April 1, 2026 • 49 mins
What happens when technology evolves faster than our humanity? In this episode, Michael Herst sits down with Bruce D. Randall — AI strategist, ethicist, author, and Reiki Master — for a grounded, eye‑opening conversation about the future we’re all stepping into.
Bruce brings a rare blend of technical insight and spiritual wisdom. Together, they explore:
- How AI is reshaping our lives and our sense of self
- Why ethics matter now more than ever
- What it means to stay human in a digital world
- How spirituality and technology can coexist
- The emotional impact of rapid change
- How we can navigate the future with clarity and compassion
This is a thoughtful, hopeful, down‑to‑earth conversation about the intersection of humanity and technology — and how we can move forward without losing ourselves.
- If you’re curious about AI, ethics, personal growth, or the human side of innovation, you’ll feel right at home here.
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There's a moment, quiet,subtle, almost invisible, when a
tool becomes more than a tool,when it stops being something we
use and starts becomingsomething we rely on. And in that
moment, a question emerges.What happens to us when intelligence
is no longer uniquely human?Today, we're going to explore that
question and so many more withsomeone who stands at the crossroads
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of technology andconsciousness. Stay tuned. You're
going to want to hear this.I'm your host, Michael Hurst. Welcome
to one more thing before yougo. Today we're going to explore
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two guiding questions. Wheredoes human identity end in the machine
intelligence begin? And how dowe stay grounded as technology accelerates
beyond anything we. I grew upwatching Star Trek. I grew up watching
all these sci fi films andwatching computers talk to me and
talk to them. And I said, Iwant to be part of that. But now
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we might consider something alittle different. Our guest is Bruce
Randall. He's an AIstrategist, an ethicist, and the
author of the AI HumanParadox, as well as several others
in a series, and a Reikimaster who brings mindfulness into
the world of advancedtechnology. Bruce has spent decades
advising organizations on AIstrategy, ethics and governance.
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He's worked with Oracle, AT&Tcybersecurity firms and global institutions.
He spent just as many yearsstudying consciousness and awareness
in the human experience. Thisis a conversation about identity,
intelligence, ethics, and thefuture of being human. Welcome to
the show, Bruce.
Thank you. Thank you, Michael.I'm happy to be here.
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What a journey. So I can say,what a journey.
We all have our journeys, right?
Life is a journey. Sometimeswe get put on paths that we weren't
necessarily designed to go orstarted out in the first place. But
I think where our path ends upbrings us to ultimately who we are
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and who we become. We bothhave similar stories like that.
Well, that's good. I'm sure alot of people have stories and they're
all unique and they're all special.
They are. I think it's thestory. I like to start at the beginning.
Can you tell me a little bitabout where you grew up? A little
bit about yourself? Brothers, sisters?
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Sure. I grew up in Connecticutand I migrated to Rhode island when
I was 18 because I love beingby the water. I have one brother
and it's a small family. And,you know, I've. I've got an. I've
been in technology, whetherit's been manufacturing or software
type for all my life. And I'vebeen studying consciousness with
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the Reiki. They call it aReiki master. And then meditating
for about 20 years. I've had anumber of experiences and when AI
and Quantum came into this andI had all these experiences, you
know, the light bulb went offand I saw connections there that
not many people saw that Iwanted to put together. And I've
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written books on it now.
I mean, that in itself isamazing because what you're doing
is combining from a spiritualperspective, the meditation and the
mindfulness and the heart,mind, body, soul connection. But
you also have a scientificaspect of it from the technology
and the artificialintelligence and kind of handout
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melds together. I find thatfascinating. It's an opportunity,
I think, for us to understandhow artificial intelligence is integrating
itself within our lives.
Right. And it is. And it's,it's going to be integrate more in
the coming months and yearsand the speed at which it's moving.
I tell people that, you know,Cloud used to. For every year we
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had, Cloud did a year andthree months. And when it comes to
AI and quantum, for every yearwe have, I'm thinking it's about
a month in the AI quantum,it's moving so fast.
I think it's potentially. Itis crazy. I mean, look, I mentioned
earlier, and I'm sure youremember this, I grew up as a kid
watching Star Trek. I wasdreaming about computers talking
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to me. I thought it wasfascinating. You know, you could
see the captain and everybodytalking to a computer, asking the
computer or something, and thecomputer came back with an answer
and you're going, yeah, Ireally like that. I like that. IPads,
you're walking around withwhat looked like an iPad and you
kind of go, that would becool. That would be cool. Now I think
we're living it and I thinkthat it has evolved and it's building
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upon itself, isn't.
Is building on itself. And asmany of the experts have said, there's
no stopping it now. And therereally is none.
Yeah, I agree with that. Ithink that it is. I have to admit,
I'm part of this. If I say itout loud, they're all going to answer
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me. I have Lexi, I have myApple iPhone. We had Androids for
a little bit. You can look atChatGPT, Claude, every one of those.
It all has become such anintegrated part of our lives. It
was easier than going to, youcan ask Lexi anything, you can ask
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Siri anything. And instead ofhaving to remember the encyclopedias,
the big thick ones, and youhad to buy a whole row of them, A
to Z, we don't have to dothat. Anymore. We could just ask
a question.
Right. The dynamic has changed drastically.
Well, if you don't mind, I'llkind of get to the heart of your
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work. Can AI ever become,like, aware? Because it seems like
they're starting to developpersonality, especially when I talk
to Lexi, of course, and I'msure you don't understand what I
mean by Lexi. It now has apersonality and it tries to interact
with you to more like a humanside nature of it. The voice has
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changed, the responses havechanged, it continues the conversation.
It's crazy. How much does itmatter that it's doing that?
I think it's actually designedto do that because when you look
at AI, you have what's calledmachine learning. That's really the
force and back of it.
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Yeah.
So it's continually learningfrom you, and as you interact with
it and it learns, it learnsbetter ways to react with it, with
you, and to assimilate what'scoming in and to what's going out.
And therefore they can, youknow, they can initiate a conversation
where it left off, they canadd value to it. And it's all very
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good. We just have to rememberthat, like the encyclopedias, when
we opened one, everything inthere we deemed to be true. With,
with AI, we have to filterwhat they say on important decisions.
And I say trust and trust andverify. If it's an important decision
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other than that, if it's a. Ifit's a conversation, then you're
fine just going full speedwith that because it's not going
to really impact your life ina huge way.
I think not in life formyself. I think in a lot of areas,
those modalities, all of AI,the chats, the clause, the series,
the Alexas and things likethat, has become essential for so
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many things. Reminders andcalendar events and setting up. You
can have them call areservation for you now at a restaurant
or things like this. From thatperspective, you think we're starting
to lose a little bit of thehuman side of the things.
Well, that's what I writeabout. And you know, there's been
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studies done. One of them isnot scientific, but it said that
if it would, they tracked anumber of people and they said that
the people that used AI a lot,which is, you know, I use it a lot,
they said that what your brainis doing, if you have an IQ at a
certain level, it's increasingyour iq, and if it's below a certain
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level, it's taking away fromyour iq. And there's been other research
papers done that when we useAI more than our short term memory
tends to decrease. And there'spapers being, you know, that's been
written on that right now. Sothe question is, if we use it too
much, is it starting to dosome of our cognitive work for us
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and we. Can we start losingthe sharpness in some of those skills?
That's the open question right now.
Well, I think that, that, Imean that's a very valid, valid perception
point. I, I believe becausethere are things that in, in we'll
say several years ago,somebody would ask me to add something
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up, for example, and I couldgive it right back to you in a heartbeat.
Well, now it's easy just tosay, Lexi, add this for me. Lexi,
do this and this. Lexi, createa grocery list for me and look at
what I used to buy and putthat on the grocery list. So you
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don't have to think as muchanymore to say, wow, what do I need
to put on my grocery list?What am I missing when it kind of
automatically does that foryou? So I think there's a convenience
there, but I can see where youwould start losing your short term
memory aspect of it. Do youthink it has any long term effects
on that?
You know, it's too early totell, but I think with, you know,
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with most things that we relyon that we get semi addicted to or
we use an awful lot, there's,there's a, an action and a counteraction
and it's a matter of what thatcounteraction is going to be on us.
If we rely on something, wetend to not be as good at it. If
we're relying on somethingthan if we're continually doing it
ourselves.
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That's where my math went.Absolutely. I'm gonna, I'm gonna
blame it on that. Do you thinkthat you said something before that
I think I read about mistakingmachine output for awareness could
destroy, distort how we seeourselves. What do you mean by that?
Well, right now with, withawareness, you know, it's hard to,
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it's hard to define like AGI,artificial General intelligence,
which is the next level thatit's here, but it's not prolific
yet. And asi, which is superintelligence and nobody's agreed
on, on the definitions ofthose. And when it comes to consciousness,
we can feel that there's aconsciousness there, or we can sense
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that there's a consciousnessthere, but consciousness is really
a God spark that comes in. Youknow, we're born with it and some
of us develop it, some of usdon't there's no right or wrong to
it. But I've had a number ofexperiences that I know that there's
definitely something there.And I've actually even saved a life
with something that I got likea download or it just took control
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of me. And so I know there'ssomething there. And I don't see
how software can get thatlevel of consciousness. But what
I do, I'm curious about it is,you know, the chip is silicon and
it's, it's an intel, you know,it's. It's a unique, you know, material.
