September 30, 2025 • 37 mins
Cenobio Rayos II, known in the music world as "The Hare Trigga," reveals his extraordinary journey of resilience that reads like a Hollywood screenplay. Cenobio's path took him through addiction, homelessness, and profound loss before a moment of terrifying clarity changed everything. Unable to stop using even with police lights shining directly on him, he realized he'd completely lost control. "I no longer had power over my own body," he shares with raw honesty.
This turning point, combined with his mother's own recovery journey and memories of his father's struggles with heroin, propelled Cenobio toward rehabilitation. He chose the difficult path of detoxing without medication. "Sometimes we have to walk back through the flames when we were welcomed through them the first time," he explains, capturing the paradoxical nature of healing.
Throughout his darkest moments, music remained his constant. From childhood poetry to freestyle battles, Cenobio learned that he had natural talent and transformed rap from a casual interest into his lifeline and salvation. Today, with 19 years of sobriety and collaborations with hip-hop industry veterans, Cenobio uses his platform to inspire others facing similar struggles. His new album "Journey of my Darkness" represents both his personal odyssey and his mission to reach those still fighting their own battles.
This episode offers a powerful reminder that no matter how far you fall, redemption is always within reach. As Cenobio puts it with quiet confidence: "God isn't finished with me yet."
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Speaker 1 (00:23):
Welcome back to Out of the Blue, the podcast where
real people share real storiesof resilience, transformation
and the power of the humanspirit.
I'm your host, vernon West, andjoining me today is my son and
co-host, vernon West III, agifted musician who created our
logo and theme song.
Today's guest is a man whoselife reads like a movie, one
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filled with pain, purpose and anincredible comeback.
His name is Sinobio Rios II,but in the music world, he's
known as the hair trigger.
Diagnosed with autism and ADHDat age five, sinobio struggled
through addiction, homelessnessand deep personal loss, but
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through all of it, one thingkept him going music.
Rap became his lifeline, hisanti-drug, and it led him from
the streets to the studio andultimately to sobriety.
This past March, he celebrated19 years clean March.
He celebrated 19 years cleanToday.
He's collaborated with legendslike Snoop Dogg, stevie Stone,
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lazy Bone, bizarre and the lateDMX, and his highly anticipated
album Journey of my Darknessdropped September 30th 2025.
His story is raw, real and apowerful reminder that, no
matter how far you fall,redemption is always within
reach.
Let's welcome the hair trigger,sinobio Rios.
Hi, sinobio, how are you doing?
Speaker 2 (01:57):
I'm doing.
Great Thanks for having me.
How are you?
Speaker 1 (01:59):
So great Myself, good to see you, nice to meet you.
And yeah, where we usuallystart is the first thing we ask
is basically what would you sayis the eye of the blue event
that, had it not happened, youwould not be here today, if I
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didn't ever got sober, none ofthis would be possible.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
That's beautiful, I most definitely.
Sobriety was definitely acornerstone.
I was going down such a darkroad I.
I had to do something, and thething is, you know, growing up
my father also struggled withhis own sobriety, but he got
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sober off of heroin, and Iremember him telling me about
how he got clean, and you knowhow important it was for him to
set that example for us.
He may not have been perfect,but he did do that much for me,
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and so when I started going downthat same rabbit hole and I
noticed what heroin was, it was,you know, I got tricked into
doing it a couple times orwhatever.
Never really got addicted to itthough, because that was the
one thing my dad drilled in myhead was never get on that stuff
.
And that's when I realizedwhere I was at was the bottom,
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you know.
That's when I realized like,hey, man, this is taking over my
life, and it's like I wasn'teven in control, you know, I
just would go on autopilot, andit just took over and the beast
drove the bus, you know, andit's like at what point did I
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get to that?
To where I no longer had thatcontrol, and that scared the
shit out of me.
Wow the moment of truth.
It did.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
It was a moment of truth.
It scared me straight, you know.
It scared me to want to getstraight.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Wow, the moment of truth.
It did.
It was a moment of truth.
It scared me, straight, youknow.
It scared me to want to getstraight.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Right.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
I had tried a couple of times on my own to get clean,
you know, and I would.
I would go maybe a month, twomonths, relapse Dang.
You know what am I doing wrong?
I started going to meetings andit took me going ahead and
checking myself into a rehab.
I remember the intake workersaying did you want outpatient
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or inpatient treatment?
I said, if you give meoutpatient treatment, I'm going
to go home and still do thisstuff.
The point is that I need to getoff this stuff.
You need to lock me up in aplace where I can't do it.
Give me a good, honest shot.
Give myself that honest shot.
You know, and it's crazy howsometimes, when we're lost in
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our journeys, we stumble uponthe greatest thought and never
even realize it.
We realize that we really areturning out for help and that at
some point it no longerband-aids or medicates that void
.
That void has become too bigand too deep and shallow at the
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same time, and it's like thatmoment sometimes doesn't scare
people straight.
We have a lot of people who diefrom addiction every day.
It's that truth of it, thenature of the beast.
Some people only do it one timeand end up dying.
I'm very fortunate that thatdidn't happen to me.
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I never did overdose oranything like that, but it was
the police, the police.
I was in the backwoods and Iwas getting hot and this cop had
his spotlight on me and Irealized I couldn't quit hitting
that stupid pipe, even with thecop watching me.
And that's when I realized likewow, this is really taking over
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.
You know, I no longer had thepower of my own choice over my
own body and it made me feelviolated in a way, you know,
like self violated, like how canI let myself down like that?
And I just remember praying andI'm just like god, please help
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god, please help me, but I knowgoing to jail isn't gonna help
me.
It's gonna hurt, okay, and?
that cop went one way, I'm right, yeah, and I went to my mom's
house and I went to my mom'shouse and at first I was just
trying to get more money to gethigh and she had a police
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scanner.
She knew the police were lookingfor me, they knew who I was and
I'm just like man, so she justkind of was just watching me,
you know, and then she just wassaying the right things to make
me realize she already knew thetruth and there was nothing left
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for me to do but admit it and Ihad to admit to myself that my
life had become unmanageablecompletely and I had no power,
not only over the substance butover myself, because, like I
said, she had had a year soberaround a year sober, I remember
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that and so she had been workingthe steps, so she knew how it
worked and so she was able toinfluence me in a way that
allowed me to admit my ownpowerlessness.
