
Speaker 6 (01:06:20):
Thank you so it's honor for me.
Speaker 5 (01:06:27):
Oh, I kind of want to play drums. I will
do you mind if I try?
Speaker 6 (01:06:35):
I know, move, move those towels over there or anything.
Freak out of course?
Speaker 12 (01:06:44):
Are you kidding?
Speaker 6 (01:06:45):
This would be this would be awesome.
Speaker 5 (01:06:50):
I mean your house, it's so great. I can't believe
played drums.
Speaker 2 (01:07:00):
Thanks for being unfair? You kidding?
Speaker 22 (01:07:02):
I love it.
Speaker 6 (01:07:03):
That's just like a dream to please. I want to
try from the top, all right, lot h mm hmm.
Speaker 17 (01:07:44):
She holds the scales on her left hand side, her
mighty sorts means.
Speaker 7 (01:07:53):
Down from the ride.
Speaker 6 (01:07:57):
She calls her right.
Speaker 10 (01:07:58):
So that she won't go see the trouble in the
world won't let her be.
Speaker 17 (01:08:09):
Balance shifts and we lose control, the bum drinking and
the bombs and explore because we wanted it all and
we won't let nothing but MITRE's law gonna bring us
(01:08:31):
down to a turn away.
Speaker 21 (01:08:38):
From the outside wood.
Speaker 16 (01:08:43):
But I can't escape. Well, I must say, kind of
one too.
Speaker 10 (01:08:58):
Dream for when and till the times come.
Speaker 7 (01:09:03):
If I live the other.
Speaker 16 (01:09:05):
Day, you all will be time.
Speaker 17 (01:09:09):
You gotta shine your life so the ourside world can see.
Speaker 16 (01:09:16):
Everything I give to you comes back to me.
Speaker 7 (01:09:56):
Was that crazy?
Speaker 1 (01:09:57):
It's so good.
Speaker 15 (01:10:01):
I got a little loud on that, right should.
Speaker 20 (01:10:07):
Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 5 (01:10:09):
That was amazing and fun.
Speaker 12 (01:10:13):
I can't believe it.
Speaker 2 (01:10:16):
Was that.
Speaker 20 (01:10:16):
Okay, I love it. I gotta I gotta get.
Speaker 2 (01:10:22):
Your drum kard.
Speaker 13 (01:10:26):
Do go.
Speaker 7 (01:10:27):
Oh, I love it.
Speaker 16 (01:10:30):
Oh man, I cannot believe that.
Speaker 5 (01:10:33):
Well, this was super fun.
Speaker 6 (01:10:35):
Yes, thank you for I'm glad it happened and the
weather was on our side.
Speaker 2 (01:10:41):
Then.
Speaker 5 (01:10:44):
I love you so much. Thanks for playing with me always.
Speaker 2 (01:10:48):
I'm just playing love.
Speaker 5 (01:10:53):
Thanks for listening to the show. We love Brian Blade
so much. Love you, Brian. Yeah, I got to play
his drums. Did I mention that that was so hilarious?
Speaker 4 (01:11:04):
You're like, I think I want to play drums on
this one.
Speaker 1 (01:11:07):
He's like, do it.
Speaker 5 (01:11:08):
I love that he was so cool about it. He
was down for anything.
Speaker 4 (01:11:12):
Yeah, he really was.
Speaker 5 (01:11:13):
Thank god.
Speaker 8 (01:11:15):
I love him.
Speaker 4 (01:11:16):
Incredible person he is.
Speaker 1 (01:11:18):
And I feel like after spending so much time with him,
I feel like I really got to know things. I
really had no clue about doing this, so it was
really special.
Speaker 4 (01:11:27):
I also love picturing like a young Brian, you know,
and kind of the way he looked up to great
drummers and how he just wanted to get there and yeah,
and he did and.
Speaker 1 (01:11:38):
His brother so crazy. Well, thanks for listening, we hope
you join us again, and signing.
Speaker 4 (01:11:48):
I was.
Speaker 7 (01:11:50):
I was going to.
Speaker 5 (01:11:54):
Audios.
Speaker 1 (01:12:01):
Today's show was recorded at the Beautiful Alaire Studios Upstate
New York by John Valsio, mixed by Jamie Landry, Produced
and edited by Sarah Oda.
Speaker 5 (01:12:11):
Additional engineering by Nate Yachino and Greg Tobler.
Speaker 1 (01:12:14):
Photography by Shervin Linez, artwork by Eliza Fry.
Hey, I'm Norah Jones and today I'm playing along with
Brian Blade.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
I'm just playing long with you.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
I'm just playing in lone with you.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
Hey, I'm Norah Jones and with me as always Sarah Oda.
Speaker 4 (00:21):
Hello, Hello.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Today on the show is drummer and songwriter and singer
and guitar player Brian Blade.
Speaker 4 (00:31):
Our guest is a soulful ray of sunshine.
Speaker 5 (00:36):
Yes he is.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
He's someone we know well as I've toured with him
for many years. I've actually known him since I moved
to New York in nineteen ninety nine. He played on
my first few records, and then we didn't play for
a long time, and then the last few years we've
toured together a lot. So we feel very close to him.
We love him very very much. He happens to be.
Speaker 5 (01:00):
One of the best drummers on the planet in the world. Yeah,
I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 6 (01:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
And you know what I love about this episode is
he's played with everybody from Wayne Shorter to Joni Mitchell
yeah and check Rea. But in this episode we get
to hear him do his own stuff, singing, playing guitar,
and like, I feel like it's just the essence of
Brian it's so cool, it's so good.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
He has a band called the Brian Blade Fellowship where
he does play drums and he composes music and that's
an amazing band. He also has a band called Mama Rosa,
which is what we're doing today. We're doing three songs
from that band where he plays guitar and sings, and
I'm going to start us off with a couple songs
that we do in our show. So he plays a
(01:46):
little bit of drums on the show, and later in
the show there.
Speaker 5 (01:50):
Might be a little surprise that.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Was kind of a surprise to me. I might actually
play Brian Blade's drums under him.
Speaker 6 (01:58):
So weird.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
Anyway, there's a drum off, there's a drum off.
Speaker 5 (02:04):
He's gonna win.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
No, no, But this is this was such a special
episode to get inside like his songs for once. I
get to support him, you know, and play his songs
and so great.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
And also because this is a podcast and you can't
see him, he has this smile that is just so powerful.
It's like, I don't want to sound cheesy, but it's
like you can't not smile back at him when he's there.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
He's a beautiful soul, and we we worship him.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
We love you Brian.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Yeah, please enjoy the show today with Brian Blade.
Speaker 7 (03:07):
I told love the Soul every day, said.
Speaker 8 (03:27):
Only fall, no blaves, love gold.
Speaker 7 (03:38):
Mad so out of and a loud clad it feeds.
Speaker 9 (04:01):
Did it come through? You were too fog after funny.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Jis stay.
Speaker 7 (04:21):
Warm and all you never told me by the ward
(05:08):
every day was changed, but I remain.
Speaker 10 (05:21):
With bad.
Speaker 7 (05:28):
Shout call.
