What if theology wasn’t an abstract cloud but a clock you could read? We sit down with Minister Eric Muhammad to unpack why the Theology of Time isn’t an add-on to faith—it’s the engine that drives mission, discipline, and community life. From the first salute, we set a clear aim: connect belief to practice, and practice to time.
We trace how the 1972 lectures live on as audio, then dig into the real question: what does “theology” mean when we call it the study of the nature of God? That single shift—from distant idea to lived nature—changes everything. Nature shows up in habits, enterprise, health, and culture. Time gives those patterns a stage, revealing arcs of rise, rule, and reckoning. We walk through key Lessons: the two germs in the original man, the grafting that produced a weaker line, and the fixed six-thousand-year window of rule. Whether you read those teachings literally or as a rigorous moral history, the thread holds: power demonstrates its essence within a set duration, and the close of an era is not random but written.
Along the way, we address the most common misunderstandings. This is not mysticism for mysticism’s sake; it’s a practical lens to understand why discipline and business are spiritual work, why revelation arrives on schedule, and why clarity demands context. When Eric Muhammad says the Theology of Time is the mission, he means it literally: it organizes how we study, how we build, and how we prepare for transition. Even a brief technical hiccup can’t derail the flow, and perhaps that’s the point—timing, patience, and precision are the muscles we train.
If you’re ready to rethink how faith interacts with calendars, culture, and power, press play and join us. Subscribe, share the episode with someone who needs a sharper lens on history, and leave a review with the one insight that shifted your perspective.
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Episode Transcript
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SPEAKER_02 (00:13):
What's going on, everybody out there?
Everybody out there is Ron BrownLMT, the People's Fitness
Professional, aka So BrotherNumber One, reporting for duty.
We got Minister Eric Mohammed inthe building.
My brother definitely have agreater appreciation for this
brother right now, man.
You can't tell me nothing aboutEric Muhammad right now.
(00:34):
Nothing.
I'll be pissed off if you talkcrazy about brother Eric
Muhammad right now.
So I just wanted to say that Ireally appreciate you, brother.
Thank you for coming out thisevening.
Before we start this podcast,let me run the commercial.
SPEAKER_00 (00:49):
Yes, sir.
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SPEAKER_02 (01:40):
All right, we're back.
We're back.
Thank you, Brother EricMohammed, for coming out this
evening.
Tonight we're talking abouttheology of time.
Theology of time part two.
Now, um, from my research andthings and learning from other
brothers, uh, theology of timewas in an audio.
(02:00):
Yes, sir.
Okay, it's a four-part audio.
SPEAKER_03 (02:05):
Actually, it may be four parts, if not five, but the
parts are comprised of severaldifferent lectures.
In other words, four partsdoesn't mean it's just four
lectures.
You know, it starts in June andgoes all the way to October,
(02:27):
from what I can remember.
So that's that's a whole lot oflectures.
SPEAKER_02 (02:32):
Okay.
Now, um, one of the brotherstold me to it to not get it on
YouTube, but it's all overYouTube, though.
The theology of time, yes, sir.
Yeah, so that have you checkedthat one out on YouTube?
Absolutely.
Okay, okay.
So would you say there's some uhyou know validity to what the
(02:52):
brother's saying?
SPEAKER_03 (02:53):
Actually, what's on YouTube is not actual video.
You know how you make a videoout of an audio, right?
All you have is a thumbnailshowing the whole the whole time
the video is playing, and you'rejust listening to audio.
Okay, that's what theology oftime is.
You know what I mean?
(03:14):
Like you can turn the audio fileinto a file that you can upload
to YouTube, and you just pick athumbnail, and that's your
video.
SPEAKER_02 (03:26):
Gotcha.
Okay.
Uh, peace, God, peace to Allah'sfive percent.
Peace, peace to the God, uh,Rasan Allah.
All right, now, um, theology attime.
Um, you know, first off, man,what I'm learning right now in
this journey I'm taking, umcertain things I didn't know.
(03:49):
Like, I didn't know how uh uhhow deep the business was in the
nation of Islam.
And I see why.
Like it has a lot to do with uhdiscipline, discipline of the
mind and body.
And um that's what I'm learning.
And and I think it's uh it'sgenius, it's genius, it's genius
(04:12):
with uh Master Farad MohammedBroad and uh uh um uh honorable
Elijah Muhammad Broad is genius.
So I just want to ask you, whatdo you think about that
statement?
SPEAKER_03 (04:24):
Genius, yes, it's emphatically true that it is
genius, it's in fact the blackman is God.
I mean, what else can you say?
The black man is God, right?
So we can we we could expectnothing less than the genius
that you are referring to, andwith the nation of Islam, we do
(04:46):
everything, we're all wise, wedo everything right and exact.
SPEAKER_02 (04:53):
Now, um now, being that it's genius, right?
The way it is uh disseminated tothe people and the way that it's
practiced, it brings out thegenius in God and all of us.
That's right.
SPEAKER_01 (05:09):
Okay, exactly right.
SPEAKER_02 (05:11):
Right.
And um, and uh I I respect theteachings on another level right
now by even just seeing certainthings, you know what I'm
saying?
Um, so now uh uh uh what wasElijah Muhammad's intention
behind delivering the theologyof time lectures in 1972.
SPEAKER_03 (05:31):
Well, I could speculate on that, but I don't
like speculating when it comesto the most honorable Elijah
Muhammad.