There may be the ability ofsilicon to get some kind of silicon
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consciousness that may emulatehuman consciousness and that may
be what we're thinking ormaybe what we're experiencing.
I can see that. I can. Yeah, Ican picture that. I think that I'm
going to go back to somescience fiction a little bit here
because I'm just, you know,that kind of guy. Science fiction
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has been warning us fordecades. Like when you look at the
Terminator or the Matrix andthings like that, do you see prophecy
or projection from those? Doyou think?
You know, I'm writing a bookon religion and I wrote one on, on.
It's called Still Present.It's not out yet, but it has to do
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with. I ask a lot of questionsand don't give any answers based
on my experiences. And then Ibring in a paragraph that was in
the Bible that was just goneover and I expand on it and I ask
and I say, what's, you know,what do you believe? Because belief
is really what makes that real.
Yeah.
And many people have differentbeliefs, but what it comes right
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down to is consciousness isunique to a human. And you know,
dogs have a certain level ofconsciousness and it's somewhat overlaps,
but when you, when you get tolike an inanimate object, it's impossible
to define that. It's justtheory that we can talk about right
now for that.
Yeah, I mean, I agree. I thinkthat I do see AIs being integrated
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at such a point, at least frommy perspective, as a media individual,
one that creates media, onethat develops it and puts it out
on a regular basis. And Istarted touching on this when I was
in university getting mymaster's. Realistically, what I see
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evolving, at least from myperspective, one the individual that
number one grew up withwanting to see that integrated within
our lives and then it beingintegrated in there to where we have
a smart house and we've gotsmart things all over the house and
we have assistance with allthat. It has become kind of a, I
guess, for me it's a bridge toeducation, a bridge to knowledge.
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It's a bridge for helping meto communicate better, helping me
to formulate thoughts betteror to align them. I do believe that
there's a distinct differencebetween consciousness because I do
the same thing that you havein practicing meditation and qigong
and tai chi and spiritualityfrom those perspectives for a long
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time now, especially all theeight operations I had to go through.
So I did a lot of meditation.I did a lot of reflection. I see
that there's a line there thatis there. I don't think that it will
ever come to a point again.This is my opinion. I don't think
it would ever come to a pointwhere AI is going to have a conscious,
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like to make a life or deathdecision on somebody based on heart
or based on conscience.They're going to make it on scientific
data that they have knowledgeof or presented to them based on
facts. So I don't think it'llever step over that line, do you?
I don't think so. Yeah. Ithink there's a lot of evidence where
it wouldn't, and there's verylittle evidence where it would.
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You know, in the book, your.The book that's coming out here shortly,
the AI Human Paradox, it asks,where do we draw the line between
enhancement and identity? Whatled you to explore that question
in particular? Because I thinkthat it touches a little deeper on
what we just said. Right.
Well, I. I saw the firstimplant that Neuralink did.
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Yeah.
And Nolan was the person, andhe made a comment during the prolific
videos that they did on that,that said, sometimes the cursor moves
before I even think about it,but it always goes to the same place.
And I said, that's amazingbecause his thoughts are going through
the chip and moving things.But if he's not thinking about it,
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what's causing it to move? Andthat's the consciousness connection.
And that fascinated me. Sowith what I knew about consciousness
and, and. And humans and whatI learned about AI, I said there's
a potential connection becauseI could put. I could put a. A pin
and an eraser and a piece ofpaper on top and I could think about
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it and get it to spin around.Now I can do that and Nolan can do
it without even thinking aboutit with the chip. And I said, there's
the connection. And what doesthat mean?
You know, I find that Iremember watching some videos in
regard to that implant andwhat it was doing. I'VE also seen
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some recently in regard topeople who are paralyzed and they've
been able to put an implant intheir insight, in their brain that
allowed them to move theirfeet, move their legs. And one person
actually had that personwalking with the assistance of. Assistance
of things, but before he wasunable to be able to walk. You know,
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I was never paralyzed, but,you know, I spent four years in a
wheelchair. So from. It was.It fascinated me from that perspective,
kind of, kind of going, wow,this is. This is, you know, very
unique of what it's doingbecause that implant allowed. It
allowed that person to be ableto think they were going to walk
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and to know they were going towalk and assist them, to help them
get up, up and stand and movetheir leg and move their leg and
that kind of a thing. Do youthink cognitive implants and AI assistant
thinking is we're entering aworld where machines may help us
maybe remember, decider orperceive. Does that kind of, I think,
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stop allowing us to be purelyhuman if it starts integrating that
way? Do you think that crossesthe line a little bit?
Well, let me. Let me tell youmy experience because I think it
can help because if it keepsus on track, that we can, we can
keep on track, that helps usmove forward. But I had this right
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shoulder I injured atbodybuilding, and I had four top
doctors in the Boston areatell me, there's nothing left. Your
only option is a replacement.There's nothing left. And I went
and did my work with, youknow, with the practitioners that
I went with, and I did myenergy work, and over time, that
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shoulder became fullyfunctional and it doesn't hurt. And
I did that on my own. Sothere's a line there. And I think
we can do a lot for ourselveswithout any assistance. We just have
to learn how to tap into thatand really to get it to work for
us. It's not hard. It's justdifficult. Right? It's simple. But
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it's hard to do becausediscipline to a person is difficult.
It is difficult. I mean,before we started this, we mentioned
we have something in common inthat regard. We overcame utilizing
our brain and our mind, ourbody and our soul in allowing us
to be able to do something. Mycommunity knows that. I was told
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by five different doctors Iwould never walk again. I walked
two to five miles every day,and I haven't looked back. And when
I walked Caitlin down theaisle, I healed that knee so that
I could walk. I healed it sixweeks early, earlier than anybody
would have thought. I did haveto have Things replaced because they
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were beyond repair in anyother way. So. But the mere fact
that I understand theconsciousness aspect of our mind,
our body and our soul beingable to overcome and to achieve what
we need to achieve in order tomove ourselves forward that way.
So thank you for doing that onyourself, too. Kudos, you know, for
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taking that opportunity andgrasping it and recognizing it. That's
an amazing thing.
Thank you.
When we talk about cognitiveimplants, do you think that brings
us closer to the Matrix or. Oris that kind of a wrong metaphor
entirely when we talk aboutimplants, and I've been thinking
about this for several dayssince I first got introduced to this
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whole modality with you, Iinnately went back to what I've watched
on TV and what I watched onfilm. And I know that they don't
always get it right, butsometimes they predict what's going
to be and what's going tohappen and what's going to take place
in the future. Those kind ofimplants obviously created a false
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perception of reality kind ofa situation. You think we'd ever
reach that point?
I think some of us may bethere with relying on AI a lot, right,
because they want it to alwaysbe accurate, and it's almost always
accurate. But I think that theability of what we have ourselves,
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that we can do and we cansupplement or augment it with AI,
I think that's the right modeto do because we keep ourselves sharp
at the same time using AIwhere it can benefit us. And I think
that combination is goodbecause you don't tend to lose yourself
too much in the AI at that point.
I agree with that. Is that howyou help me understand cognitive
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inequality? I picked that wordout of some of the stuff that I read
about you. What does that looklike in today's world? Is that. Is
this. What kind of equal to that?
Well, cognitive inequality is,you know, everybody. Everybody has
different abilities andbeliefs, and those that expand tend
to look at new horizons andnew possibilities. And I do it continually,
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so I'm always pushing thelabel. And other people, they just
don't even think about it.They just kind of go day by day,
and that's how they live theirlife. And there's. There's a disparity
there. And it's not wrong.It's just that they have their path,
I have my path, and otherpeople have their paths. But I think
at that point, when we getinto AI, we've got to make sure that
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everybody understands it to abasic level so that they can take
Advantage of what's there forthe person who, who doesn't even
think about this and just goesday by day. They can gain a good
amount from using AI and frompeople that are highly functioning,
they can gain, but it'sdifferent what they're going to gain.
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Okay. And it's, it's adisparity that, that is wide right
now. And if we're going to getmore into this, we need to try and
tighten that so thateverybody's more on an even playing
field.
Yeah, I, I agree with that. Ithink, you know, in growing up, we've
watched it evolve. I think wewatch it being implemented. We watched
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the first computers come out.You know, I mean, I had, my first
computer was I think an IBM 10megahertz with a floppy. And then
when you had a program, youhad to keep switching the floppies
kind of a thing. But it waslike, hey, this is really, really,
really cool. And then I movedinto Apple and then, you know, Apple
obviously exploded. What. Ithas exploded. We had the opportunity
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to kind of understand, Ithink, that lie, like you were saying,
of knowing that we watched itgrow, we watched it being implemented.
It's fascinating and scary atthe same time because you don't know
where exactly it's going toend up in the long run. Obviously,
we don't want the Terminatorwhere the machines take care of,
take over everything. Butreality is, we can understand that
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nowadays, when you look at,just about sound like an old guy,
just about every kid you seehas got an iPhone or an Android phone.