Speaker 11 (05:35):
A kind of like the Wada come.
Speaker 8 (05:53):
He would too fog t aftern fall.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
A step.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Wo Yeah, man, thanks for doing that. That's one of
(07:16):
my favorite songs to play with you.
Speaker 6 (07:17):
Well for me too.
Speaker 12 (07:18):
One thing changes, well not everything changes, but in a
way it's like, okay, it's just us. It's kind of weird,
I know, to not like occupy.
Speaker 6 (07:30):
In my mind like oh it's not what's missing, It's
like still what's here?
Speaker 13 (07:36):
I know.
Speaker 6 (07:36):
Also embrace that the space of it. It's cool.
Speaker 5 (07:40):
It's I know it takes a minute to adjust maybe,
but I love it.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
I love it.
Speaker 5 (07:44):
I just love playing with you. So can we do
one more?
Speaker 14 (07:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (07:48):
Can we do Nightingale?
Speaker 6 (07:50):
Sure?
Speaker 5 (07:51):
So this one?
Speaker 1 (07:53):
This song is for my first record, and you're on
that recording. Yeah, it's not the first song we did together. No,
because I remember the first time I played.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
With you was you.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
You wouldn't remember it, but I remember it because I
was a fan of yours already. It was with Sam Yell.
I came and sat in it small and I sang
the nearness of you, and I was so nervous.
Speaker 6 (08:19):
All right, Well, I do remember that. I wish I could.
I wish I could see that footage.
Speaker 5 (08:24):
Oh my god, me too. I was wearing the weirdest
thing too.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
I know that because you can remember Yokin, rocker, drummer,
good friend of mine.
Speaker 5 (08:33):
He was like, yeah, you, what are you wearing?
Speaker 6 (08:35):
No, I do remember that, oh man.
Speaker 5 (08:40):
But this is one of the first songs we recorded
together in the studio.
Speaker 7 (09:12):
Not in Gay.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Sing As a song.
Speaker 14 (09:22):
I'm alone out the world once bloon, not okay, tell.
Speaker 7 (09:31):
Me your thing was your journey? From too long?
Speaker 5 (09:42):
Does it seem like I'm looking for fooling answer.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
To a question?
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Nackas I don't know it's way the falls.
Speaker 5 (10:06):
If I should ploy to the left, noting gay.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Sing Us a song.
Speaker 7 (10:21):
Of love that word, not in.
Speaker 14 (10:29):
Tell me your Tame's your journey? For all the voices
that I spent in trying to tell me what you say.
(10:56):
It's get off behind God, miss you can take way
way o the Lord she's that ask me me try
(12:41):
to tell the to side.
Speaker 5 (12:47):
Just get a flying.
Speaker 7 (12:50):
Behind.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
You can take me wait, you can take me with.
Speaker 5 (13:59):
I got so nervous the middle. I think, well, it's
funny because.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
We play together for long enough now where I just
feel connected when we're playing, and I know wherever it goes,
you're going there, you.
Speaker 6 (14:16):
Know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Well, and it's and it's it's what's so fun about
playing music with you is that you're always reacting to
what's happening. There's no set path and that's where you
come from, right, And I feel like I've learned to
do that better by playing with you.
Speaker 6 (14:35):
Wow, which is so fun.
Speaker 5 (14:38):
It's so fun to be so free like that.
Speaker 12 (14:41):
Yeah, somehow I feel like we I mean, obviously you're
you're given, You're rendering the song with with everything every time, so.
Speaker 6 (14:53):
To also feel like there is that room for the
unknown to still.
Speaker 12 (15:00):
Come and do it.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
Yeah, even though there's a song that's been sung many times,
it's different every time.
Speaker 13 (15:05):
I know.
Speaker 5 (15:06):
But that's the best part.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
And I think that's why I got nervous in the
middle there when I was playing a little instrumental because
I don't really have a lot of chops really, you know,
as you know, but I was thinking about you and
who you've played with, you know, playing with Wayne Shorter, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (15:26):
You know, doing the trio Korea.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Yes, I mean, well, I mean it flies, it just flies, right,
and yes it does.
Speaker 5 (15:37):
And that's why I got nervous.
Speaker 12 (15:39):
Don't get me started every time. I mean, it's like
walking out on the wire every time. And I mean,
and that's that's the beautiful excitement and wonder of it too.
It's like, okay, you know, you think, oh, they have
some ability. I can sort of do this.
Speaker 5 (15:58):
Yet Yeah, I think I can do this. Oh I'm
out here on the war.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
I better do it.
Speaker 6 (16:04):
Walk walk steady.
Speaker 5 (16:06):
I'm doing it.
Speaker 6 (16:07):
Wait, I'm doing it exactly.
Speaker 5 (16:09):
Then all of a sudden, you're fine.
Speaker 6 (16:11):
Well that's the liberty.
Speaker 12 (16:12):
But the trust element, yes, you know, the trusting each
other and knowing that you're each other's net.
Speaker 6 (16:18):
Yeah, well, like I might have fallen off the wire,
but hey, she's got me.
Speaker 5 (16:22):
Yeah, well you've got me most of the time.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
But I was just thinking about that feeling play with
Wayne or Chick or you know, so many people that
you've played with.
Speaker 5 (16:33):
Yeah, it must be like a real high. It is,
especially with people like that.
Speaker 6 (16:39):
I mean beyond high because it's that funny. I mean funny,
it's it's like deeper than a blessing.
Speaker 12 (16:50):
Doesn't quite describe it, because these are the heroes for
me that you know, you buy a record when you're
seventeen and you listen to these people and they inform
you know, it's like, oh, this is the language, this
is the expression, this is this is how deep and
deeper it can can get. And then you're in their
(17:12):
presence and sharing with them and actually making music, and
so you can't.
Speaker 6 (17:17):
Really, I can't even describe how that how that feels, you.
Speaker 5 (17:22):
Know, it's like a spiritual thing.
Speaker 6 (17:25):
Really is beyond nothing I could orchestrate. Certainly, you know,
certainly so.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Well, I feel honored to play with you because me
too of that same feeling that I get, you know.
But yeah, it must have been a trip with the
first time. Were you able to get out of your
head the first time you play with Wayne Wayne Shorter?
Speaker 2 (17:46):
It took a while, Okay, I mean.
Speaker 12 (17:50):
I mean because there's all you know, I'm still I
was relatively young twenty years ago and more now.
Speaker 6 (17:59):
And uh, you know, we're you know, he's letting me
in on it. And I know kind of what I've heard,
I you know, like all of his music and and
are Blakey and Tony Williams and Joe Chambers.
Speaker 12 (18:14):
Okay, so how do I not sit at the drum
set and not think about all of that which he
is conceived and heard himself. So once I knew what
Wayne was after that, he was you know, like wanting
what it was that that I might say, yeah, you know,
or bring to the table. And so it took a
(18:35):
while to let go, Like what is he thinking?
Speaker 6 (18:37):
What is it? We're on the track? Oh, we we off?
Speaker 1 (18:40):
You know, like well he's got an intense vibe, yes exactly, you.
