Rewriting Your Story: Heather Ann Ferri on Healing & Personal Evolution

In this cinematic and deeply human conversation, Heather Ann Ferri joins Michael Herst at the Mediterranean table to explore healing, identity, trauma, and the stories we carry — and the ones we choose to rewrite.

Heather shares her powerful journey through childhood trauma, chronic illness, spiritual awakening, and the lifelong work of reclaiming the self. Together, she and Michael dive into the emotional patterns we inherit, the cultural forces that shape us, and the rituals that help us return to wholeness.

This episode blends vulnerability, wisdom, and grounded storytelling — offering listeners a moment of reflection, connection, and the reminder that healing is not a destination, but a relationship with ourselves.

Topics We Explore:

• Healing trauma & emotional patterns

• Identity, heritage & personal evolution

• Chronic illness & spiritual awakening

• Rewriting your story

• Returning to wholeness

• The cultural forces that shape us

• The power of presence, curiosity & story

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Episode Transcript

(00:00):
Hey, one more thing before yougo. Some journeys are planned. Some
are accidental, some of thekind that change you forever. The
American kitchen used to be aplace of warmth, a place where stories
simmered, where familiesgathered, where culture lived in
the hands that cooked for us.But somewhere along the way, the
kitchen changed, the foodchanged, the soil changed, and so

(00:22):
did we. Today we're living ina world where the things we consume
feel physically, emotionally,and spiritually are shaping us in
ways that we don't always seeuntil our bodies remember what our
minds have forgotten. This isa story about trauma, culture, healing,
and the quiet collapsehappening inside the American home
and the people brave enough torebuild it. I'm going to have with

(00:44):
one of those individualstoday, so stay tuned. I'm your host,
Michael Hurst. Welcome to onemore thing before you go. Today I'm

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joined by someone whose worksits at the intersection of culture,
trauma, storytelling, andspiritual healing. A place where
personal history meets themodern American crisis. Heather Ann
Ferri is a storyteller, ahealer, a cultural critic, and a
woman who has lived throughand risen from the brain damage to
generational trauma, childhoodabuse, and the collapse of her own

(01:25):
body. She blends science,spirituality, movement, breath work,
and narrative to help peoplereconnect to themselves in a world
that's become increasinglydisconnected. Her work explores everything
from the destruction of theAmerican kitchen to the hidden cost
of contamination, to theinheritance we carry in our bloodlines.
And I'm really happy to say,Heather, welcome to the show.

(01:50):
Such a blessing to be here,Michael. Thanks for having me. And
that's a wonderfulintroduction into this conversation.
Well, you. That's a lifetimeof earning that. You earned it. Your
journey's amazing, actually.
Thank you.
Well, you know, I think thatyour work kind of lives at the intersection

(02:12):
of trauma and healing. We bothknow trauma and healing. I mentioned
you earlier. I grew up in avery dysfunctional childhood myself,
and that's why I became a copwhen I was a cop. And then, of course,
during my career as a cop, Isaw a lot of trauma and I also saw
a lot of healing. Where didthat journey begin for you?
Well, you know, I was in mytwenties in New York City, and I

(02:36):
was trying to make that dreamcome true of being famous and being
on stage. And through theactivation of going on stage with
tap legend Jimmy Slide in ajazz club, something, I think deeper
awakened in me. It was like asoul activation. And spending some
time with this, like, sort ofdivinely man just really set the

(02:58):
imprint that I wouldn't knowtill, like, 30 years later, as you
know, the journey. And reallywhat it was is that it went back
to that childhood story. Youknow, my parents were high school
sweethearts. They marriedyoung. They both came from incredible
amounts of ancestral traumas,I would say, you know, behind closed
doors, they were battling alot with themselves and then each

(03:20):
other. And then as the child,as this pure hearted soul, very confused
about those battles. You know,things took a real big turn in my
kitchen. And the kitchenreally represented a war zone for
me. It was not a safe place.That's where I would see my mom sitting,
eating chocolate cake aftertrying to pretty much attack me,

(03:44):
choke me almost to death,screaming horrific things that I
can't even imagine saying toanybody, even my worst enemy. And,
you know, my father cominghome depressed after being fired
from the family business. Thekitchen really held a lot of secrets
and a lot of denial, a lot ofshame and a lot of masks. And so

(04:06):
it's interesting when I wentinto show business, you know, and
the career I had, and thenmoving back to Pittsburgh in my 30s
and saying, okay, I'm going toface why I ran away in the first
place. And then that startedto take me down that, you know, I
call it the Yellow Brick Road.Dorothy and the wizard of Oz, because
that was my first tap solo onstage at age 5, 5 or 6 years old.

(04:30):
And tap shoes were my way outof Pittsburgh. It was my only voice.
I wasn't allowed to talk in myhousehold really at all, which would
surprise me because on theoutside, we. We looked like the all
American perfect family, whichI'm sure you can relate to in your
business. And on the inside,that was not the case. And as a little
girl, I was bullied so much bymy mom and scared. And so I put on

(04:53):
shows. You know, it was theonly thing I could do. And luckily
I had skill sets and thatallowed me to get jobs in my twenties.
But as I was getting job afterjob, I was getting deeply depressed.
You know, this isn't uncommon.We hear about it today. It's the
Epstein files. Everythingthat's coming out about Hollywood
and the music industry. Andfor me, I'm really proud of the choices

(05:16):
I made because they were mychoices that were not taught to me
by my parents or myenvironment. There was something
deeper in. When I startedmeditating in my late 20s, there
was something sacred, thedivine mother inside of me. And I
kept making choices that wereoutside the box, that didn't fit

(05:37):
into certain tribes. But it'sled me down this different path of
healing ancestral Bloodlinelineage traumas and coming full circle
to actually have theconfidence to speak and also write
my music and sing today.Michael. So this gives you little
bits of Cliff Notes.

(05:57):
Cliff Notes are great,especially when it comes to that
type of an atmosphere. And Ithink that. Do you think that was
the moment that kind ofchanged everything that shifted for
you at that point where itchanged the new direction of your
life? I think those of us thatgrew up in any kind of a trauma,
especially that kind ofenvironment, very well familiar with

(06:20):
it with regard to most. Myparents were alcoholics. And, you
know, watch them trying tobasically kill each other, you know,
or trying to kill each other,and that's something that resonates
with us for the rest of ourlives. When you grow up with a child,
I think it affects internallyas well as externally. And sometimes

(06:42):
we don't always recognize it,and I know that sometimes it comes
from intergenerational trauma,which we'll talk about here in a
little bit, but. Yeah. Wasthat the moment that changed? Take
us to the moment that changedeverything. How did you kind of evolve
from that? Recognize it?
I don't think I recognized ittill I was losing my ability to walk.