Once I did that, I hit my knees,I cried out to God with tears
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in my eyes and everything, and Irealized that I had hit that
bottom, you know.
And good thing my parentstaught me against drugs and all
that at a young age, becausethat's what it all goes back to
is our childhood, our roots,believe it or not, and in that
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moment I was centered in thatmoment and I realized it was now
or never.
It was now or never and that'swhere I believe that miracles
stem from is when we align ourconsciousness, our spirituality
and our mindset into the presentmoment.
That is when we begin to stepout of darkness.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
That's being here now .
That's what that is.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
The here and now.
There's a book by Eckhart Tollecalled the Power of Now.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
I read it every night , it's a good book.
Have you read it?
I read it every night.
I have it on Audible.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Heck, yeah, I go to bed listening to it.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Yeah, me too.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
I think self-help books are another great way.
You know there are freeaudiobooks on YouTube too.
You can get audiobooks if youneed to, if you can't get to a
library.
If you are like me and I'mdyslexic and reading, I don't
comprehend it, but if it's on anaudiobook, it's good.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Me too.
I'm not dyslexic, but I justfall asleep when I'm reading.
It's really terrible.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
That's how I get too.
Yeah, I'll fall asleepSometimes.
I got to reread it severaltimes.
I'll read the same page for anhour, yeah exactly that's where
I'm like I'd rather just listento it, because when somebody
talks, I receive the informationbetter I'm able to.
I'd rather just listen to it,because when somebody talks I
receive the information better,I'm able to process it better.
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And that has to go back to myautism, you know.
And the thing with that is islike that's why I'm in this
field, that's why I'm like I gotto be a musician, because I
know there are others out therejust like who maybe can't get
that information through a book.
They have to have lived it tofeel this.
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And those are my people.
Those are the people I'mreaching out to today and I'm
hoping to help influence andimpact their lives, whether
they're still in that dark placeor not.
Whether people are Christian ornot, I like are Christian or
not, I like the example of Jesus.
I'll leave it at that.
The one thing that he did washe sat with the sinners, he sat
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with the drunkards, he sat withthe whores.
He went into that dark place toshow you the way to the light.
I feel that that is one thingthat Journey in my Darkness
really is about.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
So, nobio, this is such a powerful story and very
much needed for people to hearthis.
You could be helping somebodyright now just by talking about
this stuff.
Really, I mean what a series ofwonderful out-of-the-blue
events.
Really.
Your mom got sober a yearbefore.
Really, I mean what a series ofwonderful out of the blue
events.
Really, your mom got sober ayear before and was already had
a year end sobriety.
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And you come to her and she'sright there.
She knows you're ready and shesays it's.
She gets you the detox andyou're in the detox Now.
From there, you met this guythat really helped you.
That's what we want to pick upfrom there.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
So his name is Lee and he had nine years clean off
crack.
And this guy, I mean he dressedin the best suits and
everything.
And I even asked him I said howdo you got money to do all that
?
And he said I'm not giving mymoney to the Deltman, no more.
Yep, you know how do you gotmoney to do all that and he said
I'm not giving my money to thedope man, no more.
(12:02):
Yep, you know.
And um one thing he would dohe'd wake us up at six o'clock
every morning.
We'd go up in front of themirror and he'd play that song
by michael jackson, called theman in the mirror, great song he
needed us study the lyrics ofit.
He made us, you know, write apaper on it of what it meant to
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us, and that's where I beganreally wanting to change my life
.
I really looked up to MichaelJackson as an artist, especially
as a child.
I learned how to do themoonwalk and everything, and I
to do the moonwalk andeverything, and I used to dance
for people and everything,whether it be singing in church
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or dancing.
Entertaining is what I'vewanted to do my whole life.
I've just always had the nichefor it.
I kind of got it Like, withoutit having to be talked to me
about or taught.
I mean, I learned music, Ilearned how to read music, I
learned how to play instruments,but the thing with it was that
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just was part of my musicaljourney and I realized that
throughout my whole life, theone thing I always had was music
.
Music had a power over me.
That meant more to me than thedemons from my addiction amen,
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that's a beautiful thing rightthere, wow and like um, have you
seen that movie ray about raycharles's life?
yes, of course yes you know Ilove that movie.
I remember when his wife toldhim, ray, they're gonna take
away your music.
You know, like and, andmusician and musician that spoke
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to me.
You know, even though I wasalready sober, even though I
mean man, I'm sitting herecrying to this movie and
everything, because I felt thatpain.
I knew what it was like to detox.
I knew what it was like to gothrough that, and I too did it
without the help of any kind ofmedication, and that is
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something that not a lot ofpeople do.
But that goes back to my dad.
My dad did a cold turkey likethat too, and he told me the
reason that he did it that wayis because that's what always
kept him from going back to it.
So I was like you know and I'mnot saying it's going to be like
that for everybody, everybody,you know, is different, but for
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me that's what I did and that'swhat it took for me to realize
the nature of this piece, thereality of it, by putting myself
through the hell.
Sometimes we have to walk backthrough the flames when we were
welcomed through them the firsttime.
You know what I mean.
And it's not so welcoming whenwe leave.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
That is some serious truth really is.
You have gotten sober now.
You've got your new sobriety.
So I know one thing aboutsobriety is you get your
feelings back, and that's thegood thing, but it's also the
bad thing.
You get your feelings back.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
It's the bad thing?
Yeah, exactly, you take some toknow one.
Huh, yep, it's the bad, exactlyyou take something, no one, huh
, you know, now you gotta feelshit.
You know, yeah, now when stuffhurts.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
yeah, it's like whoa, what a rush sobriety.
Right, it's something else, man, but but you're taking all that
, really the pain, you walkingthrough the feelings that you
have to get through to get thatsobriety.
So you freaking earn it.
You know you get that feelingthat you earned your sobriety.
(15:47):
You didn't take, you know,methadone.
You didn't go into takingwhatever pills they can give you
to ease it off.
You went through it like yourdad did.
And I mean that is some heavy,serious example, power example,
I think they say and that's apowerful example.
Again, you're right about it,not for everybody.
Some people should use themethadone whatever works for
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them.
Right, get them off the shit,get them off, get sober.