Speaker 12 (18:45):
Know, like in silence, in silence, but he even in
that he's like giving and feeding the thing that propels
us to that higher place.
Speaker 6 (18:58):
I mean it shocks me, like his.
Speaker 5 (19:00):
Waiting and waiting is the hardest part.
Speaker 6 (19:06):
Yeah, it truly is.
Speaker 12 (19:08):
Like so when he comes in, yeah, it's it's that
like not to say it, you know, like as some
flipping away, but the genius of his him as a
composer as a person, as a man to choose.
Speaker 6 (19:25):
It and know that, Okay, now we're on the mountain. Yeah,
and uh so he puts puts it over, you know,
and so yeah, every time.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
I remember when we recorded with him in Brooklyn with
John Patatucci on bass, we were doing that horror silver
tune piece. Yeah, I was so nervous but also tried
to just be myself, you know, but I just didn't know.
And so I'm singing, We're playing the intro, and then
(19:57):
I'm singing the song and he hasn't come in yet.
He hasn't come in yet. It's like, I don't know
if he's into this, he's.
Speaker 5 (20:03):
Not really into this. And then I finished like two
verses of this beautiful lyric pieces for everyone, and then
I was like I was a come man, it feels
good to me. Maybe he's just and then all of
a sudden, here it comes and he played.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
It's like, yeah, he was waiting. And it took me
a while to understand that that's just what he waits for.
It the perfect thing, or he waits until he has
something to say in the context.
Speaker 6 (20:35):
I don't know absolutely, the context and the lyrical.
Speaker 12 (20:39):
Connection, which you know, these pictorial thinkers like Joni or him,
you know, they they're seeing pictures and they're waiting for ah,
for the depiction like in their voice to come forward.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Yeah, they're not going to fake something, and they're not
going to just come in because they're supposed to, and
they're just waiting for it to be Yeah, for this,
for the I'm trying to think of like a great metaphor,
but for the like the shoot a fit all of
a sudden.
Speaker 5 (21:15):
You know, they're not going to walk around in some
old two big boots.
Speaker 6 (21:19):
Right, No, No, that's right, though I do. I think
that's why.
Speaker 12 (21:26):
That's why he's so great, and you know, like for
you know, I mean, I have such a deep admiration
for you and what you I mean, how you deliver,
like with such grace and power every time I got
to say I mean really, So it gives me that
(21:48):
that confidence to actually say, Okay, I can I can
diet eyes and cross te's here and hopefully make make
it feel right so that you can can take us there.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
Well, I feel like I can fly because you're under
there pushing me out of the mountain, you know.
Speaker 15 (22:06):
But but I know what you mean.
Speaker 5 (22:08):
I also feel like you. You don't just come in.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Unless you're feeling it either, right, you have the same thing,
And I feel like I've learned as I've gotten older
not to try to I kind of try to do
the same thing now. If I'm not feeling something, obviously,
I'm going to fish around and try to find a
way to do it where I am feeling it. But
I'm not going to just do it unless I find
(22:35):
that way.
Speaker 6 (22:36):
That's That's one thing that I love about you. That's right.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
I'm not a good faker. That's kind of what it's about,
right exactly. And it's not not to say that people
are faking it, you know when they're when they're not
completely steadfast in that. However, there is an elevation that
happens whenever it's just pure and heartfelt.
Speaker 6 (22:59):
Yeah, well plan I think. I mean you mentioned chick Tooo,
and you know there's this great.
Speaker 12 (23:09):
That the balance that they strike with the content that
exists in the song the form, but to be able
to still see the absolute flexibility and malleability and deconstruction
of it while somehow still maintain you know, like it
could go so far away from that original thought. But
(23:33):
then sometimes it's being kept along the way it might
go underground.
Speaker 5 (23:37):
It's still pure totally. Yeah, that's the key, that's the balance.
Speaker 6 (23:41):
And then when that the thing like re emerges or
kind of.
Speaker 12 (23:47):
Sort of it's told again, you know, like I don't know,
it's the creation, the process of it. You know, to
to take the trip and take audiences listeners on the
same trip.
Speaker 6 (24:01):
And not not be in my head. Ye like to
trust that, Okay, we're on the journey together.
Speaker 5 (24:07):
That's the That's how it should be totally. And people
can feel when you're in your head, not you personally
in general.
Speaker 16 (24:15):
Yeah, believe me.
Speaker 6 (24:17):
Yeah, I feel that too.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
Like sometimes you think you're in your head and then
you go back months later and you listen to a
recording and it's great.
Speaker 6 (24:24):
Trust my own feelings.
Speaker 5 (24:25):
Yeah, it's almost like you can't trust yourself exactly.
Speaker 12 (24:28):
Yeah, I lean, you know, it's like leaning towards you
and knowing it's like it's okay, you know, we're It's
kind of like, who is that?
Speaker 6 (24:37):
It's another Wayne reference movie reference.
Speaker 12 (24:40):
He always it's Christopher Reeves and Margot Kidder like she's
falling from some height and Chris Reeve flies over, you know, Superman.
Speaker 6 (24:50):
It's like I got you, you know, and she's.
Speaker 5 (24:52):
Like, who's got you?
Speaker 6 (24:55):
Well, you know, it's like, yeah, that's incredible.
Speaker 5 (25:00):
It's mutual. Wait is that something you said? Or is
that something Wayne?
Speaker 12 (25:08):
But it's it's beautiful because didn't they talk about spirit?
You know? And then then you're realizing it's like, okay, wow,
you know am I really? I mean, we're we're making
something together.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
Yeah, it's it's yeah, it has to be a conversation
in exchange. Well, you're so fun to play with. I
want to talk about your history. But I think we
could play one of I think it'll lead us into
it nicely if we tried to play one of your
songs from Mama Rosa. All right, if you feel like it,
(25:47):
maybe after the revival, I don't know perfect.
Speaker 5 (25:51):
Does that sound good?
Speaker 6 (25:54):
Do you want to just start right on the verse
or you can play.
Speaker 5 (25:57):
The intro if you want. I kind of have the
true O great.
Speaker 6 (26:01):
But all that's cool? Nice? Yeah, I love that. No,
(26:22):
that's great. Sons or too.
Speaker 7 (27:01):
Mm hmmmmm.
Speaker 17 (27:46):
Mama Rose is gonna keep us warm until you come
back to my loving arms.
Speaker 10 (27:55):
Mmmmm until after the revival.
Speaker 7 (28:01):
Day at it.
Speaker 18 (28:02):
Don't leave too long. I'm going to need you here
at home after the revival.
Speaker 5 (28:20):
You first born.
Speaker 19 (28:21):
Something is on his way day, pray the Lord, keep
another day. Red water became red wine, part of this
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miracle of mine.
Speaker 10 (28:49):
Wait your arrival, see the faithful falling down money, running
this dust.
Speaker 6 (29:00):
The time.
Speaker 10 (29:04):
We need to revive.
Speaker 16 (29:12):
Your first one.
Speaker 19 (29:13):
Sun is on his way, fail along, keep another day. Yeah,
(29:46):
sleeve my dog through the night. I'm going to watch
him til the morning.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
Night a news sunrising.
