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June 25, 2025 16 mins

In 2003 American pro-palestinian activists Rachel Corrie was killed while protesting Israeli actions in Gaza.

in this 2008 interview her parents, Craig and Cindy Corrie, talk about Rachel, her commitment to peace, and her posthumously published book.
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(00:00):
No, I don't think Rachel was in the wrong place at the wrong
time. I think she was in the right
place at the right time. I certainly wish that bulldozer
had stopped. But we don't think of Rachel as
a martyr. I think of Rachel as someone who
wanted to live her beliefs and her principles, not just talk
about them. Rachel Corey's parents, Craig
and Cindy Corey today. And now I've heard everything.

(00:21):
I'm Bill Thompson. Rachel Corey was born in 1979
and grew up in the 80s and 90s in Olympia, WA.
In the early 2000s she joined the pro Palestinian group
International Solidarity Movement and that's how she
ended up in Rafa in Gaza. In March of 2003, she was part

(00:43):
of a group of volunteers protesting Israeli demolition of
Palestinian homes. And on March 16th, 2003, Rachel
positioned herself as a human shield between an Israeli
armored bulldozer and a home that they were about to destroy.
And Rachel was killed when that bulldozer ran over her and
crushed her. Now she instantly became an

(01:04):
international symbol, a hero to many, a martyr to some.
Some even suggested, though, that perhaps she was a spy.
But back home in Olympia to her parents, Craig and Cindy Corey,
she was still just their little girl.
After Rachel's death, her writings, her journals, her
Diaries, some of her poems were published in the book called Let

(01:25):
Me Stand Alone. And that's when Craig and Cindy
Corey went out on a publicity tour to promote the book.
And that's when I met them in just a moment, our conversation.
Over a 30 year span, national radio personality Bill Thompson.
Did over 10. 1000 Interviews. With people.
Who had a hand in shaping our culture and our society here is

(01:46):
1 of. Those interviews enjoy.
So here NOW from 2008, Craig andCindy Corey.
The words of Rachel had been so powerful for all of us all her
life, really. From the time she was a little
child, she was a writer. She was the kid who would sit in

(02:08):
the corner and draw and write from the time she was a
preschooler. So they'd always, always had an
impact on us. But when she went to Gaza, which
she did in 2003 and was working with the international
solidarity movement in, in nonviolent resistance, joining
internationals, Palestinians andIsraelis who were opposing the

(02:30):
Israeli occupation, then her words really started to open our
family's eyes to what was going on there.
We thought at the time that she was killed that it was important
to get her words out because that had been one of her goals.
And we shared them. And they were published in The
Guardian in London, later made into a play by the actor Alan

(02:52):
Rickman and the Guardian editor Catherine Viner.
And they were the ones who, after they saw the material that
they were able to draw from, said to us, there needs to be a
book. And our family was slow to work
through all of these things because there was a lot that we
were doing. But eventually, when the play
didn't make it to New York the first time it has.

(03:14):
It has since been then. But when it didn't come the
first time, there was more interest in Rachel's writing.
And at that point we were approached by a an agent, Bill
Clegg from William Norris, and he convinced us that Rachel's
writing was literature and that it needed to, he wanted to take
it to publishers that he knew would be interested.

(03:34):
And then WW Norton was interested and came to us.
So we were kind of drugged through the process, but we knew
Rachel's words were very important and beautiful.
It is. Astounding the writings.
These are not the the ramblings of an adolescent.
These are very, very mature writings from a very early age

(03:54):
about very mature subject matter.
Yeah, I think so, although we'rejust.
I was just last night talking toa young woman high school
student, she said. I was surprised.
She said I'd read about what Rachel had to write about Rafa,
but I'm surprised what she's writing about high school and
how it reaches out to me. But I also think it does to
adults because some of it is very mature.

(04:16):
I think, of course I'm a proud father, but I think very good on
a number of topics from a very early age and I'm still learning
from what Rachel wrote. Some of it is a 10 year old.
I also thought, I mean how fortunate it is that you managed
to save what many parents would just consider the normal
detritus of a childhood and havepitched long ago.

(04:37):
Well, her older sister Sarah talks about looking for the tubs
of things that Cindy would save.And she goes into the attic and
she finds a tub that says Rachelon it.
And then she finds another one that says Sarah on it.
And then she finds two more thatsays Rachel on it and another
one that says Chris and another one that says Rachel.
So Rachel was the one drawing and writing.
And I suppose she also was very messy.