And then you follow the stepsand the steps become they are
the steps.
You know you're not taking anelevator and not taking an
escalator.
Yeah, don't take an elevator.
You've got to go up them steps,and you've got to use your body
and walk them up one at a time.
So it's work.
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You're going to feel every stepof it.
Yeah, you can't go to thesecond step.
You can't really do that firstone.
Yeah, you know that that firstone is like the biggest one, you
know, it's like 20 feet high.
It does seem that way.
Why, for me, in my sobriety, II have to practice the first
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step every daily, because if Idon't remind myself of my
powerlessness then I always Ithought you know this crazy mind
of mine.
Because I do have.
You know, some part of thisdisease still runs around in my
head.
All it takes is me to starttaking my power back.
Thinking I control things,thinking I can make, I can make
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them think that I can.
You know anything like that.
And if I start doing that, Istart circling the drain.
It's not long before I'll bedown that drain.
So I can't.
I got to remember to hold on tothat powerlessness that is.
Not only is it hard to do, butit's great to do.
It takes a load off your mind,doesn't it?
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It takes a weight off of youwhen you realize it.
You don't have to.
It's a disease.
You can't control it.
You can't control that beast.
I heard someone say once thatit's like making love to an
elephant or a monster orsomething.
It ain't over until the monstersays it's over.
You know what?
Speaker 2 (17:49):
I mean You're going to get thrown off that
elephant's back a couple timesand stomped on.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
It's a long way down from the thrown off that
elephant's back a couple timesand stopped on.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
It's a long way down for the back of that elephant.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
So I can't imagine what this must've done for your
musical ambition and career.
So you're now sober.
Now what did you start doing?
Does that?
When you said that thiscollaborations with people like
Snoop Dogg and DMX and and those?
Speaker 2 (18:19):
right away.
Um, I didn't know how to getinto music at first, but I
wanted to, so the first thing Iwould do is when, like
practicing my fourth step, youknow I would I'd write it out,
and any time that I write Irhyme, I just do, um, it's
something that you know goesback to my fourth grade.
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My teacher first taught mepoetry because she said you are
an incredible writer, she said,and I, I think that you have a,
a knack for, uh, poetry.
From there, you know, I justcould tell stories and make them
rhyme, even like poem formsthat aren't supposed to rhyme.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
I'd still make them right why don't you give us one
right now?
What was your first one like?
Say, you must have one in yourmind.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
You could tell right now for us um, so the first one
I ever really wrote.
I was 16 and you want me tofreestyle.
Yeah yeah, of course.
Alright, I roll back from thecounty fair Smoking on my last
square as I transform back intoa bear to approach my house.
I went no more.
When I opened the door I ranthis mouse someone.
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I got back from getting acouple mouse traps for storage.
I was sitting at the tableunable to see any forage.
In my living room was a stair.
There was a broken chair, but Iwas tired and I had to munch.
He saw us and went upstairs I'mlooking for my new porch shorts
in a box and lying on my bedwith goalie locks.
I thought for a second.
I know that bitch from class,but she was butt naked so I
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f***ed her.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Okay, well, we might bleep that one.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
I mean, it's pretty appropriate for a 16 year old,
you know yeah we'll have to puta parental advisory on this
episode but yeah, it just wasfunny, stuff like that, but it
would get me kicked out ofschool, right obvious for
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obvious reasons for school.
But man, the, my classmates andeverybody loved it though
they'd be like oh man, that'sgreat stuff, you know, and
they're like, why don't youwrite more?
and I never really did, you know.
I was like you know what I mean?
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Like it just has to come to me.
And then I remember at my buddylarry's 17th birthday, we were
getting drunk and he um and andhe raps and he disses people and
he uses the same set of eightbars for everybody.
But one time, if he's going todiss you, he'll put your name.
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He's going to diss me, he'llput my name in.
And most people don't know howto rap.
So, you know, it wasn't likethey would just rap back.
Well, because I had such, youknow, because I knew how to
rhyme words and stuff like that,I had already heard that this
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is what he does.
And I remember asking the guy,hey, does he have any other
rhymes than just that one?
Because I've never heard himsay any other one.
So I thought, well, if we canget to a second round, we can
see what this guy's made of.
So I rapped back.
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You know we were rapping overbeats on the radio and you know
what I mean.
And I just, man, I was owningthis guy.
I was talking about how, hey,man, I'm going to make you eat
those words because that's allyou got, you know.
And I called his bluff and,sure enough, he choked the
second round and I won.
So from that moment right there,I was like wow, like I think I
really got a talent for this,you know, because I can come up
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with multiple different things,from, obviously, a parody of
Goldilocks and the Three Bearsto whatever else you know.
And, yeah, I would begin byfreestyling and just trying to,
you know, get the momentum goingand play with words and stuff
like that.
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Oh man, this is good and just,I just began to write and I
realized that I was limited onmy vocabulary.
So I actually became a securityguard for an entertainment
company called Star BrightEntertainment there in Detroit,
and while I was there I got tomeet a number of different
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upcoming artists, producers,things like that.
And somebody was talking to meone time and they said why don't
you ever go to the studio?
And I said I don't really havethe money to afford a studio.
He goes, you know't you ever goto the studio?
And I said I don't really havethe money to afford a studio.
He goes, you know, you can goto school and learn music
production.
Now, mind you, this is fastforward to when I was sober.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
Yep, yep, of course, when I was working for the
entertainment company.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
I was about, oh, about three years sober at this
time and he gave me a CD and Ilooked on the back of it and I
seen he produced this on thereand I was impressed.
I mean, the music was great,the songs, the lyrics, like oh
my God.
I was like, wow, I want tolearn how to do this.
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He said.
The thing is, if I'm going toteach you, it's going to cost
you money.
He goes, but the power ofeducation, remember now, it's
just, he said, if you get to goto school for it, you can learn
to do it yourself.
And if you learn to do ityourself, then you can charge
people to do it.
You don't got to pay him to doit.
(24:05):
And I'm like, man, that is somereally good advice.
So I, I did, I went back toschool, I wanted to get my, my
high school diploma and, um, Istarted studying for my GED and
in 2011, I did just that.
I went and I got my gd.
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My daughter was born that sameyear and my, my ex-wife, was, uh
, pregnant with her, and Iremember thinking to myself back
to my childhood.