Speaker 16 (30:01):
Announces birth all.
Speaker 10 (30:03):
Day to day. She four times case.
Speaker 12 (30:08):
I j.
Speaker 10 (30:11):
All gospel radio, the joy we shall walk in. Mama
going to sing you a lollaby.
Speaker 16 (30:38):
Bye bye.
Speaker 20 (30:46):
M hm, sorry act, do you do your homework? I don't,
so you knew you knew your rage.
Speaker 6 (31:06):
And and I was going off.
Speaker 5 (31:08):
I was trying to follow you.
Speaker 6 (31:09):
Oh it's awesome.
Speaker 5 (31:11):
I love the song for.
Speaker 6 (31:12):
You, man.
Speaker 5 (31:13):
I love hearing you sing and playing guitar.
Speaker 6 (31:15):
Oh you man, you're like putting all the diamonds on.
Speaker 10 (31:19):
It was so beautiful.
Speaker 6 (31:20):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
It's it was so fun listening to this and learning
it because your chords are.
Speaker 5 (31:27):
Hard to pick.
Speaker 16 (31:29):
The hardcore, Well, that's funny.
Speaker 6 (31:33):
What would Levan say about he was talking a garth.
Speaker 12 (31:36):
He's like it was easy when you know how, but
I don't know how shold, so that makes it hard maybe,
Like I'm really just going towards like the letting the
melodies lead me to all the harmony around, you know,
within it around and yeah, so it's kind of fun,
you know, discovering different sounds that I feel like, not
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that you know, it's all sort of existed already, but
to feel like, oh wow, that's a discovery for me.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (32:08):
Well that's what songwriting is kind of well for right.
Speaker 12 (32:11):
I guess, so just for just this, you know, just
the pure sound and it's like when harmonies come together,
it's such a it's a beautiful thing and it charges
me up, you know, to write.
Speaker 5 (32:25):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
It's kind of like the same approach we were just
talking about, just finding the thing that feels right, yeah,
and not playing a traditional chord because you learned it
from a.
Speaker 6 (32:37):
Book, you know, right, So don't I have many of
those under the belt.
Speaker 5 (32:42):
But do you use a different tuning?
Speaker 1 (32:45):
No, okay, because you have some of those joney chords
going and I was kind of wondering if that kind
of inspired some of the way you hear.
Speaker 5 (32:54):
Oh for chords, for sure.
Speaker 12 (32:56):
I mean, wow, her sense of harmony and how she
years the question in it all, and how it reflects
the nature of the of the story, like wow, it's
it's so. I haven't ever met anyone like her, And
of course given a two cassettes of hers when I learned.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
How to drive when I was really I was wondering, Yeah,
when the first time you heard her?
Speaker 12 (33:22):
Yeah, A dear friend of mine named Roger Barnes, great
pianist and singer. I used to play with him in
my hometown Shreveport. He gave me a Hijira and Mingus
on cassette two.
Speaker 6 (33:35):
Yeah, when I started driving.
Speaker 12 (33:38):
On the way to high school and put them in,
you know, my beetle, and man, it was just another
world had opened with the aubon the just the first
hearing of her music, and so yeah, her harmonic storytelling
and lyrical storytelling touched me deeply, and I think, you know,
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you know, it's it's in there coming out a little bit,
and you know, it's so thankful for.
Speaker 5 (34:07):
Yeah, you got to play with her so much, did you?
How did that happen? Was that through Daniel Anne Wall
it was? And how did you meet him?
Speaker 6 (34:19):
Yeah? Well he was living in New Orleans. I had
moved there several years before I moved there. I moved
there in eighty eight to go to college.
Speaker 5 (34:27):
Yeah, and did you study music in college?
Speaker 6 (34:30):
Sort of.
Speaker 5 (34:31):
I was on the peripheral of the you already had
done it, so yeah.
Speaker 6 (34:36):
But I was like, oh, I.
Speaker 12 (34:37):
Thought, okay, I wanted to I wanted to write, and
so I was you know, journalism and oh communications.
Speaker 5 (34:44):
Really that was kind of my idea.
Speaker 12 (34:46):
Well, it was a lot of different, but it was
kind of going towards death no musicology, local musicological like direction.
Speaker 6 (34:55):
Like I was like, okay, maybe I can be do
what Alan Lomax did. Wow.
Speaker 12 (35:01):
But anyway, I ended up playing more than I documented
others playing, so anyway or writing about it. But Dan Daniel,
I think he had heard me play in the cafe
because his studio was kind of on the edge of
the quarter. So I was playing in the cafe and
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I think he'd heard me play and invited me to
come and just, you know, play with him. He was
about to release his second record, and we became fast
friends and went on the road for three months right away.
And he knew I loved Joni and he had known
her and he had played her some things that we
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had been recording, and she shared some things that she
had been recording with him.
Speaker 6 (35:48):
I wasn't there, but she liked what she heard what
he had shared.
Speaker 12 (35:53):
And I got back to my room in New Orleans
or wherever, I forget where I was, Columns Hotel or
somewhere like that, and the phone rings and I pick
up and it's her. Wow, And we started talking on
the phone for a year or so before before you
played together.
Speaker 6 (36:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (36:11):
Wow, I didn't realize that.
Speaker 6 (36:13):
Yeah, it was a deep you know again, how do you.
Speaker 12 (36:19):
You know?
Speaker 5 (36:20):
That is pretty deep?
Speaker 17 (36:22):
It is.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 12 (36:23):
And then then for her to trust and be like, okay,
well I want to start working on a record.
Speaker 6 (36:27):
And so flew me out there and you know, met
me at the carousel and I'm really I'm reeling, you know,
she picked up.
Speaker 12 (36:35):
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 6 (36:39):
It was so and then we you know, just started
this whole dance and it's still.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
Going really and you you had already become such good
friends in a way, yeah, but yeah, you hadn't met her.
Speaker 6 (36:52):
Talking, no, no, not face to face.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
So it was great to such a backwards way then normal, right, yeah.
Speaker 5 (37:00):
Exactly, and so cool.
Speaker 12 (37:02):
Yeah, and you know, to feel I mean, obviously there
was a great debt of gratitude that I felt, you know,
just to I wanted to give to her, but then
for her to just still give more to me, just
by including.
Speaker 6 (37:21):
Me and her.
Speaker 5 (37:24):
The mutual respects.
Speaker 6 (37:25):
Man, it's amazing.
Speaker 5 (37:28):
And what was the record you guys made that first time.
Speaker 6 (37:31):
Taming the Tiger?
Speaker 13 (37:33):
I loved that, right, it's so great that every song
you know, it's it's it's so many stories she tells
so good and so detailed, and again this pictorial thought
and every color and every corner and has.
Speaker 12 (37:54):
A description, you know, like with such clarity. And she
was on a whole nother schedule, like work, you know,
late at night into them, and I was I was fading,
you know, I.
Speaker 6 (38:07):
Just got into Los Angeles, so I think I.