(07:04):
So I think it was when my late30s when I started to do energy healing
work on myself, and I wasalready doing a lot of meditation.
I was a certified KundaliniYoga teacher. And it was really those
beginning tools of meditating,breath work, energy work, that started
to wake up the frozenness. Iwas pretty frozen, you know, I was

(07:26):
pretty much like, what thatperson that, you know, you thought
I was the happiest person inthe world on stage and off stage,
but no one really knew me. Ididn't let anybody really know me.
When my body started to fallapart and I started to lose, literally
my ability to use my legs,well, that forces you to have to
go within that forces. Youhave to face reality. And the reality

(07:48):
was, is that my family wasn'twhat I had made up in my head, the
fantasy. And I had to dealwith the consequences of all the
psychological abuse, let alonethe physical abuse. So I would say
that was the pivotal momentfor me.
That was a pivotal moment, andI can relate to that. I understand
that. You know, I think thatwhat you. A lot of entertainers,

(08:12):
there are secrets behind thesmile, secrets behind the laughter,
secrets behind everythingthat. That they portray because they've
grown up in environments that.That weren't like the perfect, you
know, the. The Brady Bunch orthe Part Family or the, you know,
Father Knows Best type of anatmosphere. And I think that the

(08:35):
reality of that, it takes along time, 30, 40 years for that
to catch up to me. It took me,I'm going to give away, in part of
my age, 50 years, 40 years,45, 45, 50 years before I finally
kind of started recognizingthat a lot of what I was experiencing
as well was intergenerationaltrauma. And that a lot of this stuff

(08:58):
that I was pushing down that Ishouldn't have, that I should have
had an outlet for, a differentoutlet for than. Than. So, yeah,
that's. That's. We'll get moreinto that here in just a little bit.
I think I would like to touchon a couple things and reading your
bios and the stuff that I'velearned about you, you live through
brain damage. And please helpme with this. What is cptsd?

(09:24):
Yeah, ptsd, which is reallycommon with war veterans. You know,
post traumatic disorder. CPTSDis just that it's chronic because
I didn't go to work and leaveit. I was living in a house for 18
years, both from age 8, whenmy mom switched to 16. So eight years
of living with a psychopath energy.

(09:46):
Got it.
So it's chronic buildup. Andwhen I worked in the trauma field,
my private coaching, that's abig marker if you have one incident
easier to heal when you'reliving it chronically. It takes time
to heal. And then obviously,brain damage is how I define it for

(10:06):
myself. I can say I had ocd. Ican say I had adhd. And of course,
I had not only childhoodtrauma, but I would then learn once
my father passes in February2022, really, the generational trauma.
And, you know, that means, youknow, when I was. Gosh, how do. I

(10:28):
mean, I'm 38 years old and Ican barely write a paragraph. I can
barely read a paragraph. Imean, that's what brain damage is.
I'm thinking I'm dumb. I'mthinking I'm not academically smart,
Even though I was reallycreative and very skillful in dance
and music. And I startedwriting shows at the end of my career

(10:51):
before I moved back toPittsburgh. But as I started to.
As I say, God came in andstarted to give me tools. And as
I started to get clients intrauma, which I never planned on
being a trauma healer coach,never in my mind would. I thought
that would be it. But that waspartly my journey of being the enlightened

(11:14):
scientist, the creativescientist that could not have the
ego involved but say, okay,this is working. This isn't Working.
Okay, I have to move here. Igot to put this in. It's like making
a really good soup, you know,and you're in. And it's a meditative
dance. Well, I had to take allof these ancient sciences, start
to unravel, pull out thetrauma. And so specifically, I think

(11:38):
you'll find this interesting.The brain protocols that I work with
do have PubMed research, butthey're not being used much in the
United States. And so I hopebeing on this channel today and being
a voice, now that I've been ina practice for so long, I can teach
organizations or employees orget it out there to leaders, because

(12:01):
there is benefits to the brainwork that's different than just tapping
or even things like EFT oremdr. Not that those aren't amazing
techniques, but there'ssomething more advanced, a human
intelligence that I would liketo see more of, specifically in.

(12:22):
In the health care and themental health care of the United
States. Not only can we becomesmarter, but we have a computer chip
here that has so manypossibilities. And I would like to
see us invest more in thatadvancement, not just the advancement
of technology. And when wetalk about the roots of the kitchen

(12:42):
and losing the kitchen, losingwhat it meant, our food and our water,
our soil, all these played apart in my healing process. So it's
interesting journey, Michael,because, you know, I go through 18
years of severe, you know,childhood abuse. I go into show business
for a good 12 to 13 years. Imove back home, and then I go into

(13:03):
the healing arts for a good,you know, 18 years. And now I'm 53
years old. And now I'm puttingthe whole pot together. I'm getting
back on stages. I'm usedwriting music and putting it all
together, but I'm putting ittogether through experience,.
Which is, I think, a positivething, because sometimes, you know,
you can learn things in abook, but you can learn things more

(13:26):
in depth and more recognizablewhen you do it in person and when
you experience it. I think thebetter way to learn it anyway. And
I honestly, the healthindustry in this country is, you
know, it is. That's a wholeother show, Heather.
I know that's a whole othershow. You can't even find a word

(13:48):
for it. You know, it's aninteresting game. I feel like there's
a game going on, and it's notfor the people.
No. And perpetually, thehealth industry is perpetually building
upon itself. And as, again,it's a whole different show. So we
won't delve too far into that,because that'd be a rabbit hole we

(14:09):
may not get. Come out forabout three hours.
Yeah, yeah, I'll come back.
But, yeah, you know, itperpetuates itself and. And, you
know, it complicates itself.It did the same thing with me. I
was told by five doctors I'dbe in a wheelchair for most of my
life and just sit there andtake these nine different medications
and sit down and do this andkeep coming back and seeing me. And,
you know, I chose to make adifference within that, and I chose

(14:30):
that. And, you know, they wereastounded, going, well, you can't
do that. Well, I did. So justlike you, you took an opportunity
to recognize the environmentalas well as the emotional impacts
in the psychological and themental health impacts throughout
your experiences in your lifewere perpetuated by outside influence

(14:55):
as well as internalinfluences. But you understood how
to separate those, but fixthem in such a way that you understood
how to connect them and managethem, which is a good thing. I think
it's a good thing.
Yeah. I mean, something youbring up, I don't mention often,
but I was over medicated,obviously, from sinus and throat
infections, ear infectionsfrom age 9 to 16. Didn't talk to

(15:19):
the doctors. You know, butwhen I look at those pictures, some
of them are on my website. Youknow, I'm like, how did they not
see that there was somethingwrong? You know, you don't want to
blame, but you're kindly kindof the nut. And so it's interesting
because in my early 20s, myblood work was horrific. I had a
genetic red blood celldisorder. And all I kept getting
was, there's nothing we cando. There's nothing we can do. Which