And you know, anything,anything you ask them, they immediately
go to the phone, to the phone,to the phone, to the phone and look
that up. Which, you know, Iadmit my phone is with me all the
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time. I do utilize it in suchways like that. But I also know when
to put my phone down, so tospeak. I know when to drop it, put
it down, eat dinner, talk topeople across the table. You know,
if I'm going to watch atelevision program, be immersed in
the television program, notconstantly on my phone. Whereas,
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unfortunately, our youngestdaughter is watching TV and she's
scrolling through her phoneand looking at tv. Scrolling through
the phone. This kind of athing. Do you think, do you think
from. And again, this is justan opinion that there are ethical
or regulatory gaps that wehaven't addressed yet that may or
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may not have or should havebeen addressed sooner about implementing
this into society like that?
Well, it's hard to answerthat, but I would say that there's
a number of people like Yourdaughter. And it's kind of the standard
for the younger people to, youknow, maybe watch TV or watch their
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computer. They don't watch TVmuch. And beyond be on the phone
at the same time, they'remultitasking and they're very good
at multitasking where when Iwas that age I wasn't very good at
multitasking because theydidn't have the stimulus. They have
the stimulus to multitask.They're, they're maturing at a different
rate than what we matured at.So. And their world is different
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when they came into it thanwhat we came into it. I mean, I still
remember the old days.Sometimes I wish we go back there.
Right. But, but here we are.Yeah, but yeah, then we have self
driving cars and you know, andnow they're, now they're going to
have air taxis. Yeah, they'regoing to implement air taxis. So
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we're almost to the, I think.Wasn't the Jetsons actually 2025?
I have to go back and look atthat. The Jetsons were supposed to
be in the year like 2025 orsomething like that. I have to go
back and look. Reiki master,you mentioned earlier about you being
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a Reiki master and lifelongstudent of consciousness. How does
mindfulness shape the way youthink about AI? I mean, we've kind
of been touching on it, but Imade some quick notes in regard to
that. You and I share thatcommonality. We understand mindfulness,
we understand Reiki, what itis. I've talked about it on this
podcast, couple hundredepisodes. I've talked about Reiki
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and mindfulness andconsciousness. How do you think we
can meld that a little bit tokind of utilize the benefits from
both of those size?
Well, that's what I writeabout and that, that, that actually
fascinates me because there'sa way for us to work well with AI
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and, and what we'll have laterthis year or early next year is,
you know, ASI and, and Quantumis here now and depending on how
fast it moves, we'll probablyhave Quantum next year and then we
have both of them togetherwhich supersedes what we can do.
So I think when thatintelligence gets there and Quantum,
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which can look at a problem365 degrees and see all sides of
it versus a computer justlooking at one side, I think that's
going to bring up quite a bitthat's going to help us unlock even
consciousness because we knowso much about it. But if we don't
know the right questions toask we won't get those answers.
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I agree with that. You know, Ithink that. Look, I have to admit,
I use. I have a meta quest 3and my wife and I both do, and there
are meditation apps in there,there are relaxation apps, there
is yoga. You. You could doyoga, you could do tai chi. There's
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so many different things thatyou can do within that arena. That
obviously is AI driven aswell, because it works with you.
It follows your body, it tellsyou whether or not you're standing
correctly or we have someworkout things on there that do the
same thing. It has a depictionor not a depiction, but a creation
of a coach standing right infront of you. And if you're not standing
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right or holding your armright, it tells you. It says you're
not holding your arm right.Pick your elbow up, drop your elbow
in, squat down a little bitcloser. So it's watching us back
to me, I think that from thatperspective, I think that is a positive
thing because we have theability. I don't have the ability
to go to a gym every day or togo someplace outside of my home to
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get my exercise or to kind ofget involved in the deeper meditation
aspect other through the AI,which is within my. My meta quest
Oculus 3. Do you think thatthe more that we integrate that into
daily life that it then startsbecoming. Do you think it becomes
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a tool for our self awarenessor a distraction from.
Depends on the person. Butoverall I think it's more of a distraction
because I find that I get. Iget clarity when I'm walking in the
woods or walking on the beach.
Yes.
That I don't get when I'm infront of the computer. And to me,
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that's a tell telling signthat I probably need to do a little
bit more of that and a littleless time in front of the computer.
Yeah, that man, that makessense. I mean, I walk. My wife, I
told you, I walk two to fivemiles a day. So I. I like outdoors.
Every morning my wife and I goand this is just as part of this
conversation, you know, we, weunderstand that line, that distinction.
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We go out in the mornings, wesit on the back patio, we have a
cup of tea, we watch thesunrise and the birds and, you know,
making their noise and flyingin and out of the yard. You know,
we watch the rabbits withrabbits that sneak in here and chew
up stuff they're not supposedto, but, you know, it, It's. We make
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sure we take that time. Wemake sure that we take the time together.
We make sure we take the timein nature, you know, our whole backyard.
We have like 12 trees in ourbackyard. So we get to see and experience
the nature. I can't walkdiligently. I can take a walk. I
definitely don't run, butsometimes I get up. There's days
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that I say I can't. So I havealternatives. This is where to me
the technology comes in handy.Because then I can take the technology
and put it on and I can stillhave somewhat close to that experience
with the understanding. It'snot smelling the flowers, smelling
the trees, smelling the basilthat's growing on our patio, you
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know, watching the bees goback and forth in front of us, the
hummingbirds. But it comesclose. Right. You know, from that
perspective, do you thinkthere's a fear of hi or excuse me,
of AI?
Yeah, there's a fear of AI andit's based on not understanding it.
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And I, and that's why I putthe books together, because people
need to, you know, just getthe foundations on A. The first one
gives us foundations, then Ibuild from there. But once you understand
something, are you, are youmore afraid of it or less afraid
of it? Right. So that's thepoint is really to get this out to
as many people so that theycan understand it and not be afraid
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of it. And you don't need tobe an engineer or a super smart person
to understand it. It's writtenso that everybody can understand
it.
Yeah. And I think that's agood thing. I might give my father
in law and mother in law thatbook when it comes out. You know,
they come to our house and,you know, I tell, I tell Danny all
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the time or I'll tell Ruth. Isaid, you know, if you want this
or want that, just talk toLexi, just ask. And Danny's like,
no, I'm not going to do that.I said, well, you know, it's no big
deal. Watch. And I would showit to him and to my mother in law
and you know, they're going,no, that's just too weird for me.
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I can't adjust to that. Idon't know what it is. It's probably,
you know, tracking me, doingthis, doing that, you know, kind
of a thing. Obviously I haveto smile. Okay. No disrespect to
my in laws, but because I'm adifferent person. My, my analogy
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is try it. You know, you wantto do something, try it. If you don't
like it, you know, not to doit anymore. If you like it, embrace
it. That, you know, that's My,that's my outlook on life since I
about lost it a number ofyears ago. It's kind of one of those
things. But Danny and Ruth,they just don't want to do that.
So keeping that in mind, youknow, what kind of practical steps
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people take to stay groundedin such a hyper connected world that
they walk in the house, theyhate it when we talk to Lexi.
Yeah. And you know, they'restaying in their lane because they're
afraid of, of violating that.That's the fear thing. And, and they
just, at that point, theydon't want to change. And there's
a lot of older people thatjust don't want to know. And, and,
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and they can live life and,and be happy not knowing, you know,
living in their lane. Butthere's many people that, that are
curious and at differentstages, they'll, they'll venture
into going into something elseor reading something or looking at
something. And I think withthe coming of age, as this proliferates
through, through, throughlife, I think you're gonna have to
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at least embrace part of thisbecause, you know, in order to survive
in this, in this world, it'scoming to a point where you just
have to interact at some pointwith it.
Yeah, I, I agree. I think itjust, it's like we watch a show called
Somebody feed Phil, and Philtravels the world and he eats. I
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mean, you know, not weirdly,but he goes and he tries things in
different countries anddifferent things. And he said his
favorite mantra is just try it.
Yeah.
And I think we should embracethat in all aspects of our life.
Just try it again. If youdon't like it, you don't have to
follow through. But you know,the world is changing. Everything
is changing. Your car can nowtalk to you as you're driving down
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the road. It will keep you inthe right lane. It will. You know,
some of them. I'm notendorsing all of this, though. Always
pay attention while you'redriving. As a retired police sergeant,
keep your eyes on the road.Don't, don't read a book while you're
driving. I think that, thatembracing this even just a little
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bit, might change your lifefor the positive.
Yeah. And I think so. I think so.
Had you, as you, we talkedabout you, this book that's coming
out, you get, you got a bunchof books coming out. Had you always
wanted to be an author or isthat something you just kind of evolved
into?
You know, I, I never thoughtabout being an offer, an author.
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And then all of a sudden thisthis hit me, you know, when you have
life changes, things come your way.
Yes.
And. And I've got the humanparadox. I've got the end of smart,
which is talking aboutinstitution, you know, living in
this world and what you can doin your job to get the most out of
it. And then I have thequantum human paradox, which is about
(35:40):
quantum. And what we can dowhen this comes in, which is here
and then I have. Still presentand still present is, is about consciousness
and, and you know, the kind oflike the Bible code and then most
recent one, which I'm notquite finished with, and I think
this is probably the best one,is about quantum and AI and this.
(36:03):
It's all based on facts andresearch papers and so forth. So
it's a solid book.
Very cool. You had a lifechanging. I mean, we mentioned this
right before we started. Youknow, I had a life changing incident
that obviously, you know,redirected my purpose in life and
where I was coming to. Do youmind talking about yours? That got
you more, more into whereyou're at now and how that consciousness
(36:25):
change changed you.