Speaker 12 (38:12):
Was at the drums practically, like I mean, I was excited,
but you know, towards the end and she's.
Speaker 6 (38:19):
Like, that was it, and I was like what, you
know what you.
Speaker 12 (38:24):
So it was so great that you know, she just
kept it rolling and kept you know, giving me the
opportunity to do it. And and sure enough, talk about
not being able to trust your feelings sometimes I was like,
oh man, am I bringing the thing?
Speaker 5 (38:38):
But yeah, you know, and you were tired.
Speaker 6 (38:40):
It was in her hands. So that was like, I
have absolute trust in that.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
And and Wayne is on that record exactly. Yeah, and
she's she had already known Wayne. Yes, So is that
how you met Wayne?
Speaker 13 (38:55):
You know?
Speaker 6 (38:55):
I feel like there's a yes in there, but but
not directly.
Speaker 12 (39:00):
Yeah, I think Wayne, I'm not really sure how he
came to reach out to me, but again, that was
a call that that really surprised me.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
And yeah, he does that thing on that record that
we were talking about too, where he just I used
to it was such a door in high school. In
college is when I was obsessed with that record and
I was like.
Speaker 5 (39:25):
It's like he's weaving threads of gold through every song.
But it really is.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
Yes, it's so intense and beautiful the way he plays
on that record exactly.
Speaker 6 (39:35):
Yeah, yeah, yes, you know, I don't know, it's funny
with you. I mean, you do it all the time.
Speaker 12 (39:45):
You know, you're sharing this thing, but you know, and
then you have this great uh, you know, the love
and admiration for each other, so that fuels all of
the you know, the fire you know of it.
Speaker 6 (40:00):
You know, even more so.
Speaker 5 (40:03):
Yeah, I think, and it's for me.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
It's the worst feeling in the world when I'm playing
music and I don't feel that, and and I can't
fake it, and I'm just like, yeah, gosh, how do
I get it? I used to hear this story about
Ray Charles where it didn't matter how he was feeling,
he would always get there at some point if he
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was having an off night, you know, and yelling at
his band members or whatever it was, but he would
always get there. And I remember hearing that at one
point when I was younger and thinking, oh, okay, so
that's what I want to do. Always get there, you know,
like it took a minute for me to realize what
that thing was, Like, Oh that was a good gig.
Speaker 5 (40:45):
I think, No, did I get there?
Speaker 6 (40:48):
It's like, well, sometimes you know, like to not it's
hard not to feel.
Speaker 12 (40:56):
That because you want the circle to be unbroken, as
might say, you know, like with with the you know
you're sharing, but they're sharing that thing too.
Speaker 5 (41:07):
Yeah, you don't.
Speaker 1 (41:07):
You want to be able to receive it and not
just be the person at the party who talks someone's.
Speaker 5 (41:12):
Ear off.
Speaker 6 (41:14):
Right and how the response might manifest.
Speaker 12 (41:17):
You know, it might not be, it might not be
as enthusiastic as as you as you think, but you
kind of trust that, you know, the seeds the good are.
Speaker 6 (41:32):
You know, it was put in good soil. And you know,
even if I walk away from this moment and go.
Speaker 12 (41:37):
On, something's growing there. You know, something was placed in
the heart. Yeah, and so I just I hope that
every time we play that that's what's up.
Speaker 5 (41:48):
Yeah, it's a good way to come into it.
Speaker 6 (41:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:52):
It's funny because we've been playing so many trio shows
and I've it's just it's completely opened up the way
I play the piano the last four years that we've
been doing the trio shows and I play I'm like
really busy on the piano. But it kind of works
with those because there's no other chortal instrument, you know.
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And then now we're starting to introduce like a guitar
player in and I'm like, oh, crap, I gotta start
listening to it again, you know, like I got so
used to.
Speaker 6 (42:21):
Just sort of one thing changed. Well, you know, I
never it's funny, I know what you mean.
Speaker 5 (42:26):
Like it's trio, so there's that space, there's so much space.
Speaker 6 (42:30):
But I never like you being busy. I don't know
that that.
Speaker 1 (42:34):
Well, me being busy is different from some other people
being busy. But yeah, but I mean compared to how
I used to play. I used to tour with two
guitar players, oh wrestle, and it was awesome.
Speaker 5 (42:46):
I mean, the songs had all these beautiful guitar parts.
It made sense. But I would just do my little
you know, you know.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
My little tinkley like octaves, and that was it. And
now I'm trying to cover all, you know, all the
other parts art. And then during the pandemic, I would
do these live streams every week, so I started playing
you know, more bass and more. I just I finally
realized that the piano is this like whole orchestral instrument,
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and I hadn't been necessarily.
Speaker 5 (43:17):
Using it all.
Speaker 12 (43:18):
You know, Well, you could have fooled me because recently,
don't you mean, Well, that's the good good thing about
like you're feeling, you know, like the barreness of or
the exposed trio like real estate.
Speaker 5 (43:39):
Yeah, you know, it's vulnerable. It's a little bit vulnerable
then and leaving.
Speaker 6 (43:44):
It bear too.
Speaker 12 (43:44):
And then because your voice speaks all this volume, you know,
like empower in and of itself, so anything else is
just it's just extra well I mean really, I mean
I gotta say, I don't know that's that's the beauty
of your gift.
Speaker 5 (44:03):
Is you too?
Speaker 1 (44:04):
I mean you leave a lot of space, but you're technically,
you know, one of the best drummers I've ever seen.
You know, also technically, but I know that's not what
it's about.
Speaker 5 (44:14):
But you happen to be and you happen to have
all that technique. So I want to know.
Speaker 1 (44:20):
I mean, was there a period of time where you
just practiced a lot in high school?
Speaker 6 (44:25):
Oh? Absolutely?
Speaker 1 (44:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (44:27):
Yeah, college, especially college.
Speaker 5 (44:30):
You'd like lock yourself in a room and you play
along to records.
Speaker 6 (44:34):
Kind of yeah, Like I wanted to know, like, you know,
when listening to Elvin or or Blakey or.
Speaker 12 (44:45):
Paul Motion, like what what I loved it? And what
made it so great? Like how these sounds and rhythmic conception?
Speaker 6 (44:54):
How did you know? How did they get there?
Speaker 12 (44:56):
And you know, so yeah, I was trying to you know,
really lean in on executing things in that like as
they would hopefully you know, take it off the record
if I could best I.
Speaker 1 (45:09):
Could, And sonically, were you trying to make things sound
like that, like trying to find your way to get
the similar sounds. Absolutely, yeah, absolutely, it's such a like
primal like it moves you.
Speaker 12 (45:22):
You really yeah yeah, yeah, to try and become one,
you know, just about the metal and wood and yeah,
you know, all four limbs doing what like to make
it a oneness like like it's it is a trip.
But you know, my brother Brady Junior, he's five years
older and that great drummer. You know, he helped me
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so much when I was coming up as we started
playing in church and him sort of informing me about,
you know, how to listen to or rather stay.
Speaker 6 (45:54):
On the tracks rhythmically speaking, to stay on the beach.