(15:42):
is a mantra in itself. So it'sreally awesome at this moment because
I've reversed that. And it'sjust so funny because there are family
members in denial of that.They still don't understand. And
it's like, well, I've healedfrom. From not just my blood, my
bones, you know, my bonestructure has changed from shaking

(16:02):
out involuntarily. Thesetraumas, these fears, these attacks,
you know, because ancestrally,there's a lot more to it than just
this life. But, yeah, andalso, I give myself a lot of credit
now. I mean, it's the roadless traveled. You know, people can
say, oh, she looks healthy andhappy, and I am, but, you know, at

(16:23):
what cost? I had to. I had toleave a lot of people. I. I had to
be alone. I had to cry in acorner and I had to write and journal
and nobody was coming to savethe day but me. I had to decide my
worth no matter what. And thatdoes come from my ancestral lineage.
I come from some warriors thatyou would know and respect at least.
I feel like they're in mybloodline, you know, and these are

(16:46):
warriors that had to leavetheir bloodline and step outside
the box and go outside thepsychology of slavery. And I'm not
going to stand for this, youknow, and that's for me, you know,
I was written off of. This is,you know, it's so. It's just a strange
thing for me right now becauseI am feel like I'm such a good person.
But the truth is, is so manypeople in my family, like just sort

(17:09):
of disregarded like andsupported the, the, the psychopath.
But we see that on stages leftand right rally in America. So there's
a programming of what? Why arewe supporting the, the loudest voice?
Why don't we support the mosthonest, authentic, sincere voice?
I agree with that. That's,that's profound. Actually. When you

(17:31):
go back to that, you weretalking about your body and your
bones feel it in the, thewarrior inside you. So you said symptoms
aren't just symptoms, they'restories. Like what, what stories?
What stories that your bodytells you. But sometimes we don't
know how to listen to thosestories. Did you learn how to listen

(17:52):
to those stories and that'skind of give you your first step
into healing?
Yeah, that's a great, greatsegue. So when I was working with
clients, you know, I'mteaching them meditation. They're
crying, they're getting on abetter water, they're doing certain
stretches and movement wherethey start to involuntary shake.
They start to have dreams.They're coming back saying, you know,

(18:13):
I have this dream, reoccurringdream of a holocaust or a reoccurring
dream of a war. And I don'tknow if it's me in a past life or
I don't know if it's myancestors. And the truth is, is either
way, it's inside of you andit's program running that we want
to heal. And when I started tosee this over and over again, like
it was through the brain work,it was just natural. It fascinated

(18:36):
me. It's almost like, youknow, in the theater arts when you're
playing a character, butyou're like, this is a character
from another life. Is thisyour grandma? Your great grandmother?
Is this your past life? Youknow, and for me, I never wanted
to define that for somebodyelse, I want them to be independent
thinkers. So I was never thattype of teacher. That's like, I am
going to tell you what youwere and this and that. No, I'm going

(18:58):
to give you the toolkit. I'mgoing to guide you. I'm going to
fall. I'm going to validateyou. I have a lot of psychic abilities
that I wasn't really aware of.But for me, when my father passed
away in 2022, I had whatAmerica would say is a nervous breakdown.
But I would say as a spiritualawakening. That's when just everything

(19:19):
crumbled from my family to myidentity. And it was like I could
hear him. I could hear sideelectricity was going on and off.
It was like, I'm going to wakeyou up. I'm going to make sure, you
know, I'm here. Even though,you know, we have issues to work
out. Me and my father had alot of issues to work out because
I felt like he abandoned methroughout my life and supported

(19:42):
what I would call thepsychopath and taught the family
system in some ways. And sothrough that journey, that's really
why I wrote this, this newbook, Transcending Victim to Goddess,
with my father on the otherside. It's the first part of a series.
I really wanted to write parttwo. And he was like, no, you got

(20:03):
to go back to the beginning.We got to rewrite this as a tool
so that when people see allthe advancement you have of past
lives and how your ancestorsare coming up and who you are as
a psychic medium, they know itdidn't happen in a day. You know,
there's. There's roots tothis. And so we wrote this first
book together. But when Istarted shaking out more trauma,

(20:26):
I was getting rashes. I wasgetting visuals of my ancestors.
I was kind of shocked and kindof not, you know, when I was in the
tap dancing career, a lot ofpeople compared me to black men.
Like, and it was just such acompliment because the best tap dancers,
you know, Jimmy Slide, GregoryHines, they were all black men. They

(20:48):
were. That's. They werephenomenal, and they were great human
beings. But it was confusingto me, you know, in my late 20s,
my identity, because I wasn'ta black man, but I was in a past
life, you know. And then Idid. I finally realized my. My grandmother,
we didn't know her mother andfather. She was raised by her sister.
She had darker skin. And thenI started, you know, having these

(21:11):
memories. I had these, youknow, things of Harriet Tubman coming
Through and then my dad asJohn Horse coming through. And, you
know, at first I was reallyinsecure about, like, people are
going to think I'm crazy. ButI have to say, in the last couple
months, I think because it'sjust so strong, like, it's almost
like I don't need anybody'svalidation. I know what I know. And

(21:33):
because I've healed so manythings that are so painful that,
I mean, when we talk aboutbrain damage, I have to drink a better
water. That's, you know, it'snot like selling something because
my head's swelling. I'm tryingto release all of this slavery. Feeling
the chains in my throat, mywrists. I mean, this was real. And

(21:54):
I started to experience whatthese women were going through in
the. In the cotton and sugarplantations. And then the whole sugar
thing. My mom was a sugaraddict. I'm a sugar addict. The kitchen.
The kitchen stories of allthese women, it all ancestral. Started
to come down into all thetoolkits. And, you know, some people

(22:16):
don't want to go there, andthat's fine. But for me, as much
as it was, and I know you canrelate to this because afraid of
the pain. If we can getthrough it. I was just a warrior
getting through so much pain.But now on the other side, the wisdom,
the integrity, the who I am,even my creative projects are so

(22:38):
authentic that even if someonewants to steal something, because
everybody's always wanting to,in my past, steal things, they can
never steal the wholeblueprint. They'll never get there
as much as they want. They cankeep trying over and over again,
and it's sad that they wouldwant to do that. I've always been
a collaborator like. Like thetap dancing group, like those black

(22:59):
men, they were collaborators.They were actual real heart tribe.
They weren't fake. They didn'tbackstab each other. They were always
for each other. They were likea family. And when you were invited
into that family, they treatedyou as one. Not because of your skin
color, but because yourenergy. And honestly, all these years

(23:21):
later, I've grown out ofdifferent tribes with narcissists
and male. No offense, but maleegos and this and that. I appreciate
now so much more. That tribein my 20s, you know, and I. They're
on the other side now. And allI can say every day is, thank you,
Jimmy Slide. Thank you,Gregory Hines. They come through
my work because they imprintedsomething in me that when you meet

(23:44):
genuine, authentic people, foryour best interest, this is what
we have to get back to youKnow in America why we do what we
do for the best interest ofnot just I make money, but that we're
doing something that helpsserve our community.
Which is a great thing. Whichis a great thing. And I tell you

(24:08):
what, some of my favorite alltime heroes are. Gene Kelly, Gregory
Hines, Mikal Baryshnikov, alltap dancing. Donald o', Connor, the
list goes on. Are my favoritemovies, my favorite thing. Two black
brothers. I can't remember thename off top of my head.
Nicholson brothers.
Yes. That were like absolutelyphenomenal. And each movement going

(24:31):
up the stairs, back down thestairs was like on mark. It's just
amazing. So.
Yes, yes. Oh, yeah.
You carry that within you andyou brought it forward from you and
you found that withinyourself. You know, that in itself
is like profound. It's amazingbecause again, that that form of
entertainment I think speaksto us. If you really pay attention.