(04:59):
I'm sure we lost, you know, halfof what she wrote, sadly.
But we did. We were lucky enough to find a
great deal and that's been a treasure to us.
It says a great deal, I think, about the two of you as parents,
that she developed a social conscience at an age when when
many girls her age were probablymore concerned with what the
Bengals were doing and now and these days what Britney Spears

(05:21):
might be up to. It seemed like Rachel really
knew what was going on in the world.
Well, it isn't that she didn't think about the Bengals and
makeup and all those things. And I think you see a little of
that in the book as well. I mean, she was a real human
being. And I think that's an important
message for young people and allpeople that read it.
Hers was really, I think if there's one message in the

(05:43):
story, it's that we can all takesteps to do things to make some
difference. But she was our third child.
She had some advantages in a wayover our other kids because our
house was too small for us, too.We love foreign exchange
students, but our house was too small to house them until her
older brother and sister went tocollege.

(06:04):
But then we had foreign exchangestudents in our family always.
You know, I'm not sure where it came from except I grew up in a
farm community in Iowa and I wasalways interested in the world
out there too, and dreaming of having the opportunity to
explore more than I could when Iwas a kid.
And I think probably Rachel picked up on that.

(06:25):
We did. We were in a wonderful
community. We're still there.
Olympia, WA, very rich community.
Rachel went to an elementary school that we helped to start.
It's public school alternative program that emphasizes
community and connecting kids tothe community and having them
feel that they have power to make a difference and and then

(06:48):
looking at the world as your community.
So she did have that background and many people besides our
family, we're we're bringing those values to her.
After the short break, Craig andCindy Corey talk about how
Rachel decided to go to Gaza in the first place.
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(07:08):
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thank you for your support. Now back to my 2008 conversation

(07:30):
with Craig and Cindy Corey. Out of all the world trouble
spots where someone with youthful enthusiasm to try to
make a difference could choose, how did she zero in on the
Middle East, on the Gaza Strip in particular, and on this
particular kind of mission? I think that really arose out of
911 when Rachel, like the rest of us, was horrified at what

(07:53):
happened to the attacks on the Twin Towers and on the Pentagon
in 911. But she started to learn about
it. And the same question, I guess
the president asked, you know, why did somebody do this?
She came to a different conclusion.
She felt that it really a lot ofthe poison in the world comes
out of the sore spot of the conflict between Israel and the

(08:14):
territories of Palestine and theoccupation of the Palestinian
territories in that area. Really.
Gaza is perhaps well now of course, by far the most isolated
and Rafa was the most forgotten place and one of the most
forgotten places. So she really purposely went to
Rafa, and she purposely went there when she thought the war

(08:36):
with Iraq was breaking out, which it did just three days
after she was killed, because she was worried that when the
world's attention was focused onIraq that it would become even
worse in the Gaza Strip and in Rafa.
I think she was right about that, but I don't think it was
immediate. I don't think it happened in a
matter of weeks, but I think it has in a matter of years.

(08:56):
She was not some rich girl playing tourist.
She was right in the thick of it.
She was heavily involved in this.
She had spent a lot of time as acollege student, but really all
of her life, I think, thinking about her connections to the
world, as I explained before. But she also thought very
seriously about activism and hadconnected with the peace

(09:21):
community after after 911 that the peace community really
revived in Olympia. She was working with people who
had spent time in the occupied territories before. 1 was an
Israeli woman who was a faculty member at her college, a woman
who had served in the Israeli military, had lived in Israel

(09:42):
for 29 years. Her family were Holocaust
survivors. But she had become a powerful
voice against the Israeli occupation.
And there were others who had spent time in the West Bank and
Gaza. And Rachel really pursued a lot
of information before she made the decision to go to the West
Bank and Gaza. There were friends of hers that
preceded her there. She studied Arabic for part of a

(10:05):
term at school. And in fact, that was the one
thing that might have kept her from going.
She was, her professor told us she was excellent at Arabic.
She was his best student. And he said, take some more,
stay behind and take some more. And he was from Nazareth.
He originally came from Nazarethand so he also knew the new
first hand what the situation was like, although it's

(10:28):
different being in Israel properthan being in the West Bank and
Gaza. But he, you know, he felt
concerned for her too and for the people that were going.
But she made the decision to go.But she, she went with her eyes
wide open with a lot of information, with a lot of
planning and preparation. But she pointed out there's no
way to go into a situation like that and not have things that