Speaker 12 (45:57):
Yeah, well yeah, just sort of yeah, this almost he
instilled this like immovable sensibility in me, like in terms
of rhythm, even if you're not playing uh, every every downbeat,
in every every you know, dit and dash, the rhythm
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is still moving on.
Speaker 6 (46:24):
The train, yes, you know. Yeah, so let you know,
it's okay, you don't.
Speaker 5 (46:28):
Have to play it every bad exactly. He taught you that.
Speaker 12 (46:31):
I mean, you know, I'm speaking this right now for
the first time, Like you know, obviously you know there's
a time to stay, like to be literal about it
and to lean in on it. But then in my
own growth, personal growth, I think it's come to me
that Okay, I can, I can look away from the
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from the molecule, but the molecule is still there.
Speaker 5 (46:58):
Yeah, yeah, exactly, you know, And that's how you're so open.
Speaker 12 (47:01):
And I hope so, you know, and hopefully that served
the song because if if I'm not doing that, then
I'm not doing anything.
Speaker 1 (47:10):
Okay that brings me to something that is unique about you.
You're always listening to the lyrics.
Speaker 5 (47:18):
Trying to Yeah, I know, but not everybody does. I
mean all the great musicians do you really do?
Speaker 6 (47:28):
Though?
Speaker 5 (47:29):
It's important to me, and of course it should be.
Speaker 6 (47:33):
Well, even more so because I've seen it.
Speaker 12 (47:36):
I've been in situations where I noticed others weren't yeah,
and then and then I heard the things that didn't.
They didn't give uh the underpinning or the or the
conversation was was was not.
Speaker 5 (47:57):
It wasn't a conversation.
Speaker 6 (47:59):
It wasn't an act.
Speaker 1 (48:00):
That's the only way it can be a conversation, is
like if you're actually listening, actually, there you go, and.
Speaker 12 (48:07):
It can hurt, you know, like I literally feel like,
oh no, this is not not not not really taking
us higher. So I want to be careful about that
that part of it and knowing that.
Speaker 6 (48:23):
That's the thing about church. These singers they're so great,
but they they're you know, these folks, they're not they're
not trained musicians and trying to be you know, they're
they're there to praise the Lord.
Speaker 5 (48:38):
So they have a message truly, and then they yield
to that.
Speaker 12 (48:43):
And and so as the drummer, if they don't go
to the fore chord when when you think it's supposed to,
you don't like try and push them there, like you
wait and and it and what's going to come out
is going to be the true spirit of the thing
and the best thing because because they're they're being led
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by something you know, much much deeper than your your beats.
Speaker 1 (49:10):
That's that's pretty profound way of learning that lesson exactly.
Speaker 5 (49:15):
You know, that's makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 1 (49:18):
Yeah, I think how to be open, Like that's funny
that to me, I would think that being that way
comes from playing jazz, But actually it sounds like it
started in church.
Speaker 12 (49:28):
Totally did Yeah, totally didn't. And every other opportunity you
know that I had. You know, it was all informed
by that foundation, you know, and and uh you know,
you know maybe you know I learned some other things. Yeah,
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but it's still kind of that essential the core totally.
I mean it's like we're sitting in this room, but
you know, like the way Levan plays and sings, Wow,
I mean that kind of to me, it's like, wow,
you know, it doesn't get any better.
Speaker 6 (50:05):
It's like, man, he's like all there and yeah, you know.
Speaker 1 (50:10):
He's i mean he's preaching, he's he's putting it all in. Yeah,
he's all on the table.
Speaker 5 (50:19):
It's like I can't start with the stupid metaphorse no.
Speaker 6 (50:25):
Yeah, but you know in spirit, yeah, I feel like
I were two hats.
Speaker 12 (50:30):
It's like writing music for the Fellowship band is one thing,
and then I have to figure out, Okay, what's the
drummer gonna do?
Speaker 5 (50:36):
That must be hard to be the drummer in your band.
Speaker 12 (50:39):
Well it's great because I'm truly just a part of
this thing. Like I have to then come up with
the drumming aspect of the band, Like what's my role?
Speaker 5 (50:51):
But you've written all the music?
Speaker 6 (50:52):
Well yeah, but still, who's this guy Wo wrote the music.
Speaker 12 (50:55):
You know, it's like, well, if John brings us something,
obviously I'm already I'm so in it. And you know,
our friendship binds us in that I can I feel
like I know it already even though it's new.
Speaker 6 (51:06):
But even when I write it myself, it's like, Okay,
I still have to come up create something.
Speaker 5 (51:11):
So you have to feel it.
Speaker 12 (51:12):
Yeah, it leaves a window because I don't necessarily write
from a rhythmic point of view.
Speaker 6 (51:18):
I'm not coming up with.
Speaker 5 (51:19):
You know, you're coming up with melodies and a feeling.
Speaker 6 (51:22):
Yeah, and writing for their voices. Yeah, so that my voice.
Then I have to write later when we're all together,
or you.
Speaker 5 (51:31):
Just have to feel it in the room exactly.
Speaker 6 (51:33):
And so I love I love those those.
Speaker 12 (51:40):
The process you know of getting there, you know, like
you're speaking about getting there and then and with Mama
Rosa music, it's kind of then I'm here, So I
have to take off that hat.
Speaker 6 (51:51):
And yeah, on this other hat.
Speaker 5 (51:52):
So Ma Morosa is the band.
Speaker 1 (51:54):
The song we just did is from that band, Yes,
and that's where you sing and play guitar exactly. Yeah,
and so the drummer in that band must be like
oh crap, because you're not playing drums, you're hier drummer.
Speaker 6 (52:09):
Which that must have been really hard.
Speaker 12 (52:10):
It's it's it's actually easy because well, Steve Nister plays
drums in Ma Rosa and he is so great because
he felt something from the music and.
Speaker 6 (52:22):
Approached me about it. So oh wow, So it's great.
I can just trust him to do his thing.
Speaker 5 (52:26):
That's good. There's no weird like drum off thankfully so and.
Speaker 6 (52:32):
He'll, you know, if I have some random suggestion, he's
open to it, which is great.
Speaker 1 (52:36):
I want.
Speaker 6 (52:37):
I wanted there to be that you know, collaborative, you know, feeling.
Speaker 1 (52:42):
When you started this band and made the record or
had you been doing gigs with the Mama Rosa material
the record?
Speaker 12 (52:50):
No, you know it was it was all very Again
I have to thank my friend Daniel land While because
you know, it was all on a four track at
home for me, a diary. Really, it wasn't about trying
to make a record to put out. It's just what
you do exactly. But then the great blessing that came
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and me realizing what it means to truly release something.
Speaker 5 (53:18):
Yeah, oh yeah, like that's the whole thing, the.
Speaker 6 (53:21):
Fullness of that that's being completed. Like yeah, okay, you know,
I'm fine with it just existing right here in my room.
But then when it goes.
Speaker 5 (53:30):
Out, then you know, you have to let go a
little and and and wow.
Speaker 6 (53:39):
What can come back?
Speaker 21 (53:40):
You know?
Speaker 6 (53:40):
And what does come back?