(24:54):
Yeah, you gotta really payattention. Which is. Yeah, that,
that. We'll save that for adifferent conversation. Yeah, you
can come back and we'll talkabout that show business.
I would love that.
What surprised you about.About yourself when you began to
reclaim your body and yourwork and understanding? I, I was
introduced. My brain's going100 miles a minute. I was introduced

(25:15):
to intergenerational trauma anumber of years ago and I had never
been familiar with thatbefore. And I started understanding
what it was. And then the moreI got involved with understanding
intergenerational trauma andhow it carries forward and how it's
a perpetual loop until youdecide to break that loop, you have

(25:35):
to put a stop to it. Not youdirectly, but you, as we're speaking
as an individual, youindividually have to recognize it
and then have to understandthat you have the power to change
that from continuing down theline kind of situation. So that's
a long way of getting around.What surprised you about yourself
and as you began to reclaimyour body and understanding your

(25:56):
voice based out of thatintergenerational trauma?
I think so, yeah. Well, I.What I want to share with that is
when my father passed away andhe was like, you have to go deeper
into this toolkit. We've gotto throw away a few tools. We got
to add a few tools. Like, hewas literally directing me. He would
literally turn on thecomputer, Michael, and he would put

(26:19):
up something and he's like,you have to go to her. So I would
go to this practitioner in abuilding that nobody really was in,
but it was the building thatmy mother went to elementary school
in. No joke. I mean, it Wasthat so many connections is I had
so much fear in my body and somuch fear in my soul database from

(26:41):
all these women. And my fatherreally knew that and I needed to
get it out. I had a very deepconnection to Mother Mary. I had
a very deep connection to theDivine Mother. I would ask them questions
before I would navigate indoing something in my business. And
I want to share this because alot of this is not spoken online

(27:04):
about. So this is going to besomething that's probably different
for the audience, but I thinkis important because it's. My truth
is I was led into some warzones. I was, it was, it was a contract,
it was a sole agreement that Imade before I came here. So I was
led into some tribes that werethe slave owners from past lives.

(27:30):
And I was seeing repeatedpsychology and behavioral patterns.
And the only thing I can sayis when we have a failed mental health
system, which we do, and wehad a system up until recently that
really supported predators fora long time in the psychology world,
then we're going to have themsort of be able to still mask it

(27:53):
up. But now the masks arecoming off. They're really being
stripped away right now andpeople are really being required
to go within. Why would myfather or the Divine Mother set me
up to go into thesechallenging places where I am this
pure hearted soul andeventually being taken advantage

(28:13):
of and being psychicallyattacked? It was to learn a skill
set and I had to learn it. Itwas not easy and it was not fun.
And so instead of me saying,oh, I attracted that in or oh, you
know, I'm repeating a pattern.No, I actually wasn't because I had

(28:33):
meditated before going intothis sort of job, you know, tribe
or this sort of position. Andat first when I would come across
the narcissisms and all that,I'd be like upset with the Divine
Mother, like, why are youdoing this? And then I was like,
you're being trained. And Ithink, actually I've never voiced

(28:54):
this until now. I think the,this is going to make sense. You
being in your background as acop. I had to be trained so that
when I get to the next levelin my career that I know I can feel
it and I'm not afraid of it,but I can walk away quickly and go,
no. Does that make sense?
Absolutely makes sense. It'sa. Basically it's a, it's a. Your

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mind, your body and your soulautomatically react the way you want
it to and it automaticallytakes the step it needs to take in
Order to protect you. So, yes,I think that. Absolutely understand
it from that point.
So before that, beforerewiring the trauma out, like some
of this shaking and that thenyour instincts can be questionable.

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They didn't want it to bequestionable moving forward and they
wanted me to clear it out sothat I can change the legacy of me
moving forward.
That makes sense. Yeah. Don'thesitate. I mean, the cops do that.
They do that now. That's whyyou will see cops when you, you could
know it's a cop when you watchhim walking, him or her walk into
a restaurant. They go to theback of the restaurant, they go to

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their back to the wall, andthen they start watching everybody
that comes in. Because youplay a game all the time. What if,
what if, what if, what if,what am I going to do? What am I
going to do? So that you'reconstantly ready. And that's kind
of, I think they gave you thewhat if this happens? What am I going
to do? So that it's already inyour brain. You don't have to question

(30:22):
it. It's an automatic reactionwhich I think is like, yeah.
And so that's so wonderful.Like, so all that bullying, I had
to clear it out. I had toclear out all that to really. And
so I want to share thatbecause sometimes I think for victims,
they may blame themselves alot. Don't blame yourself. Learn.
Get the toolkit to clear outwhatever you need to clear out to

(30:45):
get to the next stage. Becauseif you look online, we've got a lot
of narcissists and psychopathslike, sort of like crumbling. So
it's not your fault. You knowwhat I mean? It's just we're in a
new time period where we'retrying to clean out all this darkness
so we can get more light onthe stages, more authenticness on
the stages.
So yeah, yeah, it works. Itworks, it works. It's a method. It's

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a method. Your storytellingblends pop culture and personal history
and spiritual insight. From aperforming arts background. How did
that shape your healing path?Because I mentioned you earlier before
we started that, you know,when I went back to university, I
got really involved in the useof creative arts and healing. And

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I have a really deepunderstanding with regard to how
music and dance and drama andart can actually help us to heal.
Yeah. You know, it's so funny.When I left show business and came
back to Pittsburgh, I wasasked to do a one woman show at Civic
Light Opera. And then I wasdoing shows around the city for Schools.