(10:50):
are startling and surprising. It's it's not when you go and
you're, you're right in the midst of it.
It's a very different thing fromreading a book or watching a
film. I think when you say she was
right in the midst of it too, that that some people might get
a little bit different connotation out of that.
The family, for instance, that was behind the wall that Rachel
was standing in front of. And there were actually two
families, two brothers owned that house and their wives, five

(11:13):
children standing behind that wall.
They weren't, as you may read, some people may read on the web,
they were not, quote, terrorists.
They didn't have tunnels coming to that home.
In fact, the younger brother, his wife and a baby that was
born after Rage was killed have come to the United States to do
that. They had to go to Tel Aviv.
They had to get permission from the Israeli government to walk
freely in Tel Aviv and then apply for a visa to come to the

(11:35):
United States and walk freely inLA, for instance.
And neither the Israeli government nor the US government
had anything against this man family, although by that time
the Israeli government are already destroying their home.
As a matter of fact, this familywho had their home shot into by
the Israeli military, their children weren't allowed, as

(11:56):
Rachel writes, to sit in the front in their bedrooms.
They raised rabbits as a result of this because they wanted
something that their children could love and some way to hold
on to their humanity. And I saw that violence.
So they're just really nice family.
And that's who the sort of people she was with is, the
families and people trying to exist there.

(12:17):
Do you think of Rachel as heroic?
As a martyr, simply someone who's in the wrong place at the
wrong time? And what how does?
How do you remember her? Well, I remember her as the
thoughtful, wonderful daughter that I loved.
And I remember her hugs. I remember how when we got
together after not seeing each other for a while, she would

(12:40):
just wrap around arms around me and hold me silently and without
words passing between us. We connected but and I and we
don't we don't think of Rachel as a martyr.
In some ways I I think of Rachelas someone who is very
principled and who lived according to her, wanted to live

(13:02):
her beliefs and her principles, not just talk about them.
And she was young. She was finding ways to do that.
I know how important this journey was to her and
meaningful, how meaningful it was to her, how much she wanted
us to connect with the people inPalestine and the people in
Israel as well whom she was working with.

(13:24):
And so that's how I remember her.
There are many more people out there like Rachel who are doing
this work as well. The bulldozer didn't stop for
her. And also she was a writer.
So that brings her a little moreattention than most people who
do this kind of thing get. But I think it's, it's important
not to think of Rachel as a particularly unique.

(13:45):
I mean, each human being is unique.
But but, but to know that there are others that are doing this
too, because they believe that we can build the world of which
Rachel dreamed. Well, I guess I would just say
that no, I don't think Rachel was in the wrong place at the
wrong time. I think she was in the right
place at the right time. I certainly wish that bulldozer

(14:05):
had stopped, but the family still exists in those now those
children are friends of ours, you know, we we we know that
family and a treasure them like so many others.
And yes, is a private person. I think of Rachel as as a young
kid who loves soccer, loved boutLaix, like to sing all those
things that everybody thinks about their own daughter.

(14:28):
No, she wasn't a particular heroto us.
She was just a kid like a lot ofother kids, but she did show us
what what a normal person can dowith their convictions.
Rachel Corey would have been 46.Now you can get a copy of Rachel
Corey's book Let Me Stand Alone by tapping the link in our show

(14:50):
notes by clicking the link in the description below.
If you're watching this on YouTube or by going to our
website heardeverything.com, we may earn an Amazon Commission if
you make a purchase. Heard everything.com is where I
can also find my 1989 interview with the man who was the Prime
Minister of Israel at the time of Rachel's death, Ariel Sharon.
The only thing that we ask. Is.

(15:12):
To be able to live normal life in our one small tiny country
and my 1995 conversation with long time Palestinian
spokeswoman Hanan Ashrawi. I've always said the.
Palestinian is born with a. Sense of responsibility.
And with a historical. Risk.
So you. Are either a potential victim?

(15:32):
Or a potential maker and shaker.Of reality.
And of course, we post new episodes of Now I've Heard
Everything every Monday, Wednesday, and Friday.
And you can find us everywhere you find podcasts.
And thank you so much for listening.
Next time on Now I've Heard Everything.
Are you a fan of the TV series Bones?
We'll revisit my 1997 conversation with the author

(15:53):
whose book started the whole thing, Kathy Reichs.
One of the things I tried to bring out in the character is
what we do, You know, what goes on in the autopsy room, what
goes on in recovering a body at a crime scene, but also what we
feel and some of those feelings,some of those reactions.
That's next time. Now I've heard everything.
I'm Bill Thompson.
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