I'm here, my dad didn't evenhave a college education,
telling me to get an education.
You know, it's kind of like himwith a cigarette in his hand
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telling me not to smoke.
I'm not going to listen to it.
Monkey see, monkey do.
You know, at this point in mylife I thought this is a chance
to kind of break a cycle hereand be the first one of my mom's
kids to go to college.
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And be the first one of mymom's kids to go to college.
And I scored high enough on myGED that I was accepted into
Full Sail University for musicproduction.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Wow, that's a beautiful thing, One of the
fruits of sobriety, for sure.
So you came out of school.
Now what's going on next?
When did you find yourself withsomeone like snoop dogg in the
studio?
Speaker 2 (25:28):
so it was a long journey it was.
I first began producing my ownbeats and realized I really
didn't know what I was doing andfake it to you.
I was trying to put it outthere on youtube stuff like that
, just trying to get it outthere.
First song I had flop bad, Igot laughed at, I got everything
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.
So I got angry, you know, I madethe second one called
argumentative and, man, this oneshut them all up.
Okay, then I realized then thatI had heavy influence and that
people were listening.
Even if it's something thatthey didn't like hearing, they
were affected by it.
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And that's when I learned thatmy words really have power and I
started to go from this artistwho would just freestyle over
beats to show my differentvocabulary and my cadences and
rhythm patterns, things likethat, you know.
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And I finally got onto wu-tangradio and it was the song that
was about my first battle andit's called gotta be famous, the
carrot.
I remember one bar was likebecause the guy's name is larry
right, and I was like I remembertelling larry pikachu he took
(26:52):
too many pikachus, and you knowthose are, uh, they're actually
a form of molly or ecstasy, andso let's just say, hey, man, you
must have took one too many,because, you know, here you are
thinking that you stand a chanceagainst me.
And I remember another bar inthere said something about I
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hope you love alphabet soup,because that's a lot of words to
be eaten you know, I love it, Ilove it, so you know.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
So let's go forward to today.
We're getting kind of near ourending, so I want us us to kind
of get where you are now and setup your new coming album.
That's your new album, that'scoming.
Can you set that up for us?
How's that come about?
Like, what's going on with that?
Speaker 2 (27:39):
So fast forwarding to .
I took like a four year breakbetween 2014, 2018.
And I released the single trackcalled see no evil and it
features zag johns, who is thecousin of stevie stone.
Stevie stone works with uh orwork at the time was with uh
(28:03):
strange music which is uh techne.
And so knowing that my musicwas being out there and getting
heard by these guys, and thenthey heard my verse and they go
wait, who is that?
And that was the first time, Iguess, they ever looked at me.
But I didn't know it until 2023, when I got to work with Snoop
(28:26):
Dogg.
Oh so that was like two yearsago, two years ago, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
So what was that?
Speaker 2 (28:31):
that was when stevie did um get that collaboration
track with snoop dogg and he hadan open bird and you know, he
had uh, he had my buddy reachout to me and say, hey, you know
that Stevie's my cousin, right?
I'm like, no, I did not knowthat, but there are many times
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I've helped this man throughdifferent darknesses in his life
and it's because of that that Iguess Stevie decided okay,
that's the deciding factor.
I most definitely want to workwith this guy.
And they asked me my price andwhat I would charge to be on
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that track, and that was thefirst time I ever really had
been given a big offer like that.
At this time I had been workingfor Solomon Childs and Wu-Tang
for about a year, year and ahalf.
I began doing that in 2022.
He heard a song.
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The Worldwide Collaboration is apartner of mine and one of
their promoters showed him thissong that I that I produced and
wrote the lyrics to.
I didn't perform the lyrics,but I wrote them and solomon
childs was deeply impressed andthat is when I put out my album
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chess moves, and that one has alot of big features Run DMC,
solomon Childs himself just KingCrooked.
King Crooked signed with Eminemand it's just, it's just so
crazy how it just kind of likehappened overnight.
(30:24):
It went from here I amindependently working, just
trying to build my name andbrand and craft to boom.
Here's somebody taking me undertheir wing and saying hey, I
see you, I see you're aboutsobriety, I see you're about
this man and I love that I thinkthat's a wonderful thing.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
You know, before we thought that we brought it.
We brought you up to thepresent so that people could see
this journey was amazing, andwe come into this wonderful
climax and Sony, and really thisclimax is only the beginning.
For you, it's just starting,you know.
So this new album you've gotcoming out, why don't we think
of something If you can think ofeven one or two lines from the
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new album that we can leave ourlisteners with something
uplifting, something, somethingyou can think of, that you think
would like project what you'resaying sobriety and all that in
the song to reunite is to mykids and it is a clean cut song
all the way through.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
It's even available on YouTube, kids.
But I'm sitting there saying Iknow your mom won't let you
respond to my letter, so I'msending you this song To let
them know that I still love them, miss them, I care about them.
I definitely haven't forgotten,because that is what it took
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for me to be able to crawl outof this dark place that I last
was in.
And that's what the song wastalking about is that I'm not
going to stop until we reuniteback together again.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
Wow, I love it so much.
Zenobia, you are such aninspiration and I know their
work is going to go on and keepthat inspiration going.
So maybe by the time we airthis, we can maybe put a link to
anything at the end for peoplewho can download, buy whatnot
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because you should.
I mean, this is some reallypowerful stuff.
If you're listening, just thankyou so much for joining us
today, Sonobio, and you knowyou're in the Art of the Blue
family, so you're going to behearing from us again and again,
and again.
You'll probably get sick of us,but, but we will be back in
touch, especially when we getready to go live thank you,
thank you.
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Thank you so much, man, forsharing your story it's really
beautiful.
Yeah, thank you, I'm glad youI'm glad you are where you are
now, you know you do.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
And like he said, you know, it's just the beginning.
You know, from here I'm stillgoing up.
Man, god isn.
God isn't finished with me.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
Awesome.
What a great place to end.
All right, thank you so much,zenobia.
Thank you everyone for joiningus on this amazing episode of
Out of the Blue with ZenobiaRios, the hair trigger, and you
got to get his new album comingout soon and get his other album
too.
While you're at it, and awesometo talk to you today and so
nice to meet you and this isVernon from Out of the Blue,
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with my son, vernon West III, onco-hosting, and the amazingly
talented, amazingly gifted,profound and great writer,
sinobio Hantriga Rios.