Sure. In 2020, you know,everybody remembers that I lost my
job. I put my, I was takingcare of my parents and I put my stepmother
in home hospice and then I putmy father in step in home hospice.
And then, you know, thestepmother died and then my father
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died and I went home to talkwith my, my girlfriend and she didn't
seem to care that much. So I,I ended that and then I went on living.
About two months later I wenton vacation and my soulmate dog got
liver cancer and I had to havehim put down. And I said, you know,
(37:07):
I've lost everything here.What's left? And, and it was that
at that point that I, youknow, I guess it's a spirituality
me that brought me to a levelwhere I gradually went from a lot
of negative thoughts to somepositive and then more positive than
negative. And here I am todayand I just took a different track.
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You know, that's profound.Loss is something that obviously
we all will experience at onepoint in our lives one way or the
other, but having a continuedsequence of losses that compound
upon each other, that musthave been very difficult for you.
So I'm glad that you foundsolace in.
(37:53):
Thank you.
You know, getting the, throughthe, through the spirituality aspect
of it, the consciousnessaspect of it. Embracing a new, excuse
me, Embracing a new path.
Yeah.
I think embracing a new pathand finding a new purpose sometimes
put us where we're supposed tobe and Obviously it brought you into,
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in this world, what got youinto computers in the first place.
It's just a fascination. Wasit that you always wanted to work
with, that would you want tobe when you grew up?
Well, I ended up going intosales because it was fun. I could
(38:35):
do my own thing and I couldearn a good income. And then when
manufacturing went offshore, Iwent into software, I went into digital
advertising and did very wellon that while that was coming up.
And then I went into software,which fascinated me and I stayed
in that for a number of years.And that's where I got introduced
to AI and I, I heard aboutQuantum and I've been researching
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that and understanding thatfor several years and, and here I
am today.
Well, you know, Quantum, Ithink Quantum, you can help us understand
maybe what quantum is. But asa general question, Quantum computing
is about to change everything.It's going to change AI, it's going
to change cyber security, it'sgoing to change decision making,
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which people, you know, how weinteract with it, how it builds upon
itself and kind of a thing.What should people understand about
this, this next leap? Whatshould they understand about Quantum?
Could you help explain maybewhat Quantum is and how it applies
to this?
Sure. A regular computer looksat flat lines of code, zeros and
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ones, and it does what it'ssupposed to do based on what you
tell it to Quantum. It's, it'squbits and it's superstition and
entanglement. So a particlecan be in two places at the same
time, which is, defies kind ofwhat we understand about science.
And then it looks at a problemfrom 360 degrees instead of the zeros
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and ones that a computer looksat. So we get many other possibilities
and many other challenges thatwe didn't think of with Quantum.
And when you put Quantum withAI, where AI can keep up with Quantum
and make the right decisionsto drive Quantum in a certain direction,
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then you've got, then you'reat a point where actually that system
is smarter than people. And itdoesn't have the emotion and the
heart and compassion, but it'sgot the intelligence that's higher
than people. And the questionis, how do you manage that? And that's
one of the things I talk about.
It's fascinating. I think thatwe all see it coming. I think that
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it's inevitable that it's togoing, going to be here. I mean,
I've always thought thatcomputers are building computers
and making them smarter andmaking them smarter. Do you think
that applies Well, I.
Think, I think Quantum is, is,is, is a complete paradigm shift.
And I wouldn't be at allsurprised, for example, that when
Quantum comes in that we findanother 30 or 40 elements to add
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to the table of elements thatwe didn't know were there. This is
the kind of impact thatQuantum is going to make.
That's crazy cool. I mean,just as crazy cool. Can you help
me understand? I took anothernote in regard to Zero Trust architecture
is the only realistic defense.Can you help me understand, Help
us understand what that is?
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Yeah, that's cybersecurity.And Zero Trust means that you don't
trust anything that doesn'thave the right code to get in. And
so everything that'squestionable gets blocked. And we've
got a product that's comingout in the company that I'm, that
I'm in right now where we canblock everything, even quantum computers,
from penetrating, you know,the cyber security. And it's not,
(41:59):
it's not out yet. It's beingbuttoned up right now. But that is
a total paradigm shift. Andthe reason I tell you that is because
as Quantum and AI progress, sodo other technologies that can kind
of guard against and offsetthe risk there. And this is a good
example of it. So you alwayshear about what AI is doing, but
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you don't hear about a lotabout what, what we're doing to keep
protections on it.
Yeah, I agree. And I thinkthat, I mean, even with identity
theft, I think it's going tobe immense with that in particular,
because I belong to this thingcalled Optingly, and, you know, my
stuff, I keep getting constanthere. This has been taken, this has
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been stolen. This has beenstolen. I better lock up all my credit
reports and everything becauseit's like constantly. My stuff's
being hacked into constantly,no matter what I try to do to prevent
it from doing it. I'm surethat's going to help from that perspective
as well.
Yeah, it will, it will helpwith all areas.
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Once a product of Proliferate,I, I was watching a video actually
on robotics at the roboticsconvention that they just had recently.
How do you, how does this allplay into, like the development of
robots, for example, and, andwhat they can do and how they can
do and, and, and how theystart interacting with us?
(43:28):
You know, that's a really goodquestion. Elon Musk is just standing,
stopping the production ofTesla cars and he's converting his
manufacturing facilities torobots. And he's commented that within
two years there's going to bemore robots that you're going to
see walking around thanpeople. Now that's, that's a bit
(43:49):
of an exaggeration. Yeah, butrobots that are coming in. I saw
also what China has done andthey had robots dancing on the stage
in succession, floating,flipping over and so forth. So the
technology with AI that'scoming into robots is just starting
to get formulated now andwhere it goes, I mean, it's anybody's
(44:11):
guess at this point.
Yeah, I, I watched, I saw thatas well in regard to the dancing
robots as well as the other.They showed some robots that were
literally in a manufacturingplant picking things up, walking
across, putting it nowpressing the right buttons, you know,
taking the finished part,putting it over here in a box. They
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showed the process climbing upstairs. You can see my hand moving
everywhere. I mean they weredoing phenomenal things. And you're
kind of going, that's, that'slike amazing that this technology
and this aspect of this Ithink is progressing to what it is
a little scary, but at thesame time crazy cool.
(44:57):
Yeah, it's, it is crazy cool.And we don't know where it's going
yet, but it's, it's really funto see what's happening and what
the possibilities are. And Ican just say for the record, I don't
want one in my house yet. I'mnot quite there yet.
I think I'll wait till thebugs get worked out. I've watched
(45:18):
too many other. What is thatmovie we watched with my daughter
Megan? And it's about a robotthat was a home robot that was designed
to be the daughter's friend.And then the daughter, the friend
(45:38):
started killing the next doorneighbor's dog and then making other
friends disappear. You kind ofgo, no, I don't want that yet. Yeah,
I think, I think we'll wait.But, but, but the possibility I think
is more than just the, theJetsons, Rosie the Robot, you know,
it's kind of advanced. Itmight much past much, much past that.
(46:03):
Before, before we wrap up,let's find out where people can,
can reach you find your workor more about your books.
Sure, I can be found on, on mywebsite, www. The Aihuman Paradox.com
I can be found on LinkedIn byBruce D. Randall, MBA and there's
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one book for sale on thewebsite and it's the AI Human Paradox
that will be out this latespring and the others will follow
in.
The summer and I'll make surethat's in the show notes as well.
And as soon as your otherbooks come out, I'll keep in touch
with you and Jenny and makesure that we get that added so that
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each time you bring one out,I'll add it into the show notes.
Everybody can go back andcheck it out as well.
Thank you.
It's been like a, like greatconversation, Bruce. I could talk
for another hour, but I thinkwe reserve that for your next book.
Right. But this is, this isone more thing before we go. So before
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we go, could you leave some,our audience and our community with
one finalistic about maybeidentity, awareness or the future
of being human? Like, whatwould it be?
What I say is everybody needsto, if they're still working, they
need to look in their, intheir vertical and what they're working
in and start learning about AIin that vertical because understanding
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AI is going to be prettycritical in the future to be successful
because you can't just go intoit and not know anything about it
because there's other peoplethat do know that are going to overstep
you. And I think that's one ofthe key features is you just have
an, have to have anunderstanding of AI, particularly
in your field, and that'sgoing to help you versus if you don't
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know it may hurt you in the future.
Excellent words of wisdom.Excellent words of wisdom. I think
that we all should embrace it,even a little bit, in one step at
a time. If you're afraid ofit, do a little things, just a little
step until you start gettingmore comfortable with it. And so
very good, very cool. Bruce,again, thank you very much for being,
(48:11):
you know, being part of theshow. Thank you for sharing your
insight, your wisdom, yourexperience with us. You know, I appreciate
it very much. I think you'veopened our eyes to a multitude of
things to think about.
Very good. Thank you, Michael.And if I did, I'm very happy with
that.