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But I wanted nothing to dowith show business. I wanted nothing
to do with stage. I was like,I'm done. I'm done. And I think it
was because the masks were on.And then I went through this whole
journey, the Dorothy, youknow, this whole journey. You know,
I talk about the Scarecrowbeing, you know, getting my mind
back, empowering myself. Italk about the Tin man finding my

(32:15):
heart, healing my heart, thelion finding my protective skill
sets, the martial arts in me,you know, and now I think that's
what my father wanted, too. Hewanted me to go back into the fun,
into the creativity, and say,okay, you've learned all this stuff
about trauma. You know itinside and out. How can we use music?
And so I started writingsongs. I started downloading them,

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just like I would tap rhythms.And it became easy. I mean, it takes
practice. But so I'm going tobe producing songs this year, and
they're about my ancestorsand. And, you know, it's time. It's
time to use that channel. I'mexcited to write another one woman
show, you know, and. And stepback on stage with some humor as

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well as some stories that arechallenging and stuff like that.
So now it's funny because nowI'm ready for the stage again.
And I think you'll be able totell those stories more authentically,
I think, with theunderstanding that you have now.
Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah, I think that works. Youoften critique modern American culture
from sugar addiction. Glycos.

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Let me try Glyphosate.
English.
Glyphosate.
Let's try that in English.Yes. To emotional numbness. What
do you think we're missingabout the connection between what
we consume and who we become?Because I think I have a deep understanding
with this because I changed mydiet dramatically to heal my autoimmune

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disease. Manage it. I haven'tquite healed. It doesn't ever go
away. Go away. But I do manageit with my diet and what I eat and
the stuff that I put. Put inmy body and, you know, you would
never know I was 90, right.
I love it. You look fabulousfor 90.
We're fabulous. Billy Crystal.I can't say it like Billy Crystal,

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but, yeah, from thatperspective, let's talk about.
So, yeah, I mean, food wassort of used as a tool to numb for
me for so long. And I'mwriting some stuff on the kitchen
in my sugar addiction and justsort of trying to help people interrelate
to the roles we play in thekitchen, you know, and what's going

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on in the kitchen. But overthe years, it was like in the last,
probably 10 years of startingto learn. You know, I hate to say
these words, detox, fasting,but they give you the terminology.
We've got sugar in so manyproducts at the grocery store, cane
sugar. And a lot of peoplethink it's a gluten free issue when

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it's really the glyphosateissue, which is now coming full front
with forever chemicals in ourwater. And forever chemicals isn't
one chemical. That label'slooped into 12,000 chemicals. So
doing the trauma coaching, Igot people on a clean water and then
a medical grade water is thisJapanese medical device that's been

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used in their hospitals forover 63 years. And I'm thinking to
myself, I'm sitting acrossfrom doctors, scientists, chemists,
and they know nothing aboutthis. They know nothing about 2.7
electrolytes, reduced waterkills aids, E. Coli, SARS within
7 minutes. So I started to usewaters to heal infections that come
up to clear out and thenstarted doing water fastings. The

(35:40):
issue that I have with peopleis, you know, do you really know
what's in your water rightnow? Do you know what's in your tea?
Do you know what's, how you'recleaning your food? And it seems
like the more stuff we have inAmerica, the more distractions. It's
like we almost have to go backto the basics. And that's really

(36:02):
hard because somebody's makinga lot of money off of plastic things,
plastic bottles, plasticeverything. And so for me, when you
start to detox anything likesugar or carbs, and you get on certain
protocols and sometimes you doneed a coach for that, you're gonna

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experience emotions likesugar. Getting off of sugar was like
getting off of cocaine. Forme. It was like shaking fevers. It
was hardcore. And I can saynow I don't crave it at all. Like,
I don't feel like, oh, I'mdeprived because I actually really

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enjoy feeling so healthy andyounger. And my body's actually more
flexible than it was when Iwas a dancer. I'm not in pain. So
I know that my formulas areworking, but it took time. You know,
you tweak them, you go, okay,this doesn't work. So I think for,
I don't know what's going totake. For America, wake up. Because

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there's a, a laziness that canhappen. It's like sometimes you actually
have to hit rock bottom or youhave to have a disaster happen. And
that's what pushes you to Go.No way, man. Like, with the last,
you know, tribe that I wassort of attacking me, I was like,
no way. I'm done with this.And that's when you step into some

(37:27):
more power. You step into moreof who you are, and you're working
with something higher. So, youknow. But. Yeah. So I don't know
if I went off track there a little.
Absolutely. I mean, there's anepidemic in America, and I've talked
about it on this podcastbefore on this program. You know,
there's an epidemic of sugarin this world, basically, but primarily

(37:50):
in the United States. I'mgoing through chef training at the
moment, and most of it isItalian and French. In Spanish from
Spain. These are the lessons.And the Italian chefs, and they are
French chefs, and there'schefs from Spain. The interesting

(38:12):
thing about them is this. Whenyou go through one of the classes,
they talk about a pinch ofsugar like this. See? A little bit
of sugar. This right here. Putthis in here. And then you take that
to an American class that Itook in regard to making something
as simple as healthy veganburgers. Okay.

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Okay.
And he dumps the salt and thesugar in there. By the. By the almost
cupful. It is. The comparisonis a pinch to a quarter or a half
a cup. And you understand thatreally disparity in all of that.
I was grateful to grow up inan environment a little off track,

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but it's along the same lines.My parents, especially my mother,
so my mother's fromMississippi. Her parents were from
Mississippi, West Virginia.You know, that arena from my mother's
side. And the food, forexample, and my grandmother on my

(39:20):
grandmother's side, my aunts,my uncles, and everybody from that
side of the family, okay,would eat Southern cooking, and it
would be pork chops, fried,and lard and mashed potato. It's.
It's. Yeah, you see, you cansee my face going. You know, they
put mashed potatoes, and thenthey put gravy and butter on top

(39:43):
of that.
Yeah.
You know, kind of a thing. Youknow, the other thing they're missing
is the cigarette hanging outwith the ash.
Right. I totally get it.
But, yeah, it's interestingbecause When I was 11 years old,
my sister married a guy fromRome. And I'm talking about true
Roman, and he spoke hardly anyEnglish. She had friends over, and

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there was. We all lived in thesame apartment complex. There were
four buildings. We filled thebuildings. He filled the buildings.
And I grew up, and I embracedthat Mediterranean Italian culture
and how they eat. And I walkedaway from my mother's. Upset my mother.
But you know, I would beeating my sisters in Giovanni's house

(40:25):
and Susan Russo's house andyou know, you name it, it was there.
My first job was in a two guysfrom Italy pizzeria. They actually
were two guys from Italy, youknow, kind of a thing. So. And then
we'd all eat afterwards. Ilearned the value of good food and
the value of cooking and howyou put love and care into to it.