Thank everybody for joining uson Out of the Blue.
See you again next time.
Out of the Blue, the podcastHosted by me, vernon West,
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Welcome back to Out of the Blue, the podcast where
real people share real storiesof resilience, transformation
and the power of the humanspirit.
I'm your host, vernon West, andjoining me today is my son and
co-host, vernon West III, agifted musician who created our
logo and theme song.
Today's guest is a man whoselife reads like a movie, one
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filled with pain, purpose and anincredible comeback.
His name is Sinobio Rios II,but in the music world, he's
known as the hair trigger.
Diagnosed with autism and ADHDat age five, sinobio struggled
through addiction, homelessnessand deep personal loss, but
(01:06):
through all of it, one thingkept him going music.
Rap became his lifeline, hisanti-drug, and it led him from
the streets to the studio andultimately to sobriety.
This past March, he celebrated19 years clean March.
He celebrated 19 years cleanToday.
He's collaborated with legendslike Snoop Dogg, stevie Stone,
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lazy Bone, bizarre and the lateDMX, and his highly anticipated
album Journey of my Darknessdropped September 30th 2025.
His story is raw, real and apowerful reminder that, no
matter how far you fall,redemption is always within
reach.
Let's welcome the hair trigger,sinobio Rios.
Hi, sinobio, how are you doing?
Speaker 2 (01:57):
I'm doing.
Great Thanks for having me.
How are you?
Speaker 1 (01:59):
So great Myself, good to see you, nice to meet you.
And yeah, where we usuallystart is the first thing we ask
is basically what would you sayis the eye of the blue event
that, had it not happened, youwould not be here today, if I
(02:20):
didn't ever got sober, none ofthis would be possible.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
That's beautiful, I most definitely.
Sobriety was definitely acornerstone.
I was going down such a darkroad I.
I had to do something, and thething is, you know, growing up
my father also struggled withhis own sobriety, but he got
(02:43):
sober off of heroin, and Iremember him telling me about
how he got clean, and you knowhow important it was for him to
set that example for us.
He may not have been perfect,but he did do that much for me,
(03:06):
and so when I started going downthat same rabbit hole and I
noticed what heroin was, it was,you know, I got tricked into
doing it a couple times orwhatever.
Never really got addicted to itthough, because that was the
one thing my dad drilled in myhead was never get on that stuff
.
And that's when I realizedwhere I was at was the bottom,
(03:27):
you know.
That's when I realized like,hey, man, this is taking over my
life, and it's like I wasn'teven in control, you know, I
just would go on autopilot, andit just took over and the beast
drove the bus, you know, andit's like at what point did I
(03:50):
get to that?
To where I no longer had thatcontrol, and that scared the
shit out of me.
Wow the moment of truth.
It did.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
It was a moment of truth.
It scared me straight, you know.
It scared me to want to getstraight.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Wow, the moment of truth.
It did.
It was a moment of truth.
It scared me, straight, youknow.
It scared me to want to getstraight.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Right.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
I had tried a couple of times on my own to get clean,
you know, and I would.
I would go maybe a month, twomonths, relapse Dang.
You know what am I doing wrong?
I started going to meetings andit took me going ahead and
checking myself into a rehab.
I remember the intake workersaying did you want outpatient
(04:33):
or inpatient treatment?
I said, if you give meoutpatient treatment, I'm going
to go home and still do thisstuff.
The point is that I need to getoff this stuff.
You need to lock me up in aplace where I can't do it.
Give me a good, honest shot.
Give myself that honest shot.
You know, and it's crazy howsometimes, when we're lost in
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our journeys, we stumble uponthe greatest thought and never
even realize it.
We realize that we really areturning out for help and that at
some point it no longerband-aids or medicates that void
.
That void has become too bigand too deep and shallow at the
(05:20):
same time, and it's like thatmoment sometimes doesn't scare
people straight.
We have a lot of people who diefrom addiction every day.
It's that truth of it, thenature of the beast.
Some people only do it one timeand end up dying.
I'm very fortunate that thatdidn't happen to me.
(05:42):
I never did overdose oranything like that, but it was
the police, the police.
I was in the backwoods and Iwas getting hot and this cop had
his spotlight on me and Irealized I couldn't quit hitting
that stupid pipe, even with thecop watching me.
And that's when I realized likewow, this is really taking over
(06:08):
.
You know, I no longer had thepower of my own choice over my
own body and it made me feelviolated in a way, you know,
like self violated, like how canI let myself down like that?
And I just remember praying andI'm just like god, please help
(06:31):
god, please help me, but I knowgoing to jail isn't gonna help
me.
It's gonna hurt, okay, and?
that cop went one way, I'm right, yeah, and I went to my mom's
house and I went to my mom'shouse and at first I was just
trying to get more money to gethigh and she had a police
(06:53):
scanner.
She knew the police were lookingfor me, they knew who I was and
I'm just like man, so she justkind of was just watching me,
you know, and then she just wassaying the right things to make
me realize she already knew thetruth and there was nothing left
(07:18):
for me to do but admit it and Ihad to admit to myself that my
life had become unmanageablecompletely and I had no power,
not only over the substance butover myself, because, like I
said, she had had a year soberaround a year sober, I remember
(07:42):
that and so she had been workingthe steps, so she knew how it
worked and so she was able toinfluence me in a way that
allowed me to admit my ownpowerlessness.
Once I did that, I hit my knees,I cried out to God with tears
(08:05):
in my eyes and everything, and Irealized that I had hit that
bottom, you know.
And good thing my parentstaught me against drugs and all
that at a young age, becausethat's what it all goes back to
is our childhood, our roots,believe it or not, and in that
(08:29):
moment I was centered in thatmoment and I realized it was now
or never.
It was now or never and that'swhere I believe that miracles
stem from is when we align ourconsciousness, our spirituality
and our mindset into the presentmoment.
That is when we begin to stepout of darkness.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
That's being here now .
That's what that is.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
The here and now.
There's a book by Eckhart Tollecalled the Power of Now.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
I read it every night , it's a good book.
Have you read it?
I read it every night.
I have it on Audible.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Heck, yeah, I go to bed listening to it.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Yeah, me too.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
I think self-help books are another great way.