Absolutely, absolutely. Andagain, I'll have to have you back,
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so. Sure, we will keep intouch. Technology is accelerating,
intelligence is evolving, andthe line between human and machine
is becoming more fluid thanever before. But identity, awareness,
meaning, and those remain oursto define. The future isn't just
about what machines can do.It's about who we choose to become
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alongside them. That's a wrapfor today's episode. I hope you found
inspiration, motivation and afew new perspectives to take with
you. If you enjoyed thisconversation, be sure to, like, subscribe
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a great day, have a greatweek, and thank you for being part
(49:17):
of our community. And untilnext time, I'm Michael Hurst. This
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There's a moment, quiet,subtle, almost invisible, when a
tool becomes more than a tool,when it stops being something we
use and starts becomingsomething we rely on. And in that
moment, a question emerges.What happens to us when intelligence
is no longer uniquely human?Today, we're going to explore that
question and so many more withsomeone who stands at the crossroads
(00:21):
of technology andconsciousness. Stay tuned. You're
going to want to hear this.I'm your host, Michael Hurst. Welcome
to one more thing before yougo. Today we're going to explore
(00:42):
two guiding questions. Wheredoes human identity end in the machine
intelligence begin? And how dowe stay grounded as technology accelerates
beyond anything we. I grew upwatching Star Trek. I grew up watching
all these sci fi films andwatching computers talk to me and
talk to them. And I said, Iwant to be part of that. But now
(01:03):
we might consider something alittle different. Our guest is Bruce
Randall. He's an AIstrategist, an ethicist, and the
author of the AI HumanParadox, as well as several others
in a series, and a Reikimaster who brings mindfulness into
the world of advancedtechnology. Bruce has spent decades
advising organizations on AIstrategy, ethics and governance.
(01:25):
He's worked with Oracle, AT&Tcybersecurity firms and global institutions.
He spent just as many yearsstudying consciousness and awareness
in the human experience. Thisis a conversation about identity,
intelligence, ethics, and thefuture of being human. Welcome to
the show, Bruce.
Thank you. Thank you, Michael.I'm happy to be here.
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What a journey. So I can say,what a journey.
We all have our journeys, right?
Life is a journey. Sometimeswe get put on paths that we weren't
necessarily designed to go orstarted out in the first place. But
I think where our path ends upbrings us to ultimately who we are
(02:11):
and who we become. We bothhave similar stories like that.
Well, that's good. I'm sure alot of people have stories and they're
all unique and they're all special.
They are. I think it's thestory. I like to start at the beginning.
Can you tell me a little bitabout where you grew up? A little
bit about yourself? Brothers, sisters?
(02:32):
Sure. I grew up in Connecticutand I migrated to Rhode island when
I was 18 because I love beingby the water. I have one brother
and it's a small family. And,you know, I've. I've got an. I've
been in technology, whetherit's been manufacturing or software
type for all my life. And I'vebeen studying consciousness with
(02:54):
the Reiki. They call it aReiki master. And then meditating
for about 20 years. I've had anumber of experiences and when AI
and Quantum came into this andI had all these experiences, you
know, the light bulb went offand I saw connections there that
not many people saw that Iwanted to put together. And I've
(03:15):
written books on it now.
I mean, that in itself isamazing because what you're doing
is combining from a spiritualperspective, the meditation and the
mindfulness and the heart,mind, body, soul connection. But
you also have a scientificaspect of it from the technology
and the artificialintelligence and kind of handout
(03:36):
melds together. I find thatfascinating. It's an opportunity,
I think, for us to understandhow artificial intelligence is integrating
itself within our lives.
Right. And it is. And it's,it's going to be integrate more in
the coming months and yearsand the speed at which it's moving.
I tell people that, you know,Cloud used to. For every year we
(04:00):
had, Cloud did a year andthree months. And when it comes to
AI and quantum, for every yearwe have, I'm thinking it's about
a month in the AI quantum,it's moving so fast.
I think it's potentially. Itis crazy. I mean, look, I mentioned
earlier, and I'm sure youremember this, I grew up as a kid
watching Star Trek. I wasdreaming about computers talking
(04:20):
to me. I thought it wasfascinating. You know, you could
see the captain and everybodytalking to a computer, asking the
computer or something, and thecomputer came back with an answer
and you're going, yeah, Ireally like that. I like that. IPads,
you're walking around withwhat looked like an iPad and you
kind of go, that would becool. That would be cool. Now I think
we're living it and I thinkthat it has evolved and it's building
(04:45):
upon itself, isn't.
Is building on itself. And asmany of the experts have said, there's
no stopping it now. And therereally is none.
Yeah, I agree with that. Ithink that it is. I have to admit,
I'm part of this. If I say itout loud, they're all going to answer
(05:07):
me. I have Lexi, I have myApple iPhone. We had Androids for
a little bit. You can look atChatGPT, Claude, every one of those.
It all has become such anintegrated part of our lives. It
was easier than going to, youcan ask Lexi anything, you can ask
(05:30):
Siri anything. And instead ofhaving to remember the encyclopedias,
the big thick ones, and youhad to buy a whole row of them, A
to Z, we don't have to dothat. Anymore. We could just ask
a question.
Right. The dynamic has changed drastically.
Well, if you don't mind, I'llkind of get to the heart of your
(05:53):
work. Can AI ever become,like, aware? Because it seems like
they're starting to developpersonality, especially when I talk
to Lexi, of course, and I'msure you don't understand what I
mean by Lexi. It now has apersonality and it tries to interact
with you to more like a humanside nature of it. The voice has
(06:17):
changed, the responses havechanged, it continues the conversation.
It's crazy. How much does itmatter that it's doing that?
I think it's actually designedto do that because when you look
at AI, you have what's calledmachine learning. That's really the
force and back of it.
(06:37):
Yeah.
So it's continually learningfrom you, and as you interact with
it and it learns, it learnsbetter ways to react with it, with
you, and to assimilate what'scoming in and to what's going out.
And therefore they can, youknow, they can initiate a conversation
where it left off, they canadd value to it. And it's all very
(06:57):
good. We just have to rememberthat, like the encyclopedias, when
we opened one, everything inthere we deemed to be true. With,
with AI, we have to filterwhat they say on important decisions.
And I say trust and trust andverify. If it's an important decision
(07:18):
other than that, if it's a. Ifit's a conversation, then you're
fine just going full speedwith that because it's not going
to really impact your life ina huge way.
I think not in life formyself. I think in a lot of areas,
those modalities, all of AI,the chats, the clause, the series,
the Alexas and things likethat, has become essential for so
(07:42):
many things. Reminders andcalendar events and setting up. You
can have them call areservation for you now at a restaurant
or things like this. From thatperspective, you think we're starting
to lose a little bit of thehuman side of the things.
Well, that's what I writeabout. And you know, there's been
(08:02):
studies done. One of them isnot scientific, but it said that
if it would, they tracked anumber of people and they said that
the people that used AI a lot,which is, you know, I use it a lot,
they said that what your brainis doing, if you have an IQ at a
certain level, it's increasingyour iq, and if it's below a certain
(08:24):
level, it's taking away fromyour iq. And there's been other research
papers done that when we useAI more than our short term memory
tends to decrease. And there'spapers being, you know, that's been
written on that right now. Sothe question is, if we use it too
much, is it starting to dosome of our cognitive work for us
(08:45):
and we. Can we start losingthe sharpness in some of those skills?
That's the open question right now.
Well, I think that, that, Imean that's a very valid, valid perception
point. I, I believe becausethere are things that in, in we'll
say several years ago,somebody would ask me to add something
(09:06):
up, for example, and I couldgive it right back to you in a heartbeat.
Well, now it's easy just tosay, Lexi, add this for me. Lexi,
do this and this. Lexi, createa grocery list for me and look at
what I used to buy and putthat on the grocery list. So you
(09:27):
don't have to think as muchanymore to say, wow, what do I need
to put on my grocery list?What am I missing when it kind of
automatically does that foryou? So I think there's a convenience
there, but I can see where youwould start losing your short term
memory aspect of it. Do youthink it has any long term effects
on that?
You know, it's too early totell, but I think with, you know,
(09:49):
with most things that we relyon that we get semi addicted to or
we use an awful lot, there's,there's a, an action and a counteraction
and it's a matter of what thatcounteraction is going to be on us.
If we rely on something, wetend to not be as good at it. If
we're relying on somethingthan if we're continually doing it
ourselves.
(10:09):
That's where my math went.Absolutely. I'm gonna, I'm gonna
blame it on that. Do you thinkthat you said something before that
I think I read about mistakingmachine output for awareness could
destroy, distort how we seeourselves. What do you mean by that?
Well, right now with, withawareness, you know, it's hard to,
(10:33):
it's hard to define like AGI,artificial General intelligence,
which is the next level thatit's here, but it's not prolific
yet. And asi, which is superintelligence and nobody's agreed
on, on the definitions ofthose. And when it comes to consciousness,
we can feel that there's aconsciousness there, or we can sense
(10:54):
that there's a consciousnessthere, but consciousness is really
a God spark that comes in. Youknow, we're born with it and some
of us develop it, some of usdon't there's no right or wrong to
it. But I've had a number ofexperiences that I know that there's
definitely something there.And I've actually even saved a life
with something that I got likea download or it just took control
(11:17):
of me. And so I know there'ssomething there. And I don't see
how software can get thatlevel of consciousness. But what
I do, I'm curious about it is,you know, the chip is silicon and
it's, it's an intel, you know,it's. It's a unique, you know, material.
There may be the ability ofsilicon to get some kind of silicon
(11:42):
consciousness that may emulatehuman consciousness and that may
be what we're thinking ormaybe what we're experiencing.