Speaker 12 (53:43):
It's boundless And I've already I mean I've seen it,
and my wife I've seen it, you know, and just
strangers who you know, and and wow, what a fulfillment.
Like had I not put out Mama Rosa, I probably
wouldn't be married right now. Really, I mean really, I
mean in a way, it's kind of like a lot
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of letters in there to her.
Speaker 5 (54:07):
I love the story, Yeah, how personally you want to
get but.
Speaker 12 (54:10):
No, no, it's but again, it's like it's like a transmission.
Speaker 6 (54:16):
You know, you got to send it, You got to
send it out. I mean not that I wasn't, but
in that way were a record.
Speaker 5 (54:24):
Yeah, you weren't mailing them too, No, No.
Speaker 6 (54:27):
They were really kind of just tucked away, hidden.
Speaker 5 (54:30):
And because you knew each other in high school.
Speaker 6 (54:33):
Yeah, yeah, I just want to know.
Speaker 5 (54:35):
Yeah, I know you, I don't know how deep you
want to get.
Speaker 6 (54:37):
It's great, it's great all.
Speaker 5 (54:39):
And then she discovered the record.
Speaker 6 (54:42):
Yeah, and reached out, heard a song and yeah. Wow.
Speaker 12 (54:45):
So it's funny twenty years goes by and you're like wow,
you know, and then still thinking about you.
Speaker 5 (54:53):
Yeah, I know, Yeah, it's very beautiful.
Speaker 12 (54:57):
It's so you know, the record actually means a lot
to me, the music on that record, and then continuing
to develop ideas for the future.
Speaker 1 (55:10):
It's really you know, well, I love your singing and
it took a while for me to make you sing
with me. Once I realized how good of a singer
you were, I just wanted you to sing all the time.
What other song from the Mama Rossa would you like
to do? We have we have center Line or Nature's Law?
Speaker 12 (55:33):
Oh wow, we could try at the center line or uh.
I've never played Nature's Law with anyone, so that would be.
Speaker 5 (55:42):
Really well, you know, I would just tinker.
Speaker 6 (55:45):
Also, you could just play it you can No, No,
I would love love to do either one. Which one
would you both? Okay? Cool?
Speaker 7 (55:58):
Yeah?
Speaker 21 (56:06):
Servinity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage
to change the things I can, and the wisdom to
know the deaferences.
Speaker 15 (56:29):
We won't be for sake.
Speaker 10 (56:35):
Is Mercy Woden will fall.
Speaker 17 (56:42):
Speed, the past behind us, net the moment, bring nother change.
Speaker 16 (56:55):
Because in my.
Speaker 7 (56:58):
I love.
Speaker 15 (57:01):
Do love me away, wild love is rady can I
big spaceted?
Speaker 22 (58:08):
At the citterlaw, we will find our balance.
Speaker 5 (58:17):
The sister's hard and a brother's head.
Speaker 11 (58:24):
At the center line.
Speaker 22 (58:27):
We will lead the challenge dead down and start at
the sinson land. We will find our balance the sister's
(58:50):
hard of brother's head.
Speaker 16 (58:56):
At the center law.
Speaker 15 (58:59):
We will need the chavelenge.
Speaker 22 (59:05):
Tear it down and start again.
Speaker 2 (59:12):
Had the cinter.
Speaker 16 (59:19):
It's the center, the center had the center line.
Speaker 10 (01:00:05):
You're also man.
Speaker 6 (01:00:08):
That it's so bizarre.
Speaker 2 (01:00:13):
I know me singing.
Speaker 6 (01:00:16):
I mean, man, I love it. It's beautiful, thank you. Wow.
Speaker 5 (01:00:21):
Well it's easier.
Speaker 1 (01:00:22):
It's funny because like there's some very strange chords in
these songs that don't make a lot of sense to me.
But then when I don't think about the chords and
I just listen to the melody, I can follow it,
you know what I mean?
Speaker 5 (01:00:37):
And I guess that's it, like just get out of
your head.
Speaker 12 (01:00:40):
I hope, So I think, yeah, that's I mean, it's
almost like, well, I guess you feel that way in
your songwriting. I would think too, like there's this gravity
and you're like, oh wow, I'm going there okay or
some noow you just place your hand and you're like.
Speaker 5 (01:01:00):
Oh yeah, that's nice, random shape. Yeah.
Speaker 12 (01:01:05):
So like I look for those those kind of surprising
moments you know too, you know, inspire me, hopefully push
me into like.
Speaker 6 (01:01:14):
Ooh yeah yeah on Chartered Territory it's cool. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:01:17):
Also, I noticed that you always have a guitar when
we're on tour, so you're always in your hotel room
kind of tinkering around, right.
Speaker 5 (01:01:25):
You know, you always had that guitar on tour.
Speaker 6 (01:01:28):
Like since since what was it ninety five?
Speaker 12 (01:01:34):
Nice just before the first Fellowship Band record and you know,
starting to write, yeah, and I realized that I didn't
have a great connection with the piano.
Speaker 6 (01:01:45):
I've written very little at the piano.
Speaker 5 (01:01:47):
Plus can't take it to your hotel room, can't.
Speaker 6 (01:01:52):
Then there's that, so you know, maybe it's because violin
was my first instrument.
Speaker 12 (01:01:57):
Really yeah, so I had this maybe the string and
want you know, like and through my again my friend
Daniel Lanwile being around him and you know, his guitars.
Speaker 6 (01:02:07):
Were always there and you say, oh, you could play
you know.
Speaker 12 (01:02:09):
Whatever you want and realizing that, oh I kind of
had a friend I could take and so yeah, I've
kept it with even sometimes a week on the road
goes by and it doesn't get touched and I'm tony it.
Speaker 1 (01:02:26):
But arguing with flight attendants, I promise this will fit
in the overhead fits.
Speaker 16 (01:02:34):
Ye, just let me check.
Speaker 12 (01:02:37):
So there's a thing that ten minutes you're like in
the bathroom before sound check.
Speaker 6 (01:02:42):
Even if you have that, you never know when to spark.
Speaker 5 (01:02:45):
It can't catch. You might write a great song exactly,
So it's.
Speaker 6 (01:02:48):
Worth it just in case. Yeah, keep it, keep it there,
and I love it. Put the ideas down.
Speaker 2 (01:02:54):
I'm just playing.
Speaker 5 (01:03:00):
I remember seeing your dad.
Speaker 1 (01:03:01):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, your dad h Brady Senior, right,
and you guys have that band, the Hallelujah Train exactly.
Speaker 5 (01:03:11):
And he's he's been preaching in the same church for
how many years?
Speaker 6 (01:03:14):
This is the sixty first year. That's crazy.
Speaker 5 (01:03:17):
Yeah, same church, same building. Even no's move.
Speaker 12 (01:03:20):
He's moved the church. This is the third move over
the years. And he's one of those guys. You know,
I always feel like he had a future, you know,
a vision of it, you know, like and growth and
like a father. He always did not like, oh wow,
I don't know, hope, I'm just a little of that
(01:03:43):
because he's.