You know there are freeaudiobooks on YouTube too.
You can get audiobooks if youneed to, if you can't get to a
library.
If you are like me and I'mdyslexic and reading, I don't
comprehend it, but if it's on anaudiobook, it's good.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Me too.
I'm not dyslexic, but I justfall asleep when I'm reading.
It's really terrible.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
That's how I get too.
Yeah, I'll fall asleepSometimes.
I got to reread it severaltimes.
I'll read the same page for anhour, yeah exactly that's where
I'm like I'd rather just listento it, because when somebody
talks, I receive the informationbetter I'm able to.
I'd rather just listen to it,because when somebody talks I
receive the information better,I'm able to process it better.
(10:02):
And that has to go back to myautism, you know.
And the thing with that is islike that's why I'm in this
field, that's why I'm like I gotto be a musician, because I
know there are others out therejust like who maybe can't get
that information through a book.
They have to have lived it tofeel this.
(10:24):
And those are my people.
Those are the people I'mreaching out to today and I'm
hoping to help influence andimpact their lives, whether
they're still in that dark placeor not.
Whether people are Christian ornot, I like are Christian or
not, I like the example of Jesus.
I'll leave it at that.
The one thing that he did washe sat with the sinners, he sat
(10:49):
with the drunkards, he sat withthe whores.
He went into that dark place toshow you the way to the light.
I feel that that is one thingthat Journey in my Darkness
really is about.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
So, nobio, this is such a powerful story and very
much needed for people to hearthis.
You could be helping somebodyright now just by talking about
this stuff.
Really, I mean what a series ofwonderful out-of-the-blue
events.
Really.
Your mom got sober a yearbefore.
Really, I mean what a series ofwonderful out of the blue
events.
Really, your mom got sober ayear before and was already had
a year end sobriety.
(11:25):
And you come to her and she'sright there.
She knows you're ready and shesays it's.
She gets you the detox andyou're in the detox Now.
From there, you met this guythat really helped you.
That's what we want to pick upfrom there.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
So his name is Lee and he had nine years clean off
crack.
And this guy, I mean he dressedin the best suits and
everything.
And I even asked him I said howdo you got money to do all that
?
And he said I'm not giving mymoney to the Deltman, no more.
Yep, you know how do you gotmoney to do all that and he said
I'm not giving my money to thedope man, no more.
(12:02):
Yep, you know.
And um one thing he would dohe'd wake us up at six o'clock
every morning.
We'd go up in front of themirror and he'd play that song
by michael jackson, called theman in the mirror, great song he
needed us study the lyrics ofit.
He made us, you know, write apaper on it of what it meant to
(12:24):
us, and that's where I beganreally wanting to change my life
.
I really looked up to MichaelJackson as an artist, especially
as a child.
I learned how to do themoonwalk and everything, and I
to do the moonwalk andeverything, and I used to dance
for people and everything,whether it be singing in church
(12:47):
or dancing.
Entertaining is what I'vewanted to do my whole life.
I've just always had the nichefor it.
I kind of got it Like, withoutit having to be talked to me
about or taught.
I mean, I learned music, Ilearned how to read music, I
learned how to play instruments,but the thing with it was that
(13:08):
just was part of my musicaljourney and I realized that
throughout my whole life, theone thing I always had was music
.
Music had a power over me.
That meant more to me than thedemons from my addiction amen,
(13:28):
that's a beautiful thing rightthere, wow and like um, have you
seen that movie ray about raycharles's life?
yes, of course yes you know Ilove that movie.
I remember when his wife toldhim, ray, they're gonna take
away your music.
You know, like and, andmusician and musician that spoke
(13:52):
to me.
You know, even though I wasalready sober, even though I
mean man, I'm sitting herecrying to this movie and
everything, because I felt thatpain.
I knew what it was like to detox.
I knew what it was like to gothrough that, and I too did it
without the help of any kind ofmedication, and that is
(14:15):
something that not a lot ofpeople do.
But that goes back to my dad.
My dad did a cold turkey likethat too, and he told me the
reason that he did it that wayis because that's what always
kept him from going back to it.
So I was like you know and I'mnot saying it's going to be like
that for everybody, everybody,you know, is different, but for
(14:37):
me that's what I did and that'swhat it took for me to realize
the nature of this piece, thereality of it, by putting myself
through the hell.
Sometimes we have to walk backthrough the flames when we were
welcomed through them the firsttime.
You know what I mean.
And it's not so welcoming whenwe leave.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
That is some serious truth really is.
You have gotten sober now.
You've got your new sobriety.
So I know one thing aboutsobriety is you get your
feelings back, and that's thegood thing, but it's also the
bad thing.
You get your feelings back.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
It's the bad thing?
Yeah, exactly, you take some toknow one.
Huh, yep, it's the bad, exactlyyou take something, no one, huh
, you know, now you gotta feelshit.
You know, yeah, now when stuffhurts.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
yeah, it's like whoa, what a rush sobriety.
Right, it's something else, man, but but you're taking all that
, really the pain, you walkingthrough the feelings that you
have to get through to get thatsobriety.
So you freaking earn it.
You know you get that feelingthat you earned your sobriety.
(15:47):
You didn't take, you know,methadone.
You didn't go into takingwhatever pills they can give you
to ease it off.
You went through it like yourdad did.
And I mean that is some heavy,serious example, power example,
I think they say and that's apowerful example.
Again, you're right about it,not for everybody.
Some people should use themethadone whatever works for
(16:08):
them.
Right, get them off the shit,get them off, get sober.
And then you follow the stepsand the steps become they are
the steps.
You know you're not taking anelevator and not taking an
escalator.
Yeah, don't take an elevator.
You've got to go up them steps,and you've got to use your body
and walk them up one at a time.
So it's work.
(16:29):
You're going to feel every stepof it.
Yeah, you can't go to thesecond step.
You can't really do that firstone.
Yeah, you know that that firstone is like the biggest one, you
know, it's like 20 feet high.
It does seem that way.
Why, for me, in my sobriety, II have to practice the first
(16:50):
step every daily, because if Idon't remind myself of my
powerlessness then I always Ithought you know this crazy mind
of mine.
Because I do have.
You know, some part of thisdisease still runs around in my
head.
All it takes is me to starttaking my power back.