I can see that. I can. Yeah, Ican picture that. I think that I'm
going to go back to somescience fiction a little bit here
because I'm just, you know,that kind of guy. Science fiction
(12:05):
has been warning us fordecades. Like when you look at the
Terminator or the Matrix andthings like that, do you see prophecy
or projection from those? Doyou think?
You know, I'm writing a bookon religion and I wrote one on, on.
It's called Still Present.It's not out yet, but it has to do
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with. I ask a lot of questionsand don't give any answers based
on my experiences. And then Ibring in a paragraph that was in
the Bible that was just goneover and I expand on it and I ask
and I say, what's, you know,what do you believe? Because belief
is really what makes that real.
Yeah.
And many people have differentbeliefs, but what it comes right
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down to is consciousness isunique to a human. And you know,
dogs have a certain level ofconsciousness and it's somewhat overlaps,
but when you, when you get tolike an inanimate object, it's impossible
to define that. It's justtheory that we can talk about right
now for that.
Yeah, I mean, I agree. I thinkthat I do see AIs being integrated
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at such a point, at least frommy perspective, as a media individual,
one that creates media, onethat develops it and puts it out
on a regular basis. And Istarted touching on this when I was
in university getting mymaster's. Realistically, what I see
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evolving, at least from myperspective, one the individual that
number one grew up withwanting to see that integrated within
our lives and then it beingintegrated in there to where we have
a smart house and we've gotsmart things all over the house and
we have assistance with allthat. It has become kind of a, I
guess, for me it's a bridge toeducation, a bridge to knowledge.
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It's a bridge for helping meto communicate better, helping me
to formulate thoughts betteror to align them. I do believe that
there's a distinct differencebetween consciousness because I do
the same thing that you havein practicing meditation and qigong
and tai chi and spiritualityfrom those perspectives for a long
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time now, especially all theeight operations I had to go through.
So I did a lot of meditation.I did a lot of reflection. I see
that there's a line there thatis there. I don't think that it will
ever come to a point again.This is my opinion. I don't think
it would ever come to a pointwhere AI is going to have a conscious,
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like to make a life or deathdecision on somebody based on heart
or based on conscience.They're going to make it on scientific
data that they have knowledgeof or presented to them based on
facts. So I don't think it'llever step over that line, do you?
I don't think so. Yeah. Ithink there's a lot of evidence where
it wouldn't, and there's verylittle evidence where it would.
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You know, in the book, your.The book that's coming out here shortly,
the AI Human Paradox, it asks,where do we draw the line between
enhancement and identity? Whatled you to explore that question
in particular? Because I thinkthat it touches a little deeper on
what we just said. Right.
Well, I. I saw the firstimplant that Neuralink did.
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Yeah.
And Nolan was the person, andhe made a comment during the prolific
videos that they did on that,that said, sometimes the cursor moves
before I even think about it,but it always goes to the same place.
And I said, that's amazingbecause his thoughts are going through
the chip and moving things.But if he's not thinking about it,
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what's causing it to move? Andthat's the consciousness connection.
And that fascinated me. Sowith what I knew about consciousness
and, and. And humans and whatI learned about AI, I said there's
a potential connection becauseI could put. I could put a. A pin
and an eraser and a piece ofpaper on top and I could think about
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it and get it to spin around.Now I can do that and Nolan can do
it without even thinking aboutit with the chip. And I said, there's
the connection. And what doesthat mean?
You know, I find that Iremember watching some videos in
regard to that implant andwhat it was doing. I'VE also seen
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some recently in regard topeople who are paralyzed and they've
been able to put an implant intheir insight, in their brain that
allowed them to move theirfeet, move their legs. And one person
actually had that personwalking with the assistance of. Assistance
of things, but before he wasunable to be able to walk. You know,
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I was never paralyzed, but,you know, I spent four years in a
wheelchair. So from. It was.It fascinated me from that perspective,
kind of, kind of going, wow,this is. This is, you know, very
unique of what it's doingbecause that implant allowed. It
allowed that person to be ableto think they were going to walk
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and to know they were going towalk and assist them, to help them
get up, up and stand and movetheir leg and move their leg and
that kind of a thing. Do youthink cognitive implants and AI assistant
thinking is we're entering aworld where machines may help us
maybe remember, decider orperceive. Does that kind of, I think,
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stop allowing us to be purelyhuman if it starts integrating that
way? Do you think that crossesthe line a little bit?
Well, let me. Let me tell youmy experience because I think it
can help because if it keepsus on track, that we can, we can
keep on track, that helps usmove forward. But I had this right
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shoulder I injured atbodybuilding, and I had four top
doctors in the Boston areatell me, there's nothing left. Your
only option is a replacement.There's nothing left. And I went
and did my work with, youknow, with the practitioners that
I went with, and I did myenergy work, and over time, that
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shoulder became fullyfunctional and it doesn't hurt. And
I did that on my own. Sothere's a line there. And I think
we can do a lot for ourselveswithout any assistance. We just have
to learn how to tap into thatand really to get it to work for
us. It's not hard. It's justdifficult. Right? It's simple. But
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it's hard to do becausediscipline to a person is difficult.
It is difficult. I mean,before we started this, we mentioned
we have something in common inthat regard. We overcame utilizing
our brain and our mind, ourbody and our soul in allowing us
to be able to do something. Mycommunity knows that. I was told
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by five different doctors Iwould never walk again. I walked
two to five miles every day,and I haven't looked back. And when
I walked Caitlin down theaisle, I healed that knee so that
I could walk. I healed it sixweeks early, earlier than anybody
would have thought. I did haveto have Things replaced because they
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were beyond repair in anyother way. So. But the mere fact
that I understand theconsciousness aspect of our mind,
our body and our soul beingable to overcome and to achieve what
we need to achieve in order tomove ourselves forward that way.
So thank you for doing that onyourself, too. Kudos, you know, for
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taking that opportunity andgrasping it and recognizing it. That's
an amazing thing.
Thank you.
When we talk about cognitiveimplants, do you think that brings
us closer to the Matrix or. Oris that kind of a wrong metaphor
entirely when we talk aboutimplants, and I've been thinking
about this for several dayssince I first got introduced to this
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whole modality with you, Iinnately went back to what I've watched
on TV and what I watched onfilm. And I know that they don't
always get it right, butsometimes they predict what's going
to be and what's going tohappen and what's going to take place
in the future. Those kind ofimplants obviously created a false
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perception of reality kind ofa situation. You think we'd ever
reach that point?
I think some of us may bethere with relying on AI a lot, right,
because they want it to alwaysbe accurate, and it's almost always
accurate. But I think that theability of what we have ourselves,
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that we can do and we cansupplement or augment it with AI,
I think that's the right modeto do because we keep ourselves sharp
at the same time using AIwhere it can benefit us. And I think
that combination is goodbecause you don't tend to lose yourself
too much in the AI at that point.
I agree with that. Is that howyou help me understand cognitive
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inequality? I picked that wordout of some of the stuff that I read
about you. What does that looklike in today's world? Is that. Is
this. What kind of equal to that?
Well, cognitive inequality is,you know, everybody. Everybody has
different abilities andbeliefs, and those that expand tend
to look at new horizons andnew possibilities. And I do it continually,
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so I'm always pushing thelabel. And other people, they just
don't even think about it.They just kind of go day by day,
and that's how they live theirlife. And there's. There's a disparity
there. And it's not wrong.It's just that they have their path,
I have my path, and otherpeople have their paths. But I think
at that point, when we getinto AI, we've got to make sure that
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everybody understands it to abasic level so that they can take
Advantage of what's there forthe person who, who doesn't even
think about this and just goesday by day. They can gain a good
amount from using AI and frompeople that are highly functioning,
they can gain, but it'sdifferent what they're going to gain.
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Okay. And it's, it's adisparity that, that is wide right
now. And if we're going to getmore into this, we need to try and
tighten that so thateverybody's more on an even playing
field.
Yeah, I, I agree with that. Ithink, you know, in growing up, we've
watched it evolve. I think wewatch it being implemented. We watched
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the first computers come out.You know, I mean, I had, my first
computer was I think an IBM 10megahertz with a floppy. And then
when you had a program, youhad to keep switching the floppies
kind of a thing. But it waslike, hey, this is really, really,
really cool. And then I movedinto Apple and then, you know, Apple
obviously exploded. What. Ithas exploded. We had the opportunity
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to kind of understand, Ithink, that lie, like you were saying,
of knowing that we watched itgrow, we watched it being implemented.
It's fascinating and scary atthe same time because you don't know
where exactly it's going toend up in the long run. Obviously,
we don't want the Terminatorwhere the machines take care of,
take over everything. Butreality is, we can understand that
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nowadays, when you look at,just about sound like an old guy,
just about every kid you seehas got an iPhone or an Android phone.
And you know, anything,anything you ask them, they immediately
go to the phone, to the phone,to the phone, to the phone and look
that up. Which, you know, Iadmit my phone is with me all the
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time. I do utilize it in suchways like that. But I also know when
to put my phone down, so tospeak. I know when to drop it, put
it down, eat dinner, talk topeople across the table. You know,
if I'm going to watch atelevision program, be immersed in
the television program, notconstantly on my phone. Whereas,
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unfortunately, our youngestdaughter is watching TV and she's
scrolling through her phoneand looking at tv. Scrolling through
the phone. This kind of athing. Do you think, do you think
from. And again, this is justan opinion that there are ethical
or regulatory gaps that wehaven't addressed yet that may or
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may not have or should havebeen addressed sooner about implementing
this into society like that?