(40:47):
You can't see my hands movingas I'm preparing our make believe
dinner here.
Yeah.
You know what I mean? And thenecessity to not over salt over sugar.
You know, minute you don'tdrown pasta in sauce if you want
to Margot sauce. It's nice andit's light and it, you know, a little
bit and you blend all theseflavors together. And I started,

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I grew up from 11 years old onand I've never stopped. And I don't,
I hate, I hate anything that'sover over sweet. I don't do over
sweet. I don't do over salted.I don't do over seasoned. On and
on and on. And you. The healthdifference and the benefits of that
are immense. But you don't seeit in the United States.

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I think that my dad set upthis today because he grew up. We
grew up with an Italianrestaurant in the family. There was
a lot of wars on that side ofthe family family. But I totally.
And they were originally fromItaly. And I totally get what you're
saying. I think it's the lossof the land. I mean one thing that
goes into a little bit of thedifferent direction but ancestrally

(41:55):
is. So I was born in the stateof Pa, Pennsylvania. And so I always
say there's a mourn, even ifyou don't know it. And throughout
learning about water andlearning about like the corruption
of water. Water. Why do wehave all these filtration systems
and none of them are certifiedto take out forever chemicals? How
can we let that happen? Whyare we, why is, why is this not being

(42:18):
tested locally? Well, Istarted to learn and I'm working
on a TED talk for this. So I'mputting it out there. People, anybody
in a state that wants to hireme, do a TED Talk. It's going to
be one of a kind, but it's on.The state of Pa had healing waters.
They had healing waters in the1700s. And really they're called

(42:38):
Frankfurt mineral springs,which is an interesting word because
it's like the Germans cameover, killed the native Americans,
stole The water. And I'mliterally showing you, you can't
find this. It's not verycommon. But I'm not making this up.
It's actually documented. So Ihave documents. And I'm like a little
bit of the mod. Aaron. Barack,obviously. You know, I went into

(43:02):
the local police stationoffice in the park and said, hey,
is there any literature hereabout this land? That's, you know,
and they're like, oh,actually, I think we have something
in the back. So I had to go inthe back room to grab this documentation
right here. So I started toinvestigate because, you know, this

(43:25):
is healing your insideancestral roots. You know, why. Why
am I in this city? Where'sthe. What's this connection to America?
And my interpretation, nobodyhas to agree with it, but nobody's
talking about it either, isthat not only did. Well, they stole
the water, they built a hugeresort where everybody around the
world who was elite and richwould come to stay at and dance and

(43:48):
jazz music and they woulddrink the healing water out of glass
containers. All documented.And this began the medical journaling
in government. And to me, whenI go through some of these names
historically, because this isconnecting into the Civil War, you
know, this is connecting intothe different characters I know from

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my family. This is thebeginning of how they commercialized
water, which is now In Americaalone, 50, 50 billion plastic water
bottles sold a year. We knowplastic's now going into our bloodstream.
We know it's affecting thesoil, that we should be nurturing
our soil to have nutrients forthe fruits and the vegetables and

(44:34):
making our food. And so I justdid a post on this recently, Michael,
just a couple days ago in thePittsburgh paper, they've noted 5
million people having foreverchemicals from Pittsburgh to Ohio
to West Virginia. And guesswhat they want to do? They just want
to do some research at theuniversity. They're going to give

(44:54):
a $5 million grant. And mything is, I've been 10 years. I've
been lecturing for water foryears. I've been using two different
companies. And my thing is,why not use that 5 million and buy
some of these water systemsthat I work with and heal people
and then like, duplicate that?Can we duplicate healing? And can
we get out what we knowalready are products that have forever

(45:18):
chemicals? Why are you havingthem in your universities to begin
with? You're so smart. Like,it's just so. It's so in our face
now. But because I've done somuch research, it's not just like,
oh, I drink this water I'mgoing to sell you a water system.
It's not just that it's likewe shouldn't be, we shouldn't have
to do this to begin with, butwe have to. It's the reality of it.

(45:41):
It's just like you said withAmerica. I can't go to the grocery
store and purchase a lot ofstuff there. It's toxic, it's in
plastic container. It's dead.
Yeah, don't come to. If youever come to Arizona, don't drink
the water, don't. I gotta stayhere. Because if you. Well, you wouldn't
be because you understand it,but. But astounded by what's in that

(46:03):
water and the limits that areallowing in the water that are just
above the federal levelallowed, they're just above that.
I mean like within a very,very minimal percentile. And it's
like, don't. And you shouldsee the rate of cancer down here,
the rate of brain tumors downhere, the rate of stomach cancers,

(46:24):
colon cancers. It is just. Itblows me away. And so, yeah, I can
agree with that.
I have a large. That's themothers in America right now. And
I don't think they're gettingpaid enough, to be honest with you.
I don't think they're doingthe underground zoom talks because
you know, you can only saycertain things online. Politically,

(46:47):
they're taking down this,they're taking down that. But it's
like these mothers are theones that are really educating on
proper filtration. The onecompany I want to sound salesy, but
the one company I work for isin Vegas. It's multi pure. They're
cost effective, but they haveall their certifications. They're

(47:09):
not online every five minutesthough, because they're not backed
by big corporations. Nobodyknows them and nobody knows how to
shop for them. And then theJapanese medical device, that's a
whole other system that is sadto me that our medical system, especially
even in wound care, because Iknow your profession, even in wound
care, what you can do withsome of these waters. It's just mind

(47:30):
blowing. And so it's hard totake the system seriously when you
know all this stuff. You knowwhat I mean? But it's really the
mothers. And so I send thatmessage out there today. If there's
anybody listening interestedin the water systems, contact me.
Michael has the information. Igive out a 5% discount code for the
clean filter company. And thatsort of allows you. That company

(47:54):
does free every month. Everymonth you can jump on with a water
specialist and learn aboutwhat's happening in America? Oh,
this is what I wanted to say.What I wanted to say was these mothers,
when they're working with kidsor clients that have sick kids, sometimes,
you know, money is tight, youknow, because they're trying to get

(48:14):
the supplements, they'retrying to get other things they will
spend. Because you have toactually spend 800 to $1,000 to test
your water properly, to geteverything that's in your water.
You don't get it from themain. And you would be shocked at
the illegal counts of arsenic.
Oh, I wouldn't be shocked. Itold you. Phoenix, Arizona, arsenic

(48:38):
is like 2 millimeters abovewhat it's supposed to be. I mean,
when I say millimeters, it'snot in millimeters, but you know
what I'm saying? It's likethat close to being just at that
level. If somebody wouldcough, it would drop right down below
the danger. And it's like,well, this close is just as dangerous
as being underneath that line.So, yeah. And look, I'm grateful

(49:03):
we grew up in a place inColorado. Kids grew up in this place
before we moved here. I toldyou, we lived up at 8,500ft. The
water in Colorado was so muchbetter, especially coming from up
in the mountains like that.It's filtered better. It was. It
tastes better, is more healthyfor you. You can taste the difference.
We go back home, we have waterfrom back home. You come back down

(49:25):
here, you would. Well, I wouldspit it out anyway. But, you know,
you take that water, you takethat water, you take a sip down here,
and you kind of go, what theheck That I just put in my mouth.
So. Yes. Yeah, I definitelyunderstand that. Absolutely.
Yeah. So that's one of, like,one of many missions I have, is water
education. Trying to getplumbers on board, too, as teams,

(49:46):
because they're educated inthe other aspect of it. How do you.
Kitchen. How do you gather?You know?
Yep, yep, I agree with that.Speaking of things like that, you
created a medical meditationprogram that is very different from
the mainstream practices. Whatmakes your approach kind of unique
and help us understand what it is?