Speaker 5 (01:03:44):
A powerful person.
Speaker 1 (01:03:45):
His presence, he's got the presence, he really does. He's
so tall, he's got the lowest baritone, right.
Speaker 6 (01:03:56):
Yeah, it's funny.
Speaker 12 (01:03:58):
You know, he tells stories about because he's been singing,
you know, ever since he was born. Yeah, and his
high school you know life and confessing his call to
the ministry, you know, at what thirteen fourteen, So he's
entering high school with that over him, so to speak.
Speaker 6 (01:04:19):
But you know, he's still a boy, and he's still
you know, taking part in dances.
Speaker 5 (01:04:25):
And yeah, he's curious.
Speaker 12 (01:04:26):
Yeah, but and but doing things and choosing to and
choosing not to do certain things. Yeah, so he's had
a trip his life. I'm trying to finish a documentary
about you know that's connected to the Holiday train and
his ministry out and.
Speaker 6 (01:04:45):
In the songs that come.
Speaker 5 (01:04:48):
From it, and so yeah, but I watch it. I mean,
he commands the stage.
Speaker 1 (01:04:53):
I couldn't take my eyes off him, and I saw,
you guys, he's a whip and he called me up.
Speaker 6 (01:04:58):
I was like, okay, yes, sir, I mean thank you
for that. He still talks about it.
Speaker 1 (01:05:04):
It was so fun also just seeing you up there
with your brother Brady, right, and Junior and Senior and
your dad singing, and you guys with the two drums,
with the two drums. There's something about two drummers playing
together that I don't always understand, you know, like some
bands have it, and it's there's moments where.
Speaker 5 (01:05:24):
It's awesome, right, and then I'm like, but I don't understand.
Speaker 1 (01:05:28):
Don't they feel kind of locked to something that maybe
they don't want to be. But when I saw you
and Brady playing drums together, it was really special and
it was just like the smiles, you know, I mean,
it was cool.
Speaker 6 (01:05:45):
It's one of those things where you don't even have
to talk, you know, there's no question.
Speaker 1 (01:05:50):
There's just something about that lock up between family. Yeah,
because you grew up doing.
Speaker 2 (01:05:55):
It together, you know.
Speaker 1 (01:05:58):
Yeah, it's beautiful. I love how you when you sing,
you command you really command it. And I just kind
of flashed on your dad how he did command it?
Speaker 6 (01:06:08):
Thank you?
Speaker 3 (01:06:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (01:06:10):
Do you think you'd play me Nature's Law?
Speaker 21 (01:06:12):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (01:06:12):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (01:06:12):
Please? I love this song. I don't have to play
on it at all.
Speaker 19 (01:06:16):
Oh please, man, I love it.
Speaker 6 (01:06:20):
Thank you so it's honor for me.
Speaker 5 (01:06:27):
Oh, I kind of want to play drums. I will
do you mind if I try?
Speaker 6 (01:06:35):
I know, move, move those towels over there or anything.
Freak out of course?
Speaker 12 (01:06:44):
Are you kidding?
Speaker 6 (01:06:45):
This would be this would be awesome.
Speaker 5 (01:06:50):
I mean your house, it's so great. I can't believe
played drums.
Speaker 2 (01:07:00):
Thanks for being unfair? You kidding?
Speaker 22 (01:07:02):
I love it.
Speaker 6 (01:07:03):
That's just like a dream to please. I want to
try from the top, all right, lot h mm hmm.
Speaker 17 (01:07:44):
She holds the scales on her left hand side, her
mighty sorts means.
Speaker 7 (01:07:53):
Down from the ride.
Speaker 6 (01:07:57):
She calls her right.
Speaker 10 (01:07:58):
So that she won't go see the trouble in the
world won't let her be.
Speaker 17 (01:08:09):
Balance shifts and we lose control, the bum drinking and
the bombs and explore because we wanted it all and
we won't let nothing but MITRE's law gonna bring us
(01:08:31):
down to a turn away.
Speaker 21 (01:08:38):
From the outside wood.
Speaker 16 (01:08:43):
But I can't escape. Well, I must say, kind of
one too.
Speaker 10 (01:08:58):
Dream for when and till the times come.
Speaker 7 (01:09:03):
If I live the other.
Speaker 16 (01:09:05):
Day, you all will be time.
Speaker 17 (01:09:09):
You gotta shine your life so the ourside world can see.
Speaker 16 (01:09:16):
Everything I give to you comes back to me.
Speaker 7 (01:09:56):
Was that crazy?
Speaker 1 (01:09:57):
It's so good.
Speaker 15 (01:10:01):
I got a little loud on that, right should.
Speaker 20 (01:10:07):
Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 5 (01:10:09):
That was amazing and fun.
Speaker 12 (01:10:13):
I can't believe it.
Speaker 2 (01:10:16):
Was that.
Speaker 20 (01:10:16):
Okay, I love it. I gotta I gotta get.
Speaker 2 (01:10:22):
Your drum kard.
Speaker 13 (01:10:26):
Do go.
Speaker 7 (01:10:27):
Oh, I love it.
Speaker 16 (01:10:30):
Oh man, I cannot believe that.
Speaker 5 (01:10:33):
Well, this was super fun.
Speaker 6 (01:10:35):
Yes, thank you for I'm glad it happened and the
weather was on our side.
Speaker 2 (01:10:41):
Then.
Speaker 5 (01:10:44):
I love you so much. Thanks for playing with me always.
Speaker 2 (01:10:48):
I'm just playing love.
Speaker 5 (01:10:53):
Thanks for listening to the show. We love Brian Blade
so much. Love you, Brian. Yeah, I got to play
his drums. Did I mention that that was so hilarious?
Speaker 4 (01:11:04):
You're like, I think I want to play drums on
this one.
Speaker 1 (01:11:07):
He's like, do it.
Speaker 5 (01:11:08):
I love that he was so cool about it. He
was down for anything.
Speaker 4 (01:11:12):
Yeah, he really was.
Speaker 5 (01:11:13):
Thank god.
Speaker 8 (01:11:15):
I love him.
Speaker 4 (01:11:16):
Incredible person he is.
Speaker 1 (01:11:18):
And I feel like after spending so much time with him,
I feel like I really got to know things. I
really had no clue about doing this, so it was
really special.
Speaker 4 (01:11:27):
I also love picturing like a young Brian, you know,
and kind of the way he looked up to great
drummers and how he just wanted to get there and yeah,
and he did and.
Speaker 1 (01:11:38):
His brother so crazy. Well, thanks for listening, we hope
you join us again, and signing.
Speaker 4 (01:11:48):
I was.
Speaker 7 (01:11:50):
I was going to.
Speaker 5 (01:11:54):
Audios.
Speaker 1 (01:12:01):
Today's show was recorded at the Beautiful Alaire Studios Upstate
New York by John Valsio, mixed by Jamie Landry, Produced
and edited by Sarah Oda.
Speaker 5 (01:12:11):
Additional engineering by Nate Yachino and Greg Tobler.
Speaker 1 (01:12:14):
Photography by Shervin Linez, artwork by Eliza Fry.
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