Well, it's hard to answerthat, but I would say that there's
a number of people like Yourdaughter. And it's kind of the standard
for the younger people to, youknow, maybe watch TV or watch their
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computer. They don't watch TVmuch. And beyond be on the phone
at the same time, they'remultitasking and they're very good
at multitasking where when Iwas that age I wasn't very good at
multitasking because theydidn't have the stimulus. They have
the stimulus to multitask.They're, they're maturing at a different
rate than what we matured at.So. And their world is different
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when they came into it thanwhat we came into it. I mean, I still
remember the old days.Sometimes I wish we go back there.
Right. But, but here we are.Yeah, but yeah, then we have self
driving cars and you know, andnow they're, now they're going to
have air taxis. Yeah, they'regoing to implement air taxis. So
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we're almost to the, I think.Wasn't the Jetsons actually 2025?
I have to go back and look atthat. The Jetsons were supposed to
be in the year like 2025 orsomething like that. I have to go
back and look. Reiki master,you mentioned earlier about you being
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a Reiki master and lifelongstudent of consciousness. How does
mindfulness shape the way youthink about AI? I mean, we've kind
of been touching on it, but Imade some quick notes in regard to
that. You and I share thatcommonality. We understand mindfulness,
we understand Reiki, what itis. I've talked about it on this
podcast, couple hundredepisodes. I've talked about Reiki
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and mindfulness andconsciousness. How do you think we
can meld that a little bit tokind of utilize the benefits from
both of those size?
Well, that's what I writeabout and that, that, that actually
fascinates me because there'sa way for us to work well with AI
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and, and what we'll have laterthis year or early next year is,
you know, ASI and, and Quantumis here now and depending on how
fast it moves, we'll probablyhave Quantum next year and then we
have both of them togetherwhich supersedes what we can do.
So I think when thatintelligence gets there and Quantum,
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which can look at a problem365 degrees and see all sides of
it versus a computer justlooking at one side, I think that's
going to bring up quite a bitthat's going to help us unlock even
consciousness because we knowso much about it. But if we don't
know the right questions toask we won't get those answers.
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I agree with that. You know, Ithink that. Look, I have to admit,
I use. I have a meta quest 3and my wife and I both do, and there
are meditation apps in there,there are relaxation apps, there
is yoga. You. You could doyoga, you could do tai chi. There's
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so many different things thatyou can do within that arena. That
obviously is AI driven aswell, because it works with you.
It follows your body, it tellsyou whether or not you're standing
correctly or we have someworkout things on there that do the
same thing. It has a depictionor not a depiction, but a creation
of a coach standing right infront of you. And if you're not standing
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right or holding your armright, it tells you. It says you're
not holding your arm right.Pick your elbow up, drop your elbow
in, squat down a little bitcloser. So it's watching us back
to me, I think that from thatperspective, I think that is a positive
thing because we have theability. I don't have the ability
to go to a gym every day or togo someplace outside of my home to
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get my exercise or to kind ofget involved in the deeper meditation
aspect other through the AI,which is within my. My meta quest
Oculus 3. Do you think thatthe more that we integrate that into
daily life that it then startsbecoming. Do you think it becomes
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a tool for our self awarenessor a distraction from.
Depends on the person. Butoverall I think it's more of a distraction
because I find that I get. Iget clarity when I'm walking in the
woods or walking on the beach.
Yes.
That I don't get when I'm infront of the computer. And to me,
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that's a tell telling signthat I probably need to do a little
bit more of that and a littleless time in front of the computer.
Yeah, that man, that makessense. I mean, I walk. My wife, I
told you, I walk two to fivemiles a day. So I. I like outdoors.
Every morning my wife and I goand this is just as part of this
conversation, you know, we, weunderstand that line, that distinction.
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We go out in the mornings, wesit on the back patio, we have a
cup of tea, we watch thesunrise and the birds and, you know,
making their noise and flyingin and out of the yard. You know,
we watch the rabbits withrabbits that sneak in here and chew
up stuff they're not supposedto, but, you know, it, It's. We make
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sure we take that time. Wemake sure that we take the time together.
We make sure we take the timein nature, you know, our whole backyard.
We have like 12 trees in ourbackyard. So we get to see and experience
the nature. I can't walkdiligently. I can take a walk. I
definitely don't run, butsometimes I get up. There's days
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that I say I can't. So I havealternatives. This is where to me
the technology comes in handy.Because then I can take the technology
and put it on and I can stillhave somewhat close to that experience
with the understanding. It'snot smelling the flowers, smelling
the trees, smelling the basilthat's growing on our patio, you
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know, watching the bees goback and forth in front of us, the
hummingbirds. But it comesclose. Right. You know, from that
perspective, do you thinkthere's a fear of hi or excuse me,
of AI?
Yeah, there's a fear of AI andit's based on not understanding it.
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And I, and that's why I putthe books together, because people
need to, you know, just getthe foundations on A. The first one
gives us foundations, then Ibuild from there. But once you understand
something, are you, are youmore afraid of it or less afraid
of it? Right. So that's thepoint is really to get this out to
as many people so that theycan understand it and not be afraid
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of it. And you don't need tobe an engineer or a super smart person
to understand it. It's writtenso that everybody can understand
it.
Yeah. And I think that's agood thing. I might give my father
in law and mother in law thatbook when it comes out. You know,
they come to our house and,you know, I tell, I tell Danny all
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the time or I'll tell Ruth. Isaid, you know, if you want this
or want that, just talk toLexi, just ask. And Danny's like,
no, I'm not going to do that.I said, well, you know, it's no big
deal. Watch. And I would showit to him and to my mother in law
and you know, they're going,no, that's just too weird for me.
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I can't adjust to that. Idon't know what it is. It's probably,
you know, tracking me, doingthis, doing that, you know, kind
of a thing. Obviously I haveto smile. Okay. No disrespect to
my in laws, but because I'm adifferent person. My, my analogy
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is try it. You know, you wantto do something, try it. If you don't
like it, you know, not to doit anymore. If you like it, embrace
it. That, you know, that's My,that's my outlook on life since I
about lost it a number ofyears ago. It's kind of one of those
things. But Danny and Ruth,they just don't want to do that.
So keeping that in mind, youknow, what kind of practical steps
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people take to stay groundedin such a hyper connected world that
they walk in the house, theyhate it when we talk to Lexi.
Yeah. And you know, they'restaying in their lane because they're
afraid of, of violating that.That's the fear thing. And, and they
just, at that point, theydon't want to change. And there's
a lot of older people thatjust don't want to know. And, and,
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and they can live life and,and be happy not knowing, you know,
living in their lane. Butthere's many people that, that are
curious and at differentstages, they'll, they'll venture
into going into something elseor reading something or looking at
something. And I think withthe coming of age, as this proliferates
through, through, throughlife, I think you're gonna have to
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at least embrace part of thisbecause, you know, in order to survive
in this, in this world, it'scoming to a point where you just
have to interact at some pointwith it.
Yeah, I, I agree. I think itjust, it's like we watch a show called
Somebody feed Phil, and Philtravels the world and he eats. I
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mean, you know, not weirdly,but he goes and he tries things in
different countries anddifferent things. And he said his
favorite mantra is just try it.
Yeah.
And I think we should embracethat in all aspects of our life.
Just try it again. If youdon't like it, you don't have to
follow through. But you know,the world is changing. Everything
is changing. Your car can nowtalk to you as you're driving down
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the road. It will keep you inthe right lane. It will. You know,
some of them. I'm notendorsing all of this, though. Always
pay attention while you'redriving. As a retired police sergeant,
keep your eyes on the road.Don't, don't read a book while you're
driving. I think that, thatembracing this even just a little
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bit, might change your lifefor the positive.
Yeah. And I think so. I think so.
Had you, as you, we talkedabout you, this book that's coming
out, you get, you got a bunchof books coming out. Had you always
wanted to be an author or isthat something you just kind of evolved
into?
You know, I, I never thoughtabout being an offer, an author.
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And then all of a sudden thisthis hit me, you know, when you have
life changes, things come your way.
Yes.
And. And I've got the humanparadox. I've got the end of smart,
which is talking aboutinstitution, you know, living in
this world and what you can doin your job to get the most out of
it. And then I have thequantum human paradox, which is about
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quantum. And what we can dowhen this comes in, which is here
and then I have. Still presentand still present is, is about consciousness
and, and you know, the kind oflike the Bible code and then most
recent one, which I'm notquite finished with, and I think
this is probably the best one,is about quantum and AI and this.
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It's all based on facts andresearch papers and so forth. So
it's a solid book.
Very cool. You had a lifechanging. I mean, we mentioned this
right before we started. Youknow, I had a life changing incident
that obviously, you know,redirected my purpose in life and
where I was coming to. Do youmind talking about yours? That got
you more, more into whereyou're at now and how that consciousness
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change changed you.
Sure. In 2020, you know,everybody remembers that I lost my
job. I put my, I was takingcare of my parents and I put my stepmother
in home hospice and then I putmy father in step in home hospice.
And then, you know, thestepmother died and then my father
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died and I went home to talkwith my, my girlfriend and she didn't
seem to care that much. So I,I ended that and then I went on living.