Thinking I control things,thinking I can make, I can make
(17:10):
them think that I can.
You know anything like that.
And if I start doing that, Istart circling the drain.
It's not long before I'll bedown that drain.
So I can't.
I got to remember to hold on tothat powerlessness that is.
Not only is it hard to do, butit's great to do.
It takes a load off your mind,doesn't it?
(17:31):
It takes a weight off of youwhen you realize it.
You don't have to.
It's a disease.
You can't control it.
You can't control that beast.
I heard someone say once thatit's like making love to an
elephant or a monster orsomething.
It ain't over until the monstersays it's over.
You know what?
Speaker 2 (17:49):
I mean You're going to get thrown off that
elephant's back a couple timesand stomped on.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
It's a long way down from the thrown off that
elephant's back a couple timesand stopped on.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
It's a long way down for the back of that elephant.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
So I can't imagine what this must've done for your
musical ambition and career.
So you're now sober.
Now what did you start doing?
Does that?
When you said that thiscollaborations with people like
Snoop Dogg and DMX and and those?
Speaker 2 (18:19):
right away.
Um, I didn't know how to getinto music at first, but I
wanted to, so the first thing Iwould do is when, like
practicing my fourth step, youknow I would I'd write it out,
and any time that I write Irhyme, I just do, um, it's
something that you know goesback to my fourth grade.
(18:42):
My teacher first taught mepoetry because she said you are
an incredible writer, she said,and I, I think that you have a,
a knack for, uh, poetry.
From there, you know, I justcould tell stories and make them
rhyme, even like poem formsthat aren't supposed to rhyme.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
I'd still make them right why don't you give us one
right now?
What was your first one like?
Say, you must have one in yourmind.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
You could tell right now for us um, so the first one
I ever really wrote.
I was 16 and you want me tofreestyle.
Yeah yeah, of course.
Alright, I roll back from thecounty fair Smoking on my last
square as I transform back intoa bear to approach my house.
I went no more.
When I opened the door I ranthis mouse someone.
(19:30):
I got back from getting acouple mouse traps for storage.
I was sitting at the tableunable to see any forage.
In my living room was a stair.
There was a broken chair, but Iwas tired and I had to munch.
He saw us and went upstairs I'mlooking for my new porch shorts
in a box and lying on my bedwith goalie locks.
I thought for a second.
I know that bitch from class,but she was butt naked so I
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f***ed her.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Okay, well, we might bleep that one.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
I mean, it's pretty appropriate for a 16 year old,
you know yeah we'll have to puta parental advisory on this
episode but yeah, it just wasfunny, stuff like that, but it
would get me kicked out ofschool, right obvious for
(20:21):
obvious reasons for school.
But man, the, my classmates andeverybody loved it though
they'd be like oh man, that'sgreat stuff, you know, and
they're like, why don't youwrite more?
and I never really did, you know.
I was like you know what I mean?
(20:42):
Like it just has to come to me.
And then I remember at my buddylarry's 17th birthday, we were
getting drunk and he um and andhe raps and he disses people and
he uses the same set of eightbars for everybody.
But one time, if he's going todiss you, he'll put your name.
(21:04):
He's going to diss me, he'llput my name in.
And most people don't know howto rap.
So, you know, it wasn't likethey would just rap back.
Well, because I had such, youknow, because I knew how to
rhyme words and stuff like that,I had already heard that this
(21:25):
is what he does.
And I remember asking the guy,hey, does he have any other
rhymes than just that one?
Because I've never heard himsay any other one.
So I thought, well, if we canget to a second round, we can
see what this guy's made of.
So I rapped back.
(21:47):
You know we were rapping overbeats on the radio and you know
what I mean.
And I just, man, I was owningthis guy.
I was talking about how, hey,man, I'm going to make you eat
those words because that's allyou got, you know.
And I called his bluff and,sure enough, he choked the
second round and I won.
So from that moment right there,I was like wow, like I think I
really got a talent for this,you know, because I can come up
(22:11):
with multiple different things,from, obviously, a parody of
Goldilocks and the Three Bearsto whatever else you know.
And, yeah, I would begin byfreestyling and just trying to,
you know, get the momentum goingand play with words and stuff
like that.
(22:32):
Oh man, this is good and just,I just began to write and I
realized that I was limited onmy vocabulary.
So I actually became a securityguard for an entertainment
company called Star BrightEntertainment there in Detroit,
and while I was there I got tomeet a number of different
(22:54):
upcoming artists, producers,things like that.
And somebody was talking to meone time and they said why don't
you ever go to the studio?
And I said I don't really havethe money to afford a studio.
He goes, you know't you ever goto the studio?
And I said I don't really havethe money to afford a studio.
He goes, you know, you can goto school and learn music
production.
Now, mind you, this is fastforward to when I was sober.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
Yep, yep, of course, when I was working for the
entertainment company.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
I was about, oh, about three years sober at this
time and he gave me a CD and Ilooked on the back of it and I
seen he produced this on thereand I was impressed.
I mean, the music was great,the songs, the lyrics, like oh
my God.
I was like, wow, I want tolearn how to do this.
(23:44):
He said.
The thing is, if I'm going toteach you, it's going to cost
you money.
He goes, but the power ofeducation, remember now, it's
just, he said, if you get to goto school for it, you can learn
to do it yourself.
And if you learn to do ityourself, then you can charge
people to do it.
You don't got to pay him to doit.
(24:05):
And I'm like, man, that is somereally good advice.
So I, I did, I went back toschool, I wanted to get my, my
high school diploma and, um, Istarted studying for my GED and
in 2011, I did just that.
I went and I got my gd.
(24:26):
My daughter was born that sameyear and my, my ex-wife, was, uh
, pregnant with her, and Iremember thinking to myself back
to my childhood.
I'm here, my dad didn't evenhave a college education,
telling me to get an education.
You know, it's kind of like himwith a cigarette in his hand
(24:46):
telling me not to smoke.
I'm not going to listen to it.
Monkey see, monkey do.
You know, at this point in mylife I thought this is a chance
to kind of break a cycle hereand be the first one of my mom's
kids to go to college.
(25:06):
And be the first one of mymom's kids to go to college.
And I scored high enough on myGED that I was accepted into
Full Sail University for musicproduction.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Wow, that's a beautiful thing, One of the
fruits of sobriety, for sure.