I don't know of any book, Idon't know of any lecture, I
don't know of any article wherethe messenger specifically or
where he specifies this is why Idid that series of lectures from
(05:56):
June to October in 1972.
SPEAKER_02 (06:02):
Okay, okay.
Uh well aikum salam, brother.
Walaikum salam, brother.
Um oh yeah, asalam alaykum,brother Eric, Mr.
Eric Mahmoud.
Um, peace to Leo the Lion, peaceto you.
Um, how does these teachings fitinto the larger mission of the
(06:23):
nation of Islam, the theology oftime?
SPEAKER_03 (06:26):
How does it fit into the actually?
The theology of time can't beseparated from the larger
mission.
The theology of time actually isthe mission, it literally is.
Uh, I'll explain it like this: the title Theology of Time. (06:42):
undefined
When you go to the definition oftheology, I always thought that
you break it down from twowords, theos and ology.
(07:06):
Ology meaning study of and theosmeaning God, and therefore,
theology means the study of God.
But when I went and got thewhite man's definition of his
word, theology, it's a whiteman's word, he defined it as not
(07:31):
the study of God, but the studyof the nature of God.
And so I learned from thatdefinition that the white man is
bearing witness that God is manand not spirit.
(07:52):
What do you mean, the nature ofGod?
The Holy Quran says that Islamis the nature of Allah.
I had always understood thosewords to mean that.
But when the white man saystheology is the study of the
(08:12):
nature of God, we're not talkingabout something mystical,
magical.
We're talking about somethingnatural, the nature of God.
Now, when you say that theologymeans the nature of God, and in
the study of the nature of God,you're studying that nature in
(08:37):
the context of time, then whatthat suggests is there is
something about the nature ofGod relative to time that deals
with scripture, the prophets,revelation.
All right, now in lesson numbertwo, we deal with the nature of
(09:02):
God, right?
In the black man, there existstwo germs, right?
One a black germ, one a browngerm.
Yaqu with his law and birthcontrol separated the black germ
and destroyed it, right?
And grafted the brown germ fromthe black man by destroying the
black germ.
After following this process for600 years, he's talking about
(09:26):
the brown germ.
Now, the germ became white andweak and was no longer the same,
right?
Also, by thinning the originalblood, it became weak and wicked
and was no longer original.
Now, this goes into another partof lesson number two, where we
(09:47):
are asked about Yaqub, tell uswhat he promised his nation he
would do, right?
That he would make a devil,grafting from his own people,
and teach the devil how to rulehis people for what six thousand
years.
So, in those two degrees oflesson number two, you deal with
(10:10):
the nature of God, the blackman, and you deal with time,
right?
There's something in the nature,the natural makeup of the black
man that has produced what wehave as a world today, meaning
(10:35):
because there are two germs inthe black man, a white man was
grafted from us from one ofthose germs, the weak and
recessive one, the wickedmaterial in us.
And that man could only rule usfor six thousand years before we
would produce another man thatwould not only destroy that man,
(10:58):
but make it impossible foranother man like him to ever be
produced from us again.
And that's why, in anotherdegree of that same lesson,
we're asked then why did Godcreate devil to show forth what
his power that he could make adevil, give the devil power to
(11:19):
rule for six thousand years, andthen come and destroy the devil
in one day without becomingvictim to the devil's
civilization.
So you have the study of thenature of God and a specific
time, right?
Tell us how many years, months,and days of devils being birthed
(11:41):
on the planet, right?
So you have the nature of God,black and brown germ, and you
have the years, months, and daysof devils being grafted on our
planet, the why to show forthhis power.
There you have the theology oftime.
SPEAKER_02 (11:59):
Oh man.
Okay.
I don't know.
Anybody heard that right there?
That was a great, great, greatbreakdown.
That was a great, greatbreakdown.
Okay, so uh, real quick, I justwant to check something.
Oh man, my speakers, uh, myphone.
Oh man.
All right, anyway.
All right.
So sorry, sorry for people um onon the audio, on Spotify, and uh
(12:23):
Apple music.
Sometimes my um my uh my mycomputer thing messes up.
Sorry about that.
We'll we'll we'll get that fixedon the next episode, which is
tomorrow.
All right, so now um that was abeautiful break, wonderful
breakdown, Kiki.
He did his thing on that oneright there.
(12:43):
All right.
So now um, how do these teachingokay?
We went to that.
Uh, what key misunderstandingsdo outsiders have about the
theology of time?
SPEAKER_03 (12:56):
That's a good one.
The misunderstanding that theyhave about the theology of time,
there's more than one aspect ofthe misunderstanding.
But I would say, in the bigpicture sense of the term, what
(13:17):
is missed is what I just wrotedown.
I even missed it, and that isthat the whole study of theology
is the reality of God, theperson, the reality of God, like
it says in the first page ofMessage to the Black Man, you
(13:40):
know, God being made like manythings other than what he really
is, because we didn't know whathe really was, and so we worship
what we thought, what our ownideas were of what he really
was, and even that is an aspectof the time because it wasn't
(14:03):
time for him to reveal what hereally was, you know.
Ever since the deportation ofthe moon, that knowledge was
kept from the public, the mosthonorable Elijah Muhammad
teaches us.
And it was not to be revealeduntil the end of the white man's
world, and so that's when MasterFarad Muhammad revealed it.
SPEAKER_01 (14:29):
Your mic is muted.
SPEAKER_03 (15:51):
He said they will shut their mouths in him, and he
he thought it meant they wouldshut our mouths in him.
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