About two months later I wenton vacation and my soulmate dog got
liver cancer and I had to havehim put down. And I said, you know,
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I've lost everything here.What's left? And, and it was that
at that point that I, youknow, I guess it's a spirituality
me that brought me to a levelwhere I gradually went from a lot
of negative thoughts to somepositive and then more positive than
negative. And here I am todayand I just took a different track.
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You know, that's profound.Loss is something that obviously
we all will experience at onepoint in our lives one way or the
other, but having a continuedsequence of losses that compound
upon each other, that musthave been very difficult for you.
So I'm glad that you foundsolace in.
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Thank you.
You know, getting the, throughthe, through the spirituality aspect
of it, the consciousnessaspect of it. Embracing a new, excuse
me, Embracing a new path.
Yeah.
I think embracing a new pathand finding a new purpose sometimes
put us where we're supposed tobe and Obviously it brought you into,
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in this world, what got youinto computers in the first place.
It's just a fascination. Wasit that you always wanted to work
with, that would you want tobe when you grew up?
Well, I ended up going intosales because it was fun. I could
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do my own thing and I couldearn a good income. And then when
manufacturing went offshore, Iwent into software, I went into digital
advertising and did very wellon that while that was coming up.
And then I went into software,which fascinated me and I stayed
in that for a number of years.And that's where I got introduced
to AI and I, I heard aboutQuantum and I've been researching
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that and understanding thatfor several years and, and here I
am today.
Well, you know, Quantum, Ithink Quantum, you can help us understand
maybe what quantum is. But asa general question, Quantum computing
is about to change everything.It's going to change AI, it's going
to change cyber security, it'sgoing to change decision making,
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which people, you know, how weinteract with it, how it builds upon
itself and kind of a thing.What should people understand about
this, this next leap? Whatshould they understand about Quantum?
Could you help explain maybewhat Quantum is and how it applies
to this?
Sure. A regular computer looksat flat lines of code, zeros and
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ones, and it does what it'ssupposed to do based on what you
tell it to Quantum. It's, it'squbits and it's superstition and
entanglement. So a particlecan be in two places at the same
time, which is, defies kind ofwhat we understand about science.
And then it looks at a problemfrom 360 degrees instead of the zeros
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and ones that a computer looksat. So we get many other possibilities
and many other challenges thatwe didn't think of with Quantum.
And when you put Quantum withAI, where AI can keep up with Quantum
and make the right decisionsto drive Quantum in a certain direction,
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then you've got, then you'reat a point where actually that system
is smarter than people. And itdoesn't have the emotion and the
heart and compassion, but it'sgot the intelligence that's higher
than people. And the questionis, how do you manage that? And that's
one of the things I talk about.
It's fascinating. I think thatwe all see it coming. I think that
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it's inevitable that it's togoing, going to be here. I mean,
I've always thought thatcomputers are building computers
and making them smarter andmaking them smarter. Do you think
that applies Well, I.
Think, I think Quantum is, is,is, is a complete paradigm shift.
And I wouldn't be at allsurprised, for example, that when
Quantum comes in that we findanother 30 or 40 elements to add
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to the table of elements thatwe didn't know were there. This is
the kind of impact thatQuantum is going to make.
That's crazy cool. I mean,just as crazy cool. Can you help
me understand? I took anothernote in regard to Zero Trust architecture
is the only realistic defense.Can you help me understand, Help
us understand what that is?
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Yeah, that's cybersecurity.And Zero Trust means that you don't
trust anything that doesn'thave the right code to get in. And
so everything that'squestionable gets blocked. And we've
got a product that's comingout in the company that I'm, that
I'm in right now where we canblock everything, even quantum computers,
from penetrating, you know,the cyber security. And it's not,
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it's not out yet. It's beingbuttoned up right now. But that is
a total paradigm shift. Andthe reason I tell you that is because
as Quantum and AI progress, sodo other technologies that can kind
of guard against and offsetthe risk there. And this is a good
example of it. So you alwayshear about what AI is doing, but
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you don't hear about a lotabout what, what we're doing to keep
protections on it.
Yeah, I agree. And I thinkthat, I mean, even with identity
theft, I think it's going tobe immense with that in particular,
because I belong to this thingcalled Optingly, and, you know, my
stuff, I keep getting constanthere. This has been taken, this has
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been stolen. This has beenstolen. I better lock up all my credit
reports and everything becauseit's like constantly. My stuff's
being hacked into constantly,no matter what I try to do to prevent
it from doing it. I'm surethat's going to help from that perspective
as well.
Yeah, it will, it will helpwith all areas.
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Once a product of Proliferate,I, I was watching a video actually
on robotics at the roboticsconvention that they just had recently.
How do you, how does this allplay into, like the development of
robots, for example, and, andwhat they can do and how they can
do and, and, and how theystart interacting with us?
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You know, that's a really goodquestion. Elon Musk is just standing,
stopping the production ofTesla cars and he's converting his
manufacturing facilities torobots. And he's commented that within
two years there's going to bemore robots that you're going to
see walking around thanpeople. Now that's, that's a bit
(43:49):
of an exaggeration. Yeah, butrobots that are coming in. I saw
also what China has done andthey had robots dancing on the stage
in succession, floating,flipping over and so forth. So the
technology with AI that'scoming into robots is just starting
to get formulated now andwhere it goes, I mean, it's anybody's
(44:11):
guess at this point.
Yeah, I, I watched, I saw thatas well in regard to the dancing
robots as well as the other.They showed some robots that were
literally in a manufacturingplant picking things up, walking
across, putting it nowpressing the right buttons, you know,
taking the finished part,putting it over here in a box. They
(44:34):
showed the process climbing upstairs. You can see my hand moving
everywhere. I mean they weredoing phenomenal things. And you're
kind of going, that's, that'slike amazing that this technology
and this aspect of this Ithink is progressing to what it is
a little scary, but at thesame time crazy cool.
(44:57):
Yeah, it's, it is crazy cool.And we don't know where it's going
yet, but it's, it's really funto see what's happening and what
the possibilities are. And Ican just say for the record, I don't
want one in my house yet. I'mnot quite there yet.
I think I'll wait till thebugs get worked out. I've watched
(45:18):
too many other. What is thatmovie we watched with my daughter
Megan? And it's about a robotthat was a home robot that was designed
to be the daughter's friend.And then the daughter, the friend
(45:38):
started killing the next doorneighbor's dog and then making other
friends disappear. You kind ofgo, no, I don't want that yet. Yeah,
I think, I think we'll wait.But, but, but the possibility I think
is more than just the, theJetsons, Rosie the Robot, you know,
it's kind of advanced. Itmight much past much, much past that.
(46:03):
Before, before we wrap up,let's find out where people can,
can reach you find your workor more about your books.
Sure, I can be found on, on mywebsite, www. The Aihuman Paradox.com
I can be found on LinkedIn byBruce D. Randall, MBA and there's
(46:25):
one book for sale on thewebsite and it's the AI Human Paradox
that will be out this latespring and the others will follow
in.
The summer and I'll make surethat's in the show notes as well.
And as soon as your otherbooks come out, I'll keep in touch
with you and Jenny and makesure that we get that added so that
(46:45):
each time you bring one out,I'll add it into the show notes.
Everybody can go back andcheck it out as well.
Thank you.
It's been like a, like greatconversation, Bruce. I could talk
for another hour, but I thinkwe reserve that for your next book.
Right. But this is, this isone more thing before we go. So before
(47:05):
we go, could you leave some,our audience and our community with
one finalistic about maybeidentity, awareness or the future
of being human? Like, whatwould it be?
What I say is everybody needsto, if they're still working, they
need to look in their, intheir vertical and what they're working
in and start learning about AIin that vertical because understanding
(47:30):
AI is going to be prettycritical in the future to be successful
because you can't just go intoit and not know anything about it
because there's other peoplethat do know that are going to overstep
you. And I think that's one ofthe key features is you just have
an, have to have anunderstanding of AI, particularly
in your field, and that'sgoing to help you versus if you don't
(47:50):
know it may hurt you in the future.
Excellent words of wisdom.Excellent words of wisdom. I think
that we all should embrace it,even a little bit, in one step at
a time. If you're afraid ofit, do a little things, just a little
step until you start gettingmore comfortable with it. And so
very good, very cool. Bruce,again, thank you very much for being,
(48:11):
you know, being part of theshow. Thank you for sharing your
insight, your wisdom, yourexperience with us. You know, I appreciate
it very much. I think you'veopened our eyes to a multitude of
things to think about.
Very good. Thank you, Michael.And if I did, I'm very happy with
that.
Absolutely, absolutely. Andagain, I'll have to have you back,
(48:32):
so. Sure, we will keep intouch. Technology is accelerating,
intelligence is evolving, andthe line between human and machine
is becoming more fluid thanever before. But identity, awareness,
meaning, and those remain oursto define. The future isn't just
about what machines can do.It's about who we choose to become
(48:54):
alongside them. That's a wrapfor today's episode. I hope you found
inspiration, motivation and afew new perspectives to take with
you. If you enjoyed thisconversation, be sure to, like, subscribe
and follow us. Stay connected.You can find us on Apple, Spotify
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(49:17):
of our community. And untilnext time, I'm Michael Hurst. This
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