(50:09):
So the medical meditations,there are different programs for
these labels. Adhd, childhoodtrauma. I cannot say I completely
created them on my own. Therewas a psychiatrist who did a lot
of the clinical research inCalifornia, and I'm sort of taking
that to the next level ofthese medical meditations. I think
what makes them different isthat you're like. You're doing different

(50:34):
finger placements, kind oflike learning the piano. You're Doing
different breath patterns.You're doing different sounds at
times, kind of like singing.So you are the instrument in rewiring,
releasing and knowing thyself.Not just all the sort of trial this
life, but maybe ancestrally.So I just find them to be honestly

(50:58):
magical. I've had clients allover the world who have done pretty
much everything under the sun.I tend to be that type of person
that has gotten clients in thepast that have hit that rock bottom,
you know, in differentcircumstances. But what I love about
it is it's like you are the.You're the tool. It's not like I'm

(51:18):
just putting my hands on youand doing energy work, which I can
do. But then you go home andif you haven't built a skill set
for yourself, what are yougoing to do if another narcissist
comes at your door? Or how areyou going to make choices for yourself?
But when you sit and you'relearning these meditations, it's
teaching you skill sets. Sopeople advance in creativity, intuition,

(51:41):
and just like you, they'relearning new stuff. They change careers,
they develop theirrelationships, become more intimate.
I love doing some of thebreathwork couples so that they can
build more intimacy together,build more happiness together. So
it's things like that, it'sthe interaction, interconnection.
They're not. It's nottranscendental, where you're just

(52:03):
sitting and you're trying toclear the mind. This is actual sort
of computery rewiringadvancement to then eventually get
to transcendental, whereyou're very clear and blissful and
at peace. So I hope that makesa little bit of sense.
It does make a lot of sense,actually. I think that we all have

(52:24):
to kind of. I mean, I call itredefining our purpose, redefining
our direction in life. Youknow, sometimes we have to readjust
whole aspects of our liveswhen we take a different path and
it's like we learn something.
Actually, one thing, not tointerrupt you, but on my YouTube
channel, Heather and Fairy,there's two free playlists. They're

(52:47):
absolutely free. They're likea college course. One is Breathwork
for leadership, mastering yournervous system. It's nine videos.
And it's not just learningbreath work, like one nostril breathing
and fire breath. I talk aboutthe psychology you want to pay attention
to. So you're going to get alittle notebook and pretend like
it's a class, like it's acourse college. And then the second

(53:10):
breath work series isBreathwork. It's for trauma, stress,
Emotional pain. And that's toprepare you if you're interested
in doing the more advancedbrain work with me. And I wanted
to give that out so peoplecould start to understand what this
feels like and start to becomethe student and understand that what's

(53:33):
interesting about brainminutes a day sort of reboots you
into the present moment, helpsyou release. Okay, I'm thinking about
this too much. I need to letit go.
Well, I think that wesometimes don't understand. There
are those of us that do,obviously, but in general, we don't
understand that breath andsimple things like breathing, simple

(53:55):
things like water, simplethings like hydration, proper hydration
with the proper water, how allof the sugar sold, other things that
we put into our bodies have anegative effect, have a positive
effect, have a negativeeffect. And sometimes when the negative
outweighs the positive, youhave to make adjustments. And that

(54:17):
includes the way you breathe,the way you sleep, the way you eat,
how you think in your approachto different things. So I think that.
That I think gives us anopportunity to explore those playlists
in order to kind of have abetter understanding together.
Yeah, beautifully said.

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You said that creativity is anessential catalyst for rediscovering
our inner child's voice. Whyis creativity so central to healing
like that? As you probably cantell, I love creativity.
Well, it's the first thingthat I find that's blocked with people
when they start to releasetraumas, you know, because there
was something inside thatlittle child, boy or girl, that felt

(55:01):
shamed or fear or bullied orshut down. And so once they start
to release and they start toshow it, you know, I channel Mr.
Rogers from Mr. Rogersneighborhood. So he came in after
my father died too, and hehelped me through a lot, a lot of
deep childhood stuff, becauseI was bullied a lot. I was bullied

(55:26):
a lot in a lot of differentcircumstances because I was so pure
hearted. And a lot of peopledon't realize Mr. Rogers kind of
protect. He believed in thecreative geniuses of children. Of
course, that's in adults, butthen adults sometimes mask it up.
They become programmed in acertain way. They become bitter.
And so it's really beautifulto watch people unravel. And creativity,

(55:48):
like you said, it can be inthe kitchen, it can be sewing, it
can be painting. It can evenbe, like, different. I grew up in
construction too, justapproaching it differently from a
more holistic point of view.So that's what. It's exciting when
I start to see people tap intoit and sometimes they use music or
singing to just help them getinto, oh, I want to use my voice

(56:12):
differently with mypartnership, or I want to use my
voice differently as a leaderat work. So I've had CEOs do chanting
and. And then that sort ofchanting then helps them speak differently
to their teams at work. Andit's really kind of fun to see how
you can use these creatives indifferent scenarios that you wouldn't

(56:34):
say are traditional.
Yeah, I think that sometimeswe just have to take a pause for
a moment to recognize justthat in specific. I mean, sometimes
life is chaotic these days,and everybody wants instantaneous
gratification. They want itinstantaneously. But sometimes we

(56:56):
have to take a breath andreally take a moment to kind of recognize
what's in front of us, takeour time getting to it. Don't rush
everything. And I mean,everything we just talked about.
You can't get an instant fix.It takes time to heal. It took me
time to learn to walk again.Took you time to learn to walk again.