So you came out of school.
Now what's going on next?
When did you find yourself withsomeone like snoop dogg in the
studio?
Speaker 2 (25:28):
so it was a long journey it was.
I first began producing my ownbeats and realized I really
didn't know what I was doing andfake it to you.
I was trying to put it outthere on youtube stuff like that
, just trying to get it outthere.
First song I had flop bad, Igot laughed at, I got everything
(25:51):
.
So I got angry, you know, I madethe second one called
argumentative and, man, this oneshut them all up.
Okay, then I realized then thatI had heavy influence and that
people were listening.
Even if it's something thatthey didn't like hearing, they
were affected by it.
(26:11):
And that's when I learned thatmy words really have power and I
started to go from this artistwho would just freestyle over
beats to show my differentvocabulary and my cadences and
rhythm patterns, things likethat, you know.
(26:32):
And I finally got onto wu-tangradio and it was the song that
was about my first battle andit's called gotta be famous, the
carrot.
I remember one bar was likebecause the guy's name is larry
right, and I was like I remembertelling larry pikachu he took
(26:52):
too many pikachus, and you knowthose are, uh, they're actually
a form of molly or ecstasy, andso let's just say, hey, man, you
must have took one too many,because, you know, here you are
thinking that you stand a chanceagainst me.
And I remember another bar inthere said something about I
(27:13):
hope you love alphabet soup,because that's a lot of words to
be eaten you know, I love it, Ilove it, so you know.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
So let's go forward to today.
We're getting kind of near ourending, so I want us us to kind
of get where you are now and setup your new coming album.
That's your new album, that'scoming.
Can you set that up for us?
How's that come about?
Like, what's going on with that?
Speaker 2 (27:39):
So fast forwarding to .
I took like a four year breakbetween 2014, 2018.
And I released the single trackcalled see no evil and it
features zag johns, who is thecousin of stevie stone.
Stevie stone works with uh orwork at the time was with uh
(28:03):
strange music which is uh techne.
And so knowing that my musicwas being out there and getting
heard by these guys, and thenthey heard my verse and they go
wait, who is that?
And that was the first time, Iguess, they ever looked at me.
But I didn't know it until 2023, when I got to work with Snoop
(28:26):
Dogg.
Oh so that was like two yearsago, two years ago, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
So what was that?
Speaker 2 (28:31):
that was when stevie did um get that collaboration
track with snoop dogg and he hadan open bird and you know, he
had uh, he had my buddy reachout to me and say, hey, you know
that Stevie's my cousin, right?
I'm like, no, I did not knowthat, but there are many times
(28:55):
I've helped this man throughdifferent darknesses in his life
and it's because of that that Iguess Stevie decided okay,
that's the deciding factor.
I most definitely want to workwith this guy.
And they asked me my price andwhat I would charge to be on
(29:18):
that track, and that was thefirst time I ever really had
been given a big offer like that.
At this time I had been workingfor Solomon Childs and Wu-Tang
for about a year, year and ahalf.
I began doing that in 2022.
He heard a song.
(29:39):
The Worldwide Collaboration is apartner of mine and one of
their promoters showed him thissong that I that I produced and
wrote the lyrics to.
I didn't perform the lyrics,but I wrote them and solomon
childs was deeply impressed andthat is when I put out my album
(30:03):
chess moves, and that one has alot of big features Run DMC,
solomon Childs himself just KingCrooked.
King Crooked signed with Eminemand it's just, it's just so
crazy how it just kind of likehappened overnight.
(30:24):
It went from here I amindependently working, just
trying to build my name andbrand and craft to boom.
Here's somebody taking me undertheir wing and saying hey, I
see you, I see you're aboutsobriety, I see you're about
this man and I love that I thinkthat's a wonderful thing.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
You know, before we thought that we brought it.
We brought you up to thepresent so that people could see
this journey was amazing, andwe come into this wonderful
climax and Sony, and really thisclimax is only the beginning.
For you, it's just starting,you know.
So this new album you've gotcoming out, why don't we think
of something If you can think ofeven one or two lines from the
(31:11):
new album that we can leave ourlisteners with something
uplifting, something, somethingyou can think of, that you think
would like project what you'resaying sobriety and all that in
the song to reunite is to mykids and it is a clean cut song
all the way through.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
It's even available on YouTube, kids.
But I'm sitting there saying Iknow your mom won't let you
respond to my letter, so I'msending you this song To let
them know that I still love them, miss them, I care about them.
I definitely haven't forgotten,because that is what it took
(31:57):
for me to be able to crawl outof this dark place that I last
was in.
And that's what the song wastalking about is that I'm not
going to stop until we reuniteback together again.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
Wow, I love it so much.
Zenobia, you are such aninspiration and I know their
work is going to go on and keepthat inspiration going.
So maybe by the time we airthis, we can maybe put a link to
anything at the end for peoplewho can download, buy whatnot
(32:32):
because you should.
I mean, this is some reallypowerful stuff.
If you're listening, just thankyou so much for joining us
today, Sonobio, and you knowyou're in the Art of the Blue
family, so you're going to behearing from us again and again,
and again.
You'll probably get sick of us,but, but we will be back in
touch, especially when we getready to go live thank you,
thank you.
(32:52):
Thank you so much, man, forsharing your story it's really
beautiful.
Yeah, thank you, I'm glad youI'm glad you are where you are
now, you know you do.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
And like he said, you know, it's just the beginning.
You know, from here I'm stillgoing up.
Man, god isn.
God isn't finished with me.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
Awesome.
What a great place to end.
All right, thank you so much,zenobia.
Thank you everyone for joiningus on this amazing episode of
Out of the Blue with ZenobiaRios, the hair trigger, and you
got to get his new album comingout soon and get his other album
too.
While you're at it, and awesometo talk to you today and so
nice to meet you and this isVernon from Out of the Blue,
(33:31):
with my son, vernon West III, onco-hosting, and the amazingly
talented, amazingly gifted,profound and great writer,
sinobio Hantriga Rios.
Thank everybody for joining uson Out of the Blue.
See you again next time.
Out of the Blue, the podcastHosted by me, vernon West,
(34:01):
co-hosted by Vernon West III,edited by Joe Gallo Music and
logo by Vernon West III.
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