(57:16):
It. It is same thing with ourbreathing, same thing with our body,
same thing with connecting andreconnecting. And I think it just
takes a little time, one stepat a time, and we can achieve what
we need to achieve. And I wishwe had more. If I can touch on this
just a little bit real quick.Your work touches deeply on ancestry

(57:38):
and on the stories that weinherit and on those wounds passed
down through differentgenerations. The energetic intergenerational
trauma that we've spokenabout. This show was kind of born
from part of that idea that wecould wish we could always say something
that we didn't get to say tosomeone we've lost and things like
that. How do you think thathelps us to heal intergenerational

(58:02):
trauma? And having thatunderstanding that maybe we can go
back and talk to our ancestorsand. And kind of forgive them or
say, I don't want thisanymore, or, you know, how would
that kind of play into that?
Oh, that's such a beautiful,beautiful question. And because I
think that's some of where myspiritual counseling is coming in

(58:25):
now with people, is helpingthem tap into the other ancestor
or giving them a meditationto. Then they have a dream state.
A dream happens where anancestor comes through. For me personally,
having the experience with myfather opened up the door for me
to be able to start to hearand connect to the other side. I

(58:47):
did have relatives on theother side come in and ask for forgiveness
for not recognizing that theydid not protect me as a child. And
these were three specificrelatives that were very close to
my heart. So it really meantsomething to me within my ancestors,

(59:09):
too. Me healinggenerationally, me being authentically
happy, me being able to moveforward the way I'm moving forward
in my life, it affects them.They're watching, they're feeling
it. I wish more people inAmerica specifically would connect

(59:33):
with their ancestors more tounderstand that they're there, the
higher conscious ones, andthat we're not just here for a blip
of a time. You know, as faras, like, the regrets or I wish I
could have said this, or wishI could have said that. That's like,
those things are deep forpeople, you know, I had a scientist

(59:53):
as a client who didn't believein much of anything, but we were
doing brain work, and she hadsome issues with her mother's death.
And I started to just use thishealing chant in the session, and
I had her close her eyes. Andas I was chanting this healing chant,
she heard a dialogue with hermother on the other side, and she

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started to cry. And afterthat, she believed I was a healer,
which she didn't believe,which was fine. But she also believed
in the gift of connecting. Sopart of my gift is my energy when
I'm with a client, awakens thepossibility of them connecting to

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their ancestral lineage. Doesthat make sense? And that's the spiritual
counseling that I do more nowthan the trauma work. One on one
is it's just energy. Andbecause I'm an open channel, they
get to experience that, andthen the channel opens for them,
or it could happen the nextday or a week from there, and they

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start to experience things,and they start to go, oh, I can't
question this, you know,because I'm not questioning this,
you know, the magic of it. Youknow, even with my. My father, there
was things that he wasdirecting me to clean up for myself
so I could have a better life.And so he was doing that on the other

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side. And I was able to. Hecome from a lineage of a lot of healers,
ancient healers in my lineage,too. Even though there was a lot
of slavery, they were slavingthem because they were jealous or
they wanted to take theirlight. Just like this, sort of when
we hurt children, children allthe time, we're trying to take their
light. So, you know, I want tosay this message too, because some

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people might not have a goodrelationship with a parent or a person,
and they have to heal and theyhave to move on. But it doesn't mean
that at some point in yourhealing journey that that soul will
come in on the other side andtry to make it right. And I can honestly
say, and I'm almost, I'm goingto tear up but I have healed my wounds

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with my father on the otherside which is.
That's great. That'sbrilliant. Actually. I'm happy you
were able to do that becausesometimes when we hold on to that
too long it has a negativeeffect on us and it really does is
like something sitting insidejust kind of aching to get out and.

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And so I'm happy that you wereable to do that. Before we wrap up,
I want to give you a moment toshare your work with our listeners
and our viewers so that theycan find you and your programs and
your storytelling and yourplaylist and your healing and everything
else we talked about. So tellus how we can get ahold of you.
Well, the best way to reachout to me if you go on heatheranferry.com

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I have an emailumatter108mail.com I'm doing something
a little different with mybook recently. For those of you who
do have an interest in buyingit on Amazon, you see it on the screen
transcending victim togoddess. If you email me your order
number once you've purchasedit, I will send you a 26 minute private

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video of me teaching themeditations in that book. The reason
why I wanted to gift for thosewho support my work is I wanted you
to be a part of my communityand my mailing list. Not so I can
send out emails every weekbecause I won't do that. But it's
just an activation. The way Imet Jimmy Slide in the Tap Club.
It lets you be on my mailinglist. If you're interested in water

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system education or zoomworkshops or retreats or even my
one woman show or my music onSpotify. The only thing about Amazon
is I don't get to see thepeople that purchased the book. And
so I wanted to sort of make arelationship, an intimate connection
with that. So I wanted tooffer that to you out there. My social

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media stuff is YouTube, it'sFacebook, it's LinkedIn. Heather
Annferry is how you reach outto me. But there is a lot of stuff
happening behind the scenes.So I would also get on the email
list and tell me who you are,tell me what you're about, what you're
interested in. And thatactivation, it's connecting the dots.

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So thank you so much Michaelfor allowing me to share some of
my story today and reallyusing my voice. We talked about some
intimate stuff before we goton. And I really cherish you and
your work. I think you're anincredible human being and this was
a healing for me today. Sothank you.
Yeah, I'm happy that it wasthe healing for you today. It was

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for me as well, profound. Yourjourney in itself, I think is a wonderful
opportunity for us tounderstand that there's always hope
and that we can always stepforward. And so thank you for coming
on board. Thank you forreaching out to me. That must have
been your father that put the.Hey, check this out.
Definitely.

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Well, this is one more thingbefore you go. And I always close
with words of wisdom. Whatwould you like to leave for those
walking a similar path orthose that need healing or searching,
trying to rebuild our livesfrom the inside out and things like
that? What words of wisdom?
I would say that, you know,the first time I invested in myself

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and went to an energy healer,I was scared to death and I had so
much baggage over spendingmoney on myself. You know, it was
a foreign subject matter froma blue collar family. So if you're
listening to this today, youmatter. That's like my email. You
matter 108. Butumatter108mail.com you matter. And

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no matter what anybody elsesays, you're worth it. So one step
at a time, do what you need todo, but continue to love yourself.
And hopefully if something inthis, you know, conversation with
me, Michael, resonates, you'llbecome a part of our communities.
And that's how we grow. Wegrow by working and sharing what
we can with each other.

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Profound words of wisdom.Heather, thank you very much for
your courage, your honesty,your storytelling, and your willingness
to bring your whole self tothis conversation. I greatly appreciate
it.
Thank you, Michael.
Listening to Heather, you'rereminded that the body is not just
a vessel, it's a storyteller.It remembers the things we try to

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forget. It carries the woundswe inherited. It holds the stories
we were never taught to speak.But it also remembers how to heal,
how to reconnect, how torebuild the parts of us that were
never meant to be broken.Maybe that's the real lesson here.
Healing isn't about becomingsomeone new. It's about returning
to who we were before theworld taught us to forget ourselves.

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So that's a wrap for today'sepisode. I hope you found inspiration,
motivation, and a few newperspectives to take with you. If
you enjoyed this conversation,be sure to, like, subscribe and follow
us and stay connected. You canfind us on Apple, Spotify, or your
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catch the full video version.I'm Michael Hurst. Have a great day,

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